Phoebe Handsjuk Case Analysis | Garbage Chute Death
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Moral of the story: Don’t get involved with Antony Hampel.
True!
😂🤣
More like don't take drugs
@@testboga5991 Or BOTH!
@@testboga5991 - It's not that clear that drugs and not Mr Hampel were the prime mover in Phoebes death.
“Dr Grande, how much do you charge for a psychoanalytic diagnosis?”
Dr G: “$$$$$”
“Um, how much would you charge to speculate about what could be happening in a case like this?”
Thanks for the laugh! Comment of the day!
Gold - he should pin this
Don't forget the "not diagnosing anyone" discount.
good one !!
You win, this comment is the Best!
Nah doc. That man killed those two women. And his judge daddy protected him.
Yeah he did!
Agree
True. And his dad and stepmother's profession acquainted him with cases where people got away with things like this, so he clearly took notes carefully, to apply those techniques later on with his girlfriends. Whoever he is dating now is definitely not safe.
I hope she sees this video, or someone they know watches it and alert her.
100%
What you have there Australia is a "f***ing" Serial Killer. good luck.
Why don't you think he was involved?
He had another girlfriend die in a weird way too?
She could've died in an easier, less painful way if she was suicidal.
Please follow up with why you think he's innocent.
Usually you do that.
This was a tumultuous relationship and they wouldn't let the medics check her but did no investigation?
I'm so confused!
His judge parents definitely paid the cops to cover up what he did.
Totally agree
The fact that the EMTs *were not allowed* to check if she was alive is very suspicious. Usually, that's done no matter how unlikely the victim's survival seems.
I wouldn't listen to this guy; it's not the first time I've seen him have a differing opinion to us all
I’m not totally convinced that she didn’t have “help” getting into the chute.
Yeah... poor girl.
I think her bf tore apart her will to live, in essence he may still be responsible for her death. She didn’t seem to be suicidal until she met him. Then there was his other ex that turned up dead too
Yeah literally no one but the investigators who were paid off think she did it on her own
Me neither.
They had a gymnast try to get into a chute door like that one - she couldn't do it. Strong springs kept the door slamming on her an there was no leverage. Would need a chair or something to stand on, at minimum. But it was pretty EASY for someone to put a limp (drugged or dead) girl into the chute.
I remember watching a re-enactment of this case and it showed it was not possible for her to climb into that chute by herself, this case should not be closed, imho.
I saw that reenactment and I agree it should not be a closed case. Everything Dr. Grande said was true, but I think some of those odd factors he mentioned take on a different light when you realize she really couldn't have gotten into that chute herself. And the next girlfriend also committing suicide under mysterious circumstances? Come on now. That's an awfully big coincidence…
@@juliannejasper3875 EXACTLEY!!
@@juliannejasper3875 true
Yes. It's pretty unsettling to watch, as you realize there was no way Pheobe could have done it herself and that SOMEONE stuffed her down the chute like she was garbage. 😔
She possibly dove in?
I usually agree with your conclusions and thoughts about the cases you cover Dr., but in this instance I have to respectfully disagree. The thing that I can't get past is the absence of fingerprints around the garbage chute. It was clearly wiped down and if she had climbed in it herself, her fingerprints would have been all over it. And I don't think it's a coincidence that two women, both with mental health issues and alcohol and substance abuse issues, died AND dated Antony. He is the common denominator and it makes me side eye this case a bit although I cannot say with certainty he is responsible, obviously. At the very least he attracted women that he could easily control because of their issues. Its a sad case with no clear answers and my heart goes out to her family.
I agree 100% with you, Sarah!
Ya that’s the part that bugs me the most too. There’s just no way no prints there.
I also disagree with the good doctor on this one.
Yup!
Yup the prints and the state of her undress. If one were suicidal, why would they bring a cloth, wipe off prints and if so where is the cloth? It seems impossible to jump in the garbage suit fully clothed. IF her jeans came off with the force of the fall let us know. But how does she jump in no fingerprints with her jeans around her feet. This reminds me of power and influence affecting police investigation.
What about the lack of fingerprints on the chute tho? She couldn't have gotten in without touching it
Yeah and if she was impaired she would have been fumbling all over to open it or get in :(
If someone wiped up fingerprints, why would they leave blood smears? If they were cleaning up, they would clean it all not just parts.
@@existentialcrisis4884 wouldn't really matter if it's her blood. There was already blood in the apartment
And would she have cared to wipe of her own finger prints after she entered the chute?? To make sure she’s not caught? She sure didn’t care about the blood dripping everywhere as she had her mouse and other spots in her apartment that had her blood. At the end we can’t know for sure but seriously a real case of lousy investigation
@@SanamJanamian def lousy. What got me the first time I heard about this case was the ex gf
I'm going to say this..Antony's father is a judge.
yep, that's what I was thinking
Wasn't urine vandersloot's dad a judge, too?
I was thinking this the whole time
And his mother.....my thoughts exactly. No one commits suicide that way. How would she know what the end result would've been?
@@Mikey_Sea good question 🤔....I wonder?
I feel like I am missing something- the boyfriend comes home anticipating going out for dinner with Phoebe and her dad that night, doesn't find Phoebe home, sees the broken glass on the floor, blood on a door trim, computer mouse and keyboard....and doesn't call her, her friends or family, or even the police, but he does call for takeout?
idk.. antony hampill was a terribly controlling and abusive partner and if i remember right, he kept pushing that she was suicidal. seems super coincidental that bailey also was suicidal, ended up dead, and was dating p.o.s. rich guy
I'm usually at one with the docs assessments but here I'm far from confident, doubly so given the paucity of the police investigation, that his reading of this case is right.
Just going on the evidence he gave, and before I read what you posted about this Anthony Hampill character, it was my opinion that it was more likely he was directly involved than not.
I think he seeks out emotionally vulnerable women. There's no coincidence that they were both suicidal because that's the type he preys on.
@@sideshowratt Ant did this
@@sideshowratt - the questions are:
(1) how suicidal are they before they meet him?
(2) did they actually commit suicide?
With regard to question 2 and this case - I'm far from convinced that she did. I don't know enough about the other case to have a strong opinion either way.
Possibly a rich cunning narc preying on borderline women, he didn’t even have to commit the the murders, just pushed them in that direction when he got bored of them.
How can one explain the mysterious deaths of 2 girlfriends?
Could the fact that Antony's parents were both judges play a part of how the investigation was handled?
Makes me think of the series Your Honor. A great analysis Dr. Grande but I think somebody got away with murder 2 times.
I agree, I’m willing to believe in coincidences but these are a bit too much coincidence..
Easy to see conspiracies every where you look. Consider this, no one knew who she was when she was first discovered, after it became known that she was Antony's gf, how would a common police officer have any idea who his parents were? I mean, would you know any random judge's adult children? More likely that Antony is very attracted to highly unstable, drug abusing women.
@@loriclark553 Very well said, I had this same thought. And even if the various cops who responded, by some unlikely chance, did somehow know the boyfriend was a judge's son, there's no reason to assume those same cops are instantly now going to snap to attention: "Well. That changes everything. Plans have changed, boys, you know the drill- cover up *everything* and protect the judge's kin...."
All due respect, I'm really surprised to see so many comments here expressing *certainty* about the boyfriend's alleged guilt. Speculating or suspecting that he might be guilty is one thing, but I'm seeing a lot of comments alleging his guilt as if people "know".
I just don't see any evidence to warrant such alleged "certainty". It's definitely *weird* that he had 2 girlfriends kill themselves, and he seems like an unequivocal scumbag (I agree, he's hard-wired to exploit vulnerable women) but weird doesn't equal evidence.
If you know anything about people who mix drugs and alcohol and who have mood disorders, this is not strange at all. Furthermore, many people get themselves into similar relationship patterns - they like what they like. I know it seems too coincidental, but really it wasn't murder.
Absolutely, yes. Australian police are corrupt AF.
Something tells me that Antony Hamphill will have other friends or partners die mysteriously, yet he will somehow *never* have anything to do with their deaths.
So you clearly said she could not have gotten into the chute with her jeans around her knees, only put into the chute that way, yet it was a suicide? How can you draw that conclusion? The suicide theory has a lot of holes bordering on impossibilities while the murder theory has none, despite the very poor police investigation of this son of a judge.
the murder theory has no evidence though. im not saying he didnt do it but theres no evidence that he did
@@NC-ck5oj The jeans pulled down despite her going into the chute feet first are evidence of murder and disprove both accident and suicide. Hampel was in the building at the time of her death. He was also the only person who had any kind of motive. There was blood in the apartment. She was bruised on her wrists, arms and neck. The chute had no fingerprints. Hampel's next girlfriend turned up dead in another even more impossible 'suicide'.
How would you explain that?
@@scarborough5612 I also think she was murdered, but I don't think the pants prove that. If her pants were unbuttoned, and she was crawling a bit after her fall, they easily could have been pulled down. She may have done it herself to assess a possible leg wound.
@@pinkpink-kb6dl good to hear we agree, I definitely think there's a lot of discussion to be had around exactly how the murder happened (just not about whether it was murder). That being said, I'm not sure why someone with a foot almost entirely severed would take time and energy to unbutton their own pants in that situation, or that she would have dragged herself in such a way that they became unbuttoned, unzipped and came down. Part of the problem is the investigation was done so incredibly poorly that there's evidence we don't have that we should, about how the coroner suggests that happened and why.
@@scarborough5612 I meant if they were unbuttoned prior to her fall (if I have jeans on at home I usually unbutton them especially if I'm sitting), and she army crawled after the fall, they could've been pushed down. Not to mention the fall theory involves her being incredibly disoriented. Her confused mind could've come up with anything. But yea while I think that situation is technically possible, everything all together tells me it was the boyfriend. Sucks bc I feel like all the information to solve the case was there, but the investigators didn't dig hard enough
Phoebe’s treatment was suboptimal to say the least- the fact that she contacted the clinician 2 days before her death and the clinician’s inaction after hearing that her client would “take some pills to sleep the pain away” are just some of the red flags. Maybe if the counselor had a competent supervisor this tragedy could have been avoided.
Thank you as always.❤️
I agree, for some it's very hard and serious to mention our pain. We are able to bring it up in a casual way "take pills to sleep it away" that an experienced clinician would've "red flagged" and questioned deeper if not followed up on. Combined with the type of pills she'd taken mixed with that amount of alcohol and the mental health issues that feel like a plague while in an unhealthy relationship she could've been quite unaware of the finality of her actions to the consequences of the garbage chute, *the BF likely made her feel like garbage*. I've been there, luckily not in a garage chute nor mixing alcohol with Ambien but did have to stop taking that medication because of strange symptoms and actions I couldn't recall. I'm not saying the BF is entirely innocent but he likely didn't have to have a direct hand in this at all.
Oh come on! You know he did it!! Watch Stephanie Harlowe, she did a multi parter on Phoebe.... She did not climb in there herself!!!! There's a video of a demonstration of how impossible it would be to get in that particular chute like they said she did.... No way!!
I agree! Stephanie did a great series on this.
But that would mean the judicial system is flawed.
Addicts don’t force themselves down trash shoots 11 floors up when you’ve got access to perfectly good drugs that could do the job in ur sleep with no pain.
Another guy, hoped into an air conditioning unit and was found dead weeks later.
Ambien sleeping pills WILL make people do wild things.
Yeah that pill she took is the same as Ambien, a hypnotic. My doctor gave me Ambien for insomnia in the early 90's. I would never wake up where I went to sleep. I'd wake up under a computer desk, in the bathroom, in the kitchen. I stopped taking them when I woke up on the garage floor in my pajamas with my car keys in my hand and having no memory of any of it. It's some scary stuff.
Such a well connected person with two girlfriends dead? Seems sus to me
Same.
Drs help cover for connected people too it seems...
Dr. Grande! It´s a lot more to this story that make it a lot more suspect! This speculation "analysis" was under your standard. My opinion!
No disrespect, Dr. Grande, but I disagree with you on this one. If you take a deeper dive you’ll find many more discrepancies. The motive favored her allegedly abusive boyfriend and his powerful family certainly had the means to cover this up. RIP Phoebe.
His father was a retired supreme court judge - a lot of influence on any ruling right there...
And a lot of handshakes too
Yea 99% of homicide detectives don’t give a shit who your daddy is, if you’re a suspect they’ll investigate you. It’s incredibly insulting to the detectives who worked this case to suggest they were somehow influenced by some retired judge they most likely don’t give two shits about and has no authority over them.
Homicide detectives are the least likely out of all law enforcement officers to be influenced by politics; they see the worst of the worst, they absolutely despise killers and like I said, most don’t give a shit who your dad is... from what I’ve seen they’re actually more motivated to put criminals with some kind of authority or privilege in prison because they hate people who abuse their power to victimize innocent people... so yea if anything they’re more likely to try and lock up the son of a judge, especially if said judge is trying to put pressure on them to not do their job...
Prosecutors can be influenced though, since they’re obviously are well connected with other attorneys/judges. Although if the police presents enough evidence; a corrupt attorney will have no choice to bring it to trial, regardless of how much pressure their judge friend puts on them.
@@waynejohnson1786 Not the detectives per se, but certainly the people above them breathing down their necks.
This was definitely a murder! He's going to kill again and probably get away with it. His moms and pops will see to it. Again. 😠
This isn’t America, our cops are straight down the line here.
@@jeremybradley559 This case shows very clearly not all of them are.
I normally really appreciate your thoughts, however the idea that Antony was not involved when he has now had two different girlfriends die mysteriously, and several members of his family are judges, makes the idea that he was innocent utterly preposterous.
Let us not forget about his drug dealing sister . . .
0 evidence to support your delusion
But how could she get in there without leaving fingerprints, I saw pictures on it and it's impossible.
Poor girl who couldn't see what a great life was there in front of her.
Leaving that man and getting sober to begin with...
@@nikkimclay5474 so what do you think happened...
It's a beautiful day in Tokyo this morning, I wish you have a beautiful day, Dr. Grande! ❤️
Ohio!
But Doc, I don’t understand why and how Phoebe would wipe her finger prints off?
She just didn’t grip it enough to leave prints
@@thepostofficeprince8819 But how would that be possible? A smooth metal surface is impossible to avoid leaving prints on no matter how lightly you touch it. To struggle her way up to the outer edge of the chute - Her prints should have been all over that area, not to mention her blood.
@@JonShade-fy2gm The surface wasn't clean. There were only no clear fingerprints, according to Phoebe's mother.
@@thatsalt1560 So where was her blood then? Given that she had cut herself on the glass, and blood was found in other places on the door to the room, there should have been blood if she had forced herself down that chute.
There isn’t always finger prints. It’s not a digital log. Dry hands , just washed Hands because of a cut ? There are actually only rare times finger prints are found.
Someone could’ve pulled that alarm just to get to Phoebe’s floor.
The fact that both girlfriends’ deaths were odd, have similarities, and with the same boyfriend make this very suspicious. My guess is the boyfriend had something to do with one or both of the deaths..
I watch a lot of true crime and this is a case that haunts Me! Also never sat well with Me that Anthony's best mate (more like a Brother) lived in the building also, the building manager noted that the friend was very different after Pheobe's death. I would like to know his movements on the day. ❤ from 🇦🇺
Maybe he knew something rather than did something?
I think that the "boy friend" did it, too! Very strange that 2 of his "girlfriends" died mysteriously ! First time that I thought that You were wrong Dr. G. The lack of finger prints -Very troubling .
There was an experiment run with a woman of similar athletic build and stature to Phoebe in which it was determined that it would be next to impossible for her to have climbed into that chute intoxicated and without help (or at all). I personally don't think that she chose to end her life in that brutal and traumatic way.
Phoebe’s family and friends performed tests on the chute to see if they could fit into the chute opening and it was discovered that even a small person could not get their shoulders past the opening without help. Good for thought. Plus after a while the police did ask for the logging in and out of the building and the logs showed Antony actually came home for a short time in the afternoon. Nothing has ever been done though, although her family are trying to get the case reopened.
I think Antony being involved in Phoebe's death is pretty obvious. Especially considering his erratic behavior after her death. There are a number of podcasts who cover this case in detail, and Antony is caught in lies multipule times.
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Yeah and he was shown on camera entering the apartment building that day during the hours he told investigators he was somewhere else. And for authorities to think this is an accident but not really? Seems like they want to say it's suspicious but can't make certain people mad.
Come on man, two different women die under mysterious circumstances that have the same boyfriend (the son of a very high ranking judge) and the police bungle the investigation on at least the first death? What gives?
I don’t know, if I was Phoebe’s family members I’d ask for the case to be reopened.
Unfortunately the family couldn't do anything, the authorities closed the case and gave the family no chance to interfere.
A very confused and troubled girl. To me it is obvious he was in charge of this as there was a video and it became clear that a person weighing more than 80 pounds cant fit in the garbage disposal and get in it on their own. Imagine a grown very drunk woman trying to do so.
Grown very drunk women can do all kinds of things that we might not expect. Not disagreeing, really, just thinking about what might have happened in a case like this.
@@TinselKoala impossible watch the 60 minutes
Idk...I saw an attempted recreation of getting into that trash chute and it was impossible to not touch anything and leave no fingerprints. So....how did she do that? Especially when she was drunk and high? I think someone else had to be involved.
I agree it was likely murder but the line between "the incompetent cops didn't take fingerprints" and "there were no fingerprints" can be very blurred
I watched Stephanie Harlow’s coverage of this case and she brings up a few things that convinced me she was murdered. like the reenactment done showing it’s impossible for a single person so get in the trash shoot on their own. Her boyfriend had kicked her out of the apartment multiple times even though she paid rent.
He was messing with her phone the morning of the day she died and had conflicting stories about his communication with her that day. He and his family were really weird towards her family after her death, he wouldn’t see her family, he would happen to have mood swings and become immediately too distraught to talk to them when they came to see him but was fine when they weren’t there, according to his friends and others around him. He wouldn’t let them collect her things, and wouldn’t turn her body over to her parents or even let them plan any part of the funeral, he had his mother and her friend plan it. He had custody over her body because he had registered as her defacto next of kin without the knowledge of her family, normally in Australia you have to be living together for two years to have this type of next of kin relationship recognized, but Phoebe had only been living with him for a year.
She also had a family member who was a cop, who noticed the investigators were making a lot of mistakes and just ignoring evidence. She was also making plans like helping plan her brothers birthday party. She also kept a journal where she wrote about a lot of her feelings and wrote poems. Her journal had no mention of suicide or depression near her death, but it did contain a lot of poetry about how much she resented her boyfriend. She definitely struggled with depression, substance abuse, and was known to be a risk taker. But it seems like she also had an abusive relationship with her boyfriend. I think he was involved in her death.
Did you watch the reenactment of Phoebe climbing into the garbage shoot? It appears that it would have been pretty,ugh impossible for her to climb in the garbage shoot without help.
This guy was super controlling, and super jealous. I'm pretty sure this was a homicide
A bachelor's degree in Australia not the same as an American bachelor's degree. While this clinician 'only' had a bachelor's degree (essential equivalent of a US masters degree), she would also be undertaking two years of supervised practices by a senior clinician.
Problem was she didn’t appear to ask for supervision or be supervised. It could also be she was only a counsel or not a psychologist and her degree was not in psychology …either way, she has a really steep learning curve to climb and she didn’t learn fast enough for this patient.
Counsellor
@@AwfulDog1 she definitely should have asked for supervision in the case and it's bizarre that she didn't! Personally I agree that only doing a bachelor's degree will be limiting your knowledge as a clinician. I thought it was specified she was a psychologist in the video which is a protected term in Australia.
Dear ladies, Best to avoid Anthony Hampel @ all costs.
Agreed!
When possible be in a different Country from him.
Ambien ain't no joke. I had to quit the stuff because of the dangerous things I'd do while blacked out on it. Things I could have seriously died doing.
Yep. I have had some absolutely bizarre experiences on Ambien.
Phoebe did NOT kill herself!!
Bailey did NOT kill herself!
Both girls knew too much.
Ants father a retired judge and step mother a judge.
An elite family with dark secrets.
A recent review of this case is on Under Investigation led by Liz Hayes with both Phoebe's mother and grandfather.
Someone who knows the truth needs to step up.🙏
Justice for both Phoebe and Bailey.💞
..geez, ..don't Kill yourself.
Antony Hampel is a master planner. He certainly did his research. The fire alarm unlocking every door, then the system not tracking exits.
From the demonstrations I’ve seen, it’s physically impossible for someone to fit themselves into that garbage chute by themselves. That’s what makes me think it’s suspicious, if only because she’d need help executing any suicide plan. Also, wouldn’t her fingerprints have been all over the handle and front?
I'm sorry but this was for sure murder, too much of a coincidence that 2 young fragile women died under this circumstances without foul play, He with committed the murders or pay for someone to do it, his status make him walk free today 😓 rip beautiful Phoebe and Bailey
I just can’t imagine anyone putting themselves down a garbage shute
Totally... even for suicide. Most people have an intense dislike of confined dark spaces. If you're going to merge with the infinite do it out the window and in the sunshine.
Also.... Maybe them swanky tower blocks have rose scented rubbish chutes but in the one I lived in the rubbish chutes stunk to high heaven. Putting the rubbish out was bad enough - never mind putting myself down one.
I would recommend Stephanie Harlowe's 3 part series on the case... She did a great job covering a lot of relevant details and went in depth into the theories.
I have no idea! This one could go either way! It made me sad that she walked around the trash room and was still alive. I hope she didn’t suffer long.
On this one I have to disagree with the doctor. There was controlling and toxic behavior from Anthony. His timeline didn’t match up, and there is no way she could have opened the spring loaded, vertical, shoot door without leaving prints, someone had to wipe it down. Plus the girlfriend he dated after had similar mysterious circumstances? Not to mention all the connections he has. I think it’s too suspicious to not have been him.
Idk how you don’t suspect murder... there were a lot of little details that were ignored and didn’t add up. Plus Anthony’s parents were powerful people...
I was really surprised when you concluded he was not involved… I wasn’t expecting that at all 🤷♀️
We really need to learn how to care for friends and family with mental illness. It really shouldn’t be a responsibility of one single clinician.
Bloody hell Dr. Grande, I swear you’re the first American I’ve heard pronounce Melbourne the way we do here in Aus! Threw me off for a bit there haha.
Ahhh fuck:
OK, i gotta know.. & your moniker tells me you’re a direct sort 😜 :
Are u hearing a good *pronunciation* of Melbourne, or are u hearing an American’s bad *impression* of someone w an Aussie accent saying Melbourne?
See- when i hear him say “Mel-BIN,” it makes my skin crawl! Cuz to ME, it should be more like “Mel-BUN.” There wd be almost the slightest sense of an R before the N.
In the US we just drink up YOUR accents like wine. But apparently u guys are so disgusted by the way we speak a hard R, you’d rather hear [a borderline] offensive impression of yourselves?! 🤣
Hmm. I have to agree with another person's posts. She did not kill herself. The pants down to the knees and the belt buckle thing.
Not sure about your assessment of her.
As a layperson, something is missing.
But it's your channel and I love it.
Thank you for another great video/podcast
I was involved in the waste industry for many years. It’s in the top ten most dangerous jobs out there. We had many instances where homeless people, etc climbed into a container and fell asleep. The results are horrendous. I’m so sorry Dr Grande that you experienced the deaths of clients in your practice. I’m sure you never get used to it.
That’s so interesting. I wonder what prompts someone to go inside containers like this, even when under the influence.🤔😕
But how many people commit suicide by climbing into a small trash chute and sliding down... into a compactor. Very grim.
After research, there are some reports of deaths like this. Some suspicious. Some suicide. Tragic.
@@rejaneoliveira5019 Possibly to keep warm and or dry. One question about this case, how was there blood but no prints?
@@thelocalmaladroit8873 Oh ok.
Right, blood and no prints - that’s really a mystery, especially given the fact the she went in feet first...🤔
The police declined to do an investigation. Wow, and the fact that both the guy’s parents were judges and that there were no fingerprints on the outside of the garbage shut, that is strong probable-cause all day long.
Also it could have potentially been a third person.
Now, we’ll never know.
The zinger about the 'floor levels' of relationships was hilarious!Dr Grande,the master of analogies!
Best visual analogy ever!
Nice job Dr.. G!
Check out Stephanie Harlowe's 2 part series on this story...it was a much deeper dive and very interesting.
Love stephanie!
I just watched that the other day!! It was so interesting!
I agree.. there's so much more research and thought put into her presentation. Like why if phoebe wanted to die did she try to crawl to door of trash room?
I love Stephanie and I watch her, because I like the way she tells a story, but she is not a good investigator. And she is clearly biased with Phoebe, you can see she likes her personality and wants to believe that it was the big, bad boyfriend. She has a tendency to favour "tortured, missunderstood" people. But death and accidents do not favour 🤷♀️
All my relationships have been on the ground floor level.
I had a basement relationship once! (just kidding!)⏬
Does Dr Grande appear as an expert witness in court? If so, he just demonstrated a bias and massive inconsistencies in his analysis and conclusions, which draws into question his reliability as an expert witness.
This is not the first time he’s done this. That: “It always generates an interesting debate” line is also interesting. He’s profiling us!
stillnox is so weird..... if you take a couple too much, you will think your sleeping, but you may be actually sleep walking....(it did happen to me, just taking 2 tablets...) I ended up driving my car to a friend... i cant even remember any of that, but it was true... I have never took them again.
Yeah then add a BAC of .16 lol. I'm prescribed ambien (stillnox) and I only take it as I'm climbing into bed so when the effects hit, I sleep. If I'm not in bed when they hit, I could go do something for 2 hours and not remember
Strange the boyfriend's connections were not a reason to suspect anything and the young girls he dated wouldn't be his parents first choice. A somewhat remarkable set of circumstances that were never investigated. We need to wait and see what will happen to his future girlfriend. As the saying goes...three's a charm. Down Under is no exception. 🙌🤔💨
I’ve been waiting for this one. Poor beautiful Phoebe 💔
Zolpidem/Stilnox is called Ambien in the US, and it's infamous for causing people to do bizarre things.
Wow. Never heard an American pronounce Melbourne the same way we do in Australia before. Kudos Dr Grande 😂 the research is real.
he got my smile n nod lol
I'm trying to reconcile how an intoxicated, disoriented, drugged person was able to climb into the chute on a wall that was a little over 14" wide, feet first and leave no prints...
The father of Antony must have had to call in favors to cover for the murders of these two young women!
Zolpidem/Stilnox/Ambien.....notorious in the medical field for inducing psychosis, hallucination, etc. Not saying that that is the explanation in this case, but....it's a medication that I and many colleagues refuse to prescribe, recommend, or otherwise take.
That's a good point. Ambien made me do things and I never recall doing them. Only knew by receipts, my security footage etc
I got an rx for Ambien. It was awful. And even though it was considered a mild sedative, it made my insomnia worse.
Especially in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Anthony said she sometimes took his pills… or was this just convenient?
@@amberc.2137 same, I would see msgs or pics on my phone next morning and I got too scared I would embarrass or kill myself
@@justagrrl1981 Right!? I had a friend who "woke up in jail". Apparently he'd gone driving in the middle of the night, hit a curb, drove over the sidewalk & hit a chain link fence surrounding a park. The police found him asleep in the car & arrested him for DUI suspicion. Although he was physically doing activities all night long, he woke up in a jail cell not remembering a damn thing. Blood tests showed he only had ambien in his system. But the judge didn't care that he thought he was in bed sleeping & suspended his license for 6 months. He never touched ambien again! The stuff should be pulled from prescription shelves & never be prescribed again. It is DANGEROUS.....
I just wanted to say Dr Grande that when I did my Bachelor's in Psychology in Australia that the path to becoming a qualified psychologist was then to complete a Master's degree and then two years of supervised clinical training. I don't know what her job title was but the clinician was definitely was not qualified as a psychologist and could not prescribe medication even if she qualified, only a qualified medical doctor can do that in Australia. It's possible that if her position was as a counsellor which requires at least two years diploma and 100 hours placement but the support she provided would be in more informal situations such as a youth worker situated in a youth centre rather than structured face to face counselling. To be honest I agree that the clinician was both under-qualified and under-educated and I'm unsure how she came to be employed in that role.
Yes, you beat me to this. Likely she was a counsellor. No one (I hope) with any degree in psychology and others to ask re difficult cases would underestimate this woman so badly… but didn’t the therapist say she didn’t think phoebe was borderline? Suggests she had some diagnostic knowledge but I am not sure she was right with this either.
Thanks for saying this, PJ! I’m currently changing careers and decided to start over and do the whole B Psych rather than the advanced dip, since I haven’t studied since the 90s. Since I have young twins I need to support, I’m planning to earn my counselling license so I can work before applying to do a master’s or combined master’s/doctoral program. I’m in NSW but it seems they’ve increased the supervised training hours to 400, or so I’ve been told…
Just to explain to anyone outside Aus - “two years diploma” means a two year postgraduate diploma, not an associate’s degree. You either need to do what they call an honours degree and the supervision or the regular B psych plus the postgrad dip. Just to clarify.
I meant a second bachelor’s.
Dr Grande: The hardest working man on TH-cam!
Everything is neat in doctors family behind his back, no suicidal alarm is necessary, but the doctor himself looks a bit tired from maintaining order in his plant family. 🤔
Not a fan of the title. Really demeans the tragedy of the case.
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@Steph sounds like a murder mystery , to me .
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@@malina957 myself included🤪
Did anyone watch Stephanie Harlowe's series of videos on this case? It's extremely thorough, very detailed, but not boring. By the last video I knew everything there was to ever know and ever will know about this case.
His parents are judges, that say it all, especially in Victoria.
As an Australian I just want to say thankyou for pronouncing Melbourne correctly!
Leave it to Dr. Grande to somehow educate me, a true crime addict, in a case I've somehow never heard of
The videos by Stephanie Harlowe are much better! Grande left out a lot of extremely incriminating details in order to draw the conclusion he did, very disappointing.
How about the scenario where Phoebe was blacked out on drugs and alcohol after breaking the glass and her boyfriend was so mad he carried her to the chute while saying something snarky like, "This is how I take out the trash!"
Sounds like she was pushed.
Your insight on these cases is so on point Dr Grande! No matter how much I've heard about a case you just make it make so much more sense! Thank you for your analysis doc!💖💖💖
Phoebe seems to mirror my life before I became a parent and my life changed completely for the better. I was reckless, mentally ill and self medicating. I used to take zolpidem and be blacked out, also mixing with alcohol. It’s VERY easy to black out on because you’re meant to go straight to bed. You will be functioning completely but are not there at all and will remember nothing. It’s very dangerous if not properly used. So it’s not hard to believe it was actually an accident, but regardless the police should’ve properly investigated and covered all basis.
Thank you for covering this story! This story gets me every single time. I'm an Aussie and it was covered well in Australia. Such a tragic set of devastating circumstances!
A truly sad story. Thank you Dr.Grande for discussing the services that failed her.
From experience when I suffered from extreme depression I stopped calling the help line as they get annoyed when you ring to ofter.
I was suicidal at that time.
Don’t agree with you on this one. Guy will be caught on day.
Dr. Grande, it appears you havent covered the story of poor Colleen Stan, also known as the girl in the box. I'm curious to hear your assessment of the kind of psychological damage and indoctrination the poor girl suffered thru, and your insights into the mind of the absolute monster that did that to her.
Dr. Grande... zolpidem is more commonly known as Ambien, which is a sleeping medication. We have seen people "sleep eating" and even "sleep driving" . Scary stuff!
I think he referred to it as Stilnox because Phoebe was from Australia and that's the Australian brand name for zolpidem. Either way yes scary stuff
Plus a BAC of .16
There is a documentary about Phoebe on how she was able or unable to go thru the chute with or without help.
She was not the only one that died tragically but another girl too. Both dated Antony who is a son of a retired Supreme Court Judge. RIP Phoebe.
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when I got my fiance from the hospital after his suicide attempt, the doctors and nurses wouldn't tell me anything at all since we weren't married. I begged them to tell me something, if he was in danger. They wouldn't speak a word. Two weeks later, he was dead. When I took my son to the psychiatrist after a suicide attempt, and asked if he could get anti-depressants, the doc told me it wasn't depression, that it was all behavioral. So, I cracked down on the discipline on my son. couple months later, he was dead. Mental health doctors are a joke.
You’re dismissing any probable cause that someone may have pulled the fire alarms on purpose to gain access to the stairs?? Who is able is pull themselves into a garbage shoot without leaving behind fingerprints? She and Ant had a toxic and volatile relationship and his previous gf died under similar circumstances… But sure, he’s totally innocent because his key card is the ultimate alibi 🤡
I love the bit you do at the end. That would crush at a comedy club
Poor Phoebe she didn’t have the right support.
Great video Dr Grande!!
I'm pretty convinced that this whole video is that dry sarcastic humor we love, he's just so good at it, its hard to tell the difference. To not believe Anthony had something to do with both those girls given the evidence, its like this video is one giant piss take. Seriously i'm convinced.
"you know what? we are staying down here on the 2nd floor because i simply don't trust you" lmao
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Thanks so much for this. I commend you as a mental healthcare professor/practitioner to critique the industry. It’s not easy to see exactly what’s wrong with a situation like Phoebe’s “therapist”if one was a co-worker in that environment so it takes someone with your education and perspective to speak out about what you see as part of the problem.
I’m shocked that one can qualify as a clinician with only a BS. No way anyone could be prepared to do anything but basic counseling with that limited education in my opinion. I sure couldn’t. So there’s a big problem from the start. Although even at that point in my education and experience, I knew to take EVERY suicide ideation seriously. At the very least her therapist should have gone forward with crisis intervention protocol.
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