Sukuna can honestly never be considered the strongest, because he needed megumi body & mahoraga to beat Gojo. If he was the strongest he would've beat Gojo without needing megumi body. & sukuna is one of my favorite characters but the @$$ pulls make it hard to like him.. If he couldn't beat Gojo with "his own abilities."
Finally someone stopped glazing sukuna to point out some genuine criticism. Bro isn't a perfect villian and I'm tired of acting like he Is more entertaining them kenjaku
Sukuna will be defeated by Yuji kissing him and using blood manipulation or dismantles in his mouth to pierce the brain and seperate it, its true because it was revealed to me in a dream by Gege.
He was a lot calmer more strategic as Meguna, that's kind of the vibes that Megumi gave me. As Yuji though he was a straight menace it was almost as if he enjoyed the full physical capabilities of Yuji's body.
Well he wanted to make Yuuji suffer, he dgaf about Megumi. While with Yuuji he knew he could hurt him by hurting other people with his own hands. Lmao gotta love the hate for his nephew (love the memes)
There was 1 interesting moment. Right before the maki black flash it legit felt like Sukuna felt like his world view was questioned by Maki’s existence and he almost seemed excited.
@@Allons-Y-04 this is my take. If I was Gege I would’ve had the todo reveal way sooner along with nobara still being alive. That way nobara can stun lock Sukuna with resonance and todo can keep everyone away with boogie woogie. Could be pretty tragic as well, nobara is using resonance on megumi’s soul to damage Sukuna’s body. She knows with each strike it’s killing megumi but she has to do it.
@@alc4528 Sukuna wanting to prove CE is better than no CE vs Maki was hype but honestly a bit stupid. Because CE is ALREADY a better path for jujutsu sorcerors because Sukuna and Gojo who both have CE are worlds apart from Maki and Toji who represent no CE.
This is honestly a valid criticism. Sukuna literally went from Rock paper scissors to rock paper scissors I have a gun. He’s literally that kid on the playground rn
I think this video really showing how hard it is to write a story in general cause you always have to tow the line between fiction and reality. You can’t just go off the walls and do whatever you want in a story like JJK but if you stick too close to reality then it gets kinda stale. Like it’s hard to write a compelling story that’ll keep your audience captivated all the way through.
TL;DR: Not really tbh. I mean it's hard to write definitely but to see where it fell apart is easy. I will say, JJK got away with a lot with the idea of Show don't Tell. There are SO many points of intrigue and plot hooks and loose ends and mysteries in this story. Gege does an excellent job of making you want to know more, revealing just enough to keep you engaged, but the board open enough for the audience to come to their own conclusions. In storytelling this kind of approach is lauded as masterful and high level. Because without a doubt it is. A lot of authors fall into the pittrap of exposition and info dumps because they wanna get straight to the fun part. Gege avoided this by having so many mysteries the audience ended up writing entire plots and scenarios and explanations for themselves. Theories, Essays, Critical Analysis, it really JUST IS your own personal interpretation of the media, based on your own experiences and interpretation of what you believe the themes are in the story. It's why writing is inherently subjective. You can't really be good or bad. I think the problem like you said does come with towing the line. At the end of the day, Gege fell into a pitfall of his own that's inherent to weekly manga format: Cliffhangers. Every chapter has rising stakes and climbing tension, but naturally with all things; diminishing returns start to kick in. Eventually, people got tired because their expectations can't really go any higher. People were getting frustrated because questions were not being answered fast enough. Headcanon was not being addressed. Discussions stopped being about discussing if the grates in Shibuya symbolized rivers and boundaries being crossed, as in reference to so and so buddhist teachings. The conversations shifted to "Boy I wonder if ANYTHING is actually going to stick this time?". To a large part you can blame the audience. Kind of like investing in cryptocurrency or any other scam, you only have yourself to blame to putting fancies in your head that were not meant to be there to begin with... but at what point does it become the story's responsibility to meet those expectations set for it? I think if JJK wasn't set to end this year, or in the next couple years, we'd be in a pretty rosy place right now, because we'd have more to look forward too. More expectations to raise. More answers to questions that have been asked, but because we are in the finale and the realization that this might honestly be all we are going to get, it's frustrating. Because then the conversation shifts to "what could have been". And when you're done looking at the future, you start looking back at the story and start being more critical of the things you've once been hopeful for, annoyed it might not be addressed anymore. JJk as a production is definitely cautionary tale to be sure. To burn bright like a flash, brilliant in the moment, but ending leaving you feel empty because that was it. Until you move on to the next cool thing. As a short flash in the pan story, JJK is unbelievably peak, but to put down the people who genuinely believe it had staying power and was going to be something timeless, special, or just something more... that's a bit unfair to them I feel.
@@CloudyDazeGreat analysis! I was so interested in where the story could go after watching the anime, but the story drops so many things going forward that it feels like there could be a closet full of Chekov’s guns in Gege’s room. I always hear that it’s non-standard story-telling, but I honestly just think it’s written like a short story rather than a book. The only thing keeping it from being that is just fighting. I can definitely tell they know how to make a short story, and maybe why they never had plans for a full series. I just hate when people take something different to be something incredible inherently. Something can be different and incredible, but things can certainly be either or.
@@kitanat9944 I will say, following the behind the scenes commentary and events from Gege has been nothing short of disheartening. Part of the fun for me, and frankly to a lot of people, especially to the theorist spaces most likely, was to try to pick apart the themes and to find meaning and to make our own conclusions to the story. We originally attributed a lot of the clever ideas and twists to Gege as a mark of genius, because we had the idea in our head this all was intentional. Why else would things be put in the story if they did not need to be there. Then come to find out that Yuki was originally supposed to be the main villain, Yuji was actually supposed to stay dead in chapter 9, with Sukuna jumping to Megumi making him the protagonist, Kenjaku being finalized as a character as he was sealing Gojo... the culling games as a whole being the only part of the series Gege was super looking forward to writing... it really kind of sent me a wake up call. It's one thing to be proven wrong about a theory and fail to predict an outcome. That's all well and good. But I think you lose something when you find out there wasn't as much meaning in the original story as you thought. You feel betrayed in yourself and in the author because you built them up on a pedestal for essentially work that you put in to make this story work. This is why I can proudly say the audience is mostly at fault for putting these expectations on Gege. The fact of the matter is, it just really wasn't ever that deep. We just put our own headcanon into thinking it was... but that still sucks. We can extrapolate and even theorize our own answers to our heart's content. But at this point we're better off just writing fanfiction. Because thematic spotting stops being about the work. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a fight manga is just a fight manga. I've feel like I've been through the stages of grief in this series but I can say I can enjoy whatever experience this is. Non-conventional storytelling or not, I don't have to call it bad to say i don't enjoy it nearly as much as a story anymore. But I can still enjoy this cultural phenomenon of JJK as it stands. It's the most popular series around right now. I have fun with the toxic agendas and the memes. I even like watching theories and analysis and videos on JJK STILL. But I don't buy into the hype anymore and as sad as it is, I'd rather see this through to the end. I don't have expectations anymore because it wouldn't be fair to Gege. But I will enjoy the ride til the end to see how everyone else reactions.
@@CloudyDaze Summarized my feelings entirely. Just disappointing when starting this series with my friend as I was theorizing so much and I couldn’t understand why my friend looked at me like that. He later told me he felt bad since he knew it just wasn’t that deep and didn’t know what to say. I was just left feeling angry thinking I’d found a Hunter X Hunter successor that was more my speed. Looking back, it’s really not its fault it wasn’t what I hoped it was. Like you said, my hopes and expectations were wildly out of control and at the end of the day, this is just a battle shounen called Sorcerer Fight that may have been forced to look a bit different from the start because of editors.
I think Yuji to an extent also has a similar “less emotive/locked in” thing as Shibuya Sukuna, but I don’t think it’s a problem in nearly the same way. I think it’s primarily because: A. Yuji is still clearly on his back foot, and not just tanking everything. B. Alongside that, his stoicism is shaken way more often throughout the fight C. While Sukuna’s eyes more often than not give the vibe of him being bored, Yuji’s eyes are constantly flared open, showing how locked in and focused he is on saving Megumi TLDR: Wuji Himadori > King of Coincidences
The problem is that Gege has no idea of how a tank should be written. Many RPG players know that just eating damage is boring, unless your teammates kill the boss for you. Sukuna has no allies to do damage for him, so nerfing his output made him as entertaining as a wall, that will occasionally lose a brick and hit the protagonists in the head.
I think the reasons why people are so done with this fight is that we are reading it week by week and JJK has a ton of breaks. Like since i binged most of this it didn't feel stale it just felt like a big fight. but i can see how it feels when you are stuck in this for like a year or something. One of my biggest complains with Gege is that I think he offscreened both the world slash that killed Gojo and the purple that Yuta fired. We were excited to see what will happen with the puprle and next chapter is just "so it did hit, did a bit of damage. yea i won't show it to you"
I think people have been using the reading weekly excuse a bit too much recently. Sure, it is true to a certain extent, but at one point, it can't be use as defense anymore
You make a good point. In a series like JJK where most fights are technicial in some way, having Sukuna just survive because "he's tough" does seem weak from a storytelling standpoint. I personally don't mind it too much, but it definitely would have made things interesting if Sukuna had to constantly think of on the fly ways to outsmart our protagonists, showing how smart and skilled he is and why he was called the king of curses. Right now he's looking more like the King of Raw Durability.
And I don’t exactly think he can do anything, I’d say Yuji domain is the end of him and a couple blows is all it takes. But yes, he is the King of raw durability
We go all the way back to Yorozu’s backstory when she met Heian Era Sukuna. He gave off the same vibes as he does now, complacent. Kinda just sitting there and reacting but never causing anything like he was in Yuji’s/Megumi’s body. It definitely explains why my interest in JJK has been dropping ever since the Gojo vs. Sukuna fight. It’s really hard to top something so hyped up since the beginning.
My main theory is still that Sukuna will lose in the most fitting way possible: By his own actions coming back to bite him. He's been continuously abusing binding vows so much that the image of him being squeezed to death by the metaphorical chains of his vows (demonstrating the process as he explained it to Yuji) will come to pass in reality as he will inadvertently break one of the vows he made, simply because he has made so stupidly many overlapped ones that he overlooked the details of one of them. He tried to game the system, cheated continuously and shamelessly, and ultimately screwed himself over. The ultimate con artist, finally brought to his end, by his own hands. Gege has always said all he cares about is realizing the story; and no matter how unsatisfying it may be, the story itself, as it is, DEMANDS that Sukuna can only be felled by his own failings, as the protagonists simply could not reasonably reach his, or even Gojo's, level in the limited amount of time they had, even with the soul swapping learning cheat. It will be in the spirit of JJK's irregular-for-a-shonen-story format, as well. So... yea; that's what I genuinely see happening. As to what will happen following this, Sukuna will likely try to initiate the merger, proving himself a hypocrite in his final moments by clinging to life just as he did through his reincarnation as a cursed object, and Yuji will likely sacrifice himself to take in all the cursed energy of the world to erase the threat it poses to humanity, ironically serving as the ideal vessel for all the pain of humanity, going beyond what even Kenjaku had ever intended for him. We shall see.
The binding vows won't come back to bite him considering all of them he has to constantly uphold meaning he can't do the world cutting slash without the hand sign,chant and direction with two opposite hands. If he tries to it just won't work. Many of sukunas binding vows are self imposed meaning they effect him and not someone else like the pact he did to bring back yuji. ONLY BINDING VOWS MADE BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE ARE WHAT CAN BE BROKEN WHICH CAN LEAD TO UNIDETIFIED PUNISHMENTS Sukuna is a genius at jujutsu he wouldnt make such a stupid mistake if he does ILL SUCK 5 DICK FROM TEN BIG BLACK MEN
Stop it. He really said “the use of biding vows are realistic but boring” instead everyone should have just gotten stronger… He’s suggesting that gege should turn JJK into solo leveling. Stop using clever ways of moving the plot forwards and just power up for entertainment purposes. L take.
@@eduardosantana8300all im gonna say is that Allons was right when saying that gojo’s students should all be stronger so that they can actually pose a threat to Sukuna instead of them just slowly using Yuji to weaken him is better narratively because Sukuna would be able to use his genius and jujutsu skills to defeat them all and truly prove why he is the strongest
@@Karatas008 they are stronger, so much stronger that even sukuna asked how they did it. Sukuna isn’t tanking anything. That’s a strawman. He is using his genius and skill to stay alive. The fight is a high stake for both sides. Making the students as strong as gojo, who is in his prime as a 30 year old, would be the kind of writing that gege is incapable of putting out there. And thank goodness. Obviously this video is for engagement, there wasn’t anything he said the he could defend rationally when challenged. Hence the use of strawmen to make the entire video. Now I ask you, when did sukuna tank a Jacob’s ladder?
Same. i love sukuna but he doesn't feel as cool or as intimidating anymore more of a meatbag for the cast to show off their new feats. feels like a fall from grace now
@@RRyomenSSukuna if you consider this rage bait instead of just someone giving a reasonable explanation on why sukuna is kinda boring in this form, I think you just show that you are close minded and can't be bothered to understand other's opinions on a topic. that is if you are actually serious.
Sukuna isn't a cheater; he just has more knowledge. It's incorrect to call him 'stronger' then Gojo however, because physically, he stands next to no chance. Sukuna isn't the strongest because of his 'strength' but is the strongest in terms of his knowledge of Jujutsu. To put it bluntly, if he didn't have the knowledge of a barrierless domain, then Gojo quite literally neg difs. So, these Sukuna glazers who claim that he is far physically stronger, are just incorrect and are intellectually dishonest. This fight boiled down to who had more Jujutsu knowledge, Gojo is only 28, whereas Sukuna is over 1000 and was born in the era where Jujutsu was at its peak, and he was the strongest in that era. If we for instance, scale them to both have the same knowledge (aka, barrierless domain) then Gojo absolutely clears without question, no matter what side you glaze you can't deny that. My entire point is that Gojo is stronger, Sukuna is smarter. Feel free to debate that, I'd love to hear why I'm wrong.
I think the thing that bothers me with him is that he keeps doing these binding vows without really losing anything major not to mention every time we think the protags are making progress we get hit with "he's still holding back"
I agree I also thought his demeanor and personality changed a lot from Meguna to his Heian form and honestly think his Meguna form was his most peak so far
I actually think you summed up my feelings on the matter perfectly. Sukuna's cycle has become boring because Sukuna's approach to combat with these guys has been boring. The reason that Sukuna was such an incredible and intimidating villain wasn't just because he was the strongest, but because he was so knowledgeable and resourceful when it came to jujutsu that you couldn't even imagine our heroes outsmarting him, let alone actually beating him in a direct fight. Sukuna's battles showcased that he was the strongest, not even because of the strength of his cursed technique, but because of his ingenuity and proficiency with it that allowed him to straight up just outclass the other big 3. The reason Meguna has so much aura compared to his other forms is that now he gets a busted ability like 10s and he shows exactly how many options and tactical advantages he can make in a split second using 10s. As Heian era, he's just a giant sandbag who eventually gets bored and one shots his opponents. The only person who has really done much to subvert this cycle is Yuji, who the story for some reason seems hellbent not to just let him keep cooking. I agree that characters should have been allowed to get much stronger. Sukuna's overwhelming strength was only one part of why he was the strongest, and watching him finesse the cast with binding vows and obscure and genuinely inspired uses of jujutsu to pull the win even as he was slowly weakening from the gauntlet would have been a really cool way to show just how exceptional he really is. Instead we get people like Kusakabe getting to just combo the shit out of him until he gets bored and one shots him; Sukuna feels like an unbeatable tutorial boss, whose purpose is to let you smack him around until you've learned/showed all that you can do, then he just beats you to advance the story.
this is actually one of the best shinjuku arc criticism videos. love the actual thought and critique instead of mindlessly hating on the arc or giving a first grade level idea to make it better (gojo return). i was perfectly fine the way shinjuku was going in the manga but this video really showed me its short comings,, love that!
His criticisms were hollow and here's why. 1. He said Gege should have made anti Sukuna squad stronger which he did thru Ui Ui's soul swapping. 2. He said Sukuna should have died to Gojo's HP in 235 which can be debunked by Sukuna overestimating purple and Gojo not even aiming for Sukuna. 3. He said Sukuna should have used something else to evade Yuta's HP but didn't actually provide "How" and just said "Somehow". Also makes no sense how he expects Yuta to even master purple on the level of Gojo in such a short span. 4. Gojo's students being on his level defeats the theme of solitude being the absolute strength. Students can't become indivdually stronger than Gojo and thats a fact. 5. All of the problems wudn't even exist in the anime This entire video feels like lashing out all anger on Sukuna which he feels cuz of all the hate Yuta is receiving.
Don't get me wrong I'm still absolutely loving it and I want everyone else to love it too. But nothing is perfect so obviously there are criticisms to be made... glad u enjoyed the video :)
The only thing I wanna talk about is your first point. I know they got stronger via soul swaps but my point was very simple... I think they should have come out of that EVEN STRONGER than they did.
@@Juryoku113point still remains Sukuna should have died to hollow purple in chapter 235 ...Mahoraga who had adapted to blue and red still died to hp but sukuna survived ..how? Also the creativity part still remains.. characters like gojo with infinity can do many things like wrapping the space type shit but gege limited his character in that aspect against Sukuna for fair battle or plot armourb
@@Juryoku113 I mean honestly for point 2, Sukuna or Gojo underestimating something they have seen used multiple times just feels like really lame writing. These characters are shown as not only powerful, but incredibly smart. During their fight, they're constantly coming up with new tactics and discovering new stuff about jujutsu, and they were so evenly matched in ways to win it really did feel like whoever outsmarted the other won the fight. So to say that a character won because of an underestimation feels kind of dumb from a narrative standpoint. Saying "I will die if I'm hit by this", then getting hit by it, and going "lmao nevermind" is just sort of a dumb subversion imo.
It’s also annoying how most of the time we are in the anti sukunas team brain, like we see their plans, and their thoughts more often then sukunas We rarely get sukuna internal monologue and we never get his plans within those monologues and it’s kinda sad, like during the gojo fight I wish he started thinking about the WCS, and how to pull it off, and I wish he started thinking about how he could get his domain back before he did
Its intentional because if we were given his inner monologue we would know what Sukuna would be planning and giving away Geges end game. Its the same durig Gojo vs Sukuna. While we got Gojos monologue we never got anything of Sukuna, if we did we would have read he was planning to use a Binding Vow way ahead of time before the outcome happen then getting an explanation 5 chapters later. Gege does this _alot_
@@SemekiIzuio I mean he never was planning to use the binding vow but fair view ig. It would’ve been nice if we got some leak before he opened his domain or used WCS
@@IsThatAThaiName i know! lol thats why I'm saying having Sukuna be the one saying he was pushing himself or trying or admit he was tweaking with those Hollow Purples
1:40 this is so true. Mahito and Kenjaku are way better villains. The only developments we've gotten from Sukuna is the Fallen One reveal, question of love and his family link with Yuji. None of those are really that interesting though
EXACTLY! To me, I do not even see him as strong anymore. It is all about how much bs Gege can allow him to tank out of. There is no strategy in anything he does anymore. It is all about him getting beat up and Gege allowing him to tank it then a random convenient Binding Vow showing up. IT IS BORING and has destroyed this finale arc for me so far.. I think Meguna and Yujikuna were a MUCH better reputation of his title of the "strongest" and it feels like that title died with Gojo because I just do NOT see it with this Heian Sukuna. Like if Plot Armor was a character it would be Heian Sukuna. We do not want to see him tanking everything until Gege decides he is not important anymore. I wanted to see him OUTSMARTING the main cast which HAS NOT been happening. People seem to overlook how Yuta's plan within his Domain Expansion WAS FLAWLESS. They had no trouble at all. Sukuna just sat there tanking everything... The only issue was Megumi. It had nothing to do with their plan. That SUCKS. The strongest actually got outsmarted.. And the only reason he survived was again... Because Gege decided to let him tank everything and have a convenient moment with his dismantle... It was nothing special.. It feels like Sukuna is braindead.... The only thing he does is gets hit. He is like a punching bag...
“The heavy hitters should be stronger, not Sukuna be weaker” has literally been my main problem with JJK since post Gojo v Sukuna. That fight really did feel like both fighters were actively trying to twist their knives in at every angle possible, instead of after that where everyone keeps stabbing Sukuna and he just loses 1 HP each. I love JJK’s fights because each fighter is attempting to bend around their opponent, and it’s always keeping the readers engaged. If every fight was just both fighters blasting each other with max output to see who would win, that would’ve made the whole series a snoozefest. I hope that Gege is trying to mitigate this issue moving forward. Seeing Yuta’s HP basically be shrugged off makes NO SENSE. The attack literally destroys all mass in its path, how the fuck does that attack only result in his skin (bending the opposite direction to a circle, mind) being slightly burnt off? And it’s why everyone’s guessing that JL will just do nothing.
My personal issue with this arc is that gege has not explored binding vows enough and is using that vague term to cover his ass while still not exploring them.
JJK really hates the idea of rewarding the main cast and audiences for the sake of its realism. Gege couldn't realistically justify the idea of the main cast getting that much stronger in one month. At the same time, Gege really wanted to jump straight into the culling games arc, as seen in his original draft that got rejected. The first 3 arcs, not incuding the Hidden Inventory/Premature Death/Star Plasma Vessel arc and JJK0, weren't long enough for the main characters to become strong enough in the Shinjiku Showdown arc. So this leaves the treatment of Sukuna as the Raid boss of a game, with the main cast wayy to underleveled for the encounter. And so the only reasonable way to take him down is to hurl one after the other, whittling down Sukuna until he makes a mistake, leaving an opening for whomever is still left alive to finish him off. So I really wished the end boss fight was Sukuna truly in his 20 finger prime, against the party of peak special grade sorcerers. Would have made the last arc way more enjoyable than beefcake Sukuna. (Of course if the team planned any more competently, then Sukuna could have been long packed up by now in my opinion.)
I love this video. You did a great job pinpointing my exact problem with how this fight has gone ever since Gojo died. I don't have a problem with no individual student surpassing Gojo, but the idea was for the students to surpass him in the aggregate by working together to kill Sukuna. And I understand that Sukuna is the strongest, but him just tanking everything is only showing how ridiculously stronger Gojo is than all of his students COMBINED. Sure, buffing the students more or nerfing Sukuna less could've made the fight more exciting, but I think there could've been an even easier solution. Have Sukuna (or any character for that matter) acknowledge the fact that no one is actually going for a killing blow bc they're still trying to save Megumi!!! There have been multiple instances where a character could've decapitated Sukuna and just ended the battle (Gojo's first black flash, Maki's sneak attack, etc.), but no one mentions it! Instead Sukuna just loses an arm or his heart and gets slightly more nerfed which then requires even more plot armor for Sukuna to keep the fight going. I still wouldn't love this outcome but it at least would be better than Sukuna just having unlimited durability against anyone who isn't Gojo. It would also play into how ruthless Sukuna is as a character. He'd be taking advantage of the fact that all the other characters actually care about other people, whereas Sukuna only cares about himself.
Man, that was an actually good complaint that makes sense, I do think that everything thats happened so far does make sense. As you put it, its realistic the way Gege writes, and personaly I haven't been bored. However I can fully understand where your coming from and can see the flaws that your pointing out.
"alot of the time he just sort of looks bored like this is one big chore" "you may argue its because hes locked the fuck in but i find that boring" "hes not as crazy and as demented and unhinged as he used to be" -uraume in bed
Completely agree. Not to mention the characters that got introduced, hyped up, and then killed just to make sukuna look stronger. Kashimo litterally accomplishes nothing in the overall story. He's just a device to make sukuna look threatening... right after he killed Satouru f*cking Gojo
I get your criticism. I think Gege is showing a character fault here: He made a really good strategy for Gojo and thaught that JUST saving his transformation and for later and receiving Kamutoke would be enough to beat them easily. He was cocky af as soon as his rival (Gojo) died and made decisions that go along this mentality. Like he was vs Higuruma. But he really didnt know abt the soul damage tactics which will prolly result in his loss soon.
Bro trying to defend Gege when Gege couldn't care less about defending his writing. The cycle will continue until he gets bored and will wrap things up in an unsatisfactory way
yeah, he should still have 10 shadows at his disposal, just that most of the relevant shikigami are dead at this point, so sukuna can suffice with just cleave and dismantle but it would be cool to see him switch to and utilize 10 shadows in smart ways even though it's less effective at the moment
So like when he used the slashes to stop yutas sword, later on instead of the slashes being limited to his palm he spawns it around his body so that they cant just hammer away at him while he soaks damage and they have to be careful and forced to not just machine gun punch him as he eats everything.
Caution. This comment became so much longer than i intended it to be. Read with care. I think part of the reason why sukuna has been somewhat relegated to a "tank" is because almost none of the sorcerers fighting him have any character relevance to him. To most of the sorcerers, sukuna is just an enemy to defeat. There's no deeper reason for them to fight him. Yuji is arguably the only one that has a deeper reason to fight him, but we can't have the one on one so early in the fight, so we have to give individual moments to these characters to conclude their arcs. Miguel, larue, and kusakabe are the prime examples of this. Each of them only regard sukuna as an enemy to defeat, and facing him means certain death. Kusakabe had this whole chapter dedicated to exploring him as a character, how he views himself as a weak coward and how despite that, people like mei mei, nanami, and gojo respect him for his strength and kindness. Miguel and larue also had half a chapter dedicated to their reasons and motivations to fight in the sukuna raid, being to mourn the losses of their family. Both of these examples have fuck all to do with sukuna as a character, and so their fights aren't as interesting. Also, your critique of sukuna surviving yuta's domain because of megumi and not because of sukuna's tactical genius is a little short sighted, because sukuna doesn't always have to win thanks to battle iq. If megumi was in a better state of mind then sukuna would've lost, but the reason megumi wasn't in the first place was because of sukuna killing his sister and now his sensei. His actions from before directly helped his own survival, and i think that's a valid enough reason for him to survive that specific encounter. Finally, and this is purely my own opinion, I prefer this new, calmer, sukuna. We have seen three versions of sukuna. itadori/sukuna, megumi/sukuna, and heian era sukuna. These three versions of him almost feel like three different characters. As if each form brought out three distinct characteristics of sukuna himself. Itadori/sukuna is honestly my least favorite version. Part of it is because gege himself said that he didn't do much research on the real life ryomen sukuna and so in my opinion made him a bit one dimensional. He was manic, hysterical, and only cared about the pleasure right in front of him. It almost felt cartoony how one dimensional he was. The only thing that was interesting about him was his "enchain" vow and his plans for megumi. Even in shibuya, despite showing his overwhelming might and devastating destruction in the fights with jogo and mahoraga, I still didn't think that he was that interesting because we had seen it all before from other series. Hell, mahito seemed more interesting than him. When he took over megumi's body, though, that's when i found him interesting. His actions had made a permanent turn in the story, flipping the entire premise upside down. Back in ch 214 when itadori and sukuna were grabbing each others necks, calling back to that color page of them doing that exact thing, i finally understood the gravity of the conflict between these two. I finally understood why sukuna was the big bad. His whims turn the story on their head, his actions hurt everyone around him, and his presence is felt throughout the whole story. The exact moment he takes megumi's shadows, we truly see the darkness of his malice. In megumi's body, he's more cunning, more patient, more calculative. He doesn't care if he has to use megumi, a teenager, to tank unlimited void. He doesn't care about looking weak while getting beat up by gojo. He doesn't even care about being the strongest. All he cares about is his own pleasure and displeasure. And then we get to heian era sukuna. His form and body language exude superhuman. He feels regal, and immovable. His calculative shadowy aspects are put aside, and his whimsical, pure might is shown on full display. Even while taking on yuji and yuta, he remains idly smiling. even while taking a beating from the two of them, he fights back with a smile. his attitude alone is interesting to read. I feel like this is truly sukuna in his final form. Both physically and characteristically. He's returned to his original form, has his full power back, and taken back his status as the strongest. This is the perfect balance of his early series mania and his current "divine" presence. The entire final arc is a singular fight with sukuna. It literally revolves around him. He is the main constant throughout this fight. I don't think there has ever been a final arc like that in anime manga history. And of course, there's his disregard and hatred for yuji. The interesting thing with these two's dynamic, is that before, sukuna was this ticking time bomb just waiting to explode. He was the unstoppable force to yuji's immovable object. Sukuna was the one challanging yuji, breaking him again and again only for yuji to keep getting back up. Now, in this final arc, it is sukuna that is the one being challenged. After killing gojo, sukuna had become "the strongest," the reigning champ, the final boss. It was now sukuna's turn to defend his title, his entire being from yuji and his unbreakable soul. Now in ch 257 sukuna can't even make yuji flinch anymore. The only time that made yuji waver for a moment was when sukuna mirrored what happened back in shibuya, razing the entire city of shinjuku, but thanks to the combined efforts of his old and new brothers, he bounced right back. Now yuji has become the unstoppable force, with sukuna's immovable status breaking chapter by chapter. Even if this video is true on all fronts, to me this single dynamic is the one reason i'm locked in till the end
Did I talk abt Yuta’s domain in this vid? I definitely didn’t say it was cus of Megumi he won did I??? I actually really like the fight in Yuta’s domain cus it felt like there was actually stakes… until Sukuna did a wcs that he should never have been able to do 😭
@@Allons-Y-04 I mean, there was no comfirmation that it was the space slash. Sure, the story added the chant to make it easier to differentiate it from normal ones, but it could've just as easily been a strengthened slash
@@Allons-Y-04 mmm, I mean, this is semantics, but it only says that he got split in two like gojo and yuta really is the only other person that was split in two. Higuruma got his stomach sliced open, choso was impaled, kashimo got diced, kusakabe might count but it didn't seem like his torso was falling off like yuta or gojo. More than likely you're right, but there's no hard evidence.
i think sukuna is still holding back if that makes sense it's why he falls back into his nonchalant or bored state once he realizes his opponents are not what he was expecting at the start of the fight with gota, he looked all excited, but then went back to looking bored or confused when he noticed yuta was having trouble adjusting to the new body and using the ct or how he shoved yuji to the side when he saw gota, like "i don't want to play with you brats anymore" even though they are putting in the work and damaging sukuna, for some damn reason, sukuna is not going all the way and i still don't think we have a full explanation on shrine, which i kinda find weird how everyone acts like they fully understand it
The [problem with the Meguna fight is that Meguna didn't really THINK forward as much as Gojo did because he already HAD the information and counter to Gojo's abilities. Sukuna won by cheating which is why I see GOJO as the STRONGEST still.
I kind of agree. I recently watched a video where the TH-camr compared a character to Sukuna, saying that the character has Sukuna-level aura. Now, Sukuna doesn't even have "Sukuna-level aura." And that's crazy.
Only issue I would have with the students getting closer to gojo would be it would seem even more unrealistic that sukuna would weasel his way out of the attacks sure sukuna will adapt but so will the other students, expecially yuta with his billion plans. But I do think that it would make sense for them to get closer to gojo but maybe since they didnt have much time they lack experience? which is why sukuna can avoid the? idk im rambaling just adding a few things that I found intresting ig. (lots of shit is spelt wrong but frankly I cant be fucked to edit it so yeah have fun with this.)
10:08 Via the deaths of everyone but Yuji or Megumi. Curses become stronger after death so having say Yuji inherent the curses of everyone who's past on is good reason for him to surpass Gojo. There's also the idea of Megumi killing himself only to come back as a stronger curse with a ten shadows design. He could be the Chimer of the entire technique!
Gotta remember, to be smart, strategic, creative etc. you need to be *not tired* and badly injured. Fatigue really affects the brain: Brain needs a steady blood pressure just to work properly. To me, using only binding vows, means that Sukuna is getting too tired and is working more on autopilot, using binding vows that he has thought of before the fight, instead of thinking on the fly.
YES MY BROTHER, SPIT YO SHIT INDEED!! Now THIS is something I love too see though ngl. You have the potential.... don't waste it, I've seen people like you... those who disregard the words off others and continue on their own paths. Yet U still keep your humanity...that is your weakness. Don't only disregard the words off others but also hate on everything to entertain too the fullest. Continue on this path and you shall reach that realm Where Broken Ronin and No Operator along With Eternal Flame..... The realm of the Yapping Ones. (Yeah the Lobotomy is getting too me I'm gonna go read some Sherlock Holmes or smthn. But all I'll say is this.......SPIT YO SHIT INDEED)
I have some crackpot theories about what's gonna happen, i see that jjk is all about jumping vs soloing and paralells, no jumping has ever gone wrong for anyone in jjk, including the bad guys, jumps have always "won" in jjk in one way or another, as for parallels, the way i see it, yuji will somehow eat sukuna (who has parallels to mahito and will get "eaten" the same way) and somehow seal megumi (who has parallels to gojo and will get sealed too), since geto/psuedo geto has parallels with yuji it's a theory but i think sukuna will basically give up on breaking yuji's ideals and kill yuji in the real world, straight up, and eat him in front of the cast gruesomely, making yuji reach closure in reaching his ideal of martyrdom and fulfilling the curse set up by yuji's grandfather, and simultaneously having sukuna break his own ideal set up in chapter 248 (when sukuna was on the bridge thinking to himself, he had developed a singular ideal or desire to shatter yuji's ideals) and essentially sealing sukuna's fate to die (toji said he lost as soon as he twisted his own ideals when gojo purpled him, same thing will happen to sukuna), basically, sukuna will set up the dominos for his own downfall by twisting his own newfound ideals (hating on yuji lol) and pretending he still has no ideals like before I think it's set up prior and that there's no asspull if yuji will survive anyway because he turned his own finger into a cursed tool right before getting eaten, pulling a fast one on sukuna and "infiltrating" megumi's body as the last part of the jumping plan (plan z), which is where yuji will actually dominate and eat sukuna's soul with megumi and ten shadow's help and basically control megumi's body ("sealing" megumi like kenjaku sealed gojo? Or controlling megumi like yuta controlled gojo?) then yuji will start the merger by killing all his allies for the requirement set up by the culling game (he'd somehow be giving everyone a good death?) And the series somehow ends on a bittersweet note with yuji in megumi's body starting the merger to fix everything i guess
I mean, jumpings had failed before, but the point is the "new way" vs "old way" with the new way giving space for everyone to live up to their ideals without being forced into twisting them, noritoshi kamo jr. For example wasn't forced to join in, as only those who were ok with endangering their lives were allowed to the frontlines
Bro even if I disagree with everything you say I'm gonna like because I appreciate people putting out their thoughts on art that I like, simple as that.
After listening to the video I have to agree though. A lot of what I do is D&D, and a lot of enemies in D&D are just damage sponges, especially late game. I always like to spice things up by giving enemies unique things they can do so that the battle kind of changes as it goes along rather than just have the players burn spells and abilities to chew through hundreds of hit points, you know? It feels like Gege is somehow hitting this problem via writing.
I was scrolling through my TH-cam feed when I had saw this video. Since I had nothing really better to do at the moment, and I was a bit interested, I decided to sit down and patiently listening to what you had to say before forming my own response, even if it isn’t wanted. I’m not one of those people who love to dick ride the King of Curses himself, Sukuna, though I can very much say that he’s one of my favorite all time antagonists in anime for sure. He’s cocky, tactical, selfish, powerful, and works extremely well with the protagonists of the story. Before I continue I’d like to say that as much as we joke about Gege being a bad or terrible writer, he truly isn’t. JJK takes the reader seeing certain things or narratives that the writer makes in order to show why things are happening in a certain fashion, and just because we can’t see or understand them at the moment, does mean their bad (this is mostly for everybody in the comments). Sukuna vs Gojo, the two current strongest in the JJK world. It was such an amazing fight that showed us what JJK is all about, and it does it perfectly as we watch Gojo and Sukuna go back and forth trying to out do the other, as it’s not about power in that fight, but adapting to the situation and deceit. Gojo starting the fight off with a 200%-300% Hollow Purple that was hidden from Sukuna, Sukuna using the Ten Shadows to slowly understand how to get around Gojo’s defense, Gojo slowly adapting to Sukuna’s Domains Clashes, and lastly Sukuna landing the final blow on Gojo after catching him off guard, since Gojo never expected to get hit by one of his slashes, let alone one that could actually reach him. And after Gojo goes down, we watch as the students and friends he’s made along his life as the strongest come to face down against the man that since the beginning of the anime has been talked about. I disagree with your state of the cast being made stronger, as it’s crazy enough that they can last this long with the man of legend himself. Gojo believes that the new generation of sorcerers should be stronger then whatever ranks have been placed upon the sorcerer society, and they are. Yuji, the child blessed sparks. Yuta, the cursed child. Maki, the monster of the Zenin Clan. Hakari, the luckiest man alive. Because the strongest is down they now all have to wittle away at Sukuna, either falling after they’ve served their purpose in the story, or evolving to new heights.
Whenever a character fights Sukuna, it shows us that while they aren’t all at the level of Gojo just yet, them working together allows them to push back against one of the strongest. Yuji and Yuta vs Sukuna was amazing. First, I have to say this. They weren’t tanking his slashes fully because he was weakened, as within this showdown we learn that their Curse Reinforcement has gotten a lot stronger, allowing them to tank them better. Now then, Yuta and Yuji weaken his combat capabilities, his ability to his CT, and damage him a bit before their fight ends, which is amazing. Some of the strongest of the new gen being able to even deal that much significant damage to a man of legend spoken about and feared throughout the JJK world is fantastic and shows how much they’ve grown. The “Sukuna Cycle” might be boring to those who don’t wanna really look into things, though it’s exciting to see how the character use what they have to slowly break down the king or evolve. Do I think Sukuna is more boring after the Gojo fight, not really. Sure, he’s not the chaotic crackhead we all know and love, though that’s because he’s literally fighting children verse one of his favorite fights ever. Yes, it’s very in character for him to be bored and to not really use complicated stuff against people who he doesn’t respect or take seriously enough on a consistent basis. JJK is more of a serious anime than anything, so watching Sukuna stances up against Yuji in that panel you used a lot in your video makes sense. He’s fighting somebody who has the potential to climb up to his level, and he hates Yuji the most, he’s not gonna smile, he’s gonna think. And it makes the scenes where he does show those moments of excitement or anger better. And as for the JL Hana used on him, because of her arm being missing she can’t achieve the same output as she normally would be able to. If you pay close attention to when a character loses an arm, there is always some draw back that comes with it, like the old fast guy being caught by Jogo because his missing arm threw him off, or show Sukuna can’t do WCS without his other arms. I truly just think the only actual issue here is that the manga takes a while to come out, and reading this fight every week or two weeks makes these things you have to actually read into kinda a drag to some people.
The thing is tho… I understand and can appreciate all of this already. It all makes sense and I do think Gege is a great writer… but in this case it ‘making sense’ doesn’t rly stop me from finding it boring. Gojo vs Sukuna on the other hand is genuinely peak so we can agree on that for sure
The way I would describe my feelings on how the story has been would be that its only felt like the anti sukuna team has been losing not that sukuna is winning. If that makes sense
I’d argue that the only one who was truly improvising in the Gojo V Sukuna fight was Gojo. It was stated that from the beginning Sukuna’s entire plan was to use mahoroga to adapt to Gojo. Even when Gojo took over momentum in the fight with his black flashes, sukuna just hid in the shadows hoping mahoroga would adapt before Gojo could destroy it.
If he finds a way that bypasses gojos technique he would never have to deal with the six eyes again, he’s usually passive with opponents he’s interested in mahoraga, gojo, maki he all fights passively while not going all out like gojo states after death.
The most impressive thing sukuna has done this entire showdown is pop a domain and fire arrow. People say he’s the strongest but he hasn’t done anything to show it but just survive everybody’s devastating techniques which are pretty much rendering him a cripple
Outmatched everyone in the series, and dominated the strongest time in history, gojo would be the next best, no one else remotely in the cast can fuck with gojo so why could anyone else damage him without yuji💀
@@theycallmetray396his showcase as the strongest was the most mediocre showcase I’ve ever seen. He took so much damage and got beat up so much, and it didn’t start getting interesting to watch him fight until he hit his first black flash. Gojo is a whole other conversation.
As a sukuna glazer Honestly I agree with this standpoint what makes Sukuna interesting to me is the ways of how he outsmarts his opponent and learns how to defeat his opponents instead of being able to tank everything a great example of that is in his fight with Gojo and Mahoraga but now it’s just binding vows which I find a bit annoying and stale but I wish Sukuna would use binding vows in a more interesting way like when he made a binding vow to create a domain expansion because he couldn’t use his normal hand sign because his brain was damaged and his binding vow to create a world slash requiring 3 arms instead of 2 and stuff like that but I still believe in Gege sure I wouldn’t call him a perfect writer but I feel like at the end of the day we will all look back at this and start to think maybe the shinjuku showdown arc wasn’t that bad
Bro what are u talking about? You say the bv are getting stale but at the same time say they're good? The only binding vows sukuna has used in the shinjuku fight are the two binding vows u mentioned.
Okay, this is my second comment after viewing the video. I agree with you. The cast the should’ve been a lot stronger, but I really blame Sukuna for that. Him being a tank within itself is a feat on its own merits. There should’ve been given much more time to the cast to train and get closer to Gojo level to even ensure that Sukuna is to pull all the stops to win. Now I have absolutely no issue with how the battle has been playing out so far. Sukuna using binding vows to the extent that it’s being used is a stroke of genius and talent on his side of things. Truthfully, if the cast was stronger, then Sukuna trying harder would definitely change the outcome of the story. For better or worse? I have no idea. The story is still currently going so we’ll have to wait and see.
This is the best video I’ve seen about this. These were exactly my thoughts. I hate the people who say “people when the strongest is being the strongest”. That’s not the issue, the issue is that it’s so boring to read, and sukuna doesn’t seem like himself. This is the most boring way to do a raid battle. As controversial as the fight was, I think Kaido did it better.
THANK YOU!!!!!! Finally someone puts words to my thoughts, it's turned super boring and non of the "potential" the new generation of sorcerers we said to have is even close to being fulfilled, i literally lost all investment in this super genius villain and his last fight just cuz since gojo went 2 seperate ways it was the same idea with different text "omg this is it he's depleted and took so much dmg, oh he tanked it and is still the same lvl post every supposed nerf he had during the fight" it sad how jjk is going compared to the sukuna vs gojo fight, i know people like to say let gege cook but even his hyped reveals post SvG were meh at best
Even when they defeat Sukuna, we’re going to have to live with the fact that Sukuna just completely and willfully threw the fight. Unless he gets ANOTHER full heal, even if he goes all out now he’ll bw held back by all the damage and debuffs he let himself take by holding back. We’ll never see an actual full-power Sukuna, and it’s because he full well threw.
1:55 - Sukuna likes to fight for fun. Kill weak people. go on the occasional GTA style rampage. Get worshipped like any Athlete that wins. He hates Yuji because Yuji is the twin he ate to live. That twin living invalidates his decision and every decision he has made so far. Furthermore, that twin is about to surpass him and no matter what, he JUST. WON'T. STAY. DOWN.
Sukuna will be within a inch of his life as Yuji walks towards him saying “You’ve got no more CE. I cant let you get away after all you have done. Im doing this for all the people you have murdered. The innocent lives you took. I can never forgive you for that.” Sukuna looks down at his hands and smiles. Looking up, he closes his eyes and says “Yuji, you really grown huh? Haha. I guess my job here is done brother. You dont need me anymore.” Yuji stops in his tracks and says “What the hell are you talking about?!” Sukuna gets up and walks to Yuji and puts his fist on his heart. “Make sure you never lose and hold your head high Nephew. I taught you that there isn’t anything you cant overcome” Sukuna falls on his face as Yuji stands there in awe then states “maybe the real kaisen was the you are my special nah i’d win for the jujustu along the way” :’) The end. You’re welcome.
i think this problem covers the whole series, the difference between the stronger and weaker characters make everything feel so empty, for example when hanami was fighting the students, Megumi , Maki , Inumaki and Noritoshi didnt manage to do shit against Hanami, but Yuji and Todo did, that means one of them shouldn't be able to fight with yuji or todo, it would be like fighting with something but your attacks dont do damage and you cant take any either
I love Sukuna because of what he means to the story. In volume zero Jujutsu Kaisen is a story where the curse of love reigns supreme in the modern era. But once Sukuna is incarnated this narrative shifts, chapter one is literally named after him. Yuji and Megumi are like ants to this freaky ass malevolent deity and while Gojo does stomp his ass this shift in narrative from love to malice is only reaffirmed, first when Mahito casts kills Junpei and casts his domain, then when yuji and nobara power up by ending lives and I think this comes to a boiling point when Sukuna wreaks havoc on Shibuya. When he kills Jogo he says to reach the heights of the strongest you must burn all you desire to a cinder and leave your comrades in the dust. Sukuna is such a dawg the themes of the narrative bent to his will. But I'd say it doesn't feel special anymore once we enter the culling games which is why Sukuna taking over Megumi and becoming a major player renewed that mysticism to him. But now in Shinjuku showdown there's really nothing interesting going on with Sukuna, even that battle hungry attitude has been toned down so he feels a lot more generic at the moment.
This video aged so well lmaooo
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I totally get what you said in this video and i agree with you
Sukuna can honestly never be considered the strongest, because he needed megumi body & mahoraga to beat Gojo. If he was the strongest he would've beat Gojo without needing megumi body. & sukuna is one of my favorite characters but the @$$ pulls make it hard to like him.. If he couldn't beat Gojo with "his own abilities."
Amazing points tbh
Like...even just better base stats for the good guys would've been enough🤷♂️
Finally someone stopped glazing sukuna to point out some genuine criticism. Bro isn't a perfect villian and I'm tired of acting like he Is more entertaining them kenjaku
Sukuna will be defeated by Yuji kissing him and using blood manipulation or dismantles in his mouth to pierce the brain and seperate it, its true because it was revealed to me in a dream by Gege.
Nah he finna grab his balls and use dismantle
Four arms.
Two dicks.
Four balls.
Quad the pain.
This was foreshadowed in the Yuji v Mahito fight
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Gege's writing dreams now?????
@@GvvBeastUnpause... 😉
He was a lot calmer more strategic as Meguna, that's kind of the vibes that Megumi gave me. As Yuji though he was a straight menace it was almost as if he enjoyed the full physical capabilities of Yuji's body.
I agree he was much calmer but it was a psychotic and cunning calm... not an 'idgaf' calm
Well he wanted to make Yuuji suffer, he dgaf about Megumi. While with Yuuji he knew he could hurt him by hurting other people with his own hands. Lmao gotta love the hate for his nephew (love the memes)
Because of t'en shadow, that a technique with you have to think
So you subbed to that jujitsu gaysin
Throughout heaven and earth I alone am the nephew hater one
There was 1 interesting moment. Right before the maki black flash it legit felt like Sukuna felt like his world view was questioned by Maki’s existence and he almost seemed excited.
Yes I LOVE that moment sm
@@Allons-Y-04 this is my take. If I was Gege I would’ve had the todo reveal way sooner along with nobara still being alive. That way nobara can stun lock Sukuna with resonance and todo can keep everyone away with boogie woogie. Could be pretty tragic as well, nobara is using resonance on megumi’s soul to damage Sukuna’s body. She knows with each strike it’s killing megumi but she has to do it.
To bad gege ended any sorta enjoyment from this dynamic after sukuna hit his Sukuna Sexism Special or the S,S,S
And then Sukuna literally punched her out of the story lol. All of those conflicting views disappeared to never be emphasized again. Gotta love Gege
@@alc4528 Sukuna wanting to prove CE is better than no CE vs Maki was hype but honestly a bit stupid. Because CE is ALREADY a better path for jujutsu sorcerors because Sukuna and Gojo who both have CE are worlds apart from Maki and Toji who represent no CE.
This is honestly a valid criticism. Sukuna literally went from Rock paper scissors to rock paper scissors I have a gun. He’s literally that kid on the playground rn
Counter argument: i haven't watched the video so your criticism doesn't exist in my mind currently.
Thats a valid counter ngl
Ignorance that's your cursed technique?
Jokes on you though, allons set up your life so that you would eventually come to his same conclusion 24 days after the 2nd holiday next year
😂😂😂
Counter to your counter argument: I use Infinite Void on you, causing everything said in this video to flood into your mind at once 😂
I think this video really showing how hard it is to write a story in general cause you always have to tow the line between fiction and reality. You can’t just go off the walls and do whatever you want in a story like JJK but if you stick too close to reality then it gets kinda stale. Like it’s hard to write a compelling story that’ll keep your audience captivated all the way through.
Rly well said tbh, 100% agree
TL;DR: Not really tbh. I mean it's hard to write definitely but to see where it fell apart is easy.
I will say, JJK got away with a lot with the idea of Show don't Tell. There are SO many points of intrigue and plot hooks and loose ends and mysteries in this story. Gege does an excellent job of making you want to know more, revealing just enough to keep you engaged, but the board open enough for the audience to come to their own conclusions.
In storytelling this kind of approach is lauded as masterful and high level. Because without a doubt it is. A lot of authors fall into the pittrap of exposition and info dumps because they wanna get straight to the fun part. Gege avoided this by having so many mysteries the audience ended up writing entire plots and scenarios and explanations for themselves.
Theories, Essays, Critical Analysis, it really JUST IS your own personal interpretation of the media, based on your own experiences and interpretation of what you believe the themes are in the story. It's why writing is inherently subjective. You can't really be good or bad.
I think the problem like you said does come with towing the line. At the end of the day, Gege fell into a pitfall of his own that's inherent to weekly manga format: Cliffhangers. Every chapter has rising stakes and climbing tension, but naturally with all things; diminishing returns start to kick in. Eventually, people got tired because their expectations can't really go any higher. People were getting frustrated because questions were not being answered fast enough. Headcanon was not being addressed. Discussions stopped being about discussing if the grates in Shibuya symbolized rivers and boundaries being crossed, as in reference to so and so buddhist teachings. The conversations shifted to "Boy I wonder if ANYTHING is actually going to stick this time?".
To a large part you can blame the audience. Kind of like investing in cryptocurrency or any other scam, you only have yourself to blame to putting fancies in your head that were not meant to be there to begin with... but at what point does it become the story's responsibility to meet those expectations set for it?
I think if JJK wasn't set to end this year, or in the next couple years, we'd be in a pretty rosy place right now, because we'd have more to look forward too. More expectations to raise. More answers to questions that have been asked, but because we are in the finale and the realization that this might honestly be all we are going to get, it's frustrating. Because then the conversation shifts to "what could have been". And when you're done looking at the future, you start looking back at the story and start being more critical of the things you've once been hopeful for, annoyed it might not be addressed anymore.
JJk as a production is definitely cautionary tale to be sure. To burn bright like a flash, brilliant in the moment, but ending leaving you feel empty because that was it. Until you move on to the next cool thing.
As a short flash in the pan story, JJK is unbelievably peak, but to put down the people who genuinely believe it had staying power and was going to be something timeless, special, or just something more... that's a bit unfair to them I feel.
@@CloudyDazeGreat analysis! I was so interested in where the story could go after watching the anime, but the story drops so many things going forward that it feels like there could be a closet full of Chekov’s guns in Gege’s room.
I always hear that it’s non-standard story-telling, but I honestly just think it’s written like a short story rather than a book. The only thing keeping it from being that is just fighting. I can definitely tell they know how to make a short story, and maybe why they never had plans for a full series.
I just hate when people take something different to be something incredible inherently. Something can be different and incredible, but things can certainly be either or.
@@kitanat9944 I will say, following the behind the scenes commentary and events from Gege has been nothing short of disheartening. Part of the fun for me, and frankly to a lot of people, especially to the theorist spaces most likely, was to try to pick apart the themes and to find meaning and to make our own conclusions to the story. We originally attributed a lot of the clever ideas and twists to Gege as a mark of genius, because we had the idea in our head this all was intentional. Why else would things be put in the story if they did not need to be there.
Then come to find out that Yuki was originally supposed to be the main villain, Yuji was actually supposed to stay dead in chapter 9, with Sukuna jumping to Megumi making him the protagonist, Kenjaku being finalized as a character as he was sealing Gojo... the culling games as a whole being the only part of the series Gege was super looking forward to writing... it really kind of sent me a wake up call.
It's one thing to be proven wrong about a theory and fail to predict an outcome. That's all well and good. But I think you lose something when you find out there wasn't as much meaning in the original story as you thought. You feel betrayed in yourself and in the author because you built them up on a pedestal for essentially work that you put in to make this story work.
This is why I can proudly say the audience is mostly at fault for putting these expectations on Gege. The fact of the matter is, it just really wasn't ever that deep. We just put our own headcanon into thinking it was... but that still sucks. We can extrapolate and even theorize our own answers to our heart's content. But at this point we're better off just writing fanfiction. Because thematic spotting stops being about the work.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a fight manga is just a fight manga.
I've feel like I've been through the stages of grief in this series but I can say I can enjoy whatever experience this is. Non-conventional storytelling or not, I don't have to call it bad to say i don't enjoy it nearly as much as a story anymore. But I can still enjoy this cultural phenomenon of JJK as it stands. It's the most popular series around right now. I have fun with the toxic agendas and the memes. I even like watching theories and analysis and videos on JJK STILL. But I don't buy into the hype anymore and as sad as it is, I'd rather see this through to the end. I don't have expectations anymore because it wouldn't be fair to Gege. But I will enjoy the ride til the end to see how everyone else reactions.
@@CloudyDaze Summarized my feelings entirely.
Just disappointing when starting this series with my friend as I was theorizing so much and I couldn’t understand why my friend looked at me like that. He later told me he felt bad since he knew it just wasn’t that deep and didn’t know what to say. I was just left feeling angry thinking I’d found a Hunter X Hunter successor that was more my speed.
Looking back, it’s really not its fault it wasn’t what I hoped it was. Like you said, my hopes and expectations were wildly out of control and at the end of the day, this is just a battle shounen called Sorcerer Fight that may have been forced to look a bit different from the start because of editors.
[Goku Instant Transmissioning into JJK]
Goku: Here, you look like you need a senzu bean Mr Sukuna! :D
BRO LMAO
Thanks For The Senzu Bean broh....Oh By The Way ‘Can i Have your Body' ☠️ Jkk Over With ‘Kame hame ha’💀
“Ah yes, my summon goku technique, I haven’t used this sense the heian era”
I think Yuji to an extent also has a similar “less emotive/locked in” thing as Shibuya Sukuna, but I don’t think it’s a problem in nearly the same way. I think it’s primarily because:
A. Yuji is still clearly on his back foot, and not just tanking everything.
B. Alongside that, his stoicism is shaken way more often throughout the fight
C. While Sukuna’s eyes more often than not give the vibe of him being bored, Yuji’s eyes are constantly flared open, showing how locked in and focused he is on saving Megumi
TLDR: Wuji Himadori > King of Coincidences
Bro cooked
Wuji is mad that Bumkari is sitting there dancing with Uraume instead of helping them fight Fraudkuna
The problem is that Gege has no idea of how a tank should be written.
Many RPG players know that just eating damage is boring, unless your teammates kill the boss for you.
Sukuna has no allies to do damage for him, so nerfing his output made him as entertaining as a wall, that will occasionally lose a brick and hit the protagonists in the head.
I think the reasons why people are so done with this fight is that we are reading it week by week and JJK has a ton of breaks. Like since i binged most of this it didn't feel stale it just felt like a big fight. but i can see how it feels when you are stuck in this for like a year or something.
One of my biggest complains with Gege is that I think he offscreened both the world slash that killed Gojo and the purple that Yuta fired. We were excited to see what will happen with the puprle and next chapter is just "so it did hit, did a bit of damage. yea i won't show it to you"
I think people have been using the reading weekly excuse a bit too much recently. Sure, it is true to a certain extent, but at one point, it can't be use as defense anymore
You make a good point. In a series like JJK where most fights are technicial in some way, having Sukuna just survive because "he's tough" does seem weak from a storytelling standpoint. I personally don't mind it too much, but it definitely would have made things interesting if Sukuna had to constantly think of on the fly ways to outsmart our protagonists, showing how smart and skilled he is and why he was called the king of curses.
Right now he's looking more like the King of Raw Durability.
And I don’t exactly think he can do anything, I’d say Yuji domain is the end of him and a couple blows is all it takes. But yes, he is the King of raw durability
MULTI-CONTINENTAL
We go all the way back to Yorozu’s backstory when she met Heian Era Sukuna. He gave off the same vibes as he does now, complacent. Kinda just sitting there and reacting but never causing anything like he was in Yuji’s/Megumi’s body. It definitely explains why my interest in JJK has been dropping ever since the Gojo vs. Sukuna fight. It’s really hard to top something so hyped up since the beginning.
It’s weird part of me is like sukuna should of died fighting gojo but I know if that happened it wouldn’t feel right
@@BucketOfShameit’s just cux gojo is the goat 🥲❤️ rip
My main theory is still that Sukuna will lose in the most fitting way possible: By his own actions coming back to bite him. He's been continuously abusing binding vows so much that the image of him being squeezed to death by the metaphorical chains of his vows (demonstrating the process as he explained it to Yuji) will come to pass in reality as he will inadvertently break one of the vows he made, simply because he has made so stupidly many overlapped ones that he overlooked the details of one of them.
He tried to game the system, cheated continuously and shamelessly, and ultimately screwed himself over. The ultimate con artist, finally brought to his end, by his own hands.
Gege has always said all he cares about is realizing the story; and no matter how unsatisfying it may be, the story itself, as it is, DEMANDS that Sukuna can only be felled by his own failings, as the protagonists simply could not reasonably reach his, or even Gojo's, level in the limited amount of time they had, even with the soul swapping learning cheat.
It will be in the spirit of JJK's irregular-for-a-shonen-story format, as well.
So... yea; that's what I genuinely see happening.
As to what will happen following this, Sukuna will likely try to initiate the merger, proving himself a hypocrite in his final moments by clinging to life just as he did through his reincarnation as a cursed object, and Yuji will likely sacrifice himself to take in all the cursed energy of the world to erase the threat it poses to humanity, ironically serving as the ideal vessel for all the pain of humanity, going beyond what even Kenjaku had ever intended for him.
We shall see.
@@FictionPhilosopher cap
Binding vows are not cheating
The binding vows won't come back to bite him considering all of them he has to constantly uphold meaning he can't do the world cutting slash without the hand sign,chant and direction with two opposite hands. If he tries to it just won't work.
Many of sukunas binding vows are self imposed meaning they effect him and not someone else like the pact he did to bring back yuji.
ONLY BINDING VOWS MADE BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE ARE WHAT CAN BE BROKEN WHICH CAN LEAD TO UNIDETIFIED PUNISHMENTS
Sukuna is a genius at jujutsu he wouldnt make such a stupid mistake if he does ILL SUCK 5 DICK FROM TEN BIG BLACK MEN
I agree
@@RRyomenSSukuna sukuna glazer spotted
"I do not hate he is still standing, I hate how he is still standing."
Like.
As a Sukuna fan I love the criticism and I actually think you are correct on these topics great video
Stop it. He really said “the use of biding vows are realistic but boring” instead everyone should have just gotten stronger…
He’s suggesting that gege should turn JJK into solo leveling. Stop using clever ways of moving the plot forwards and just power up for entertainment purposes. L take.
@@eduardosantana8300all im gonna say is that Allons was right when saying that gojo’s students should all be stronger so that they can actually pose a threat to Sukuna instead of them just slowly using Yuji to weaken him is better narratively because Sukuna would be able to use his genius and jujutsu skills to defeat them all and truly prove why he is the strongest
@@Karatas008 they are stronger, so much stronger that even sukuna asked how they did it. Sukuna isn’t tanking anything. That’s a strawman. He is using his genius and skill to stay alive. The fight is a high stake for both sides. Making the students as strong as gojo, who is in his prime as a 30 year old, would be the kind of writing that gege is incapable of putting out there. And thank goodness.
Obviously this video is for engagement, there wasn’t anything he said the he could defend rationally when challenged. Hence the use of strawmen to make the entire video.
Now I ask you, when did sukuna tank a Jacob’s ladder?
@@eduardosantana8300 Spoiler alert!!! he didnt tank the Jacob's ladder. Its was interrupted early.
Same. i love sukuna but he doesn't feel as cool or as intimidating anymore more of a meatbag for the cast to show off their new feats. feels like a fall from grace now
One of my favorite videos I’ve watched on TH-cam this year
Glad u enjoyed man, that’s really motivating 🙏
Bros landlord is forcing him to pay Rent thats y he uploading so quickly
Well yeah lol
@@adlolalrounder and he has to upload rage bait, insane
@@RRyomenSSukuna nah
@@RRyomenSSukuna if you consider this rage bait instead of just someone giving a reasonable explanation on why sukuna is kinda boring in this form, I think you just show that you are close minded and can't be bothered to understand other's opinions on a topic.
that is if you are actually serious.
Sukuna isn't a cheater; he just has more knowledge. It's incorrect to call him 'stronger' then Gojo however, because physically, he stands next to no chance. Sukuna isn't the strongest because of his 'strength' but is the strongest in terms of his knowledge of Jujutsu. To put it bluntly, if he didn't have the knowledge of a barrierless domain, then Gojo quite literally neg difs. So, these Sukuna glazers who claim that he is far physically stronger, are just incorrect and are intellectually dishonest.
This fight boiled down to who had more Jujutsu knowledge, Gojo is only 28, whereas Sukuna is over 1000 and was born in the era where Jujutsu was at its peak, and he was the strongest in that era.
If we for instance, scale them to both have the same knowledge (aka, barrierless domain) then Gojo absolutely clears without question, no matter what side you glaze you can't deny that.
My entire point is that Gojo is stronger, Sukuna is smarter. Feel free to debate that, I'd love to hear why I'm wrong.
I think this is the only video that summarizes my thoughts just with a bit of differences.
Thank you for being a voice for me man lmao
Please don't die on September 26th 2024 at 3:23pm, I love you videos ❤️
Dw I plan to sleep all day on that specific date!
@@Allons-Y-04 Thanks for making it easy for me
@@RRyomenSSukunabro want revenge for the hate vid😭
Immensely specific!
They call him Fraudkuna for a reason
Wtf this comment make no sense
@@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN If you REALLY think hard about it it makes total sense!
@@GOJOANDSUKUNAFAN Your name makes sense.
Wukuna
@@xebec995 Nah. Webec995
I think the thing that bothers me with him is that he keeps doing these binding vows without really losing anything major not to mention every time we think the protags are making progress we get hit with "he's still holding back"
“I will be fully recovered with the loss of a strand of hair”
I agree I also thought his demeanor and personality changed a lot from Meguna to his Heian form and honestly think his Meguna form was his most peak so far
Agreed
I do expect him to cheat his way out of the max power Jacob's Ladder. You nailed it.
I actually think you summed up my feelings on the matter perfectly. Sukuna's cycle has become boring because Sukuna's approach to combat with these guys has been boring. The reason that Sukuna was such an incredible and intimidating villain wasn't just because he was the strongest, but because he was so knowledgeable and resourceful when it came to jujutsu that you couldn't even imagine our heroes outsmarting him, let alone actually beating him in a direct fight. Sukuna's battles showcased that he was the strongest, not even because of the strength of his cursed technique, but because of his ingenuity and proficiency with it that allowed him to straight up just outclass the other big 3. The reason Meguna has so much aura compared to his other forms is that now he gets a busted ability like 10s and he shows exactly how many options and tactical advantages he can make in a split second using 10s.
As Heian era, he's just a giant sandbag who eventually gets bored and one shots his opponents. The only person who has really done much to subvert this cycle is Yuji, who the story for some reason seems hellbent not to just let him keep cooking.
I agree that characters should have been allowed to get much stronger. Sukuna's overwhelming strength was only one part of why he was the strongest, and watching him finesse the cast with binding vows and obscure and genuinely inspired uses of jujutsu to pull the win even as he was slowly weakening from the gauntlet would have been a really cool way to show just how exceptional he really is. Instead we get people like Kusakabe getting to just combo the shit out of him until he gets bored and one shots him; Sukuna feels like an unbeatable tutorial boss, whose purpose is to let you smack him around until you've learned/showed all that you can do, then he just beats you to advance the story.
this is actually one of the best shinjuku arc criticism videos. love the actual thought and critique instead of mindlessly hating on the arc or giving a first grade level idea to make it better (gojo return). i was perfectly fine the way shinjuku was going in the manga but this video really showed me its short comings,, love that!
His criticisms were hollow and here's why.
1. He said Gege should have made anti Sukuna squad stronger which he did thru Ui Ui's soul swapping.
2. He said Sukuna should have died to Gojo's HP in 235 which can be debunked by Sukuna overestimating purple and Gojo not even aiming for Sukuna.
3. He said Sukuna should have used something else to evade Yuta's HP but didn't actually provide "How" and just said "Somehow". Also makes no sense how he expects Yuta to even master purple on the level of Gojo in such a short span.
4. Gojo's students being on his level defeats the theme of solitude being the absolute strength. Students can't become indivdually stronger than Gojo and thats a fact.
5. All of the problems wudn't even exist in the anime
This entire video feels like lashing out all anger on Sukuna which he feels cuz of all the hate Yuta is receiving.
Don't get me wrong I'm still absolutely loving it and I want everyone else to love it too. But nothing is perfect so obviously there are criticisms to be made... glad u enjoyed the video :)
The only thing I wanna talk about is your first point.
I know they got stronger via soul swaps but my point was very simple... I think they should have come out of that EVEN STRONGER than they did.
@@Juryoku113point still remains Sukuna should have died to hollow purple in chapter 235 ...Mahoraga who had adapted to blue and red still died to hp but sukuna survived ..how? Also the creativity part still remains.. characters like gojo with infinity can do many things like wrapping the space type shit but gege limited his character in that aspect against Sukuna for fair battle or plot armourb
@@Juryoku113 I mean honestly for point 2, Sukuna or Gojo underestimating something they have seen used multiple times just feels like really lame writing. These characters are shown as not only powerful, but incredibly smart. During their fight, they're constantly coming up with new tactics and discovering new stuff about jujutsu, and they were so evenly matched in ways to win it really did feel like whoever outsmarted the other won the fight. So to say that a character won because of an underestimation feels kind of dumb from a narrative standpoint. Saying "I will die if I'm hit by this", then getting hit by it, and going "lmao nevermind" is just sort of a dumb subversion imo.
It’s also annoying how most of the time we are in the anti sukunas team brain, like we see their plans, and their thoughts more often then sukunas
We rarely get sukuna internal monologue and we never get his plans within those monologues and it’s kinda sad, like during the gojo fight I wish he started thinking about the WCS, and how to pull it off, and I wish he started thinking about how he could get his domain back before he did
Its intentional because if we were given his inner monologue we would know what Sukuna would be planning and giving away Geges end game. Its the same durig Gojo vs Sukuna. While we got Gojos monologue we never got anything of Sukuna, if we did we would have read he was planning to use a Binding Vow way ahead of time before the outcome happen then getting an explanation 5 chapters later. Gege does this _alot_
@@SemekiIzuio I mean he never was planning to use the binding vow but fair view ig. It would’ve been nice if we got some leak before he opened his domain or used WCS
@@IsThatAThaiName yeah or have him admit he was tweaking in those Hollow Purples unlike whatever Uraume was saying.
@@SemekiIzuio Uraume is THE glazer, so whatever she says can be taken as simply, glaze
@@IsThatAThaiName i know! lol thats why I'm saying having Sukuna be the one saying he was pushing himself or trying or admit he was tweaking with those Hollow Purples
1:40 this is so true. Mahito and Kenjaku are way better villains. The only developments we've gotten from Sukuna is the Fallen One reveal, question of love and his family link with Yuji. None of those are really that interesting though
What's funny is that Sukuna becomes like this thanks to Kashimo. If Kashimo had not force him to transform, then we'd probably still have a meguna.
Ikr. In original form
EXACTLY! To me, I do not even see him as strong anymore. It is all about how much bs Gege can allow him to tank out of. There is no strategy in anything he does anymore. It is all about him getting beat up and Gege allowing him to tank it then a random convenient Binding Vow showing up. IT IS BORING and has destroyed this finale arc for me so far.. I think Meguna and Yujikuna were a MUCH better reputation of his title of the "strongest" and it feels like that title died with Gojo because I just do NOT see it with this Heian Sukuna. Like if Plot Armor was a character it would be Heian Sukuna. We do not want to see him tanking everything until Gege decides he is not important anymore. I wanted to see him OUTSMARTING the main cast which HAS NOT been happening.
People seem to overlook how Yuta's plan within his Domain Expansion WAS FLAWLESS. They had no trouble at all. Sukuna just sat there tanking everything... The only issue was Megumi. It had nothing to do with their plan. That SUCKS. The strongest actually got outsmarted.. And the only reason he survived was again... Because Gege decided to let him tank everything and have a convenient moment with his dismantle... It was nothing special..
It feels like Sukuna is braindead.... The only thing he does is gets hit. He is like a punching bag...
Spitting fax
It seems like gege is trying to portray sukuna as the strongest in way like saitama is which doesn’t really work with a story like JJK
Yes that's true like where is the king's strategy? Things are getting boring..I miss him planning and observing like he used to
Bro I swear ong we’re gonna see him tank maximum output jacobs ladder and have some BS on how he tanked it😭
“The heavy hitters should be stronger, not Sukuna be weaker” has literally been my main problem with JJK since post Gojo v Sukuna. That fight really did feel like both fighters were actively trying to twist their knives in at every angle possible, instead of after that where everyone keeps stabbing Sukuna and he just loses 1 HP each.
I love JJK’s fights because each fighter is attempting to bend around their opponent, and it’s always keeping the readers engaged. If every fight was just both fighters blasting each other with max output to see who would win, that would’ve made the whole series a snoozefest.
I hope that Gege is trying to mitigate this issue moving forward. Seeing Yuta’s HP basically be shrugged off makes NO SENSE. The attack literally destroys all mass in its path, how the fuck does that attack only result in his skin (bending the opposite direction to a circle, mind) being slightly burnt off? And it’s why everyone’s guessing that JL will just do nothing.
My personal issue with this arc is that gege has not explored binding vows enough and is using that vague term to cover his ass while still not exploring them.
JJK really hates the idea of rewarding the main cast and audiences for the sake of its realism. Gege couldn't realistically justify the idea of the main cast getting that much stronger in one month. At the same time, Gege really wanted to jump straight into the culling games arc, as seen in his original draft that got rejected.
The first 3 arcs, not incuding the Hidden Inventory/Premature Death/Star Plasma Vessel arc and JJK0, weren't long enough for the main characters to become strong enough in the Shinjiku Showdown arc.
So this leaves the treatment of Sukuna as the Raid boss of a game, with the main cast wayy to underleveled for the encounter. And so the only reasonable way to take him down is to hurl one after the other, whittling down Sukuna until he makes a mistake, leaving an opening for whomever is still left alive to finish him off.
So I really wished the end boss fight was Sukuna truly in his 20 finger prime, against the party of peak special grade sorcerers. Would have made the last arc way more enjoyable than beefcake Sukuna.
(Of course if the team planned any more competently, then Sukuna could have been long packed up by now in my opinion.)
I love this video. You did a great job pinpointing my exact problem with how this fight has gone ever since Gojo died. I don't have a problem with no individual student surpassing Gojo, but the idea was for the students to surpass him in the aggregate by working together to kill Sukuna. And I understand that Sukuna is the strongest, but him just tanking everything is only showing how ridiculously stronger Gojo is than all of his students COMBINED. Sure, buffing the students more or nerfing Sukuna less could've made the fight more exciting, but I think there could've been an even easier solution. Have Sukuna (or any character for that matter) acknowledge the fact that no one is actually going for a killing blow bc they're still trying to save Megumi!!! There have been multiple instances where a character could've decapitated Sukuna and just ended the battle (Gojo's first black flash, Maki's sneak attack, etc.), but no one mentions it! Instead Sukuna just loses an arm or his heart and gets slightly more nerfed which then requires even more plot armor for Sukuna to keep the fight going. I still wouldn't love this outcome but it at least would be better than Sukuna just having unlimited durability against anyone who isn't Gojo. It would also play into how ruthless Sukuna is as a character. He'd be taking advantage of the fact that all the other characters actually care about other people, whereas Sukuna only cares about himself.
you dont need to be the strongest in body or abilities to be the strongest all you have to do is find a way to out smart the strongest
Man, that was an actually good complaint that makes sense, I do think that everything thats happened so far does make sense. As you put it, its realistic the way Gege writes, and personaly I haven't been bored. However I can fully understand where your coming from and can see the flaws that your pointing out.
"alot of the time he just sort of looks bored like this is one big chore"
"you may argue its because hes locked the fuck in but i find that boring"
"hes not as crazy and as demented and unhinged as he used to be"
-uraume in bed
Thank you
Yeah, he’s just standing there…….like a raid boss
Completely agree. Not to mention the characters that got introduced, hyped up, and then killed just to make sukuna look stronger. Kashimo litterally accomplishes nothing in the overall story. He's just a device to make sukuna look threatening... right after he killed Satouru f*cking Gojo
I get your criticism. I think Gege is showing a character fault here: He made a really good strategy for Gojo and thaught that JUST saving his transformation and for later and receiving Kamutoke would be enough to beat them easily. He was cocky af as soon as his rival (Gojo) died and made decisions that go along this mentality. Like he was vs Higuruma. But he really didnt know abt the soul damage tactics which will prolly result in his loss soon.
It makes sense. What I'm saying is that this realistic approach is boring regardless of the justification...
Bro trying to defend Gege when Gege couldn't care less about defending his writing. The cycle will continue until he gets bored and will wrap things up in an unsatisfactory way
@@symeon5518many people talk about "Learn to sit back and watch", but somehow something feels wrong with this manga xD
@@symeon5518 nobody is "defending" anyone here, he just gave an explanation that would make sense with sukuna's character
Sukuna dodging yuta’s purple by ducking in the shadows while the purple still destroys both domains would be sick
Exactly
yeah, he should still have 10 shadows at his disposal, just that most of the relevant shikigami are dead at this point, so sukuna can suffice with just cleave and dismantle
but it would be cool to see him switch to and utilize 10 shadows in smart ways even though it's less effective at the moment
Ngl bro, Heian Sukuna was drained from his fight with Gojo, so ofc he's kinda off
Bro ik why he’s off im just saying that I find it boring regardless of the reason
So like when he used the slashes to stop yutas sword, later on instead of the slashes being limited to his palm he spawns it around his body so that they cant just hammer away at him while he soaks damage and they have to be careful and forced to not just machine gun punch him as he eats everything.
yeah, that was a brilliant display of skill, wish there was more of that from him
Caution. This comment became so much longer than i intended it to be. Read with care.
I think part of the reason why sukuna has been somewhat relegated to a "tank" is because almost none of the sorcerers fighting him have any character relevance to him. To most of the sorcerers, sukuna is just an enemy to defeat. There's no deeper reason for them to fight him. Yuji is arguably the only one that has a deeper reason to fight him, but we can't have the one on one so early in the fight, so we have to give individual moments to these characters to conclude their arcs.
Miguel, larue, and kusakabe are the prime examples of this. Each of them only regard sukuna as an enemy to defeat, and facing him means certain death. Kusakabe had this whole chapter dedicated to exploring him as a character, how he views himself as a weak coward and how despite that, people like mei mei, nanami, and gojo respect him for his strength and kindness. Miguel and larue also had half a chapter dedicated to their reasons and motivations to fight in the sukuna raid, being to mourn the losses of their family. Both of these examples have fuck all to do with sukuna as a character, and so their fights aren't as interesting.
Also, your critique of sukuna surviving yuta's domain because of megumi and not because of sukuna's tactical genius is a little short sighted, because sukuna doesn't always have to win thanks to battle iq. If megumi was in a better state of mind then sukuna would've lost, but the reason megumi wasn't in the first place was because of sukuna killing his sister and now his sensei. His actions from before directly helped his own survival, and i think that's a valid enough reason for him to survive that specific encounter.
Finally, and this is purely my own opinion, I prefer this new, calmer, sukuna. We have seen three versions of sukuna. itadori/sukuna, megumi/sukuna, and heian era sukuna. These three versions of him almost feel like three different characters. As if each form brought out three distinct characteristics of sukuna himself.
Itadori/sukuna is honestly my least favorite version. Part of it is because gege himself said that he didn't do much research on the real life ryomen sukuna and so in my opinion made him a bit one dimensional. He was manic, hysterical, and only cared about the pleasure right in front of him. It almost felt cartoony how one dimensional he was. The only thing that was interesting about him was his "enchain" vow and his plans for megumi. Even in shibuya, despite showing his overwhelming might and devastating destruction in the fights with jogo and mahoraga, I still didn't think that he was that interesting because we had seen it all before from other series. Hell, mahito seemed more interesting than him.
When he took over megumi's body, though, that's when i found him interesting. His actions had made a permanent turn in the story, flipping the entire premise upside down. Back in ch 214 when itadori and sukuna were grabbing each others necks, calling back to that color page of them doing that exact thing, i finally understood the gravity of the conflict between these two. I finally understood why sukuna was the big bad. His whims turn the story on their head, his actions hurt everyone around him, and his presence is felt throughout the whole story. The exact moment he takes megumi's shadows, we truly see the darkness of his malice. In megumi's body, he's more cunning, more patient, more calculative. He doesn't care if he has to use megumi, a teenager, to tank unlimited void. He doesn't care about looking weak while getting beat up by gojo. He doesn't even care about being the strongest. All he cares about is his own pleasure and displeasure.
And then we get to heian era sukuna. His form and body language exude superhuman. He feels regal, and immovable. His calculative shadowy aspects are put aside, and his whimsical, pure might is shown on full display. Even while taking on yuji and yuta, he remains idly smiling. even while taking a beating from the two of them, he fights back with a smile. his attitude alone is interesting to read. I feel like this is truly sukuna in his final form. Both physically and characteristically. He's returned to his original form, has his full power back, and taken back his status as the strongest. This is the perfect balance of his early series mania and his current "divine" presence. The entire final arc is a singular fight with sukuna. It literally revolves around him. He is the main constant throughout this fight. I don't think there has ever been a final arc like that in anime manga history.
And of course, there's his disregard and hatred for yuji. The interesting thing with these two's dynamic, is that before, sukuna was this ticking time bomb just waiting to explode. He was the unstoppable force to yuji's immovable object. Sukuna was the one challanging yuji, breaking him again and again only for yuji to keep getting back up. Now, in this final arc, it is sukuna that is the one being challenged. After killing gojo, sukuna had become "the strongest," the reigning champ, the final boss. It was now sukuna's turn to defend his title, his entire being from yuji and his unbreakable soul. Now in ch 257 sukuna can't even make yuji flinch anymore. The only time that made yuji waver for a moment was when sukuna mirrored what happened back in shibuya, razing the entire city of shinjuku, but thanks to the combined efforts of his old and new brothers, he bounced right back. Now yuji has become the unstoppable force, with sukuna's immovable status breaking chapter by chapter. Even if this video is true on all fronts, to me this single dynamic is the one reason i'm locked in till the end
Did I talk abt Yuta’s domain in this vid? I definitely didn’t say it was cus of Megumi he won did I???
I actually really like the fight in Yuta’s domain cus it felt like there was actually stakes… until Sukuna did a wcs that he should never have been able to do 😭
@@Allons-Y-04 I mean, there was no comfirmation that it was the space slash. Sure, the story added the chant to make it easier to differentiate it from normal ones, but it could've just as easily been a strengthened slash
@@Dan-neil no I’m pretty sure there was something that confirmed it in 261…
@@Allons-Y-04 mmm, I mean, this is semantics, but it only says that he got split in two like gojo and yuta really is the only other person that was split in two. Higuruma got his stomach sliced open, choso was impaled, kashimo got diced, kusakabe might count but it didn't seem like his torso was falling off like yuta or gojo. More than likely you're right, but there's no hard evidence.
Thank you for putting the shiestyest sorcerer ino " the shiesty sorcerer" takuma where he belongs
to be fair, he was able to plan for Gojo. The other stuff, he’s improvising pretty much.
i think sukuna is still holding back
if that makes sense
it's why he falls back into his nonchalant or bored state once he realizes his opponents are not what he was expecting
at the start of the fight with gota, he looked all excited, but then went back to looking bored or confused when he noticed yuta was having trouble adjusting to the new body and using the ct
or how he shoved yuji to the side when he saw gota, like "i don't want to play with you brats anymore"
even though they are putting in the work and damaging sukuna,
for some damn reason, sukuna is not going all the way
and i still don't think we have a full explanation on shrine, which i kinda find weird how everyone acts like they fully understand it
I think he’s trying to play it off as being bored but really he is just burning out
I agree with this soo much
The [problem with the Meguna fight is that Meguna didn't really THINK forward as much as Gojo did because he already HAD the information and counter to Gojo's abilities. Sukuna won by cheating which is why I see GOJO as the STRONGEST still.
Also like someone mentioned him offscreening gojo was not it
I kind of agree. I recently watched a video where the TH-camr compared a character to Sukuna, saying that the character has Sukuna-level aura. Now, Sukuna doesn't even have "Sukuna-level aura." And that's crazy.
Engagement comment. Hoping for a new variation to the cycle this coming chapter.
"yujikuna sounds weird, I'm going to just call him Shibuya Sukuna"
Next sentence: "Yujikuna"
Only issue I would have with the students getting closer to gojo would be it would seem even more unrealistic that sukuna would weasel his way out of the attacks sure sukuna will adapt but so will the other students, expecially yuta with his billion plans. But I do think that it would make sense for them to get closer to gojo but maybe since they didnt have much time they lack experience? which is why sukuna can avoid the? idk im rambaling just adding a few things that I found intresting ig. (lots of shit is spelt wrong but frankly I cant be fucked to edit it so yeah have fun with this.)
He killed my goat...Ryu ishigori...The myth,the man and the legend himself gone..by that damn sukuna😔
Best jjk discussion channel 🙌🏽
Appreciate the video, bro ❤
10:08 Via the deaths of everyone but Yuji or Megumi. Curses become stronger after death so having say Yuji inherent the curses of everyone who's past on is good reason for him to surpass Gojo. There's also the idea of Megumi killing himself only to come back as a stronger curse with a ten shadows design. He could be the Chimer of the entire technique!
Yeah, after everything that's happened, I have no expectations of Jacob's Ladder actually progressing things positively for the protags
9:48 We got Allons-Y glazing Hakari before gta 6
Another banger! OuO Right before breakfast. keep up the good work! Momo glaze when?
Momo glaze? Hell no
Gotta remember, to be smart, strategic, creative etc. you need to be *not tired* and badly injured. Fatigue really affects the brain: Brain needs a steady blood pressure just to work properly. To me, using only binding vows, means that Sukuna is getting too tired and is working more on autopilot, using binding vows that he has thought of before the fight, instead of thinking on the fly.
YES MY BROTHER, SPIT YO SHIT INDEED!!
Now THIS is something I love too see though ngl.
You have the potential.... don't waste it, I've seen people like you... those who disregard the words off others and continue on their own paths. Yet U still keep your humanity...that is your weakness. Don't only disregard the words off others but also hate on everything to entertain too the fullest.
Continue on this path and you shall reach that realm Where Broken Ronin and No Operator along With Eternal Flame.....
The realm of the Yapping Ones.
(Yeah the Lobotomy is getting too me I'm gonna go read some Sherlock Holmes or smthn. But all I'll say is this.......SPIT YO SHIT INDEED)
I have some crackpot theories about what's gonna happen, i see that jjk is all about jumping vs soloing and paralells, no jumping has ever gone wrong for anyone in jjk, including the bad guys, jumps have always "won" in jjk in one way or another, as for parallels, the way i see it, yuji will somehow eat sukuna (who has parallels to mahito and will get "eaten" the same way) and somehow seal megumi (who has parallels to gojo and will get sealed too), since geto/psuedo geto has parallels with yuji
it's a theory but i think sukuna will basically give up on breaking yuji's ideals and kill yuji in the real world, straight up, and eat him in front of the cast gruesomely, making yuji reach closure in reaching his ideal of martyrdom and fulfilling the curse set up by yuji's grandfather, and simultaneously having sukuna break his own ideal set up in chapter 248 (when sukuna was on the bridge thinking to himself, he had developed a singular ideal or desire to shatter yuji's ideals) and essentially sealing sukuna's fate to die (toji said he lost as soon as he twisted his own ideals when gojo purpled him, same thing will happen to sukuna), basically, sukuna will set up the dominos for his own downfall by twisting his own newfound ideals (hating on yuji lol) and pretending he still has no ideals like before
I think it's set up prior and that there's no asspull if yuji will survive anyway because he turned his own finger into a cursed tool right before getting eaten, pulling a fast one on sukuna and "infiltrating" megumi's body as the last part of the jumping plan (plan z), which is where yuji will actually dominate and eat sukuna's soul with megumi and ten shadow's help and basically control megumi's body ("sealing" megumi like kenjaku sealed gojo? Or controlling megumi like yuta controlled gojo?) then yuji will start the merger by killing all his allies for the requirement set up by the culling game (he'd somehow be giving everyone a good death?) And the series somehow ends on a bittersweet note with yuji in megumi's body starting the merger to fix everything i guess
I mean, jumpings had failed before, but the point is the "new way" vs "old way" with the new way giving space for everyone to live up to their ideals without being forced into twisting them, noritoshi kamo jr. For example wasn't forced to join in, as only those who were ok with endangering their lives were allowed to the frontlines
Poor Yuji man :(
The opponents are not Satoru Gojo, that may be a why he is more carefree.
Yup
Really good takes.
goated vid bro
Bro even if I disagree with everything you say I'm gonna like because I appreciate people putting out their thoughts on art that I like, simple as that.
After listening to the video I have to agree though. A lot of what I do is D&D, and a lot of enemies in D&D are just damage sponges, especially late game. I always like to spice things up by giving enemies unique things they can do so that the battle kind of changes as it goes along rather than just have the players burn spells and abilities to chew through hundreds of hit points, you know? It feels like Gege is somehow hitting this problem via writing.
I'm pretty sure you were always on the glaze of Gege and Sukuna... y'all not be inconsistent. I still dropped a like tho because I support the bag
I was scrolling through my TH-cam feed when I had saw this video. Since I had nothing really better to do at the moment, and I was a bit interested, I decided to sit down and patiently listening to what you had to say before forming my own response, even if it isn’t wanted.
I’m not one of those people who love to dick ride the King of Curses himself, Sukuna, though I can very much say that he’s one of my favorite all time antagonists in anime for sure. He’s cocky, tactical, selfish, powerful, and works extremely well with the protagonists of the story.
Before I continue I’d like to say that as much as we joke about Gege being a bad or terrible writer, he truly isn’t. JJK takes the reader seeing certain things or narratives that the writer makes in order to show why things are happening in a certain fashion, and just because we can’t see or understand them at the moment, does mean their bad (this is mostly for everybody in the comments).
Sukuna vs Gojo, the two current strongest in the JJK world. It was such an amazing fight that showed us what JJK is all about, and it does it perfectly as we watch Gojo and Sukuna go back and forth trying to out do the other, as it’s not about power in that fight, but adapting to the situation and deceit. Gojo starting the fight off with a 200%-300% Hollow Purple that was hidden from Sukuna, Sukuna using the Ten Shadows to slowly understand how to get around Gojo’s defense, Gojo slowly adapting to Sukuna’s Domains Clashes, and lastly Sukuna landing the final blow on Gojo after catching him off guard, since Gojo never expected to get hit by one of his slashes, let alone one that could actually reach him.
And after Gojo goes down, we watch as the students and friends he’s made along his life as the strongest come to face down against the man that since the beginning of the anime has been talked about.
I disagree with your state of the cast being made stronger, as it’s crazy enough that they can last this long with the man of legend himself. Gojo believes that the new generation of sorcerers should be stronger then whatever ranks have been placed upon the sorcerer society, and they are. Yuji, the child blessed sparks. Yuta, the cursed child. Maki, the monster of the Zenin Clan. Hakari, the luckiest man alive.
Because the strongest is down they now all have to wittle away at Sukuna, either falling after they’ve served their purpose in the story, or evolving to new heights.
Whenever a character fights Sukuna, it shows us that while they aren’t all at the level of Gojo just yet, them working together allows them to push back against one of the strongest.
Yuji and Yuta vs Sukuna was amazing. First, I have to say this. They weren’t tanking his slashes fully because he was weakened, as within this showdown we learn that their Curse Reinforcement has gotten a lot stronger, allowing them to tank them better.
Now then, Yuta and Yuji weaken his combat capabilities, his ability to his CT, and damage him a bit before their fight ends, which is amazing. Some of the strongest of the new gen being able to even deal that much significant damage to a man of legend spoken about and feared throughout the JJK world is fantastic and shows how much they’ve grown.
The “Sukuna Cycle” might be boring to those who don’t wanna really look into things, though it’s exciting to see how the character use what they have to slowly break down the king or evolve.
Do I think Sukuna is more boring after the Gojo fight, not really. Sure, he’s not the chaotic crackhead we all know and love, though that’s because he’s literally fighting children verse one of his favorite fights ever. Yes, it’s very in character for him to be bored and to not really use complicated stuff against people who he doesn’t respect or take seriously enough on a consistent basis.
JJK is more of a serious anime than anything, so watching Sukuna stances up against Yuji in that panel you used a lot in your video makes sense. He’s fighting somebody who has the potential to climb up to his level, and he hates Yuji the most, he’s not gonna smile, he’s gonna think. And it makes the scenes where he does show those moments of excitement or anger better.
And as for the JL Hana used on him, because of her arm being missing she can’t achieve the same output as she normally would be able to. If you pay close attention to when a character loses an arm, there is always some draw back that comes with it, like the old fast guy being caught by Jogo because his missing arm threw him off, or show Sukuna can’t do WCS without his other arms.
I truly just think the only actual issue here is that the manga takes a while to come out, and reading this fight every week or two weeks makes these things you have to actually read into kinda a drag to some people.
The thing is tho… I understand and can appreciate all of this already. It all makes sense and I do think Gege is a great writer… but in this case it ‘making sense’ doesn’t rly stop me from finding it boring.
Gojo vs Sukuna on the other hand is genuinely peak so we can agree on that for sure
The way I would describe my feelings on how the story has been would be that its only felt like the anti sukuna team has been losing not that sukuna is winning. If that makes sense
How dare you insult sukuna kaisen, it is flawless in every way. (I am being held at gunpoint by Gege)
Ikr
A Sukuna slander video is definitely what I needed this early morning… ☺️
I’d argue that the only one who was truly improvising in the Gojo V Sukuna fight was Gojo. It was stated that from the beginning Sukuna’s entire plan was to use mahoroga to adapt to Gojo. Even when Gojo took over momentum in the fight with his black flashes, sukuna just hid in the shadows hoping mahoroga would adapt before Gojo could destroy it.
If he finds a way that bypasses gojos technique he would never have to deal with the six eyes again, he’s usually passive with opponents he’s interested in mahoraga, gojo, maki he all fights passively while not going all out like gojo states after death.
The most impressive thing sukuna has done this entire showdown is pop a domain and fire arrow. People say he’s the strongest but he hasn’t done anything to show it but just survive everybody’s devastating techniques which are pretty much rendering him a cripple
Outmatched everyone in the series, and dominated the strongest time in history, gojo would be the next best, no one else remotely in the cast can fuck with gojo so why could anyone else damage him without yuji💀
@@theycallmetray396his showcase as the strongest was the most mediocre showcase I’ve ever seen. He took so much damage and got beat up so much, and it didn’t start getting interesting to watch him fight until he hit his first black flash. Gojo is a whole other conversation.
Here is way to make it more exciting, have Saluna use his slashes as a wall. He did against Yuta's kitana in the first round, hasn't done ot since.
11k lesssgoo.
Im sorry but the title is so funny to me cuz it implies someone out there thinks SUKUNA is a good person 😭
faxxxxxxxxxxx. Sukuna was pretty much batman before .... now hes a trash early days superman who just cant be beat?
As a sukuna glazer Honestly I agree with this standpoint what makes Sukuna interesting to me is the ways of how he outsmarts his opponent and learns how to defeat his opponents instead of being able to tank everything a great example of that is in his fight with Gojo and Mahoraga but now it’s just binding vows which I find a bit annoying and stale but I wish Sukuna would use binding vows in a more interesting way like when he made a binding vow to create a domain expansion because he couldn’t use his normal hand sign because his brain was damaged and his binding vow to create a world slash requiring 3 arms instead of 2 and stuff like that but I still believe in Gege sure I wouldn’t call him a perfect writer but I feel like at the end of the day we will all look back at this and start to think maybe the shinjuku showdown arc wasn’t that bad
Bro what are u talking about? You say the bv are getting stale but at the same time say they're good? The only binding vows sukuna has used in the shinjuku fight are the two binding vows u mentioned.
I always thought that he was as seemingly psychotic in Yuji because he incarnated after a long time being just fingers so he was enjoying himself.
it was all rushed so i didnd't expect much myself
To be honest, being dishonest (or cojones no hablo inglés) its the main point in sorcery fights
After the 264 leaks this video is truer than ever lol
being inside his pookie megumi made him less deranged
@@ginnogianni1980 wow
11:20 the fact you included the 🐐 ino… bravo sir
Okay, this is my second comment after viewing the video. I agree with you. The cast the should’ve been a lot stronger, but I really blame Sukuna for that. Him being a tank within itself is a feat on its own merits. There should’ve been given much more time to the cast to train and get closer to Gojo level to even ensure that Sukuna is to pull all the stops to win.
Now I have absolutely no issue with how the battle has been playing out so far. Sukuna using binding vows to the extent that it’s being used is a stroke of genius and talent on his side of things. Truthfully, if the cast was stronger, then Sukuna trying harder would definitely change the outcome of the story.
For better or worse? I have no idea. The story is still currently going so we’ll have to wait and see.
This is the best video I’ve seen about this. These were exactly my thoughts. I hate the people who say “people when the strongest is being the strongest”. That’s not the issue, the issue is that it’s so boring to read, and sukuna doesn’t seem like himself. This is the most boring way to do a raid battle. As controversial as the fight was, I think Kaido did it better.
THANK YOU!!!!!! Finally someone puts words to my thoughts, it's turned super boring and non of the "potential" the new generation of sorcerers we said to have is even close to being fulfilled, i literally lost all investment in this super genius villain and his last fight just cuz since gojo went 2 seperate ways it was the same idea with different text "omg this is it he's depleted and took so much dmg, oh he tanked it and is still the same lvl post every supposed nerf he had during the fight" it sad how jjk is going compared to the sukuna vs gojo fight, i know people like to say let gege cook but even his hyped reveals post SvG were meh at best
Even when they defeat Sukuna, we’re going to have to live with the fact that Sukuna just completely and willfully threw the fight. Unless he gets ANOTHER full heal, even if he goes all out now he’ll bw held back by all the damage and debuffs he let himself take by holding back. We’ll never see an actual full-power Sukuna, and it’s because he full well threw.
1:55 - Sukuna likes to fight for fun.
Kill weak people.
go on the occasional GTA style rampage.
Get worshipped like any Athlete that wins.
He hates Yuji because Yuji is the twin he ate to live. That twin living invalidates his decision and every decision he has made so far.
Furthermore, that twin is about to surpass him and no matter what, he JUST. WON'T. STAY. DOWN.
I take back what I said last vid, this man aint gege 😹
Gege wouldn't hate on his King like this lmao
Sukuna will be within a inch of his life as Yuji walks towards him saying “You’ve got no more CE. I cant let you get away after all you have done. Im doing this for all the people you have murdered. The innocent lives you took. I can never forgive you for that.” Sukuna looks down at his hands and smiles. Looking up, he closes his eyes and says “Yuji, you really grown huh? Haha. I guess my job here is done brother. You dont need me anymore.” Yuji stops in his tracks and says “What the hell are you talking about?!” Sukuna gets up and walks to Yuji and puts his fist on his heart. “Make sure you never lose and hold your head high Nephew. I taught you that there isn’t anything you cant overcome” Sukuna falls on his face as Yuji stands there in awe then states “maybe the real kaisen was the you are my special nah i’d win for the jujustu along the way” :’)
The end. You’re welcome.
once season 3 and 4 gets animated , you will see how all sukuna version are just as interesting
voice acting and mappa animation plays a big part.
I agree 1000000%. It will change how so many people view JJK... just watch me switch up and become a Hakari, Kashimo glazer lmao
literally everyone has been saying sukuna is going to make a binding vow to not hate yuji fro a few seconds so he can tank Jacobs ladder
i think this problem covers the whole series, the difference between the stronger and weaker characters make everything feel so empty, for example when hanami was fighting the students, Megumi , Maki , Inumaki and Noritoshi didnt manage to do shit against Hanami, but Yuji and Todo did, that means one of them shouldn't be able to fight with yuji or todo, it would be like fighting with something but your attacks dont do damage and you cant take any either
I love Sukuna because of what he means to the story. In volume zero Jujutsu Kaisen is a story where the curse of love reigns supreme in the modern era. But once Sukuna is incarnated this narrative shifts, chapter one is literally named after him. Yuji and Megumi are like ants to this freaky ass malevolent deity and while Gojo does stomp his ass this shift in narrative from love to malice is only reaffirmed, first when Mahito casts kills Junpei and casts his domain, then when yuji and nobara power up by ending lives and I think this comes to a boiling point when Sukuna wreaks havoc on Shibuya. When he kills Jogo he says to reach the heights of the strongest you must burn all you desire to a cinder and leave your comrades in the dust. Sukuna is such a dawg the themes of the narrative bent to his will. But I'd say it doesn't feel special anymore once we enter the culling games which is why Sukuna taking over Megumi and becoming a major player renewed that mysticism to him. But now in Shinjuku showdown there's really nothing interesting going on with Sukuna, even that battle hungry attitude has been toned down so he feels a lot more generic at the moment.