What an EPIC era of pool. The fans are so genuinely appreciative and fascinated by the sport. Today, they clam out of contrivance and mandate by producers who seek to synthesize spectator interest to infect the viewership. THANK YOU for the upload. If you have any early Efren/Filipinos, buddy hall...or Earl, please upload them.
still amazing to witness McCready's side winder stroke. so pure, so effortless, so accurate. Seems like a very comfortable style, standing more upright.
@@georgotheturtle in reality, especially if you study Evgeny Stalev, its a more effect and complete and user friendly style universally, especially if one is opposite eye dominant like most players are. Because for perfect example, his opponent mike segal, the best ever mechanics so far, its next to impossible to line up square like he does for just about every shot he shoots. The only difference is that, the chicken wing inward sidearm style is more complex than figuring out how to make it work for all the shots that you encounter, but the advantages are tremendous especially going low and straight with the q and if you watch Luat vs cole dickson, the final shot in the short video with a razor thin cut back bank by Luat, in my opinion the only way it could be done is with the very low and slowly accelerating tip trajectory which he pulls off perfectly and that's because his style is very similar except he plays a high elbow sidearm with thumb down and it's very unique but Keith is more piston stroke sidearm thumb down. The biggest key though to the style as well as Keith himself is that if you look closely, his stick is generally always accelerating through the ball where most players even pros on many shots are decelerating through the cue ball and the reason why that's important is because if the stick is in fact accelerating through the cue ball, then the stick trajectory will usually always be very stable in three dimensions. Orcollo is a perfect example of a stable trajectory while accelerating because if you watch his stroke closely you'll see that his plane of trajectory never changes and goes smoothly through the ball but the stick rarely if ever deflects and this is a trait that is or tends to be very common with the higher echelon players as opposed to pure pendulum stroke where the tip must make cue ball contact at the bottom of the pendulum Arc and ultimately is arguably the very best style but it's so hard to master and arguably impossible across the board because you have to physically set up a certain way that not all people can do based off of kinsiology. But for all that gain that can be achieved there is a flip side in which being a little bit off punishes you on the shot because the window of opportunity is so much smaller but this is a fact that the forearm in a pool stroke is the only mechanical setup that can deliver the queue the fastest for speed and Power even though it goes against the grain of logic because the mind instinctively thinks that to achieve speed and Power there must be a big take back and a big physical driving force forward but that always means an elbow drop which is a piston stroke and that set up could never achieve a compact speed that a high elbow achieves and Earl Strickland is a perfect example of that and who will doubt what he can achieve as far as full-length power draws and so forth that the Piston stroke tends to not achieve without a tremendous amount of timing and stability. Its been theorized that the hybrid player of the future would in fact be sidearm because if one tries it the first thing you'll notice is that the vertical plane tends to be very stable. Its the vertical plane that is the biggest culprit for missing in pool that most players don't understand because from the shooter perspective and that's where you get your data from full practice and experience, but it's very difficult to see whether your tip is rising or descending versus the two-dimensional perspective from the shooter side in which you can tend to only see laterally left and right. Just because our stick finishes straight does not mean success because a tip rising versus descending produces tremendously different outcomes.
Look at the last 3 ball shot sequence from 6to 9 at 11:35..... especially the 9, stable vertical trajectory plus acceleration through the cue ball. The best way to determine this is if you watch on the 8 ball, his stick trajectory looks as if somebody is pulling from the tip side with a string and that is a clear sign of acceleration and once more, told to me by a good player one time, that when he is playing his best, it feels as if he is not stroking his stick forward and rather the stick is getting pulled forward, if you understand the meaning.
..... and as a side note of observation and I believe is fact, I don't think anybody delivers a cue with acceleration and plane stability like Jeffrey Ignacio does and that's why when you watch him play, it looks very different, because it is in fact very different. In other words, he's hitting the contact point of the cue ball in a sense, with the back of his stick and there is one shot in particular but I don't have the time to pull up the video, where he shoots a seven ball to the side pocket but the speed that the seven ball traveled versus the output of his stroke and stick delivery was if it does not match and if you think about it, the only way that this could be achievable is if the stick itself was on perfect plane all the way from the back of the stick through the cue ball because when you watch the shot it looks as if he's just going to bunt the cue ball but the physics is so perfect that the entire weight of the stick got into the shot and the seven went to the side pocket as if he applied a medium power stroke, like how one would shoot a spot shot. that is also the secret to his break because everybody basically knows when you watch Ignacio break he physically delivers with what appears no physical effort, yet the rack explodes and this is where somebody like Dr Dave doesn't know what the hell he's talking about describes as accuracy and if that were true then any spot on the cue ball that you are delivering to if in fact a blue chalk Mark hits that spot well then we are being accurate, yes? Then how come it does not produce the same result that Ignacio achieves? Its obvious based off of what Willie mosconi said and that is, the better your alignment, the less physical effort you need to apply to the shot. There is only one explanation for that and that is the entire stick as a vector on a three-dimensional plane from the back of the q to the tip is going through the perceived shot line and if I were to stroke a stick at your chest it would certainly hurt a lot more if I delivered perfectly as if a dart versus a tip that is swerving toward the bull's eye on your chest and that is what I call diminished vector which results in less transmission of energy at the point of contact. No different than a good Carpenter who swings his hammer from the elbow and not the wrist and drives the mass of the hammerhead directly into the nail to deliver it flush in one swing. Thats something that Dr Dave will never explain or perhaps even notice.
@@grump9272 Not in this particular tournament but I do have Buddy Hall playing Mark Tadd at the South Bay shootout. It's 9-ball.....best of 3 sets. I've been meaning to post it but too lazy:)
This video was shot by JJ Jenkins (you can hear him negotiating with someone for a $20 bill in the background - lol)! Great video featuring: Howard Vickery, Rafael Martinez, Arturo Riviera (could not identify his opponent; who won the match), Jeff Carter, Dave Piona, Francisco Bustamante, George Micheals, and of course Keith McCready & Mike Sigel. Also, sounded like Scott Smith on the mic announcing the matches of: Steve Mizerak, Danny Medina, Johnny Archer, Ismael "Morro" Paez and surely more. Race to 13 nine-ball, or longer, is the only way to go for professionals.
Man, just back and forth running racks. I will achieve this someday. I have somewhat natural ability, but more work ethic. Nothing compared to the talent these men have achieved through lifetimes of pool.
Mike Sigel retired from pool as the number one ranked player this year. He won 3 majors and had a high finish in The US Open (3rd I believe). When he is playing his game I have not seen another player that can match it as far as fundamental and technical skill.
That's right. He lines up and swings down the line. Like ko yin pi but much more functional. It's like he's in perpetual dead punch, piece of cake. Mechanics.
my my how times have changed ....... meanwhile klent . shane . and a handful of others are still on there first rack ....... but this match talk about the beauty and the beast ....... in this frame alone i havent seen a single safety unless i missed one but i attribute that to the set up of the tables and how aggressive it allowed the players to be ....... also and maybe its just me but there angles and patterns looked different
The patterns are different for sure. With Mike it is a pure 14.1 style of moving the cue ball. As little movement and as few rails as possible even if he has to accept a long shot which he was the best at. Keith is pure instinct.
@@nickbulls5458 No other way to say that. I was with him for 3 yr before he left CA. Watch him shoot a lot of pool and learned a lot. Once, Hard Times Bellflower CA, Him and EFren playing "One Pocket" to 10 ahead, took..all..night. He won then o9ff to the track.Great times!
I think only Tony Drago plays faster than Keith McCready, and I'm not positive about that either. It's damn close. But if I had to pick one of them to win a match to save my life and they both are in their prime, it's no contest, I'm going with McCready.
Keith always played fast, love him for it! You could go out for a sandwich between some of Sigel's shots. Keith usually talks constantly while he's doing it. Not sure, but I think he stopped using by the time of this match.
THE BEST ERA IN POOL!!! LOVE THESE OLD VIDEOS!!! THANK YOU UPLOADING THESE PIECES OF HISTORY!
Boy, I used to drive to San Diego , to LA to Las Vegas to watch these greats play.
Sheety rack by Mike in the first one shown, and then he has to check the rack at 8:02🙄
take a good look at mccready here...then go look at him 10 years later.....
What a great video. I love Mccreadys style. Bring back this era of pool and don't ever forget legends like these
What an EPIC era of pool. The fans are so genuinely appreciative and fascinated by the sport. Today, they clam out of contrivance and mandate by producers who seek to synthesize spectator interest to infect the viewership.
THANK YOU for the upload. If you have any early Efren/Filipinos, buddy hall...or Earl, please upload them.
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No finish?
btw....i have never seen a better shot maker than McCready,,,,,,not cue control.....but no one made tough shots look as easy as he did
still amazing to witness McCready's side winder stroke. so pure, so effortless, so accurate. Seems like a very comfortable style, standing more upright.
We hardly see any upcoming new players with that stroke anymore
Supposedly he started so young that that was the only way he could shoot on the table
@@georgotheturtle in reality, especially if you study Evgeny Stalev, its a more effect and complete and user friendly style universally, especially if one is opposite eye dominant like most players are.
Because for perfect example, his opponent mike segal, the best ever mechanics so far, its next to impossible to line up square like he does for just about every shot he shoots. The only difference is that, the chicken wing inward sidearm style is more complex than figuring out how to make it work for all the shots that you encounter, but the advantages are tremendous especially going low and straight with the q and if you watch Luat vs cole dickson, the final shot in the short video with a razor thin cut back bank by Luat, in my opinion the only way it could be done is with the very low and slowly accelerating tip trajectory which he pulls off perfectly and that's because his style is very similar except he plays a high elbow sidearm with thumb down and it's very unique but Keith is more piston stroke sidearm thumb down.
The biggest key though to the style as well as Keith himself is that if you look closely, his stick is generally always accelerating through the ball where most players even pros on many shots are decelerating through the cue ball and the reason why that's important is because if the stick is in fact accelerating through the cue ball, then the stick trajectory will usually always be very stable in three dimensions.
Orcollo is a perfect example of a stable trajectory while accelerating because if you watch his stroke closely you'll see that his plane of trajectory never changes and goes smoothly through the ball but the stick rarely if ever deflects and this is a trait that is or tends to be very common with the higher echelon players as opposed to pure pendulum stroke where the tip must make cue ball contact at the bottom of the pendulum Arc and ultimately is arguably the very best style but it's so hard to master and arguably impossible across the board because you have to physically set up a certain way that not all people can do based off of kinsiology. But for all that gain that can be achieved there is a flip side in which being a little bit off punishes you on the shot because the window of opportunity is so much smaller but this is a fact that the forearm in a pool stroke is the only mechanical setup that can deliver the queue the fastest for speed and Power even though it goes against the grain of logic because the mind instinctively thinks that to achieve speed and Power there must be a big take back and a big physical driving force forward but that always means an elbow drop which is a piston stroke and that set up could never achieve a compact speed that a high elbow achieves and Earl Strickland is a perfect example of that and who will doubt what he can achieve as far as full-length power draws and so forth that the Piston stroke tends to not achieve without a tremendous amount of timing and stability.
Its been theorized that the hybrid player of the future would in fact be sidearm because if one tries it the first thing you'll notice is that the vertical plane tends to be very stable.
Its the vertical plane that is the biggest culprit for missing in pool that most players don't understand because from the shooter perspective and that's where you get your data from full practice and experience, but it's very difficult to see whether your tip is rising or descending versus the two-dimensional perspective from the shooter side in which you can tend to only see laterally left and right.
Just because our stick finishes straight does not mean success because a tip rising versus descending produces tremendously different outcomes.
Look at the last 3 ball shot sequence from 6to 9 at 11:35..... especially the 9, stable vertical trajectory plus acceleration through the cue ball.
The best way to determine this is if you watch on the 8 ball, his stick trajectory looks as if somebody is pulling from the tip side with a string and that is a clear sign of acceleration and once more, told to me by a good player one time, that when he is playing his best, it feels as if he is not stroking his stick forward and rather the stick is getting pulled forward, if you understand the meaning.
..... and as a side note of observation and I believe is fact, I don't think anybody delivers a cue with acceleration and plane stability like Jeffrey Ignacio does and that's why when you watch him play, it looks very different, because it is in fact very different.
In other words, he's hitting the contact point of the cue ball in a sense, with the back of his stick and there is one shot in particular but I don't have the time to pull up the video, where he shoots a seven ball to the side pocket but the speed that the seven ball traveled versus the output of his stroke and stick delivery was if it does not match and if you think about it, the only way that this could be achievable is if the stick itself was on perfect plane all the way from the back of the stick through the cue ball because when you watch the shot it looks as if he's just going to bunt the cue ball but the physics is so perfect that the entire weight of the stick got into the shot and the seven went to the side pocket as if he applied a medium power stroke, like how one would shoot a spot shot.
that is also the secret to his break because everybody basically knows when you watch Ignacio break he physically delivers with what appears no physical effort, yet the rack explodes and this is where somebody like Dr Dave doesn't know what the hell he's talking about describes as accuracy and if that were true then any spot on the cue ball that you are delivering to if in fact a blue chalk Mark hits that spot well then we are being accurate, yes?
Then how come it does not produce the same result that Ignacio achieves?
Its obvious based off of what Willie mosconi said and that is, the better your alignment, the less physical effort you need to apply to the shot.
There is only one explanation for that and that is the entire stick as a vector on a three-dimensional plane from the back of the q to the tip is going through the perceived shot line and if I were to stroke a stick at your chest it would certainly hurt a lot more if I delivered perfectly as if a dart versus a tip that is swerving toward the bull's eye on your chest and that is what I call diminished vector which results in less transmission of energy at the point of contact. No different than a good Carpenter who swings his hammer from the elbow and not the wrist and drives the mass of the hammerhead directly into the nail to deliver it flush in one swing.
Thats something that Dr Dave will never explain or perhaps even notice.
most perfect pool tables of all time right there
Black gold crown?
@@Bluemax54 Gold crown 2 I believe.
Was this at Hard Times in Bellflower?
This is very rare footage indeed.I have several matches on dvd from this same tournament.Stuff that people only hear about.
Any matches with my old friend Cole Dickson ??
You got any Buddy Hall?
@@grump9272 Not in this particular tournament but I do have Buddy Hall playing Mark Tadd at the South Bay shootout. It's 9-ball.....best of 3 sets. I've been meaning to post it but too lazy:)
@@Grayback1973I see in 3 years laziness took over your life and it never happened. What a shame and loss for the pool community
McCready is old school.
At 18:17 who is the person playing on the other table?
Francisco Bustamante
This video was shot by JJ Jenkins (you can hear him negotiating with someone for a $20 bill in the background - lol)! Great video featuring: Howard Vickery, Rafael Martinez, Arturo Riviera (could not identify his opponent; who won the match), Jeff Carter, Dave Piona, Francisco Bustamante, George Micheals, and of course Keith McCready & Mike Sigel. Also, sounded like Scott Smith on the mic announcing the matches of: Steve Mizerak, Danny Medina, Johnny Archer, Ismael "Morro" Paez and surely more. Race to 13 nine-ball, or longer, is the only way to go for professionals.
Man, just back and forth running racks. I will achieve this someday. I have somewhat natural ability, but more work ethic. Nothing compared to the talent these men have achieved through lifetimes of pool.
Two huge ego's who thrive on attention.. great matchup!
You can say that again 😂
Was that Hawian Brian Hashimoto at 19:00?
sanjursan I was working at Hardtimes in Costa Mesa calif Keith played Brian on the bar box in front of me best seat in the house for that match up !
Pretty sure that’s Bustamante.
Mike Sigel retired from pool as the number one ranked player this year. He won 3 majors and had a high finish in The US Open (3rd I believe). When he is playing his game I have not seen another player that can match it as far as fundamental and technical skill.
That's right. He lines up and swings down the line. Like ko yin pi but much more functional. It's like he's in perpetual dead punch, piece of cake.
Mechanics.
@ 25:30 Mccready had a wall of balls to play safe, that cut shot?
Where was this tournament held? Bicycle Casino?
What a shot by Sigel at 21:25 to around the table, just miss two balls for perfect shape.
my my how times have changed ....... meanwhile klent . shane . and a handful of others are still on there first rack ....... but this match talk about the beauty and the beast ....... in this frame alone i havent seen a single safety unless i missed one but i attribute that to the set up of the tables and how aggressive it allowed the players to be ....... also and maybe its just me but there angles and patterns looked different
agree. cant stand how players today walk around the table and look at every angle on every ball on every shot. its unwatchable.
The patterns are different for sure. With Mike it is a pure 14.1 style of moving the cue ball. As little movement and as few rails as possible even if he has to accept a long shot which he was the best at. Keith is pure instinct.
@@nickbulls5458 No other way to say that. I was with him for 3 yr before he left CA. Watch him shoot a lot of pool and learned a lot. Once, Hard Times Bellflower CA, Him and EFren playing "One Pocket" to 10 ahead, took..all..night. He won then o9ff to the track.Great times!
I think only Tony Drago plays faster than Keith McCready, and I'm not positive about that either. It's damn close. But if I had to pick one of them to win a match to save my life and they both are in their prime, it's no contest, I'm going with McCready.
Keith always played fast, love him for it! You could go out for a sandwich between some of Sigel's shots. Keith usually talks constantly while he's doing it. Not sure, but I think he stopped using by the time of this match.
Kieth is a colorful fun player to watch cocky seems like he would run if ya went to kick his ass tho lol!