That's right. But just realize that red America preferred to prosecute the culture war rather than work with liberals who wanted to increase wages, defend unions, provide healthcare, fund public schools etc.
I’ll make it simple. Where ever you live, you need a living wage. This social contract was broken for the vast majority of people. Most people don’t want to move or be deprived of a dignified life. Wealth concentrated at the top does not equal prosperity.
Who is the Svengali to tell you what that number is? And it it the same in San Francisco as Dubuque Iowa? Need a sliding scale maybe? Sounds pretty complicated.
Wealth concentrated at the top does not equal prosperity, but people all over the world live happily in conditions "without a living wage" as defined by a bunch of wealthy or upper-middle class Americans. Raising wages only results in employers and retailers raising their prices. That's exactly what has happened in the USA.
I am very educated but as a counselor and social worker I spent most of my life working with people who were not. I have watched them slip into greater and greater poverty. This talk appeals to my educated side, but feels out of touch with what more and more people, especially those in Gen Z feel, about the economy that is not serving them well. With often 1/2 of your paycheck going to rent and having to work two jobs to keep your head above water just to live paycheck to paycheck, you feel like we are sliding back behind parents and grandparents who could afford homes and FOOD, let alone take a break for a weekend off. He seems out of touch to me. This is why I feel Democrats have been losing. Too much in their heads. I get it. I love to be in my head. But I am grateful I am often out of my bubble into boots on the ground and the realities of more and more Americans that he is NOT talking about.
And Carter letting go of wage/price controls. And Bush's bailouts. And Clinton's NAFTA, "third way" centrists, and WTO neoliberalism. And Bush Jr's and Obama's epic bailout. etc.
Not Europeans. I was there. 5 countries. Asked them if they'd trade their citizenship. Said they'd never give up their health care. Nor their safety. Nor their public transportation Nor would Canadians. y@@WesternPatriot-v8m
@lupus7194 😢sadly, I agree. Our nation in SOME ways is an amazing country…BUT there is so much more we could be doing better, not only for equitable health care, but equitable education, housing, nutrition. We’ve lost touch. The disparities between the poorest & wealthiest is astronomical and getting worse.
Real wages stagnated the last 30 years for all Americans except the very top. All that great wealth that has been generated during that period went almost exclusively to the top. That's just a fact. Enough with the gaslighting already.
So why do Americans continue to elect the top then? A billionaire president with a billionaire side kick in Musk? Last time he was in office he shifted more money to the 1% than anyone else with crazy tax breaks to multinational corporations. When America was considered great.. say the 1950's there was substantial taxes on the rich and the middle class thrived.
But that is a different argument. That is what we have to deal with through our own American Law. Do something. But you can’t do it alone. It takes a movement which takes a group which takes work. And you can vote …..and the electoral college is a hindrance.
@@granthurlburt4062 Yes, and a feeling of entitlement. After the end of the (first) Cold War in 1990, American elites felt that they, and they alone, had "won the Cold War" (they had already learnt to feel the same way, or almost, about victory in WW2 - the only ones they really wanted to admit sharing that laurel with were Britain and Canada) and thereby had inherited stewardship of the entire world. I think this smug conviction that the unipolar era had finally arrived is part of the reason for the blatant carelessness of US foreign policy and diplomacy in this century.
Armin Navabi on atheist republic does better analysis if you looking for that - unfortunately islamists and woke and fascists do not really understand liberal secular democracy.
@@louise_rose Their sense of entitlement comes from securing ownership of the legislators, funded by their tax exemption. While simultaneously escalating the use of the public's tax funds, to "bail out" their failures.
You're right --- income inequality did not come up in this conversation. Neither speaker addressed the unfair US tax system and massive breaks given to corporations and the super rich.
It ALL Started under RONALD REAGAN!!!! He Sold Out to GE and became Pro BUSINESS and ANTI Worker, Anti Union!! He is NOT The "GREAT" President people think he was!!!
Frum is missing an important reality of American life. In my county, a tiny studio apartment rents for $1600. This means a $20/hour worker puts in two weeks pay just to pay rent. When I was a youngster, the rule was “25% to housing, no more” to be able to cover bills and have a hope of some savings. Young people don’t get married, don’t have kids, don’t have needed medical and dental work because they CAN’T AFFORD IT. Please don’t tell us how “rich” we are as a nation. That’s turning a blind eye to life as lived by millions.
America is very rich. Just most of the people are not. That’s the difference. We have more rich people than other countries. Doesn’t put food on the table for most of us, but it’s a statistic. We have more people screwing over the rest of the population than other countries! Aw capitalism. The shittiest products, health care, services, everything, but those stocks keep going up!
Same in the major cities of the UK. But in the UK and Canada, we have universal free healthcare. There are riches in all three countries, for sure. But the billionaires need more money. So for the vast majority, things are only getting worse.
That is because 5 billionaires in the USA have bought 35% of family homes. They then raised prices of rent continuing to be raised. This is the greed of corporations.
The degree of socio-economic inequality that exists today is staggering. A slow motion coup d'etat by the corporate class was accomplished by the overarching influence of money, by and for private elites, via the servility of public elites. Follow the money. There are oceans of money. Who's got it and who overlords its distribution: the capitalist class or the working class? The primacy of this question dwarfs all others.
America is lonely now. America as the world's largest economy and military for decades could have made the world a better place. Rather it went paranoid. It chose bullying, threats, conflict creation, unwise covert regime changes to protect its stance. Now the world has lost respect for America and is trying to find its own way. America could have chosen peace, cooperation, honest mediation etc.
Where in the hell has David Frum been living. We working people have been left behind, we are talking about jobs that once could provide a family with a house, car, food, clothes, vacations, educations, sometimes a second home and by the way much of the time it was one income households, these people were factory workers, carpenters, laborers, truck drivers, hell shoe salesmen could raise a family!!! Nobody will convince me that the wealth gap hasn’t been growing for decades and our standard of living continues to deteriorate every year. This is the biggest problem in society, families aren’t even the same, lives are crazier, faster and family members are all going in different directions. Things are totally different and not for the better Mr. FRUM, don’t make excuses!!
Exactly! My father was a union carpenter in the 50s 60s and early70s. One income, 4 kids, a modest house and a decent car. My husband was a pharmacist and I was a clinical laboratory scientist. Our 2 fulltime combined incomes that provided for 2 kids a modest house and 2 decent cars. Now my kids generation cannot afford a house, one kid and her children still live with me and the other rents a room.
As a Canadian I consider President George Bush to be a criminal for attacking Iraq without just cause. Saddam Hussein was a criminal but two wrongs don't make a right. When Canada, which was in on going into Afghanistan due to 9/11 with the US, said it would not go into Iraq, Mr. Bush said' you are with us or against us'. Canada said basically said then I guess we are against you.
The US gave Iraq a chance to create a better country. Similarly for Afghanistan. Years later, people still call for the US to intervene in broken countries like Haiti, Sudan, Venezuela, etc. You can't have it both ways, people.
@@MB-xe8bb No other nations called for the Iraq intervention. The power void, counter insurgents, and Isis killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. With all respect for the veterans who served there, it was a misuse of the military by any measure.
@@MB-xe8bbU.S never intervene for other... until they find their own interest. Even in 39-45, it tooks 2 years before getting involved. And as of today it is still the case... "me, myself and I" is the population leitmotiv.
You are 100% correct. Bush, another huge embarrassment, was as dumb as a box of hammers and knew he was lying when we went in. Canada was right when your assistant prime minister said he was a moron, and smart to not join the war against Iraq.
NO, Mr. Frum. You're evading the truth. Sixty years ago, a single wage earner, in a blue collar job, could earn enough to support a family, including owning a house, buying a car, perhaps two cars. That wage earner had health insurance through employment that eventually paid up to 80% of most medical expenses, although for some reason our ears and teeth were left out of the bargain. That wage earner had actual vacation time and was able to take it without any fear of retaliation from their management. And that wage earner was able to retire, and live decently, with a pension in most cases, and social security. And later, Medicare. That wage earner's kids went to good schools where they got solid educations that didn't include active shooter drills. If those kids wanted to go to college, college was affordable. And state schools, land grant universities, were excellent. That is not the life a working class wage earner can look forward to today. That America was real, and it was destroyed. Intentionally. By American politicians. Starting with the illegal union busting by Ronald Reagan.
After WW2 there were no factories left in Europe. Things were manufactured in America because there were factories available. This boom lasted for decades until Europe rebuilt. Those jobs aren’t coming back.
Overstated BS. While the Marshall Plan was a win-win for the US and western Europe, it's not as if all factories and all communications infrastructure in Europe had been razed to the ground by WW2. The "you gotta buy your industrial stuff from the US" boom was over by the mid-to-late fifties..
After WWII, the United States was the only manufacturing country that wasn't bombed to pieces. So, in 1955 the white American guy could fumble his way through high school and get a great union manufacturing job because there wasn't any foreign competition to speak of. By the seventies, Japan and Germany had rebuilt their industries and started to compete. That white guy from 1955 since then has had to deal with competition from foreign manufacturing workers, minorities, women, computers, robots, labor-saving manufacturing and construction machinery that has been developed since 1955, so he doesn't have a monopoly on manufacturing labor, so he isn't worth as much in real purchasing power. Nobody can change that. So, the corporations can be doing well without the workers doing well.
United States funded Japan & Germany rebuilding under the Marshall plan with lunch box crowd taxes. It was the US Corporate crowd who wanted to produced poor quality product, not the US worker.
Actually, there is a lot of inequality elsewhere, too, but in EU you don't feel it so much bc average people get a decent wage (not to mention health care and other social programs).
@@jeffspicolli593 What is creeping socialism? You make it sound like the government supports folks who choose not to work. In the province of Ontario the maximum welfare benefit for a single adult is $733 per month. Who is choosing that?
If that child was guilty as sin, I'd take them there myself. Nepotism is never a reason for injustice. Quite the opposite. Time was when people held their children to a higher standard of behavior than normal, instead of none at all. Nepotism (or any kind of 'mine first' behavior) is the worst form of tribalism. Oh, I completely understand why it is that way. It's still basic primates. It's why we rule by law not by hearts. And President's (or any elected officials) should be the best of us and be held to the highest standards. Not the lowest common denominator. Look at what the Royal Family has done with Andrew. Ostracized. But when you allow your children's terrible behavior to cause your own in mirror, you'd failed as a parent and as a person. Or in this case, as a President.
Of all the things I care about, Biden pardoning his son is almost dead last. Dead last is what Patrick Mahomes and Taylor Swift are doing. Hunter Biden lied in order to buy a gun (probably the most American thing ever). The January 6th people did their best to destroy democracy. Not terribly comparable, eh?
When one criticizes someone else for NOT obeying the rule of law, even though he has the power to pardon, the optics speak OTHERWISE! So NOT SO RIDICULOUS! Frankly, I think Hunter IS guilty! He certainly does n't have experience with extracting and distributing methane!
Sometimes David Frum is just an idiot. Income inequality has exploded, it's real, it makes working class people available to fascist appeals, and he just ignores it.
It's the middle class that vote for fascists, not the working class. They love income inequality because it means they can buy more stuff like a rich person would.
The amazing thing is that Smith is Premier of Alberta. No obvious skills. Full of anger. Picks phony fights. Calls names. There's no Team Canada in Smith. Love the way she hovers over her Ministers at news conferences like a helicopter Mom making sure they say the right things.
The stagnation of wealth the middle and working classes have experienced over the past 45 years is the motivator for those groups. The Billionaire-Class has massively increased their wealth during that same period. The backlash post pandemic was primarily due to wealth regression experienced by everyday citizens in western economies. The stunning fact of the last US election is the victims of the Billionaire-Class voted for the Billionaire-Class.
I disagree with you. Which party in this election took more money from the donor class. I am not a trumper . But Kamala took more money from corporation than rebulicans
Their excuse is that wouldn't be enough to solve the problem... Or that would put the best CEOs away of our western enterprises... That the enterprises would leave the West... Major problem was when they started, with reaganomics, to put coorporations above the state interests, gave them so much benefits, pardon them so many faults... The echo of US economic "rules" started to spread in Europe, Canada, etc... Now is what we have... 😪
@@sustainablelivingnl773a society will not prosper in the long run if a small arrogant oligarchy keeps looting it. For a period people might believe the delusions they are fed with, but when hunger knocks on the door, there will probably be played a different tune.
Stop treating us like we are stupid. I was a mechanic in the late 70's until the early eighties. My compensation was 50% of the dealerships 16 dollars per flat rate hour. When I left after seeing the writing on the wall, I was getting 12.50 of a 32 dollars per flat rate hour. The flat rate hour doubled in less than a decade. Do you see what didn't double? Today dealerships get anywhere from 150 dollars per flat rate hour to 300 dollars per flat rate hour using a sliding scale. Average mechanic pay in Oklahoma today is 20-28 dollars per flat rate hour. Can you really not see the problem? Seriously. Today's statistics show that blue collar workers across the board are paid less than 50 dollars per hour. CAN YOU REALLY NOT SEE THE PROBLEM? SERIOUSLY!
Mr. Frum, the American invasion of Iraq in 2003 was an unjustifiable act of military aggression, no different from Mussolini’s invasion of Ethiopia in 1935, or Hitler’s invasion of Poland in 1939. Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11, and was not a threat to the United States. In fact, it was a bulwark against Iran, America’s principal enemy in the region. The invasion was the result of a hare-brained scheme hatched by neocons led by Dick Cheney. They, with typical American arrogance and ignorance, thought they could march into Iraq, be welcomed as liberators, establish a puppet state, and then use it to subvert or overthrow hostile regimes in the area, particularly Iran and Syria. Of course it backfired horribly. It descended into chaos (when you remove a dictator from a country that’s hopelessly disunited, it’s like taking the lid off a pressure cooker…hot scalding liquid spews in every direction). The Iranians, America’s real enemy, used the chaos to establish themselves as a dominant power player in Iraq. It’s disgraceful for Frum to try to justify the invasion of Iraq.
Frum speaks, but his words are not reality-based. He justifies without deep insight and does not have a robust view of the history of nations. Be mindful in these days of invading other nations, nations that are non-English speaking; different religions; different history & heritage. Be mindful of what you do and how you do it. I disagree with Frum - the World will never trust America again - as was the case BEFORE DONALD SHOWED UP. DONALD Swaggers as a Bully and a Dictator. HE doesn't do the actual bullying - he announces what he wants to do. Then he gives others the order to do the bullying. Don likes chaos to break things. He picks his bullys. Every Empire dies - from within!, from excesses of the Emperor, from another Empire. In the past, it was a younger Empire growing to fulfill the emperor's aspiration to be better, bigger than all. NOW, today, the frailty of national survival is predicated on Nuclear weapons self-assured Mutual Destruction. Destruction timed within 70 minutes. Unless suicidal, no one wants to nuke the world - the weapons intimidate - but the catastrophic outcomes will be world-wide radiation contamination; nuclear winter; massive numbers of humans dead from all nations - not just from the warring nations; the destruction of the Earth, its flora and fauna; scores of years living underground - to grow food, etc.; limited above ground scavenging when radiation drops. (TODAY, December 2024 - result of Chernobyl Nuclear Plant melt-down in Ukraine- any one walking on Chernobyl ground can only do that walk for 30 minutes - as radiation there will be dangerous for the human body.)
1 Osama bin Laden’s goal was to get American troops out of Saudi Arabia. Hence 9/11. When it became clear that members of the Saudi royal family were funding him, the US recognised they would have to remove their troops. But the troops were there to deter Saddam Hussein who had a habit of invading his oil producing neighbours and was considered a threat to global economic stability (via his ambition to obtain nuclear weapons and control Middle Eastern oil). 2 During the first gulf war Bush snr told the Iraqis if they rose up against Saddam America would help them. So they did. 15 out of the 18 provinces rose up, took over their local government offices and waited for the Americans. Who didn’t come because Bush decided not to exceed his UN mandate. And when the soldiers got back from Kuwait they were slaughtered.
I don't think it backfired at all. It succeeeded in the way it was supposed to. As a military state, the US needs fear to justify its miltary rule. For that it needs chaos.
speaking as a non American, we have a lot of respect for America. But now that Trump has been re-elected there is no patience with you. I do not think any country is going to try and appease this crazy man. If our countries suffer because of Trumps stupid policies then be it.
Yes he is an idiot. At the same time the previous leaders have not been so stellar either You could say we are on a roll. I hated Obama's international moves for example, even if he was a polished orator, he was and is stupid and uneducated. Well, not sure how to do this, but I apologize for things I have no control over. In reality, I am extremely sure that we are in dire need of ridding our government of broad and deep corruption labeled as either lobbying or campaign contributions. It is corruption plain and simple and Trump bought this election just as previous men did the same. We need to rise up and say enough is enough.
I’m from America, and I agree with you. I can’t believe that we have become a Trump nation and it’s embarrassing, he has caused so much animosity. Hope things are better where you’re at
@@10-4-q6i Yes and no. I am in western Canada. It is nice here but we have our problems like you , although on a lesser scale. I hope American can keep this man under control. My worry besides the economy is that he will pass the dictatorship to his stupid sons.
Well I am sn American and I have no respect for America. I am totally embarrassed that my fellow countryman would put this piece of #**# back in the White House.
Mr. Frum forgot to mention one big thing: income distribution of this vastly wealthier economy. Just because the economy got bigger is meaningless to most people unless the income inequality does not get worse. The problem is that income inequality did get worse in the last forty years. Adjusted for inflation, the middle and working class had seen no economic improvement in the last forty years.
I totally disaggree with his assertion that the woeking class has not been left behind. He doesn't mention the declining GNP in the US. Nor doea he mention the ever growing gap between the wealthy and the poor.
Enough with the whining from the American lower classes. Spending and shopping over Black Friday was at an all-time high. And you just voted to have your health care taken away from you.
Good point, certainly not everyone was Black Friday shopping but a huge number did, along with shopping on line and traveling in huge numbers for Thanksgiving. So I think Frum has very good points I also believe this is more than about money and wealth it is about men reclaiming their status. Maga politics is fundamentally sexual politics it is about the roll of the man in the world and the US. They want to re domicile the kind of production that increases the value of Male labour to rebalance the sexual economy of the US. A lot of what Magas are is about restoring the scarcity of male labour and depressing the value of female labour to right the balances of the sexes for the accepted ideological families that Christian nationalists want. A Very Repressive reactionary project which is very scary for women, for their right to choose, ability to get educated, work and even vote.
stores sales were at all times highs. People from all over the world buy from US stores during black friday HENCE the sales numbers. thats why store sales were crap but online sales are always high.
The whining also bothers me. Instead of this binge of consuming the latest gadgets - recycle, buy at thrift stores, make your gifts, make a donation to a charity. Share a walk in a forest with your family.
You stay the US is much wealthier than 50 years ago but that is not evident in real wages. Having more billionaires is not the best measure. The best measure is local capital formation and ownership.
After the fall of the Berlin wall, the USSR tripped and fell. If the USA would have offered a helping hand up at that point, the world would be a very different place. But rather than doing that, the USA used NATO to expand everywhere which caused much destabilization. When the USA suggested that Georgia join NATO, Russia pushed back. When the USA meddled in the Ukraine election circa 2013, Russia pushed back (then reclaimed Crimea) but this also started an 9-year civil war which the west ignored until it boiled over in 2022. One last point, the USA urged NATO partners, Britain and France, to take down Libya. That economy never recovered but the action did create ISIL and ISIS. Thanks for nothing, USA.
I don't think anyone realizes yet the scale of the social and political catastrophe this election represents to everyone. At bottom, we are dealing with the triumph of the philosophy of predation and might makes right over the rule of law, a fundamental shift in government and culture. Also, its well worth mentioning the income inequality disparity which Thomas Picketty documents with geometric precision in chart after chart after chart in his book, all hard data. That played and still plays a significant role. Elite greed cutting tens of millions from the American dream. When people cant afford homes or send kids to college. And see themselves falling behind even to immigrants, that has an impact. David, maybe you ought to read Picketty's thick volume, at least some. We are in a lot of trouble. Rule of gangster law is here. The fall of Rome, that sort of thing, because of greed. That's where we are heading.
2:05 criticism is accurate that the general population does lose. Big business wins. The top .01% are astonishingly richer. I’m 70. My son and the children of my friends are worse off in their 30s than my friends and I were in our 30s. What is real is that we should be doing better for our ALL of our population. Not just the US, UK, etc. wealthy nations should be helping poorer nations to truly have a rising tide really helping ALL people. We have serious mental health issues among all our youth.
We should start to help ourselfs in the West, because nobody will... We have to start to be more united, help each other on wherever we can, and make a real block to defend ourselfs against the axis of evil! We in the West spent the last 100 years helping our enemies to get on their feet...now they thank us with bombs, financial wars, commerce wars, and want to beat our hegemony... Wake up West!!! Our fairytale didn't work... Or you dominate or get dominated!
@@jennifershanks453 Actually there isn't. If everyone in the world lived an AVERAGE American lifestyle we would need the resources of 4-5 planet Earths. Even living the average life of someone in Portugal would require more than 2.
I don't have a problem the president pardoning his son . He was basically removed from the presidential election as a sitting president. The guy who won the election got away with horrendous things in the past and the things that he will do in the future will make that stuff look like small potatoes . Ok he lied on a gun approval process and a couple years of tax problems. Not murder and only hurt himself . Which he was good at doing to himself . Now does pardoning help his son? My brother always seemed to talk his way out of trouble . A judge would give him rehab for his addictive personality. In the end he died young from his problems . You could say if he got some serious jail time that could have been a motivator for change . Hunter may not learn but I think he has put his dad through allot and Biden took a hit for his son but it will be forgotten as he isn't on the target sheet anymore . A new person will occupy that space
Agree - Hunter's gun crime was an offence of a kind that happens tens of thousands of times a week in the US and which is hardly ever brought up for trial as a separate count - only if it's tied to other, serious and violent crimes. Hunter only kept the gun for eleven days and never fired it or aimed it at anybody. It's been blown out of proportions for political reasons and with 45 soon making a comeback to the White House, HB was more vulnerable than ever. Joe did the right thing. Also, Trump's recent victory, while it saved him from going to trial over Jan 6 etc, will likely turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP and for the USA. Trump's own reputation, his standing as a man and a political figure, will NOT be saved by the next four years.
As others have commented here, the income/wealth disparity within the US is the real source of backlash. Globalization and all the associated labels are scapegoats, deflecting from the results of emptying the pockets of the "lower" 90% into the pockets of the "upper" 10%. Income and wealth disparity has vastly increased since Reaganomics took root and continues right now through the second iteration of a Republican administration. I'm not sure where the breaking point is. I only know, historically, that there is one. The international conditions reflect this domestic condition.
Income disparity may be the source of backlash, but these people have no one but themselves to blame. They preferred the culture war, and they got it, while the 1% used their capital to replace labor. Backlash? as if someone did it to them? They should kick themselves.
@@gordoncheswick4169 America is bankrupt. The middle class is destroyed. Millions of formerly prosperous people are losing their homes. All for the sake of trannies and random brown people who hate us. The despicable ruling class which stole elections, racially abused white people, and imposed criminal laws forcing companies to discriminate against us are in for the biggest reckoning in human history.
@ You are even more in this conversation than you think, precisely because of what you just reminded us. Women (in my personal opinion) are not men enemy, rather our most important ally.
Canada here. Total aside. David Frum’s mother was a very bright CBC evening host of the a program called As It Happens where she interviewed people from all over the world. She was also very beautiful. If you want to listen to an hilarious interview, look for The world’s biggest cabbage. You will not regret it.
Yeah yeah yeah. Barbara was great. And if one doesnt know about david’s past , its kinda like not knowing trump before the apprentice , only kinda , i know. But david is going pretty American conservative it seems. Mom would b rolling in her grave
@@clarkpalaceShe definitely would be. Her son is completely unable to understand the plight of the working class and is smug about it at the same time. The reason migration is an issue globally is because people everywhere are struggling, not because “rich” migrants want more. Geez. Sad to listen to him if you remember his mother, and even if you don’t. Overconfident and blind.
@6:04 What the heck is he talking about? Paying money to a trafficker as a sign of global prosperity? I completely disagree with that. It's not prosperity; it's desperation. No one willingly hands over money to a trafficker unless they are in a situation so dire that they feel they have no other option. Desperation, not prosperity, drives people to take such dangerous and extreme steps. And let’s be clear: the people who end up in these situations aren’t coming with any great talents or skills to contribute to their new country. If they had the proper education or qualifications, they’d be entering the country through legitimate work visas, not risking everything with traffickers.
A man living in El Salvador has $30k sitting around to buy a ticket to the US? If someone in any Central American country has 30k he ain’t going nowhere.
The killer of society is the "zero hour contract". Zero commitment from the employer. 24/7 commitment from the employee to be on call for a minimum wage.
Always good to hear intelligent conversation between two intelligent people. However, it only underscores the reality that we have a mobster in charge of the most powerful nation in the world. Though we don't always get it right Frum is absolutely correct that our power and persuasion is in direct correlation to our adhesion to our constitution. To say that we're in for a constitutional crisis is an understatement. Our constitution has always been fragile and four years is plenty of time for the right people in the right positions of power to relegate it to mere words on paper.
As a Canadian, I see the hardship America is going through but the positive, north of your border, it has rallied Canadians to force our governments to fix our issues that over the years, and if blame can be handed out, all political parties that have held office the past 50 years and have neglected, will be forefront of any election debate. I feel what is going on in the US has woken up it's allies to the fact the US issues affect us even more than we imagined and we are now preparing to be a formidable force to bullies whether they be "friendly" or not so friendly. The True North Strong and Free.
Now it is a matter of life and death in some areas that have dangerous heat, like Florida, Texas and Arizona to name a few. I understand your point, people were more frugal and making do with what they could afford.
Walter Issacson at 2:54 is absolutely correct in that the wealth America gained from free trade was absolutely NOT shared equally amongst Americans. Now the reason for that is because American labor has no pricing power. As a consequence, since 1980, productivity gains have outstripped labor's income gains. This siphons money from the middle & working classes to the rich (over 44 years now). The rich turn around and buy investments in the things the middle class needs: housing, medicine, & education. This creates asset bubbles & further prices the middle class out of the kind of living that we once thought "made America great." The FACT is that America can shift away from manufacturing to compete in the areas it's truly great at (vs other nations) WHILE STILL PAYING ITS WORKERS FOR THEIR PRODUCTIVITY GAINS! America has a poor labor pricing power problem - and we can promote strong allies or be predatory bullies to them - but none of these changes will solve the problem of labor's pricing power.
Frum seems to be saying to Americans: "Hey! Stop complaining, We're better off than ever!" Americans aren't buying it . . . which is why they voted for Trump. Frum is a conservative, but he hews to the corporate Democrats' line that billionaire oligarchs are the future for this country.
he does seem oblivious to serious issues in the economy and the environment...not to mention the things people lack that prevent enjoyment of a truly free life...such as publicly funded quality health care and education for all...just providing and maintaining these two basic things....maybe also keep the bankers and rich investors from buying up all the housing and many services small businesses used to supply in their communities; when the few buy up everything they drive prices up and kill competition and freedom... lawlessness will not correct any of these issues...nor will greed or inequality
It's the Democrats with the billionaire oligarchs?? Gee don't we have a billionaire president that had the silicon valley billionaires fund his campaign ?? Get a clue
Frum is a bloodthirsty warmongering neoconservative and that's why he hates trump. Trump is not interested in getting us into any more wars. That's what he showed in the first term hopefully in the second as well.
What reality are you living in? Trump's cabinet picks are worth a combined $340 billion and Trump himself is a billionaire. For comparison, Biden's cabinet is worth a combined $118 million. But never let facts get in the way of a good story, right?
@11.20 when he said invading Iraq and Afghanistan was about trying to bring security to those countries, I stopped listening. Unbelievably naive, this guy.
Ya, the military industrial complex was bringing democracy to the world through its 800 bases. He came dangerously close to losing me completely on that point as well. But I kept on until I found many other points that I am very hesitant to agree with. Mr. Frum needs enter a debate with John Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Saches, Noam Chomsky or the likes.
The US gave these countries a chance to reform their countries. Iraq is at least no longer a threat to other countries. In Afghanistan, the men just decided they liked the part of radical Islam that said they could have the women as slaves, instead of creating a modern country. Not the fault of the US.
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With respect to Mr. Frum, according to a recent comment from Bernie Sanders, average workers in the US make less money than they did 50 years ago after adjusting for inflation. The sentiment expressed by Mr. Frum is part of the blindness that many Beltway democrats exhibit: "the economy is better for everyone!" The rich are much richer and the poor and middle class have remained the same or are slightly worse off. It cant be rationalized away. At least not successfully.
Capital is the cross border flow that causes structural insecurity, whereas ideas are the cross border flow that causes ‘stress’ and anxiety. People, or immigration are targeted because conservatives are incapable of attributing responsibility to systems or structures, and always blame an agent or scapegoat. The globalization of capital is the problem, not the poorest and most vulnerable humans.
Central to everything is that the vast majority of Americans have not benefitted from the incredible wealth and success that the US has achieved. The key reason for this is that companies in the US are considered citizens and the government exists to serve them. So when any kind of decisions are made the rights of corporations in the constitution are prioritised because not only are corporations protected by the highest laws they also have the resources to directly influence decisions. So organisations can lobby/bribe/blackmail the US government but they can also manipulate the media to influence people to act against their own interests. Tariffs with Trump being the greatest example- what a disaster, another regressive indirect tax on US citizens so it can prop up local companies.
There are many facets by which to view wealth disparity. One in particular is the contrast between my depression era parents spending habits and those of today’s poor. Did my parents live within their means? As best they could and they struggled to watch every penny. They delayed all manner of gratification so not to pay interest on debt. There were no new expensive cars on credit. There were no thousands of dollars spent on tattoos. Many people I see out in America today have no concept of a budget. So I am saying this should not be ignored no matter the divide in wealth in America.
Yes & the only key is Education. Educate on finances, on spending, on social responsibility, on budgets, on morality, on common sense. EDUCATE
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To try and contrast the 1930’s depression era generation, which included my parents, with the current day economic situation of 20 to 40 years old workers, as a lack of financial discipline and education, is a vast over simplification of current conditions. We are instead rapidly approaching the same inflection point, vis a vis counter productive financial deregulation and regressive tax policies that created the same kind of conditions that triggered the Great Depression. The last 45 years have been another Gilded Age, with far too much capital concentrated in too few hands that would seem to have no other outcome but to end with a similar collapse.
WISE WORDS: "The United States is strong because it is trusted. The United States is strong because it has friends. If you become just another big empire....people may fear you, but they won't respect you, they won't trust you." What is the result of all this? Will other countries not cooperate, obstruct and resist? I would and a past United States would too. We only have ourselves to blame.
Mr. Frum makes some interesting points, but passes over or distorts many others. Not recognizing the expansionist Nato under the US as the cause of the Ukrainian War does not stand up in much of the non-US/West world. And history will not be on the US side here. Not giving any recognition of the destructive actions of the US (MIC right from Vietnam through to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and many others) is a huge blind spot in the US. I’d like to see Mr. Frum debate with other (mostly non-American perhaps) authorities on the subjects he addressed. I suspect that quite a few of his points wouldn’t stand up.
"Could become a global bully..." Me: ROTFL, it has been a bully ever since its inception. Only the targets differed over time. First object of desire were the territories of their neighbors, or did anybody forget?
A visitor from the Twilight Zone. "David Frum, the George W. Bush speechwriter best known for placing Iraq as part of a nonexistent “Axis of Evil” with Iran and North Korea, made a similar assessment. “What the U.S. did in Iraq was not an act of unprovoked aggression,” Frum insists in the Atlantic, before pointing to “battlefield victories,” “economic benefits,” and that “thanks to the U.S. intervention, the country has for the first time in its independent history a political system that is in some measure accountable to its people,” as upsides to these human costs. Thanks to Bush’s war, Iraqis “have gained a chance,” he concludes".
What older Americans fail to realize is the world of the 1950s is over and NEVER coming back unless there is a third world war and we emerge victorious. We enjoyed that brief moment of history in which 1 man could go to work and support his family of 5 on a factory pension because all the economies of the countries in Europe had been destroyed in the war. We were the only players left with an economy and infrastructure completely intact. We produced for the world at that time because of these very unique events. This situation can not be revived with tariffs. Even if we reshored manufacturing, who is going to by our shit when they can get the same thing 10 times cheaper from China, India or Vietnam. The reality is most of the developing world cannot afford our products. This leaves Europe, and they are not fixing to buy from a country whose leader is basically extorting them for money.
Life now in America is ruin. There is no more "Dream." It's about survival on the rat tread mill. Yeah. ELON MUSK has two hundred billions. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DWINDLING MIDDLE CLASS? Meanwhile, can your family afford to make the car payment, pay the rent and afford groceries??? NOPE. THIS HOUSE OF CARDS IS CRASHING IN 2025.
Are you kidding, you're asking Frum a known neocon and supporter of the military industrial complex and someone who is accepting of curtailing free speech what concerns we should have about Trump. Give a heads a shake.
I cannot take your comment seriously since it is obvious you have terrible grammar and cannot spell so I feel much more confident in the views of Frum over someone who is not literate and spends to much time throwing around slogans and cliches
@@robertriteman3227 "You oppose war crimes and killing millions of people? HAHA, you made a typo, so I'm going with the war criminal." By the way, you made several mistakes yourself. You missed a comma after 'seriously'. 'So' should be the start of a new sentence or at least a comma. You also misspelled 'too'.
Sadly for you I did not but clearly that is the best you can do since it is obvious that even you know that you are failing in lif and will continue to do so . This is why your Uber passengers will continue to give you low scores @@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590
Spoken like a true member of the establishment. Mr. from is a perfect example of why the establishment will continue to lose credibility and acceptance. He is wrong on so many levels. I suspect that he knows the truth, and he won’t say it because he’ll lose his access.
Provocation from the likes of DF are of value IF they provoke thoughts about the points he makes. There are a few grains mixed with his chaff. It's encouraging to read discernment in the comments.
This dude is gaslighting the audience to the power of 10. I grew up in Tucson Arizona and the migrating people coming across the border do so out of desperation because most(most aren't even from Mexico) were displaced do to mostly US economic, political and climate desperation. Then I joined the navy and lived in sicily, Italy for over three years I saw the same thing regarding migration from Africa into Europe. None of those people had any material possessions on them, let alone the economic freedom to just move because the grass is greener over here. Then I was stationed on an amphibious LPD ship out of Mayport, Florida. We did a deployment in the Mediterranean sea and I got to see the rafts and makeshift boats full of absolutely desperate people coming from Libya! I guess Don't believe my lying eyes. He said he wouldn't give the stats, more than likely because he doesn't have any. More status quo BS!
Liar. Guess you didn't see how the bad actors in the world started to come to the table THE DAY AFTER TRUMP WAS ELECTED. AGAIN. BY POPULAR AND ELECTORAL VOTE. Suck it, loser.
Couldn't listen to this man blabber on about how great things are and have been for Americans. He's looking at his stock porfolio and his own personal prosperity, not at the reality that the 99% or lower 90% of we the people of the US, the working class have been enduring so the rich get richer and say all is well as they walk by the growing homeless population in our nation. He is divorced from the reality of the exploitation we face, the lack of affordable housing, the high cost of living while incomes have remained stagnant. He is looking only at the profits of big business which they refuse to share with their workers. He can take his lies and propaganda elsewhere, not buying it.
So what if he is looking at his stock portfolio? You should be looking at fixing your own circumstances and not feeling envious that you have been left behind in your socialism mindset.
You voted for it. Or maybe you were one of the 90 million who sat out this last election. Or maybe naive enough to have believed someone like Trump who will only double down on the plundering.
Also, where powerful strongman governments were willing to help out with muscling down any resistance to setting up new factories, brushing aside health and environmental regulations etc. China and Brazil are cases in point here.
The people of the USA (I don't call them "Americans" because the USA comprises less than a quarter of the two American continents) are hooked up to a drip-feed of jingoistic and corporate bullshit that makes them believe they live in "the land of the free" and "the greatest country on earth," despite plentiful evidence to the contrary, e.g. that it ranks very low on the UN's list of countries with the best quality of life. There was a Soviet dissident in the seventies who said, "Soviets and Americans are subjected to equal amounts of propaganda. The difference is, Americans believe theirs." And so they remain in a state of delusion, thinking they can fulfil "the American Dream." (It's called "the American Dream" because you have to be asleep to believe it"---George Carlin.)
No one stole American jobs. American businesses outsourced ontheir own choice.
Exactly
Yep!
That's right. But just realize that red America preferred to prosecute the culture war rather than work with liberals who wanted to increase wages, defend unions, provide healthcare, fund public schools etc.
The country got wealthy but the workers got poor from free trade.
And American people bought the stuff
I’ll make it simple. Where ever you live, you need a living wage. This social contract was broken for the vast majority of people. Most people don’t want to move or be deprived of a dignified life. Wealth concentrated at the top does not equal prosperity.
What the hell the USA is responsible for everyone?
SO OPEN UP THE FLOODGATES F U
This. Right here. There might be more wealth than ever, but the wealth has not translated to the middle class.
Who is the Svengali to tell you what that number is? And it it the same in San Francisco as Dubuque Iowa? Need a sliding scale maybe? Sounds pretty complicated.
Wealth concentrated at the top does not equal prosperity, but people all over the world live happily in conditions "without a living wage" as defined by a bunch of wealthy or upper-middle class Americans. Raising wages only results in employers and retailers raising their prices. That's exactly what has happened in the USA.
I am very educated but as a counselor and social worker I spent most of my life working with people who were not. I have watched them slip into greater and greater poverty. This talk appeals to my educated side, but feels out of touch with what more and more people, especially those in Gen Z feel, about the economy that is not serving them well. With often 1/2 of your paycheck going to rent and having to work two jobs to keep your head above water just to live paycheck to paycheck, you feel like we are sliding back behind parents and grandparents who could afford homes and FOOD, let alone take a break for a weekend off. He seems out of touch to me. This is why I feel Democrats have been losing. Too much in their heads. I get it. I love to be in my head. But I am grateful I am often out of my bubble into boots on the ground and the realities of more and more Americans that he is NOT talking about.
So much for Regan’s “TRICKLE DOWN”
And Carter letting go of wage/price controls.
And Bush's bailouts.
And Clinton's NAFTA, "third way" centrists, and WTO neoliberalism.
And Bush Jr's and Obama's epic bailout.
etc.
yep, trickle down a farce.
Trickle up defying gravity. The rich can buy everything. What's the good of being rich if you can't lord it over the poor?
Trickle down is a golden shower which the oligarchs rain on the rest of us.
@@cpamfly6858 Along with the rising tides raising all boats: yachts for the elite, Cajun Navy for the rest of us when disaster strikes.
"US could become a global bully" Let me re-state that for you: "could become an even worse bully than it already is"
Bully? Everyone want to live in America
Not Europeans. I was there. 5 countries. Asked them if they'd trade their citizenship. Said they'd never give up their health care. Nor their safety. Nor their public transportation
Nor would Canadians.
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@lupus7194 😢sadly, I agree.
Our nation in SOME ways is an amazing country…BUT there is so much more we could be doing better, not only for equitable health care, but equitable education, housing, nutrition.
We’ve lost touch. The disparities between the poorest & wealthiest is astronomical and getting worse.
@@WesternPatriot-v8m Don't kid yourself son. I was going to say you're becoming a joke, but you're already there.
@@WesternPatriot-v8m 😂😂😂😂😂
Real wages stagnated the last 30 years for all Americans except the very top. All that great wealth that has been generated during that period went almost exclusively to the top. That's just a fact.
Enough with the gaslighting already.
So why do Americans continue to elect the top then? A billionaire president with a billionaire side kick in Musk? Last time he was in office he shifted more money to the 1% than anyone else with crazy tax breaks to multinational corporations. When America was considered great.. say the 1950's there was substantial taxes on the rich and the middle class thrived.
But that is a different argument. That is what we have to deal with through our own American Law. Do something. But you can’t do it alone. It takes a movement which takes a group which takes work. And you can vote …..and the electoral college is a hindrance.
great post!! Dont forget Frum is also part of the group that got america into the Iraq War. He belongs in a jail cell for treason.
30 ? No, going on 45 years since Reagan.
Go stay in America don’t come to your countries
Sometimes, often, the lack of insight by the American ruling class is jaw dropping.
They just don't care. Its not a matter of lack of insight. It's utter contempt and disinctrests.
@@granthurlburt4062 Yes, and a feeling of entitlement. After the end of the (first) Cold War in 1990, American elites felt that they, and they alone, had "won the Cold War" (they had already learnt to feel the same way, or almost, about victory in WW2 - the only ones they really wanted to admit sharing that laurel with were Britain and Canada) and thereby had inherited stewardship of the entire world. I think this smug conviction that the unipolar era had finally arrived is part of the reason for the blatant carelessness of US foreign policy and diplomacy in this century.
That lack of insight is from the "ruling class" and the upper-middle class as well.
Armin Navabi on atheist republic does better analysis if you looking for that - unfortunately islamists and woke and fascists do not really understand liberal secular democracy.
@@louise_rose Their sense of entitlement comes from securing ownership of the legislators, funded by their tax exemption. While simultaneously escalating the use of the public's tax funds, to "bail out" their failures.
What about the massive income inequality gap since the 1980s? A rising tide DID NOT lift all boats.
Exactly; Frum never mentions increasing inequity. He presents no data. Just arm waiving.
You're right --- income inequality did not come up in this conversation. Neither speaker addressed the unfair US tax system and massive breaks given to corporations and the super rich.
Tell that to the Reaganites. Trickle down didn't work so well, did it?
It ALL Started under RONALD REAGAN!!!! He Sold Out to GE and became Pro BUSINESS and ANTI Worker, Anti Union!! He is NOT The "GREAT" President people think he was!!!
As most people don't have boats.
Frum is missing an important reality of American life. In my county, a tiny studio apartment rents for $1600. This means a $20/hour worker puts in two weeks pay just to pay rent. When I was a youngster, the rule was “25% to housing, no more” to be able to cover bills and have a hope of some savings. Young people don’t get married, don’t have kids, don’t have needed medical and dental work because they CAN’T AFFORD IT. Please don’t tell us how “rich” we are as a nation. That’s turning a blind eye to life as lived by millions.
Exactly the same in Canada now. Some young people are living with their parents longer because they can’t afford the current rents. 😢
America is very rich. Just most of the people are not. That’s the difference. We have more rich people than other countries. Doesn’t put food on the table for most of us, but it’s a statistic. We have more people screwing over the rest of the population than other countries! Aw capitalism. The shittiest products, health care, services, everything, but those stocks keep going up!
Same in the major cities of the UK. But in the UK and Canada, we have universal free healthcare. There are riches in all three countries, for sure. But the billionaires need more money. So for the vast majority, things are only getting worse.
That is because 5 billionaires in the USA have bought 35% of family homes. They then raised prices of rent continuing to be raised. This is the greed of corporations.
@@judibill72immigration movements to the West helped worsen the problem... US, EU, Canada, Australia, UK are all having the same problems!
The degree of socio-economic inequality that exists today is staggering. A slow motion coup d'etat by the corporate class was accomplished by the overarching influence of money, by and for private elites, via the servility of public elites. Follow the money. There are oceans of money. Who's got it and who overlords its distribution: the capitalist class or the working class? The primacy of this question dwarfs all others.
America is lonely now. America as the world's largest economy and military for decades could have made the world a better place. Rather it went paranoid. It chose bullying, threats, conflict creation, unwise covert regime changes to protect its stance. Now the world has lost respect for America and is trying to find its own way. America could have chosen peace, cooperation, honest mediation etc.
Nonsense. Reads like something out of Putin's Ministry of Rubbish. Long on conclusory generalizations and utterly lacking in specifics.
The real problem now is Trump, an American fascist. None of the stuff you mentioned have been the problem that Trump is.
@jim2376 if you knew a bit of history you would have been aware of the long long list of specifics. Too long a list to include in a comment.
Why don't you go give Nuland a pedicure?@@jim2376
@modireli1318 You're making an excuse because YOU have no specifics, just your unsupported opinions.
Where in the hell has David Frum been living. We working people have been left behind, we are talking about jobs that once could provide a family with a house, car, food, clothes, vacations, educations, sometimes a second home and by the way much of the time it was one income households, these people were factory workers, carpenters, laborers, truck drivers, hell shoe salesmen could raise a family!!!
Nobody will convince me that the wealth gap hasn’t been growing for decades and our standard of living continues to deteriorate every year. This is the biggest problem in society, families aren’t even the same, lives are crazier, faster and family members are all going in different directions.
Things are totally different and not for the better Mr. FRUM, don’t make excuses!!
Yeah, and the only party that’s been trying to make an effort to get you that have always been the Dems. But people chose Trump the destroyer instead.
Exactly! My father was a union carpenter in the 50s 60s and early70s. One income, 4 kids, a modest house and a decent car. My husband was a pharmacist and I was a clinical laboratory scientist. Our 2 fulltime combined incomes that provided for 2 kids a modest house and 2 decent cars. Now my kids generation cannot afford a house, one kid and her children still live with me and the other rents a room.
I'm thinking Al Bundy raising Peg - his devoted wife, and two ungrateful kids, as a shoe salesman.
If you can't dazzle them brilliance , baffle them with bullshit .
@@abbush2921 Frum is very good at BS.
As a Canadian I consider President George Bush to be a criminal for attacking Iraq without just cause. Saddam Hussein was a criminal but two wrongs don't make a right. When Canada, which was in on going into Afghanistan due to 9/11 with the US, said it would not go into Iraq, Mr. Bush said' you are with us or against us'. Canada said basically said then I guess we are against you.
The US gave Iraq a chance to create a better country. Similarly for Afghanistan.
Years later, people still call for the US to intervene in broken countries like Haiti, Sudan, Venezuela, etc. You can't have it both ways, people.
@@MB-xe8bb No other nations called for the Iraq intervention. The power void, counter insurgents, and Isis killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. With all respect for the veterans who served there, it was a misuse of the military by any measure.
@@MB-xe8bbNo but bad US policy doesn’t make ally’s have to support bad decisions…that’s the real point!
@@MB-xe8bbU.S never intervene for other... until they find their own interest. Even in 39-45, it tooks 2 years before getting involved. And as of today it is still the case... "me, myself and I" is the population leitmotiv.
You are 100% correct. Bush, another huge embarrassment, was as dumb as a box of hammers and knew he was lying when we went in. Canada was right when your assistant prime minister said he was a moron, and smart to not join the war against Iraq.
Become a global bully? We have been for decades
You’re missing the point. Global defender of democracy has not been a global bully.
American bullying is nothing new.
Israel runs the usa
@@brendanobern7403absolutely
@@TheHighlanderprimelol defender of democracy, except in Iran, Latin America, India, etc
NO, Mr. Frum. You're evading the truth.
Sixty years ago, a single wage earner, in a blue collar job, could earn enough to support a family, including owning a house, buying a car, perhaps two cars.
That wage earner had health insurance through employment that eventually paid up to 80% of most medical expenses, although for some reason our ears and teeth were left out of the bargain.
That wage earner had actual vacation time and was able to take it without any fear of retaliation from their management.
And that wage earner was able to retire, and live decently, with a pension in most cases, and social security. And later, Medicare.
That wage earner's kids went to good schools where they got solid educations that didn't include active shooter drills. If those kids wanted to go to college, college was affordable. And state schools, land grant universities, were excellent.
That is not the life a working class wage earner can look forward to today. That America was real, and it was destroyed. Intentionally. By American politicians. Starting with the illegal union busting by Ronald Reagan.
After WW2 there were no factories left in Europe. Things were manufactured in America because there were factories available. This boom lasted for decades until Europe rebuilt. Those jobs aren’t coming back.
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@@CarlGerhardt1Regardless there is veracity in that statement.
Not even ivanka clothes are made here
Overstated BS. While the Marshall Plan was a win-win for the US and western Europe, it's not as if all factories and all communications infrastructure in Europe had been razed to the ground by WW2. The "you gotta buy your industrial stuff from the US" boom was over by the mid-to-late fifties..
@@CarlGerhardt1 WTF?
The guy who worked for George W. Bush unironically saying that Trump could make America a bully.
After WWII, the United States was the only manufacturing country that wasn't bombed to pieces. So, in 1955 the white American guy could fumble his way through high school and get a great union manufacturing job because there wasn't any foreign competition to speak of. By the seventies, Japan and Germany had rebuilt their industries and started to compete. That white guy from 1955 since then has had to deal with competition from foreign manufacturing workers, minorities, women, computers, robots, labor-saving manufacturing and construction machinery that has been developed since 1955, so he doesn't have a monopoly on manufacturing labor, so he isn't worth as much in real purchasing power. Nobody can change that. So, the corporations can be doing well without the workers doing well.
Not true Canada was also not bombed
United States funded Japan & Germany rebuilding under the Marshall plan with lunch box crowd taxes.
It was the US Corporate crowd who wanted to produced poor quality product, not the US worker.
Boeing corporate management is the prime example of poor quality, Greed over quality
Canada was in that unbombed industrialised position too.
@@lorrainesherred6458 EoS
Interesting that Frum leaves out the incredible income inequality in the US and in other wealthy nations...
It is mainly the case in the US. Rare in other countries.
Actually, there is a lot of inequality elsewhere, too, but in EU you don't feel it so much bc average people get a decent wage (not to mention health care and other social programs).
@@granthurlburt4062 Nope, same in Canada.
Creeping socialism tends to do that as more and more people choose not to work.
@@granthurlburt4062 Nonsense
@@jeffspicolli593 What is creeping socialism? You make it sound like the government supports folks who choose not to work. In the province of Ontario the maximum welfare benefit for a single adult is $733 per month. Who is choosing that?
As the great Bill Maher once said,"our schools are crumbling and we want to teach everybody else a lesson?"
How could anyone expect a parent to let their child go to prison when they have a power to stop it? Ridiculous.
Considering that a 34-count convicted felon with an agenda for retribution just got elected to the presidency...
If that child was guilty as sin, I'd take them there myself. Nepotism is never a reason for injustice. Quite the opposite. Time was when people held their children to a higher standard of behavior than normal, instead of none at all. Nepotism (or any kind of 'mine first' behavior) is the worst form of tribalism. Oh, I completely understand why it is that way. It's still basic primates. It's why we rule by law not by hearts. And President's (or any elected officials) should be the best of us and be held to the highest standards. Not the lowest common denominator. Look at what the Royal Family has done with Andrew. Ostracized. But when you allow your children's terrible behavior to cause your own in mirror, you'd failed as a parent and as a person. Or in this case, as a President.
Especially when there's a chance they could be Epstein'd or Cohen'd
Of all the things I care about, Biden pardoning his son is almost dead last. Dead last is what Patrick Mahomes and Taylor Swift are doing. Hunter Biden lied in order to buy a gun (probably the most American thing ever). The January 6th people did their best to destroy democracy. Not terribly comparable, eh?
When one criticizes someone else for NOT obeying the rule of law, even though he has the power to pardon, the optics speak OTHERWISE! So NOT SO RIDICULOUS! Frankly, I think Hunter IS guilty! He certainly does n't have experience with extracting and distributing methane!
Sometimes David Frum is just an idiot. Income inequality has exploded, it's real, it makes working class people available to fascist appeals, and he just ignores it.
It's the middle class that vote for fascists, not the working class. They love income inequality because it means they can buy more stuff like a rich person would.
@@OneLine122 the middle class didn't lose their jobs to unfree Chinese labour. Thanks, neoliberalism.
So you think Trump is going to be the savior to reduce income inequality?
@@RK-rd4ll ha ha ha fuck no!
No Frum points out we are wealthier than we used to be
The amazing thing is that Smith is Premier of Alberta. No obvious skills. Full of anger. Picks phony fights. Calls names. There's no Team Canada in Smith. Love the way she hovers over her Ministers at news conferences like a helicopter Mom making sure they say the right things.
The stagnation of wealth the middle and working classes have experienced over the past 45 years is the motivator for those groups. The Billionaire-Class has massively increased their wealth during that same period. The backlash post pandemic was primarily due to wealth regression experienced by everyday citizens in western economies. The stunning fact of the last US election is the victims of the Billionaire-Class voted for the Billionaire-Class.
Check out the book "The Price of Inequality" by Joseph Stiglitz. It's an eye-opener.
I disagree with you. Which party in this election took more money from the donor class. I am not a trumper . But Kamala took more money from corporation than rebulicans
Tax the hell out of CEOs who earn more than $10M and spread the wealth. Simple. Even Warren Buffet says so.
Their excuse is that wouldn't be enough to solve the problem... Or that would put the best CEOs away of our western enterprises... That the enterprises would leave the West... Major problem was when they started, with reaganomics, to put coorporations above the state interests, gave them so much benefits, pardon them so many faults... The echo of US economic "rules" started to spread in Europe, Canada, etc... Now is what we have... 😪
Frum is a lapdog for oligarchs who actually believe American workers are overcompensated.
Both are right. We are the economic envy of the world; however, that prosperity did not trickle down to the average American.
That’s not why they voted for Trump. Ignorance and gullibility have been though.
nope
Spot on!
You are so right on. It’s the riches country in the world ‘’ FOR THE RICH ‘’.
@@sustainablelivingnl773a society will not prosper in the long run if a small arrogant oligarchy keeps looting it. For a period people might believe the delusions they are fed with, but when hunger knocks on the door, there will probably be played a different tune.
Stop treating us like we are stupid. I was a mechanic in the late 70's until the early eighties. My compensation was 50% of the dealerships 16 dollars per flat rate hour. When I left after seeing the writing on the wall, I was getting 12.50 of a 32 dollars per flat rate hour. The flat rate hour doubled in less than a decade. Do you see what didn't double? Today dealerships get anywhere from 150 dollars per flat rate hour to 300 dollars per flat rate hour using a sliding scale. Average mechanic pay in Oklahoma today is 20-28 dollars per flat rate hour. Can you really not see the problem? Seriously. Today's statistics show that blue collar workers across the board are paid less than 50 dollars per hour. CAN YOU REALLY NOT SEE THE PROBLEM? SERIOUSLY!
We, the people are smarter/intelligent than these liars.
Mr. Frum, the American invasion of Iraq in 2003 was an unjustifiable act of military aggression, no different from Mussolini’s invasion of Ethiopia in 1935, or Hitler’s invasion of Poland in 1939. Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11, and was not a threat to the United States. In fact, it was a bulwark against Iran, America’s principal enemy in the region.
The invasion was the result of a hare-brained scheme hatched by neocons led by Dick Cheney. They, with typical American arrogance and ignorance, thought they could march into Iraq, be welcomed as liberators, establish a puppet state, and then use it to subvert or overthrow hostile regimes in the area, particularly Iran and Syria. Of course it backfired horribly. It descended into chaos (when you remove a dictator from a country that’s hopelessly disunited, it’s like taking the lid off a pressure cooker…hot scalding liquid spews in every direction). The Iranians, America’s real enemy, used the chaos to establish themselves as a dominant power player in Iraq. It’s disgraceful for Frum to try to justify the invasion of Iraq.
Frum speaks, but his words are not reality-based. He justifies without deep insight and does not have a robust view of the history of nations. Be mindful in these days of invading other nations, nations that are non-English speaking; different religions; different history & heritage. Be mindful of what you do and how you do it. I disagree with Frum - the World will never trust America again - as was the case BEFORE DONALD SHOWED UP. DONALD Swaggers as a Bully and a Dictator. HE doesn't do the actual bullying - he announces what he wants to do. Then he gives others the order to do the bullying. Don likes chaos to break things. He picks his bullys.
Every Empire dies - from within!, from excesses of the Emperor, from another Empire. In the past, it was a younger Empire growing to fulfill the emperor's aspiration to be better, bigger than all. NOW, today, the frailty of national survival is predicated on Nuclear weapons self-assured Mutual Destruction.
Destruction timed within 70 minutes.
Unless suicidal, no one wants to nuke the world - the weapons intimidate - but the catastrophic outcomes will be world-wide radiation contamination; nuclear winter; massive numbers of humans dead from all nations - not just from the warring nations; the destruction of the Earth, its flora and fauna; scores of years living underground - to grow food, etc.; limited above ground scavenging when radiation drops. (TODAY, December 2024 - result of Chernobyl Nuclear Plant melt-down in Ukraine- any one walking on Chernobyl ground can only do that walk for 30 minutes - as radiation there will be dangerous for the human body.)
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If a Govt stage WMD Hoax
▪︎Govt can't stage Terrorist Attack
▪︎To manufacture justification,consent
▪︎For Genocide,Occupation?
1 Osama bin Laden’s goal was to get American troops out of Saudi Arabia. Hence 9/11. When it became clear that members of the Saudi royal family were funding him, the US recognised they would have to remove their troops. But the troops were there to deter Saddam Hussein who had a habit of invading his oil producing neighbours and was considered a threat to global economic stability (via his ambition to obtain nuclear weapons and control Middle Eastern oil).
2 During the first gulf war Bush snr told the Iraqis if they rose up against Saddam America would help them. So they did. 15 out of the 18 provinces rose up, took over their local government offices and waited for the Americans. Who didn’t come because Bush decided not to exceed his UN mandate. And when the soldiers got back from Kuwait they were slaughtered.
I don't think it backfired at all. It succeeeded in the way it was supposed to. As a military state, the US needs fear to justify its miltary rule. For that it needs chaos.
There were mutterings not so long ago to get ICC to prosecute Bush and Blair for their part in the massacre of so many civilians during the Iraq war.
speaking as a non American, we have a lot of respect for America. But now that Trump has been re-elected there is no patience with you. I do not think any country is going to try and appease this crazy man. If our countries suffer because of Trumps stupid policies then be it.
Yes he is an idiot. At the same time the previous leaders have not been so stellar either You could say we are on a roll. I hated Obama's international moves for example, even if he was a polished orator, he was and is stupid and uneducated. Well, not sure how to do this, but I apologize for things I have no control over. In reality, I am extremely sure that we are in dire need of ridding our government of broad and deep corruption labeled as either lobbying or campaign contributions. It is corruption plain and simple and Trump bought this election just as previous men did the same. We need to rise up and say enough is enough.
I’m from America, and I agree with you. I can’t believe that we have become a Trump nation and it’s embarrassing, he has caused so much animosity. Hope things are better where you’re at
@@10-4-q6i Yes and no. I am in western Canada. It is nice here but we have our problems like you , although on a lesser scale. I hope American can keep this man under control. My worry besides the economy is that he will pass the dictatorship to his stupid sons.
@@JohnDoe-tw8es yep, there is always another one waiting on deck, greetings from Nebraska
Well I am sn American and I have no respect for America. I am totally embarrassed that my fellow countryman would put this piece of #**# back in the White House.
“Could become” a global bully? We have been for some time no?
Mr. Frum forgot to mention one big thing: income distribution of this vastly wealthier economy. Just because the economy got bigger is meaningless to most people unless the income inequality does not get worse. The problem is that income inequality did get worse in the last forty years. Adjusted for inflation, the middle and working class had seen no economic improvement in the last forty years.
You will never fix income inequality. Live with it, fix it for yourself, and never expect someone else to fix it for you.
I totally disaggree with his assertion that the woeking class has not been left behind. He doesn't mention the declining GNP in the US. Nor doea he mention the ever growing gap between the wealthy and the poor.
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If a Politician claims
▪︎To be Christian/Jewish
▪︎Yet supports Usury/Interest Banking
▪︎Real or Fake?
You don’t remember how little people survived on fifty or further back to eighty or one hundred years then.
The land of stupid always disappoints.
Enough with the whining from the American lower classes. Spending and shopping over Black Friday was at an all-time high. And you just voted to have your health care taken away from you.
Good point, certainly not everyone was Black Friday shopping but a huge number did, along with shopping on line and traveling in huge numbers for Thanksgiving. So I think Frum has very good points I also believe this is more than about money and wealth it is about men reclaiming their status. Maga politics is fundamentally sexual politics it is about the roll of the man in the world and the US. They want to re domicile the kind of production that increases the value of Male labour to rebalance the sexual economy of the US. A lot of what Magas are is about restoring the scarcity of male labour and depressing the value of female labour to right the balances of the sexes for the accepted ideological families that Christian nationalists want. A Very Repressive reactionary project which is very scary for women, for their right to choose, ability to get educated, work and even vote.
stores sales were at all times highs. People from all over the world buy from US stores during black friday HENCE the sales numbers. thats why store sales were crap but online sales are always high.
Okay lol
ALL of that!! 💯👍
The whining also bothers me. Instead of this binge of consuming the latest gadgets - recycle, buy at thrift stores, make your gifts, make a donation to a charity. Share a walk in a forest with your family.
America’s arrogance & ignorance is its “exceptionalism”.
but the alternative is worse - a world dominated by China!
America is exceptional, exceptionally bad at many things.
That’s a true & sad statement.
aka HUBRIS
It's not China's fault that the 1% kept 99% of the profits. This is a US wealth distribution problem, not a free trade problem.
Says a socialist wokester.
The problem is Workers wages have not kept up with productivity ! David From needs to talk to Bernie Sanders !
The problem is CENTRAL BANKING enabling GOVERNMENT SPENDING and CREDIT ISSUANCE causing INFLATION. END CENTRAL BANKING.
You stay the US is much wealthier than 50 years ago but that is not evident in real wages. Having more billionaires is not the best measure. The best measure is local capital formation and ownership.
After the fall of the Berlin wall, the USSR tripped and fell. If the USA would have offered a helping hand up at that point, the world would be a very different place. But rather than doing that, the USA used NATO to expand everywhere which caused much destabilization. When the USA suggested that Georgia join NATO, Russia pushed back. When the USA meddled in the Ukraine election circa 2013, Russia pushed back (then reclaimed Crimea) but this also started an 9-year civil war which the west ignored until it boiled over in 2022. One last point, the USA urged NATO partners, Britain and France, to take down Libya. That economy never recovered but the action did create ISIL and ISIS. Thanks for nothing, USA.
David Frum is wrong here. Workers are left behind.
And DJT gonna bring them forward?? Come on man!!!
I don't think anyone realizes yet the scale of the social and political catastrophe this election represents to everyone. At bottom, we are dealing with the triumph of the philosophy of predation and might makes right over the rule of law, a fundamental shift in government and culture. Also, its well worth mentioning the income inequality disparity which Thomas Picketty documents with geometric precision in chart after chart after chart in his book, all hard data. That played and still plays a significant role. Elite greed cutting tens of millions from the American dream. When people cant afford homes or send kids to college. And see themselves falling behind even to immigrants, that has an impact. David, maybe you ought to read Picketty's thick volume, at least some. We are in a lot of trouble. Rule of gangster law is here. The fall of Rome, that sort of thing, because of greed. That's where we are heading.
Those heavy industry jobs ain't coming back. Don't shoot the messenger.
Frum very clearly says that the primary common element in all the Western Nations experiencing a right wing shift is mass migration.
@ginzo666 yes they are 😂😂😂 you just want american workers to fail 😂😂
2:05 criticism is accurate that the general population does lose. Big business wins. The top .01% are astonishingly richer. I’m 70. My son and the children of my friends are worse off in their 30s than my friends and I were in our 30s.
What is real is that we should be doing better for our ALL of our population. Not just the US, UK, etc. wealthy nations should be helping poorer nations to truly have a rising tide really helping ALL people.
We have serious mental health issues among all our youth.
You do realize we live on a finite planet, eh? In other words, more for you means less for me and everyone else. There is no win-win in most cases.
My son and the children of my friends are worse off in their 30s than my friends and I were in our 30s.
We should start to help ourselfs in the West, because nobody will... We have to start to be more united, help each other on wherever we can, and make a real block to defend ourselfs against the axis of evil! We in the West spent the last 100 years helping our enemies to get on their feet...now they thank us with bombs, financial wars, commerce wars, and want to beat our hegemony... Wake up West!!! Our fairytale didn't work... Or you dominate or get dominated!
@@tylerdurden8378that sound aweful! There’s enough for everyone’s needs, but not for everyone’s greed.
@@jennifershanks453 Actually there isn't. If everyone in the world lived an AVERAGE American lifestyle we would need the resources of 4-5 planet Earths. Even living the average life of someone in Portugal would require more than 2.
I would suggest to Mr. Frum, a fellow Canadian, that Canada is the "City on the Hill". Canada is the most free and democratic country on earth.
Hey! Americans don't like it when you mention Canada. Where's Canada again? They think Canadians are just a bunch of pot smoking commies :-)
I don't have a problem the president pardoning his son . He was basically removed from the presidential election as a sitting president. The guy who won the election got away with horrendous things in the past and the things that he will do in the future will make that stuff look like small potatoes . Ok he lied on a gun approval process and a couple years of tax problems. Not murder and only hurt himself . Which he was good at doing to himself . Now does pardoning help his son? My brother always seemed to talk his way out of trouble . A judge would give him rehab for his addictive personality. In the end he died young from his problems . You could say if he got some serious jail time that could have been a motivator for change . Hunter may not learn but I think he has put his dad through allot and Biden took a hit for his son but it will be forgotten as he isn't on the target sheet anymore . A new person will occupy that space
Agree - Hunter's gun crime was an offence of a kind that happens tens of thousands of times a week in the US and which is hardly ever brought up for trial as a separate count - only if it's tied to other, serious and violent crimes. Hunter only kept the gun for eleven days and never fired it or aimed it at anybody. It's been blown out of proportions for political reasons and with 45 soon making a comeback to the White House, HB was more vulnerable than ever. Joe did the right thing.
Also, Trump's recent victory, while it saved him from going to trial over Jan 6 etc, will likely turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP and for the USA. Trump's own reputation, his standing as a man and a political figure, will NOT be saved by the next four years.
The blanket extends back to 2014 so not just as you said.
Joe never told his son, "No!
As others have commented here, the income/wealth disparity within the US is the real source of backlash. Globalization and all the associated labels are scapegoats, deflecting from the results of emptying the pockets of the "lower" 90% into the pockets of the "upper" 10%. Income and wealth disparity has vastly increased since Reaganomics took root and continues right now through the second iteration of a Republican administration. I'm not sure where the breaking point is. I only know, historically, that there is one. The international conditions reflect this domestic condition.
And who was an avid Reagan and Bush supporter? Canadian ex-pat, David Frum!
Income disparity may be the source of backlash, but these people have no one but themselves to blame. They preferred the culture war, and they got it, while the 1% used their capital to replace labor. Backlash? as if someone did it to them? They should kick themselves.
Then they go at vote in the biggest robber baron going
"Predatory" is a good word for it. He only cares about himself, there is no giving in him.
why dont u donate some of ur millions to the working class. put ur money where ur mouth is c-w-rd.
No. That’s narcissistic!
@@gordoncheswick4169US empire are both!
@@gordoncheswick4169 America is bankrupt. The middle class is destroyed. Millions of formerly prosperous people are losing their homes. All for the sake of trannies and random brown people who hate us. The despicable ruling class which stole elections, racially abused white people, and imposed criminal laws forcing companies to discriminate against us are in for the biggest reckoning in human history.
Wages have remained stagnant since 1970-73 and this man lectures us all that we should be happy.
Unbelievable! Our so called ‘elite’ is completely decoupled from the rest of society!!
Since I m female, I NEVER made equal income, always less than males doing the same jobs. So i m not even in this conversation!
@ You are even more in this conversation than you think, precisely because of what you just reminded us. Women (in my personal opinion) are not men enemy, rather our most important ally.
Canada here. Total aside. David Frum’s mother was a very bright CBC evening host of the a program called As It Happens where she interviewed people from all over the world. She was also very beautiful. If you want to listen to an hilarious interview, look for The world’s biggest cabbage. You will not regret it.
Her son is a neocon monster. I hope you understand that.
Yeah yeah yeah. Barbara was great. And if one doesnt know about david’s past , its kinda like not knowing trump before the apprentice , only kinda , i know. But david is going pretty American conservative it seems. Mom would b rolling in her grave
Canadian here...Barbara Frum was definitely a good CBC 'journalist'. Beautiful?
She left us way too soon. From a northern Ohioan who used to enjoy both As it Happens, it's humor, and esp Barbara Fromm.
@@clarkpalaceShe definitely would be. Her son is completely unable to understand the plight of the working class and is smug about it at the same time. The reason migration is an issue globally is because people everywhere are struggling, not because “rich” migrants want more. Geez. Sad to listen to him if you remember his mother, and even if you don’t. Overconfident and blind.
How prescient! I’m sure Canada, Denmark and Panama would agree.
After the 2024 election, I will never again underestimate American ignorance and stupidity.
@6:04 What the heck is he talking about? Paying money to a trafficker as a sign of global prosperity? I completely disagree with that. It's not prosperity; it's desperation. No one willingly hands over money to a trafficker unless they are in a situation so dire that they feel they have no other option. Desperation, not prosperity, drives people to take such dangerous and extreme steps. And let’s be clear: the people who end up in these situations aren’t coming with any great talents or skills to contribute to their new country. If they had the proper education or qualifications, they’d be entering the country through legitimate work visas, not risking everything with traffickers.
yeah the guy is lost
He is a piece of work! I’d love to see him debate Richard Sachs!
" become a bully" that's been happening for 350 years.
A man living in El Salvador has $30k sitting around to buy a ticket to the US? If someone in any Central American country has 30k he ain’t going nowhere.
The killer of society is the "zero hour contract". Zero commitment from the employer. 24/7 commitment from the employee to be on call for a minimum wage.
Always good to hear intelligent conversation between two intelligent people. However, it only underscores the reality that we have a mobster in charge of the most powerful nation in the world. Though we don't always get it right Frum is absolutely correct that our power and persuasion is in direct correlation to our adhesion to our constitution. To say that we're in for a constitutional crisis is an understatement. Our constitution has always been fragile and four years is plenty of time for the right people in the right positions of power to relegate it to mere words on paper.
It's amazing how some people insist to stay in a denial phase. World is changing but some prefer to deny it.
I would say it's more towards ignorance.
Scary, scary, and oh so true!
As a Canadian, I see the hardship America is going through but the positive, north of your border, it has rallied Canadians to force our governments to fix our issues that over the years, and if blame can be handed out, all political parties that have held office the past 50 years and have neglected, will be forefront of any election debate. I feel what is going on in the US has woken up it's allies to the fact the US issues affect us even more than we imagined and we are now preparing to be a formidable force to bullies whether they be "friendly" or not so friendly. The True North Strong and Free.
Remember when owning one single air conditioner was a luxury?
Now it is a matter of life and death in some areas that have dangerous heat, like Florida, Texas and Arizona to name a few.
I understand your point, people were more frugal and making do with what they could afford.
or a TV
We're old.
Remember when you could buy a home and raise a family on a blue-collar job?
We ARE a global bully !
Walter Issacson at 2:54 is absolutely correct in that the wealth America gained from free trade was absolutely NOT shared equally amongst Americans.
Now the reason for that is because American labor has no pricing power. As a consequence, since 1980, productivity gains have outstripped labor's income gains.
This siphons money from the middle & working classes to the rich (over 44 years now). The rich turn around and buy investments in the things the middle class needs: housing, medicine, & education. This creates asset bubbles & further prices the middle class out of the kind of living that we once thought "made America great."
The FACT is that America can shift away from manufacturing to compete in the areas it's truly great at (vs other nations) WHILE STILL PAYING ITS WORKERS FOR THEIR PRODUCTIVITY GAINS!
America has a poor labor pricing power problem - and we can promote strong allies or be predatory bullies to them - but none of these changes will solve the problem of labor's pricing power.
The only remedy is for all of us to acquire capital. We can't spend every dime. Labor alone is no longer sufficient.
4:46 "It is not true that workers have been left behind." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I nearly fell out of my seat I laughed so hard.
Become a bully?, they have been bullies for 70 years.
Security for iraq was not reason. Domination was. Read PNAC document. Bill clinton turned down request to invade iraq. Bush said yes.
Frum seems to be saying to Americans: "Hey! Stop complaining, We're better off than ever!" Americans aren't buying it . . . which is why they voted for Trump. Frum is a conservative, but he hews to the corporate Democrats' line that billionaire oligarchs are the future for this country.
he does seem oblivious to serious issues in the economy and the environment...not to mention the things people lack that prevent enjoyment of a truly free life...such as publicly funded quality health care and education for all...just providing and maintaining these two basic things....maybe also keep the bankers and rich investors from buying up all the housing and many services small businesses used to supply in their communities; when the few buy up everything they drive prices up and kill competition and freedom... lawlessness will not correct any of these issues...nor will greed or inequality
And that’s why billionaire tech moguls campaigned with, oh wait.
It's the Democrats with the billionaire oligarchs?? Gee don't we have a billionaire president that had the silicon valley billionaires fund his campaign ?? Get a clue
Frum is a bloodthirsty warmongering neoconservative and that's why he hates trump. Trump is not interested in getting us into any more wars. That's what he showed in the first term hopefully in the second as well.
What reality are you living in? Trump's cabinet picks are worth a combined $340 billion and Trump himself is a billionaire. For comparison, Biden's cabinet is worth a combined $118 million. But never let facts get in the way of a good story, right?
What is actually happening is that the US used to be very successful at being a global bully but is now old and weak.
"The US could become a global bully". LOL. The lack of self-awareness in the USA is simply astounding sometimes.
Thank you PBS for being a voice to ask the perfect questions
Shame on PBS for platforming this bloodthirsty warmongering neocon. And shame on Walter Isaacson for enabling him as well.
Thank you state media. We love you state media. You're definitely not deceiving us and distracting us from the central banking cartel!
PBS will be defunded soon
Could become a global bully? It's ALREADY A GLOBAL BULLY !
If assets/wealth were better shared, do you think there’d be so much human trafficking? So much misogyny? So much fear/anger?
Yes, because I care more about the existence of my people than money.
@@Stoddardian I'll take "things you will never hear Trump say" for 200 Alex
@11.20 when he said invading Iraq and Afghanistan was about trying to bring security to those countries, I stopped listening. Unbelievably naive, this guy.
He's not naive, he's just evil.
He's just a terrible bloodthirsty neocon. Embraced by many Democrats now. And that is shameful.
Ya, the military industrial complex was bringing democracy to the world through its 800 bases.
He came dangerously close to losing me completely on that point as well. But I kept on until I found many other points that I am very hesitant to agree with.
Mr. Frum needs enter a debate with John Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Saches, Noam Chomsky or the likes.
Yep, like Israel is bringing democracy to Gaza.
The US gave these countries a chance to reform their countries. Iraq is at least no longer a threat to other countries. In Afghanistan, the men just decided they liked the part of radical Islam that said they could have the women as slaves, instead of creating a modern country. Not the fault of the US.
Thank god for David Frum. He explains everything better than everyone else.
Advanced civilisations tend to destroy each other at the peak of their civilisation and the destruction usually comes within…. Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦
With respect to Mr. Frum, according to a recent comment from Bernie Sanders, average workers in the US make less money than they did 50 years ago after adjusting for inflation. The sentiment expressed by Mr. Frum is part of the blindness that many Beltway democrats exhibit: "the economy is better for everyone!" The rich are much richer and the poor and middle class have remained the same or are slightly worse off. It cant be rationalized away. At least not successfully.
The local employers treat the local employees like slaves. That's the problem with equality in the community.
I don't think the Syrian refugees migrating into Germany in droves are doing so aspirationally.
Nor the Venezuelans and Haitians coming to the US.
Economic prospects must certainly be a factor. If their concern were simply safety Syrian refugees would stay in Turkey.
Capital is the cross border flow that causes structural insecurity, whereas ideas are the cross border flow that causes ‘stress’ and anxiety. People, or immigration are targeted because conservatives are incapable of attributing responsibility to systems or structures, and always blame an agent or scapegoat. The globalization of capital is the problem, not the poorest and most vulnerable humans.
Always such a pleasure to listen to David open up my mind to hearing rational views I never considered. Love listening to him.
Central to everything is that the vast majority of Americans have not benefitted from the incredible wealth and success that the US has achieved. The key reason for this is that companies in the US are considered citizens and the government exists to serve them. So when any kind of decisions are made the rights of corporations in the constitution are prioritised because not only are corporations protected by the highest laws they also have the resources to directly influence decisions. So organisations can lobby/bribe/blackmail the US government but they can also manipulate the media to influence people to act against their own interests. Tariffs with Trump being the greatest example- what a disaster, another regressive indirect tax on US citizens so it can prop up local companies.
There are many facets by which to view wealth disparity. One in particular is the contrast between my depression era parents spending habits and those of today’s poor. Did my parents live within their means? As best they could and they struggled to watch every penny. They delayed all manner of gratification so not to pay interest on debt. There were no new expensive cars on credit. There were no thousands of dollars spent on tattoos. Many people I see out in America today have no concept of a budget. So I am saying this should not be ignored no matter the divide in wealth in America.
Yes & the only key is Education. Educate on finances, on spending, on social responsibility, on budgets, on morality, on common sense.
EDUCATE
To try and contrast the 1930’s depression era generation, which included my parents, with the current day economic situation of 20 to 40 years old workers, as a lack of financial discipline and education, is a vast over simplification of current conditions. We are instead rapidly approaching the same inflection point, vis a vis counter productive financial deregulation and regressive tax policies that created the same kind of conditions that triggered the Great Depression. The last 45 years have been another Gilded Age, with far too much capital concentrated in too few hands that would seem to have no other outcome but to end with a similar collapse.
WISE WORDS: "The United States is strong because it is trusted. The United States is strong because it has friends. If you become just another big empire....people may fear you, but they won't respect you, they won't trust you." What is the result of all this? Will other countries not cooperate, obstruct and resist? I would and a past United States would too. We only have ourselves to blame.
David Frum is the one who wrote: " You ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US"...
now, he should close his mouth!
He is a clown!
Ladies & gentlemen, meet the mentality that gave us Trump in the first place. Good God…
Mr. Frum makes some interesting points, but passes over or distorts many others.
Not recognizing the expansionist Nato under the US as the cause of the Ukrainian War does not stand up in much of the non-US/West world. And history will not be on the US side here.
Not giving any recognition of the destructive actions of the US (MIC right from Vietnam through to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and many others) is a huge blind spot in the US.
I’d like to see Mr. Frum debate with other (mostly non-American perhaps) authorities on the subjects he addressed. I suspect that quite a few of his points wouldn’t stand up.
This right here !
People may fear you but won't respect or trust you is very true. Thank you Mr. Frum for your insight.
"Could become a global bully..."
Me: ROTFL, it has been a bully ever since its inception. Only the targets differed over time. First object of desire were the territories of their neighbors, or did anybody forget?
A visitor from the Twilight Zone.
"David Frum, the George W. Bush speechwriter best known for placing Iraq as part of a nonexistent “Axis of Evil” with Iran and North Korea, made a similar assessment. “What the U.S. did in Iraq was not an act of unprovoked aggression,” Frum insists in the Atlantic, before pointing to “battlefield victories,” “economic benefits,” and that “thanks to the U.S. intervention, the country has for the first time in its independent history a political system that is in some measure accountable to its people,” as upsides to these human costs. Thanks to Bush’s war, Iraqis “have gained a chance,” he concludes".
The Intercept 4/29/23. “The Atlantic Celebrates Iraq War Anniversary With Lavish Falsehoods About Iraq War”
at what cost to us here at home .??. a trillion for the war and its aftermath ... money better spent in america ..
David Frum is such an intelligent person , I love to listen to him, words of wisdom. so smart.
What older Americans fail to realize is the world of the 1950s is over and NEVER coming back unless there is a third world war and we emerge victorious. We enjoyed that brief moment of history in which 1 man could go to work and support his family of 5 on a factory pension because all the economies of the countries in Europe had been destroyed in the war. We were the only players left with an economy and infrastructure completely intact. We produced for the world at that time because of these very unique events. This situation can not be revived with tariffs. Even if we reshored manufacturing, who is going to by our shit when they can get the same thing 10 times cheaper from China, India or Vietnam. The reality is most of the developing world cannot afford our products. This leaves Europe, and they are not fixing to buy from a country whose leader is basically extorting them for money.
Life now in America is ruin. There is no more "Dream." It's about survival on the rat tread mill. Yeah. ELON MUSK has two hundred billions. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DWINDLING MIDDLE CLASS? Meanwhile, can your family afford to make the car payment, pay the rent and afford groceries??? NOPE. THIS HOUSE OF CARDS IS CRASHING IN 2025.
To think that the US hasn't been a global bully for decades is just being naive or willfully ignorant.
So true! Mr. Frum's insights could help us, if we are truly listening.
We are the global bully
Are you kidding, you're asking Frum a known neocon and supporter of the military industrial complex and someone who is accepting of curtailing free speech what concerns we should have about Trump. Give a heads a shake.
I'm very happy to see people on the left call out these neocons and the military-industrial complex.
I cannot take your comment seriously since it is obvious you have terrible grammar and cannot spell so I feel much more confident in the views of Frum over someone who is not literate and spends to much time throwing around slogans and cliches
@@robertriteman3227 "You oppose war crimes and killing millions of people? HAHA, you made a typo, so I'm going with the war criminal."
By the way, you made several mistakes yourself. You missed a comma after 'seriously'. 'So' should be the start of a new sentence or at least a comma. You also misspelled 'too'.
Sadly for you I did not but clearly that is the best you can do since it is obvious that even you know that you are failing in lif and will continue to do so . This is why your Uber passengers will continue to give you low scores @@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590
Thank you. This video is clownish!
Spoken like a true member of the establishment. Mr. from is a perfect example of why the establishment will continue to lose credibility and acceptance. He is wrong on so many levels. I suspect that he knows the truth, and he won’t say it because he’ll lose his access.
Likes of David Frum is the reason Americans want change. Why give a platform to a person who should have no job due his disastrous Iraq policy?
Provocation from the likes of DF are of value IF they provoke thoughts about the points he makes. There are a few grains mixed with his chaff. It's encouraging to read discernment in the comments.
This dude is gaslighting the audience to the power of 10. I grew up in Tucson Arizona and the migrating people coming across the border do so out of desperation because most(most aren't even from Mexico) were displaced do to mostly US economic, political and climate desperation. Then I joined the navy and lived in sicily, Italy for over three years I saw the same thing regarding migration from Africa into Europe. None of those people had any material possessions on them, let alone the economic freedom to just move because the grass is greener over here. Then I was stationed on an amphibious LPD ship out of Mayport, Florida. We did a deployment in the Mediterranean sea and I got to see the rafts and makeshift boats full of absolutely desperate people coming from Libya! I guess Don't believe my lying eyes. He said he wouldn't give the stats, more than likely because he doesn't have any. More status quo BS!
Well-said.
YEA,, this guy lives in his little elite bubble. The Atlantic is pretentious rag, lacking any real journalists.
"...could become a global bully."
A day late and a dollar short.
There is little respect for the USA outside of the USA! Do send thanks to Trump
Liar. Guess you didn't see how the bad actors in the world started to come to the table THE DAY AFTER TRUMP WAS ELECTED. AGAIN. BY POPULAR AND ELECTORAL VOTE. Suck it, loser.
Frum has been wrong for 20 years and yet, people still put him forward as an authority on economics and world events.
Yes, shame on Walter Isaacson for going along with this.
The more I learn about American history, the less respect I have for America. And the less I want the status quo to continue.
Couldn't listen to this man blabber on about how great things are and have been for Americans. He's looking at his stock porfolio and his own personal prosperity, not at the reality that the 99% or lower 90% of we the people of the US, the working class have been enduring so the rich get richer and say all is well as they walk by the growing homeless population in our nation. He is divorced from the reality of the exploitation we face, the lack of affordable housing, the high cost of living while incomes have remained stagnant. He is looking only at the profits of big business which they refuse to share with their workers. He can take his lies and propaganda elsewhere, not buying it.
So what if he is looking at his stock portfolio? You should be looking at fixing your own circumstances and not feeling envious that you have been left behind in your socialism mindset.
You voted for it. Or maybe you were one of the 90 million who sat out this last election. Or maybe naive enough to have believed someone like Trump who will only double down on the plundering.
Congratulations, Were are the election promises, I missed the part on badgering Panama, GreenLand, Canada, Mexico during the campaign.
The education level in the US made it easier for industry to move to countries where the workers could read and write.
Also, where powerful strongman governments were willing to help out with muscling down any resistance to setting up new factories, brushing aside health and environmental regulations etc. China and Brazil are cases in point here.
😂💀☠️ what are you saying? Sounds bad😅
The people of the USA (I don't call them "Americans" because the USA comprises less than a quarter of the two American continents) are hooked up to a drip-feed of jingoistic and corporate bullshit that makes them believe they live in "the land of the free" and "the greatest country on earth," despite plentiful evidence to the contrary, e.g. that it ranks very low on the UN's list of countries with the best quality of life. There was a Soviet dissident in the seventies who said, "Soviets and Americans are subjected to equal amounts of propaganda. The difference is, Americans believe theirs." And so they remain in a state of delusion, thinking they can fulfil "the American Dream." (It's called "the American Dream" because you have to be asleep to believe it"---George Carlin.)
Well, obviously, mass immigration and two million H1B work visas for foreigners should make everything just prefect.