By next weekend I'm hoping it's dropped to sane levels for novices (it's at 20,000 cfu right now!!!). We will probably shoot for 11 am or afterwards - If you are interested we can join forces! :D
@@RiverKingsKayak yep, just watched it. I guess I got a little too impatient instead of just watching the next vids! Thanks for all the info in these videos. I'm looking to buy my first kayak (I live in Raleigh) and they have been a big help!
We want to do this section next. We aren't novices to paddling but we don't want to go over our heads either (no pun intended). There may not be an easy answer to this but what cfs and gauge height would you say are a maximum for intermediate (maybe slightly less then intermediate) paddlers? Thanks!!
CJ Vicencio the USGS gage website usually has two graphs, one is for a relative steam depth at a control structure, the other is a calculated cfs based on a curve calculated against the depth of water at the control structure. That curve calculation requires a lot of work and is too complicated for me to really explain well.
@@itisjustmedude ... Thank you!! On saw in one of your other videos the structures that are located along the river shore used to measure. Thanks for pointing those out!
Enjoying these videos of the haw. Are there any sections of the haw that might be runnable in a SUP? PFD and Helmet of course but looking for a little bit of running water near me to get on.
Taylor Nave absolutely! All of them can be sup'd depending on skill. I would suggest the red slide to swepsonville stretch to test things out. Glencoe to red slide is good as well if the red slide to Swepsonville stretch is too boring
Off the wall thought... Question.. I wonder if I could Uber a lift from 64 back to Bynum? Is that a statement or a question? I wonder how I should have punctuated that? Hmmm.
Ok man, so i'm confused, you said if you hit a rock to lean downstream? I thought that you always leaned into the object? Does this change depending on which side of the yak you get hit??
Usually the downstream side of the boat is the side of the boat the object is on. The problem with a broach is that the current is pushing you down the river sideways into an object that isn't moving. When the contact occurs, the water will then push on the parts of the kayak that are underwater such as the keel or boat edges, chines etc...When that happens, the bottom of the boat wants to go downstream thus forcing the top of the boat upstream and into what is known as a windowshade or simply getting flipped. To counter this one needs to aggressively lean into the object/downstream. This is called edging. When you do that, your weight as well as the hydodynamics of the hull at that point allow the boat to side surf the current while broached. You can then work yourself off the object or perhaps simply bounce or wash off the object and continue on your way. If you are pointing mostly downstream and are hitting an object at an oncoming angle, leaning into it is the right answer instead of leaning into your feet per say. Once you hit it, you will know immediately if you leaned the correct way...he he. Hope this helps clear it up. To re-confuse you, in a surf wave at the beach, you lean back into the wave when sideways which will feel upstream. But in the ocean surf it is you that is moving and not the water under you...so it is sort of reversed...
I think I have an idea what you're saying. I wish I could say it was super clear, but I'm a visual learner also, so your just going to have to make a short video on that! lol. (for real though) And the reason I say that is, I think regardless of craft you paddle, obstructions can surprise a person, and it would be cool to have a few back pocket tactics to handle them. I think one of my BIGGEST concerns, as a novice paddler, is running into a tree, or rock and being capsized. Give us all your secrets Pete!!! Don't hold back now. :)
he he, will do on the video idea. In the meantime, here is a visual trainwreck on virtually everything that you can do wrong...This was actually a potentially dangerous situation that ended up ok. You can see that as soon as the edge dipped the boat was doomed. th-cam.com/video/-ldleoX-JJA/w-d-xo.html
Hey man. I am capable of level 2-3 rapids but when in my coosa HD I try and avoid all dangerous situations entirely. Based on water height and flow of course, but could you recommend a stretch of haw that on a good day would be a relatively easy float that is also good for bass fishing? Thanks so much, great video here.
Yes sir. You can run from saxapahaw down to Union Bridge. There is only one rapid of note that should not give you much trouble. If you want to avoid that, You can put in at the lake access in saxapahaw and paddle upstream all the way to Puryear dam a few miles up. Both stretches have good fishing. Thanks!
@@RiverKingsKayak sorry to contradict a lot of what you say. I'm a avid kayaker and angler myself. I grew up driving trucks along that stretch before I was 10. I know the river. You are obviously a pro. But most ain't. Most think they are. I know when to play. And I know when to set back. Those big rocks in high water will knock you down. And all of a sudden you are a number. To many play with the haw thru there. Say its shallow. Its ok at high water. I had my own yak get hole and thank God for once people trash the river now unlike they did when I came up. Patched it with a lighter and a takis package.
I dont see any contradiction to anything I have said. I dont advocate folks attempting this at high water either. There are acceptable paddling levels for rivers and sometimes that depends on the paddler's skill level and the gear being used. People just need to use some judgement. I am pretty sure this is conveyed in the videos.
I grew up in Bynum....I've made a lot of great memories in the mighty Haw!
Right on Russell!
Great section of river. I've been down it 3 times this year so far, kayak fishing. Some nice largemouth bass in that section.
Right on Johhny!
nice... where was S-turn ?
We may have taken a different channel.
Thank you for posting that! I'm sending it to a group that I"m going to lead down next weekend (weather and water levels permitting!).
Enjoy!
We were going to be out there this weekend but that doesn't look like it's going to happen... Lol
By next weekend I'm hoping it's dropped to sane levels for novices (it's at 20,000 cfu right now!!!). We will probably shoot for 11 am or afterwards - If you are interested we can join forces! :D
What size boat was Keith in? Would it be too long to take on Lower Haw with an intermediate paddler?
14.5' prijon Yukon expedition. We took it down the lower haw...it is the next video in the series...
@@RiverKingsKayak yep, just watched it. I guess I got a little too impatient instead of just watching the next vids! Thanks for all the info in these videos. I'm looking to buy my first kayak (I live in Raleigh) and they have been a big help!
We want to do this section next. We aren't novices to paddling but we don't want to go over our heads either (no pun intended). There may not be an easy answer to this but what cfs and gauge height would you say are a maximum for intermediate (maybe slightly less then intermediate) paddlers? Thanks!!
What kind of boats do you have
@@RiverKingsKayak We have Ocean Kayak Malibu 9.5's. They are sit on top kayaks.
The river was running about 270 cfs on the 27th. 3.22 is the gage height reading in feet which is plugged into the gage curve to give you the cfs.
oops, good catch...3.22 cfs would not be enough ;)
It was running at 322 cfs and 3.5 feet on the 25th when I ran it.
How can you find the cfs?
CJ Vicencio the USGS gage website usually has two graphs, one is for a relative steam depth at a control structure, the other is a calculated cfs based on a curve calculated against the depth of water at the control structure. That curve calculation requires a lot of work and is too complicated for me to really explain well.
@@itisjustmedude ... Thank you!! On saw in one of your other videos the structures that are located along the river shore used to measure. Thanks for pointing those out!
Enjoying these videos of the haw. Are there any sections of the haw that might be runnable in a SUP? PFD and Helmet of course but looking for a little bit of running water near me to get on.
Taylor Nave absolutely! All of them can be sup'd depending on skill. I would suggest the red slide to swepsonville stretch to test things out. Glencoe to red slide is good as well if the red slide to Swepsonville stretch is too boring
River Kings Awesome! That's what I figured, just need the right water level. Thanks!
Off the wall thought... Question.. I wonder if I could Uber a lift from 64 back to Bynum? Is that a statement or a question? I wonder how I should have punctuated that? Hmmm.
Not sure...I have never Uber'd. LOL. If someone had a truck I guess it should work?
Ok man, so i'm confused, you said if you hit a rock to lean downstream? I thought that you always leaned into the object? Does this change depending on which side of the yak you get hit??
Usually the downstream side of the boat is the side of the boat the object is on. The problem with a broach is that the current is pushing you down the river sideways into an object that isn't moving. When the contact occurs, the water will then push on the parts of the kayak that are underwater such as the keel or boat edges, chines etc...When that happens, the bottom of the boat wants to go downstream thus forcing the top of the boat upstream and into what is known as a windowshade or simply getting flipped. To counter this one needs to aggressively lean into the object/downstream. This is called edging. When you do that, your weight as well as the hydodynamics of the hull at that point allow the boat to side surf the current while broached. You can then work yourself off the object or perhaps simply bounce or wash off the object and continue on your way. If you are pointing mostly downstream and are hitting an object at an oncoming angle, leaning into it is the right answer instead of leaning into your feet per say. Once you hit it, you will know immediately if you leaned the correct way...he he. Hope this helps clear it up. To re-confuse you, in a surf wave at the beach, you lean back into the wave when sideways which will feel upstream. But in the ocean surf it is you that is moving and not the water under you...so it is sort of reversed...
I think I have an idea what you're saying. I wish I could say it was super clear, but I'm a visual learner also, so your just going to have to make a short video on that! lol. (for real though) And the reason I say that is, I think regardless of craft you paddle, obstructions can surprise a person, and it would be cool to have a few back pocket tactics to handle them. I think one of my BIGGEST concerns, as a novice paddler, is running into a tree, or rock and being capsized. Give us all your secrets Pete!!! Don't hold back now. :)
he he, will do on the video idea. In the meantime, here is a visual trainwreck on virtually everything that you can do wrong...This was actually a potentially dangerous situation that ended up ok. You can see that as soon as the edge dipped the boat was doomed. th-cam.com/video/-ldleoX-JJA/w-d-xo.html
and another low key example of a completely avoidable mishap...th-cam.com/video/W8Ezdci9_xA/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/u4hJ1CkJukk/w-d-xo.html another
Hey man. I am capable of level 2-3 rapids but when in my coosa HD I try and avoid all dangerous situations entirely. Based on water height and flow of course, but could you recommend a stretch of haw that on a good day would be a relatively easy float that is also good for bass fishing? Thanks so much, great video here.
Yes sir. You can run from saxapahaw down to Union Bridge. There is only one rapid of note that should not give you much trouble. If you want to avoid that, You can put in at the lake access in saxapahaw and paddle upstream all the way to Puryear dam a few miles up. Both stretches have good fishing. Thanks!
Sorry, had to re-upload due to some weird pixelization happening every couple seconds...enjoy!
I wouldn't recommend going in high level. I grew up in Bynum. Seen many a failed rescue attempt.
Good advice Clayton
@@RiverKingsKayak sorry to contradict a lot of what you say. I'm a avid kayaker and angler myself. I grew up driving trucks along that stretch before I was 10. I know the river. You are obviously a pro. But most ain't. Most think they are. I know when to play. And I know when to set back. Those big rocks in high water will knock you down. And all of a sudden you are a number. To many play with the haw thru there. Say its shallow. Its ok at high water. I had my own yak get hole and thank God for once people trash the river now unlike they did when I came up. Patched it with a lighter and a takis package.
I dont see any contradiction to anything I have said. I dont advocate folks attempting this at high water either. There are acceptable paddling levels for rivers and sometimes that depends on the paddler's skill level and the gear being used. People just need to use some judgement. I am pretty sure this is conveyed in the videos.