First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially. Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING. UNDERSTAND?6
@@cryptoinsider9305 Do you use Uber? After a ride do you rate the driver? So you're saying the rating system is a social discrimination? How bout you tell me the FULL POTENTIAL of the nuclear submarine AUKUS is planning to build?
@@ezibalenz Social Credit system is it calibrated for the people? Uber does it says you cannot use Uber without Vaccination? Nuclear submarine dont have restriction and rules? Your IQ 0? Go back to learning ABC..
@@cryptoinsider9305 At least in my country you must get vaccinated before you can take a ride, as well as going into public places like restaurant, mall, cafes, etc. Well everyone is fine with it, 90% of the adults are vaccinated so far so that we can carry on with our daily activities. We've got no problem wearing masks, because we believe in taking care of each other, not just "personal freedom". Somehow I sincerely pity you, what kind of education have got you into this?
If you're able to readily access the world outside China, you're probably in a place where the "social" components of the algorithm aren't yet being tested.
As a Chinese American, I have an honest hatred towards americans/American Media and their fake outrage over china. They use this to continuously humiliate and paint Chinese people, including Chinese Americans in a disgusting light.
@@tfk884 I'm used to it now, after living in America and Japan, I have now learnt to use the simple answer, 'one who gets to talk is one who has a bigger fist'.
It's not like translation is innacurate... Translation is spot on. It's the name that communists decided to give to the system sounds this way because they want to pretend as if they are some sort of alternative to capitalism and "social score" supposedly sounds better and with less capitalist reference than 'credit score'. Considering that it's literally same thing as credit score they should had simply adopted the name that is used globally and this way would had avoided unecessary misunderstanding. But misunderstanding is what communist want to create - without misunderstanding - there would be less grounds to spread rumors how "socialist" China is better alternative to "capitalist" west - even though China is in no way less capitalist than the west.
@@sk-sm9sh What is social Score UK? Social score UK is a Uk company which provides a social credit scoring system that tracks your score and display it. ... This score can be shared with lenders and third party institutions which want to use your social score to analyse your creditworthiness.12 May 2021
They're literally just describing what we call a "credit score" here in America except it's not implemented for everyone in China only people who signed up on the different apps...
There is almost no Chinese who does not have some sort of electronic pay at least, and most do this by a mobile phone, except may some rural villagers in deep down China, or a granny or two. Secondly, in many cities they have 60 cameras on a stretch of 100 m road, many of them equipped with face recognition. Third, this is only the beginning. In a few years time the different social interaction points and monitoring systems will all be interconnected.
@@krollpeter Reminder: America as more cameras installed per people than China. We also have something called Apple Pay, Venmo and Paypal as well. And in America we have been tracking people's social credit scores for far longer than China.
@@krollpeter Meow and M have some good replies, the only thing i wanted to add is: in 2013 a former NSA consultant leaked the extent of mass surveillance perpetrated by the US and UK in what is called the Snowden Revelations (the name of the consultant is Edward Snowden). This exposed the massive worldwide surveillance programs that are still ongoing to this day and include face and voice recognition. As a leader in the tech, do you really think current surveillance operations by the US is being outdone by China?
@@krollpeter The hilarious thing is, the so called VPN software in the West are all under monitor by the Five Eyes alliance. They know EXACTLY who you are, every keystroke you make and what porn you watch. Privacy and freedom my arse! 🤣
I live in the U.S. and this seem like the exact credit system we have here, we call it "credit score" where the banking institution rate your trustworthiness based on your past financial decisions. Great video, really eye opening.
@@NineDiamont Right because it’s not widely implemented and honestly is much more watered down than most Americans and other westerners think. Most of my family is in China and have never heard of it until some concerned white people pretended they cared about the fate of Chinese people lmfao.
@@scholarssolutions6735 Why "pretend" to care? China's a massive country that has a strange relationship with it's cultural roots - since traditional values/practices/religious observances are looked down upon by their government. Moreover, (like most governments) the Chinese government is immature, so if the people eventually put pressure on the government, their government will posture and put pressure on the world. Their anti-western propaganda is already way past the line of anything we publish about them here, some even encouraging war...so there's no "pretending" to care. China is the most imminent global threat as it stands to not only the western world, but to themselves until they actually figure out what they're doing.
@@piterpraker3399 China is the most imminent threat to the western global economy that is spearheaded by colonization and imperialistic exploitations. Fixed that for you. To be honest, western propaganda is so stupid and silly they trip over their own feet. Sometimes fearmongering about how powerful China is, but then joking about how weak China is. Making up propaganda about Chinese people suffering under CCP but actively advocating for starting war with China. Not to mention sanctioning China for human rights abuses for Muslim genocide, while performing it themselves in the middle east for decades. Good job western projection at its best, cope harder.
I'm a Chinese, from my prospective the content of this video is pretty neutral and I love Asian Boss' videos. As bias comes to a country, the best way to verify it is to go on the street and ask those indigenous people about their standpoints. Let more medias like this appear to narrow the gap between countries. We are a shared community.
Hi Colin! I think you need to address some biases in the comments from foreigners that got their info from western MSM and has never been to your country.
Yeah sure that's why critical students/people get arrested so that other Chinese people wont be critical on those kind of Interviews, they say they are living in freedom but in reality teren is no Such construct as freedom even in the western World, and China really hides that from it s cititziens only difference is that we in the West know that FBI and all other agencies like the BND in Germany are monitoring us.
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially. Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING. UNDERSTAND?4
@@cryptoinsider9305 What are you on? If you rent a bike and you don't return it, your credit score decreases. How is this unfair? This system isn't any more biased to any particular group than the credit system in North America. If you don't pay your debts, your score takes a hit - why on earth should you be allowed to 'scale up the financial ladder' for not being responsible? On your comment about 'loopholes', wealthy people don't get as much of a free pass in China like they do anywhere else. In China, you evade taxes? you get fined. Meanwhile Bezos is earning billions and paying much less in taxes than average american. As for the full potential of the credit system - stop projecting. The people being interviewed have made it clear they trust their government - China graduates more STEM in one year than you can imagine and the population believes in vaccines. Just because YOU don't trust your government to do what's best for you doesn't mean that other people think the same. Yeah, if people are doing stupid things to endanger the public, put their ass in prison. BTW, focusing on the 'POTENTIAL' is a joke - let's talk when it actually happens and not BEFORE then.
@@wakka111 It's more than that. Xu Xiaodong got Social Credit Score lower to D after he exposed Fake Chinese Kungfu. Therefore the whole system can be exploit by the rich and officials work for theirs favor. Not to mention you can get lower yours score by your shopping habit that has nothing to do with debt, but more like what you like that is not supported by the government.
I found this entire video fascinating and very eye-opening. Being able to hear various opinions from people living in a different society is very educational. I appreciate Asian Boss' efforts to promote open and honest discussion of interesting and important (and possibly controversial) topics.
@Radioactive FistFoot I know many people from mainland China. I have very close relatives who live there. And this may surprise you, but many truly do not view the social credit as being as sinister as we do in the west. It truly is a different cultural mindset. This doesn't mean that all view it as totally benevolent. But they also see benefits to it. Would I like it? No. But I do believe that many people in China do not view it in such a strongly negative way as we do.
@Radioactive FistFoot It's clear you haven't followed Asian Boss at all. People who have followed Asian boss for a long time, would not have that kind of nonsense comment as yours. This is literally random street interviews that you can do on your own .
@@haruzanfuucha also alwyy are you defending them. They’re all brainwashed by communism. Everything is in the red and gold communist colors in china and even hong kong and taiwan. Just shows how much power china has
There was one time (2019) I commented something slightly positive about China under a video. Another guy replied with some weird words about social credit score and other ironic stuff to diss me. That was the first time I heard about this on youtube and made me really confused. Before this, I was like almost everyone in this video who thought the so-called social credit score was nothing but a financial tool applied by some Chinese companies. Then I checked some western mainstream media and found some "juicy" reports on how the Chinese government uses the social credit system to manipulate Chinese people. That was the first time I realized how disgusting and manipulative many western mainstream media are.
it's honestly sad how anytime a someone says something positive or even just neutral about china on the internet, or tries to disprove western msm lies, they get barraged by weird (often racist) trolls. like they swallow the most outrageous western propaganda hook line and sinker but then accuse chinese people of being brainwashed... i hope soon more westerners become aware of the lies they've been fed and can start seeing the chinese as comrades not enemies
@@dancroitoru364 The problem is that you're also never going to stop attacking China with negative press until the day your countries crumble because we sure as heck know China isn't going to.
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially. Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING. UNDERSTAND?3
@@Rex-ww4cw I think you are the ignorant one. The purpose of this video is to discuss about the potential implication of a full board social credit system, to make sure it is to benefit everyone and not just a handful of corrupt individuals. And to discuss what adjustment is needed. You from north Korea?
I recently moved here in the US, getting a new apartment and job. All of my searches had full credit and background checks to determine my eligibility for a place to live or ability to earn a wage to provide for myself based on my credit and background. Now, this is seen as culturally relevant and commonplace in the US, however I cant help but feel how extremely invasive, insulting and dehumanizing it truly is. In my background/credit reports, I received a full list of addresses that I've lived over the past several years, verified employments, and financial history. It was shocking to see how invasive it was, how much power is given to companies here, and how little power we truly have over our own lives. The financial credit system is the "social credit system," and all of the power sits with those who have the most finances.
Same here in Germany. The chinese system is basically inspired by our system in germany. But their system is way more modern and more accurate due to digitalization. I was flagged in our SchuFa for a contract i never had and it was ultra hard to get rid of this flag, i couldnt even get an normal contract for internet connection because of this crap. If u like it or not, most modern countrys use similiar systems, many dont even know that such stuff exist. Just dont take a loan or cantract when you arent sure u can pay it everytime.
@@semiramisubw4864 it is. I remembered from 10 years ago people in China are discussing the pro of have a credit system like Germany and other European countries and how their citizens are way more morally correct because these kind of system.
Difference is you don’t lose credits if you are black or non Han. In China if you suooort Taiwan. If your skin color is wrong or if you partition the government you lose credits and can be denied any service including buying food
When he said, "look at how strong the US government is, even they can't monitor everyone", I cracked up laughing knowing that every phone in the US compromised and tracks everything we do.
But do you feel bothered by that tho? Just curious, because I believe it's for national security by "keywords". like maybe identifying if someone is planning to deal damage to the nation 🤔. I'm not American and I don't live in U.S., it's just that I personally don't mind if my goverment do that to me...
What an incredibly good interview, I feel like many people in the West just throw around the term "social credit system" without knowing what it actually is. I think videos like this one are so so important to overcome all these misunderstandings between china and the west and make people from both countries understand each other better. Thank you Asian Boss for doing this great work!!
@@spaghettimeatballswow I can agree that people believe a lot of weird things about China, but on what planet do you live where Russia is considered not bad? Their economy is trash, Putin is stealing money from the people, the people have been oppressed since forever, sad.
@@spaghettimeatballswow As an Asian having to deal with the CCP's terrifying intrusiveness I think Americans are not wrong on that regard. And I'm sure most Asian countries that have a coastline would agree. Not to mention the authoritarian culture we'd have to adapt to if war breaks out and get invaded again like with Imperial Japan. Bing Chilling memes are too funny to be banned
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially. Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING. UNDERSTAND?8
I always saw comments “you earned 1000 social credit” when people made favorable comments about China. It’s obvious now they don’t know the credit rating is similar to the US credit score rating system. Thanks Asian Boss for clearing it up.
@Ryan Alex the credit rating apps don’t involve the government. Most people never heard of them or use them. They existed only in Apps such as free bike apps and Taobao (China’s Amazon) that allow you making delayed payments. Since I pay in full and don’t use the delayed “buy now pay later” function in the apps, I’ve never setup accounts that might (might not) have credit ratings. I can honestly say that most Chinese don’t have any credit ratings since none of my entire extended family members have it, most haven’t even heard of it. I think the credit rating is to prevent people from future borrowings when they don’t pay back if they choose to use it. Everything about China is twisted into something bad lol
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
The US credit score does not restrict your rights to travel. Also the CCP curated the credit system so they can have full control of everybody. This is human rights crimes to the mass entent. The credit system now has the CCP give anybody "coronavirus" on the profile, restricting their actions and travel capcity. Theres multiple accounts of them doing this.
People literaly said that people that are not consistent with paying taxes etc could be restricted from traveling etc. Also they did say in the video that in some cities the credit system that gives points to people that donate blood etc and do other kind of "good" activities and reduces points for bad actions is indeed already implemented. The fact that this doesnt happen in all of China doesnt mean its less frightening. China is huge. Millions of people there are indeed affected by that. The fact that some millions there are nothing in comparison to the total population (the majority of which is not well informed about that) doesnt mean that its not extremely alarming. One lady also said that she was happy to hear that such "hard core" system was implemented in a few cities because she was angry with people that dont abide by the laws. That's definitely dystopic.
A lot of westerners don’t seem to realize that we essentially have the same system. In the US for example, we have a financial credit system which affects your ability to rent property. On apps/websites like Uber, AirBnb, eBay, etc, you get a social score that will affect your ability to use the service. Even criminal records could be considered a social credit system because having a criminal record can bar you from getting hired at jobs, plus felons are not allowed to vote, and s**ual predators need to register their address with the gov. While often questionable, these credit systems can sometimes have huge benefits for society. So I don’t think it’s always a bad thing.
These are not important. Most Westerners just want to hear China's "negative news"! Decades of ideological brainwashing have made Westerners fear "communism", while Westerners only need China's "negative news" to comfort themselves. "Thank the Lord for letting me live in the West and see how poor the Chinese are!" 😂😂
Fantastic video guys! Appreciate the work you do and love the channel! Thanks for taking to the streets of Shanghai and asking the locals their perspective!
Well they mix up the terms a lot socialcredit, and credit system which creates misunderstanding, but what western media is refering to is what the guy at 8:37, says, the score can change your access to puclic transport and other public basic necessities which is the maindifference of the west and china
It's also Shanghai, where it would be discovered immediately. If they're testing new components it's going to be in some third-tier city you've never heard of.
This interview illustrated so well what the so-called social credit system written in western media is so different from what Chinese people see and experience everyday. The new on China is so politicalised and is often far away from the reality on the ground.
True but the people's opinions there don't impact nor reflect the communist party's narrative. But it's good to hear what people think a out it nonetheless.
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
Many people are like" I know china better than chinese people". lol I used to live in China and my gym owner took the money and refused to provide the service. So I have heard he has a bad financial record and could not buy expensive tickets of the flight. I am so glad china has the financial record like this and I really hope he gets some punishment.
@@loongsiu4766 You are misinterpreting that. In this scenario, the guy can still fly, just not fly first-class. It is basically saying "Hey, you owe people money and now you want to buy first-class tickets? No way. Pay back your debts first."
I find very interesting that a lot of commets just assumed "social credit system" exists and none of the interviewee noticed such system is in place. How arrogant those people are that they think they know more about China than the people actually live there. Just because you are on TH-cam doesn't make you the god of information, be humble and respect.
Yes there is. They can limit your way of living if you don something that the CCP does not approve. "Liu Hu is a journalist in China, writing about censorship and government corruption. Because of his work, Liu has been arrested and fined - and blacklisted. Liu found he was named on a List of Dishonest Persons Subject to Enforcement by the Supreme People's Court as "not qualified" to buy a plane ticket, and banned from travelling some train lines, buying property, or taking out a loan." Also you can get your social credit score lowered for dumb stuff like playing video games.
@@thesazbak5342 do you know what is the consequence if you do not have the higher credit score in the states? Do you know the consequences if you distribute disinformation and misinformation to the public? More than 800k people died due to Covid. Is China becoming better if they really have this so called social credit system? Are you happy when China becomes better ? Or happier when China becomes worse?
@@thesazbak5342 Redlining. It's exactly the same as the US system. Get with the program - the US uses it for highly discriminatory policies to control peoples' lives too.
As a Chinese citizen, I have never heard of this until a British guy in Airbnb asked me😂 Western media portrays it so ridiculous. I’ve never been affected by any of this so called social credit system
@@fij715 Obviously you just want to believe what you want to believe. Once you hate someone, you will consider everything he does is wrong, regarless the truth.
The truth is boring and people only see what they want to see. Believe or not, it's basically like credits on your credit card. Can't borrow money with low credits.
@@SpiritShinobi hmmm, bad credits is hard to clear... most people stayed as bad credit their entire life. They borrow names to buy car, start business... Its not uncommon.
For those who are interested in the credit system on Chinese Internet. The thing is, it depends on what app you are using. And all the apps available on the market have to follow the regulations by the government. So it’s pretty much the same as in other countries. When the government needs to track someone - often for law enforcement, they just cooperate with those tech companies for the data. So as long as one follow the in-app rules(like agreement before registration) and stay within the law, the system doesn’t really affect anything.
The problem with the video and the comment section is that two different types of credit system are discussed. You (and most of the video) are talking about a simple credit system, as is in place in most countries around the world. In the last minutes (I think around min 14), they switch the topic to the *social* credit system, which apparently not many Chinese people have even heard of and which is not in place yet (although pilot projects exist, as described by the interviewer).
Thanks for sharing this, I do admit, the first time I heard about this was years ago when I was younger and I saw it off a news channel (I don't remember which) and they definitely sensationalize it to the point where it seemed like the government was spying on you 24/7 and showed the "social credit scores" over people's heads while they walked the streets like it was some video game simulation. Watching this now as I'm older, when they are talking about how their credit effects their financial abilities, it's like "oh, that sounds like what we have as a credit score". When they talk about how their "behaviors" could affect the way they can use an app or from companies, it's like "oh, that's exactly how it is like on Uber where you rate each other to hold each other account and make sure that bad actors are not allowed to use the service". So many of these things are either directly parallel (or at minimum, adjacent) to what we have in the US but because of the way media portrays it and because it's from China and has the word "social(ist)" attached to it, there must be something nefarious behind this when in fact, we have similar systems in place here, we just call it something else.
Is it so hard to accept that humans basically function very similar even on the other side of the world under very different government systems? Humans gonna human. The thing is that while China is different, they have just been implementing ideas that work from the west and retro-fitting it to work for their people. Like capitalism definitely is a thing in China but they keep capitalism under control of the state so you don't have corporations bleeding the people dry. The west made everything up to 4G, China improved on it and made 5G first and lead the way to 6G. It's all the same, just done better because the US have obviously stopped trying to compete.
Criticizing CCP -50 points, got a parking ticket/ went over the speed limit, -10 points. Do these sound like "financial creditworthiness"? However these are just some of the government's instruction to its officials on awarding points
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially. Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING. UNDERSTAND?7
@@cryptoinsider9305 as mentioned in the video, the financial system we have in the west does exactly the same. Not fair for population who is on the struggling side as you mentioned. I personally know couple of them here at west who arent allowed to get a loan in any bank based on their financial records in the past. Anyone can miss their friends and family without criticism of any one side. It's holiday season after all after a long year full of pandemics. Btw i would clean your keyboard in the holidays if i were you, it seems your caps lock is stuck.
"Many biases actually stems from the fact that you don't want to step out of your bubble" Sums up the discussion in the west around China's social credit system
The last interviewee gives an important information that I've been repeating for years to people around me who still believe Chinese people are cut off from the rest of the World by a giant (fire)wall... Chinese people, especially the younger generations, are much more informed on the World than their counterparts in many developed nations.
I'm 20 yr old Chinese and I use twitter and youtube everyday...... But sometime when i comment on youtube or twitter, some people replied me like "are you 50 cents？" "is youtube illegal in China？" "I will call the police to arrest you". That's really lmao
Yes, they use VPNs to access the network outside China. When I was a foreign student in Beijing, I had to purchase a VPN to access Google, Facebook, and TH-cam. By the time I graduated, I needed to use the VPN to access Naver and Kakao Talk. Digital isolation is real in China and I understand that because the Chinese government considers data a national asset. The government doesn't want their people's data flowing through the network outside China. And It is very natural for the government to protect assets. Their first intention was to protect communist ideology from the Western world and now their intention is to protect their assets. The giant firewall or whatever people call will be denser and tighter.
Not to mention that every year, 120 million leave china overseas as a tourist. That's literally the same size as the whole Japanese population leaving china. Saying that chinese people are being cut off the world are so dumb
Social credit system in the context of Chinese daily life is more like financial rating which exists in all other countries. But in the context of TH-cam, it's like there's big brother watching you all the time and you are rated on your personal behavior. A system like that is not only impossible, but also meaningless. I'm born and lived in China for more than 20 years but never heard of such system in place until I moved to Canada, lol.
@@RazorNivekUltimate9000 Social credit system in the context of Chinese daily life is more like financial rating which exists in all other countries. But in the context of TH-cam, it's like there's big brother watching you all the time and you are rated on your personal behavior. A system like that is not only impossible, but also meaningless. I'm born and lived in China for more than 20 years but never heard of such system in place until I moved to Canada, lol.
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
It’s as worse as I heard of, even your kids school application can get denied when you‘ve a low score or the fact that you can’t use public transportation…ridiculous. Services like Facebook can create a whole profile with just a few data, imagine what the Chinese government could do with all this data, you guys are effectively transparent for them.. The recent crack down on the Ant Group and the whole tech branch is just so that the government keeps control about the data which is being collected about you.. In this day and age data and information are more worth than gold!
@@NineDiamont you cant travel only when you are a dilligent who has to appear infront of court, are able to appear in court, and still dont do that. In America you go to Prison for that. Dont believe everything american media tells you. America and China are in conflict so ofc they lie....
@@NineDiamont Well you are exaggerating, it is indeed true that you can't take certain public transports like airplanes when YOU ARE MILLIONS IN DEBT. That's the point, its a financial credit system.
It's basically what I expected. I already knew that certain individuals and organizations blew this whole thing out of proportion for their political agendas.
The U.S. offer 300 millions per annum for anti-china propaganda ending 2016, you can be assured of more exciting stories, ....same old agenda like the "Powell's little tube of detergent." 😂😂😂
@@andrewlim7751Search "How Beijing Influences the Influencers" and it is more than 1 BILLION to use for propaganda from China. Quite frankly in term of Fake News, US's Big Media is on scale of 7/10 while China is 10/10 with State Propaganda.
@@johnwong5317 Btw, take this opportunity to prove "Xinjiang genocide", "Concentration Camp of Millionns", "Organ Transplant", "BRI's Debt Trap", etc .....do it with style .....e.g. evidence? 😁
In Malaysia, we have C-Cris which monitors your loan repayment behavior and C - Dos who documents your name and personal data in their system if you are declared bankrupt. Both systems are used by the bank to check your credit worthiness. I understand in US they have similar credit rating system that might affect your employment, loan application and tenancy eligibility. So isn't the whole world a Black Mirror for the big powerful financial industry and property owners?. Why only point at China?
The Chinese version apparently wants to consider publicized thoughts into the credit rating. Americans don't necessarily lose access to things like airline tickets for attending protests without incident or making comments about how "Trump/Biden is a *****".
In Malaysia we also have racial superiority where they give the majority race positions of power such as only having 90% Malays for local universities or giving discounts to Malays to buy houses and a discriminatory budget where Chinese and Indian cities only get 5% of the total budget and the rest of the 95% goes to the Melays
What a relief in terms of my own sanity.... Being asked often about the 'social credit system' and getting confused is one thing, reading credited western reports and starti g to doubt myself is way worse...
When I was in Europe, I always head about the so-called social Credit System, and my foreign friends always asked my opinion. Actually, it's much similar like the credit score system. As far as I known, this is much more like a financial thing, rather than a "social" thing. Yes, it's truth, when you ask a mortgage from the bank, they will ask a financial credit from the People's Bank, the central bank of PRC, and that's it.
actually Chinese social credit system learn from USA Germany Japan credit system, because Chinese used to admire developed countries got more strict rules to punish misbehavior, but those so-called free media is just fakenews on China, that's only thing Chinese agree with Trump, they use double standard and stupid narratives to brainwash whole world for decades, and stupid foreigners just keep telling Chinese and foreigners living in China the thing they don't even know, that's just stupid naive and uneducated.
Whether you like it or not it is real. Highly suggest you watch the on the ground reporting from Vice to see how non-financial credit system is being implemented and how unfairly it impacts ordinary Chinese citizens and if you still are a fan of that system then fair enough
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially. Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING. UNDERSTAND?13
@@cryptoinsider9305 being financial successful through the way of treating and lying is not typical Chinese. And, why we care about you are happy or not toward Chinese things as you share no value with and having no common interest with native Chinese, more important never you have the so call world view on the same pages with native Chinese. So, we don’t think you are the right person qualify to make comments like what you just made, and it specially makes sense that we are not going to be discouraged by your comments.
Exactly. This is nothing new. Here in New Zealand, if you don't pay back a loan for something then it effects your ability to get loans in the future. I think this would be pretty normal in many countries.
@@asya-35987 why are you so confident???who give you that confident?your mom or sum😂? like having few dollars in bank and dropping out of school,not passing your exam but worrying about the government will come and punish you😂😂???like I think you just don't have a idea on how much you really value man,ermm do you need a mirror I can give it to you for free😉
From this video is is easy to tell that such Social Credit Score doesn’t not exist, at least not whatever people on social media or TH-cam is using to spite and discredit any neutral or positive takes on China. Even if it were a thing, the people obviously don’t know about it or how it works, they aren’t going out of their way to get meme points online.
As a Chinese, I'd be inclined to believe those who were interviewed weren't well informed of the system. The system is in partial implementation with a pilot program being tested in a Hangzhou village (2019). SCMP did reports on this. The pilot system works like pretty much like in Black Mirror. Villagers report good/bad deeds of their neighbors and household scores are posted in the town hall. Officials were employed and would also monitor behaviors like "X is a dedicated worker"/"X littered in the river" and add to the score. On a national scale and part of the Social Credit System program, the court can put citizens on the Dishonest Persons list, where they won't be able to: - ride certain public transports (plane/sleeper train/high speed rail/etc), - enjoy high end venues (hotels/club/golf) - buy/sell properties/cars or expand high end properties - vacation - put children in private schools/college - pay for other unnecessary items for living/working - restricted outbound travel - drive on highways - etc. The list of Dishonest Persons are public online and the court in Nanning publishes slideshows of these people on Chinese TikTok (DouYin) The thing is, I believe such a system can do good only if the system's mechanism and rules are transparent and consistent to everyone, but people seem to know how law enforcement works in China. So whether or not this Social Credit System would just be another tool that falls into the hands of a few corrupt officials with no safe guards or used against political targets, is the main question we should be thinking about. For reference, just recently, the Health Code system "glitched" red at the airport for a civil right activist Wang Yu (politically sensitive person) when they wanted to fly to another city when they declined suggestions from their local police not to travel. A red code would mean they may be close contacts and weren't allow to travel and enter venues. Their code returned normal when they returned home the next day.
bad logic. what it shows is that people aren't aware of it, whether it exists or not. people not being aware of it doesn't prove that it doesn't exist. If everyone in China all talks like the sun doesn't exist, that doesn't prove the sun doesn't exist to ascertain whether it exists or not, it's much better to go to more credible sources, like government documents or data collection records, or people in great financial standing getting punished for political behaviors.
It actually did exist, but as a proposal and small scale experiment at one of the Chinese local city government. However, the concept then was proven to be hard to get the desired effect so it was canceled. So there's no such a large scale social credit system exist currently in China.
@@dan339dan The Dishonest Persons list you cite is part of the judicial system, which is far and far from what you find in Black Mirror. The ones be put on such list are those who failed to obey an effective court order, typically who failed to pay their debt. The supreme court has issued clear rules for this. Usually in civil cases such action requires a request from the plaintiff and the court get to decide on it. While criminal record is another thing. Almost all countries in the world impose restrictions on those who were convicted guilty and released with criminal record, and even keep tracking on some specific crimes.
I would like to know, why did communist decide to give a different name for this system, and call it "social credit score" - instead of adopting name that in the world is already widely used - "credit score". My assumption is that this system is in plans to be extended to encompass more and more of every day life thus to go beyond credit score and become "social credit system" is on tracks.
In Indonesia, we called it "BI Checking", its the record of our active loans, wheter if we pay it on time or not, and it will affect future financial loaning thingy. Basically it's just the same.
Great interview, as someone who has lived in China for 7 years I was shocked when I first heard of the social credit system and even more shocked when none of my adult students had heard of it. It still hasn't been implemented and i don't even know if it actually will if it was just Western media propaganda or a mix of all of the above. Seems like the masses here are being told about it. The gov. are prob just testing it and may never implement it and Western media exaggerated it. But who knows I plan on leaving China soon so
You are stupid, you told that they are testing it that means they are gonna implement it.. government always want to control mass...its nothing new...you are just blindly accepting their government's propaganda, if they are so good, why there is no new president or other political parties with different ideology, they control the whole system....
@@anna3603 so tell me why government is using their money to test such surveillance system, why anyone investment such a amount of money, if they don't get any kind of results out of it, do you really think that Chinese government is stupid! In future they will gonna use it, its nothing new, from the old day to modern day, every power hierarchy system want control the mass. Maybe you love so much the communism or china, that u can't accept the criticism of social credit system.
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Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!
It really amuse me when it comes to the topic about freedom or privacy , im sure 99% of Chinese citizens never worried about these issues in their entire life.
@@davidhawley1132 It's cool to see you insist on being naive and biased against China. The more people like you there are, the dumber the West becomes.
@@cyk_official Fortunately, there are journalists reporting on China that are outside the grasp of the CCP. But all you shills for the CCP have are schoolyard insults. Pathetic.
I really like hearing the human perspectives, it's way better than broad statements you always see Chinese official outlets making about all Chinese people.
The only thing close to what the Western media says about the social credit system that I come into contact with in my everyday life is on various platforms. For example, Weibo has their own credit system and if you get reported for violating their rules, you'll get points deducted and your comments/posts might be shown to less people etc.
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@@Soundcloud765 When they express support for the Chinese Communist Party, you would say they are afraid of the government. When they explain it to you, you will say that they accepted money from the CCP. So how do you know the truth?
"Many biases actually stem from the fact that you don't want to step out of your bubble." 🤝🤝🤝 This should be teach in every school, especially with the consumption of information on social media.
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Maybe the interviewer said something like this on the beginning "I'll ask you some questions as if I was a foreigner and in a position of don't understand Chinese language"
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I really don't like that everybody on YT is playing the social credit meme for without knowing what's actually is and those things don't exist honestly stop playing it
I remember years ago reading a pages long report from a major US magazine about how Chinese government is monitoring every single aspect and behaviors of citizens lives and scoring and controlling them.I was so shocked that I reached out to all my relatives in China and asked them about it. No one knew about it and no one felt their everyday life had became different in a way. It made me doubt: if no one knows it and no one is affected by it, does it really exist? Thank you Asian Boss to clarify for us that it is just a credit history type of system which we implemented in NA for ages.
That's not what the video shows. It actually shows that the average Chinese person in this area doesn't know about the new system yet. That's a very different statement
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@@fallen546 Even senator rand paul himself mentioned that america is the master of disinformation. most of the media is controlled by the west and obviously they created so much disinformation to discredit China. With the war in ukraine, the world can see the true colour of america and his allies (especially UK). Daily the msm is of full bs propaganda about Russia. You know so much about the system? show us the proof
Slightly related when it comes western vs Chinese perceptions of things related to China: Maybe about ±a decade ago, I remember a main western media outlet, possibly _The Guardian US_ or something like that, going to the streets of China to ask people how they felt about "living under authoritarian rule". One thing that stuck out to me was a woman responding that the Chinese citizens are well aware of the situation there, but she finds it fascinating that Americans have all these opinions on her society, when not fully understanding how little rights Americans actually have. As a Black American citizen, who's fully aware of what she was talking about, that hit hard.
Promise you Chinese people know far more about the world and America, than vice versa regarding Americans. Truth is, Westerners have to be sheltered from a realistic view of China or else the WEstern government will be asked for accountability. People will think why they can't have nice things. Why most people live paycheck to paycheck in the richest country on the world, who exploited trillions from the world, who prints millions a day and destabilizes others for their zero-sum game.
@@chozer1 what, racism cancels out racism? just because racism against black people may be worse in china doesn’t justify it in america. if you genuinely believe america is a land of freedom and that black people are “welcomed” here, then that speaks volumes about your privilege.
Some people compare this system with the one on Black Mirror, but tbh they are completely different. The Chinese one is basically for financial protection purposes. If you lose your credit, like not paying your loans on time, you may find it difficult to get another one again. This protects financial orgs and companies who provides services which require that people be honest and responsible, so that people can borrow things without paying any kinds of deposits.
Sounds the same as our credit score here in the US. The only difference we seem to have is they actually get to opt into it by using certain apps to borrow things, we on the other hand don’t have a choice we are born with it and have it attached to our identity and if you don’t get loans/use credit cards to raise it when you’re in young adulthood it will effect your life later on because you’ll have no previous credit score so buying a car/house or even getting a good job will be almost impossible since tons of jobs run a credit check these days to make sure you’re responsible.
Worst of all, the system penalizes you if you try to avoid paying interest. If you just have a revolver credit history and pay off every month, you won't get the highest score. You have to pay into loan installments to get the highest score. In other words, you got to pay interest to get a good credit.
@@pizzadoe7922 the "penalty" isn't that bad. A 720 credit score really isn't much different from a 740 score. You want a real penalty? Try missing a payment.
@@spacenodus7959 Winnie the Pooh doesn't have eyes everywhere. Plus, I think people exaggerate their own self-important to think he cares whatever a random troll says.
This is a great video. It was interesting to hear the reactions straight from the citizens. I was surprised that this topic would be OK to film in the public streets without any interference. As the last speaker said, we all need to have an open perspective of what we consume.
@@caomilo1031 That's interesting. Sounds like for ordinary citizens it's less than what media says. Do you think it's different for higher profile citizens like Jack Ma and Peng Shuai? They "disappeared" for a months from the media.
@@Nihaofoo Ma and Peng themselves chose to keep a low profile for the time being. The western media described them as "missing". To the disappointment of the western media, they did not disappear. They appeared but the western media no longer cared about or reported them. The western media was only responsible for discrediting China but not for clarifying their own mistakes afterwards. It is because you believe the discredited reports of western media on China that you feel that Chinese people can't be interviewed by foreign media on the street.
@@Nihaofoo They are 'disappeared' in west media, which is irrelevant to their real life. They are not pop star/ top idol that runs a living show, so ordinary Chinese ppl don't really care if they show up frequently or not. I think it's sad for the west ppl to care so much on these topic. It would be something like weeks after the Lewinsky news, ordinary Chinese keep asking again and again for months about where is the Bill Clinton affair woman? Why is she disappeared? Why she does not show up everyday on every news? How screwed Chinese would be in such sad scenario.
So funny to see so many 'China Experts' in the comments claiming that these people are lying. Well, you can just believe you what you want to believe, but as a Chinese grow up in China for the past 20 years I have never about such system. The first time I heard about this word is from TH-cam channel and comments. This is just hilarious. Btw I am in Singapore right now, so don't need to worry about I'm not telling the truth.
@@Vexsus22 Well, at least think and understand things from different perspectives. Personally, I would watch news from the US, Europe, Russia, Japan and China to have a better view of controversial topics. I know not everyone's able to understand different languages but at least respect others' opinions instead of calling them brainwashed or "too afraid to say the truth".
@@cathy921ontheradio I believe some do watched but still failed to comprehend especially western / American centric perspective like "who in the right mind would agree with such abomination? How dare they rob our freedom!".
Towards the end you see them explain a different kind that is currently only being implemented in one city. Maybe you missed it. They monitor good social behaviour like being a volunteer and deduct points for littering for instance. I think the people mentioning your point didn't watch the whole video.
No, the people in the video were talking about financial credit, that is also in other countries, however the SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM does not exist in the USA as far as citizens know. The social credit system is not known by many chinese and especially not in major chinese cities as it is only known to be rolled out as a test in the city RONGCHENG in china. Do not mistake them for the same thing, the social credit system does exist and is not the same as financial credit.
The funny thing the Social credit system is hyped up as a CCP thing, but in reality, it's actually managed by the Province itself. Each province will have different rules and scoring system, however, have heard in the future they do want to unify this.
The difference between the Provinces is a temporary illusion of choice. Each province probably has different amounts and strictness of rules to suit the perspective and tolerance of the individual person. As you stated, they eventually plan on unifying the system, which will eventually mean one set of rules nationionally. It was always the plan from the start but they enforce it slowly to tame the people.
@@bigmaculous China is kind of like the US, where each state can experiment on their policies independently, except that the Party's promotion process encourages bringing up supposed successes for national consideration. It will likely be all financial at first, until they start pitching more disturbing additions to the algorithm that they'd first test in some third-tier city even most other Chinese have never heard of.
As a Chinese, I've never heard of Social Credit System until today I saw some Tiktoks made by westerners, so I googled it and at the first I thought it is an online game🤣
The Social Credit System sounds like our credit score system in Canada. If you don't have credit (young adults) or poor credit, it limits things like getting credit cards, car loans, mortgages, you can't even get a cell phone (without deposit). It actually sounds easier to build credit their since they have it on Alipay. I kind of new it was Western media putting a negative spin on it but it's good to hear it from actual citizens. Great job Asian Boss 💪
It's a more extensive credit score system. What you have in Canada or US are financial score. While the Social Credit Score goes further than financial, but your SOCIAL BEHAVIOR. Xu Xiaodong in 2017 got his to lower to D for exposed Fake Kungfu Master in China. He can't use train or airplane and more. You can see this has taken a much much further steps.
@@joek7031 So a deadbeat who has his own gym, able to have money to travel to different locations and other countries for matches and have lots of people to support him. Yet you think he can't pay his loans right after he exposed those Fake Kungfu Master? I now question yours intelligent and yours critical thinking.
@@joek7031 Not to mention Chinese Millionaires and even Billionaires offer any Kungfu Master to beat him. Oh right, you believe in those "Mystic" Power from Chinese Kungfu Masters as well, right?
@@joek7031 "After the fight went viral, there was significant blowback on social media where he was accused of disparaging Chinese culture and his family received death threats. Beverage tycoon Chen Sheng offered over a million US dollars to any traditional tai chi fighter who could beat him.[10][11] Following this, police stopped a fight against another self-proclaimed tai chi master, Ma Baoguo who allegedly called them in, and Xu was banned for organizing tournaments at his gym.[7][9][12] Xu continued to fight self-proclaimed tai chi masters.[13]"
When you use apps and agreeing their terms and conditions, you ALLOW them to fully access your phone folders, files, photos, etc ... in short, we are "consciously" accepting to get our privacy get invaded... it happens everywhere in the world, not just China... the solution to not get monitored is simply not using phone and internet.
I understand that the U.S media overreacts to things about China. But when people "mysteriously disappear" after criticizing the government, its not a good look. China is geared towards a social harmony while America is geared towards individual liberties. Both are theoretically ideal goals but they do overlap in values which leads to conflict between the two states
Did you watch the whole thing? Non-financial credit ratings has already been implemented and are looking to expand as in whether you have a phone or not if you walk your dog the wrong way you get punished
We have something similar in the US called the credit card system. Can't find a home to rent in California unless you have a very high score even though you make more than enough to pay for rent.
The videos make me happy. Literally. I don’t like it when people think there is only one side of a story, as the last guy said it, only good or bad, there is not. Thank you guys, it’s always very enjoyable to watch content that creates a tighter bond between us as humans.
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There's more to it though. I'm sure Citibank doesn't care in the slightest what comments you make online or about the government. The CCP certainly cares about that though.
This was interesting. Most had knowledge about the concept, but I wondered how they felt about it from a personal perspective. I wanted to know what effect it had on each of them. The lady who showed her score had me laughing 😆 She shops often
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
These videos are helpful. I commend you for doing this. It's interesting to see a genuine Chinese citizen's take on this concept and especially to see the Western "take" on such a concept turned into its own form of propaganda. I don't agree with "social credit" in the slightest but these videos do help put into perspective that every single country has its own version of events on what is happening outside of our own land. If you speak multiple languages you can check this for yourself by reading the same world event covered by different countries. It's very interesting. The other issue this poses, if the Western news sources are to be believed as fact, then everything these people said automatically could fall under "well of course they'd say that, they're terrified of their government, what if they get caught?" So it's become quite a difficult discussion to have earnestly. The school application thing did worry me as it all seems very much geared to keep the poorer citizens out of better education and continues a cycle of being put in your "place".
I wouldn't say they're "scared". Only conditioned. What we know for SURE is that people disappear in China. Often. People disappear in the US too, but not nearly as often and it's not at all accepted as normal. You're right about the global picture being different for sure - hell, they love to rant and rave in comment sections if you look hard enough. 😂 Their baseline normal is different - the problem arises when we pretend that different is good by default, or that you're racist or something for criticizing a foreign government regime. As it stands, the Chinese government is pure evil carrying a briefcase - and a lot of the evil facets of other governments look to them as a guide. They're essentially a case study in authoritarian control dynamics.
@@piterpraker3399 disappear…often…don’t watch too many falungong cult media plz, remember Jack Ma? Did he really disappeared? Like what you have been told by the media? And recently Peng Shuai, did she really disappeared? Epstein do disappeared though.
@@piterpraker3399 No one's getting detained in China for speaking on the streets, unless you're actively and obviously organizing against the government in bad faith (is in, not constructively to build a better society, just to cause harm). To do so would be laughably incredibly dumb in so many ways, stop swallowing propaganda from US oligarch funded media. Weapons manufacturer managers writing opinion pieces on foreign policy should say everything. Considering Iraq media blitz and the later media silence on the US civilian killed in a drone strike in Yemen - a country the US isn't even at war with, people ought to know better. They tried to claim they had no idea he was there, (the reason for droning countries the US is not even at war with was never fully justified), then later tried to guilt-by-association him by claiming that his father was a terrorist while refusing to declassify evidence, and then a few years later his sister was killed by a commando attack.
@@piterpraker3399 I have been living in China for 2 years and I have never heard of anyone disappearing. I have met many Chinese people and none has ever heard of anyone having disappeared. I can tell you that if someone actually disappeared, nobody in China would accept it at normal. It would be all over the news and social media.
"Many biases actually stem from the fact that you don't want to step out your bubble."
Damn, that's pretty spot on
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially.
Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING.
UNDERSTAND?6
@@cryptoinsider9305 Do you use Uber? After a ride do you rate the driver? So you're saying the rating system is a social discrimination? How bout you tell me the FULL POTENTIAL of the nuclear submarine AUKUS is planning to build?
@@ezibalenz just ignore him. He just copy and paste it everywhere
@@ezibalenz Social Credit system is it calibrated for the people? Uber does it says you cannot use Uber without Vaccination? Nuclear submarine dont have restriction and rules? Your IQ 0? Go back to learning ABC..
@@cryptoinsider9305 At least in my country you must get vaccinated before you can take a ride, as well as going into public places like restaurant, mall, cafes, etc. Well everyone is fine with it, 90% of the adults are vaccinated so far so that we can carry on with our daily activities. We've got no problem wearing masks, because we believe in taking care of each other, not just "personal freedom". Somehow I sincerely pity you, what kind of education have got you into this?
As a Chinese, the first time I knew the "social credit system" was on TH-cam videos and comments 😂
Me too.hahaha.
same 😂
You must be a wise man.Keep going.hahaha
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As a Chinese, I've never heard of the social credit system until the Western media told me.
其实就是征信😂
@@yichenglu9868 他们应该说的是那种社会行为分数，比如吐痰，放狗不牵绳子。其实他们这种西方媒体真正想说的是那种你没有按照中国政府来做某些政府让你做的行为，那我就扣你的分数然后限制你的一些行为。本质上他们还是把那套什么人权自由套上social credit system这个外壳，然后说中国政府侵害人权没自由。老套路了。
If you're able to readily access the world outside China, you're probably in a place where the "social" components of the algorithm aren't yet being tested.
@@doujinflip or the person is using a VPN
@@doujinflip Or you know, VPN. Like a normal person would
Gotta give it to Asian Boss, at least they are honest with the translation unlike New York Times.
As a Chinese American, I have an honest hatred towards americans/American Media and their fake outrage over china. They use this to continuously humiliate and paint Chinese people, including Chinese Americans in a disgusting light.
@@tfk884 Fax they lie about the middle east, china, russia and so many more countries to brainwash the west
@@tfk884 I'm used to it now, after living in America and Japan, I have now learnt to use the simple answer, 'one who gets to talk is one who has a bigger fist'.
It's not like translation is innacurate... Translation is spot on. It's the name that communists decided to give to the system sounds this way because they want to pretend as if they are some sort of alternative to capitalism and "social score" supposedly sounds better and with less capitalist reference than 'credit score'. Considering that it's literally same thing as credit score they should had simply adopted the name that is used globally and this way would had avoided unecessary misunderstanding. But misunderstanding is what communist want to create - without misunderstanding - there would be less grounds to spread rumors how "socialist" China is better alternative to "capitalist" west - even though China is in no way less capitalist than the west.
@@sk-sm9sh What is social Score UK?
Social score UK is a Uk company which provides a social credit scoring system that tracks your score and display it. ... This score can be shared with lenders and third party institutions which want to use your social score to analyse your creditworthiness.12 May 2021
They're literally just describing what we call a "credit score" here in America except it's not implemented for everyone in China only people who signed up on the different apps...
There is almost no Chinese who does not have some sort of electronic pay at least, and most do this by a mobile phone, except may some rural villagers in deep down China, or a granny or two.
Secondly, in many cities they have 60 cameras on a stretch of 100 m road, many of them equipped with face recognition.
Third, this is only the beginning. In a few years time the different social interaction points and monitoring systems will all be interconnected.
@@krollpeter Do you have any evidence for that? Your second point can be applied to many places in the world. This fearmongering is ridiculous.
@@krollpeter Reminder: America as more cameras installed per people than China. We also have something called Apple Pay, Venmo and Paypal as well. And in America we have been tracking people's social credit scores for far longer than China.
@@krollpeter Meow and M have some good replies, the only thing i wanted to add is: in 2013 a former NSA consultant leaked the extent of mass surveillance perpetrated by the US and UK in what is called the Snowden Revelations (the name of the consultant is Edward Snowden). This exposed the massive worldwide surveillance programs that are still ongoing to this day and include face and voice recognition. As a leader in the tech, do you really think current surveillance operations by the US is being outdone by China?
@@krollpeter The hilarious thing is, the so called VPN software in the West are all under monitor by the Five Eyes alliance. They know EXACTLY who you are, every keystroke you make and what porn you watch. Privacy and freedom my arse! 🤣
I live in the U.S. and this seem like the exact credit system we have here, we call it "credit score" where the banking institution rate your trustworthiness based on your past financial decisions. Great video, really eye opening.
they only talked about the Zhima score not about the social credit score which they themself don’t know about..
@@NineDiamont Right because it’s not widely implemented and honestly is much more watered down than most Americans and other westerners think. Most of my family is in China and have never heard of it until some concerned white people pretended they cared about the fate of Chinese people lmfao.
@@scholarssolutions6735 Why "pretend" to care? China's a massive country that has a strange relationship with it's cultural roots - since traditional values/practices/religious observances are looked down upon by their government.
Moreover, (like most governments) the Chinese government is immature, so if the people eventually put pressure on the government, their government will posture and put pressure on the world.
Their anti-western propaganda is already way past the line of anything we publish about them here, some even encouraging war...so there's no "pretending" to care.
China is the most imminent global threat as it stands to not only the western world, but to themselves until they actually figure out what they're doing.
@@piterpraker3399 China is the most imminent threat to the western global economy that is spearheaded by colonization and imperialistic exploitations. Fixed that for you. To be honest, western propaganda is so stupid and silly they trip over their own feet. Sometimes fearmongering about how powerful China is, but then joking about how weak China is. Making up propaganda about Chinese people suffering under CCP but actively advocating for starting war with China. Not to mention sanctioning China for human rights abuses for Muslim genocide, while performing it themselves in the middle east for decades. Good job western projection at its best, cope harder.
@@piterpraker3399 anglo copium is the way ig
I'm a Chinese, from my prospective the content of this video is pretty neutral and I love Asian Boss' videos. As bias comes to a country, the best way to verify it is to go on the street and ask those indigenous people about their standpoints. Let more medias like this appear to narrow the gap between countries. We are a shared community.
Which vpn do you use. Just asking
Hi Colin! I think you need to address some biases in the comments from foreigners that got their info from western MSM and has never been to your country.
Yeah sure that's why critical students/people get arrested so that other Chinese people wont be critical on those kind of Interviews, they say they are living in freedom but in reality teren is no Such construct as freedom even in the western World, and China really hides that from it s cititziens only difference is that we in the West know that FBI and all other agencies like the BND in Germany are monitoring us.
@@afkass4965 Why does it matter, what brand of the company of VPN he chooses? I am not trying to argue, but does it somehow make his comment invalid?
@@Justin87878 everything in life matters 👍
people spread hate on internet, but ASIAN BOSS tells everyone the truth. Keep going. Appreciate!
For topics like this, the questions are key. I think the interviewer asked great questions.
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially.
Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING.
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@@cryptoinsider9305 Yes I do, but I have no idea why your comment was a reply to my comment. A non sequitur.
@@Dayvit78 Its ok, the motivation is correct and more people should be aware.
@@cryptoinsider9305 What are you on? If you rent a bike and you don't return it, your credit score decreases. How is this unfair? This system isn't any more biased to any particular group than the credit system in North America. If you don't pay your debts, your score takes a hit - why on earth should you be allowed to 'scale up the financial ladder' for not being responsible?
On your comment about 'loopholes', wealthy people don't get as much of a free pass in China like they do anywhere else. In China, you evade taxes? you get fined. Meanwhile Bezos is earning billions and paying much less in taxes than average american.
As for the full potential of the credit system - stop projecting. The people being interviewed have made it clear they trust their government - China graduates more STEM in one year than you can imagine and the population believes in vaccines. Just because YOU don't trust your government to do what's best for you doesn't mean that other people think the same. Yeah, if people are doing stupid things to endanger the public, put their ass in prison.
BTW, focusing on the 'POTENTIAL' is a joke - let's talk when it actually happens and not BEFORE then.
@@wakka111 It's more than that. Xu Xiaodong got Social Credit Score lower to D after he exposed Fake Chinese Kungfu. Therefore the whole system can be exploit by the rich and officials work for theirs favor.
Not to mention you can get lower yours score by your shopping habit that has nothing to do with debt, but more like what you like that is not supported by the government.
I found this entire video fascinating and very eye-opening. Being able to hear various opinions from people living in a different society is very educational. I appreciate Asian Boss' efforts to promote open and honest discussion of interesting and important (and possibly controversial) topics.
@Radioactive FistFoot I know many people from mainland China. I have very close relatives who live there. And this may surprise you, but many truly do not view the social credit as being as sinister as we do in the west. It truly is a different cultural mindset. This doesn't mean that all view it as totally benevolent. But they also see benefits to it. Would I like it? No. But I do believe that many people in China do not view it in such a strongly negative way as we do.
@Radioactive FistFoot It's clear you haven't followed Asian Boss at all. People who have followed Asian boss for a long time, would not have that kind of nonsense comment as yours. This is literally random street interviews that you can do on your own .
@@davidk6269 well fhere isnt a choice but to do the social credit test of yours and maybe have a better life i assume.
@Radioactive FistFoot 😂😂
@Radioactive FistFoot Gosh, step out of ur bubble man. U seem very delusional
Western Media be like: Why did you asked Chinese about China? We're the China 'experts'
Western people like: Information are being hid from chinese citizen, we know better ! (Even though we have never went China before) lol
I'm gonna say it...+15 social credits
@@imperialguardsman5929 Congrats on proving his point with your stale ass meme.
@@haruzanfuucha lmao what it’s the funniest meme I’ve ever seen I can’t help but laugh 😹
@@haruzanfuucha also alwyy are you defending them. They’re all brainwashed by communism. Everything is in the red and gold communist colors in china and even hong kong and taiwan. Just shows how much power china has
There was one time (2019) I commented something slightly positive about China under a video. Another guy replied with some weird words about social credit score and other ironic stuff to diss me. That was the first time I heard about this on youtube and made me really confused. Before this, I was like almost everyone in this video who thought the so-called social credit score was nothing but a financial tool applied by some Chinese companies. Then I checked some western mainstream media and found some "juicy" reports on how the Chinese government uses the social credit system to manipulate Chinese people. That was the first time I realized how disgusting and manipulative many western mainstream media are.
it's honestly sad how anytime a someone says something positive or even just neutral about china on the internet, or tries to disprove western msm lies, they get barraged by weird (often racist) trolls. like they swallow the most outrageous western propaganda hook line and sinker but then accuse chinese people of being brainwashed... i hope soon more westerners become aware of the lies they've been fed and can start seeing the chinese as comrades not enemies
No problem - just return to China - your motherland - heaven on earth. We are too corrupt for you here in the West... -))))
Thanks for your advice, I am living and working in China btw.
@@dancroitoru364 The problem is that you're also never going to stop attacking China with negative press until the day your countries crumble because we sure as heck know China isn't going to.
@@yuegengma1562 Good - stay there. Great times ahead -))
Amazing work how Asian Boss is democratizing opinions from the ground up opposite the top down approach of most news outlets.
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially.
Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING.
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@@cryptoinsider9305 you probably dosent even know that most of the country has this kind of system. Even the US
@@Rex-ww4cw I think you are the ignorant one. The purpose of this video is to discuss about the potential implication of a full board social credit system, to make sure it is to benefit everyone and not just a handful of corrupt individuals. And to discuss what adjustment is needed. You from north Korea?
@@cryptoinsider9305 that was never the purpose of the video lol. Do you even watch the video ?
@@cryptoinsider9305 and the fact that you're asking me that I'm from North Korea showed that you are ignorant as well
I recently moved here in the US, getting a new apartment and job. All of my searches had full credit and background checks to determine my eligibility for a place to live or ability to earn a wage to provide for myself based on my credit and background. Now, this is seen as culturally relevant and commonplace in the US, however I cant help but feel how extremely invasive, insulting and dehumanizing it truly is. In my background/credit reports, I received a full list of addresses that I've lived over the past several years, verified employments, and financial history. It was shocking to see how invasive it was, how much power is given to companies here, and how little power we truly have over our own lives. The financial credit system is the "social credit system," and all of the power sits with those who have the most finances.
Same here in Germany. The chinese system is basically inspired by our system in germany. But their system is way more modern and more accurate due to digitalization. I was flagged in our SchuFa for a contract i never had and it was ultra hard to get rid of this flag, i couldnt even get an normal contract for internet connection because of this crap. If u like it or not, most modern countrys use similiar systems, many dont even know that such stuff exist. Just dont take a loan or cantract when you arent sure u can pay it everytime.
China and the US are alike.
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@@semiramisubw4864 it is. I remembered from 10 years ago people in China are discussing the pro of have a credit system like Germany and other European countries and how their citizens are way more morally correct because these kind of system.
Difference is you don’t lose credits if you are black or non Han. In China if you suooort Taiwan. If your skin color is wrong or if you partition the government you lose credits and can be denied any service including buying food
When he said, "look at how strong the US government is, even they can't monitor everyone", I cracked up laughing knowing that every phone in the US compromised and tracks everything we do.
Just our location
@@barackobama5530 not really, they often track messages that contain their "key-words"
But do you feel bothered by that tho? Just curious, because I believe it's for national security by "keywords". like maybe identifying if someone is planning to deal damage to the nation 🤔. I'm not American and I don't live in U.S., it's just that I personally don't mind if my goverment do that to me...
That's the reason why I buy drugs with cash to avoid someone knowing exactly which illnesses I have.
You're telling me China and the US aren't so different after all?
This is one of the best journalism I have seen. I hope WSJ, FT, AP, BBC, CNN, AFP, Reuters can follow your example.
What an incredibly good interview, I feel like many people in the West just throw around the term "social credit system" without knowing what it actually is.
I think videos like this one are so so important to overcome all these misunderstandings between china and the west and make people from both countries understand each other better.
Thank you Asian Boss for doing this great work!!
Most Americans are brainwashed into thinking everything China and Russia is bad.
@@spaghettimeatballswow I can agree that people believe a lot of weird things about China, but on what planet do you live where Russia is considered not bad? Their economy is trash, Putin is stealing money from the people, the people have been oppressed since forever, sad.
@@spaghettimeatballswow As an Asian having to deal with the CCP's terrifying intrusiveness I think Americans are not wrong on that regard. And I'm sure most Asian countries that have a coastline would agree. Not to mention the authoritarian culture we'd have to adapt to if war breaks out and get invaded again like with Imperial Japan. Bing Chilling memes are too funny to be banned
@@spaghettimeatballswow ikr. the irony when many Western media call out China for brainwashing it's people, but they're the one that did it the most
@@JColdery You argue in absolutes, as if things are black and white.
The person with the Bomber’s jacket and the girl who showed her score were both really enlightening, and what he said at the end was bang on!
Agree totally. That last statement was SO true. Let‘s all get on his level before we get into another pointless war
It’s more difficult for westerners to get out of the bubble due to the learning curve of Chinese language.
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially.
Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING.
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@@cryptoinsider9305 have you taken your anti spam and anger pills? Cause you need one.
@@shintapp You Taken smart pill? I guess not 🤣
Social credit in China is 90% financial 10% traffic violations. No you don't get social credit reduced for criticizing government.
Instead you get kidnapped if you criticise the government
@@烏梨師斂 people get caught up in "tax" charges, "sex" charges, mysterious car crashes, "conspiracy" charges if you cause too much problems in the west
@@tofuyam7361 - None of which are kidnapping.
@@__-pl3jg Being Epsteined isn't much better.
@@stateoffun - Epstein wasnt murdered for criticizing the government's policies. You guys are getting waaaaaay off topic.
I always saw comments “you earned 1000 social credit” when people made favorable comments about China. It’s obvious now they don’t know the credit rating is similar to the US credit score rating system. Thanks Asian Boss for clearing it up.
@Ryan Alex the credit rating apps don’t involve the government. Most people never heard of them or use them. They existed only in Apps such as free bike apps and Taobao (China’s Amazon) that allow you making delayed payments. Since I pay in full and don’t use the delayed “buy now pay later” function in the apps, I’ve never setup accounts that might (might not) have credit ratings. I can honestly say that most Chinese don’t have any credit ratings since none of my entire extended family members have it, most haven’t even heard of it. I think the credit rating is to prevent people from future borrowings when they don’t pay back if they choose to use it.
Everything about China is twisted into something bad lol
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
+1000 uncle sam points
The US credit score does not restrict your rights to travel. Also the CCP curated the credit system so they can have full control of everybody. This is human rights crimes to the mass entent. The credit system now has the CCP give anybody "coronavirus" on the profile, restricting their actions and travel capcity. Theres multiple accounts of them doing this.
People literaly said that people that are not consistent with paying taxes etc could be restricted from traveling etc. Also they did say in the video that in some cities the credit system that gives points to people that donate blood etc and do other kind of "good" activities and reduces points for bad actions is indeed already implemented. The fact that this doesnt happen in all of China doesnt mean its less frightening. China is huge. Millions of people there are indeed affected by that. The fact that some millions there are nothing in comparison to the total population (the majority of which is not well informed about that) doesnt mean that its not extremely alarming. One lady also said that she was happy to hear that such "hard core" system was implemented in a few cities because she was angry with people that dont abide by the laws. That's definitely dystopic.
A lot of westerners don’t seem to realize that we essentially have the same system. In the US for example, we have a financial credit system which affects your ability to rent property. On apps/websites like Uber, AirBnb, eBay, etc, you get a social score that will affect your ability to use the service. Even criminal records could be considered a social credit system because having a criminal record can bar you from getting hired at jobs, plus felons are not allowed to vote, and s**ual predators need to register their address with the gov. While often questionable, these credit systems can sometimes have huge benefits for society. So I don’t think it’s always a bad thing.
These are not important. Most Westerners just want to hear China's "negative news"! Decades of ideological brainwashing have made Westerners fear "communism", while Westerners only need China's "negative news" to comfort themselves. "Thank the Lord for letting me live in the West and see how poor the Chinese are!" 😂😂
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The 860 cap is very comparable to our credit score system
@@user-gongaesa koreans lmao, we created you.
Fantastic video guys! Appreciate the work you do and love the channel! Thanks for taking to the streets of Shanghai and asking the locals their perspective!
You're a shill paid by the CCP.
@@emyl_420 Yet you failed to give a single one
@@emyl_420 proof?
@@emyl_420 Give us some evidence
@@emyl_420 lol who deleted your comment??
Yeah western media really painted the social credit system way differently from how the people interviewed were answering
Well they mix up the terms a lot socialcredit, and credit system which creates misunderstanding, but what western media is refering to is what the guy at 8:37, says, the score can change your access to puclic transport and other public basic necessities which is the maindifference of the west and china
It's also Shanghai, where it would be discovered immediately. If they're testing new components it's going to be in some third-tier city you've never heard of.
This interview illustrated so well what the so-called social credit system written in western media is so different from what Chinese people see and experience everyday. The new on China is so politicalised and is often far away from the reality on the ground.
True but the people's opinions there don't impact nor reflect the communist party's narrative. But it's good to hear what people think a out it nonetheless.
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
Westerners are controlled by Western media, believing that Chinese are controlled by China
Many people are like" I know china better than chinese people". lol I used to live in China and my gym owner took the money and refused to provide the service. So I have heard he has a bad financial record and could not buy expensive tickets of the flight. I am so glad china has the financial record like this and I really hope he gets some punishment.
i actually think this doesn't make sense, they blacklist him, just make him unable to fly. its not enough, he can drive himself lol.
The authoritarian regime happened to punish that one person who actually deserved it. That's great dude!
Sounds like a fake story i bet your “gym owner” was an actor like those car dealerships in north korea 🇰🇵
@@alexanderl.6207 you sound like a fake person. I will not reply the CIA bot again
@@loongsiu4766 You are misinterpreting that. In this scenario, the guy can still fly, just not fly first-class. It is basically saying "Hey, you owe people money and now you want to buy first-class tickets? No way. Pay back your debts first."
I find very interesting that a lot of commets just assumed "social credit system" exists and none of the interviewee noticed such system is in place. How arrogant those people are that they think they know more about China than the people actually live there. Just because you are on TH-cam doesn't make you the god of information, be humble and respect.
no difference from the credit score in the US…
Yes there is. They can limit your way of living if you don something that the CCP does not approve.
"Liu Hu is a journalist in China, writing about censorship and government corruption. Because of his work, Liu has been arrested and fined - and blacklisted. Liu found he was named on a List of Dishonest Persons Subject to Enforcement by the Supreme People's Court as "not qualified" to buy a plane ticket, and banned from travelling some train lines, buying property, or taking out a loan."
Also you can get your social credit score lowered for dumb stuff like playing video games.
@@thesazbak5342 do you know what is the consequence if you do not have the higher credit score in the states? Do you know the consequences if you distribute disinformation and misinformation to the public? More than 800k people died due to Covid. Is China becoming better if they really have this so called social credit system? Are you happy when China becomes better ? Or happier when China becomes worse?
@@thesazbak5342 Redlining. It's exactly the same as the US system. Get with the program - the US uses it for highly discriminatory policies to control peoples' lives too.
As a Chinese citizen, I have never heard of this until a British guy in Airbnb asked me😂 Western media portrays it so ridiculous. I’ve never been affected by any of this so called social credit system
this video is being suppressed by youtube, its viewership hasn't changed in almost a year
Does this pay well? How do you get into this?
So why are you using a banned platform? Are you a criminal?
not yet
@@fij715 Obviously you just want to believe what you want to believe. Once you hate someone, you will consider everything he does is wrong, regarless the truth.
TH-cam needs more of this content! Brilliant!
The truth is boring and people only see what they want to see. Believe or not, it's basically like credits on your credit card. Can't borrow money with low credits.
just like tianem didn’t exist ok
That's not true at all lol. It literally affects your entire life.
@@SpiritShinobi do you have any sources of academic articles that I can look into then to prove what you're saying?
@@SpiritShinobi Never been to China I assume?
@@SpiritShinobi hmmm, bad credits is hard to clear... most people stayed as bad credit their entire life. They borrow names to buy car, start business... Its not uncommon.
For those who are interested in the credit system on Chinese Internet. The thing is, it depends on what app you are using. And all the apps available on the market have to follow the regulations by the government. So it’s pretty much the same as in other countries. When the government needs to track someone - often for law enforcement, they just cooperate with those tech companies for the data. So as long as one follow the in-app rules(like agreement before registration) and stay within the law, the system doesn’t really affect anything.
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@@user-gongaesa name checks out. Seems you need some more spanking from Tojo and McArthur.
The problem with the video and the comment section is that two different types of credit system are discussed. You (and most of the video) are talking about a simple credit system, as is in place in most countries around the world. In the last minutes (I think around min 14), they switch the topic to the *social* credit system, which apparently not many Chinese people have even heard of and which is not in place yet (although pilot projects exist, as described by the interviewer).
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Thanks for sharing this, I do admit, the first time I heard about this was years ago when I was younger and I saw it off a news channel (I don't remember which) and they definitely sensationalize it to the point where it seemed like the government was spying on you 24/7 and showed the "social credit scores" over people's heads while they walked the streets like it was some video game simulation.
Watching this now as I'm older, when they are talking about how their credit effects their financial abilities, it's like "oh, that sounds like what we have as a credit score". When they talk about how their "behaviors" could affect the way they can use an app or from companies, it's like "oh, that's exactly how it is like on Uber where you rate each other to hold each other account and make sure that bad actors are not allowed to use the service".
So many of these things are either directly parallel (or at minimum, adjacent) to what we have in the US but because of the way media portrays it and because it's from China and has the word "social(ist)" attached to it, there must be something nefarious behind this when in fact, we have similar systems in place here, we just call it something else.
Is it so hard to accept that humans basically function very similar even on the other side of the world under very different government systems? Humans gonna human. The thing is that while China is different, they have just been implementing ideas that work from the west and retro-fitting it to work for their people. Like capitalism definitely is a thing in China but they keep capitalism under control of the state so you don't have corporations bleeding the people dry. The west made everything up to 4G, China improved on it and made 5G first and lead the way to 6G. It's all the same, just done better because the US have obviously stopped trying to compete.
this video is being suppressed by youtube, its viewership hasn't changed in almost a year
Criticizing CCP -50 points, got a parking ticket/ went over the speed limit, -10 points. Do these sound like "financial creditworthiness"? However these are just some of the government's instruction to its officials on awarding points
@@steamerSama one of which exists, besides in the western media
@@steamerSama 交通是另一个体系了，考到驾驶证会拿到100分，扣到90分以下需要通过一个测试才能继续开车，扣分扣多了会吊销驾照，需要重新考驾照才能开车。批评中共扣50分从来没听说过
Awesome video as always. As someone was born in China, this video actually made me missing my friends and family in China.
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially.
Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING.
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@@cryptoinsider9305 as mentioned in the video, the financial system we have in the west does exactly the same. Not fair for population who is on the struggling side as you mentioned. I personally know couple of them here at west who arent allowed to get a loan in any bank based on their financial records in the past.
Anyone can miss their friends and family without criticism of any one side. It's holiday season after all after a long year full of pandemics.
Btw i would clean your keyboard in the holidays if i were you, it seems your caps lock is stuck.
@@cbn1362 If you miss China then no one is stopping you from returning to there.
@@vitaliibraslavets Actually without going too much in personal details there are couple reason I can't visit china for a couple of years.
@@vitaliibraslavets the ccp 🤣
Omg my boss would be blacklisted so fast in China. He never pays us on time😂
Needed this honest interview! Answered so many questions that I wouldn’t able to get from other media.
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"honest" as in "I know that if I complain and get caugh doing so I'm getting screwed"
@@irvingchies1626 Exactly!
@@irvingchies1626 jesus christ theres no winning with you people, Whatever they do you you'll always find some way to antagonize it, i stg
I lived in China for several years and I have yet to see this famous social credit system elsewhere than in western media.
"Many biases actually stems from the fact that you don't want to step out of your bubble"
Sums up the discussion in the west around China's social credit system
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@@maximilianmin1786 oof, salty?
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@@maximilianmin1786 ok Western brainwashed
It's not a Western thing, but a human thing. If you think this is unique to the West, you've living in your own bubble.
The last interviewee gives an important information that I've been repeating for years to people around me who still believe Chinese people are cut off from the rest of the World by a giant (fire)wall...
Chinese people, especially the younger generations, are much more informed on the World than their counterparts in many developed nations.
I'm 20 yr old Chinese and I use twitter and youtube everyday...... But sometime when i comment on youtube or twitter, some people replied me like "are you 50 cents？" "is youtube illegal in China？" "I will call the police to arrest you". That's really lmao
Yes, they use VPNs to access the network outside China. When I was a foreign student in Beijing, I had to purchase a VPN to access Google, Facebook, and TH-cam. By the time I graduated, I needed to use the VPN to access Naver and Kakao Talk.
Digital isolation is real in China and I understand that because the Chinese government considers data a national asset. The government doesn't want their people's data flowing through the network outside China. And It is very natural for the government to protect assets. Their first intention was to protect communist ideology from the Western world and now their intention is to protect their assets. The giant firewall or whatever people call will be denser and tighter.
Not to mention that every year, 120 million leave china overseas as a tourist. That's literally the same size as the whole Japanese population leaving china. Saying that chinese people are being cut off the world are so dumb
@@VotMaf that’s because you’re a bot account faaaaaaaaaaake
@@Rex-ww4cw those are fake numbers and fake tourists
Social credit system in the context of Chinese daily life is more like financial rating which exists in all other countries. But in the context of TH-cam, it's like there's big brother watching you all the time and you are rated on your personal behavior. A system like that is not only impossible, but also meaningless. I'm born and lived in China for more than 20 years but never heard of such system in place until I moved to Canada, lol.
Yeah u never heard it cuz Chinese government hid it from you
this kind of system is not new. never heard of "not paying bounced check also gives you bad/negative credit rating. its meaningful, fyi
The FBI, NSA literally do the same thing the only difference is no one has leaked it yet.
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Social credit system in the context of Chinese daily life is more like financial rating which exists in all other countries. But in the context of TH-cam, it's like there's big brother watching you all the time and you are rated on your personal behavior. A system like that is not only impossible, but also meaningless. I'm born and lived in China for more than 20 years but never heard of such system in place until I moved to Canada, lol.
@@RazorNivekUltimate9000 just like any government ? Can you even view your credit score directly tho
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you guys are truly role models of modern media professionals
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I’m Chinese. The social credit is definitely not what western media portrayed.
It’s as worse as I heard of, even your kids school application can get denied when you‘ve a low score or the fact that you can’t use public transportation…ridiculous.
Services like Facebook can create a whole profile with just a few data, imagine what the Chinese government could do with all this data, you guys are effectively transparent for them..
The recent crack down on the Ant Group and the whole tech branch is just so that the government keeps control about the data which is being collected about you..
In this day and age data and information are more worth than gold!
@@NineDiamont Give me one example of what you mentioned. "kids school application get denied" Name one example, name, city and time
@@NineDiamont you cant travel only when you are a dilligent who has to appear infront of court, are able to appear in court, and still dont do that. In America you go to Prison for that. Dont believe everything american media tells you. America and China are in conflict so ofc they lie....
@@NineDiamont Well you are exaggerating, it is indeed true that you can't take certain public transports like airplanes when YOU ARE MILLIONS IN DEBT. That's the point, its a financial credit system.
@@NineDiamont You’re brainwashed.
It's basically what I expected. I already knew that certain individuals and organizations blew this whole thing out of proportion for their political agendas.
hahaha dude you have no idea...
The U.S. offer 300 millions per annum for anti-china propaganda ending 2016, you can be assured of more exciting stories, ....same old agenda like the "Powell's little tube of detergent." 😂😂😂
@@andrewlim7751Search "How Beijing Influences the Influencers" and it is more than 1 BILLION to use for propaganda from China.
Quite frankly in term of Fake News, US's Big Media is on scale of 7/10 while China is 10/10 with State Propaganda.
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Prove it!
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Btw, take this opportunity to prove "Xinjiang genocide", "Concentration Camp of Millionns", "Organ Transplant", "BRI's Debt Trap", etc .....do it with style .....e.g. evidence? 😁
In Malaysia, we have C-Cris which monitors your loan repayment behavior and C - Dos who documents your name and personal data in their system if you are declared bankrupt. Both systems are used by the bank to check your credit worthiness.
I understand in US they have similar credit rating system that might affect your employment, loan application and tenancy eligibility. So isn't the whole world a Black Mirror for the big powerful financial industry and property owners?. Why only point at China?
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Typical double standard view from the West, or else, why the trade war?
The Chinese version apparently wants to consider publicized thoughts into the credit rating. Americans don't necessarily lose access to things like airline tickets for attending protests without incident or making comments about how "Trump/Biden is a *****".
In Malaysia we also have racial superiority where they give the majority race positions of power such as only having 90% Malays for local universities or giving discounts to Malays to buy houses and a discriminatory budget where Chinese and Indian cities only get 5% of the total budget and the rest of the 95% goes to the Melays
The one in Malaysia is ok tho because why would you focus on the monitories rather than the majority
What a relief in terms of my own sanity.... Being asked often about the 'social credit system' and getting confused is one thing, reading credited western reports and starti g to doubt myself is way worse...
When I was in Europe, I always head about the so-called social Credit System, and my foreign friends always asked my opinion. Actually, it's much similar like the credit score system. As far as I known, this is much more like a financial thing, rather than a "social" thing. Yes, it's truth, when you ask a mortgage from the bank, they will ask a financial credit from the People's Bank, the central bank of PRC, and that's it.
It just like the Schufa system in Germany. But Schufa has much more influence to ordinary people than the so-called social Credit System in China.
+50000 social credit points 做得好👍
@@leecris8543 你没有权利评分 -999999999999999999999
actually Chinese social credit system learn from USA Germany Japan credit system, because Chinese used to admire developed countries got more strict rules to punish misbehavior, but those so-called free media is just fakenews on China, that's only thing Chinese agree with Trump, they use double standard and stupid narratives to brainwash whole world for decades, and stupid foreigners just keep telling Chinese and foreigners living in China the thing they don't even know, that's just stupid naive and uneducated.
@@leecris8543 wow, so cringe 🤡🤡
As an Chinese, every time I see memes about China social credit score, my eyes could not roll higher...
And they think they're so funny 🙄
Whether you like it or not it is real. Highly suggest you watch the on the ground reporting from Vice to see how non-financial credit system is being implemented and how unfairly it impacts ordinary Chinese citizens and if you still are a fan of that system then fair enough
@@Sasa-pq2zi oh wow I am so unfairly impacted by the social credit system!!
Sometimes I just cant tell wether they're just genuinely dont know what are they doing or mocking the chinese
@@Felix11010 I think most of them are high school kids or only have an equivalent education degree
17:38, words of wisdom.
First the System benefits those that are already doing well financially in this system that further shows they are trustworthy in terms of credit worthiness. This is not faair for most of the population who is trying to scale up the financial ladder. The pioneers have loopholes which was not previously exposed which helps them to be wealthy now. This Credit system is to stop others from being successful financially.
Secondly, we are not talking about what the current Credit system is doing. We are focusing on what is the FULL POTENTIAL OF CREDIT SYSTEM AND WHAT IT MAY DO IN FUTURE. WHICH IS IT CAN AND HAVE THE POWER TO DISCRIMINATE WHOEVER WHO DONT FOLLOW EVEN A HEALTH CODE EXAMPLE MANDATORY VACCINATION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF US WANTS TO AVOID. ITS THE FUTURE USE CASE THAT NEEDS TO CALIBRATE AND ADJUST TO PREVENT AND PROTECT ALL PEOPLE's WELL BEING.
UNDERSTAND?13
@@cryptoinsider9305 being financial successful through the way of treating and lying is not typical Chinese. And, why we care about you are happy or not toward Chinese things as you share no value with and having no common interest with native Chinese, more important never you have the so call world view on the same pages with native Chinese. So, we don’t think you are the right person qualify to make comments like what you just made, and it specially makes sense that we are not going to be discouraged by your comments.
Most interesting interviews I've seen in a while, I learned a lot. Thank you Asian Boss!
They're basically just describing a credit score system like we have in the US. Nothing beyond that.
it's to keep citizens from misbehaving while giving them incentive/rewarding them for good behavior. the cultural revolution ruined it for china
Exactly. This is nothing new. Here in New Zealand, if you don't pay back a loan for something then it effects your ability to get loans in the future. I think this would be pretty normal in many countries.
they're not telling the full truth in order to avoid punishments from the government
@@asya-35987 Yeah, you are absolutely right. LMAO
@@asya-35987 why are you so confident???who give you that confident?your mom or sum😂? like having few dollars in bank and dropping out of school,not passing your exam but worrying about the government will come and punish you😂😂???like I think you just don't have a idea on how much you really value man,ermm do you need a mirror I can give it to you for free😉
the thumbnail is a picture of 芝麻信用分 which is a direct equivalent of credit score in US used by financial institutions 😂
From this video is is easy to tell that such Social Credit Score doesn’t not exist, at least not whatever people on social media or TH-cam is using to spite and discredit any neutral or positive takes on China. Even if it were a thing, the people obviously don’t know about it or how it works, they aren’t going out of their way to get meme points online.
As a Chinese, I'd be inclined to believe those who were interviewed weren't well informed of the system. The system is in partial implementation with a pilot program being tested in a Hangzhou village (2019). SCMP did reports on this. The pilot system works like pretty much like in Black Mirror. Villagers report good/bad deeds of their neighbors and household scores are posted in the town hall. Officials were employed and would also monitor behaviors like "X is a dedicated worker"/"X littered in the river" and add to the score.
On a national scale and part of the Social Credit System program, the court can put citizens on the Dishonest Persons list, where they won't be able to:
- ride certain public transports (plane/sleeper train/high speed rail/etc),
- enjoy high end venues (hotels/club/golf)
- buy/sell properties/cars or expand high end properties
- vacation
- put children in private schools/college
- pay for other unnecessary items for living/working
- restricted outbound travel
- drive on highways
- etc.
The list of Dishonest Persons are public online and the court in Nanning publishes slideshows of these people on Chinese TikTok (DouYin)
The thing is, I believe such a system can do good only if the system's mechanism and rules are transparent and consistent to everyone, but people seem to know how law enforcement works in China. So whether or not this Social Credit System would just be another tool that falls into the hands of a few corrupt officials with no safe guards or used against political targets, is the main question we should be thinking about.
For reference, just recently, the Health Code system "glitched" red at the airport for a civil right activist Wang Yu (politically sensitive person) when they wanted to fly to another city when they declined suggestions from their local police not to travel. A red code would mean they may be close contacts and weren't allow to travel and enter venues. Their code returned normal when they returned home the next day.
bad logic.
what it shows is that people aren't aware of it, whether it exists or not.
people not being aware of it doesn't prove that it doesn't exist.
If everyone in China all talks like the sun doesn't exist, that doesn't prove the sun doesn't exist
to ascertain whether it exists or not, it's much better to go to more credible sources, like government documents or data collection records, or people in great financial standing getting punished for political behaviors.
It actually did exist, but as a proposal and small scale experiment at one of the Chinese local city government. However, the concept then was proven to be hard to get the desired effect so it was canceled. So there's no such a large scale social credit system exist currently in China.
@@dan339dan The Dishonest Persons list you cite is part of the judicial system, which is far and far from what you find in Black Mirror. The ones be put on such list are those who failed to obey an effective court order, typically who failed to pay their debt. The supreme court has issued clear rules for this. Usually in civil cases such action requires a request from the plaintiff and the court get to decide on it.
While criminal record is another thing. Almost all countries in the world impose restrictions on those who were convicted guilty and released with criminal record, and even keep tracking on some specific crimes.
I would like to know, why did communist decide to give a different name for this system, and call it "social credit score" - instead of adopting name that in the world is already widely used - "credit score". My assumption is that this system is in plans to be extended to encompass more and more of every day life thus to go beyond credit score and become "social credit system" is on tracks.
In Indonesia, we called it "BI Checking", its the record of our active loans, wheter if we pay it on time or not, and it will affect future financial loaning thingy. Basically it's just the same.
As Chinese who was born and raised in China, first time I have ever heard this term was from BBC news lol
Great interview, as someone who has lived in China for 7 years I was shocked when I first heard of the social credit system and even more shocked when none of my adult students had heard of it. It still hasn't been implemented and i don't even know if it actually will if it was just Western media propaganda or a mix of all of the above. Seems like the masses here are being told about it. The gov. are prob just testing it and may never implement it and Western media exaggerated it. But who knows I plan on leaving China soon so
You are stupid, you told that they are testing it that means they are gonna implement it.. government always want to control mass...its nothing new...you are just blindly accepting their government's propaganda, if they are so good, why there is no new president or other political parties with different ideology, they control the whole system....
@@painpeace3619 learn to read my guy :)
@@anna3603 so tell me why government is using their money to test such surveillance system, why anyone investment such a amount of money, if they don't get any kind of results out of it, do you really think that Chinese government is stupid! In future they will gonna use it, its nothing new, from the old day to modern day, every power hierarchy system want control the mass. Maybe you love so much the communism or china, that u can't accept the criticism of social credit system.
@@painpeace3619 Ah... You seem to know all the truth and fiction in the world. Good job!😅😅
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
Always wanted to visit china , love from Arunachal Pradesh and love the channel who interviews people and don't just spit nonsense
welcome
Congrats, to the Chinese, you're already in China!
Loved this statement:
"Look how strong US government is, But it still can't monitor everybody"
This channel is great, I wish it was more popular here in Europe to help some people to open their minds full of doubts and suspects against China
This video just tells us that the average Chinese person in one region doesn't know about the system yet. That will change
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!
It really amuse me when it comes to the topic about freedom or privacy , im sure 99% of Chinese citizens never worried about these issues in their entire life.
Just keep your head down and everything is fine. Speak out and things suddenly get real bad.
@@davidhawley1132 It's cool to see you insist on being naive and biased against China. The more people like you there are, the dumber the West becomes.
@@cyk_official Fortunately, there are journalists reporting on China that are outside the grasp of the CCP. But all you shills for the CCP have are schoolyard insults. Pathetic.
@@davidhawley1132 Ah true true true, you are absolutely correct.
@@davidhawley1132 I hope you can save us from our government which you don't like instead of been a keyboard warrior
Now i can say that western media is ALSO very manipulative. I mean, we already knew that but whew,….
Thank you for these interviews.
I really like hearing the human perspectives, it's way better than broad statements you always see Chinese official outlets making about all Chinese people.
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@@user-gongaesa On this we agree
The only thing close to what the Western media says about the social credit system that I come into contact with in my everyday life is on various platforms. For example, Weibo has their own credit system and if you get reported for violating their rules, you'll get points deducted and your comments/posts might be shown to less people etc.
Just like reddit eh?
Sounds like an Instagram shadowban
Shadow bans happen way more often on every western social media platform too.
So it's no different from western social media
That almost all social media.
I always thought this was a meme mocking China, but I didn’t expect that some people actually believe it, hahaha.
You can sense how supportive ordinary Chinese are to the government which is the main development momentum getting China developed further and further
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
They are simply scared to say what they really think. It's fear.
@@Soundcloud765 then I can say you don’t understand majority of Chinese living in China
@@Soundcloud765 When they express support for the Chinese Communist Party, you would say they are afraid of the government. When they explain it to you, you will say that they accepted money from the CCP. So how do you know the truth?
"Many biases actually stem from the fact that you don't want to step out of your bubble." 🤝🤝🤝
This should be teach in every school, especially with the consumption of information on social media.
Always fantastic. Objective and neutral, and let the people talk instead of giving bulls*t analysis.
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
Kudos to the person asking the questions. Must be awkward to ask these questions without feeling stupid.
Maybe the interviewer said something like this on the beginning "I'll ask you some questions as if I was a foreigner and in a position of don't understand Chinese language"
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
I really don't like that everybody on YT is playing the social credit meme for without knowing what's actually is and those things don't exist honestly stop playing it
it’s basically a racist way to dehumanize chinese people
I remember years ago reading a pages long report from a major US magazine about how Chinese government is monitoring every single aspect and behaviors of citizens lives and scoring and controlling them.I was so shocked that I reached out to all my relatives in China and asked them about it. No one knew about it and no one felt their everyday life had became different in a way. It made me doubt: if no one knows it and no one is affected by it, does it really exist? Thank you Asian Boss to clarify for us that it is just a credit history type of system which we implemented in NA for ages.
That's not what the video shows. It actually shows that the average Chinese person in this area doesn't know about the new system yet. That's a very different statement
@@fallen546 "new system" lol. One that only westerners know about.
@@fallen546 我们中国普通人都不知道的系统，你们知道？我们在中国的人都不知道，太平洋另一边的你知道？你来给我们说说什么样的系统？你是好莱坞电影看多了吧？真是可笑，你们西方人整天活在梦中。
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
@@fallen546 Even senator rand paul himself mentioned that america is the master of disinformation. most of the media is controlled by the west and obviously they created so much disinformation to discredit China. With the war in ukraine, the world can see the true colour of america and his allies (especially UK). Daily the msm is of full bs propaganda about Russia. You know so much about the system? show us the proof
Slightly related when it comes western vs Chinese perceptions of things related to China:
Maybe about ±a decade ago, I remember a main western media outlet, possibly _The Guardian US_ or something like that, going to the streets of China to ask people how they felt about "living under authoritarian rule". One thing that stuck out to me was a woman responding that the Chinese citizens are well aware of the situation there, but she finds it fascinating that Americans have all these opinions on her society, when not fully understanding how little rights Americans actually have.
As a Black American citizen, who's fully aware of what she was talking about, that hit hard.
Blacks are banned in China. Last time I looked your kind is welcome in America. Talk about little freedom
Again try going to China
Promise you Chinese people know far more about the world and America, than vice versa regarding Americans. Truth is, Westerners have to be sheltered from a realistic view of China or else the WEstern government will be asked for accountability. People will think why they can't have nice things. Why most people live paycheck to paycheck in the richest country on the world, who exploited trillions from the world, who prints millions a day and destabilizes others for their zero-sum game.
So many CCP bots in the comments today. Blacks are ostracized and targeted as lower class in China hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
@@SpiritShinobi You wish because it makes you feel better. Stop listening to white people talk about non-white people :)
Ofc they're salty China wins
@@chozer1 what, racism cancels out racism? just because racism against black people may be worse in china doesn’t justify it in america. if you genuinely believe america is a land of freedom and that black people are “welcomed” here, then that speaks volumes about your privilege.
This is the rumor to make the westerners feel better.😂
Some people compare this system with the one on Black Mirror, but tbh they are completely different. The Chinese one is basically for financial protection purposes. If you lose your credit, like not paying your loans on time, you may find it difficult to get another one again. This protects financial orgs and companies who provides services which require that people be honest and responsible, so that people can borrow things without paying any kinds of deposits.
Sounds the same as our credit score here in the US. The only difference we seem to have is they actually get to opt into it by using certain apps to borrow things, we on the other hand don’t have a choice we are born with it and have it attached to our identity and if you don’t get loans/use credit cards to raise it when you’re in young adulthood it will effect your life later on because you’ll have no previous credit score so buying a car/house or even getting a good job will be almost impossible since tons of jobs run a credit check these days to make sure you’re responsible.
Worst of all, the system penalizes you if you try to avoid paying interest. If you just have a revolver credit history and pay off every month, you won't get the highest score. You have to pay into loan installments to get the highest score. In other words, you got to pay interest to get a good credit.
@@pizzadoe7922 the "penalty" isn't that bad. A 720 credit score really isn't much different from a 740 score. You want a real penalty? Try missing a payment.
Well try to criticize the president and see what you get 😉
@@spacenodus7959 Winnie the Pooh doesn't have eyes everywhere. Plus, I think people exaggerate their own self-important to think he cares whatever a random troll says.
Yes the chinese one is much better system than the US one.
This is a great video. It was interesting to hear the reactions straight from the citizens. I was surprised that this topic would be OK to film in the public streets without any interference. As the last speaker said, we all need to have an open perspective of what we consume.
Because the restriction on freedom is exaggerated from western media. We Chinese, I mean ordinary folks don’t feel lack of freedom in our normal life.
@@caomilo1031 That's interesting. Sounds like for ordinary citizens it's less than what media says. Do you think it's different for higher profile citizens like Jack Ma and Peng Shuai? They "disappeared" for a months from the media.
@@Nihaofoo i dont think any ordinary citizens can answer that questions until they become higher profile ppl like those
@@Nihaofoo Ma and Peng themselves chose to keep a low profile for the time being. The western media described them as "missing". To the disappointment of the western media, they did not disappear. They appeared but the western media no longer cared about or reported them. The western media was only responsible for discrediting China but not for clarifying their own mistakes afterwards.
It is because you believe the discredited reports of western media on China that you feel that Chinese people can't be interviewed by foreign media on the street.
@@Nihaofoo They are 'disappeared' in west media, which is irrelevant to their real life. They are not pop star/ top idol that runs a living show, so ordinary Chinese ppl don't really care if they show up frequently or not.
I think it's sad for the west ppl to care so much on these topic. It would be something like weeks after the Lewinsky news, ordinary Chinese keep asking again and again for months about where is the Bill Clinton affair woman? Why is she disappeared? Why she does not show up everyday on every news? How screwed Chinese would be in such sad scenario.
This is a great video for those westerners who like to use the "-5 social credit score" meme
So funny to see so many 'China Experts' in the comments claiming that these people are lying. Well, you can just believe you what you want to believe, but as a Chinese grow up in China for the past 20 years I have never about such system. The first time I heard about this word is from TH-cam channel and comments. This is just hilarious. Btw I am in Singapore right now, so don't need to worry about I'm not telling the truth.
I wonder how many people in the comments are living in their own bubble.🤣
fr, reading these comments makes me question if we actually watched the same video XD
well technically, every single person on earth is. each individual has a certain capacity to be aware and conscious about a finite number of things
@@Vexsus22 Well, at least think and understand things from different perspectives. Personally, I would watch news from the US, Europe, Russia, Japan and China to have a better view of controversial topics. I know not everyone's able to understand different languages but at least respect others' opinions instead of calling them brainwashed or "too afraid to say the truth".
@@cathy921ontheradio I believe some do watched but still failed to comprehend especially western / American centric perspective like "who in the right mind would agree with such abomination? How dare they rob our freedom!".
Isn’t this just a credit score system? Like we have in the US? I don’t know what the extra hype was about over here in the US.
Towards the end you see them explain a different kind that is currently only being implemented in one city. Maybe you missed it. They monitor good social behaviour like being a volunteer and deduct points for littering for instance. I think the people mentioning your point didn't watch the whole video.
They deduct points if you criticize the government. It is not the same.
Yes, it's called anti-China propaganda.
No, the people in the video were talking about financial credit, that is also in other countries, however the SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM does not exist in the USA as far as citizens know. The social credit system is not known by many chinese and especially not in major chinese cities as it is only known to be rolled out as a test in the city RONGCHENG in china. Do not mistake them for the same thing, the social credit system does exist and is not the same as financial credit.
@@cornheadahh you cant have it both ways freedom means its ok to kill each other
The funny thing the Social credit system is hyped up as a CCP thing, but in reality, it's actually managed by the Province itself. Each province will have different rules and scoring system, however, have heard in the future they do want to unify this.
The difference between the Provinces is a temporary illusion of choice. Each province probably has different amounts and strictness of rules to suit the perspective and tolerance of the individual person. As you stated, they eventually plan on unifying the system, which will eventually mean one set of rules nationionally. It was always the plan from the start but they enforce it slowly to tame the people.
@@bigmaculous but it's still a financial credit system for the most part
@@bigmaculous China is kind of like the US, where each state can experiment on their policies independently, except that the Party's promotion process encourages bringing up supposed successes for national consideration. It will likely be all financial at first, until they start pitching more disturbing additions to the algorithm that they'd first test in some third-tier city even most other Chinese have never heard of.
As a Chinese, I've never heard of Social Credit System until today I saw some Tiktoks made by westerners, so I googled it and at the first I thought it is an online game🤣
The Social Credit System sounds like our credit score system in Canada. If you don't have credit (young adults) or poor credit, it limits things like getting credit cards, car loans, mortgages, you can't even get a cell phone (without deposit). It actually sounds easier to build credit their since they have it on Alipay. I kind of new it was Western media putting a negative spin on it but it's good to hear it from actual citizens. Great job Asian Boss 💪
It's a more extensive credit score system. What you have in Canada or US are financial score.
While the Social Credit Score goes further than financial, but your SOCIAL BEHAVIOR.
Xu Xiaodong in 2017 got his to lower to D for exposed Fake Kungfu Master in China. He can't use train or airplane and more.
You can see this has taken a much much further steps.
@@johnwong5317 or maybe he's a dead beat who didn't pay back loans? Lol
@@joek7031 So a deadbeat who has his own gym, able to have money to travel to different locations and other countries for matches and have lots of people to support him.
Yet you think he can't pay his loans right after he exposed those Fake Kungfu Master?
I now question yours intelligent and yours critical thinking.
@@joek7031 Not to mention Chinese Millionaires and even Billionaires offer any Kungfu Master to beat him.
Oh right, you believe in those "Mystic" Power from Chinese Kungfu Masters as well, right?
@@joek7031 "After the fight went viral, there was significant blowback on social media where he was accused of disparaging Chinese culture and his family received death threats. Beverage tycoon Chen Sheng offered over a million US dollars to any traditional tai chi fighter who could beat him.[10][11] Following this, police stopped a fight against another self-proclaimed tai chi master, Ma Baoguo who allegedly called them in, and Xu was banned for organizing tournaments at his gym.[7][9][12] Xu continued to fight self-proclaimed tai chi masters.[13]"
Really interesting and diverse opinions. Thanks for the great work!
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nice video ASIAN BOSS!!!!!!!!!! I very much liked this style of video and i hope to visit shanghi some day!!!!!!!!
Wonderful content. Happy that the "social credit" thing has already became a corny meme.
What an open eyes video. Thanks, Asian Boss for bringing their perspectives!
When you use apps and agreeing their terms and conditions, you ALLOW them to fully access your phone folders, files, photos, etc ... in short, we are "consciously" accepting to get our privacy get invaded... it happens everywhere in the world, not just China... the solution to not get monitored is simply not using phone and internet.
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I understand that the U.S media overreacts to things about China. But when people "mysteriously disappear" after criticizing the government, its not a good look.
China is geared towards a social harmony while America is geared towards individual liberties. Both are theoretically ideal goals but they do overlap in values which leads to conflict between the two states
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Did you watch the whole thing? Non-financial credit ratings has already been implemented and are looking to expand as in whether you have a phone or not if you walk your dog the wrong way you get punished
@@Sasa-pq2ziLmao, "walk your dog the wrong way you get punished"
You're actually hilarious
We have something similar in the US called the credit card system. Can't find a home to rent in California unless you have a very high score even though you make more than enough to pay for rent.
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@@user-gongaesa If China goes inside it, what about its tributary state Korean?f
That’s because commifornia is too close to china that’s why you have that system now go back to liberal shithole LA
@@alexanderl.6207 What does that make rural america whom more often than not tend to have it worse?
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Love what the last man said about how biases stem from one not stepping out of our own bubble.
This is a spicy topic! Kudos Asian Boss!
The videos make me happy. Literally. I don’t like it when people think there is only one side of a story, as the last guy said it, only good or bad, there is not.
Thank you guys, it’s always very enjoyable to watch content that creates a tighter bond between us as humans.
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
The difference between China's and West's credit system is that personal credit is judged by the government, not by individuals or capital consortia.
There's more to it though. I'm sure Citibank doesn't care in the slightest what comments you make online or about the government. The CCP certainly cares about that though.
@@fallen546 So says a westerner who knows China better than those living in it.
This was interesting. Most had knowledge about the concept, but I wondered how they felt about it from a personal perspective. I wanted to know what effect it had on each of them. The lady who showed her score had me laughing 😆 She shops often
i just checked my score. it is just around 650 so hers is really high...
so she's like, check mine~
She's definitely one of the more wealthy individuals. Look at her outfit
much like us flashing our membership tier hahahaha
Hi! great to know a real asset! Keep up good work! the great people of China are the only in world people who genuinely support their own government, China government not 'pretend' to please western nazis like well-meaning loser Putin did until liberation of nazi Ukraine!👌🏻
I just checked also my score 727 ! Yeah ! But I’m just user of Alipay who don’t live in China.
These videos are helpful. I commend you for doing this.
It's interesting to see a genuine Chinese citizen's take on this concept and especially to see the Western "take" on such a concept turned into its own form of propaganda. I don't agree with "social credit" in the slightest but these videos do help put into perspective that every single country has its own version of events on what is happening outside of our own land. If you speak multiple languages you can check this for yourself by reading the same world event covered by different countries. It's very interesting.
The other issue this poses, if the Western news sources are to be believed as fact, then everything these people said automatically could fall under "well of course they'd say that, they're terrified of their government, what if they get caught?" So it's become quite a difficult discussion to have earnestly.
The school application thing did worry me as it all seems very much geared to keep the poorer citizens out of better education and continues a cycle of being put in your "place".
I wouldn't say they're "scared". Only conditioned.
What we know for SURE is that people disappear in China. Often.
People disappear in the US too, but not nearly as often and it's not at all accepted as normal.
You're right about the global picture being different for sure - hell, they love to rant and rave in comment sections if you look hard enough. 😂
Their baseline normal is different - the problem arises when we pretend that different is good by default, or that you're racist or something for criticizing a foreign government regime.
As it stands, the Chinese government is pure evil carrying a briefcase - and a lot of the evil facets of other governments look to them as a guide. They're essentially a case study in authoritarian control dynamics.
@@piterpraker3399 disappear…often…don’t watch too many falungong cult media plz, remember Jack Ma? Did he really disappeared? Like what you have been told by the media? And recently Peng Shuai, did she really disappeared? Epstein do disappeared though.
@@piterpraker3399 No one's getting detained in China for speaking on the streets, unless you're actively and obviously organizing against the government in bad faith (is in, not constructively to build a better society, just to cause harm).
To do so would be laughably incredibly dumb in so many ways, stop swallowing propaganda from US oligarch funded media. Weapons manufacturer managers writing opinion pieces on foreign policy should say everything.
Considering Iraq media blitz and the later media silence on the US civilian killed in a drone strike in Yemen - a country the US isn't even at war with, people ought to know better. They tried to claim they had no idea he was there, (the reason for droning countries the US is not even at war with was never fully justified), then later tried to guilt-by-association him by claiming that his father was a terrorist while refusing to declassify evidence, and then a few years later his sister was killed by a commando attack.
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@@piterpraker3399 I have been living in China for 2 years and I have never heard of anyone disappearing. I have met many Chinese people and none has ever heard of anyone having disappeared. I can tell you that if someone actually disappeared, nobody in China would accept it at normal. It would be all over the news and social media.
Last post to this video, great job Asian Boss. Very unbiased interview. Please keep on doing more street interviews in China.
It seems like it's the same as the credit score we have in the US.
Great content, can't get enough of this,.......would be even better with Chinese or even Pinyin translations.
i m Chinese, every i say wtf is that, the guy on the TH-cam call me wumao or i get ccp money
same 哈哈哈哈
I live in china and didn't know that this applies to foreigners too....I checked, got a good score....very interesting.
Lol the CCP is monitoring you
@@gadgetgasspoll2923 I mean, everyone knows that.
@@gadgetgasspoll2923 you think you are not being monitored?
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This video really hit the nail on its head!
chinese people have such a energy . they almost seam from a different world . its kinda amazing lol .