when you could count the frames as they came. 😅 My parents were luddites about computers and only bought the oldest most outdated thing they could to send an email. Janes Naval Fighter was a fun slide show on an old 133mhz pentium without acceleration.
This is the best video that shows summary of what you are getting into if you are into retro PC gaming. Everyone should watch this. This is the pain an joy that we all go through, but that is why we love it. Thank you!
If someone’s not losing their mind while pursuing a special interest then it’s not a special interest. Thanks for the vid, sorry for your frustrations, keep chalking it up to battle scars👍 edit lol@the stage of a retro project when the drinks start to flow. In my frequent experience of this phase, there’s a 25 minute window during which inspiration strikes and the solution becomes clear. If I miss the window I’ll probably terminally fry the system somehow, or decide to rip open a mint New In Box vintage item to harvest a resistor with pliers to put in the project in progress (then solder it poorly, and terminally fry the system).
As I recall, my first build that I equiped for 3D was a Pentium MMX 166 that I had an original 3DFX Voodoo with an S3 Trio64, Soundblaster Awe32, and a Roland LAPC-i. This was around 1997. Later around 1999, I upgraded to an AMD K6 with a Voodoo 3500, same two sound cards.
@@dallesamllhals9161 You and likely most of the people watching this video. I went through the pain of installing games on my 286 too :)) The point was, considering the video content it was brutally obvious he meant hardware accelerated 3D lol
Man, I remember when I built a retro win98 machine. So excited to play some old games, and then the errors and crashes happened. And then a flood of all the suppressed memories hit me like a ton of bricks. I was like: "Nope! I'm installing Win2000." But it's still retro since it came out only 1 year after win98se. I never looked back. Nostalgia is blind sometimes.
those WD caviar drives just sound so good and the power-on sound is really cool. my first family pc had a 1GB version and i remember any other computer sounded fragile and weedy by comparison. but it was also one of two drives i have ever had fail on me and other examples don’t seem to have survived very well either.
Okay. So you’ve established the 3Dfx card works when you’re in DOS, where an app with a Glide renderer - which probably reaches out and pokes registers on the card in a way so direct it’s horrifying to modern sensibilities - functions as well as a Pentium 75 allows. Swapping the 2D card was a good idea because I DO vaguely remember some S3 cards being twitchy about 3Dfx and add-in cards. But the PCX2 also getting disagreeable suggests there’s something borky about the motherboard drivers, which could be an enduring, infuriating source of woe in Win9x. Is there any way you can verify the drivers in the machine are the last, best versions? I never played with a PCX2 but 3Dfx cards reliably only needed a memory range to properly function, and I’d guess there’s either a driver or dumb low level system setting keeping that from properly working. For other people playing at home the usual other rules apply: always install the latest version of DirectX, install the 2D card drivers, then the 3Dfx drivers last. It was cool seeing a Riva128 in action, though their reputation for needing a decently beefy CPU for ideal performance looks like it’s borne out here. At least Quake II was pretty while it chugged!
regarding "which probably reaches out and pokes registers on the card in a way so direct it’s horrifying to modern sensibilities" DOS Games usually used 3dfx provided libraries, (either Glide2x.ovl or glide2x.lib), which one being chosen depending on how the game wanted to use it. the OVL file was an overlay file which was a sort of crude method of dynamically loading code at run-time- sort of like a DOS DLL. conversely, glide2x.lib would end up effectively being embedded into the executable. In either case, though, the game code itself would effectively just utilize the documented functions of the Glide libraries. Of course what those glide libraries did internally was probably similar to some of the tasks done by say the Windows Drivers.
@@BCProgramming Ah, that makes sense. I think I was conflating the auto-detect methods a handful of games did to find the 3Dfx hardware with the relatively sane behavior you described. It’s been a lot of years, and I was in high school during the company’s glory days.
@@BCProgramming 3DFX Glide was all about low level direct access, which is why up to the Voodoo2, 3DFX cards were purely memory mapped I/O devices. The card(s) just sat in a region of memory and the cards were directly addressed. This is why SLI doesn't work on those cards in Windows NT based operating systems, because realmode direct hardware access was no longer allowed.
Nathan I am *thrilled* to see Whiplash running on your Voodoo! I previously thought that the Glide build of Whiplash was only available in its Fatal Racing form from Europe. I played that game as a child on our Cyrix 6X86MX PR200 with an SiS 626 4MB PCI card. And it was an absolute slideshow. Gosh what I wouldn't give to play that smoothly.
I rebuilt myself 2 vintage computers... a K6-2 400 @ 66mhz on an Intel chipset with a voodoo3 and a K6-2 450 @ 100 on a via chipset and ATI Rage 128... I am born in 83 so I grew up starting to see the 486 and a K6 233 was my first build as a kid with later a diamond monster voodoo1. Rebuilding those vintage computers... what a nightmare. took me months of pain and reformating till I got it right with all the drivers... specially the via chipset with a usb card... that one was another nightmare. Every time I Installed a USB Driver, or a different one for the card... Win98 threw in the towel and I needed to reformat. 10 reformats later, I tried ME and that worked fine. The one with the intel chipset has a USB onboard which worked fine right out of the box.
Gotta love playing around with old hardware and lose an entire day to do a 30min task. I just spent the better part of the weekend setting up a Voodoo 2 on a Pentium 3, and every time I solved a problem, two others would pop up. But everything is finally working! Well, except for a missing ISA slot yet to be soldered, a hole for air cooling to be drilled on the side panel, and a 2nd Voodoo 2 for SLI because why not?
two things to check with ur ram - make sure they are not upside down - dont laugh its easy to do and secondly and go around with ur multimeter in continunity mode under the scope touch the top of the leg and the pad to check they are all soldered on correctly - i had only one leg not soldered properly which stuffed the card up - i touched it up and it worked properly
It was a lot more entertaining to see you descend into madness, than to have it done myself. Which I do on a regular basis. For instance, this motherboard with a Via Apollo Pro 133T chipset, which every time I install video card drivers, the disk access speed grinds to a crawl - no matter what the video card and which drivers those are.
I clearly recall my Voodoo experience on a Pentium II machine. Putting aside my Voodoo Rush false start (I hated it and had it replaced with a 'full' Voodoo after just a week) it was pure magic. I remember I wanted to share this experience with my cousin who had a Pentium 100 with a simple S3 Trio64 card. I took my Voodoo out and took it with me when we were visiting his place. The installation process was rather uneventful but when eventually I launched a game, oh my gosh how slow it was! Unreal spat out very stable 0.5 FPS (albeit with all the details cranked up to 11). Other simpler games such as Motorhead or Tomb Raider ran much faster but still nothing to write home about. Let's face it, to fully experience the benefits of having a 3dfx card you really should have at least a Pentium 200+ or even a Pentium II. Below 166 mark it doesn't even make a difference whether it's a Voodoo or a Voodoo2.
I used a 3dfx voodoo quite a lot on a 100mhz pentium. honestly it was an amazing upgrade with a bunch of games if they had glide patches. was fine for coding for it too. like playing quake on a 100mhz pentium with a voodoo etc. the later generation of games that were meant to require a 3d accelerator didn't fare as well on it. (well it was a 90mhz pentium but oc'd to 100).
I was always under the impression that a Pentium 90 would be the bare minimum to run a Voodoo 1 (at least in Windows). But realistically, you'd want a 133Mhz or higher... So, it is probably not your 3dfx card's fault... :P
Ah I remember the good ol’ Windows 95 days. You had a lot more patience than I ever did. When I ran into problems like that I just reformatted my hard drive and reinstalled Windows 95 and software. Many a night staying up till 3 AM just to get a stupid game to run. 😅
Ah these days - I had a Voodoomania Voodoo1 on my Cyrix 6x86 PR 150+. Ran at 120 Mhz when I remember correctly, but its FPU really sucks so the experience was simmilar 😂 Tomb Raider and NFS2SE ran fine but I upgraded the CPU soon after to unleash its potential.
I'm thinking slot placement IRQ sharing issues, while PCI is supposed to work fine with sharing IRQs, it often doesn't - and if less than 4 IRQs are available to map to PCI, the sharing gets worse
Woe betide anyone who wants to get into this weird space between classic floppy disk DOS gaming (pretty much works) and Windows 98 gaming (pretty much works). If you were there at the time it doesn't help much. It's also a unique period of gaming where half the gaming experience (the music) was on the CD so you pretty much needed it. It's also my favourite era. That Whiplash performance on a P75 is pretty impressive!
30:57 GL_RENDERER listed at the top of the screen is "RIVA 128/RIVA 128 ZX," not the 3Dfx card. Does he realize that by selecting "Default OpenGL," it's running on the nVidia card?
The game which is the most difficult get to run on a voodoo finally works? Fatal Racing / Whiplash is notoriously picky when it comes to the drivers. A bundled S3 cards with my voodoos for years, it certainly wasn't culprit.
I think the problem with the monitor going to sleep is that (unless I missed it) You haven't gone into the 3dfx voodoo settings and set the screen refresh rates to 60hz, so it's probably trying to run at either 72hz or 75hz and the monitor says "no can do". There is a no-cd patched exe out there for tomb raider, probably on Vogons at least. There is software called VMCTE that can test the EDO memory on 2d cards but for the voodoo cards You would need to remove it and fit in a S3 virge or similar that has expansion sockets. I fixed my Voodoo 1 this way.
I have a Voodoo Rush with the Macronix graphic chip. I've also never been able to get mine up and running properly, but I'm not even sure if that's because the card is faulty or because the only driver I found online was unofficial and came from some Eastern European website that looked like it was stuck in the 90's.
Now I’m curious about the reverse - run an OG Voodoo on a Core 2 Quad with PCI slots. Software rendering would almost certainly be higher quality and faster.
I had a 3d accelerator in the pentium pre 100mhz era. Can't remember if it was a 75 or 90.. i think a p90. I definitely had GLquake and some others running and the framerate was way better in windows. I want to say I had Q2 with an early voodoo, and I also want to say the 3dfx opengl always performed better and just default opengl wasn't great for me either, so I think you (maybe) still had some issues going on... but all of this is "i want to say" and "maybe i remember".. 25+ year old memories just aint what they used to be.. Still a very fun video and I love watching people mess around with old hardware!
My similiar system works great for many years. It has K6 380, 196MB ram, 2D Hercules,3D Orchid Voodoo,SB AWE64 Gold,Roland Sound Module SC-88Pro,Win95 :D
My first first real deal GPU was my Voodoo 3000! Played doom on it first time and blown my mind 😱😱😱🔥🔥 played unreal wow it was fire i had it on my Patrick Bell 120mhz
Why try running it on a slow CPU to begin with? In 1997 I bought my first computer, it had a Pentium 166mhz processor with MMX. A month later I bought a Monster 3D Voodoo 1, it was plug and play and it worked flawlessly!
о да, часто бывает что бы заставить работать 3dfx на старом железе надо пройти еще тот квест, перепробовать кучу драйверов, бывает не совместимость с 2d картами или еще чем....glquake то же разных версий бывает, и далеко не все работают на 3dfx...люблю я это веселье))) под дос советую еще в качестве теста использовать игру MDK она менее требовательна и часто работает даже на проблемном железе)))
fun fact, you can install a voodoo2 for example into a modern system that still has pci slots, hook up it's passthrough and etc as intended, and it totally detects the card and pushes the display just as expected and intended, hehe. no real way to have an effective driver or make real use of the card, but still, hehe... EDIT: can even have something like a gtx285 as the main card, using adapters and converters and etc, and still takes it, heh.
Sorry, you need to format HDD and to install "new" Windows 9x for remove any abnormal 3dfx. If you can't solve, you bake 3dfx card on oven (do NOT use microwave!) due to VRAM issue. 🙂
@@dallesamllhals9161 Ok. My old GeForce 8800 GTS was died on dec 2008. 1 year later, I baked this old GPU at 200 ºC during 10 minutes in oven and it can back to the life! 😁🥰
Saying the Voodoo Rush is a Voodoo with "2D strapped on" is incorrect. The Voodoo Rush is a 2D card with 3D strapped on. The reason the FBI chip on the Rush is not the same as on a regular Voodoo, is because it is in fact not the same. The Voodoo FBI chip is routed through the Alliance 2D chip, which is why the Rush is slower than a regular Voodoo card. With how strangely your Rush card is behaving, I would suspect that you either have a broken trace somewhere between the memory and the TMU, or there's a loose/lifted pin on the TMU. There's also the possibility that there's a lifted pin between the FBI and TMU as well.
It could be something additionally defective with the card...or.....OR......... I'm really terrible at fixing things. I have literally zero confidence I did anything right here.
@@PixelPipes You got the memory chips on mostly right, I do think you used far too much heat though. Next time you should consider a really low melt solder like chipquik, or the chineseium equivalent if you're cheap like me lol. Especially so if you lifted a pad, having to run bodge wires is a pain. Before swapping more components, I'd recommend going over all of the traces and make sure they're good between the memory chips and the TMU. You should also check the pins on the TMU with a fine screwdriver or tweezers, gently push on each pin sideways and check for movement. If the legs move, they need to be reflowed.
Computers this old DO NOT detect the CD-Rom drive in BIOS (nor they need to). It's automatically picked up by Windows, or by the MS-DOS driver(which you need to install in the case of standalone DOS). Also, you might wanna look into 3dfx miniGL files / drivers in order to properly run the Quake games.. NOT Default OpenGL
eh get some solder paste, a syringe of it doesn't cost much, will last quite a few projects and keep for just about ever in a ziplock stored in the fridge. Just a little line across all the pads plop and reflow (since you're getting out the hot air anyway) clean up and done, you do have to watch out for loose solder balls if you use too much but for the most part the surface tension once melted will make it cling to the pins and pads, and if you do get balls its nothing some ISO and a brush wont take care of.
Don't feel bad im currently working on a dell optiplex 5040 and about ready to flip it out a window. While watching this. And all im trying to do is get a fresh i stall of windows 10 on a ssd computer just loves crashing.
I've already run a GeForce 2 MX 32 MB and ATI Radeon 9250 with 128 MB RAM (PCI Cards) in the 486 DX2 66. Now he at least has a DX4 with 100 MHz and a 3dfx Voodoo Rush. A few 3D titles are just playable with acceleration, but most remain below 20 FPS and are no fun. It's not really worth using a PC like this for serious 3D gaming. Except for early 3D DOS titles like Doom, Heretic, Hexen and so on, they run well with 75 FPS.
Voodoo card need to use 3dfx Mini GL driver in Quake and Quake 2 thats your problem there. I had Rush back in the day some game youll need copy the Glide and Glide 2 files in the game folder same with the mini GL driver. in Quake 2 if it does not show the 3dfx MINI GL your not running in hardware mode.. frankly the Voodoo Rush is pain to get working when you know what your doing. just toss in any of the million Voodoo 1 boards and call it day. btw you can find all the files Glide.dll, glide2.dll and the minigl.dll in the 3dfx system folder just copy these to your game folders. I ran 8MB Hercules Rush in Pentium 120Mhz pc back in the day... it was nice when it worked but just about every game needed something to get working, my later K6-2 400 i740 + Vodoo2 12MB worked much smoother that later became a Voodoo3 3000.
The GLQuake patcher is supposed to take care of this for you. Maybe my problem is I was using a demo version and not the full game since this machine wouldn't recognize any of my CD-ROM drives
oh god the Voodoo Rush... Havent finished watching but I had one a few years ago. I never got it 100% stable and working - sold it on. What a miserable gpu!!
Now get this video into context. When this kind of setup became avalible most people who bought it had no idea what they were buying. They saw magazine (the floppy book) articles telling them to go buy this. A computer that they may need to configure, may as well been the engineering deck on the Enterprise. few people had internet, less knew how to use it efficiently and there was much less of it. For lots of people computing was a brand new thing made of magic sparkles from unicorns. Others who used computers at work and though they knew how to use a PC were still left in the dark as they only knew how to use an application as it was already setup for use. I had great times and earned a lot of money.
worst case as a last ditch before contacting Bits Und Bolts, have you tried reflashing the vbios?, at BUB's advice its what saved my Daughterboard vers Voodoo Rush. but before going that route atleast try to trackdown the voodoo diag tools and run MOJO? it might give some idea what's going on w/ that rush.
My friend, this it totally useless video, unfortunately. It's just "beer test". First of all you should prepare working system that works like it should. Second... I understand that Pentium 75 is less then minimal system requirements and it is OK for "CPU performance dependency test", but in your case you have a lot of hardware and software issues that interfere with testing.
Absolutely thumbs down. You should install Win95 for. this cpu. You should start from the dos. I have the same P75 with voodoo rush and It's working without any issue... Being drunk It's not something that is funny in 2024. It's something that you should consider to get help with...
At least you captured the 90's computing experience perfectly. 😁
when you could count the frames as they came. 😅 My parents were luddites about computers and only bought the oldest most outdated thing they could to send an email. Janes Naval Fighter was a fun slide show on an old 133mhz pentium without acceleration.
This is the best video that shows summary of what you are getting into if you are into retro PC gaming. Everyone should watch this. This is the pain an joy that we all go through, but that is why we love it. Thank you!
If someone’s not losing their mind while pursuing a special interest then it’s not a special interest. Thanks for the vid, sorry for your frustrations, keep chalking it up to battle scars👍
edit lol@the stage of a retro project when the drinks start to flow. In my frequent experience of this phase, there’s a 25 minute window during which inspiration strikes and the solution becomes clear. If I miss the window I’ll probably terminally fry the system somehow, or decide to rip open a mint New In Box vintage item to harvest a resistor with pliers to put in the project in progress (then solder it poorly, and terminally fry the system).
As I recall, my first build that I equiped for 3D was a Pentium MMX 166 that I had an original 3DFX Voodoo with an S3 Trio64, Soundblaster Awe32, and a Roland LAPC-i. This was around 1997. Later around 1999, I upgraded to an AMD K6 with a Voodoo 3500, same two sound cards.
This is the essence of retro computing! If it goes smoothly, you're just lucky!
Please do more like this. Really unlocked some core memories for me. :)
for me retro gaming is 99% hard liquor 1% gaming
this... is too relatable... though I would broaden it to retro hardware.
Yeah that drunken moment ur like hmm I wanna play that old game but win 10 can't play anything 16 bit😢
I wonder if Bits und Bolts could get the Rush working. He does a lot of Voodoo card repairs.
He probably could
Ah who misses that classic Win95 era PC experience right? Don't all rush at once!
The best thing about retro pcs is how eagerly helpful they are when you've momentarily lost the encyclopedic knowledge required to operate them 😅
20:40 Finally! We've ALL been there 😀
3D Graphics on a 75Mhz Pentium. Good times. 😂
3D HW-Accelerated graphics you mean?
@@dallesamllhals9161 Like that needed to be said
@@DD-jk3nf Erh, i played games with 3D before Voodoo came in '96!
P100 and Diamond Monster Voodoo1 was my combo back then (some generic Cirrus Login, 2MB VGA card for 2D). Good times indeed. 🤩
@@dallesamllhals9161 You and likely most of the people watching this video. I went through the pain of installing games on my 286 too :)) The point was, considering the video content it was brutally obvious he meant hardware accelerated 3D lol
I thought I had a bad time getting Ati's Mobility M3 up and running but this is next level. The proper 90's experience 😂
Now people know the hell I go through getting old pc to run
But - but You ♥ IT! 😛
Man, I remember when I built a retro win98 machine. So excited to play some old games, and then the errors and crashes happened. And then a flood of all the suppressed memories hit me like a ton of bricks. I was like: "Nope! I'm installing Win2000." But it's still retro since it came out only 1 year after win98se. I never looked back. Nostalgia is blind sometimes.
Dual boot Win2K and DOS 6.22 here 'cause lazy and needed USB 2.0 PCI-card working on my OLD Socket 7.
those WD caviar drives just sound so good and the power-on sound is really cool. my first family pc had a 1GB version and i remember any other computer sounded fragile and weedy by comparison.
but it was also one of two drives i have ever had fail on me and other examples don’t seem to have survived very well either.
It's a good thing you had enough beer for this project, just enough to hear that click.
Okay. So you’ve established the 3Dfx card works when you’re in DOS, where an app with a Glide renderer - which probably reaches out and pokes registers on the card in a way so direct it’s horrifying to modern sensibilities - functions as well as a Pentium 75 allows. Swapping the 2D card was a good idea because I DO vaguely remember some S3 cards being twitchy about 3Dfx and add-in cards. But the PCX2 also getting disagreeable suggests there’s something borky about the motherboard drivers, which could be an enduring, infuriating source of woe in Win9x. Is there any way you can verify the drivers in the machine are the last, best versions? I never played with a PCX2 but 3Dfx cards reliably only needed a memory range to properly function, and I’d guess there’s either a driver or dumb low level system setting keeping that from properly working.
For other people playing at home the usual other rules apply: always install the latest version of DirectX, install the 2D card drivers, then the 3Dfx drivers last. It was cool seeing a Riva128 in action, though their reputation for needing a decently beefy CPU for ideal performance looks like it’s borne out here. At least Quake II was pretty while it chugged!
regarding "which probably reaches out and pokes registers on the card in a way so direct it’s horrifying to modern sensibilities" DOS Games usually used 3dfx provided libraries, (either Glide2x.ovl or glide2x.lib), which one being chosen depending on how the game wanted to use it. the OVL file was an overlay file which was a sort of crude method of dynamically loading code at run-time- sort of like a DOS DLL. conversely, glide2x.lib would end up effectively being embedded into the executable. In either case, though, the game code itself would effectively just utilize the documented functions of the Glide libraries. Of course what those glide libraries did internally was probably similar to some of the tasks done by say the Windows Drivers.
@@BCProgramming Ah, that makes sense. I think I was conflating the auto-detect methods a handful of games did to find the 3Dfx hardware with the relatively sane behavior you described. It’s been a lot of years, and I was in high school during the company’s glory days.
@@BCProgramming 3DFX Glide was all about low level direct access, which is why up to the Voodoo2, 3DFX cards were purely memory mapped I/O devices. The card(s) just sat in a region of memory and the cards were directly addressed. This is why SLI doesn't work on those cards in Windows NT based operating systems, because realmode direct hardware access was no longer allowed.
Nathan I am *thrilled* to see Whiplash running on your Voodoo! I previously thought that the Glide build of Whiplash was only available in its Fatal Racing form from Europe. I played that game as a child on our Cyrix 6X86MX PR200 with an SiS 626 4MB PCI card. And it was an absolute slideshow. Gosh what I wouldn't give to play that smoothly.
I thought it was the other way around. They made a Whiplash patch but the Fatal Racing version didn't come about until a fan-made version was made.
I rebuilt myself 2 vintage computers... a K6-2 400 @ 66mhz on an Intel chipset with a voodoo3 and a K6-2 450 @ 100 on a via chipset and ATI Rage 128...
I am born in 83 so I grew up starting to see the 486 and a K6 233 was my first build as a kid with later a diamond monster voodoo1.
Rebuilding those vintage computers... what a nightmare. took me months of pain and reformating till I got it right with all the drivers... specially the via chipset with a usb card... that one was another nightmare. Every time I Installed a USB Driver, or a different one for the card... Win98 threw in the towel and I needed to reformat. 10 reformats later, I tried ME and that worked fine.
The one with the intel chipset has a USB onboard which worked fine right out of the box.
Gotta love playing around with old hardware and lose an entire day to do a 30min task. I just spent the better part of the weekend setting up a Voodoo 2 on a Pentium 3, and every time I solved a problem, two others would pop up. But everything is finally working! Well, except for a missing ISA slot yet to be soldered, a hole for air cooling to be drilled on the side panel, and a 2nd Voodoo 2 for SLI because why not?
two things to check with ur ram - make sure they are not upside down - dont laugh its easy to do and secondly and go around with ur multimeter in continunity mode under the scope touch the top of the leg and the pad to check they are all soldered on correctly - i had only one leg not soldered properly which stuffed the card up - i touched it up and it worked properly
It was a lot more entertaining to see you descend into madness, than to have it done myself. Which I do on a regular basis.
For instance, this motherboard with a Via Apollo Pro 133T chipset, which every time I install video card drivers, the disk access speed grinds to a crawl - no matter what the video card and which drivers those are.
Fond memories of my P75 back in the 90s
I clearly recall my Voodoo experience on a Pentium II machine. Putting aside my Voodoo Rush false start (I hated it and had it replaced with a 'full' Voodoo after just a week) it was pure magic. I remember I wanted to share this experience with my cousin who had a Pentium 100 with a simple S3 Trio64 card. I took my Voodoo out and took it with me when we were visiting his place. The installation process was rather uneventful but when eventually I launched a game, oh my gosh how slow it was! Unreal spat out very stable 0.5 FPS (albeit with all the details cranked up to 11). Other simpler games such as Motorhead or Tomb Raider ran much faster but still nothing to write home about. Let's face it, to fully experience the benefits of having a 3dfx card you really should have at least a Pentium 200+ or even a Pentium II. Below 166 mark it doesn't even make a difference whether it's a Voodoo or a Voodoo2.
great times! just imagine it was a 386 and you were leaning in moving jumpers
I used a 3dfx voodoo quite a lot on a 100mhz pentium. honestly it was an amazing upgrade with a bunch of games if they had glide patches. was fine for coding for it too.
like playing quake on a 100mhz pentium with a voodoo etc. the later generation of games that were meant to require a 3d accelerator didn't fare as well on it.
(well it was a 90mhz pentium but oc'd to 100).
I was always under the impression that a Pentium 90 would be the bare minimum to run a Voodoo 1 (at least in Windows). But realistically, you'd want a 133Mhz or higher...
So, it is probably not your 3dfx card's fault... :P
A voodoo banshee was my favorite voodoo card.
Strangely I sort of know this feeling because I have a PCI voodoo 3 card on my ~600MHz AMD system
Ah I remember the good ol’ Windows 95 days. You had a lot more patience than I ever did. When I ran into problems like that I just reformatted my hard drive and reinstalled Windows 95 and software. Many a night staying up till 3 AM just to get a stupid game to run. 😅
Ah these days - I had a Voodoomania Voodoo1 on my Cyrix 6x86 PR 150+. Ran at 120 Mhz when I remember correctly, but its FPU really sucks so the experience was simmilar 😂 Tomb Raider and NFS2SE ran fine but I upgraded the CPU soon after to unleash its potential.
@@pc-sound-legacy I had the P166. Wasn't much better! Was lucky to get maybe 25-35 fps in Quake at 512*384
Can you upgrade that cpu in each step and see when this voodoo card runs great again. Really like to know when the cpu bottleneck is gone.
Yeeeaaaah, I'm reaaally tempted to do a part 2 video, and this might be a fun idea
I'm thinking slot placement IRQ sharing issues, while PCI is supposed to work fine with sharing IRQs, it often doesn't - and if less than 4 IRQs are available to map to PCI, the sharing gets worse
I didn't mention it but I did try switching slots, but a Voodoo doesn't need an IRQ, just a memory address
Woe betide anyone who wants to get into this weird space between classic floppy disk DOS gaming (pretty much works) and Windows 98 gaming (pretty much works). If you were there at the time it doesn't help much. It's also a unique period of gaming where half the gaming experience (the music) was on the CD so you pretty much needed it. It's also my favourite era. That Whiplash performance on a P75 is pretty impressive!
Oh yeah. You're definitely gonna want at least a 133mhz Pentium for a Voodoo.
Did you try different 3dfx driver versions?
30:57 GL_RENDERER listed at the top of the screen is "RIVA 128/RIVA 128 ZX," not the 3Dfx card. Does he realize that by selecting "Default OpenGL," it's running on the nVidia card?
I had taken out the Voodoo by then
Voodoo rush... Ah what a rush!
Looking forward to a 25 yr retrospective of the Geforce 256 soon!
I did one! It was just four years too early: th-cam.com/video/xde7dz7sexg/w-d-xo.html
The game which is the most difficult get to run on a voodoo finally works?
Fatal Racing / Whiplash is notoriously picky when it comes to the drivers.
A bundled S3 cards with my voodoos for years, it certainly wasn't culprit.
I think the problem with the monitor going to sleep is that (unless I missed it) You haven't gone into the 3dfx voodoo settings and set the screen refresh rates to 60hz, so it's probably trying to run at either 72hz or 75hz and the monitor says "no can do". There is a no-cd patched exe out there for tomb raider, probably on Vogons at least. There is software called VMCTE that can test the EDO memory on 2d cards but for the voodoo cards You would need to remove it and fit in a S3 virge or similar that has expansion sockets. I fixed my Voodoo 1 this way.
I have a Voodoo Rush with the Macronix graphic chip. I've also never been able to get mine up and running properly, but I'm not even sure if that's because the card is faulty or because the only driver I found online was unofficial and came from some Eastern European website that looked like it was stuck in the 90's.
Now I’m curious about the reverse - run an OG Voodoo on a Core 2 Quad with PCI slots. Software rendering would almost certainly be higher quality and faster.
I had a 3d accelerator in the pentium pre 100mhz era. Can't remember if it was a 75 or 90.. i think a p90. I definitely had GLquake and some others running and the framerate was way better in windows. I want to say I had Q2 with an early voodoo, and I also want to say the 3dfx opengl always performed better and just default opengl wasn't great for me either, so I think you (maybe) still had some issues going on... but all of this is "i want to say" and "maybe i remember".. 25+ year old memories just aint what they used to be.. Still a very fun video and I love watching people mess around with old hardware!
HUSH NOW! STOP making it sound like we're getting OLD?!?
I did this with a 133mhz pentium on win95, somehow everything worked well, my most traumatic experience was enabling SLI on early Nvidia boards.
My similiar system works great for many years. It has K6 380, 196MB ram, 2D Hercules,3D Orchid Voodoo,SB AWE64 Gold,Roland Sound Module SC-88Pro,Win95 :D
My first first real deal GPU was my Voodoo 3000! Played doom on it first time and blown my mind 😱😱😱🔥🔥 played unreal wow it was fire i had it on my Patrick Bell 120mhz
Maybe bad Capacitors could be causing these weird issues or it could be software issues like you were saying.
Can you use voodoo with windows 10?
Quake 2 was showing GL_Renderer as the nvidia card and not the voodoo and the setting was defualt openGL and not 3dfx openGL
the 3dfx card was not present in the machine with the Riva 128
Opengl patch for Windows 95?
You're going to have to find the glide patches.. these are all software rendered.
Most people would have run Quake and Quake 2 at 512x384 back then. I ran it on Cyrix P166, so I'm surprised your frame rate is so low
Why try running it on a slow CPU to begin with? In 1997 I bought my first computer, it had a Pentium 166mhz processor with MMX. A month later I bought a Monster 3D Voodoo 1, it was plug and play and it worked flawlessly!
why? well given the struggles I had, it's clearly because I must hate myself
what motherboard/chipset is it? sorry if I missed that
I thought this was LGR for how you sound while talking with your hands
о да, часто бывает что бы заставить работать 3dfx на старом железе надо пройти еще тот квест, перепробовать кучу драйверов, бывает не совместимость с 2d картами или еще чем....glquake то же разных версий бывает, и далеко не все работают на 3dfx...люблю я это веселье))) под дос советую еще в качестве теста использовать игру MDK она менее требовательна и часто работает даже на проблемном железе)))
just like in the olden days
I think SOJ is one of the most annoying chip packages to hand solder. I am not counting BGA because that is basically impossible.
fun fact, you can install a voodoo2 for example into a modern system that still has pci slots, hook up it's passthrough and etc as intended, and it totally detects the card and pushes the display just as expected and intended, hehe. no real way to have an effective driver or make real use of the card, but still, hehe...
EDIT: can even have something like a gtx285 as the main card, using adapters and converters and etc, and still takes it, heh.
Sorry, you need to format HDD and to install "new" Windows 9x for remove any abnormal 3dfx. If you can't solve, you bake 3dfx card on oven (do NOT use microwave!) due to VRAM issue. 🙂
Heatgun > Baking in oven - Trust me😛
@@dallesamllhals9161 Ok. My old GeForce 8800 GTS was died on dec 2008. 1 year later, I baked this old GPU at 200 ºC during 10 minutes in oven and it can back to the life! 😁🥰
Saying the Voodoo Rush is a Voodoo with "2D strapped on" is incorrect. The Voodoo Rush is a 2D card with 3D strapped on. The reason the FBI chip on the Rush is not the same as on a regular Voodoo, is because it is in fact not the same.
The Voodoo FBI chip is routed through the Alliance 2D chip, which is why the Rush is slower than a regular Voodoo card.
With how strangely your Rush card is behaving, I would suspect that you either have a broken trace somewhere between the memory and the TMU, or there's a loose/lifted pin on the TMU. There's also the possibility that there's a lifted pin between the FBI and TMU as well.
It could be something additionally defective with the card...or.....OR......... I'm really terrible at fixing things. I have literally zero confidence I did anything right here.
@@PixelPipes You got the memory chips on mostly right, I do think you used far too much heat though. Next time you should consider a really low melt solder like chipquik, or the chineseium equivalent if you're cheap like me lol. Especially so if you lifted a pad, having to run bodge wires is a pain.
Before swapping more components, I'd recommend going over all of the traces and make sure they're good between the memory chips and the TMU. You should also check the pins on the TMU with a fine screwdriver or tweezers, gently push on each pin sideways and check for movement. If the legs move, they need to be reflowed.
3DFx and Glide was far superior for the time - It is sad that this became unsupported...
Computers this old DO NOT detect the CD-Rom drive in BIOS (nor they need to).
It's automatically picked up by Windows, or by the MS-DOS driver(which you need to install in the case of standalone DOS).
Also, you might wanna look into 3dfx miniGL files / drivers in order to properly run the Quake games.. NOT Default OpenGL
Nah it wasn't picked up in Windows either. It's some dumb limitation of this particular board
eh get some solder paste, a syringe of it doesn't cost much, will last quite a few projects and keep for just about ever in a ziplock stored in the fridge. Just a little line across all the pads plop and reflow (since you're getting out the hot air anyway) clean up and done, you do have to watch out for loose solder balls if you use too much but for the most part the surface tension once melted will make it cling to the pins and pads, and if you do get balls its nothing some ISO and a brush wont take care of.
Don't feel bad im currently working on a dell optiplex 5040 and about ready to flip it out a window. While watching this. And all im trying to do is get a fresh i stall of windows 10 on a ssd computer just loves crashing.
I've already run a GeForce 2 MX 32 MB and ATI Radeon 9250 with 128 MB RAM (PCI Cards) in the 486 DX2 66. Now he at least has a DX4 with 100 MHz and a 3dfx Voodoo Rush. A few 3D titles are just playable with acceleration, but most remain below 20 FPS and are no fun. It's not really worth using a PC like this for serious 3D gaming. Except for early 3D DOS titles like Doom, Heretic, Hexen and so on, they run well with 75 FPS.
Oh old pc's...yeah. IF things were stable you didn't touch them for a reason. IF you had to make chances...the pain, the horror!
We have to try Voodooo on 486 😂
Voodoo card need to use 3dfx Mini GL driver in Quake and Quake 2 thats your problem there. I had Rush back in the day some game youll need copy the Glide and Glide 2 files in the game folder same with the mini GL driver. in Quake 2 if it does not show the 3dfx MINI GL your not running in hardware mode.. frankly the Voodoo Rush is pain to get working when you know what your doing. just toss in any of the million Voodoo 1 boards and call it day. btw you can find all the files Glide.dll, glide2.dll and the minigl.dll in the 3dfx system folder just copy these to your game folders. I ran 8MB Hercules Rush in Pentium 120Mhz pc back in the day... it was nice when it worked but just about every game needed something to get working, my later K6-2 400 i740 + Vodoo2 12MB worked much smoother that later became a Voodoo3 3000.
The GLQuake patcher is supposed to take care of this for you. Maybe my problem is I was using a demo version and not the full game since this machine wouldn't recognize any of my CD-ROM drives
@@PixelPipes yeah not for the Rush for some reason s
gostei da MPB de musica de fundo do vídeo kkk ... tenho um 233mhz pentium mmx com uma voodoo 3, mas so de enfeite kkk
Consider doing some archaeology videos covering the systems you picked up? And to keep in topic: test how terrible that graphics cards are. 😂
YEY!!! New video and also first comment
oh god the Voodoo Rush... Havent finished watching but I had one a few years ago. I never got it 100% stable and working - sold it on. What a miserable gpu!!
Now try an S3 ViRGE and compare 😂 Probably the same framerate as CPU rasterization on a P75.
We gonna talk about the fact the worst 3D chip in the world is on that Voodoo Rush, The Alliance aT3D?
надо было сразу оперативки добавить 32 мегабайта, чтобы игры запускались в windows. для TR есть эмулятор CD в DOS.
Solder paste and quality flux.
You call that masochism? Clearly you haven't had the nightmare of resoldering Banshee SGRAM 🤣🤣🤣
Now get this video into context. When this kind of setup became avalible most people who bought it had no idea what they were buying. They saw magazine (the floppy book) articles telling them to go buy this. A computer that they may need to configure, may as well been the engineering deck on the Enterprise. few people had internet, less knew how to use it efficiently and there was much less of it. For lots of people computing was a brand new thing made of magic sparkles from unicorns. Others who used computers at work and though they knew how to use a PC were still left in the dark as they only knew how to use an application as it was already setup for use. I had great times and earned a lot of money.
worst case as a last ditch before contacting Bits Und Bolts, have you tried reflashing the vbios?, at BUB's advice its what saved my Daughterboard vers Voodoo Rush. but before going that route atleast try to trackdown the voodoo diag tools and run MOJO? it might give some idea what's going on w/ that rush.
A 40 minute "fragment" lol
And many hours irl 😭
wait a fuking second! FATAL RACING its called WIPLASH?! HOW! i got a rare copy or what?
It has a diffrent name in north America.
You just dont run voodoo rush on p2 system with intel chipset. try it on whatever via or ali chipset instead.
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My friend, this it totally useless video, unfortunately. It's just "beer test". First of all you should prepare working system that works like it should. Second... I understand that Pentium 75 is less then minimal system requirements and it is OK for "CPU performance dependency test", but in your case you have a lot of hardware and software issues that interfere with testing.
It's not easy showing my failures but I think some people might learn something from my struggles. Or at least laugh at my expense.
@@PixelPipes i'm sorry, but i do not understand what can we learn? It's just not working
Absolutely thumbs down. You should install Win95 for. this cpu. You should start from the dos. I have the same P75 with voodoo rush and It's working without any issue... Being drunk It's not something that is funny in 2024. It's something that you should consider to get help with...