I’ll always remember the original in review for this movie being one of my favourites, Greg on top form and that hilarious nick going to the bathroom story
I was really looking forward to this pod Every week. Carboni was perfect and will be missed 🥲. sucks that blessing and Andy wasn’t around for the last re watch .
Re the red and black suits. The original Spider-Man costume was black and red, blue highlights were used to high-light black in old comics. It’s why Superman has ‘blue’ hair. So the blue on the suit isn’t the primary color it’s just the highlight at the time.
10:38 Blessing is the best. This is exactly what this franchise needs, in my opinion, let Spider-Man be Spider-Man. Do PETER-centered stories that immerse us in his world, with a close knit circle of friends, family, work, school, etc, where he needs to balance all of those obligations along with his obligations as Spidey. When he leans too far into being Spider-Man, he does save lives but hurts his relationships by missing the big moments in his personal life. He turns his back on being Spider-Man, and he lives the trauma of Uncle Ben's death all over again -- he could have done something, but he failed. We get close to that struggle (in some ways) in FFH, but we don't ever quite land it in a way that feels quintessentially Spider-Man. I think another trilogy that can develop his friendships and personal life more will rectify that. It's why Spider-Man 2 is still my favorite (just barely edging out Spider-Verse). I don't need Peter, when he is in his own movies, to really move the needle of the MCU. It takes a character with an identity that typically sits outside the rest of the Marvel universe when there is not an intentional crossover, and tries to make him function in a way that I don't think plays to the strengths of the character. Still, I'm just so happy to have some good Spider-Man movies, and promising looking ones coming soon.
I love this movie. I think the comedy is top notch and it’s just so fun. Gyllenhal is top tier once the reveal happens, I remember thinking his performance was so generic for the first half but then it gets so good once we learn the truth. I also think the action sequence at the end is fantastic, pure Spider-Man fun on a scale we haven’t seen yet.
Say what you will about this movie but at least Tom has never done the stalker thing or laid hands on MJ. It also has one of the best MCU scenes in that mysterio scene.
To comment on talking about Fury and Hill being a little "off" and it being part of the reveal later and how good that is. Pretty sure I read that neither of then knew their characters weren't really themselves. So my guess is they would have been directed to act certain ways to get that effect without being told why or they actually were just phoning it in and it happened to work out lol.
It's the latter, because the Skrull twist was thought of after the movie had finished filming, when Jon Watts saw _Captain Marvel_ during post-production of _Far From Home_
I honestly have no idea how Tim can like the “let me borderline fourth wall breakingly explain that I’m actually the villain”. I thought it was the absolute worst part of this movie, it made it hard for me to take the rest of the film seriously.
Last Monday, I watched Homecoming and y'all put out Matrix. This Monday, I watched Reloaded and y'all put out Spider-Man 😂 Could you guys please start doing the "homework" Tweets again for clarification?
Sorry Ben. What you did was what we said was happening, but both weeks last minute schedule changes messed us up and we had to just roll with it the best we could. Trust me, more than anyone I wish we could just stick to the calendar, but it has just been getting harder and harder, especially with Greg out. I appreciate the patience! -Tim
@@kindafunny Ah no worries man, I'm just grateful to have In Review at all! Hope things get a bit easier for you guys once Greg's back and the holidays wind down 👍
May being "the cool aunt" makes no sense. If the Snap hadn't happened, then I get it. But she should be terrified that Peter is going out and being Spider-Man since HE DIED.
He didn’t die, he was literally erased from existence, at random, it had nothing to do with what he was doing or who he was. if anything that would convince her more to be the cool aunt bc life is so short and can be over in an instant.
I like this one but the drone stuff really sticks out to me... especially the fact that Tony gives a 16 year old kid access to a massive arsenal of weaponry and what I assume is the worlds largest surveillance apparatus. Wasn't there an entire Captain America movie about how it is immoral to have the ability to assassinate anyone on the planet at the push of a button?
How did we skip the final end credit scene that is legit BS. Like, I think it's great that we're getting JJ, but there is no way anyone would believe that butchered, cut up video clip from the guy that just CLEARLY attacked London. Where is all the actual news and civilian footage of Spider-Man destroying and dismantling all the drones around the bridge? And at it's worst, all it would take is for Fury to send one of those Skrulls back as Peter to get saved by Spider-Man to address any concerns about his identity. This is the easiest situation to clean up, and I don't understand how they are going to spin it against him.
We live in a world where people don’t believe verifiable facts in favor of clearly debunkable conspiracy theories and feelings of entitlement. People would ABSOLUTELY believe Spiderman did that with very little proof just bc it’s easier and because he’s different from them.
@@Ha1frican touche. I would agree, but I mean, this isn't something that would be grainy video from a dark alley. There would be so much footage of Spider-Man destroying these drones that it would not make a bit of sense for him to be the one in control. Especially if everyone believes him to be some 16 year old kid. There's just some giant leap pills to swallow. But then again...
@@Jaws1015 People believed 5G towers created Covid-19 based on Facebook posts with text over 240p images. Ignorance and misinformation are so easily spread now, hell people think footage from the ISS is cgi why wouldn’t they think videos of Spidey that don’t confirm what they want to believe wouldn’t just be CGI sponsored by the Stark foundation? For every obvious example of truth there’s be 10 dumb conspiracy theories making people question it just like is really happening
Outside of SM2 I'd rather watch the MCU versions than the previous any day because of how much is objectively bad about what came before. I really don't get how someone can rank SM1 over either of these two, y'all are wild lol
@@MaxwellSmartOddy Art as a whole and the thoughts/feelings it provokes are subjective but there is absolutely objectivity in art especially within things like film making that involves a myriad of technical processes (line delivery, writting, cgi, editing, etc.) to create the "art."
@@_JohnC_ I'm more sympathetic to that argument when it comes to things like line delivery and bad dialogue, but a lot of the things you might find campy or cringeworthy in the Raimi films, for example, evoke in me the exact feelings that he wants them to. And the opposite goes for the MCU films; almost none of the humor works for me, and I find the cinematography and CGI to be fairly uninspired in comparison, even if it might technically be better.
They were saying it's hard to stick the landing in a trilogy, but one thing we have to remember is that this isn't a bookend, some elements of this will surely leak into Dr. Strange 2, and then there is the announced next set of Spiderman movies, so it doesn't have to be a full blown closing of this chapter of Peter's life, it just has to have enough closure in specific areas, or at least leave things settled.
This movie feels really strange to me. It's good and fun, but it forgets the message of the previous movie only to do like a weaker version of it. At times, it doesn't even feel like you're watching a Spider-Man movie (I always think of the scene on the bus with the EDITH drone as a prime example). I don't dislike it, and Mysterio is awesome, but it feels like it's even further from what I'm looking for than Homecoming was.
@Erik Kemeey but that’s exactly the issue. It continues a message that we had already wrapped up. The first one ends with him feeling like it’s okay to be a “friendly neighborhood Spider-Man” and his own man and then this movie happens and we have the same journey but with less of a focus
@Erik Kemeey I definitely think that's a charitable read on this film, it is inextricably linked to whether or not he will be "the next Iron Man" and I think that sucks. I just wish they had focused on making these good Spider-Man movies instead of focusing on other aspects of the franchise (his relationship with Iron Man, and now his relationship with the previous versions of the franchise in NWH).
@Erik Kemeey I definitely am fine with that, I’ve been a huge comic reader most of my life, I feel like they’re able to still focus the storylines and not revolve around that shared universe. I don’t hate these movies or anything I just feel like they’re the most popcorny in the MCU and I wish they had been a little tighter. I’m always hoping they bring it around though, and I hope NWH isn’t a mess
I could not agree more with Tim that as a second MCU Spider-Man movie, this doesn't work too well. It feels like there should have been a movie before this where Peter could just be Spider-Man and also build stronger relationships with his classmates.
Honestly I think the relationship between Peter and his supporting cast (other than Ned) is the weakest piece of this franchise (that said, I do enjoy these MCU Spidey flicks). I like the supporting cast, but they feel more like vectors for MCU-style-humor, not characters we're invested in and who are close to Peter Parker. These movies do the power/responsibility balance with Peter always needing to choose: "do I be with friends or save lives?" And as one might expect, he always chooses to save people, but this has happened consistently without really developing his connection to anyone other than Ned IMO. All that to say, I don't feel like you see that classic struggle that Peter has, where he often has to be Spider-Man, but inadvertently hurts his relationships as Peter Parker by doing. It feels more like the poor guy just misses out on his childhood and just always sits on the outside- which FFH does acknowledge at least.
I think Karen isn’t in this because if you remember he wasn’t supposed to have her. He hacked into the suit to get her, but after that Tony took the suit back and probably reset it before giving it to him again at the end of that movie. Then in the next one he got the Iron Spider which probably also had a version of the training wheels program on it so it wouldn’t have had her either. Then when Peter makes his suit in Far From Home he intentionally simplifies it in some ways so he probably didn’t include all the extra stuff that Tony did with the first Stark suit including Karen
Showed thought: Tony failed to put a suit of armour around the world, so instead he put a suit of armour around HIS world with Spiderman, Pepper, Rhody etc
I only wish they did the "you gotta be Spider-man, don't be Iron Man" better... I wish he did the final fight with his old suit, or even the homemade suit. But Disney has to sell those damn toys tho.
It's what killed this movie and the rest of MCU Spidey for me. He'll never get any victories on his own merit, just his iron boy talents at making new suits to solve his problems aka sell toys with every movie. It's Dan Slott era Spider-Man vibes when he was making new suits for no reason. Cool but not Spider-Man.
@@jphugo15 he may use the stark tech but those are not the stuff he uses to win the fights, he uses tools ie the sign and club for weapons because he remembers the captain America fight with thanos and as a kid you’d obviously idolise that being a teen in a world of heroes. Also uses his own spider sense (not a fan of Peter tinkle) to fight hidden drones. I’d love him to use an OG homemade suit but kids will buy the toys and the fans love an upgrade suit. This is mid tier for me but much better than spiderman 3.
I like how Marvel gave Thanos' snap a proper name "The Decimation" yet beginning with this movie they just called it "The Blip" and everyone within the MCU refers to it as "The Blip" since then lol.
Can I just say, not to take anything away from Martin Starr... but every time I see his character on screen, he makes me think of Rob Bourdon, who is the drummer for Linkin Park. Not his look in the early days, but the long hair, the beard, the glasses.... it's all right there.
This cements that Blessing not only has the best taste in film of anyone at Kinda Funny, but he's also the best at articulating his opinions succinctly. I'd love for him to be part of more In Reviews going forward.
36:51 objection. Private Jets are bad for the environment. You know what's not, literally taking flight yourself as Rage against the machine comes on. I rest my case.
another thing that I just despise about this movie is how they made all of the character development from homecoming mean nothing where he rejected iron suit and being new iron man but embraced being spiderman, and here they all just made him to be new iron man which just goes againt everything that spiderman stands for
That’s not the fault of the movie though, more the timeline in the mcu. Homecoming was before IF and EG. It made sense him keeping the iron spider suit because it reminded him of Tony. The Europe fights he’s using the noir suit and then makes his own in the final fight. I don’t dislike the fact that they use stark tropes but it does make sense in the timeline of the MCU and the way peter would be feeling after Tony’s death.
33:25 actually Nick, Samuel L. Jackson & Cobie Smulders played Nick Fury & Maria Hill as themselves because the Skrull thing was a post-production addition. Jon Watts saw _Captain Marvel_ during post-production & decided to make Fury & Hill Skrulls as a post-credit, using a deleted scene of Fury & Hill in a car + bringing in the Skrull actors. So the actors were kinda phoning it in, it just worked out in their favor.
I got HUGE Spider-Man 2 (Activision game) vibes from this Mysterio. Did you guys notice that the opera theatre where the high school kids are looks EXACTLY THE SAME as the theatre where you play The Floor Is Lava in that Spider-Man 2 game? The robots? Didn't make sense in Spider-Man 2, but made sense here! They fucking did it. I don't know how well Mysterio would've worked against Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield, but I really enjoyed how they did that dynamic here. Even a lot of the illusion stuff reminded me of Spider-Man 2's game. Like fighting off the mirror Spider-Men. Also... "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!"
Speaking of "The Bodyguard," did you know there was a 1994 Hong Kong remake starring Jet Li? And honestly speaking I enjoy the remake more than the original.
42:50 Wrong, Tim Gettys. She's at Salvation Army. It should've been F.E.A.S.T. which they're introducing in _No Way Home_ (and maybe that movie will retcon this movie's charity scene as F.E.A.S.T. affiliated by saying they partnered with Salvation Army) but as far as this movie states, it's a Salvation Army charity fundraiser. Not F.E.A.S.T.
Unless I’m misunderstanding Tim’s point, the suit tony returns to peter in homecoming is not the iron spider suit. So the infinity war suit was fresh out of the box. It even smelled like a new car after all.
This is such a nothing movie. It’s visually bland, all the action consists of fighting cgi blobs of sand and water or a bunch of drones. Mysterio is vulture again (a guy that Tony Stark wronged) but less interesting. Peter and MJ are not interesting in the least. Tom Holland and Zendaya are cute but they aren’t given any material to work with. Also Peter Parker is way too dumb. Like not only does he give a stranger the glasses, but it’s a stranger THAT’S GOING BACK TO ANOTHER DIMENSION. I could go all day but this is a TH-cam comment that nobody cares about.
The Best Way Mysterio Could’ve Been Done and the Bubble Boy coming Full Circle it’s almost a perfect Spider-Man Movie except for that baby goat scene was really Bad…
Watch this movie with someone who has seen No Way Home but has no idea who or what “Mysterio” is. Watching my fiancée LOSE IT in the theater during the reveal that Mysterio is a bad guy was A+++++
While I love Jake as Mysterio, all the Mysterio sequences, and the dope spider-sense scene, this one ain’t it for me. I remember leaving the theater disappointed and I was just as disappointed rewatching. Homecoming is way better for me. I think the tone is inconsistent and I hate when it feels like something out of the Disney Channel (the whole bit with Ned and Betty that falls flat). My issue is that it sometimes feels like a bad cartoon that has “supporting” characters with zero arcs and little to no depth. It completely takes me out of the movie. May isn’t a character, Happy has ONE sincere scene, Ned does absolutely nothing, MJ isn’t given that much material, etc,. Peter being tired and trying to run from his responsibility is classic Spidey, but the execution was poor af with Peter trusting Beck with Tony’s final gift after knowing him for like a day. I like parts of this movie for sure, but man I don’t think it’s a good Spidey flick. A lot of it feels very made-by-committee to me
I don't understand why people want these films to be in the MCU but never interact with the MCU. That's pointless to me. Having said that, this is probably the most mediocre Spider-Man movie I've ever seen. I hate the twist of Mysterio being the person who made BARF, there were so many ways to tie Mysterio into the universe and they chose the laziest way. And I also hate the post-credit scene. It's beyond stupid that people would believe a "hero" they had literally never heard against the guy who helped save half the known population of not just the world but the universe. Also, I disagree about Superior Spider-Man. Cool concept on paper, piss poor execution.
It’s bizarre. We had 5 movies where Spiderman was the only hero in the world. The whole point of Spidey in the MCU was Spidey in the MCU and interacting with characters. Makes no sense to only do that for team up movies. If it were phase 1 maybe but these Marvel movies now all either feature other characters or make mention of them
@@Rainmanking That's a good point. Almost every Phase 2+ movie or sequel movie features other MCU characters alongside the main character. It's inevitable that it would happen with MCU's Spider-Man. Plus it's literally part of the Sony/Marvel deal that an MCU character has to appear in the movie, right? First Iron Man, then Nick Fury, now Doctor Strange.
There were traditional signs of Peter's Spider Sense in earlier movies (Civil War and Homecoming) but they didn't beat us over the head with it. Dodging what Bucky threw from behind during the airport fight scene (his eyes widen and he says "Woah!"), also dodging attacks that he can't visually see during the Ferry fight in Homecoming, etc. Then there's the more obvious "hair raising" scene in Infinity War. But I also liked what they did with him learning to trust it more.
If my math is correct, isn't Falcon the new Captain America by this point? So when Lucky asks "how does cap do that", which Captain America is he talking about?
Carboni better be with the rest of the KF crew when you review No Way Home… looking forward to it!! Damn I’m gonna miss these Spider-Man in Review Tuesdays 😔
It’s so crazy that if Peter Parker had tested Nick fury he would’ve suspected that Nick fury was fake as well because based on these rules Nick fury wouldn’t know you know all that old stuff oh but he couldn’t test Nick fury because they’ve never met. Whoa this plot is almost airtight
I have to agree with most of the comments here, something feels a little bit disappointing about this movie but I'm not sure what it is. As a spiderman movie I don't really like it that much, it feels like an average Marvel movie. Everything that happens in this movie seems to build up more of the Marvel universe then Spiderman's, I don't know if that makes sense. It feels like when they do a crossover episode in a cartoon/tv show. One example is Mysterio, even though he's suppose to be a Spiderman villain, it feels like he's an Ironman villain that Spiderman needs to deal with.
At the end of this rewatch I wanna reach out to Tim Gettys and say, I'm sorry for my earlier comment from the original In Review. The raimi movies weren't as good as I remember and Maguires Peter is nowhere near as likeable as the other 2, TASM is a great movie minus the 3rd act and TASM 2 is not at all as bad as people think it is. Looking past my previous Raimi nostalgia I'll say now that Homecoming is the best Spider-Man film. I still think y'all ranking TASM2 at number one is off, theres just too much corporate meddling in that movie for me to put it anywhere near the top but it's a decent movie. Anyway that's just me getting all of that out of the way. Have a good day everyone 👍
I really don't like this movie for all the reasons Blessing stated, but it also just rolls back Homecoming's character development. I'm also tired of not seeing Holland's Peter BE Spider-Man and save/help people IN New York. The fact that we haven't really gotten that irritates the hell out of me.
In terms of Karen and the suit, I'd say it's more likely when Tony gave Peter the suit back at the end of Homecoming, he'd put the Training Wheels Protocol back in place which would remove Karen. Karen doesn't appear until they remove the Training Wheels Protocol.
Homecoming is just such a masterpiece in terms of MCU movies it’s hard to top. It sits at number 2 on my list below Civil War and above Infinity War. I wonder where No Way Home will sit in the lineup of MCU films.
I love these movies. The MCU consistently shows us that loooooose adaptions of things we love, in the right hands, can be something great AND different. These Spider Man movies are exactly that: a different context, a different take, but the spirit of Spider Man the entirety of the way.
I feel like the marvel version of Spiderman is their take on superior Spiderman. I feel like they're using stark tech to make Peter's life easier instead of the doc.
Love the commentary but Tim has the rose colored glasses on if he thinks Holland and Zendaya have anywhere near the chemistry as Garfield and Stone. That's like saying How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days is romance on the level of Casablanca. I love Zendaya as an actor but her direction in these films is awful. I want deadpan from the side characters but as the primary love interest it just does not inspire attraction or attachment to her character at all. It's just bad film making to have an apathetic love interest. If she wasn't "MJ", she would fit great.
I hope "Nick"(who's kinda at fault for Peter being involved with this phony hero pyramid scheme) get some part to play in no way home(atleast clear his name legally lol)
@@andyflushfilms6989 it's called a joke, calm down and don't get your panties in a twist. This is a subject Taylor herself has made fun of on SNL among other shows. I surely don't see why you would jump to such an extreme. I now hate all women because of a mediocre Taylor Swift joke. Come on man, chill out. I made a joke about a multimillionaire musical superstar, who really gets the last laugh?
@@jeremyvisser3877 ironic, using another sexist phrase to reply to me. Commenting on how many partners a woman has had is not funny, she is the only person who can make that jokes if she so chooses. Apart from anything else, its a lazy boring 7 year old comment, get some new material
This is easily the best movie from this batch (not including Spiderverse). They NAIL the teen romance part of this, maybe better and realistic in terms of the subtle ways the characters interact than any movie I have ever seen. Peter and MJ's relationship is perfect, and the little moments that are created between them are impeccable. There is also a top notch Spiderman story built into this, culminating in the ultimate Spiderman trope which is Peter being betrayed by someone who he wants to look up to. And the reveal at the end caps it off so perfectly and sets us up for the next movie in a way that is a million times better than any set up for the future than we have seen in any of these movies. Not to mention the way this is a perfect epilogue to the Infinity Saga and deals perfectly with the emotional fallout of End Game. I cannot comprehend why people are not as high on this movie when every element it tries to execute is done better than any Spiderman movie before it.
Loved Carboni throughout this entire series, an absolute pleasure of an add to the KF atmosphere during these shows!
I will NEVER not laugh when Anthony says "Who's talking?!"
I like Anthony a lot but that joke kinda irritates me lol, is there a reference I'm missing?
Dude I audibly laugh every single time!
I’ll always remember the original in review for this movie being one of my favourites, Greg on top form and that hilarious nick going to the bathroom story
"Nick Nick Nick Scarpino is Fucking crazy"
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I would love for them to do a theory podcast for the mcu future
Anthony has been such a great addition to the in-reviews. Love this guy :)
I was really looking forward to this pod Every week. Carboni was perfect and will be missed 🥲. sucks that blessing and Andy wasn’t around for the last re watch .
Re the red and black suits. The original Spider-Man costume was black and red, blue highlights were used to high-light black in old comics. It’s why Superman has ‘blue’ hair. So the blue on the suit isn’t the primary color it’s just the highlight at the time.
10:38 Blessing is the best. This is exactly what this franchise needs, in my opinion, let Spider-Man be Spider-Man. Do PETER-centered stories that immerse us in his world, with a close knit circle of friends, family, work, school, etc, where he needs to balance all of those obligations along with his obligations as Spidey. When he leans too far into being Spider-Man, he does save lives but hurts his relationships by missing the big moments in his personal life. He turns his back on being Spider-Man, and he lives the trauma of Uncle Ben's death all over again -- he could have done something, but he failed. We get close to that struggle (in some ways) in FFH, but we don't ever quite land it in a way that feels quintessentially Spider-Man. I think another trilogy that can develop his friendships and personal life more will rectify that. It's why Spider-Man 2 is still my favorite (just barely edging out Spider-Verse).
I don't need Peter, when he is in his own movies, to really move the needle of the MCU. It takes a character with an identity that typically sits outside the rest of the Marvel universe when there is not an intentional crossover, and tries to make him function in a way that I don't think plays to the strengths of the character. Still, I'm just so happy to have some good Spider-Man movies, and promising looking ones coming soon.
I love this movie. I think the comedy is top notch and it’s just so fun. Gyllenhal is top tier once the reveal happens, I remember thinking his performance was so generic for the first half but then it gets so good once we learn the truth. I also think the action sequence at the end is fantastic, pure Spider-Man fun on a scale we haven’t seen yet.
Say what you will about this movie but at least Tom has never done the stalker thing or laid hands on MJ. It also has one of the best MCU scenes in that mysterio scene.
To comment on talking about Fury and Hill being a little "off" and it being part of the reveal later and how good that is. Pretty sure I read that neither of then knew their characters weren't really themselves. So my guess is they would have been directed to act certain ways to get that effect without being told why or they actually were just phoning it in and it happened to work out lol.
It's the latter, because the Skrull twist was thought of after the movie had finished filming, when Jon Watts saw _Captain Marvel_ during post-production of _Far From Home_
1:31:00 Sorry, but no. Holland and Zendaya are cute and all, but let's be real, they can't hold a candle to Stone and Garfield
I honestly have no idea how Tim can like the “let me borderline fourth wall breakingly explain that I’m actually the villain”. I thought it was the absolute worst part of this movie, it made it hard for me to take the rest of the film seriously.
Last Monday, I watched Homecoming and y'all put out Matrix. This Monday, I watched Reloaded and y'all put out Spider-Man 😂
Could you guys please start doing the "homework" Tweets again for clarification?
Sorry Ben. What you did was what we said was happening, but both weeks last minute schedule changes messed us up and we had to just roll with it the best we could. Trust me, more than anyone I wish we could just stick to the calendar, but it has just been getting harder and harder, especially with Greg out. I appreciate the patience! -Tim
@@kindafunny Ah no worries man, I'm just grateful to have In Review at all!
Hope things get a bit easier for you guys once Greg's back and the holidays wind down 👍
I think they swapped the release dates to fit the theatrical release of Spiderman.
Blessing's ranking is the best ranking.
May being "the cool aunt" makes no sense. If the Snap hadn't happened, then I get it. But she should be terrified that Peter is going out and being Spider-Man since HE DIED.
He didn’t die, he was literally erased from existence, at random, it had nothing to do with what he was doing or who he was. if anything that would convince her more to be the cool aunt bc life is so short and can be over in an instant.
I like this one but the drone stuff really sticks out to me... especially the fact that Tony gives a 16 year old kid access to a massive arsenal of weaponry and what I assume is the worlds largest surveillance apparatus. Wasn't there an entire Captain America movie about how it is immoral to have the ability to assassinate anyone on the planet at the push of a button?
How did we skip the final end credit scene that is legit BS. Like, I think it's great that we're getting JJ, but there is no way anyone would believe that butchered, cut up video clip from the guy that just CLEARLY attacked London. Where is all the actual news and civilian footage of Spider-Man destroying and dismantling all the drones around the bridge? And at it's worst, all it would take is for Fury to send one of those Skrulls back as Peter to get saved by Spider-Man to address any concerns about his identity. This is the easiest situation to clean up, and I don't understand how they are going to spin it against him.
We live in a world where people don’t believe verifiable facts in favor of clearly debunkable conspiracy theories and feelings of entitlement. People would ABSOLUTELY believe Spiderman did that with very little proof just bc it’s easier and because he’s different from them.
@@Ha1frican touche. I would agree, but I mean, this isn't something that would be grainy video from a dark alley. There would be so much footage of Spider-Man destroying these drones that it would not make a bit of sense for him to be the one in control. Especially if everyone believes him to be some 16 year old kid. There's just some giant leap pills to swallow.
But then again...
@@Jaws1015 People believed 5G towers created Covid-19 based on Facebook posts with text over 240p images. Ignorance and misinformation are so easily spread now, hell people think footage from the ISS is cgi why wouldn’t they think videos of Spidey that don’t confirm what they want to believe wouldn’t just be CGI sponsored by the Stark foundation? For every obvious example of truth there’s be 10 dumb conspiracy theories making people question it just like is really happening
Blessings points are always 100% on point
Man I’m over here watching matrix 2 thinking that was the rewatch for Tuesday 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Do you think in no way home when Peter sees sandman he’s gonna suspect it’s just a mysterio illusion??
Oh, good call
Outside of SM2 I'd rather watch the MCU versions than the previous any day because of how much is objectively bad about what came before. I really don't get how someone can rank SM1 over either of these two, y'all are wild lol
And I don't get how someone can rank either of these over SM1. There is no such thing as true objectivity when it comes to art.
@@MaxwellSmartOddy Art as a whole and the thoughts/feelings it provokes are subjective but there is absolutely objectivity in art especially within things like film making that involves a myriad of technical processes (line delivery, writting, cgi, editing, etc.) to create the "art."
@@_JohnC_ I'm more sympathetic to that argument when it comes to things like line delivery and bad dialogue, but a lot of the things you might find campy or cringeworthy in the Raimi films, for example, evoke in me the exact feelings that he wants them to. And the opposite goes for the MCU films; almost none of the humor works for me, and I find the cinematography and CGI to be fairly uninspired in comparison, even if it might technically be better.
They were saying it's hard to stick the landing in a trilogy, but one thing we have to remember is that this isn't a bookend, some elements of this will surely leak into Dr. Strange 2, and then there is the announced next set of Spiderman movies, so it doesn't have to be a full blown closing of this chapter of Peter's life, it just has to have enough closure in specific areas, or at least leave things settled.
26:14 for this movies red carpets, Zendaya dyed her hair red to look like OG MJ and now I want that look so bad in these movies 😌👏🏾
This movie feels really strange to me. It's good and fun, but it forgets the message of the previous movie only to do like a weaker version of it. At times, it doesn't even feel like you're watching a Spider-Man movie (I always think of the scene on the bus with the EDITH drone as a prime example). I don't dislike it, and Mysterio is awesome, but it feels like it's even further from what I'm looking for than Homecoming was.
@Erik Kemeey I definitely see what it’s going for I just don’t care for it a lot of the time. Some really good stuff in there too though
@Erik Kemeey but that’s exactly the issue. It continues a message that we had already wrapped up. The first one ends with him feeling like it’s okay to be a “friendly neighborhood Spider-Man” and his own man and then this movie happens and we have the same journey but with less of a focus
@Erik Kemeey I definitely think that's a charitable read on this film, it is inextricably linked to whether or not he will be "the next Iron Man" and I think that sucks. I just wish they had focused on making these good Spider-Man movies instead of focusing on other aspects of the franchise (his relationship with Iron Man, and now his relationship with the previous versions of the franchise in NWH).
@Erik Kemeey I definitely am fine with that, I’ve been a huge comic reader most of my life, I feel like they’re able to still focus the storylines and not revolve around that shared universe. I don’t hate these movies or anything I just feel like they’re the most popcorny in the MCU and I wish they had been a little tighter. I’m always hoping they bring it around though, and I hope NWH isn’t a mess
I could not agree more with Tim that as a second MCU Spider-Man movie, this doesn't work too well. It feels like there should have been a movie before this where Peter could just be Spider-Man and also build stronger relationships with his classmates.
Honestly I think the relationship between Peter and his supporting cast (other than Ned) is the weakest piece of this franchise (that said, I do enjoy these MCU Spidey flicks). I like the supporting cast, but they feel more like vectors for MCU-style-humor, not characters we're invested in and who are close to Peter Parker.
These movies do the power/responsibility balance with Peter always needing to choose: "do I be with friends or save lives?" And as one might expect, he always chooses to save people, but this has happened consistently without really developing his connection to anyone other than Ned IMO. All that to say, I don't feel like you see that classic struggle that Peter has, where he often has to be Spider-Man, but inadvertently hurts his relationships as Peter Parker by doing. It feels more like the poor guy just misses out on his childhood and just always sits on the outside- which FFH does acknowledge at least.
I was having a bad day at work and this saved me. Thanks kinda funny, yall are great!
One last thing: I'm starting to appreciate Spider-Man 3 more over time. Slowly scooting up my list.
Now that I think about it, there must be an added section on licenses/ID’s that say whether the person blipped to accommodate for age.
2:03:30 correction, Carboni: Coulson doesn't spend three seasons not knowing the truth about TAHITI. He found out the truth in season one.
The fact it has so many ties to the MCU is why this is one of my fav superhero movies
I think Karen isn’t in this because if you remember he wasn’t supposed to have her. He hacked into the suit to get her, but after that Tony took the suit back and probably reset it before giving it to him again at the end of that movie. Then in the next one he got the Iron Spider which probably also had a version of the training wheels program on it so it wouldn’t have had her either. Then when Peter makes his suit in Far From Home he intentionally simplifies it in some ways so he probably didn’t include all the extra stuff that Tony did with the first Stark suit including Karen
What the heck bro I just finished the last spidey in review. 😂 A treat forsure 👏🏽
Showed thought: Tony failed to put a suit of armour around the world, so instead he put a suit of armour around HIS world with Spiderman, Pepper, Rhody etc
I only wish they did the "you gotta be Spider-man, don't be Iron Man" better... I wish he did the final fight with his old suit, or even the homemade suit. But Disney has to sell those damn toys tho.
It's what killed this movie and the rest of MCU Spidey for me. He'll never get any victories on his own merit, just his iron boy talents at making new suits to solve his problems aka sell toys with every movie. It's Dan Slott era Spider-Man vibes when he was making new suits for no reason. Cool but not Spider-Man.
@@jphugo15 he may use the stark tech but those are not the stuff he uses to win the fights, he uses tools ie the sign and club for weapons because he remembers the captain America fight with thanos and as a kid you’d obviously idolise that being a teen in a world of heroes. Also uses his own spider sense (not a fan of Peter tinkle) to fight hidden drones. I’d love him to use an OG homemade suit but kids will buy the toys and the fans love an upgrade suit. This is mid tier for me but much better than spiderman 3.
I like how Marvel gave Thanos' snap a proper name "The Decimation" yet beginning with this movie they just called it "The Blip" and everyone within the MCU refers to it as "The Blip" since then lol.
Decimation is the event of everyone disappearing. Blip is the event of everyone blipping back into existence.
Can I just say, not to take anything away from Martin Starr... but every time I see his character on screen, he makes me think of Rob Bourdon, who is the drummer for Linkin Park. Not his look in the early days, but the long hair, the beard, the glasses.... it's all right there.
Pretty sure Hannibal Buress got in trouble for sending a "look-a-like" to the Homecoming premiere
This cements that Blessing not only has the best taste in film of anyone at Kinda Funny, but he's also the best at articulating his opinions succinctly. I'd love for him to be part of more In Reviews going forward.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
36:51 objection. Private Jets are bad for the environment.
You know what's not, literally taking flight yourself as Rage against the machine comes on.
I rest my case.
This movie has my favorite visuals over any other Spidey movie that Mysterio illusion sequence is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
another thing that I just despise about this movie is how they made all of the character development from homecoming mean nothing where he rejected iron suit and being new iron man but embraced being spiderman, and here they all just made him to be new iron man which just goes againt everything that spiderman stands for
That’s not the fault of the movie though, more the timeline in the mcu. Homecoming was before IF and EG. It made sense him keeping the iron spider suit because it reminded him of Tony. The Europe fights he’s using the noir suit and then makes his own in the final fight. I don’t dislike the fact that they use stark tropes but it does make sense in the timeline of the MCU and the way peter would be feeling after Tony’s death.
If you get rid of like 95% of the moments playing for comedy, this movie is top-tier Spider-Man.
@Erik Kemeey no I like it. I dislike it’s forced comedy though.
33:25 actually Nick, Samuel L. Jackson & Cobie Smulders played Nick Fury & Maria Hill as themselves because the Skrull thing was a post-production addition. Jon Watts saw _Captain Marvel_ during post-production & decided to make Fury & Hill Skrulls as a post-credit, using a deleted scene of Fury & Hill in a car + bringing in the Skrull actors. So the actors were kinda phoning it in, it just worked out in their favor.
I got HUGE Spider-Man 2 (Activision game) vibes from this Mysterio. Did you guys notice that the opera theatre where the high school kids are looks EXACTLY THE SAME as the theatre where you play The Floor Is Lava in that Spider-Man 2 game? The robots? Didn't make sense in Spider-Man 2, but made sense here! They fucking did it. I don't know how well Mysterio would've worked against Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield, but I really enjoyed how they did that dynamic here.
Even a lot of the illusion stuff reminded me of Spider-Man 2's game. Like fighting off the mirror Spider-Men.
Also... "You'll shoot your eye out, kid!"
Speaking of "The Bodyguard," did you know there was a 1994 Hong Kong remake starring Jet Li? And honestly speaking I enjoy the remake more than the original.
42:50 Wrong, Tim Gettys. She's at Salvation Army. It should've been F.E.A.S.T. which they're introducing in _No Way Home_ (and maybe that movie will retcon this movie's charity scene as F.E.A.S.T. affiliated by saying they partnered with Salvation Army) but as far as this movie states, it's a Salvation Army charity fundraiser. Not F.E.A.S.T.
I love how Samuel Jackson played Nick Fury as a someone trying to be Samuel Jackson who is playing Nick Fury if that makes sense lol
I'm gonna miss Carboni's "Who the fuck is talking?" Line...he needs to come back for future Spiderman in reviews
Unless I’m misunderstanding Tim’s point, the suit tony returns to peter in homecoming is not the iron spider suit. So the infinity war suit was fresh out of the box. It even smelled like a new car after all.
21:13 a Spider-Man Disney plus series is perfect
This is such a nothing movie. It’s visually bland, all the action consists of fighting cgi blobs of sand and water or a bunch of drones. Mysterio is vulture again (a guy that Tony Stark wronged) but less interesting. Peter and MJ are not interesting in the least. Tom Holland and Zendaya are cute but they aren’t given any material to work with. Also Peter Parker is way too dumb. Like not only does he give a stranger the glasses, but it’s a stranger THAT’S GOING BACK TO ANOTHER DIMENSION. I could go all day but this is a TH-cam comment that nobody cares about.
Peter also shoots his web at water for some reason
The Best Way Mysterio Could’ve Been Done and the Bubble Boy coming Full Circle it’s almost a perfect Spider-Man Movie except for that baby goat scene was really Bad…
Elements were good, I enjoyed the Msyterio spin, but otherwise no way on a par at all with Homecoming....
Watch this movie with someone who has seen No Way Home but has no idea who or what “Mysterio” is. Watching my fiancée LOSE IT in the theater during the reveal that Mysterio is a bad guy was A+++++
I just got to Tim saying the same thing about Gia lol. Legit it’s one of my favorite movie moments also.
While I love Jake as Mysterio, all the Mysterio sequences, and the dope spider-sense scene, this one ain’t it for me. I remember leaving the theater disappointed and I was just as disappointed rewatching. Homecoming is way better for me.
I think the tone is inconsistent and I hate when it feels like something out of the Disney Channel (the whole bit with Ned and Betty that falls flat). My issue is that it sometimes feels like a bad cartoon that has “supporting” characters with zero arcs and little to no depth. It completely takes me out of the movie. May isn’t a character, Happy has ONE sincere scene, Ned does absolutely nothing, MJ isn’t given that much material, etc,.
Peter being tired and trying to run from his responsibility is classic Spidey, but the execution was poor af with Peter trusting Beck with Tony’s final gift after knowing him for like a day.
I like parts of this movie for sure, but man I don’t think it’s a good Spidey flick. A lot of it feels very made-by-committee to me
I don't understand why people want these films to be in the MCU but never interact with the MCU. That's pointless to me.
Having said that, this is probably the most mediocre Spider-Man movie I've ever seen. I hate the twist of Mysterio being the person who made BARF, there were so many ways to tie Mysterio into the universe and they chose the laziest way. And I also hate the post-credit scene. It's beyond stupid that people would believe a "hero" they had literally never heard against the guy who helped save half the known population of not just the world but the universe.
Also, I disagree about Superior Spider-Man. Cool concept on paper, piss poor execution.
It’s bizarre. We had 5 movies where Spiderman was the only hero in the world. The whole point of Spidey in the MCU was Spidey in the MCU and interacting with characters. Makes no sense to only do that for team up movies. If it were phase 1 maybe but these Marvel movies now all either feature other characters or make mention of them
@@Rainmanking That's a good point. Almost every Phase 2+ movie or sequel movie features other MCU characters alongside the main character. It's inevitable that it would happen with MCU's Spider-Man. Plus it's literally part of the Sony/Marvel deal that an MCU character has to appear in the movie, right? First Iron Man, then Nick Fury, now Doctor Strange.
Can we get Carboni for the last Spider-Man Movie. Please he’s a breath of fresh air
Apparently Taylor Swift is the ONLY person who didn't like Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio
the thing I never liked was that peter finally designs his own suit, yet all he pretty much did was change the blue to black.
There were traditional signs of Peter's Spider Sense in earlier movies (Civil War and Homecoming) but they didn't beat us over the head with it. Dodging what Bucky threw from behind during the airport fight scene (his eyes widen and he says "Woah!"), also dodging attacks that he can't visually see during the Ferry fight in Homecoming, etc. Then there's the more obvious "hair raising" scene in Infinity War.
But I also liked what they did with him learning to trust it more.
If my math is correct, isn't Falcon the new Captain America by this point? So when Lucky asks "how does cap do that", which Captain America is he talking about?
I think this is on par with Homecoming with higher highs and lower lows.
Why did Blessing leave?
Carboni better be with the rest of the KF crew when you review No Way Home… looking forward to it!! Damn I’m gonna miss these Spider-Man in Review Tuesdays 😔
It’s so crazy that if Peter Parker had tested Nick fury he would’ve suspected that Nick fury was fake as well because based on these rules Nick fury wouldn’t know you know all that old stuff oh but he couldn’t test Nick fury because they’ve never met. Whoa this plot is almost airtight
😂😂😂 I ACTUALLY used to watch The Matrix Reloaded, like the comment, EVERY DAY 😂😂😂
I have to agree with most of the comments here, something feels a little bit disappointing about this movie but I'm not sure what it is. As a spiderman movie I don't really like it that much, it feels like an average Marvel movie. Everything that happens in this movie seems to build up more of the Marvel universe then Spiderman's, I don't know if that makes sense. It feels like when they do a crossover episode in a cartoon/tv show. One example is Mysterio, even though he's suppose to be a Spiderman villain, it feels like he's an Ironman villain that Spiderman needs to deal with.
1.Spider - Man Homecoming
2.Spider - Man 2
3.Spider- Man Far from Home
4.Spider-Man
5.Spider-Man 3
6.The amazing Spider-Man
7.The amazing Spider-Man 2
Wondering if "Sandman" from Far from Home is really Mysterio?
Think this Flash Thompson becomes Agent Venom?
At the end of this rewatch I wanna reach out to Tim Gettys and say, I'm sorry for my earlier comment from the original In Review. The raimi movies weren't as good as I remember and Maguires Peter is nowhere near as likeable as the other 2, TASM is a great movie minus the 3rd act and TASM 2 is not at all as bad as people think it is. Looking past my previous Raimi nostalgia I'll say now that Homecoming is the best Spider-Man film. I still think y'all ranking TASM2 at number one is off, theres just too much corporate meddling in that movie for me to put it anywhere near the top but it's a decent movie. Anyway that's just me getting all of that out of the way. Have a good day everyone 👍
Loved these. Please get Carboni on the No Way Home review. ❤️
Will miss you carboni
I really don't like this movie for all the reasons Blessing stated, but it also just rolls back Homecoming's character development. I'm also tired of not seeing Holland's Peter BE Spider-Man and save/help people IN New York. The fact that we haven't really gotten that irritates the hell out of me.
Italian here. “Boh” literally means “I don’t know”. I really don’t get the joke in the movie lol nobody uses that word that way
I hope carboni and bless pop into MCU in review for No Way home and give their thoughts!
Far From Home is on par with Homecoming as a film, in quality. I'm somewhere between Tim and Nick in their opening remarks for this film.
In terms of Karen and the suit, I'd say it's more likely when Tony gave Peter the suit back at the end of Homecoming, he'd put the Training Wheels Protocol back in place which would remove Karen. Karen doesn't appear until they remove the Training Wheels Protocol.
I dig your list, Bless! Same for me, aside from placing Spider-Man 2 at the top and Homecoming right below it.
Real spider-boys: Nick, Anthony and Tim
Part-time spider-boys: Andy and blessing
King of Halloween: Greg Miller
The Milk Mommy: Kevin Coello
CARBONI IN MATRIX REVIEW LOL
Please tell me that Anthony will be back for No Way Home!
TOBEY WOULD OF LOOKED
Homecoming is just such a masterpiece in terms of MCU movies it’s hard to top. It sits at number 2 on my list below Civil War and above Infinity War. I wonder where No Way Home will sit in the lineup of MCU films.
Bring Anthony Carboni back pls 🥺
Yessss
The Spider Boyz better reunite for No Way Home !
I love these movies. The MCU consistently shows us that loooooose adaptions of things we love, in the right hands, can be something great AND different. These Spider Man movies are exactly that: a different context, a different take, but the spirit of Spider Man the entirety of the way.
I feel like the marvel version of Spiderman is their take on superior Spiderman. I feel like they're using stark tech to make Peter's life easier instead of the doc.
Love the commentary but Tim has the rose colored glasses on if he thinks Holland and Zendaya have anywhere near the chemistry as Garfield and Stone. That's like saying How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days is romance on the level of Casablanca. I love Zendaya as an actor but her direction in these films is awful. I want deadpan from the side characters but as the primary love interest it just does not inspire attraction or attachment to her character at all. It's just bad film making to have an apathetic love interest. If she wasn't "MJ", she would fit great.
Now that the intro of mcu and Sony Spider-Man are together now does that mean Ragu Bagu of mcu and Sony Spider-Man blend together now too
I hope "Nick"(who's kinda at fault for Peter being involved with this phony hero pyramid scheme) get some part to play in no way home(atleast clear his name legally lol)
Two things from watching the bloopers... 1. I had no idea Holland was English and 2. Gyllenhaal seems like the nicest guy ever.
Taylor swift would disagree
And? Taylor would disagree about her other 2847474949 former beau's, She just needed content for an album
@@jeremyvisser3877 wow, incredibly toxic and misogynistic comment, I expect better from the Kinda funny community
@@andyflushfilms6989 it's called a joke, calm down and don't get your panties in a twist. This is a subject Taylor herself has made fun of on SNL among other shows. I surely don't see why you would jump to such an extreme. I now hate all women because of a mediocre Taylor Swift joke. Come on man, chill out. I made a joke about a multimillionaire musical superstar, who really gets the last laugh?
@@jeremyvisser3877 ironic, using another sexist phrase to reply to me. Commenting on how many partners a woman has had is not funny, she is the only person who can make that jokes if she so chooses. Apart from anything else, its a lazy boring 7 year old comment, get some new material
This is easily the best movie from this batch (not including Spiderverse). They NAIL the teen romance part of this, maybe better and realistic in terms of the subtle ways the characters interact than any movie I have ever seen. Peter and MJ's relationship is perfect, and the little moments that are created between them are impeccable. There is also a top notch Spiderman story built into this, culminating in the ultimate Spiderman trope which is Peter being betrayed by someone who he wants to look up to. And the reveal at the end caps it off so perfectly and sets us up for the next movie in a way that is a million times better than any set up for the future than we have seen in any of these movies. Not to mention the way this is a perfect epilogue to the Infinity Saga and deals perfectly with the emotional fallout of End Game. I cannot comprehend why people are not as high on this movie when every element it tries to execute is done better than any Spiderman movie before it.
I'm with Blessing when it comes to this movie. It's good, but I find so much of it to be really bothersome as a Spider-Man fan.
Spider-Boys!
Blessing hits the nail on the head with why a lot of this movie doesn’t work as a spider man movie
Spiderman turn off the dark or this isn't a complete series review 😂