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- Clip of Vivienne Westood's appearance on Wogan with Sue Lawley on BBC1 in 1988 with fellow guests Russell Harty and Janet Street-Porter.
The audience respond to Vivienne's "Time Machine" collection by laughing at the models in the studio.
This clip which features commentary from Colin McDowell and Peter York is taken from "Fashion versus the BBC" which was shown on BBC4 in January 2009 as part of its "Timeshift" series.
Dame Vivienne Westwood passed away peacefully in London on 29 December 2022. - บันเทิง
Why invite her on the show to present her work only to laugh at and mock her and her artwork. As an artist that is an absolute nightmare, the most humiliating and frightening thing to even think about. 30 years later and Westwood is the only person on that stage remembered. She's an icon and an artistic genius.
Er, not exactly. What about JS-P?
@@tami8458 good point both of you.
It’s sad that someone’s invited with one context and it becomes a comedy piece.
Can you imagine if a male designer like Jean Paul Gaultier was asked on with his designs for costuming for Fifth Element to be featured (have o got that right?) and then the audience looks at Gary Oldmans (Zorg?) outfit askance with chuckling. No one would be laughing at film costuming or at plotting ridiculousness…..
Then how about not making absolute 💩💩💩 then? How many other designers get laughed at? ZERO
@@gunsharck she invented punk. Might be worth educating yourself before making such superficial comments
@@gunsharck Zero culture. How do you think we arrived at thee nike air max your wearing by making plain black boots for ever?
Bold , unapologetic, ages ahead of her time .. such a young soul … Rest in peace Queen of kings road 😢
I remember being a kid watching this. It was horrible, and I felt really sorry for her. Its 2022 now. Russel Harty is long dead, and Sue Lawley is long forgotten. However, Dame Westwood, is 81 years old, still working, a legend in her field, and has a net worth of around $200 million. Who’s laughing now?😂
And JS-P, who defended Vivienne, is still working in the media.
Well she's dead now too
@@dariakwiatkowskowa2039 I just saw the news. Lots of people dying this last few months. Wonder why?
@@tz7813 yes, unfortunately. May they all rest in peace. I don't know why, but I noticed the same. Ever since the passing of the Queen I've noticed people dying everywhere.
@@dariakwiatkowskowa2039 Yeh, everyone dying? Must be nothing? Oh, well.
I remember seeing this at the time and feeling so angry and sorry for Vivienne that I turned the tv off. She's an amazing and iconic designer.
She truly is! I’m only 23 so I didn’t watch this at the time but watching this clip disgusts me. I met Vivienne at my workplace in clapham last week and she was incredibly sweet. She came up to me and complimented my Afro and style and we talked about fashion and the environment and music from the 70s and 80s. She’s so humble and talented and I’m glad that she’s left her mark on the industry and world!!🙌🏿💜
Me too - it was disgusting and pathetic the way the ignorant audience behaved, sneering at things they didn’t have the imagination to appreciate. Can’t stand Sue Lawley - she was such a cold, snarky b*tch on desert island disks.
LOLOLOL 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
...with a sense of humour
@@MRAAng-on2jg "Disgusts me" - lol, you mug.
Well done Janet for supporting Vivienne, one of our first class designers!
Totally agree Collette. Lawley was encouraging Harty and should have shut him down. But that doesn’t make “good telly” does it?!
Was this before or after Harty was leathered by Grace Jones for conducting a conversation behind her back.
Twice.
I know Grace sometimes came across as a bit tricky but you can hardly blame her for having her guard up around Harty if this is how he conducted himself. And my guess is that he was as nice as pie off camera ??? Can anyone shed light on it?! 💡
@@mhoppy6639 Harty's famous slap from Grace Jones was many years before this. Indeed this must have been one of Harty's last TV appearances - it was broadcast in early 1988 and Harty died of hepatitis in June of that year.
RIP Vivienne, you absolute icon. The rest of them can go you know what themselves.
RIP Viv, never underestimate the power of clothing. So much of the 70s and 80s was defined by what you wore. Everybody was unemployed, and your identity was what group you belonged to, rockers, new romantic, punks, goths, new wavers. Viv was so influential in so many lives. They were who they were, because of her. Clothing doesnt mean much, but when its all you have, it is everything you hold on to.
Everybody was unemployed?
@@gwynnethcoan761 its a reach - but in some towns up north I wouldnt say its too much
of a reach
That red dress was beautiful, Those clothes are gorgeous. The First skirt suit was lovely.
I never thought I'd say this, but... Here goes... WELL DONE, JANET STREET PORTER!
I remember this being aired in the 80's and being very angry; shame you can't see it here, but Michael Clark danced onto the studio set, which was great. Sue lawley and Russel Harty were both tedious middle england bulley's.
Think i watched this when it was on, loved how Vivian handled it she kept her cool and carryed on whist they took the mick nice one Janet for sticking up for her!!
Just because the audience laughed it doesn't detract from Viviennes flare ...
This interview must have been in mind when they made the Alan Partridge interview series fashion sketch in the '90s. Even Russell Harty is like Partridge here.
I felt for Vivienne so much. A world class designer who should not of been mocked. Hurrah for Janet!
Why shouldn't she be mocked as anyone else might? That's nonsense. She's just a fucking person, she's not a bloody demigod, just a shitting, farting, pissing person who makes clothes that some like and some don't.
@@shylinh5939 Because there wasn't anything to laugh at. Her clothes are lovely and timeless. Vivien is an icon of British punk design, yet those designs were quite subtle. Only ones looking stupid are the sheep laughing.
@@SuzLa1 You don't find her clothes funny or ridiculous, some people do, that's it. People aren't sheep because they don't like Westwood's stuff, it's entirely subjective. Unsurprisingly, I don't consider myself to be sheeplike simply because I believe she and her overpriced garments are hugely overrated. If you want to cast people as sheep, think of those unfortunate buggers who buy Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop crap until it's out of stock. Not appreciating the ideas a fashion designer comes up with is perfectly acceptable.
@@SuzLa1 In what way are they sheep? I'd say the brainless lefty ponces who blindly accept all that shite as art are the real sheep.
Ha Ha. The woman couldn’t design a pair of knickers. She’s just a joke but she can’t see it.
Just like the scene in Knowing Me Knowing You
Ahaaaaaaa!
She maintained herself as a lady of class;)
Rest in Peace Viv🕊❤
I love Janet Street Porter, I love her even more now seeing how she stood up for one of the best designers in the world. The sad people laughing would have been wearing a floral dress and Granny’s apron…what would the audience know about fashion
Exactly. People are wearing far more outrageous clothes today and nobody looks twice
Westwood knew exactly what she was doing by appearing on this show: It was a two-fingered gesture to the Establishment. Her whole MO was to provoke and cajole with her look and artwork/fashion statements. I found her fascinating because she looked like a (rather posh) librarian or school principal who was experimenting with being outlandish.
posh? I thought she looked like a char lady
The way they treated her infuriates me every time I see it.
Hey great clip! I'm glad the 'chip shop' model speaks up and defends herself!
Which TV show is this taken from? Not the 'Woagn' clip, but the other actual TV show?
Thanks again!
x
3:20 can you imagine nothing better than going to sainsburys
It's quite amazing how times change, like her dress, the pom poms to me just sound cute and I found none of the clothes terrible and quite inoffensive, like one of the dresses looked a little home made but that was it. I was more shocked at the huge umbrella walkijg stick thing the guy had out of everything.
I remember hearing that as time moves on we look back and reflect differently. This is one of those moments. The presenter appearing small town. It's so provincial. It's laughable. Dame Westwood way ahead of her time. The female guest Janet clearly on her side.
But sadly it wasn't provincial, it was national and a reflection of the lack of cultural awareness in this forsaken country.
@@dodibenabba1378 Not sure that's the right way to describe it. Westwood made her name as a leading figure in the punk era, and punk and the people associated with it were deeply unfashionable and out of favour in the capitalist Thatcher-dominated mid/late 80s. It's as simple as that - regarding both punk fashion itself and the left-wing politics associated with it. Rude as it is, the interview merely reflects the mood of the times. Dame Vivienne has had the last laugh though. Those ahead of their time are often mocked.
@@kevinfowkes2327 you don't have to tell me I was there!
@@kevinfowkes2327 It was before my time so I appreciate the context thank you!
I love Janet she’s great
I can't believe i found this video. It's amazing, the clothes and the reaction. It gives me inspiration and strength that even the most talented designers work can be laughed at. Vivienne is adorable and if i was there i would have hugged her! Like a true punk and dame, she stood her ground and remained classy about it 💜
@Mr Vespa based on what grounds do you make this ignorant point.
@Mr Vespa subjective then. You don't like it, so it must be garbage. Kinda sad way of looking at things.
@Mr Vespa no talent? Come back when your even 1% as talented as most punk bands...until then dont bother wasting your breath. You have nothing but dumbass negativity vomiting out of ur pathetic system.
@Mr Vespa i can actually play 3 instruments. what was the name of your band? The prodigy? The clash? Nice try...closed minded bigot.
@Mr Vespa good job most people dont agree with you then and that your not in charge. Music plays a vital role in the lives of billions of people, yet you don't think it should be shared.
YOU ARE ACTUALLY BRAINDEAD.
I remember when this happened, I was only little. Vivienne Westwood is a fashion icon and fashion historian, I hated the behaviour at the time - it feels like an attack on the working classes - Vivienne's links with the punk movement and coming from a working class family in Derbyshire. Russell Harty is just being deliberately obtuse - clearly the mini crini isn't something designed for the purpose of doing your weekly shop, what a ridiculous thing to say. I would wear that, I love the classic tailoring and grecian inputs with the capes and overcoats. His slack jawed expression just annoys me, he looks like some weird fish that smokes 40 a day.
I'm from Leeds and remember the first time i walked past the Westwood shop in the Arcade and her clothes were astounding i remember dresses that would just blow your mind at the quality and workmanship it eschewed quality, unreal fabrics some almost carpet like and colours that reminded me of royalty purples and reds then on other days flowing thin fabrics that looked like the wind. I get its not for everyone but until you have seen her clothes up close and dressed in a window you have zero clue about this amazing lady. RIP Vivienne a true pioneer her designs now now timeless and I empore anyone visiting Leeds for the day to take a route past her shop hopefully they keep her designs in the windows even if they don't sell them!!! A true genius!!!
I agree, but I seem to remember that she was from Glossop.
Rest in Peace
Vivienne Westwood
if anyone's ever watched the episode of kmky. with alan partridge set in france with a fashion designer on called yvone boyd. Im sure this episode got to be based on this clip
Yes, I was thinking exactly the same thing
Of course it was- this Wogan show was big news then
Friggen love Janet Street Porter! Good on you girl for sticking up for an absolute icon! RIP VIVIENNE
Rest in peace vivienne
@MBHD153 were can i find the full show?
RIP Vivienne Westwood
Amazed that that arch-reactionary JSP stood up for her.
They are laughing at her, look at the trash they are wearing, probably some clearance lines from BHS or Debenhams, so fucking rude! Westwood is timeless!! Her stuff will always be in style!!!
Amir Hussain God almighty what absolute cretins the crowd and presenters are. The clothes look amazing, ahead of their time. JSP good on you.
Yes, she makes clothes for real women
crazzieddie yeah that hit a nerve, not only is she amazing, she’s humble and nice too and you can tell she’s getting annoyed
No wonder Grace Jones slapped his face on the air.
That's the guy?!
Oh who that's the guy
@@blackvirgo09 Russel Harty
He died a few months after this, in June 1988.
I didn't realise that Alan Partridge borrowed this scene lock stock for his skit with Rebecca Front, and Partridge himself aped the unsophisticated remarks of Harty.
Russell's last tv appearance. :-*
Not surprised.
@@dodibenabba1378 Well no, he means he died. Literally.
good riddance, he was a cunt.
@@BLTKellys Och, so you're a Grace Jones fan?
@Mr Vespa I never liked Grace Jones' attitudes. She was constantly in search of media exposure, so she did that night with him.
Thank you Janet Street-Porter for your integrity. Dame Vivienne Westwood demonstrated such restraint and patience regarding this absolutely appalling interview.
Wow. So rude. It’s crazy to me that they would invite her on to be so rude.
Can you imagine doing that to a designer now.
Rest in Power 🖤🖤🖤🖤
I wonder what the ‘multi-millionaire’ Vivian Westwood thinks of those who were laughing.
The Beatles became multimillionaires, but that doesn't mean they didn't have some terrible songs. The costumes on the show seemed like a comedy routine.
@@TibetanFox68 What 'terrible' songs?
@@TibetanFox68 fashion often has extravagant clothing like this shown on the runway. Elements of the designs make it into both high end and everyday clothing brands, they're not necessarily meant to be worn as entire outfits or everyday ones, only for events or inspiration (with certain items being pieced with regular clothing in a complementary way). You'll struggle to find many normal items on a runway, but they still shape the industry and set trends.
@@TibetanFox68 Maybe they seemed comedic TO YOU. These outfits are beautiful and unique, and clearly not for everyone, but that doesn't mean you can insult them.
Who are the other 3 people?
Where was Tor and Neumann?
Later sent up by Alan Partridge on Knowing Me, Knowing You...AHA!
Well done for laughing at them ...so what who cares bloody taking themselves too seriously...ooh I've never had that reaction AND??? GET OVER IT
I came to this clip specifically to laugh. Westwood's clothes are hideous. (Also, I once had the misfortune to meet her - she's a really ill-mannered troll.)
@@decodolly1535 I cant believe how it's become a sin to laugh ...so what and I have also met her in person one of my friends was doing one of her models hair for a show and she is I'll mannered and harsh not nice at all ...I loved that they laughed here here👍👏👏👏👏👏
Well done Janet!!!
A very low moment for Sue Lawley who really should have known better. You can always rely on Janet Street Porter to redress the balance. Brava Vivienne!
I love Janet SP for standing up for viv
Is this a winter collection? Yes 😂
I mean, you only have to look at the set. That sums up this “interview” alone.
Pretentious clothing and the audience could see this that is why they were laughing, like most probably television viewers were laughing too and i was one of them.
First time I've seen it and I laughed. I guess back then people were still able to reject and mock shallow celebrations of idiocy and degeneracy before all that went mainstream.
Why isn't Janet Street Porter saying anything to support Vivienne Westwood. Ok, i read that she did. Westwood's clothes were fantastic, that suit is beautifully made. If i could have worn them, i would. I loved her looks. Westwood's red dress is great. Harty and Sue Lawley were drabs, drabbos.
I was a kid in the 80s. I sometimes yearn for certain aspects of my youth; but that staid, curtain-twitching, well-to-do, anti-alternative atmosphere amongst the grown ups is something I'm glad we've moved on from. This video sums it up. Big respect to Janet Street Porter.
Alan Partridge brought me here lol
0:57, the expression on Sue Lawley's face says it all. She is now an establishment figure par excellence. But the last laugh is on VW's critics now, whatever one may think of her designs.
EXACTLY! Thank You!
vivienne can knock all of them in to a paper..there was another humiliating interveiw like this on the late late show back then where the models all had on the platforms everyone was in hysterics.. i mean janet street porter sue lawley come on ....
what i find really interesting is that people call her crazy, delusional, stupid, stuck up, out of touch, but VW is highly influenced by world history; her designs are super grounded and have a lot of context. you're all yapping on about "tradition", "good taste" and "decorum" and yet she's more aware and educated on it than you ever will be. she can definitely be shy and awkward when talking about what she loves but she knows exactly what she's reworking or tearing apart & she's having (OMG) fun with it. i have more respect for people who critique her for being a collage maker rather than an innovator (even though i disagree) than for anyone who just thinks she's pretentious or daft.
Imagine bringing "education" into. Education has nothing to do with taste. Very snobbish attitude.
They didn’t deserve her 😢
That man died that same year
i don't think it was dismissive and i also think you need to chill. pretencious
Why does he refer to the dress as a chip shop ? I can't work it out .
He means the crinkly white crinoline looks like chip paper
You have to remember this is the BBC who are so behind in anything creative and new. Thank goodness for Channel 4 they turned things on there head.
This is obviously the scene that inspired the Alan Partridge parody.
Sue who?
You have to remember that this is an audience with free tickets who expect to be entertained, they don't know who the guests are and probably think its all a joke
Considering how ridiculous some of the models look, you can't blame them.
I thought it was a joke at first. I had to check the calendar to see if it was April Fools Day! And people pay good money to wear that crap? The man’s tailored suit was the only good bit.
@@lockleaze Just because a fashion style is not what you personally like does not mean it is bad. Different people will wear different things, tailored to what they love.
It wasn't the BBC's fault - they were laughing because they were ridiculous - It wasn't rude - she was just shown as she was.... And calling Russell Harty the voice of the 'everyman' just shows how out of touch the commentator is... 612 likes after 15 years says it all...
Love u viv
Fantastic outfits. I guess the guests and audience just weren't quite ready for it.
This interview is utterly disgusting! They're so undermining! The fact you can still buy those shoes, her collection is still on point today! Proves that they're narrow minded, clueless, rude plebs that got a kick out of making someone look stupid!
Well what did you want them to do pretend that they loved her style ? in fact the laughing actually helped to put her firmly on the map of fashion it got her in the news papers, people were talking about Vivienne Westwood.
Vivian Westwood was well known for over a decade before this.she didn’t need to b ridiculed on tv for publicity.and u don’t have to pretend to like something u don’t but to bring someone on tv to humiliate them is different
I totally agree with Russell Harty, what a load of rubbish fashion that nobody in their right mind would wear, and the laughter of the audience just proves it. The gentleman’s suit at the end was beautiful tailoring, but why put it up against a fancydress display. Just attention seeking. It’s a bit like the story of the King’s New Clothes, where only the little boy could see the truth, and Russell was that boy stating the truth.
Someone from 2023 looking at the clothes and geniunely not understanding whats being laughed at👀
Who’s laughing now?
The people who can see how silly her clothes were.
💋
Terribly patronising but prime tv works in your favour people laugh but that’s their right it’s like art it brings out all sorts of emotions laughter ,disgust amazement, yes small minded people will laugh but what else can you expect on a light entertainment show it didn’t effect Vivian’s career it just enhanced it ..
Who's that old queen with the beard doing the interview? Westwood saying she's "never met this response before" just goes to show how she was a bit out of touch.
Sadly what happens when you take Art to the masses, they poke fun at what they don't understand, which is a lot and it's getting worse.
Wow so direspectful, poor Vivienne
This remind me of the Joker movie.
Vivienne‘s outfits are amazing 😻 I’d like to buy her clothes. 😃
icant believe how rude they were. its horrible!
if put on an empty potato sack will you keep telling me how great I look for the sake of fickle art. one days fashion is another's days cleaning rag. wear what you want.
Ah okay thanks.
X
She proved them all wrong, Comfortable, Safe, middle of the road fools laughing at themselves if only they knew, Vivienne took it all in her stride, if she cared she never showed it ...... Patronising Sue Lawley in her M&S day wear ..... shameful really.
Go Westwood! :)
RIP working class hero
Sue Lawley = Miss Iron Knickers.
It's funny how the audience is laughing when Vivienne is way ahead of them, cos it's 2015 and lots of those clothes are in fashion. I saw Kendall wear a tutu!!
Wogan did the same thing with david icke.
And I’m sure Wogan would have cracked up if he had been there too
When a previously normal tv presenter suddenly says they're the son of God and walks around in a hideous turquoise shellsuit, how is Terry supposed to react?
☀️☀️she was so brill and sunshine 🌞 they are ridiculous 😂
Wogan would never have allowed this behaviour had he been there that day
Watch wogan and david icke, he did the same thing!
@@Jen-qu2oo You're not wrong...
I think Wogan would have cracked up, especially when the man in the kilt danced on. Wogan didn’t stand for any nonsense.
Have you seen Wogan he is an Irish piss taker he would of been the first to ask what’s this about then ? Probably why he decided to go on holiday like he didn’t want to be sat having to defend an eccentric fashion designer at a time when people didn’t understand that expression stuff at all and were brought up in a world of power cuts miner strikers and wars , Of course today with our child like attitudes to life based on our own decadent need for nothing society we can all appreciate someone who wears clothes like that woman off the Hunger Games. I mean Lady Gaga eat ya heart out but back in the 80’s when the government was fighting miners and Argentina and society had reached a cross roads between serious WW2 1950’s black and white and the new punk revolution inspired kids of the 1960’s times were very different I mean back then there was no internet most people thought who is this mental health patient and why is she on Wogan ? But the fact people laughed is great it’s an expression of there opinions I mean GB was still at heart a very traditional country and working class people didn’t have the money to waste on these eccentric crazy clothes, Only the rich people of the upper class could do that
Why is Vivienne Westwood famous? She was the girlfriend of Malcolm Mclaren who manufactured the Sex Pistols, who were famous because they were the fashionable thing. They swore on TV, and released an anti monarchy song whilst Vivienne did the clothes. They made a name out of being rude. So why complain when one of them gets a deserving taste of her own medicine?
3:33 How sweet to be an idiot
An ignorant and misinformed comment.
@@Muirton66 yeah!!
Who’s laughing now.
Thank you Vivienne Westwood for giving me confidence not to follow Sheep 🐑 R.I.P ♥️
The audience were the judges they spontaneously laughed at ridiculous clothes.
No one made fun of her it was her ridiculous designs, a classic case of the king's new clothes when ordinary people in the audience saw them they laughed
What's the difference? It's still going to offend them if their work is mocked.
Disappointing from Sue Lawley - however Vivienne mustn’t have minded too much as she did an extensive and interesting Desert Island Discs interview with her a few years later
Janet sticking up for Art and the taxpayer
idk where is funny all look so coool bruh 👋🏼 tf crowd and intervieww
The clothes and attitude behind the clothes is too 'original' and the British have always had problems with anyone or anything that seems outside the tribe. Most of these clothes you now see people wearing; again Viv was, like most original artists, in front of the times.