Grading Colorless Commander Staples of EDHREC | Which Colorless Staples are Worth Playing?
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- Which colorless staples are the most playable? We've got answers!
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Welcome back to the beloved series "Grading Staples," where we take the top 30 most played cards of a given color according to EDHrec and discuss our opinions on their playability, cuttability, and power! - เกม
8:50 Nifty AF. I respect the grade 😊
You are a good one
@@NitpickingNerds You guys aren't too shabby either! Keep up the great content! 😀
This is definitely Mitch replying here isn't it? Hi Mitch!
@@KevinBushman No, but I believe that WB is one of Mitch's patrons.
@@slavecek ah that would make sense too. I am amused by this account.
"Arcane signet goes in every deck without green"
Me, with my colorless deck: Well, that was a lie.
Same
Arcane signet can't produce colorless mana. That's not legal, so no reason to play it on any colorless deck, unless you don't know Magic rules.
Edit: I didn't watch the video yet, so I dunno if this was explained.
@@jonassilva2099 it wasn't, hence the joke.
@@jonassilva2099 Well you can play it. It just doesn't tap for mana.
We had counters in blue, we had tutors in black, we had ramp in green NOW FOR MANA ROCKS
Every color has their thing! Except white sorry white. For some reason red was really mediocre spells 😂
Shhh, this is good good for everyone but green lol
@@NitpickingNerds i mean... White good for life gain + mass artifact/emchantment removal?
@@williamhayduk6865 white is just a bad green
Just starting the video and really appreciated the "lower the grade = bigger reason you need to play it" really skips all the corner cases and budget call outs. In a perfect world we'd all choose the best cards but as someone who can't ($$$$) I still quite enjoy listening to your opinions. Regardless if mine differ or not. Hope you guys continue to grow. Also, love the YT shorts. Keep it up!
Thanks for the kind words! Nobody will ever have the exact same opinions on cards so disagreeing is ok
*old man voice* back in my day, darksteel ingot was GREAT mana rock for edh. And we would run explosive vegetation in every deck!
"Boros needs card draw."
Feather: "I'm sorry, was that some sort of joke that I'm too redeemed to understand?"
Please make episodes on staples within each color pair 💓💓💓 please please please! It's going to be so much fun to watch ^^
I'm positive others enjoy this series, too ^^
huge fan of these grading videos! honestly great to watch keep it up
We’ve got gold cards to run through and we might even swing back around to mono colors :D
It’s awesome to see you two grow in the Magic community, when I first watched I was unimpressed. I’ve recently subscribed and tune in almost every video. You’ve won me over, keep up the great work guys!
You guys are literally the best channel out there right now for edh before i watched you guys my deck were like a 4-5 power level. but now when i follow your advice they are like 7-9. ( i only have one 9 that i only really play when my friend pulls out his jhoira storm deck )
Wow, that's great! Really cool that you got to the power levels you were hoping for :D
Goddarn, respect picking up what you love and proclaiming it as your passion pushing it above your old job. I hope the best for you in that endeavor!
Should've just given Sol Ring the appropriate S grade
Or the A++++++++++++
@@NitpickingNerds nah it has to be S tier because anime does it
Recently came across the channel and loving it, thanks for all the great content. I gotta say, I love having 2-3 BROKEN lands in every deck (Coffers, Eye Of Ugin, etc) so I love me some Expedition Map. Then again, I have an unhealthy affinity for Eldrazi and play Tron in several formats, so maybe I'm biased! Very fair grades all around.
Hey thanks for the kind words, glad you're enjoying our stuff!
I’m glad you guys came around on mana vault, it’s an insane magic card
Worn Powerstone isn't amazing, but playing Thran Dynamo into Worn Powerstone feels pretty great
I'll share your content. I am happy for you guys to make this your living! And I say you have had impact on how I build commander decks. You guys eleborate and give the math on why these said popular cards are inefficient. I see them being inefficient compared to your suggestions.
So I wanna say thank you
- Big fan from CA
Amazing to hear! Makes us super happy to read comments like yours :D
@@NitpickingNerds the way you tips and edh knowledge pearls have impacted my deckbuilding is amazing, no other channel have had this impact, not only in terms of win rate, but also in terms of how good my decks feel and run after implementing changes based on your videos.
Thanks for the nice sunshine my boys. Another excellent rated video.
Happy to provide you with enjoyable content! :D
You guys are amazing ! Much love
Sending the love right back!
Binge watching your content as anew player and it would have been so helpful if y'all did the graph In the end for visual representation. big props for overlaying the card pics while y'all discuss it👍
I just came from the red staples and my brain hurt when I saw you guys in the same shirts.
Btw, you guys rock! Thank you for helping me build a deck that consistently beats my friends 😄
I love how in Teysa karlov, skullclamp draws you 4 cards. That's messed up
Feels so good though..draw 4 for 1 mana, can't beat the value 👍
One if my all time favorite decks for sure.
@@Tyzam Teysa is my fav as well. My playgroup hates it tho. Dictate of Erebos is backbreaking
Keeping both in play is the challenge tho
@@darksteelmenace595 yeah, same with korvold for me, I can never keep him out for long unless I have boots or greaves or something
You are the best already guys :)
The bookcase short was genuinely delightful
Thanks so much, we had a lot of fun making it as we do with all our flavor fail shorts 😄
You're making more TH-cam Channels EVERY DAY? Aw, man, I gotta keep up! I'm only subbed to this one!
I do only watch/listen at work. It helps!
Joe Cherries you got me with the "well maybe they're at work" at the very end 🤣
Also congrats to you guys for continuing to grow, especially you Beezy since you just made the big choice to quit your other job to do this full time. Much love and luck to both of you. Stay awesome. See you at the top! See you on Game Knights! See you ON THE MOON
Stay posted for updates about the first ever MOON GAMEPLAY commander vid!
@@NitpickingNerds HELL YES.
Might wanna have a certain someone return to give a disclaimer or two about playing on the moon though haha
I'm the only one who wants to see these tips as gameplay? Big fan of your work guys.
100% gameplay is coming. We're finally in our new place, and are mostly settled in!
your videos are one of the reasons i even want to wake up in the morning. top 3 reasons.
Appreciate that Lunar, we've got daily content coming for as long as it's possible!
Another great vid. Thank you for the entertainment bz & joe
We love you DJ
@@NitpickingNerds it’s not a competition but I love you more 😉
To answer your question, Joe, I watch your videos at my job EVERY DAY.
I think it's really good to see few really low grades for the most popular colorless spells. It's an interesting thing but makes a lot of sense
Sword of the animist is really good it single handedly up my syr gwen deck (i aggressively go for the sword early game)
Loving Beezy's increasingly wild intro gestures
always really helpful to a beginner like me
Thank you, that's one of our main goals with this series!
I love how they are like always passively arguing with each other
There was a time when you could play Darksteel Ingot and it didn't feel terrible for it to be included in precons. Now it's probably the card of which I have the most removed exemplars lying around. And Arcane Signet is the main culprit for that.
Whispersilk cloak is good for decks that care about your commander living through your attack steps. In my case, that would be a Yidris, in yours most likely an Etali. Try it out and see what happens. Not saying it's great, but there are A LOT of commanders that care about attacking or dealing combat damage.
Faster snappier presentation, maybe a little too much, but I think its a good fix for people just coming to look for information that are new and looking for the tldr. Of course I'm always gonna vote for longer videos so 😁
I can't seem to find it but since this serie is over I'd love to do a "Recursion" top 10 !
As a graveyard lover I find interesting to see what you do think about past in flame, Goblin welder, Underworld Breach, Eternal Witness... Ect
First time I've caught a video this early 😁 Sol Ring is so OP I'm surprised it's on the list, I only have one deck it's not in, my mono green elves deck, I traded it out for a Wood Elves 😏
Feel wrong lol 😂
just use it. I use it in 3/4 colour and it's still broken
Modern horizons 2 just gave us orinithopter of paradise and I’ve added it to a bunch of my decks just because it’s a 2 mana rock and a flying creature
Cherries actually just added it in his Inniaz deck to try out
Tazri II loves Arcane Signet, since she required specific mana to recruit Party-Goers, G R U B .
I always struggle to make room for Lightning Greaves, but I feel it is good as so long as your Commander is an engine, people will want to remove it. The haste is just gravy.
Chromatic Lantern is way cheaper mana fixing than Shocks, Fetchlands and the like in 5 colors, they need to reprint it more often, it should be budget like The World Tree.
Spicy is... Oddly accurate for these cards
Also nice of beezy to flash us an 👌 for every card, big help and laughs
Looking forward to multicolor grading :)
Oh it's a coming
0:26 you guys are making more youtube channels every day??? Sign me up!!! 😅😂
Lol 😂 we had to cut because I laughed lol 😂
Deflecting Swat the Aetherflux Reservoir activation, pretty funny to see (Aetherflux and Bolas' Citadel are probably actual targets for something like a Krosan Grip)
Aetherflux yes but could citadel just dies to ant removal.
I love arcane signet and I love that it’s so widely available.
It’s nice to have a staple so available
I have flashbacks to the brawl decks that were like $50 and signet was selling for like $20 lol
@@loganmunoz5373 the eldraine brawl decks ?
That good ass feeling when you untap gilded lotus twice per turn using griffter/mind over matter
For mono black, (especially Tergrid), expedition map is good when you tutor out an Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to combo off with Dread Presence.
I actually use mass destruction sometimes. The Ingot is useful.
When should I look to play Manascape Refractor? I was thinking about trying it in Gonti.
I can’t go home, I’m at work for four more hours. But I appreciate the sentiment!
But now you're only at work for THREE more hours! Hang in there!
Deece
TY, TY
Agree with these grades pretty much universally. Surprised not to see Mox Amber though. A card I'd give a solid B to, haha. Fantastic in the decks that want it, but is definitely not for every deck
We all know Wayfarer’s Bauble is A+++
Like to run my Aesi Deck, but removed Arcaneg Signet...seems to be better honestly.
Thought vessel is included due the amount card draw I have....
Whispersilk Cloak as a C baffles me as a Kaalia player. I need her to smack away without the worry of her dying to trigger so for my deck it's more like a B+ / A-
Budget mono red bosh has a few 2 drops, many 3 drop rocks, and only hedron and ur golems eye as the 4 drops. I do have basalt, rings, and forsaken monument, so i can get infinite, along with Kuldotha to help tutor them out. Its a fun deck but is literally ramp, cast bosh, throw rocks lol.
OK cool!
Congrats on waking up not having to work!
How will the gold staples be separated? Like per pair or all together?
Correct me if im wrong but wouldnt Nykthos be the next best land to get with Expedition Map if you dont have Coffers, Cradle, Valakut, or Field???
Depends on what your playing nykthos doesnt do much if you dont have a decent devotion need a minimum of 4 for it to break even
And some decks vesuva or even maze of ith are better
Expedition map can get me my wirewood lodge for an explosive marwyn turn as well
I like that!
Ok, but solem in a sac deck is amazing. Ramp, 2/2, draw a card, and a death and or sac trigger!
$10 from chromatic wont really do much land wise unless you want to buy $0.25 filler tap lands. Prices be crazy. Shocks are $8-25 a piece. Fetches are twice that. Battlebond lands are $15-30.
Yes!
Chromatic Lantern is being underrated, it is so good for budget 5 color decks, just like The World Tree.
You guys talked a lot about deck velocity in this video.. here's to hoping that you guys cover about improving a deck's card velocity in the future
I am totally at work.
Can you grade Empowering Generator? Pls and thank you. Some say it's okay, weak or really good
Would you say Solemn Simulacrum is good in say, a Lonis, Cryptozoologist deck focused on artifact synergies and ETBs?
Lol. Cabal coffers on the list is hilarious
I think we need untapped Worn Powerstone and a cycle of untapped 2 mana rocks that each tap for 1 color, and I think they should have made that cycle instead of Arcane Signet
The only EDH deck I have currently or have had in the past without sol ring is my enchantress deck because I run Stony silence and some destroy all artifacts cards in it.
And for that reason, I’m out. lol, that was great!
"Boros needs card draw"
_laughs in Lorehold._
Ah... The cycle is complete. Guilds, shards, and wedges next?
My playgroup uses on average 4 boardwipe spells a game so ingot is pretty much the only rock I have that can survive. I know it sucks but I would definitely give it a D.
Do Rakdos next
What was the grade for Amulet of Vigor?
Would you play chromatic lantern in ragavan?
Would you guys run skull clamp in a big red/green stompy deck where the focus is more towards big (less clampable) creatures but has your run-of-the-mill one drop mana dorks as well? Commander is Hans if the idea of putting his brain in a clamp helps in anyway.
Yes
@@MatthiasMatcha it is done.
Yeah I think you could definitely try that. I'd be curious to see how it goes!
@@NitpickingNerds will report back once the jovial Nord has taken a sufficient number beatings while wearing his brain helmet 👌
Chromatic Lantern in a 5 colour deck is pretty good I think?
Arcane signet doesn’t work in colorless commander decks.
It's like the new Beezy, he doesn't work 🤣
@Roberto At first I was like "What?" and then I was like "Ohhhhh!"
I low key like commander sphere xd
I high-key love that little rock
I honestly only play chromatic lantern in my five color decks
What do you grade mox opal?
Mana Crypt is an S + if I’ve ever seen one, I had to grab one when Double Masters dropped. That and Force of Will are the most expensive singles I’ve ever bought and I don’t regret a bit of it.
Force of will is such a cool card I don’t
Blame you. Slam dunk both flavor wise and mechanics
Fellwar stone is nice because at lest can give colorless, which is similar to a mindstone, but it's not _so much_ useful. B? Nah, I would say C+ unless you use N>=3 colors, going to B- and B at five colors.
Chromatic lantern. Yeah it requires a 3-color decks or more, but why I would put it? Because I can't afford all possible fetchlands and shockland or triomes for a penta-Slivers or penta-Angels. I'm not alone, surely (not talking about the deck, but just the $ ).
23:30 I have a soft spot for Darksteel Ingot because is a nice foil from when I started playing M:tG (2006 or less), but that's an awesome representation of powercreep: Skycleave is precisely the same PLUS a way to sink leftover mana to produce a better Gilded Lotus (you know, 3 artifacts rather than one and freedom in choosing the colors). Poor, lovely foil Darksteel Ingot
the only deck that i dont think sol ring is entirely necessary is something like slivers or 5 color Niv Mizzet, but that entirely depends on how mana intensive the spells are in comparison to their overall mana cost. Otherwise, its as much as an auto-include as your commander.
Grade my early comment
Eh, kind of low effort, but really good timing. Over all, C-
Comanders sphere was fun in my emry deck
I really like that card, I have a personal love for it -Beezy
@@NitpickingNerds I took a lot of inspiration from your video on Emry. It was great
Dark steel ingot should be a D because it’s pretty good when your deck is around turning artifacts into creatures
That’s like incredibly niche
What I want to know with these high priced cards is which is worth the investment? Should people try to get a mana crypt at $90 or invest that in two $45 cards instead? Which cards should be the top of the wishlist regardless of cost and which can wait while you make due with budget alternatives?
As with most things, it depends. Do you have an absolute favorite deck that you want to optimize? By all means, get a Crypt. But if you build a lot of decks, that makes less sense. If you are the type who builds a lot of decks, it makes more sense to make sure all your decks have Sol Ring/Signets/Talismans/Felwar Stones than it does to make one deck a little better with Crypt. Or buy one and proxy.
Curious how you feel about talismans and signets?
Dunno about them, but basically every deck I build starts with the relevant signets. And Talismans I'm starting to like now that I've gone from "Eh, I'd rather run Ingot" to "Wait, hold the fuck up, THEY COST 2!?"
It is funny how like skull clamp is so stupidly good that it transcends a bad grade for needing a bit of work around because if even like 10% of your deck works with it then hot damn that gonna be like 10+ cards drawn alone
I wouldn't run mana crypt in anything below power level 5 personally. It's great normally but if the meta is beatdown and you're regularly going to turn 10+ the ramp can become redundant and the damage can be a burden.
Oh no... the bookcase was mentioned again at the end... THERE’S NO ESCAPE
Are we being taken over? I don't want to go!
What's the grade of Heraldic Banner?
What's the reason for the grade difference between Dark Ritual and Mana Vault? Or just a change in evaluation?
The fact that it's a permanent adds so much to it; you can save it for the turn you need the mana, and it can eventually be used again, and it can be recurred super easily, as well as can trigger a multitude of synergy cards
@@NitpickingNerds That makes sense, thanks!
My friend plays cloak in his sigarda deck gets kinda nuts
Outside of basic land types, is there another Alpha design card that still sees as much play as the lowly Sol Ring?
@@Spootprime I would still think Sol Ring tops both of those. Granted, it being reprinted into the ground helps 😜
Demonic tutor is imo the best card in the format. Its any card in your deck for only 2 mana!!