messi cant win without di maria. Di Maria should be MOTM yesterday: gets the penalty and scores a goal. Same at the copa: in the final di maria scores the only goal. In 2014: di maria is injured for the final and messi has a horrible final. In 2010, messi doesnt even score one goal at mbappe's age
@@dnap1991 so where was Di Maria in SF and QF of World Cup 2022? Also, Messi 2022 WC Stats: 2nd Top Scorer: 7 Goals (against France, Netherlands, Croatia etc) Top Assister: 3 Assists (1 against Netherlands in QF, 1 against Croatia in SF and 1 against Mexico in Group) Most G+A: 10 (7 G + 3 A) Best Average Match Rating: 8.49 Most Big Chances Created: 7 2nd Most Chances Created: 21 Achievements: Best Player of the Tournament Most G+A Most MOTM awards Top Assister World Cup - Messi is the Only Player in World Cup History to win POTT twice (2014 & 2022) - Messi is also the Oldest Player to win the Golden Ball at age 35 years, 178 days - Only player in World Cup History to score in every KO stage of the WC (RO16, QF, SF and Final) - Only player in World Cup History to be MOTM in every KO stage of the WC (RO16, QF, SF and Final) - Messi also broke the record for winning the Most MOTM awards in a single World Cup campaign (5 MOTM Awards) - World Cup 2022 is Messi’s Highest G+A ever in an International Tournament with 10 G+A (7G & 3A), surpassing 9 G+A of Copa 2021 (4G & 5A) and 9 G+A of Copa 2016 (5G & 4A) - Messi scored a clutch goal against Mexico in group stage, scored in RO16 against a resilient Australia, got 2 G+A against Netherlands in Quaterfinal, got 2 G+A against Croatia in Semifinal and 2 goals against World Champions France in the Final
Spot on , Messi carried them out of group stage for starters , they lost against Saudi and a draw against Mexico would have knocked then out and they were struggling for 60 mins and then Messi comes up with an individual magic , same against Australia , same against the Dutch with the pass of the tournament ...... Haters now have run out of the argument of Ronaldo is better than him coz saying that now will make them look like fools , so they make all these new excuses of without Di Maria he can't win , without Martinez he can't win etc etc ..... Get a life kiddos .... All European clubs be scared now with playing against PSG coz Messi will play without any pressure .....He will be the most dangerous opponent in the UCL now for any team ......
Give Di Maria some love. He's played his entire international career in the giant shadow of The 🐐. He excelled in this final, and one can only imagine, had he been healthy in 2014, this would have been Argentina's fourth World Cup. 🇦🇷⭐️⭐️⭐️🇦🇷
I feel even Messi feels he never needed a WC title to solidify his GOAT status. That's why he didn't really crumble into an emotional wreck at the decisive penalty. I think he felt he simply needed the WC for the Argentinian people. If Argentina had lost yesterday, it wouldn't change my conviction one bit that he's the GOAT.
They are 100% right about that extra degree of aggression helping Messi. You saw it in multiple games at the WC, most visibly against Holland. This is very U.S. of me, but it reminds me of Michael Jordan, who used to make up slights and insults to motivate himself against opponents. When Dibu was asked why he made the "vulgar gesture" with the Golden Hand, he said: "because the French fans were booing me." This is what you have to do to get that elite edge-- literally create a fantasy that your enemy has disrespected you... brilliant.
Same here! But his struggle with my beloved Argentina (although I'm from Croatia & I love my homeland squad equally) was very complicated! For example,if Di Maria wasn't injured in WC 2014 Brazil,(his ankle was gone in QF vs Belgium)I'm certain that we would've win that German squad with the help of Angel! And when my other GOAT Maradona died,seems to me like part of his leadership spirit went straight into Leo!🙌😢🙏🇦🇷10 + 🐐🇦🇷🐐10 = GOAT
@@josiplilic3384 Argentina were very, very close indeed in 2014. This time, luck and skill were on their side. It wasn't the penalties that won the game-- it was their first 75 minutes of dominance. Well earned.
Clearly he was the GOAT before this. But to win the Copa America In Brazil, Then beat Italy the Euro champs in England, then Beat France In Qatar for the World Cup... simply amazing. If there is any doubters out there you need to have ur brains checked.
Remove emotions from the GOAT debate. The world cup is the greatest competition and the biggest in soccer. To be the greatest you have to win the biggest challenge. The bar has been set for the GOAT and that is three world cups(wins). There's a desperation to re-engineer the foundation and the structure of the GOAT debate so that it is biased towards Mess, it seems like rigging the debate in favour of Messii!! Can someone tell me why Messi hasn't won three world cups when he's infact been to several? It is because it is very difficult to win one! Three world cups is a very high bar for Messi! And it is not like Messi hasn't been to a world cup, he's been to a couple! Messi wins one and he's the GOAT!! No, there's someone who has three world cups. Winning one and being declared the GOAT is really lowering the bar so that Messi can get over the line, this makes Messi look weak! Messi is great but not the greatest. Being the greatest is not easy, Messi and Ronaldo would tell you that. There is so much bias, bigotry, prejudice etc in the GOATSHIP debate, so the best way to overcome all that bad stuff is to look at the numbers, numbers don't lie! Look at Messi's, Ronaldo's, Pele's and Maradona's numbers then decide. Numbers are the fairest way to compare!
@@jige6356 Numbers like WC cups or what? Where are Pele and Maradona's Copa America titles? Messi has the numbers, in terms of numbers they cant even measure up to Gerd Müller. Another player and WC winner who had an long run and scored many goals in the "standing football" of his time.
That 2009 final still hurts,as a United fan man because we could have won that.2011 was a footballing lesson from Barca though.Messi out jumping Rio has been imprinted in my brain from the 09 final.
Probably the best world cup final in my opinion in the past 2 decades! Even tho France and Mbappe were beaten in penalties, you gotta give some major credits to Mbappe for being clinical and helping France's hope stay alive in regular and extra time. Argentina almost bottled it by subbing out Di Maria too early and replacing him with Acuna who couldn't do anything on the left except make back passes... Amazing game by Messi and you really can't argue his status in the world of football especially after this game.
To people who were able to appreciate Messi for what he was, he didn't need the world cup. BUT for all those who smirked and laughed at his Argentina Career now they have absolutely nothing to say
I think the shift in attitude towards messi happened even before the 2019 copa america. I think it happened in the qualifiers for the 2018 world cup when argentina were at risk of not even making the world cup, and messi came back to save their qualification campaign including that hat-trick against equador in the final matchday to seal their spot in Russia.
Gab has a point. Man for man even with injuries France players are at huge clubs Barca, PSG, United, Madrid. While Argentina has Messi and a few players are big clubs they don't have nearly the pedigree man for man. Other than Messi who in the Argentina team gets in the France starting squad? Yet Argentina played better as a unit for most of the game (or at least the first 75 minutes)... That goes to the coaching for me that Scaloni is better than Deschamps
I find it really hard to criticise the French team, honestly. Yes they didn't show up at first, but that happens in life. They did react after the changes and played incredibly well and bravely. Both countries played their part in the greatest game I've ever seen and that does matter a lot. Football is meant to be joyous escapism, and this game provided that to the fullest.
all credit to deschamps he made the critical changes before halftime, a statement taking off your best striker in the tournament, and shaking it up he did the same change vs morocco to ice the game, to do it in this game wow
From the fluidity in the first half and the positioning throughout the match, it does look like Albiceleste had been better coached for this match than the French team. The fact is that the French team didn't look like they had a plan and especially after Giroud, Dembele and subsequently Griezmann were subbed out, the French team became one of raw athleticism. Gab has a point that it wasn't as well balanced a team as Scaloni had put together for this match.
@@thebridge5483 Hmmm....respectfully, I disagree. I maintain that the French team that finished was all largely about legs and not much in the way of tactics or strategy (except that Mbappe was able to harness it all together). That first half Argentinian display for me stands out as one of the best of any team in a finals of the WC in history.
Poor Juls... gracious and honest in defeat top job to come right out of that game and speak the way he did about Messi even though you could see I'm his eyes he was close to tears.
Mbappe is nowhere near the player of Lio. For one reason. Sheer pace. Kylian has that pace and relies on that pace. That kind of pace always fades by age 28. The presumption that Kylian will 'get better' is possibly false. As a pace player, these peek at age 23-24.
Mbappe scored 8 goals in this WC, 1 header vs Australia, 1 Tap in with right foot and 1 tap in with his tight vs Denmark, 2 powerful shot Top corner against Poland, 2 penalty and 1 amazing volley against Argentina. None of them were scored because of his pace, he scored because of his skills, Mbappe is an elite finisher, dribbler and passer, Mbappe isn’t Adama Traore my friend even at 35 years old he could have scored these goals.
@@masudbillah6196 you’re not listening and just regurgitating what you have been hearing, he by no means “relies” on his pace although it is his most clear advantage. Literally about none of his 8 World Cup goals came from just “outrunning” everyone
He’s definitely been rounding out his game He is not at the top for nothing, he definitely intends on being able to compete with the best for a long time, and I could see him take a similar development through his career to that of CR7 or Thierry Henry
I remember before the worldcup , in gab and jules show they said this worldcup will be special as it is in the middle of the season and this is when Messi and Cristiano always hit the peak.
The baton will be passed from Messi to Mbappe at the end of the season after PSG lift the CL and he has picked up his 8th Ballon D'or. Then it will be time for the long retirement world tour :) Football: completed. ❤️
Strange as it may be, I think a huge weight lifted off Messi's shoulders when Maradona died in 2020 and he was no longer under his towering glare. I think it's one of those odd situations where someone can truly shine when someone else is removed from the picture, though they have nothing personal against each other.
@@PoorStretch Argentines used Maradona as a stick to beat Messi with. When Modric took Croatia to the finals in 2018, he won the Ballon d'or. When Messi couldn't win the WC in 2014, there were demos, his posters and pictures were burned. Therewas a lynch mob atmosphere in Argentina bc they had this misconception that Maradona won the WC all by himself. Messi was abominably treated. It must have left a mark. All that is over now.
Maradona was a legend of football but a 💩 person, he make all the coaches nervous and the things he was saying influenced them in their decisions, sadly enough if he was still alive he probably would have requested the higher ups to remove scaloni before the world cup because he hated him and didn't seen him as capable of winning anything even if he saw him winning copa america and the finalissima he would have still move some strings to kick him out and made the team lose.
I think his point was you cant really hold it against mbappe if he didnt do much for the first 70 minutes because his entire team were ghosting. At least he made up for it and single handedly brought france back into the game while scoring a hattrick and breaking records. A better comparison would be 27 year old prime messi in 2014 when he played an even worse game over 120 minutes in the final against Germany.
So much pain on marcotti's face, when Julien says Messi is GOAT. Marcotti will never say that Messi is GOAT. Fact is Messi was GOAT before this world cup and this trophy is a cherry on top
It was never debatable for me! Messi & Maradona = ⚽🐐🇦🇷10 + ⚽🐐🇦🇷10 When Diego died,part of his leadership spirit has gone into heart of Leo! R.I.P. Santa Maradona - D10S 😢🙏💯🙌💯
@@messiisapig2478 France got 4 penalties last World Cup and scored all of ‘em Argentina got 5 and missed 1 But it didn’t matter cus Messi wasn’t on the team💀
Jules is shedding crocodile tears .... Argentina are an average team with the 🐐 carrying them .... Just accept the fact that France were lucky against England and Morocco and today they were gifted. 2 penalties ......
Messi isn't best because he won world cup, messi won world cup because he's best. Wc is just another aspect. For me he was best already, this worldcup is for those who kept talking bullshit like rainy night at stoke, national trophy, big game performance etc.
Mbappe was bad before the 70' because all the team was Bad. Mbappe need a good middlefield to have a good game. The french Team was not good in the world cup, the were very weak. Mbappe scored 8 goals 2 assist and was involed in the 2 goals against Morroco. No Mbappe No Final
Gab and Jules share my sentiments. For me has been the best since 2012 when he broke that record for most goals in 1 year. But the media pushed that Cristiano,,rivalry " so much that people actually doubted him. HIM , THE GUY. The guy that outscored and outshined TEAMS in 1 year. Absolutely insane people thought he had to win a WC to be considered the best.
8:20 Can Mbappe really play CF though? He's 5'10, doesn't have much of an aerial game, and at least so far in his career, he hasn't really shown much defending/pressing skills.
Deschamps tactics can be quite negative. They beat England with a smash and grab win. A better team both in terms of manager and game management from players would have knocked out France but Kane bottled his penalty. WC is about moments. Mbappe didnt bottle his pens. Kane did. Yet nobody says Kane should play for Madrid or Bayern like Gab says about Mbappe needing a different coach like Klopp.
France coach was nowhere near to the tactical mind of Scolani. He failed for up to 75 minutes in the game, and he just tried to do the same as Netherland did by introducing the tall players. It was nothing tactical about that. Moreover, I think Mbappe was so lucky in this game as most of his strikes got the hands of Keeper, but he managed to score.
the speed decreases from the age of 35 or at the end of a player's career. That is enough for Mbappe to be the fastest player until he is 35, as Robben was.
@@medmoussa7494 men physical decline starts right before 30, he wont have the same speed thats for sure. After 30 testosterone starts decreasing considerably every single year. So no, he wont be the fastest till 35.
@@fooball24H hhhh you said that's for sure as if you knew the future lol Haile Gebrselassie ran marathons until the age of 37, holding multiple world records. the speed does not decrease from the age of 30 but from the age of 40 if the athlete is regular.
@@fooball24H Mbappe could still run at this speed until his 40 years if he takes care of his body... Haile Gebrselassie ran marathons until the age of 37, holding multiple world records...In 2010, the European Review of Aging and Physical Activity published the results of a large survey of 194,560 participants in a 15 km road race who were followed for 12 years, from 1995 to 2007. precise analysis of the race time was carried out taking into account age, gender but also training. This study showed that the decline in performance, for trained runners, decreases quite rapidly from the age of 40, and this more markedly than in “recreational” runners. This study also shows that the decline is faster after age 65 in both groups.
Ronaldo has won everything in England, Italy, and Spain 🤫🤫🤫🤫😉😉😉 Messi always been spoon fead since he was a little boy, mama forgot to breast feed him so Blatter and Barça had to jump in as a sub and do everything for their precious little git. “Penaldo” fan? Yeah Messi scored 4 penaltis out of 7 total goals in the World Cup 🤫🤫🤫🤫
@@diogorodrigues10 it is hard to argue against messi, his accolades and now w.c makes him GOAT, ronaldo has only scored 1 goal this w.c a penalty and tried to steal another one going as far to ask that his coach and FA as for a review. yes messi has only played in 2 leagues compare to ronaldo 4 but it can be argued that he played the best the leagues had to offer in th CL and won 4 in fine style along with the pep era being among the most dominant periods in club football history and MSN being a close behind.
I hope Miami's can get him for the summer but coming of this WC I think they would have to guarantee him $200 million plus ownership stakes. I don't think he I'd as money hungry but that would be fair market value and for the league it would be a very good deal. This would be 10X the Beckham effect. For those who don't watch the league Beckham and the rule changes that allowed him to come saved the league and lead to the massive growth we have seen. Messi could have even a greater impact because he will bring so many eyes to the league both international and domestic.
5.5 for someone who scored a hat trick!? Lol shut up Gab & Juls who judges a impact player on every min? That'll b like criticizing Messi frm 75 min til 2nd extra time. Respect greatness
Yes, I agree that Argentina "struggle" at the end. BUT, France was never ahead in the score, and Argentina still had chances to win even while being attacked. Also: Argentina was the one to score the "winner" goal, with Messi, putting the 3-2. Last Mbappe´s goal was to get even, not a winner goal. For me, that means Argentina still had the winning will on their side, it didn´t matter if they kept getting even, Argentina would put another goal ahead.
Argentina loses . Red helped while way through but no one says a thing . They never tailed again after Saudi game because of being given penalty . Argentina never faced adversity at all because refs made sure
Di Maria played 1/2 the game and was better. Messi wore golden boots for WC tourney, gets 6 pks and still doesn't get the golden boots. Mbappee, " Move aside puppet"
They literally didn’t take the lead by penalty in group stage after Saudi game up till semi finals Against Mexico Messi scored a long range shot Against Poland Alvarez scored an open ply goal R16 against Australia they also didn’t take the lead with a penalty Messi scored an open play goal Against Netherlands Messi gave a brilliant assist to Molina 😂 It’s okay to hate But at least get it right 😂 They didn’t take the lead by penalty up till semi finals …evergame after Saudi till semi final they scored an open play goal to take the lead 💀 But haters must hate
So leading his team to a world cup 🏆 doesn't impact his greatness? I think it's crazy to say it doesn't. If it did, then I think it takes him from just being in the conversation, to being 'the GOAT'. Or... Contention with only PELE some would argue
While Maradonna and Pele were great and they got kicked about a lot, the standard of football back then was a far lower level than that of football today! The tactics, the way a team defends, the way a team keeps possession until they have a perfect opening rather than just crossing the ball in the hope it will find someone is far superior with the best teams and players today.
@@MarkWalmsley I can understand & respect this argument. Its funny you mentioned being kicked about. I just wonder if those other factor balances out everything. Because with the sport advancing it makes it harder for players in some ways but also much easier in other ways. Nutrition, better support cast (coaches, players), videos to study opponents... The list goes on and on
@@ojlyttle5887 yes I think there is a certain amount of leveling off in terms of players today having better everything, but in terms of the level of football being played, today's is so much more strategic that in my opinion players like Maradonna and Pele would be lost and look rather basic.
Not if they have the same access to what these players have today i would argue. I guess this is why it's a never ending debate because it's hard to compare two different players from different generations.
10:40 jules trying his best to make it look as if Argentina and France had equivalent level of talent pool to chose from. Even with all the injuries at best 3 players might get a place in the french squad.
It amazes me how many soccer fans fail to see the following: Ronaldo Brazil = great goal scorer Ronaldo Portugal = great goal scorer Mbappe = great goal scorer Xavi = great passer Modric = great midfielder De Bruyne = great midfielder and on and on and on and on but only one is the great at all three....the GOAT. The "flick" to setup the second goal...says it all.
Without Messi Argentina would have never come this far, not only in this WC but the previous WC in Brazil. He is the GOAT.
messi cant win without di maria. Di Maria should be MOTM yesterday: gets the penalty and scores a goal. Same at the copa: in the final di maria scores the only goal. In 2014: di maria is injured for the final and messi has a horrible final. In 2010, messi doesnt even score one goal at mbappe's age
@@dnap1991 so where was Di Maria in SF and QF of World Cup 2022?
Also, Messi 2022 WC Stats:
2nd Top Scorer: 7 Goals (against France, Netherlands, Croatia etc)
Top Assister: 3 Assists (1 against Netherlands in QF, 1 against Croatia in SF and 1 against Mexico in Group)
Most G+A: 10 (7 G + 3 A)
Best Average Match Rating: 8.49
Most Big Chances Created: 7
2nd Most Chances Created: 21
Achievements:
Best Player of the Tournament
Most G+A
Most MOTM awards
Top Assister
World Cup
- Messi is the Only Player in World Cup History to win POTT twice (2014 & 2022)
- Messi is also the Oldest Player to win the Golden Ball at age 35 years, 178 days
- Only player in World Cup History to score in every KO stage of the WC (RO16, QF, SF and Final)
- Only player in World Cup History to be MOTM in every KO stage of the WC (RO16, QF, SF and Final)
- Messi also broke the record for winning the Most MOTM awards in a single World Cup campaign (5 MOTM Awards)
- World Cup 2022 is Messi’s Highest G+A ever in an International Tournament with 10 G+A (7G & 3A), surpassing 9 G+A of Copa 2021 (4G & 5A) and 9 G+A of Copa 2016 (5G & 4A)
- Messi scored a clutch goal against Mexico in group stage, scored in RO16 against a resilient Australia, got 2 G+A against Netherlands in Quaterfinal, got 2 G+A against Croatia in Semifinal and 2 goals against World Champions France in the Final
@@vb2388 he's just going to ignore all of what you said
Spot on , Messi carried them out of group stage for starters , they lost against Saudi and a draw against Mexico would have knocked then out and they were struggling for 60 mins and then Messi comes up with an individual magic , same against Australia , same against the Dutch with the pass of the tournament ...... Haters now have run out of the argument of Ronaldo is better than him coz saying that now will make them look like fools , so they make all these new excuses of without Di Maria he can't win , without Martinez he can't win etc etc ..... Get a life kiddos .... All European clubs be scared now with playing against PSG coz Messi will play without any pressure .....He will be the most dangerous opponent in the UCL now for any team ......
Di maria did most of the work but messi was lucky enough to get several penalties
Give Di Maria some love. He's played his entire international career in the giant shadow of The 🐐. He excelled in this final, and one can only imagine, had he been healthy in 2014, this would have been Argentina's fourth World Cup.
🇦🇷⭐️⭐️⭐️🇦🇷
Big facts 💯💯
Whole lotta bs right here. Di Maria playing wouldn't have changed anything in 2014
@@TheSoleGOAT none of us know, to say it wouldn't change anything is wrong
Di Maria was vital,glad he started and excelled!!!
yea, spot on, if he had played in 2014, Argentina would have won, Hugian was a disaster and cost Argentina dearly,
what a final.. that man from rosario gave so much stress and happiness to people
Agree- Stress with a HAPPY ending 🇦🇷 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🎊🎉🎈
Now for Messi to win Champions with PSG ...then 8th Balon D'or
Exactly what I'm thinking
I feel even Messi feels he never needed a WC title to solidify his GOAT status. That's why he didn't really crumble into an emotional wreck at the decisive penalty. I think he felt he simply needed the WC for the Argentinian people. If Argentina had lost yesterday, it wouldn't change my conviction one bit that he's the GOAT.
They are 100% right about that extra degree of aggression helping Messi. You saw it in multiple games at the WC, most visibly against Holland. This is very U.S. of me, but it reminds me of Michael Jordan, who used to make up slights and insults to motivate himself against opponents. When Dibu was asked why he made the "vulgar gesture" with the Golden Hand, he said: "because the French fans were booing me." This is what you have to do to get that elite edge-- literally create a fantasy that your enemy has disrespected you... brilliant.
It's all about opinions
Same here! But his struggle with my beloved Argentina (although I'm from Croatia & I love my homeland squad equally) was very complicated! For example,if Di Maria wasn't injured in WC 2014 Brazil,(his ankle was gone in QF vs Belgium)I'm certain that we would've win that German squad with the help of Angel! And when my other GOAT Maradona died,seems to me like part of his leadership spirit went straight into Leo!🙌😢🙏🇦🇷10 + 🐐🇦🇷🐐10 = GOAT
@@josiplilic3384 Argentina were very, very close indeed in 2014. This time, luck and skill were on their side. It wasn't the penalties that won the game-- it was their first 75 minutes of dominance. Well earned.
@@SuperRobertoClemente Gracias 🙏
Clearly he was the GOAT before this. But to win the Copa America In Brazil, Then beat Italy the Euro champs in England, then Beat France In Qatar for the World Cup... simply amazing. If there is any doubters out there you need to have ur brains checked.
Remove emotions from the GOAT debate. The world cup is the greatest competition and the biggest in soccer. To be the greatest you have to win the biggest challenge. The bar has been set for the GOAT and that is three world cups(wins). There's a desperation to re-engineer the foundation and the structure of the GOAT debate so that it is biased towards Mess, it seems like rigging the debate in favour of Messii!! Can someone tell me why Messi hasn't won three world cups when he's infact been to several? It is because it is very difficult to win one! Three world cups is a very high bar for Messi! And it is not like Messi hasn't been to a world cup, he's been to a couple! Messi wins one and he's the GOAT!! No, there's someone who has three world cups.
Winning one and being declared the GOAT is really lowering the bar so that Messi can get over the line, this makes Messi look weak! Messi is great but not the greatest. Being the greatest is not easy, Messi and Ronaldo would tell you that. There is so much bias, bigotry, prejudice etc in the GOATSHIP debate, so the best way to overcome all that bad stuff is to look at the numbers, numbers don't lie! Look at Messi's, Ronaldo's, Pele's and Maradona's numbers then decide. Numbers are the fairest way to compare!
@@jige6356 Pele is already dead. So is Maradona. With both of them gone, Messi is clearly number 1 now.
@@jige6356 Numbers like WC cups or what? Where are Pele and Maradona's Copa America titles? Messi has the numbers, in terms of numbers they cant even measure up to Gerd Müller.
Another player and WC winner who had an long run and scored many goals in the "standing football" of his time.
no! if you believed messi needed any of this to be the goat than you just show that you have no clue of the sport.
Messi beat Ronaldo in a UCL Final, Neymar in a Copa Final & now Mbappe in a World Cup Final.
Showed them whos boss
He just needs to beat haaland now
That 2009 final still hurts,as a United fan man because we could have won that.2011 was a footballing lesson from Barca though.Messi out jumping Rio has been imprinted in my brain from the 09 final.
in copa final and wc final: di maria is the key player, not messi. Without di maria messi doesnt show up
He beats Mbappe via penalties. Mbappe had most Argentinians on a pacesetter machine before the victory.
Jules is a true professional . If I’m French I’m to distraught to go on tv.
He's holding back so much.
props to him for being a true football fan, even if you don't believe Messi is the GOAT is your opinion, but you can't deny the facts ...
He seems like a really nice fellow as well
Right that game was too close the French should’ve have won the game honestly had 2 chances to win it
I’ve never seen a person blink so fast,his eyes tell a story
Probably the best world cup final in my opinion in the past 2 decades! Even tho France and Mbappe were beaten in penalties, you gotta give some major credits to Mbappe for being clinical and helping France's hope stay alive in regular and extra time. Argentina almost bottled it by subbing out Di Maria too early and replacing him with Acuna who couldn't do anything on the left except make back passes... Amazing game by Messi and you really can't argue his status in the world of football especially after this game.
Football is complete.
To people who were able to appreciate Messi for what he was, he didn't need the world cup. BUT for all those who smirked and laughed at his Argentina Career now they have absolutely nothing to say
Gab ‘75 facial expressions a minute’ Marcotti
Man looked straight coked out lol
I can't get past Gab's teddy bear finish
Messi's looked up to Maradona and Mbappe looks up to Christiano and the difference shoes :D
Shows
Liga1 was Messi's warm-up for the world cup 😭🤣
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I think the shift in attitude towards messi happened even before the 2019 copa america. I think it happened in the qualifiers for the 2018 world cup when argentina were at risk of not even making the world cup, and messi came back to save their qualification campaign including that hat-trick against equador in the final matchday to seal their spot in Russia.
yep everyone in argentina became de pauls lol listening to him like students and following him like body guards which means unity i guess.. lol
Messi Goat!!! Enhorabuena Argentina y Messi!!!!
Jules never believed Argentina could win the world cup, he's still in pains and I really feel for him.
My issue was his arrogance. Writing Argentina off.
Argentina should have finished France off with a 3-0 win.
Shouldn't have gone to extra time
Gab has a point. Man for man even with injuries France players are at huge clubs Barca, PSG, United, Madrid. While Argentina has Messi and a few players are big clubs they don't have nearly the pedigree man for man. Other than Messi who in the Argentina team gets in the France starting squad? Yet Argentina played better as a unit for most of the game (or at least the first 75 minutes)... That goes to the coaching for me that Scaloni is better than Deschamps
Jules is just something. Argentina went on a streak of no losses till the Saudi game. Showing that Argentina had the better coach at hand
Lol 🇫🇷 was with C TEAM players. No way was 🇫🇷 suppose to make the finals but Deschamps got them there. A they lost on pens which is a lottery
I find it really hard to criticise the French team, honestly. Yes they didn't show up at first, but that happens in life. They did react after the changes and played incredibly well and bravely.
Both countries played their part in the greatest game I've ever seen and that does matter a lot. Football is meant to be joyous escapism, and this game provided that to the fullest.
all credit to deschamps he made the critical changes before halftime, a statement taking off your best striker in the tournament, and shaking it up
he did the same change vs morocco to ice the game, to do it in this game wow
@@piggy8761Thank Lionel Scaloni for taking Di Maria substitution, that's the change that changed the game.
yep, they were sick OR they sold out. Either way France played NOTHING for bout 80 mins. If they had Argentina would of NEVER won.
@@djdeadly246 Yeah, they were suffering from the French "VIRUS" that knows as Angel Di Maria.
Yeah, but really stressful too. I thought I'd have a heart attack.
Respect to juls standing his ground on deschamps
agreed. if messi hadn’t moved to psg and stayed at barcelona i don’t think he would have won this world cup. god works in mysterious ways.
From the fluidity in the first half and the positioning throughout the match, it does look like Albiceleste had been better coached for this match than the French team. The fact is that the French team didn't look like they had a plan and especially after Giroud, Dembele and subsequently Griezmann were subbed out, the French team became one of raw athleticism. Gab has a point that it wasn't as well balanced a team as Scaloni had put together for this match.
But if the team that finish the match for France started they would’ve won. But if they had kante and pogba they won that match
@@thebridge5483 no guarantee. they would have faced a better argentina earlier. it helps to come on as subs.
@@thebridge5483 Hmmm....respectfully, I disagree. I maintain that the French team that finished was all largely about legs and not much in the way of tactics or strategy (except that Mbappe was able to harness it all together). That first half Argentinian display for me stands out as one of the best of any team in a finals of the WC in history.
@@thebridge5483 If,if,if
Indeed Ronaldo was something special made me fall in love with football always guna be a legend R9 ♥️
Poor Juls... gracious and honest in defeat top job to come right out of that game and speak the way he did about Messi even though you could see I'm his eyes he was close to tears.
Mbappe is nowhere near the player of Lio. For one reason. Sheer pace. Kylian has that pace and relies on that pace. That kind of pace always fades by age 28. The presumption that Kylian will 'get better' is possibly false. As a pace player, these peek at age 23-24.
Rashford became Slowford in a year.
mbappe still time
Mbappe scored 8 goals in this WC, 1 header vs Australia, 1 Tap in with right foot and 1 tap in with his tight vs Denmark, 2 powerful shot Top corner against Poland, 2 penalty and 1 amazing volley against Argentina. None of them were scored because of his pace, he scored because of his skills, Mbappe is an elite finisher, dribbler and passer, Mbappe isn’t Adama Traore my friend even at 35 years old he could have scored these goals.
@@Anthonydu01630 He might evolve his game one day but he is definitely relying on his pace. Let's see how he evolves
@@masudbillah6196 you’re not listening and just regurgitating what you have been hearing, he by no means “relies” on his pace although it is his most clear advantage. Literally about none of his 8 World Cup goals came from just “outrunning” everyone
He’s definitely been rounding out his game
He is not at the top for nothing, he definitely intends on being able to compete with the best for a long time, and I could see him take a similar development through his career to that of CR7 or Thierry Henry
I remember before the worldcup , in gab and jules show they said this worldcup will be special as it is in the middle of the season and this is when Messi and Cristiano always hit the peak.
Messi did,Cristiano was abysmal and then benched
Messi = Michael Jordan, Angel Di Maria = Scottie Pippen.
Just let Jules go home mahn an rest.....He's very emotional 😭😭😭
Let the man rest.
The baton will be passed from Messi to Mbappe at the end of the season after PSG lift the CL and he has picked up his 8th Ballon D'or.
Then it will be time for the long retirement world tour :)
Football: completed. ❤️
Mbappe winning the ballon dor
@@Javggoat not this year... that's done now. Next year he will be favourite though.
@@Javggoat No chance. Messi has won the worldcup. If PSG win the Champions League they will have to give it to Messi.
@@Javggoat Not on your life.
No, he's top player at 35. He can continue in a club for another 4 or 5 years
Trying to find Shaka Hislop since yesterday 😅
He did needs this to be the GOAT. He did it. Incredible career.
He didn't need it.. Its silly to say that if he would have lost the penalty shootout that he's not the goat....its a silly arguement.
He was already the greatest player that the vast majority of football fans had ever seen.
He was already the GOAT. This just proves what he already was
I am messi fan I don’t think he needed it but people will always argue saying he didn’t win it but now what they are gonna say now
Strange as it may be, I think a huge weight lifted off Messi's shoulders when Maradona died in 2020 and he was no longer under his towering glare. I think it's one of those odd situations where someone can truly shine when someone else is removed from the picture, though they have nothing personal against each other.
I never really thought of that. You have a point. Maybe Maradona passing inspired Messi to take more of a leadership type of role as well.
@@PoorStretch Argentines used Maradona as a stick to beat Messi with. When Modric took Croatia to the finals in 2018, he won the Ballon d'or. When Messi couldn't win the WC in 2014, there were demos, his posters and pictures were burned. Therewas a lynch mob atmosphere in Argentina bc they had this misconception that Maradona won the WC all by himself. Messi was abominably treated. It must have left a mark. All that is over now.
Maradona was a legend of football but a 💩 person, he make all the coaches nervous and the things he was saying influenced them in their decisions, sadly enough if he was still alive he probably would have requested the higher ups to remove scaloni before the world cup because he hated him and didn't seen him as capable of winning anything even if he saw him winning copa america and the finalissima he would have still move some strings to kick him out and made the team lose.
Getting sick of the ESPN Prada advert 🤦♂️👎🏽
Juls compared a 23 Mbappe to 35 year old Messi 😂
How hurt are u ?
I think his point was you cant really hold it against mbappe if he didnt do much for the first 70 minutes because his entire team were ghosting. At least he made up for it and single handedly brought france back into the game while scoring a hattrick and breaking records. A better comparison would be 27 year old prime messi in 2014 when he played an even worse game over 120 minutes in the final against Germany.
@@ahsans3277 if Otamendi didnt make that mistake, France whould ve not score in a milions years..
@@ahsans3277 Bro , in that final both Higuain and Palacios missed simple chances in front of the goal and u still blame messi .
@@valentindorneanu666 if Dembele didn't play in the final Argentina would lose
So much pain on marcotti's face, when Julien says Messi is GOAT. Marcotti will never say that Messi is GOAT. Fact is Messi was GOAT before this world cup and this trophy is a cherry on top
It was never debatable for me! Messi & Maradona = ⚽🐐🇦🇷10 + ⚽🐐🇦🇷10 When Diego died,part of his leadership spirit has gone into heart of Leo!
R.I.P. Santa Maradona - D10S 😢🙏💯🙌💯
the pressure on messi to win this world cup would have been unreal. and he and his team did it. they did it!
They were given a record 5 penalties tjete no pressure when your always ahead of your opponent with help
@@messiisapig2478 France got 4 penalties last World Cup and scored all of ‘em
Argentina got 5 and missed 1
But it didn’t matter cus Messi wasn’t on the team💀
Seems like the loss to Argentina really affected Juls 😔 .....sorry bro
Jules is shedding crocodile tears .... Argentina are an average team with the 🐐 carrying them .... Just accept the fact that France were lucky against England and Morocco and today they were gifted. 2 penalties ......
Why is britt dellusion and bitterness still lingering in world cup videos? Haven't you guys moved on to something else already?
France C Team was in final.
@@razackchrist5096 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
Fifa 23 even has Goat written on Messi shirt now lol
Messi isn't best because he won world cup, messi won world cup because he's best. Wc is just another aspect. For me he was best already, this worldcup is for those who kept talking bullshit like rainy night at stoke, national trophy, big game performance etc.
The puro Italiano over the French debate since the 2006 final feel perfect essence for Juls to accept this one
France should have never have got passed England.
past, Kane skied his penalty. Too bad. England stopped Mbappe with two defenders. Messi eats two defenders for breakfast.
Mbappe was bad before the 70' because all the team was Bad. Mbappe need a good middlefield to have a good game. The french Team was not good in the world cup, the were very weak. Mbappe scored 8 goals 2 assist and was involed in the 2 goals against Morroco. No Mbappe No Final
Gab and Jules share my sentiments.
For me has been the best since 2012 when he broke that record for most goals in 1 year. But the media pushed that Cristiano,,rivalry " so much that people actually doubted him.
HIM , THE GUY.
The guy that outscored and outshined TEAMS in 1 year. Absolutely insane people thought he had to win a WC to be considered the best.
Argentina wasn’t well coached?
8:20 Can Mbappe really play CF though? He's 5'10, doesn't have much of an aerial game, and at least so far in his career, he hasn't really shown much defending/pressing skills.
I feel for Jules and all the French fans. To have come so close and be beaten in the last moments. They were great throughout the tournament. 🇫🇷
Not at first.
That 118 pen ,could have been so avoided .
My prediction was 3-2 and I was so close .
Deschamps tactics can be quite negative. They beat England with a smash and grab win. A better team both in terms of manager and game management from players would have knocked out France but Kane bottled his penalty. WC is about moments. Mbappe didnt bottle his pens. Kane did. Yet nobody says Kane should play for Madrid or Bayern like Gab says about Mbappe needing a different coach like Klopp.
No fine margins???? lol. We didn t watch the same game. Those margins were Messi and Mbape
Have a drink everytime jules blinks
France coach was nowhere near to the tactical mind of Scolani. He failed for up to 75 minutes in the game, and he just tried to do the same as Netherland did by introducing the tall players. It was nothing tactical about that. Moreover, I think Mbappe was so lucky in this game as most of his strikes got the hands of Keeper, but he managed to score.
I have nothing but massive respect for Juls.
Scaloni this man I think I saw him with his faceless expression checking his pulse after di maria scored.
Mbappe will have to adapt by 27,28 when his pace will be gone. No more easy kick the ball up front and sprint pass defenders.
the speed decreases from the age of 35 or at the end of a player's career. That is enough for Mbappe to be the fastest player until he is 35, as Robben was.
@@medmoussa7494 men physical decline starts right before 30, he wont have the same speed thats for sure. After 30 testosterone starts decreasing considerably every single year.
So no, he wont be the fastest till 35.
@@fooball24H hhhh you said that's for sure as if you knew the future lol Haile Gebrselassie ran marathons until the age of 37, holding multiple world records. the speed does not decrease from the age of 30 but from the age of 40 if the athlete is regular.
@@fooball24H Mbappe could still run at this speed until his 40 years if he takes care of his body... Haile Gebrselassie ran marathons until the age of 37, holding multiple world records...In 2010, the European Review of Aging and Physical Activity published the results of a large survey of 194,560 participants in a 15 km road race who were followed for 12 years, from 1995 to 2007. precise analysis of the race time was carried out taking into account age, gender but also training. This study showed that the decline in performance, for trained runners, decreases quite rapidly from the age of 40, and this more markedly than in “recreational” runners. This study also shows that the decline is faster after age 65 in both groups.
@@medmoussa7494 exactly MARATHON, not sprints.
how is the volume always so low? unwatchable... again....
What watch is Jules wearing? It looks great!
Lionel Scaloni out-coached Deschamps lol. The French couldn’t lay a glove on Di Maria down that wing. Juliens is just failing to admit it
He has won everything numerous records and world records
Ronaldo has won everything in England, Italy, and Spain 🤫🤫🤫🤫😉😉😉 Messi always been spoon fead since he was a little boy, mama forgot to breast feed him so Blatter and Barça had to jump in as a sub and do everything for their precious little git.
“Penaldo” fan? Yeah Messi scored 4 penaltis out of 7 total goals in the World Cup 🤫🤫🤫🤫
@@diogorodrigues10 it is hard to argue against messi, his accolades and now w.c makes him GOAT, ronaldo has only scored 1 goal this w.c a penalty and tried to steal another one going as far to ask that his coach and FA as for a review. yes messi has only played in 2 leagues compare to ronaldo 4 but it can be argued that he played the best the leagues had to offer in th CL and won 4 in fine style along with the pep era being among the most dominant periods in club football history and MSN being a close behind.
No doubts
Without messi, argentina n barcelona are average. Period.
I didn't even enjoy the game or the win just suffered with Argentina so that this debate ends. As for best ever I always knew it's him
Mbappe in 2018 was brilliant like Messi was in 2022
I hope Miami's can get him for the summer but coming of this WC I think they would have to guarantee him $200 million plus ownership stakes. I don't think he I'd as money hungry but that would be fair market value and for the league it would be a very good deal. This would be 10X the Beckham effect. For those who don't watch the league Beckham and the rule changes that allowed him to come saved the league and lead to the massive growth we have seen. Messi could have even a greater impact because he will bring so many eyes to the league both international and domestic.
Jules looks very sad and he is having to talk on tv right after the match must be very hard
10:00 Jules saying Messi wansn't involved in this game...
Tbf I hardly saw Messi on the ball. Only in the first half
@@diogorodrigues10 i saw something..messi with the world cup in his hands nothing else matters only history !
Absolutely...he is the greatest of all times💪🤞🐐😊❤
The most loved and respected since Pele !
That's an epic thumbnail ESPN
Bit harsh on Mbappe because Argentina dominated midfield up until the penalty.
Meanwhile Ronaldo getting ready for next Pierce Morgan interview how Portugal coach disrespected him
Yea right 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't know who I love more, Julie Laurens or Alejandro Moreno...
When you look at this Argentina team on paper they should have not won. But they have Messi and that was the difference.
Against who ? France C Team.
@@razackchrist5096 France c team 💀💀
Argentina have some good players - better than Croatia & Morroco - plus had a lot of support from fans which also helps
@@razackchrist5096 hahahahahaha here use this 🍼
Love you guys commentary
5.5 for someone who scored a hat trick!? Lol shut up Gab & Juls who judges a impact player on every min? That'll b like criticizing Messi frm 75 min til 2nd extra time. Respect greatness
Messi as a lot of dribbling moments build up passes Mbappe didn’t do anything for 75 minutes
blablabla at leat Mbappe is better than you
The posters!!!! 😀😃
Yes, I agree that Argentina "struggle" at the end. BUT, France was never ahead in the score, and Argentina still had chances to win even while being attacked.
Also: Argentina was the one to score the "winner" goal, with Messi, putting the 3-2.
Last Mbappe´s goal was to get even, not a winner goal.
For me, that means Argentina still had the winning will on their side, it didn´t matter if they kept getting even, Argentina would put another goal ahead.
Arg is better coached and France 3rd goal is illegal and a scandal
'He did not need this. However this was absolutely huge for him... ' this is a contradiction in terms. Which is which?
And we can always wonder what might have happened if Benzema and Kante had been there.
Argentina loses . Red helped while way through but no one says a thing . They never tailed again after Saudi game because of being given penalty . Argentina never faced adversity at all because refs made sure
Argentina also had Lo Celso missing :/
It's confirmed! Gab is a giant and Messi is the GOAT.
Great analysis from this
Gab looks so tired lol
I can't believe the African national team lost to Argentina.
We heard that 5billion times now and its overused. Come up with something new pls👶🏽🍼
@@hypello9534 Nah, I'll stick with repeating the truth.
Ronaldo had to compete with Messi
Mbappe too has to compete with him even at his old age
G.O.A.T Stuff
Di Maria played 1/2 the game and was better. Messi wore golden boots for WC tourney, gets 6 pks and still doesn't get the golden boots. Mbappee, " Move aside puppet"
How do you think the ban on alcohol during the world cup affected Argentina players? There should be a study
THE GREATEST ❤️🇦🇷
Argentina never trailed after Saudi game . They were given lead with a penalty in game after to make sure they were never down a goal
lol noteamnaldo fan sounds mad
They literally didn’t take the lead by penalty in group stage after Saudi game up till semi finals
Against Mexico Messi scored a long range shot
Against Poland Alvarez scored an open ply goal
R16 against Australia they also didn’t take the lead with a penalty
Messi scored an open play goal
Against Netherlands Messi gave a brilliant assist to Molina 😂
It’s okay to hate
But at least get it right 😂
They didn’t take the lead by penalty up till semi finals …evergame after Saudi till semi final they scored an open play goal to take the lead 💀
But haters must hate
Messi The Goat
Juls hurt is still very palpable.😂
So leading his team to a world cup 🏆 doesn't impact his greatness? I think it's crazy to say it doesn't. If it did, then I think it takes him from just being in the conversation, to being 'the GOAT'.
Or... Contention with only PELE some would argue
While Maradonna and Pele were great and they got kicked about a lot, the standard of football back then was a far lower level than that of football today! The tactics, the way a team defends, the way a team keeps possession until they have a perfect opening rather than just crossing the ball in the hope it will find someone is far superior with the best teams and players today.
@@MarkWalmsley I can understand & respect this argument. Its funny you mentioned being kicked about. I just wonder if those other factor balances out everything. Because with the sport advancing it makes it harder for players in some ways but also much easier in other ways. Nutrition, better support cast (coaches, players), videos to study opponents... The list goes on and on
@@ojlyttle5887 yes I think there is a certain amount of leveling off in terms of players today having better everything, but in terms of the level of football being played, today's is so much more strategic that in my opinion players like Maradonna and Pele would be lost and look rather basic.
Not if they have the same access to what these players have today i would argue. I guess this is why it's a never ending debate because it's hard to compare two different players from different generations.
10:40 jules trying his best to make it look as if Argentina and France had equivalent level of talent pool to chose from. Even with all the injuries at best 3 players might get a place in the french squad.
It amazes me how many soccer fans fail to see the following:
Ronaldo Brazil = great goal scorer
Ronaldo Portugal = great goal scorer
Mbappe = great goal scorer
Xavi = great passer
Modric = great midfielder
De Bruyne = great midfielder
and on and on and on and on
but only one is the great at all three....the GOAT. The "flick" to setup the second goal...says it all.
What will happen with all those golden stadiums now.
Messi didn't wanna leave in 2021 lol
Basketball players played well last night.