I can empathize with Johnny to a certain degree. I once had to turn down a full scholarship to a well-known seminary because I couldn't commit to affirming the doctrine of the Trinity in writing. Fortunately, I didn't face the same struggle as Johnny, having completed all his courses only to have his degree revoked. However, I imagine that the knowledge and experiences he gained at Dallas serve him well even now, regardless of a paper certificate hanging on his wall. In my case, it was probably for the best, as I might have tried to convert the entire seminary and ended up facing institutional martyrdom in the process, which would have been my own doing for signing that document. I've given up much more for my Unitarian beliefs than just a scholarship, but despite all the sacrifices, I praise God for not allowing me to stay trapped in victimhood and resentment. My deepest desire is for my faith to be anchored in love rather than driven by past traumas. This is my hope for all Unitarian Christians who have endured persecution for their beliefs.
I remember Johnny from Impact at Texas A&M! We were prayer team members together. I am sorry to hear of the difficulties he's had to endure. Much love to you, Johnny, from Marc
How can a seminary take your money and not give you anything in return. Sounds like theft. The certificate does not say what you believe but what you have been taught. At least an accompanying letter could be given stating that the holder does not believe such and such a doctrine. Anyone wanting to employ someone like Johnny could ask appropriate questions, but anyway would a Unitarian want to deceive his employer.
It does seem like theft. If you take away the degree you either have to help see the credits transfer or give a refund. Your proposal seems like a perfectly reasonable way to handle it to me.
It is ironic that Peter, or Paul, and even Lord Jesus Himself would not be able to graduate from DTS.....Paul teaches that the test of being in the faith is that Christ is living in us personally, and corporately with spiritual fruit bearing, love and good works ....and Lord Jesus affirms that we will all be taught by God about His Son....
The JPS leaves Isaiah 9:6 as one long Hebrew name: And his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom; - with a footnote that says -that is: Wonderful in counsel is God, the Mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace. Clearly a name glorifying God, what a great name!
@ Thanks Sam; and thanks for so much content lately! Could do that here I suppose Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty; the Everlasting Father is the Ruler of Peace. Something like that. Either way we agree, I think it is a theophoric name and not a description of what the human child is; rather what he is a sign of.
The Stone Edition Tanach of Isaiah 9:6 reads: For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
@@mitchellc4That is false, all the titles are one name which belongs to the child. Gews and unitarians will do literally anything to get away from what the text actually says. If you had any understanding of how kingship functioned in Egypt and the ancient Near East, you would immediately spot what’s going on with that name in Isaiah 9:6. Kings from that part of the world would usually have two types of names. They would have a birth name and then they would have something called a “Throne name”. Sometimes, the throne name would be a combination of multiple titles and would be quite long. But it was all one name. An example for you would be the “Throne name” of Ramses II, the Pharaoh of the exodus. Ramses was his birth name, but his throne name was “Usermaatra-setepenra-Ramessu-meryamen”. It is translated as “Powerful one of Ma’at, the Justice of Ra is Powerful, chosen of Ra, Ra bore him, beloved of Amun”. Those 5 names are put together to form one name. If you also look at the treaty concluded between Ramses II and the Hittite king Hattusili III you would see that the Hititite king refers to him not by his birth name Ramses but by his Throne name. The hittite version of the treaty calls Ramses by the ‘name’ not names “Washmuaria-Shatepnaria-Riamashesha-Maiamana” this is the Hittite translation of “Usermaatra-setepenra Ramessu-meryamen”. If you look at the names of kings from ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia whose inscriptions have survived, you would find out that they often have a “Throne name” or “Royal name” which is different from their birth name. What Isaiah gives you in chapter 9:6 is the child’s Throne name. The entire thing is the child’s name, not some of it, but the whole thing. This thing of trying to cut the name into bits is just stupid. The child is called Peleo Yoetz-El gibbor-Avi Ad-Sar Shalom. That is his name.
From 54:57 talking about John 10:33, the indefinite article 'a', that is before 'God', is actually misleading. Given the Jews 100% knew: - the Shema - Exodus 7:1 where Moses is also called God - the Jewish Principle of Agency (i.e. Shaliah/Shaliach) - that Jesus was talking about God, the Father, but they didn't believe him (verse 25) Then adding the word "a" suggests that Jesus could have been referring to a God other than Yahweh. So why did the Jews pick up stones? Both Jesus and the Jews can't be "one" with God, and also be in opposition and disagreement with each other. So either Jesus or the Jews were in error; God can't be in error. So picking up stones would resolve the error, and is the "moral" thing to do given Deuteronomy 13 Note the context: - In verse 25 Jesus claims the Jews did not believe him - In verse 28 Jesus claims to have an authoritative position. - In verse 29 Jesus claims God gave him that authoritative position. - In verse 30 Jesus is claiming to be "one" with God, in this authoritative position. - In verse 33 stones were picked up because (1) they disagreed with his words, (2) it is NOT possible for both the Jews and Jesus to be "one" with God and also be in opposition and disagreement with each other too. Can 'a' be replaced with 'as' in John 10:33? Don't let your allergy to all things trinity, distract you from a Yes!!! Verses 34-38 is explaining the established president, that they that truly represent God are as "sons of God". My two cents is either use 'as' instead of 'a', or remove the 'a' completely!
You're in good company. Peter and John were noted as being unlearned men. Also "But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers." Where the word Rabbi and Master (for education) have the exact same meaning. I'm still personally figuring out trinity stuff, but I agree that it is not as important of an issue as it is made out to be. I'm also fully on board with annihilationalism. It makes the most sense to me.
i can't remember, did you and Fr. Stephen or Tim Mackie ever talk about John 10:34-35? if not, reckon you should if you talk with either again. much love 🤙
Q. Could we discuss YHWH's Intentional location of Gath (Goliath) & Bethlehem (David) / AND Jerusalem & Nazareth in relation to the River Jordan ! Thomas
@transfigured3673 Thanks ! A&E left Eastward from Garden. Entrance to Most Holy Place -- Westward. Abraham called Westward from Ur. Bethlehem Star Westward. Israel went Eastward from Egypt. Jesus will return as Lightening from East to West. Lot went East from Abraham. Eastward = Sinful Way vs. Westward = Righteous Way. Goliath Eastward from Gath (birth) to his defeat at Valley of Elah vs. David Westward from Bethlehem (birth) to his VICTORY ! Zoom would be great to discuss further, Thomas ps -- why does Earth rotate Eastward while Sun (Mal.4:2) appears to move Westward ?
Wow, DTS and that church really handled these situations poorly. I'm reminded however that what we endure today is not to be compared to what will follow in the future (Rom 8:18). Thank you for having Johnny on to share his story. Also, I've heard Jn 10:34 brought up a few times in your videos with the interpretation that the gods of Ps 82 are human. If you haven't seen it already, Michael Heiser's paper on how John 10 squares with Ps 82 is a good read for another perspective. It's on his website "Jesus’ Quotation of Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34: A Different View of John‘s Theological Strategy" As a Biblical Unitarian myself I don’t align with all of Heiser’s takeaways there, but the gist that the elohim of Ps 82 are gods of the divine council is compelling and what that could mean when Jesus recalls it is intriguing. All the best Sam and I look forward to the next video!
1. Sean's reimagining of Isa 9:6 is based on an ancient anti-Christian view by medieval rabbis like Rashi. As noted in "The Messianic Hope Is the Hebrew Bible Really Messianic?" by Michael Rydelnik (2010) Today, evangelical scholarship has adopted variations of Rashi's historical interpretation. For example, John D. W. Watts writes of John Goldingay, "Goldingay has now resurrected a view held by many Jewish scholars of the medieval period, such as Rashi, that the first three pairs of names refer to God. It is he who names the prince of peace."1 Watts also denies the messianic nature of Isa 9:6, writing, "The verses do not function as messianic predictions in this context." Goldingay, in his commentary on Isaiah, adapts Rashi's view, taking all four couplets as descriptions of God (i.e., a theophor-ic name) rather than a description of the child. He writes, "It would be quite natural for this fourfold name in v. 6, too, to be a statement about God-and not a statement about this son." He concludes that the titles should be translated as one long, theophoric name of God: "A wonderful counselor is the Mighty God; the Everlasting Father is a Prince of Peace." 2. I have never read a scholar or seen a translation add air quotes to John 5:18! The popular view that Jesus was not against the Sabbath but so-called "human traditions" needs to clarification on the basis of how the Sabbath law was given by God and practiced by Israel. And the evidence shows that there is not one Old Testament reference Christians can point to where God authorized breaking the Sabbath for any reason, even “good” humanitarian works like healing. For more see jesuskingdomgospel.com/did-jesus-break-the-sabbath-or-human-traditions/
Thanks guys and your not alone LoL I appreciate you both and was the same way trinitarian for long time and I was reading the Bible alot and going to a trinitarian churchs massive amount of writing down what the pastor said and going home and Read and trying to figure out things and after all that time for a year now I've been a biblical Unitarian and I was hearing about them and comparing scriptures and no go, and the day l said Father I don't believe in the Trinity anymore and that day I was nervous about things but I went to TH-cam and typed in I don't believe in the Trinity anymore and the first video by a biblical Unitarian was my father is greater than I,I repented of course and the Father has been wonderful and I used to preach and teach on FB and I said I'm done with the Trinity and this year has been more learning than 24 years ago and I have all the biblical Unitarian sites and man I never even heard of it before but I'm all in and out of Trinitarian because One true God is it, and I still love the Lord Jesus and his Father is God period and his Son the Messiah, loving people is the second command but the first is far greater, thanks guys.yes they will be done with you for sure, remember if they hated you they hated Jesus first.
> Isaiah 9:6 Being A Prophecy. And The Prophecy Has Come True Of Him Being Named, Called Those Titles. Isaiah Said His Name Will Be Called. Isaiah Didn't Say He Will Be Those Positions. He'd Be Called Those Positions In Name Only.
@@transfigured3673 Fortunately, my wife and I were never trinitarians. We were independent Oneness for 35 years. The first 17 years I went to bible college part time. I worked full time and we were raising three children. When I discovered in 2019, that Jesus is not the Father, I told my wife. She was warey at first, but when I showed her the scriptures, she accepted it. We have no fellowship here, but I watch Living Hope, Restitutio, Biblical Unitarian Podcast, 21st Century Reformation, Transfigured, and others. My wife and I have devotional time together every day. We also study the NT a LOT. Thousands of hours in various translations for me. I really appreciate your interviews with Biblical Unitarians and am looking for more. Michael Anderson
@@transfigured3673 I am curious to know why you think that. They have three gods, They claim over and over profusely that Jesus is God. Their gospel is "Christians go to heaven, when they die." Matt 7.21-23 plus Jesus, Peter and Paul told us not to associate with idolaters. End of rant.
Only halfway through this and I need to take a break! I'm just astounded at the nastiness of how Johnny and his wife were treated, and suggesting that she should leave him. Wow. I guess "love your neighbor as yourself" only applies if the neighbor belongs to the "correct" club.
Yeshua Told The Jews (As The Word Of God) In Their Law He Said They Are Gods. - John 10:34 For Israel Use To Know that they Were Gods Of God. - Josh.22:22 John Wrote In The Greek That Yeshua Is "The Only Begotten God". - John 1:18 As God Calls His Children Gods. - Ps.82:6 *Mary Was The Surrogate Of The Holy Spirit Of Which Yeshua Was Born Of.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 - Well The Catholics Are Wrong Aren't They? Yeshua Told The Jews He Said In Their Law (As The Word Of God) That They Are Gods. - John 10:34 > As God Calls His Children Gods - Ps.82:6 > For Israel Use To Know They Were Gods Of God. - Josh.22:22 > But John Said In The Greek Yeshua Is The Only Begotten God" > John 1:18 > For All God's Other Children Are Adopted ( Except Yeshua) > Rom.8:14,15 "As Many As Are Led By The Spirit Of God These Are The Sons Of God. And Have Receive The Spirit Of Adoption. As The Israelites Did Also. - Rom.9:4 > Yeshua Isn't Adopted. He Is "The Only Begotten God" - John 1:18
1Jh5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Don't need a degree to understand that...
Jesus denied being God? John 8:58: Jesus declares, "Before Abraham was, I am." Here, Jesus uses the term "I AM," echoing God's self-revelation to Moses in Exodus 3:14 ("I AM WHO I AM"). This statement is a clear claim to pre-existence and divinity, as the Jews recognized this as a claim to be God and attempted to stone Him for blasphemy. John 10:30-33: Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." In response, the Jews again sought to stone Him, stating, "because you, being a man, make yourself God." This shows that Jesus' contemporaries understood Him to be claiming equality with God. Mark 14:61-64: During His trial, when asked if He was the Messiah, the Son of God, Jesus responds affirmatively, saying, "I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." This is a reference to Daniel 7:13-14, where the "Son of Man" is given authority, glory, and sovereign power over all nations - a role that only God holds. Forgiving sins: In Mark 2:5-7, Jesus forgives a man's sins, and the Pharisees object, saying, "Who can forgive sins but God alone?" By forgiving sins, Jesus was exercising a prerogative that was understood to belong to God alone. Raising the dead: Jesus raised several individuals from the dead, most notably Lazarus in John 11:43-44. His command over life and death points to divine authority, as this power over death is something attributed only to God in the Old Testament. Walking on water, calming the storm: In Matthew 14:25-33 and Mark 4:35-41, Jesus demonstrates authority over nature, another sign of His divine identity, as controlling creation is a divine act. John 20:28: After Jesus' resurrection, Thomas addresses Him as "My Lord and my God!" This declaration is not corrected by Jesus, showing that Jesus accepts worship and acknowledges His divine status.
Why can't people read the Bible and understand these scriptures? I have seen children cry their heart out when they find out their is NO SANTA. Think about an adult finding their is no trinity. BEEN TOLD THIS ALL MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Holy Spirit is the Power of God and Christ! John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Jesus Is Equal with God Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. The Authority of the Son Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Ephesians 3: 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Hebrews : 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
@@transfigured3673 That's True. I spent 18 years driving about 70,000 miles a year; I love C&W music, BUT I bought KJV on tape and listened to it for many miles. Co. I worked for gave me a laptop in 95 and I used it for Bible Study after doing my reports to them. I'm still studying.
I can empathize with Johnny to a certain degree. I once had to turn down a full scholarship to a well-known seminary because I couldn't commit to affirming the doctrine of the Trinity in writing. Fortunately, I didn't face the same struggle as Johnny, having completed all his courses only to have his degree revoked. However, I imagine that the knowledge and experiences he gained at Dallas serve him well even now, regardless of a paper certificate hanging on his wall. In my case, it was probably for the best, as I might have tried to convert the entire seminary and ended up facing institutional martyrdom in the process, which would have been my own doing for signing that document.
I've given up much more for my Unitarian beliefs than just a scholarship, but despite all the sacrifices, I praise God for not allowing me to stay trapped in victimhood and resentment. My deepest desire is for my faith to be anchored in love rather than driven by past traumas. This is my hope for all Unitarian Christians who have endured persecution for their beliefs.
I always like hearing more of your story EmJay. I bet you could have converted that seminary though ...
Sorry to hear that. Thanks for sharing your story.
@@transfigured3673 Thanks, Sam.
Agreed with the small step start. I start by asking, "show ONE verse that states God is made of 3 persons"
Awesome video! I'm certainly going to check out this new version.
I remember Johnny from Impact at Texas A&M! We were prayer team members together. I am sorry to hear of the difficulties he's had to endure. Much love to you, Johnny, from Marc
I’ll pass this along to him to make sure he’s see it. Thanks for sharing
Hey Marc, yep long time no see haha! Hope you're doing well, and thanks for the love!
Great talk together. Thank You
Thanks as always Jan!
How can a seminary take your money and not give you anything in return. Sounds like theft. The certificate does not say what you believe but what you have been taught. At least an accompanying letter could be given stating that the holder does not believe such and such a doctrine. Anyone wanting to employ someone like Johnny could ask appropriate questions, but anyway would a Unitarian want to deceive his employer.
It does seem like theft. If you take away the degree you either have to help see the credits transfer or give a refund. Your proposal seems like a perfectly reasonable way to handle it to me.
just say you have the degree, no ones gonna call
It is ironic that Peter, or Paul, and even Lord Jesus Himself would not be able to graduate from DTS.....Paul teaches that the test of being in the faith is that Christ is living in us personally, and corporately with spiritual fruit bearing, love and good works ....and Lord Jesus affirms that we will all be taught by God about His Son....
Love his podcast!! Excellent arguments in them
Looking forward to hearing his story
Thanks for listening !
The JPS leaves Isaiah 9:6 as one long Hebrew name:
And his name is called
Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;
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with a footnote that says
-that is: Wonderful in counsel is God, the Mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace.
Clearly a name glorifying God, what a great name!
Interesting. Sean splits it up into two sentences
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Thanks Sam; and thanks for so much content lately!
Could do that here I suppose
Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty; the Everlasting Father is the Ruler of Peace.
Something like that.
Either way we agree, I think it is a theophoric name and not a description of what the human child is; rather what he is a sign of.
@@mitchellc4exactly
The Stone Edition Tanach of Isaiah 9:6 reads: For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
@@mitchellc4That is false, all the titles are one name which belongs to the child. Gews and unitarians will do literally anything to get away from what the text actually says.
If you had any understanding of how kingship functioned in Egypt and the ancient Near East, you would immediately spot what’s going on with that name in Isaiah 9:6. Kings from that part of the world would usually have two types of names. They would have a birth name and then they would have something called a “Throne name”. Sometimes, the throne name would be a combination of multiple titles and would be quite long. But it was all one name.
An example for you would be the “Throne name” of Ramses II, the Pharaoh of the exodus. Ramses was his birth name, but his throne name was “Usermaatra-setepenra-Ramessu-meryamen”. It is translated as “Powerful one of Ma’at, the Justice of Ra is Powerful, chosen of Ra, Ra bore him, beloved of Amun”. Those 5 names are put together to form one name.
If you also look at the treaty concluded between Ramses II and the Hittite king Hattusili III you would see that the Hititite king refers to him not by his birth name Ramses but by his Throne name. The hittite version of the treaty calls Ramses by the ‘name’ not names “Washmuaria-Shatepnaria-Riamashesha-Maiamana” this is the Hittite translation of “Usermaatra-setepenra Ramessu-meryamen”.
If you look at the names of kings from ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia whose inscriptions have survived, you would find out that they often have a “Throne name” or “Royal name” which is different from their birth name.
What Isaiah gives you in chapter 9:6 is the child’s Throne name. The entire thing is the child’s name, not some of it, but the whole thing. This thing of trying to cut the name into bits is just stupid. The child is called Peleo Yoetz-El gibbor-Avi Ad-Sar Shalom. That is his name.
Paul spoke of a few mysteries but the Trinity was not one of them.
Very true
From 54:57 talking about John 10:33, the indefinite article 'a', that is before 'God', is actually misleading.
Given the Jews 100% knew:
- the Shema
- Exodus 7:1 where Moses is also called God
- the Jewish Principle of Agency (i.e. Shaliah/Shaliach)
- that Jesus was talking about God, the Father, but they didn't believe him (verse 25)
Then adding the word "a" suggests that Jesus could have been referring to a God other than Yahweh.
So why did the Jews pick up stones?
Both Jesus and the Jews can't be "one" with God, and also be in opposition and disagreement with each other. So either Jesus or the Jews were in error; God can't be in error.
So picking up stones would resolve the error, and is the "moral" thing to do given Deuteronomy 13
Note the context:
- In verse 25 Jesus claims the Jews did not believe him
- In verse 28 Jesus claims to have an authoritative position.
- In verse 29 Jesus claims God gave him that authoritative position.
- In verse 30 Jesus is claiming to be "one" with God, in this authoritative position.
- In verse 33 stones were picked up because (1) they disagreed with his words, (2) it is NOT possible for both the Jews and Jesus to be "one" with God and also be in opposition and disagreement with each other too.
Can 'a' be replaced with 'as' in John 10:33?
Don't let your allergy to all things trinity, distract you from a Yes!!!
Verses 34-38 is explaining the established president, that they that truly represent God are as "sons of God".
My two cents is either use 'as' instead of 'a', or remove the 'a' completely!
You're in good company. Peter and John were noted as being unlearned men. Also "But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers." Where the word Rabbi and Master (for education) have the exact same meaning.
I'm still personally figuring out trinity stuff, but I agree that it is not as important of an issue as it is made out to be. I'm also fully on board with annihilationalism. It makes the most sense to me.
Someone has deceived you.
28:00 it also sounds illegal if i am being honest. could be a court case idk
I've wondered that too
ETC and conditional immortality was what let me to Unitarian. It all just makes sense.
I suspect there are many more like you and Johnny. Thanks for sharing
i can't remember, did you and Fr. Stephen or Tim Mackie ever talk about John 10:34-35? if not, reckon you should if you talk with either again.
much love 🤙
Why doesn't the Rev app update in the play store???
Good question!
Where is the link to the REV?
www.revisedenglishversion.com/
Q. Could we discuss YHWH's Intentional location of Gath (Goliath) & Bethlehem (David) / AND Jerusalem & Nazareth in relation to the River Jordan ! Thomas
Please explain?
@transfigured3673 Thanks ! A&E left Eastward from Garden. Entrance to Most Holy Place -- Westward. Abraham called Westward from Ur. Bethlehem Star Westward. Israel went Eastward from Egypt. Jesus will return as Lightening from East to West. Lot went East from Abraham. Eastward = Sinful Way vs. Westward = Righteous Way. Goliath Eastward from Gath (birth) to his defeat at Valley of Elah vs. David Westward from Bethlehem (birth) to his VICTORY ! Zoom would be great to discuss further, Thomas ps -- why does Earth rotate Eastward while Sun (Mal.4:2) appears to move Westward ?
Wow, DTS and that church really handled these situations poorly. I'm reminded however that what we endure today is not to be compared to what will follow in the future (Rom 8:18). Thank you for having Johnny on to share his story.
Also, I've heard Jn 10:34 brought up a few times in your videos with the interpretation that the gods of Ps 82 are human. If you haven't seen it already, Michael Heiser's paper on how John 10 squares with Ps 82 is a good read for another perspective. It's on his website "Jesus’ Quotation of Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34: A Different View of John‘s Theological Strategy" As a Biblical Unitarian myself I don’t align with all of Heiser’s takeaways there, but the gist that the elohim of Ps 82 are gods of the divine council is compelling and what that could mean when Jesus recalls it is intriguing.
All the best Sam and I look forward to the next video!
I am aware of Heiser’s view on Psalm 82/John 10 but I haven’t read that paper. It would be a good thing for me to read and comment on.
Can you try to interview Andrew Rillera? His book Lamb of the Free is fascinating material that you would like
Thanks, I’ll look into it. Always appreciate guest recommendations
@@transfigured3673I second this recommendation! I just bought his book as a Christmas gift for myself!
1. Sean's reimagining of Isa 9:6 is based on an ancient anti-Christian view by medieval rabbis like Rashi. As noted in "The Messianic Hope Is the Hebrew Bible Really Messianic?" by Michael Rydelnik (2010)
Today, evangelical scholarship has adopted variations of Rashi's historical interpretation. For example, John D. W. Watts writes of John Goldingay, "Goldingay has now resurrected a view held by many Jewish scholars of the medieval period, such as Rashi, that the first three pairs of names refer to God. It is he who names the prince of peace."1 Watts also denies the messianic nature of Isa 9:6, writing, "The verses do not function as messianic predictions in this context." Goldingay, in his commentary on Isaiah, adapts Rashi's view, taking all four couplets as descriptions of God (i.e., a theophor-ic name) rather than a description of the child. He writes, "It would be quite natural for this fourfold name in v. 6, too, to be a statement about God-and not a statement about this son." He concludes that the titles should be translated as one long, theophoric name of God: "A wonderful counselor is the Mighty God; the Everlasting Father is a Prince of Peace."
2. I have never read a scholar or seen a translation add air quotes to John 5:18! The popular view that Jesus was not against the Sabbath but so-called "human traditions" needs to clarification on the basis of how the Sabbath law was given by God and practiced by Israel. And the evidence shows that there is not one Old Testament reference Christians can point to where God authorized breaking the Sabbath for any reason, even “good” humanitarian works like healing. For more see jesuskingdomgospel.com/did-jesus-break-the-sabbath-or-human-traditions/
Thanks guys and your not alone LoL I appreciate you both and was the same way trinitarian for long time and I was reading the Bible alot and going to a trinitarian churchs massive amount of writing down what the pastor said and going home and Read and trying to figure out things and after all that time for a year now I've been a biblical Unitarian and I was hearing about them and comparing scriptures and no go, and the day l said Father I don't believe in the Trinity anymore and that day I was nervous about things but I went to TH-cam and typed in I don't believe in the Trinity anymore and the first video by a biblical Unitarian was my father is greater than I,I repented of course and the Father has been wonderful and I used to preach and teach on FB and I said I'm done with the Trinity and this year has been more learning than 24 years ago and I have all the biblical Unitarian sites and man I never even heard of it before but I'm all in and out of Trinitarian because One true God is it, and I still love the Lord Jesus and his Father is God period and his Son the Messiah, loving people is the second command but the first is far greater, thanks guys.yes they will be done with you for sure, remember if they hated you they hated Jesus first.
> Isaiah 9:6 Being A Prophecy.
And The Prophecy Has Come True
Of Him Being Named, Called Those Titles.
Isaiah Said His Name Will Be Called.
Isaiah Didn't Say He Will Be Those Positions.
He'd Be Called Those Positions In Name Only.
Great discussion brothers. The trinity is idolatry. The bible says not to associate with idolaters. I Cor 5:11
I still think it’s ok to associate with trinitarians. I view them more as confused than as idolaters
@@transfigured3673 Fortunately, my wife and I were never trinitarians. We were independent Oneness for 35 years. The first 17 years I went to bible college part time. I worked full time and we were raising three children.
When I discovered in 2019, that Jesus is not the Father, I told my wife. She was warey at first, but when I showed her the scriptures, she accepted it. We have no fellowship here, but I watch Living Hope, Restitutio, Biblical Unitarian Podcast, 21st Century Reformation, Transfigured, and others.
My wife and I have devotional time together every day. We also study the NT a LOT. Thousands of hours in various translations for me.
I really appreciate your interviews with Biblical Unitarians and am looking for more.
Michael Anderson
@@transfigured3673 I am curious to know why you think that. They have three gods, They claim over and over profusely that Jesus is God. Their gospel is "Christians go to heaven, when they die." Matt 7.21-23 plus Jesus, Peter and Paul told us not to associate with idolaters. End of rant.
Only halfway through this and I need to take a break! I'm just astounded at the nastiness of how Johnny and his wife were treated, and suggesting that she should leave him. Wow. I guess "love your neighbor as yourself" only applies if the neighbor belongs to the "correct" club.
Heretics get worse treatment than “enemies”
@@transfigured3673 When you deny the trinitarian's gods, they get angry. We can be thankful there are no people like John Calvin these days.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 there certainly are lol
screw a piece of paper
King Crocoduck.
Yeshua Told The Jews (As The Word Of God) In Their Law He Said They Are Gods. - John 10:34
For Israel Use To Know that they Were Gods Of God. - Josh.22:22
John Wrote In The Greek That Yeshua Is "The Only Begotten God". - John 1:18
As God Calls His Children Gods. - Ps.82:6
*Mary Was The Surrogate Of The Holy Spirit Of Which Yeshua Was Born Of.
John wrote "the only begotten Son."
@@MichaelTheophilus906 - No The Catholics Wrote That For You.
@@PropheticPlaces-rm9lp The catholics are the ones, who made Jesus a god--one of their three gods.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 - Well The Catholics Are Wrong Aren't They? Yeshua Told The Jews He Said In Their Law (As The Word Of God) That They Are Gods. - John 10:34 > As God Calls His Children Gods - Ps.82:6 > For Israel Use To Know They Were Gods Of God. - Josh.22:22 > But John Said In The Greek Yeshua Is The Only Begotten God" > John 1:18 > For All God's Other Children Are Adopted ( Except Yeshua) > Rom.8:14,15 "As Many As Are Led By The Spirit Of God These Are The Sons Of God. And Have Receive The Spirit Of Adoption. As The Israelites Did Also. - Rom.9:4 > Yeshua Isn't Adopted. He Is "The Only Begotten God" - John 1:18
Sad. I can tolerate difference of opinion on Christology. Bless both of you weirdoes ;-)
Blessings right back at you
1Jh5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Don't need a degree to understand that...
Might want to check the footnote on that verse
@ I believe in the preservation of Gods word, not what 5 liberals sitting in a room deciding which verses are inspired or not.
@@scourged1611 who preserved gods word :s
big problem...unitarian...
Jesus denied being God?
John 8:58: Jesus declares, "Before Abraham was, I am." Here, Jesus uses the term "I AM," echoing God's self-revelation to Moses in Exodus 3:14 ("I AM WHO I AM"). This statement is a clear claim to pre-existence and divinity, as the Jews recognized this as a claim to be God and attempted to stone Him for blasphemy.
John 10:30-33: Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." In response, the Jews again sought to stone Him, stating, "because you, being a man, make yourself God." This shows that Jesus' contemporaries understood Him to be claiming equality with God.
Mark 14:61-64: During His trial, when asked if He was the Messiah, the Son of God, Jesus responds affirmatively, saying, "I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." This is a reference to Daniel 7:13-14, where the "Son of Man" is given authority, glory, and sovereign power over all nations - a role that only God holds.
Forgiving sins: In Mark 2:5-7, Jesus forgives a man's sins, and the Pharisees object, saying,
"Who can forgive sins but God alone?" By forgiving sins, Jesus was exercising a prerogative that was understood to belong to God alone.
Raising the dead: Jesus raised several individuals from the dead, most notably Lazarus in John 11:43-44. His command over life and death points to divine authority, as this power over death is something attributed only to God in the Old Testament.
Walking on water, calming the storm: In Matthew 14:25-33 and Mark 4:35-41, Jesus demonstrates authority over nature, another sign of His divine identity, as controlling creation is a divine act.
John 20:28: After Jesus' resurrection, Thomas addresses Him as "My Lord and my God!" This declaration is not corrected by Jesus, showing that Jesus accepts worship and acknowledges His divine status.
does my recognition of something determine that something's nature
Why can't people read the Bible and understand these scriptures?
I have seen children cry their heart out when they find out their is NO SANTA. Think about an adult finding their is no trinity. BEEN TOLD THIS ALL MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Holy Spirit is the Power of God and Christ!
John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jesus Is Equal with God
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath,
but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The Authority of the Son
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and
that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross,
by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True,
and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written,
that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Ephesians 3: 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Hebrews : 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
That is a lot of verses
@@transfigured3673 That's True. I spent 18 years driving about 70,000 miles a year; I love C&W music, BUT I bought KJV on tape and listened to it for many miles.
Co. I worked for gave me a laptop in 95 and I used it for Bible Study after doing my reports to them. I'm still studying.
@@FLDavis my niece can do 70k