Very well deconstructed. The step by step guide is very noteworthy to apply in training as it acts as an aide memoire. It also demonstartes the many facet of mae that one has to bear in mind and apply. For the person who is questioning it, well that's good. However, an alternative sugegstion ought to be put forward.
I don’t think it’s an accident that this kata can be performed indoors, in an area normally covered by a futon, without making any marks on the ceiling.
Thank you so much for showing the details. Is there a corresponding kata for the opponent side (defending against the first two strikes, and counter attacking)?
"why no rotation of saya?" Because they are doing tate noto as found in Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu, not yoko noto as found in Muso Shinden Ryu. The ZNKR allows for either method to be used at the sensei's discretion
A Fool's Blade Is Shaper Than His Mind Use Diversions To Deceive Your Opponent, If You Set Him Up Letting Him Think He Has You Right Where He Wants You - Then What You've Done Is Put Him In A Position To Be Right Where You Want Him... Let Nature Take It's Course, Let Him Make The Mistakes & Just Take Him As He Comes, Play The Underdog, It's A Smart Man's Game...
"Noto" starts horizontally in seitei iai. "Saya" must be rotated 90 deg for it. "Saya" moves up and down in this video at "Noto"... Wrong! "Saya must be moved horizontally. This is a constructive comment. Nobody is perfect in iaido in the beginning.
It is as you say, but ZNKR Seitei Iai is a very defined and clear system. The idea is the unification of schools with a didactic method. Koryū or Ryu are another issue.
@@IIISalvaIII What you say is not incorrect. Seitei iaido does not specify Yoko noto or Tate noto, it only specifies that the Tsubamoto must meet the koikuchi at the centre of the body
huge glaring errors its called a sa ya,not a sai ya. your seitei Mae is all wrong. 1 draw-you break habbaki good but continue with a blade up draw for about 1/2 to 2/3 of sword length. real seitei Mae has the blade drawn horizontal from breaking habbaki,I.e. break seal,roll sword to horizontal and raise up all at once. 2 you describe the smash as being at temple height(which is correct) but you displayed a downward sloping blade to around your own shoulder height.when I was taught you only do this when you have an actual person in front if you.no person, you use your own kneeling temple height(which is actually higher than a seated opponents temple height). 3 chiburi prep all wrong.supposed to tilt blade 45° out before moving out until arm at shoulder height ,then bring tsuba to ear height. sword parralel to floor(basically kashira and kissaki horizontal) 4 actual chiburi is done forcefully with the end having a snappping focus on it to really snap blood and meat off the blade.kissaki should end up in front of front of front foot and hand to side enough to facilitate this. the blade is NOT gently and slowly placed in position like you did. 5 noto-you placed your blade edge up and started a downward draw moving into a horizontal draw then returned the blade thus is wrong for seitei mai. from chiburi you move both hands together(saya to tsuba,tsuba to saya)with blade in a horizontal edge forward attitude. d once kissaki clears Noguchi you stat to return blade and immediately twist says and blade to edge up and return blade in approx 45° to body inclination and finish with tsuba slightly higher and in front of hara position(in the natural triangle distance made by your own hands. you then return says to ready pisition, drop right had and step back. all done with zanshin. judging by what you displayed you can handle the blade well but were taught wrong. maybe 3-4 years experience and high kyu or possibly shodan grade-hardly an authority to be teaching on TH-cam or anywhere else. FYI,I have been doing this since I was 17 and I'm now in my 51st year and when I learnt seitei there were only 10 ksta,now there are 13 but the last 3 are not significant additions only moving to simple standing draws
Not when I learnt 30 years ago. For children like you there may be 13 kata . If you treat her the video you can clearly hear him sa TWELVE kata so that basically dates the video to before 13 but after 11 and 12 were added. If you know seitei then you know 11 and 12 added nothing of true value. Only 13 adds something new to the mix,unlike the other 10 that add new principles(like wrist smashes,direct blade manipulation,KESHA Wass,,different Tsukuba,,upside down draws,multiple directions) Virtually every principle is include in the 10 seitei kata IF you are smart enough to study further-you just require exposure to koryu kenjutsu to realise it. Therefore my argument is NOT blown out of the water,it just dates my formal seitei education to pre 12 and pre 13 kata seitei
"Noguchi" is a stupid auto correct fuckup I didn't pick up. its supposed to be goguchi and its not an iai term ,its a Japanese sword term so now who's displaying poor knowledge. BTW,there is nothing wrong with my terminology or technical skill Kevel(apart from being a bit out if practice) the guy in the vid is rather deficient,not I
Congratulations, Your my semolina. Graded by A J (Tony) Crawford and Holcolme Thomas 1987-IKF rep for New Zealand and founder of New Zealand Kendo Federation. I'm not practising and will never be part of NZKF due to Graham Sayer's method of appointment(I'm still loyal to my senses and his methodology-a direct student of Abe Konshiro of British Kendo Federation(and others)) Have trained under Graeme Pete briefly but work interfered. Now what precisely troubles you about my post other than spelling issues. And there are 13 seitei kata-1wakisashi according to certain TH-cam vids
1990 actually,but that is not relevant. I have been "out of it" for a small fraction of the time that seitei has been in existence. the 10 kata I learnt are still there and haven't been changed. other sources on TH-cam attest to that. this man does his kata far differently from what I was taught AND far differently from others in "grading" and "contest" videos that are now being published. you can't argue that the way this man performed his kata is correct. who cares what the school is now called,it will always be seitei iai as long as just one person who learnt it as seitei iai remains alive. I have done other sword work outside IKF,some of it koryu,but not for very long, work interferes. I am no EXPERT of high grade so if I can see the faults in his kata there is either something very wrong with him or the school
Appreciate the time and effort you're putting in. Can't give you "correct" anything from any years except my last formal contact with seitei. Don't understand the term "hikinuki",please eloboeate in English-um assuming it is the blade position prior to tsuki as this is a common error in 4&6 I only managed to see up to "true or false" as I'm at work on my apple and post did not show up on forum,only email. I'll answer ushering and ile nagashi from my ancient teachings Ushiro-same as mai but reversed Ukraine nagash-body leaning slightly forward (to facilitate draw and keshi Waza later),inclined 30 to 45 degrees towards attacker-preferably 45. As soon as draw completed move blade to cover head,shoulder,elbow(while squeezing elbow in-says elbow)with immediate stand,irimi to protect left leg and cut. Position for kata is exactly 90 degrees to left but reality(battojutsu) is aye here from 110 to 140 degrees to left depending on speed of attackers forward travel. The battojutsu bit was not part of formal class but we did this for every kata to break down the moves for practical application. I'll expand my reply when I get home-there is a lot of detail in the 4 that showed up on email notification. BTW. are you familiar with B Fujikawa in Christchurch-I am looking to travel to the South Island for work and last heard of he is teaching ex IKF/ZNIR kendo and iai
Thank you.This is a good demonstration for a beginner to watch and to understand, and for practising
Gordon Fisher, please do others katas with the same commentary, also with japan names like this one.very good for not only beginners
So simple in appearance, yet years of practice to attain this level of grace!
I am learning this kata right now, this video helps to understand moves in this kata. So helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent tutorial! Many thanks.
Thank you so much ! It so stately ang majestic. So japanese Tellement japonais ! Une vraie voie de sagesse
Thanks for this. Excellent descriptions. がんばってね！
Very well deconstructed. The step by step guide is very noteworthy to apply in training as it acts as an aide memoire. It also demonstartes the many facet of mae that one has to bear in mind and apply. For the person who is questioning it, well that's good. However, an alternative sugegstion ought to be put forward.
great demonstration and explanation!
I liked you analogy about sheathing the sword and not swording the sheath. very Zen ^_^
I don’t think it’s an accident that this kata can be performed indoors, in an area normally covered by a futon, without making any marks on the ceiling.
Thank you so much for showing the details. Is there a corresponding kata for the opponent side (defending against the first two strikes, and counter attacking)?
Thank you sir.
Most welcome
Thank you for Explantion - finālu i
thank you very much for the video
6:59; why no rotation of saya?
"why no rotation of saya?"
Because they are doing tate noto as found in Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu, not yoko noto as found in Muso Shinden Ryu. The ZNKR allows for either method to be used at the sensei's discretion
A Fool's Blade Is Shaper Than His Mind
Use Diversions To Deceive Your Opponent, If You Set Him Up Letting Him Think He Has You Right Where He Wants You - Then What You've Done Is Put Him In A Position To Be Right Where You Want Him...
Let Nature Take It's Course, Let Him Make The Mistakes & Just Take Him As He Comes, Play The Underdog, It's A Smart Man's Game...
BIG. ....
Really do you think that is correct? Come on !
"Noto" starts horizontally in seitei iai. "Saya" must be rotated 90 deg for it.
"Saya" moves up and down in this video at "Noto"... Wrong! "Saya must be moved horizontally.
This is a constructive comment. Nobody is perfect in iaido in the beginning.
It is as you say, but ZNKR Seitei Iai is a very defined and clear system.
The idea is the unification of schools with a didactic method.
Koryū or Ryu are another issue.
@@IIISalvaIII What you say is not incorrect. Seitei iaido does not specify Yoko noto or Tate noto, it only specifies that the Tsubamoto must meet the koikuchi at the centre of the body
huge glaring errors
its called a sa ya,not a sai ya.
your seitei Mae is all wrong.
1 draw-you break habbaki good but continue with a blade up draw for about 1/2 to 2/3 of sword length.
real seitei Mae has the blade drawn horizontal from breaking habbaki,I.e. break seal,roll sword to horizontal and raise up all at once.
2 you describe the smash as being at temple height(which is correct) but you displayed a downward sloping blade to around your own shoulder height.when I was taught you only do this when you have an actual person in front if you.no person, you use your own kneeling temple height(which is actually higher than a seated opponents temple height).
3 chiburi prep all wrong.supposed to tilt blade 45° out before moving out until arm at shoulder height ,then bring tsuba to ear height.
sword parralel to floor(basically kashira and kissaki horizontal)
4 actual chiburi is done forcefully with the end having a snappping focus on it to really snap blood and meat off the blade.kissaki should end up in front of front of front foot and hand to side enough to facilitate this.
the blade is NOT gently and slowly placed in position like you did.
5 noto-you placed your blade edge up and started a downward draw moving into a horizontal draw then returned the blade
thus is wrong for seitei mai.
from chiburi you move both hands together(saya to tsuba,tsuba to saya)with blade in a horizontal edge forward attitude.
d
once kissaki clears Noguchi you stat to return blade and immediately twist says and blade to edge up and return blade in approx 45° to body inclination and finish with tsuba slightly higher and in front of hara position(in the natural triangle distance made by your own hands.
you then return says to ready pisition, drop right had and step back.
all done with zanshin.
judging by what you displayed you can handle the blade well but were taught wrong.
maybe 3-4 years experience and high kyu or possibly shodan grade-hardly an authority to be teaching on TH-cam or anywhere else.
FYI,I have been doing this since I was 17 and I'm now in my 51st year and when I learnt seitei there were only 10 ksta,now there are 13 but the last 3 are not significant additions only moving to simple standing draws
Not when I learnt 30 years ago.
For children like you there may be 13 kata .
If you treat her the video you can clearly hear him sa TWELVE kata so that basically dates the video to before 13 but after 11 and 12 were added.
If you know seitei then you know 11 and 12 added nothing of true value.
Only 13 adds something new to the mix,unlike the other 10 that add new principles(like wrist smashes,direct blade manipulation,KESHA Wass,,different Tsukuba,,upside down draws,multiple directions)
Virtually every principle is include in the 10 seitei kata IF you are smart enough to study further-you just require exposure to koryu kenjutsu to realise it.
Therefore my argument is NOT blown out of the water,it just dates my formal seitei education to pre 12 and pre 13 kata seitei
"Noguchi" is a stupid auto correct fuckup I didn't pick up.
its supposed to be goguchi and its not an iai term ,its a Japanese sword term so now who's displaying poor knowledge.
BTW,there is nothing wrong with my terminology or technical skill Kevel(apart from being a bit out if practice)
the guy in the vid is rather deficient,not I
Congratulations,
Your my semolina.
Graded by A J (Tony) Crawford and Holcolme Thomas 1987-IKF rep for New Zealand and founder of New Zealand Kendo Federation.
I'm not practising and will never be part of NZKF due to Graham Sayer's method of appointment(I'm still loyal to my senses and his methodology-a direct student of Abe Konshiro of British Kendo Federation(and others))
Have trained under Graeme Pete briefly but work interfered.
Now what precisely troubles you about my post other than spelling issues.
And there are 13 seitei kata-1wakisashi according to certain TH-cam vids
1990 actually,but that is not relevant.
I have been "out of it" for a small fraction of the time that seitei has been in existence.
the 10 kata I learnt are still there and haven't been changed.
other sources on TH-cam attest to that.
this man does his kata far differently from what I was taught AND far differently from others in "grading" and "contest" videos that are now being published.
you can't argue that the way this man performed his kata is correct.
who cares what the school is now called,it will always be seitei iai as long as just one person who learnt it as seitei iai remains alive.
I have done other sword work outside IKF,some of it koryu,but not for very long, work interferes.
I am no EXPERT of high grade so if I can see the faults in his kata there is either something very wrong with him or the school
Appreciate the time and effort you're putting in.
Can't give you "correct" anything from any years except my last formal contact with seitei.
Don't understand the term "hikinuki",please eloboeate in English-um assuming it is the blade position prior to tsuki as this is a common error in 4&6
I only managed to see up to "true or false" as I'm at work on my apple and post did not show up on forum,only email.
I'll answer ushering and ile nagashi from my ancient teachings
Ushiro-same as mai but reversed
Ukraine nagash-body leaning slightly forward (to facilitate draw and keshi Waza later),inclined 30 to 45 degrees towards attacker-preferably 45.
As soon as draw completed move blade to cover head,shoulder,elbow(while squeezing elbow in-says elbow)with immediate stand,irimi to protect left leg and cut.
Position for kata is exactly 90 degrees to left but reality(battojutsu) is aye here from 110 to 140 degrees to left depending on speed of attackers forward travel.
The battojutsu bit was not part of formal class but we did this for every kata to break down the moves for practical application.
I'll expand my reply when I get home-there is a lot of detail in the 4 that showed up on email notification.
BTW. are you familiar with B Fujikawa in Christchurch-I am looking to travel to the South Island for work and last heard of he is teaching ex IKF/ZNIR kendo and iai
BIG. ....