I didn't know about this change of direction for peppermint, as I first downloaded this OS 5 days ago to install on an old 2009 samsung laptop. Every other OS has a ton of issues, I tried arch with xfce, Ubuntu 64 and 32 bit, linux mint, AntiX linux, the laptop would boot in minutes for each of these, and was very laggy, except AntiX, it's so lightweight that it had no issue with lag, but without exception they all had the weird issue where the text would flicker, letters would disappear, graphical elements woulkd just vanish, become black boxes, etc. Then I installed this specific version of Peppermint and it works like a charm, no issues whatsoever, it boots in 30 seconds instead of 4 minutes, opening a program (EVEN CHROMIUM) takes 3 seconds after boot and less than a second after that. Installing flatpak with flathub works perfectly, the apps appear in the system menu correctly. From my point of view this OS is a godsent, but I have no idea how it was before so I can't really talk. Maybe they shouldve just forked the project and named this something else. I can use bluetooth, I can use my sonos, chromecast to my tv, my printer worked perfectly first try, I even install steam to play some good old Duke3D. What more could I ask for?
Yeah its like a group of old men sitting around complaining, LOL 😆 Most of the time they spout misinformation about the history of Peppermint 🤣 none the less it is cool it works well for you.
Just coming back to Linux after several years away. Agree with your points, but I still selected Peppermint to obtain a stripped down Debian 12 with a XFCE desktop where I can install exactly the apps I am interested in. Firefox installed from their welcome screen quickly and smoothly. They made it very clear on their web page that no browser was installed. My alternative was the Debian XFCE image and then strip out all the items I did not want - would be the same thing in the end accomplished from the other direction. After some more OS trials, I shifted to MX Linux Xfce for their extensive tool set although the PM default menu is exactly the look I was going for.
When checking for RAM used on a clod boot, it's best to run HTOP in a terminal. That included task manager on Xfce does add a fair amount to the Used RAM Total. At least, that's been my experience with Mint, Ubuntu and Manjaro, all on Xfce. FWIW. I applaud what the Peppermint team is doing, remaking a beloved distro is no easy feat and is fraught with missteps, but I am confident they will get there in time with a coherent expression of Pepp that would have made Mr. Greaves smile. Kudos to you folks.
I actually liked the newer version of peppermint. However, I think it needs a defined software center! Plus, the peppermint team should think about other DE's as wayland improves.
The Web Browser is " Debian Sensible Browser" which uses Vim keys for navigation. It show lots of Developer only choices all over it. Vim Yes, no nano. I have netbook like machine. This will be a great start for that machine. It save me from building from a bare server installation of Debian. It is more of a kit car Distro. The user has to bolt it together to their personal taste. It can see it used in VMs. One would remove excess stuff and clone the remaining system This id not your average ready to run Distro. It is more a Distdo Kit each user must finish themselves.
5:10 Feren OS has Web Browser Manager... for now. As of Feren OS 2023.07, this tool has been retired in favour of providing a category in the release's all-new Store rewrite that lets you choose from even more browsers than Web Browser Manager allowed you to. *Note that this will only be available for testing as of Beta 2, and that at the time of writing Feren OS 2023.04 is the latest release.* As it stands right now, the Web Browser Manager will live on in the upcoming Bodhi Linux release, and was featured in Peppermint 10 Respin too, and as mentioned will live on in spirit in Feren OS's new Store application.
i liked alot of the older features of peppermint , it was slick fast and stable, some of the changes they made have taken it from excellent to somewhat jank ,i imagine when the original developer passed away some of the things just existed in his head and those taking over had to make sense of everything , hopefully they find their footing and improve things peppermint of 2019 was excellent
I recently tried Peppermint and I concur with everything you mentioned. Lightweight yes, good for new users no. After testing many distros on my test machine it is well below par, but no where near as bad as Elementary OS.
I tried this new version. For a light weight distro it was just fine. I found the reviewer poking around forever looking for a software manager with just using synaptic first was very tiring. Also the reviewer keeps banging on about new Linux users. Well, Peppermint OS documentation says the OS 'provides a user with the opportunity to build the system that best fits their needs.' Nothing is mentioned by Peppermint OS that this distro is for new Linux users.
I liked the old version and used it on older hardware. Of course they changed the direction, but to be honest I like the new version too. Actually I use it now on my main desktop and I am quite happy with it. They offer a (nicely themed) nearly vanilla Debian and added some basic tools. For me it is a great base to build up your individual desktop (i.e. using only flatpaks or snaps). They are certainly still looking for their direction and there are still several bugs in the system, but I personally like the approach.
I've said before and I'll say it again. This is not the peppermint OS I fell in love with. It's probably for the best they ditched the candy logo because it has nothing in common with the old Peppermint anymore. I wish the team the best but I am moving on and have found other distros to fill the void my first Linux love once held. 😢
I completely agree. But going a step further, I think that if you're going to use Debian, you should just use Debian. Debian includes drivers now, and it is quite user friendly depending on which desktop you choose. Cinnamon and KDE Plasma are probably the best for new users. Finding help with Debian on the web is easy enough. I've used Linux for over 20 years, and used it exclusively for the last 3 or 4. My wife just started using it every day about 3 years ago. To her, there was really no difference between Debian Cinnamon and Linux Mint Cinnamon. She was fine figuring out either one. She settled on Mint, and that's what she's been using since then. Could've been either one, though.
The few cut ins WERE connected. I recorded those in the lodge where I have Internet, but no privacy to record the audio. The two parts that didn't function were tested with full Internet.
@@SwitchedtoLinux I see. Thanks for clarifying. Then it's a pity that peppermint failed to give a good account of itself :(. You doing the ground work on our behalf is much appreciated. All the best.
You point out that "system restore" and "backup" are not necessarily the same thing, in reference to Timeshift, which I gather just takes snapshots of selected system files? (I'm a Linux newbie preparing to switch over) Back around Windows98, I was using a program which I believe was called Rollback, or maybe GoBack, which could track and back up to a dedicated partition pretty much every changed file on the hard drive, both system and data. If I remember, one had to set intervals for snapshots and also either time before deletion, file exclusions, and/or limit backup storage via partition size but within those constraints this program made possible complete reversion to any given point on the timeline and could be run during bootup even if the OS wouldn't boot. The program also allowed for recovery of specific files without changing anything else. I wonder if there is anything like that currently available on Linux? That sort of backup tool gave one a wonderful sense of security, and storage is so much cheaper now....
Timeshift will allow for this, but several other applications also do. The Linux Mint Backup tool works in this way, and it is designed for the backups. I have explained the differences and options here: th-cam.com/video/vmipe6dFbc4/w-d-xo.html
I have never tried out Peppermint yet I would be most prowned to use LMDE for the tried and true. Peppermint does seem to be resources friendly as it is designed for. Yet it is too busy in the menu system of apps, which could make a new user overwhelmed due to the immediate learning curve. Perhaps if there was a tutorial page at their website, that has a web shortcut placed at the welcome screen on the desktop to the community page could be advantageous to the new user for the first time.
Peppermint used to be one of my top 4-5 distros. It hasn't been right in a long time. If you still like XFCE (Not sure why since KDE plasma is lighter now) use Linux Mint XFCE or maybe Zorin Lite.
Hey Tom, IDK what YT is playing at, but when I use the channel-search on your channel page, the top three results are videos from other channels than yours, after that the rest are yours. (Sort of like how Google search gives a list of ads before the actual results.) For example, if I search your channel for "self-hosting e-mail" the top 3 results are: 1) Christian Lempa's "Host your own Mail Server, is it a good idea?" 2) SpaceRex's "you should NOT host your own email server! (and here is why)" 3) DB Tech's "Let's Talk About Self-Hosting Email" Just thought you might want to know. Cheers.
Incidentally, those results correspond to the top 3 results for that search query using the general YT search (Clearly videos the algorithm is pushing for some reason). -I have not noticed this happening on any other channel than yours, thus far.-
I like peppermint even more because it is the best debian fork who build debian 12 very early as compared to other distros like Mx linux I also like the theming and icons now as compared to past peppermint It is a good thing to give user a choice that which browser they need so they dont need to uninstall and install other browser We also still can install nemo file manager (No big deal) Only my favorite thing i miss in this is the linux mint software manager If new user know how to install and partition linux so they will also know how to install browser from a given peppermint welcome screen because there is a word install packages and web browser mention here so it is not difficult User already show some courage by install linux and leave windows so they can install some basic things from the software store or welcome screen
"4 terminals" … xfce-terminal and xterm (which provides two wrapper shell scripts that invoke it with different internationalization options.) I know the terminal is considered not sexy anymore, but having broken one, I can see advantages to having a backup. I'd say Peppermint has taken a step backward in terms of functionality as part of getting the hell away from Ubuntu. It would've been good if they'd gone to LMDE to pick up those things they'd borrowed from Mint since they're generally available on LMDE. Hope to see the next release take it back to its roots a little more.
A long time ago... I started-off in the Linux world and Peppermint was one of the few, if not the only distro that worked well on my aging laptop, Can't remember if it was 7 version 7 or 8?? Anyhow... what you see here is far from what peppermint was prior. They have definitely lost their way IMHO. I want to like this version...but why? So many more functional and polished distros out there! Even Mint XFCE is a better choice!!
I used Peppermint 10 on an older laptop back in 2019/20 and found it to be quite responsive and a nice light OS for that hardware and quite new user friendly. The switch to Debian is less impactful to me than the other changes in terms of Desktop environment, lack of a browser on install, in 10 at least both Nemo and Thunar installed, as you noted several terminals, no package manager other than Synaptic and on and on. it seems very disjointed and lost to some degree and i simply moved that old laptop to Mint and it runs fine.
Earlier versions of Peppermint had the Ice app with a bunch of predefined Ice shortcuts. Since Linux Mint has Webapps, I see little reason to use Pepermint.
That's... just not likely to be possible. Mark, as detailed as he was about his (ultimately final) wishes for Peppermint OS - plans for Peppermint OS 11 - barely went into much detail about how he actually *made* Peppermint OS 10 Respin and below, meaning it'd take a lot of reverse engineering and logs evaluating to figure out how me made Peppermint OS from his era, nevermind then assembling it all to work on newer technologies while you'll never know for sure what Mark would've done about certain things that weren't issues to consider back in 10R.
I'm still a bit torn about the new PM and whether I'll continue using it in the future. I will focus on the negatives for now based on my usage. I do NOT like their new forum, which is not as simple and much uglier than the original. It seems soulless to me and I don't really post any comments or questions like I used to on the old one. It no longer feels like a kind, special community like before. The new mods and devs seem to be more ready to dismiss ideas and don't seem as welcoming to criticism or suggestions as before. The way the OS updates seems very disjointed but when a major update happens, it always seemed to me like even the old PM wasn't that good in that department. I usually just download the latest version after it's been out for about 3 months so any issues may hopefully be resolved so I can clean install the latest w/minimal issues. I tried the Devuan version and it periodically exhibits failures to update that (per PM forum posts) have to do with the entity that updates Devuan keys/repos. The PM forum basically advises to wait some time in order for it to become re-synchronized with Devuan repos. The "xDaily" option for updating is a bit redundant but does contain other system processes options after looking for updates. "PepScope" listed within the PM Hub is supposed to allow updates for Devuan and for PepTools, but for me, these no longer seem to show any updates (last listed update was on Feb.11). I'm unsure if this means I need to check to see if there is a newer version of PM Devuan that I'd need to clean install. Update manager listed within PM Hub lists the ability to update PepTools, but when I try, I get an error msg listing "checking codeberg for updates; applying updates" and just freezes there with no completion confirmation. Another issue I find with the new PM is that it can be very tricky to install some programs compared to the past iterations. It seems like (since they have stripped out many prior included apps) there are a lot less built-in dependencies and depending on an app you may wish to install, you may find it a lot more difficult and time consuming to install said app since you may have to search for and install some dependencies that the app may require. This may not be applicable for more high profile apps that may offer flatpak or snap versions, but there are more obscure apps I find indispensable that may be less frequently updated or may not yet offer a pre-packaged version containing all relevant dependencies for their app. I find that the barrier to entry into Linux via PM will now be much harder for new users by removing simple things like a web browser, even though one can install one via the PM Hub Suggested Packages option. This option is not perfect though as an example would be that it offers a download option for the Snap (packages) Store but it fails to install for me and gives an error msg instead. Kumo is terrible and should have never been released in its current state. ICE wasn't perfect either, but it was at least usable and predictable. Firefox via Kumo is basically a much more rudimentary and option-less version of what could be done compared to prior ICE installed versions. I'm unsure why ICE couldn't be further updated since it was almost perfect, instead of the wheel being reinvented by introducing Kumo. Lastly, there are several file managers included and sometimes you have files open in Thunar (ie. locating where FF downloaded a file to), even though Nemo is supposed to be the default file manager, which I find very annoying as I prefer Nemo and its features.
Haven't touched Peppermint since the Debian version released. Felt clunky and half-baked, so naturally I hoped things would get better. Sad to see they really haven't.
@@grafik0859 First installation felt incredibly slow & sluggish, including the update manager freezing. After reinstalling the distro it wasn't slow at all and was very responsive. I was a little concerned with that, so I figured I'd just wait a bit while the distro received some patches and updates.
Hmm 🤔 I have not had any issues like that, I actually enjoy it, saved me a lot of mundane tasks I would normally do in debian and no bloat to remove. To each is their own I suppose 😂
Peppermint isn't Peppermint anymore since Mark Greaves passed away. The terminals is a Debian thing. When I used Debian Xfce the non-free iso it also came with 4 terminals and lots of other crap, which I always uninstalled. But if you want a Debian based Xfce you should take a look at eznix OS. Which is now also based on Debian 12.
From my understanding he has a seperate capture, and streaming system from the system he's testing on when he's in the van at least, but since he said he's in the lodge at the camp he's helping to run, that's a lot of battery drain for sure if it's all on the same system with a good battery.
Yes, multiple screen captures from different locations went into this as I was moving from the lodge (with Internet but not privacy) to the van (with privacy to record, but no Internet). Just ignore the battery changes.
@@PhayzinOut With LMDE you get the latest version of the Cinnamon desktop and all the tools and apps that you normally expect to get with Linux Mint preinstalled where as the latest version of Peppermint is literally just Debian with XFCE and a few added in tools some of which don't even work correctly. It's an okay distro but it's also just yet another pointless distro.
I don't like anything about the new PeppermintOS. What was PepOS seem to have gone away when the main dev passed away, they should've just moved on and started their own distro instead, if they aren't going to carry on the legacy the way it was supposed to be that is. Like why in the world would you remove that "candy logo"? Read a disturbing comment on the latest review by DT by someone that calls himself "Captain Yourself": "Satan worshipping developer. Did you catch the 666 behind the logo at 0:38? The developer had a signature on the forums where he spelled out 666 in Linux permissions and captioned it “the number of the beast”. Also as soon as he took over the project a few years back, he changed the peppermint logo from a traditional peppermint candy with 5 spokes to one with 6 spokes that made multiples of 6. He’s obsessed with the beast and I’d stay away."
I agree if you are calling yourself a lightweight distro, then why do you need 4 terminal programs? Even Manjaro GNOME doesn't do that!!! Peppermint really has gone backwards since the OG Dev. passed away, and that's why I'll tell people to use LMDE, Solus Budgie, or if they are more advanced Manjaro with their prefered flavor from the official versions.
Agreed, that's the only thing I've ever found good from this distro as well, and even that is just kind of meh if you have a distro with a good software center/repo with a list of recommended software.
This used to be my go to distro in 2019-20 until the engeneer behind it passed away
i am using peppeemint on my pc 2 gb ram amd athlon 2 processor.it works just fine.❤💐💐🙏🏻
I didn't know about this change of direction for peppermint, as I first downloaded this OS 5 days ago to install on an old 2009 samsung laptop. Every other OS has a ton of issues, I tried arch with xfce, Ubuntu 64 and 32 bit, linux mint, AntiX linux, the laptop would boot in minutes for each of these, and was very laggy, except AntiX, it's so lightweight that it had no issue with lag, but without exception they all had the weird issue where the text would flicker, letters would disappear, graphical elements woulkd just vanish, become black boxes, etc. Then I installed this specific version of Peppermint and it works like a charm, no issues whatsoever, it boots in 30 seconds instead of 4 minutes, opening a program (EVEN CHROMIUM) takes 3 seconds after boot and less than a second after that. Installing flatpak with flathub works perfectly, the apps appear in the system menu correctly.
From my point of view this OS is a godsent, but I have no idea how it was before so I can't really talk. Maybe they shouldve just forked the project and named this something else.
I can use bluetooth, I can use my sonos, chromecast to my tv, my printer worked perfectly first try, I even install steam to play some good old Duke3D. What more could I ask for?
Yeah its like a group of old men sitting around complaining, LOL 😆 Most of the time they spout misinformation about the history of Peppermint 🤣 none the less it is cool it works well for you.
Just coming back to Linux after several years away. Agree with your points, but I still selected Peppermint to obtain a stripped down Debian 12 with a XFCE desktop where I can install exactly the apps I am interested in. Firefox installed from their welcome screen quickly and smoothly. They made it very clear on their web page that no browser was installed. My alternative was the Debian XFCE image and then strip out all the items I did not want - would be the same thing in the end accomplished from the other direction. After some more OS trials, I shifted to MX Linux Xfce for their extensive tool set although the PM default menu is exactly the look I was going for.
When checking for RAM used on a clod boot, it's best to run HTOP in a terminal. That included task manager on Xfce does add a fair amount to the Used RAM Total. At least, that's been my experience with Mint, Ubuntu and Manjaro, all on Xfce. FWIW.
I applaud what the Peppermint team is doing, remaking a beloved distro is no easy feat and is fraught with missteps, but I am confident they will get there in time with a coherent expression of Pepp that would have made Mr. Greaves smile.
Kudos to you folks.
I actually liked the newer version of peppermint. However, I think it needs a defined software center! Plus, the peppermint team should think about other DE's as wayland improves.
The next version of XFCE will have the option to use Wayland.
The Web Browser is " Debian Sensible Browser" which uses Vim keys for navigation. It show lots of Developer only choices all over it. Vim Yes, no nano. I have netbook like machine. This will be a great start for that machine. It save me from building from a bare server installation of Debian. It is more of a kit car Distro. The user has to bolt it together to their personal taste. It can see it used in VMs. One would remove excess stuff and clone the remaining system This id not your average ready to run Distro. It is more a Distdo Kit each user must finish themselves.
5:10 Feren OS has Web Browser Manager... for now.
As of Feren OS 2023.07, this tool has been retired in favour of providing a category in the release's all-new Store rewrite that lets you choose from even more browsers than Web Browser Manager allowed you to. *Note that this will only be available for testing as of Beta 2, and that at the time of writing Feren OS 2023.04 is the latest release.*
As it stands right now, the Web Browser Manager will live on in the upcoming Bodhi Linux release, and was featured in Peppermint 10 Respin too, and as mentioned will live on in spirit in Feren OS's new Store application.
I think your right tom, i prefere the old peppermint, this is just debian xfce with there own theme.
Don't forget the bloat like the 4 pre installed terminals.
i liked alot of the older features of peppermint , it was slick fast and stable, some of the changes they made have taken it from excellent to somewhat jank ,i imagine when the original developer passed away some of the things just existed in his head and those taking over had to make sense of everything , hopefully they find their footing and improve things peppermint of 2019 was excellent
I recently tried Peppermint and I concur with everything you mentioned. Lightweight yes, good for new users no. After testing many distros on my test machine it is well below par, but no where near as bad as Elementary OS.
I tried this new version. For a light weight distro it was just fine. I found the reviewer poking around forever looking for a software manager with just using synaptic first was very tiring. Also the reviewer keeps banging on about new Linux users. Well, Peppermint OS documentation says the OS 'provides a user with the opportunity to build the system that best fits their needs.' Nothing is mentioned by Peppermint OS that this distro is for new Linux users.
This channel caters to new Linux users to give recommendations, thus, I often say if it is good for a new user or not regardless of the documentation.
LMDE5 is the best of the bunch at this time.
I liked the old version and used it on older hardware. Of course they changed the direction, but to be honest I like the new version too. Actually I use it now on my main desktop and I am quite happy with it. They offer a (nicely themed) nearly vanilla Debian and added some basic tools. For me it is a great base to build up your individual desktop (i.e. using only flatpaks or snaps).
They are certainly still looking for their direction and there are still several bugs in the system, but I personally like the approach.
I've said before and I'll say it again. This is not the peppermint OS I fell in love with. It's probably for the best they ditched the candy logo because it has nothing in common with the old Peppermint anymore.
I wish the team the best but I am moving on and have found other distros to fill the void my first Linux love once held. 😢
I use peppermint os on a small pc i have to run adguard and wireguard
I completely agree. But going a step further, I think that if you're going to use Debian, you should just use Debian. Debian includes drivers now, and it is quite user friendly depending on which desktop you choose. Cinnamon and KDE Plasma are probably the best for new users. Finding help with Debian on the web is easy enough. I've used Linux for over 20 years, and used it exclusively for the last 3 or 4. My wife just started using it every day about 3 years ago. To her, there was really no difference between Debian Cinnamon and Linux Mint Cinnamon. She was fine figuring out either one. She settled on Mint, and that's what she's been using since then. Could've been either one, though.
It's possible if you were connected to the web, then some of the apps/tools/utils may have worked.?
The few cut ins WERE connected. I recorded those in the lodge where I have Internet, but no privacy to record the audio. The two parts that didn't function were tested with full Internet.
@@SwitchedtoLinux I see. Thanks for clarifying. Then it's a pity that peppermint failed to give a good account of itself :(. You doing the ground work on our behalf is much appreciated. All the best.
You point out that "system restore" and "backup" are not necessarily the same thing, in reference to Timeshift, which I gather just takes snapshots of selected system files? (I'm a Linux newbie preparing to switch over) Back around Windows98, I was using a program which I believe was called Rollback, or maybe GoBack, which could track and back up to a dedicated partition pretty much every changed file on the hard drive, both system and data. If I remember, one had to set intervals for snapshots and also either time before deletion, file exclusions, and/or limit backup storage via partition size but within those constraints this program made possible complete reversion to any given point on the timeline and could be run during bootup even if the OS wouldn't boot. The program also allowed for recovery of specific files without changing anything else. I wonder if there is anything like that currently available on Linux? That sort of backup tool gave one a wonderful sense of security, and storage is so much cheaper now....
Timeshift will allow for this, but several other applications also do. The Linux Mint Backup tool works in this way, and it is designed for the backups. I have explained the differences and options here:
th-cam.com/video/vmipe6dFbc4/w-d-xo.html
@@SwitchedtoLinux Thanks, I'll have a look.
I have never tried out Peppermint yet I would be most prowned to use LMDE for the tried and true. Peppermint does
seem to be resources friendly as it is designed for. Yet it is too busy in the menu system of apps, which could make
a new user overwhelmed due to the immediate learning curve. Perhaps if there was a tutorial page at their website,
that has a web shortcut placed at the welcome screen on the desktop to the community page could be advantageous
to the new user for the first time.
Peppermint used to be one of my top 4-5 distros. It hasn't been right in a long time. If you still like XFCE (Not sure why since KDE plasma is lighter now) use Linux Mint XFCE or maybe Zorin Lite.
Hey Tom, IDK what YT is playing at, but when I use the channel-search on your channel page, the top three results are videos from other channels than yours, after that the rest are yours. (Sort of like how Google search gives a list of ads before the actual results.)
For example, if I search your channel for "self-hosting e-mail" the top 3 results are:
1) Christian Lempa's "Host your own Mail Server, is it a good idea?"
2) SpaceRex's "you should NOT host your own email server! (and here is why)"
3) DB Tech's "Let's Talk About Self-Hosting Email"
Just thought you might want to know. Cheers.
Incidentally, those results correspond to the top 3 results for that search query using the general YT search (Clearly videos the algorithm is pushing for some reason).
-I have not noticed this happening on any other channel than yours, thus far.-
any chance to review Elive 3.8.34 (Beta) ?
Are you saying _peppermint_ could use _a breath of fresh air_ ? 😄 I'll see myself out.
I like peppermint even more because it is the best debian fork who build debian 12 very early as compared to other distros like Mx linux
I also like the theming and icons now as compared to past peppermint
It is a good thing to give user a choice that which browser they need so they dont need to uninstall and install other browser
We also still can install nemo file manager (No big deal)
Only my favorite thing i miss in this is the linux mint software manager
If new user know how to install and partition linux so they will also know how to install browser from a given peppermint welcome screen because there is a word install packages and web browser mention here so it is not difficult
User already show some courage by install linux and leave windows so they can install some basic things from the software store or welcome screen
"4 terminals" … xfce-terminal and xterm (which provides two wrapper shell scripts that invoke it with different internationalization options.) I know the terminal is considered not sexy anymore, but having broken one, I can see advantages to having a backup.
I'd say Peppermint has taken a step backward in terms of functionality as part of getting the hell away from Ubuntu. It would've been good if they'd gone to LMDE to pick up those things they'd borrowed from Mint since they're generally available on LMDE. Hope to see the next release take it back to its roots a little more.
A long time ago... I started-off in the Linux world and Peppermint was one of the few, if not the only distro that worked well on my aging laptop, Can't remember if it was 7
version 7 or 8?? Anyhow... what you see here is far from what peppermint was prior. They have definitely lost their way IMHO. I want to like this version...but why? So many more functional and polished distros out there! Even Mint XFCE is a better choice!!
i miss the old peppermint. debian switch was a good idea but the rest should have never been removed. its also very buggy. at least on my hardware.
I used Peppermint 10 on an older laptop back in 2019/20 and found it to be quite responsive and a nice light OS for that hardware and quite new user friendly. The switch to Debian is less impactful to me than the other changes in terms of Desktop environment, lack of a browser on install, in 10 at least both Nemo and Thunar installed, as you noted several terminals, no package manager other than Synaptic and on and on. it seems very disjointed and lost to some degree and i simply moved that old laptop to Mint and it runs fine.
Earlier versions of Peppermint had the Ice app with a bunch of predefined Ice shortcuts. Since Linux Mint has Webapps, I see little reason to use Pepermint.
ngl, need a Peppermint Classic or something of the sort....
That's... just not likely to be possible.
Mark, as detailed as he was about his (ultimately final) wishes for Peppermint OS - plans for Peppermint OS 11 - barely went into much detail about how he actually *made* Peppermint OS 10 Respin and below, meaning it'd take a lot of reverse engineering and logs evaluating to figure out how me made Peppermint OS from his era, nevermind then assembling it all to work on newer technologies while you'll never know for sure what Mark would've done about certain things that weren't issues to consider back in 10R.
Lilidog...case closed
New peppermint os doesn’t work on Hp laptop no wireless driver no internet access
I'm still a bit torn about the new PM and whether I'll continue using it in the future. I will focus on the negatives for now based on my usage. I do NOT like their new forum, which is not as simple and much uglier than the original. It seems soulless to me and I don't really post any comments or questions like I used to on the old one. It no longer feels like a kind, special community like before. The new mods and devs seem to be more ready to dismiss ideas and don't seem as welcoming to criticism or suggestions as before. The way the OS updates seems very disjointed but when a major update happens, it always seemed to me like even the old PM wasn't that good in that department. I usually just download the latest version after it's been out for about 3 months so any issues may hopefully be resolved so I can clean install the latest w/minimal issues. I tried the Devuan version and it periodically exhibits failures to update that (per PM forum posts) have to do with the entity that updates Devuan keys/repos. The PM forum basically advises to wait some time in order for it to become re-synchronized with Devuan repos. The "xDaily" option for updating is a bit redundant but does contain other system processes options after looking for updates. "PepScope" listed within the PM Hub is supposed to allow updates for Devuan and for PepTools, but for me, these no longer seem to show any updates (last listed update was on Feb.11). I'm unsure if this means I need to check to see if there is a newer version of PM Devuan that I'd need to clean install. Update manager listed within PM Hub lists the ability to update PepTools, but when I try, I get an error msg listing "checking codeberg for updates; applying updates" and just freezes there with no completion confirmation. Another issue I find with the new PM is that it can be very tricky to install some programs compared to the past iterations. It seems like (since they have stripped out many prior included apps) there are a lot less built-in dependencies and depending on an app you may wish to install, you may find it a lot more difficult and time consuming to install said app since you may have to search for and install some dependencies that the app may require. This may not be applicable for more high profile apps that may offer flatpak or snap versions, but there are more obscure apps I find indispensable that may be less frequently updated or may not yet offer a pre-packaged version containing all relevant dependencies for their app. I find that the barrier to entry into Linux via PM will now be much harder for new users by removing simple things like a web browser, even though one can install one via the PM Hub Suggested Packages option. This option is not perfect though as an example would be that it offers a download option for the Snap (packages) Store but it fails to install for me and gives an error msg instead. Kumo is terrible and should have never been released in its current state. ICE wasn't perfect either, but it was at least usable and predictable. Firefox via Kumo is basically a much more rudimentary and option-less version of what could be done compared to prior ICE installed versions. I'm unsure why ICE couldn't be further updated since it was almost perfect, instead of the wheel being reinvented by introducing Kumo. Lastly, there are several file managers included and sometimes you have files open in Thunar (ie. locating where FF downloaded a file to), even though Nemo is supposed to be the default file manager, which I find very annoying as I prefer Nemo and its features.
Haven't touched Peppermint since the Debian version released. Felt clunky and half-baked, so naturally I hoped things would get better. Sad to see they really haven't.
In what way
@@grafik0859 First installation felt incredibly slow & sluggish, including the update manager freezing. After reinstalling the distro it wasn't slow at all and was very responsive. I was a little concerned with that, so I figured I'd just wait a bit while the distro received some patches and updates.
Hmm 🤔 I have not had any issues like that, I actually enjoy it, saved me a lot of mundane tasks I would normally do in debian and no bloat to remove. To each is their own I suppose 😂
Peppermint isn't Peppermint anymore since Mark Greaves passed away. The terminals is a Debian thing. When I used Debian Xfce the non-free iso it also came with 4 terminals and lots of other crap, which I always uninstalled. But if you want a Debian based Xfce you should take a look at eznix OS. Which is now also based on Debian 12.
I think you got this one right. Never had the chance to try Peppermint... this really makes me not want to.
Maybe it's because you're recording, but this distro is also eating battery life, you went from 90% to 80% for the duration of the video 😂
From my understanding he has a seperate capture, and streaming system from the system he's testing on when he's in the van at least, but since he said he's in the lodge at the camp he's helping to run, that's a lot of battery drain for sure if it's all on the same system with a good battery.
Yes, multiple screen captures from different locations went into this as I was moving from the lodge (with Internet but not privacy) to the van (with privacy to record, but no Internet). Just ignore the battery changes.
I just don't see the point of using Peppermint when you can just use Debian with XFCE.
That's like saying you don't see a point of using LMDE when you can just use Debian with Cinnamon
@@PhayzinOut With LMDE you get the latest version of the Cinnamon desktop and all the tools and apps that you normally expect to get with Linux Mint preinstalled where as the latest version of Peppermint is literally just Debian with XFCE and a few added in tools some of which don't even work correctly. It's an okay distro but it's also just yet another pointless distro.
@@draugr7693 And you don't with Debian Testing/Sid?
I just don't get why you would use peppermint when debian 12 exists
I agree. I was using peppermint and just found it easier to switch to Debian Xfce
I don't like anything about the new PeppermintOS. What was PepOS seem to have gone away when the main dev passed away, they should've just moved on and started their own distro instead, if they aren't going to carry on the legacy the way it was supposed to be that is. Like why in the world would you remove that "candy logo"? Read a disturbing comment on the latest review by DT by someone that calls himself "Captain Yourself":
"Satan worshipping developer. Did you catch the 666 behind the logo at 0:38? The developer had a signature on the forums where he spelled out 666 in Linux permissions and captioned it “the number of the beast”. Also as soon as he took over the project a few years back, he changed the peppermint logo from a traditional peppermint candy with 5 spokes to one with 6 spokes that made multiples of 6. He’s obsessed with the beast and I’d stay away."
I think peppermintOS has lost its way myself. Just stick with plain Debian or use LMDE.
I agree if you are calling yourself a lightweight distro, then why do you need 4 terminal programs? Even Manjaro GNOME doesn't do that!!! Peppermint really has gone backwards since the OG Dev. passed away, and that's why I'll tell people to use LMDE, Solus Budgie, or if they are more advanced Manjaro with their prefered flavor from the official versions.
There is not that many terminals its just the settings features he made a mistake, thes is only xterm and the xfce terminal. 😂
Last good version of peppermint was version 10.
new peppermint is bad
peppermint os is bad and i never like it, only one thing i like user can choose which software to install from list at the time of installation
Agreed, that's the only thing I've ever found good from this distro as well, and even that is just kind of meh if you have a distro with a good software center/repo with a list of recommended software.
Best Peppermint to me was 10 respin, 11 sucked and became less install friendly.