How the Internet Destroyed Your Brain (Nicholas Carr Interview)

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  • @meowyimeow
    @meowyimeow 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I like the idea of a physical book being a shield against distraction. I prefer physical books to digital ones especially for reference topics (art, gardening, crafts, etc.).

  • @peterwaddell8967
    @peterwaddell8967 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This issue deserves to be at the center of many other topics. Excellent discussion. ⭐️

  • @Wardemonxi
    @Wardemonxi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had this running in the background as I constantly refresh youtube recommendations browsing videos.......

    • @Ed-zv8ot
      @Ed-zv8ot 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      true that

  • @tobiramasenju6290
    @tobiramasenju6290 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Who else on the internet news media is bringing guest who are so equipped to tackle difficult topics in depth.

    • @maryabdi2527
      @maryabdi2527 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Only David Pakman.

    • @dezthurock1052
      @dezthurock1052 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sam Seder baby! MR 4 LIFE 😄

    • @tobiramasenju6290
      @tobiramasenju6290 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dezthurock1052 GET OUTTA HERE with your eye holes!

    • @dezthurock1052
      @dezthurock1052 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tobiramasenju6290 😝

    • @aztekpriest6311
      @aztekpriest6311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dez Thurock Lol u beat me to it though I would also add TMBS!

  • @sarazohar4923
    @sarazohar4923 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A brilliant interviewer . People underestimate how smart the interviewer has to be, to read, think and segue through topics, and help the person who is being interviewed talk more and think more, like this dude above. I have read Mr.Carr's book , but kudos to an excellent interviewer, as he gives Mr. Carr ideas to think, which in my view is brilliant mind!!

  • @coya8coy175
    @coya8coy175 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the last year or two, I have gone crazy with social media. I did not like how my mind was changing or who I was becoming. I finally cut back, and began bringing my once laser focus back. I’ve also decided to go knee deep into my hobbies again, which includes reading. Social media can be very toxic (and distracting) at times; I feel no child should be allowed to go near it.

  • @MegaJolaus
    @MegaJolaus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Good talk. I really liked his analysis of the importance of books as a physical medium. I too love the feeling of a book in my hand. Unfortunately, I'm too broke to buy all the books I want lol.

    • @imasspeons
      @imasspeons 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I can't e-read at all. I find I can read a hundred pages and have no idea what is going on, whereas I can go just as quickly with a physical book and not have that problem.
      Not sure why that is but I just go with it and buy physical books instead.
      Edit: apparently a spelling error slipped under the radar. Oops!

    • @anthonypasquarelli6420
      @anthonypasquarelli6420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The library exists

  • @patrickmchugh4616
    @patrickmchugh4616 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I took a class in grad school about particular kinds of books that really wouldn't be feasible in a digital form. Randomized or "shuffle" literature like B.S. Johnson's "The Unfortunates" where the physical rearrangement of the novel is one of the most interesting aspects of it. Or something like Tom Phillip's "A Humument" where the sharpness of the thick glossy pages and their beautiful treatment are just lost when flipping through jpegs. Then there's Jonathan Safran Foer's "Tree of Codes" with it's pages littered with cuts, something impossible to recreate digitally. I think the haptic, physical quality of books, the smell of an old, yellowed tome, the crisp movement of the pages, the weight of holding Gaddis's "The Recognitions" in your hand as you pour over its mastery of language - all these aspects won't ever go away in my opinion.

  • @visceratrocar
    @visceratrocar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I honestly think the internet hasn't actually damaged our thought processes so much as it has changed they way we process information. We used to have to do A LOT more memorizing to survive. Now the internet is an infinite informational resources that we can use to look up as needed. We have learned how to identify key words and (some of us) know how tell propaganda from truth. Practical skills (fixing cars, installing drywall, building houses, etc.) Are still as relevant as they ever were. We just associate the internet with absolutely everything we have already built into our lifestyle. The lack of people skills mostly of the post millenial generation is the fault of the parents using the internet as a babysitter.

    • @tnlwithtrixiekat478
      @tnlwithtrixiekat478 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nicely put except the last sentence.

    • @visceratrocar
      @visceratrocar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tnlwithtrixiekat478 It's the truth. Children learn basic social skills from parents. Parents who are lazy or just don't spend much time with their kids inadvertently raise them to not understand social cues that allow them to converse and relate to others. Some of it happens at school with exposure to others, yes. But more of it happens at home. I mentioned post Millennials because they don't remember before the internet and many of them don't even know what a family dinner looks like.

    • @RagnarokMasta
      @RagnarokMasta 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@visceratrocar Nah, my dad before he died and as I was growing up had me constantly meeting people or just walking places with him as he was what you would think of as a social butterfly kind of guy.
      Society is just not very nice to people who may have some social awkwardness or don't feel like hanging in clubs for hours on end just chatting. I ran a club in college and paying job was basically working as a bridge for people who are looking to expand their college careers, working with counselors etc. Yet I don't really care for constant social gatherings or club hopping, nor care for sports. And society will make fun of you for that, as if its a given you just constantly date, constantly drink out with colleagues, constantly participate in 'x' gathering for the sake of gathering. If that's you, that's fine, but some of us find that exhausting.

    • @visceratrocar
      @visceratrocar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not everyone is an extrovert. Like you said social butterflies are going to socialize regardless. I'm deeply introverted and my family didn't do much to help that. We didn't eat together, we didn't go out and do things as a family, we just didn't bother being close. SO MANY introverts have the same experience. It's like people prefer to have extroverts they can play sports with and push the naturally socially awkward types aside. You're right that it's society. It's every single facet of society down to the nuclear family. I really believe that the majority of introverts would have an easier time socializing of their families would just put in the extra effort to help them overcome their natural awkwardness.

    • @michaelyoung5613
      @michaelyoung5613 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      No one is immune to propoganda.

  • @berese5826
    @berese5826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We can't stand boredom any longer and immediately twitch the mobile phone at the queue in the supermarket to give us our latest information shot.

  • @Hitherto90
    @Hitherto90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Internet is making us dumb, got it.

  • @srgreeniii
    @srgreeniii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    ADHD, I'm wired for youtube.

  • @krissifadwa
    @krissifadwa 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The amount of employees I have worked with in the past that displayed poor memory, due to staring at screens all of the time, scrolling and searching, which leads to having a very low span for holding attentiveness on a task (whether it is learning something new, memorization or simply listening to someone else) is astonishing! At this point, it's actually too late. It's like they are afraid to experience being bored.

  • @schiffelers3944
    @schiffelers3944 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Math and Chinese; the abacus vs the calculators. In Chinese culture one can count to 31 on one hand, if I am not mistaken, as Europeans (me) only count up to 5 with one hand. *1 is the thumb; 2 is the index/pointer finger;* 3 is thumb and index finger; *4 is the middle finger;* 5 is middle finger and thumb; 6 is middle finger and index; 7 is the middle finger the index finger, and thumb; *8 is the ring finger;* 9 is ring-finger and thumb, 10 is index finger and ring-finger, 11 is the thumb, pointer, and ring-finger, 12 is middle finger and ring-finger. 13 is thumb, middle and ring-finger, 14 is middle finger, and index finger, 15 is thumb, index, middle and ring finger, and *the pinky is number value 16.* and you can make the list further. 16 + 15 = 31. Boom, mind blown! At least mine was the first time.

  • @schiffelers3944
    @schiffelers3944 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    IMO *The thing with books is you own them.* With digital books a problem occurs and your collection is gone, your access is gone etc. (I know the clout but still.) *The content of a book closet, or the cover on the book you are reading in public tells something about you.* Like the clothing people wear to self-express. Something that is lost in digital format. A different example is: You can't read because battery is low etc. It is about the *physical owning.* A book is physical because you are physically doing more with your body and eyes that, reading on a kindle. One thing people spoke about missing in the smell of the books, etc. But the read content also is mental and not just a physical process, if you do something with it.
    I collect data, and process it, but in this age and time the processing is what takes the time and effort. I don't stick to one field of expertise, but look at overlapping fields and content. Before the collecting also took more effort. Now it is at your finger tips, but also buried in a load of dis-information.
    Take corona as an example, Trump found some of those 'Doctors' that promoted his bias.
    Also with the data collection one needs to be careful for data contaminations.
    Also if given the time I like to collect data in multiple languages/cultures.
    But again this takes more time, time is money, and a luxury item now days.
    (Minus this corona time, that offers more 'free' time).
    And the complaint of old, that only grew, is; the lacking of time in a day, to do or achieve all you wanted.
    New day, new overload on BS, especially in Trump times.
    You want/need new informational input, or is there time to process collected data.
    And this only works if the lower needs are met in *the pyramid of needs (Maslow).* Which for many people is not always the case.
    Basic needs, social needs, psychological needs, and self actualization needs. If *the physical/basic needs* are not met, all the other needs loose focus.
    If the safety and security needs are not met, all the above in hierarchy loose focus. Now there is the notion that only in the self actualization needs, so once you achieved that level, this can keep you distracted form lower needs in not in dire need. Skipping meals, or social contact when "obsessed"/absorbed.
    Like losing track of time when getting sucked up in the story of the book one is reading.

  • @ivankaspeadsforquincyjones9273
    @ivankaspeadsforquincyjones9273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like he said there is information that supports every belief and that leads to people who only want to win an argument instead of being right

  • @chriswalker7632
    @chriswalker7632 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've got to say that I understand economic texts much better when I burn them: it's all just thermodynamics to me.

  • @dats3
    @dats3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With regards to books, I think what Carr may have been trying to say as to why books persevere is they anchor you to a task in a that an e-book cannot. I bought a Kindle when they first came out and I hated it. Mostly, for me at least, the technology itself was distracting making it difficult more me to stay focused. Good interview.

  • @berese5826
    @berese5826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is also an amplification phenomenon: beliefs being permanently reinforced and confirmed inside your personal information bubble.

  • @zvonomirzuboronovic8662
    @zvonomirzuboronovic8662 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was super interesting.

  • @RosiDarling
    @RosiDarling 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to say my opinion on this is 50/50 for and against printed books, for and against digital media. There are situations where digital media is more efficacious, such as work tasks. It makes work more efficient, accurate, and fast. In the technology field, this is most important.
    Physical books can be taken anywhere, anytime, but can be heavy if you want a lot of content when you are on vacation. Before Kindle, I had some horrifically heavy suitcases.
    I consume content from multiple platforms, PC, iphone, ipad, physical books, physical gaming platforms, Roku TV, I could go on.
    But here's the thing, I should be retired, but I'm still working. My body may be rotting from the inside, but my mind is weirdly still very active. I can focus as much as I need to, to put together training materials, configuring databases, or just waste time on an iPad game. So, the question is: Is my over-active mind at 70 a result of digital media, or genetics?

  • @Anthropomorphic
    @Anthropomorphic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The way I've been thinking of it recently is that our current situation with information and entertainment is roughly equivalent to where much of the developed world was with food a couple of decades ago. For most of human history, the idea of watching what you ate, counting calories, and so on was ludicrous because food simply wasn't that easily available. Much as we've had to develop methods to regulate our food intake in order to stay healthy, we may have to figure out ways to maintain some sort of content diet.
    And yeah, this obviously applies mainly to the wealthier parts of the world.

  • @misteryman526
    @misteryman526 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ancient Skalds probably complained bitterly that writing down the Poetic Edda instead of memorizing the 3+ hours of poems was destroying people's brains.

  • @boyfrmnewyork
    @boyfrmnewyork 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"...

  • @AlchemicalForge91
    @AlchemicalForge91 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    being lean and fit along with having a long attention span and ability to articulate one’s self will be a marker of a better human being by every standard the further time goes by, simple fact, sadly moving towards more of a Wall-E future rather than a bright and enlightened mankind.

  • @flyindevil
    @flyindevil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The harder we stare the more complete the disintegration

  • @SethAndrews111
    @SethAndrews111 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is kinda true, I used to be a really good speller now my spelling sucks because i always rely on auto correct.

  • @Bioniking
    @Bioniking 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would watch this but I got distracted

  • @ewaszorek3591
    @ewaszorek3591 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Internet has changed our life in every way. Although there two sides to every story. What we would do without internet during this pandemic? Access to the internet can be matter of life and death. People can work from home. Children don't have to go to school. Online learning, online shopping, banking or entertainment. You can get medical advice online. I've heard Catholics was considering online confession, but I'm not sure if it's possible. (I don't sin so I don't care) :)

  • @Dutch2go
    @Dutch2go 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I strongly prefer books over ebooks or e-content. Retention is better, and they smell better too, haha.

  • @peuptyhaha
    @peuptyhaha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who else had the CC on?

  • @avecrali
    @avecrali 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a term 'distraction addiction'

  • @mocha753
    @mocha753 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow, information paralysis, story of my life

  • @spaghettimonstersjudgingyo504
    @spaghettimonstersjudgingyo504 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get most of my information from left and center sources. Accept I read a lot of scientific papers on the topics covered in that information. At least the tings where that's possible. You can't get more impacial than science. So it gives me a high degree of confidence I'm making the right choices since I conform my opinions to the consensus most of the time. The partisan bent of that has more to do with the state of the issues facing America than partisan politics atm.

  • @MaJoRMJR
    @MaJoRMJR 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My book shelves (all 3 book cases in my house, plus a few extr places) are full to overflowing with books, however, not many of them have ever been read more than once. I wonder how many people also hold on to their books having read them only once and probably will never read them again.
    I'm actually considering getting a kindle because we've ran out of shelf space for more books.
    During lockdown I've increased my reading so much that the pile of books I had that would have seen me through the year has run out and I've had to order in a load more (with no where to put them)

  • @nanasshi0711
    @nanasshi0711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i like the book

  • @jamesmillar5951
    @jamesmillar5951 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't completely disagree, I mean yes we're going to be using different parts of our brain, but near to the end of the video I was like... ok boomer.

  • @NovaGN
    @NovaGN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually true, very sad

  • @DougGrinbergs
    @DougGrinbergs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Infinite sources, data for analysis paralysis (:-(

  • @scientious
    @scientious 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Somewhere between 1/3rd and 1/2 of this was correct. The effects seem accurate but the stated causes often are not.

  • @theveganvillainess
    @theveganvillainess 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I refuse to read long articles that are like pages long and sound like a novel. Just cut the bullshit and get straight to the facts. That is what website owners are going to have to realize. Oh and those idiotic recipes that have pages and pages reflecting on their Christmas back in 1972 and warm cozy nights by there fire, etc. Nobody reads that garage! Just give me the damn recipe.

  • @SG-qm7to
    @SG-qm7to 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh, i forgot. Flerfs and trumpist are pretty much the same.

  • @gretareinarsson7461
    @gretareinarsson7461 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The world has never been as educated and never had as easy access to information and still we end up with Trump, Putin, Orban, Erdogan etc. It makes me question how we “digest” information and how we read. Does anyone want to comment?

    • @paulmcgonigle2379
      @paulmcgonigle2379 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      smart phones ...... stupid people

    • @schiffelers3944
      @schiffelers3944 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe it depends on the definition you use when you say educated/programmed/consumed propaganda's?
      One difference in education, or so I heard, is the use of multiple choice, versus open questions.
      American is a multiple choice paradise compared to some other nations. (So Americans told me, that studied abroad.)
      I know from my days at school, one did not need to study as hard if it was a multiple choice test.
      Also don't use it - loose it/forget it. That is often why 8th graders are smarter than... if you know that show?
      Also education, these differ and have different formats. The difference in education depending on social levels, or social-economical levels.
      Different nations different schooling systems, different grading systems, etc. Some nations score/place 'better'/higher.

    • @RagnarokMasta
      @RagnarokMasta 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because even if we have information at our fingertips, the desire to ingest and disseminate that information is about the same as it was years ago before the Internet. Plus you can add in the general tiredness of the populace in the day to day, on top of just natural intelligence. Lots of factors, but trying to boogeyman technology seems not only counterproductive but also low hanging fruit from the type of culture whose only input for kids is telling them to go outside at every second to get rid of them so they can hypocritically watch sports/soaps/game shows, being equally as bad as trying to let the Internet raise your child lol.

    • @schiffelers3944
      @schiffelers3944 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RagnarokMasta I get your point and mostly can agree. But then open up the new can of worms: Safety and Children on the internet. What is the right age. etc.
      internet bullying, internet grooming by child abusers??? The 'big' world only got smaller, but the monsters stayed the same. Life got easier for us, and also for them. The concrete jungle became a digital one.
      Where before we had to obtain the knowledge we now only need to know how to work google. God forbid, we are without service. Or GPS sends us out into the desert. (Child bug's, fit-bits showing secret military bases, etc.) Privacy is lost.
      No need to go to confessions anymore. The internet is the church, recorded histories and recorded future. AI governance.
      I believe that is part of the discussion point. We don't write things down in stone anymore but that will last longest form all. We don't write it down in copper, or other metals, not on paper, but digital. Why more and weighs less. You agree this is a kind of reverse productivity into laziness? It's faster and easier. Like fast foods are not healthy in the long run. Not that one could never eat fast food, but as main source?

  • @echd1
    @echd1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the CC are wrong

  • @riva85
    @riva85 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just wanna know who in the world put the closed captions in this video cuz it's talking about Joe Biden and Trump lmao

  • @alistairgalt6529
    @alistairgalt6529 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the words of McAnany, I would refer you to the Dream Warriors,
    th-cam.com/video/iLDso1d0DkE/w-d-xo.html

  • @SomePython
    @SomePython 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, destroyed my brain by giving me free access to resources that have changed my life, increased income, and connect with family.
    I think you need to be more specific. If you don't want to use social media, don't. It's not hard.

  • @87omero
    @87omero 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    He wants everyone to stay off twitter because of the vp pick XD lmao dog where’s the Vice President pick video lmao

  • @Turquoise_Shores
    @Turquoise_Shores 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Book store good. Why kid go to internet store?

    • @Chaturbate_Billy
      @Chaturbate_Billy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because internet store has free naughty books.

  • @eclecticism3086
    @eclecticism3086 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    David, when you're going to ask the interviewee a question, don't feed him the answer you want him to give or expect him to give during the asking of it. It's condescending and patronizing both to the interviewee and to the audience. Referring to the second question you asked in this interview

  • @foodz8947
    @foodz8947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok Boomer

  • @ivankaspeadsforquincyjones9273
    @ivankaspeadsforquincyjones9273 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Like he said there is information that supports every belief and that leads to people who only want to win an argument instead of being right

  • @saphricpcgaming5182
    @saphricpcgaming5182 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok Boomer.