Pro Rider Assaults Driver & Trouble at Canyon? - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep.28
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We’re back with more news and views from the world of cycling!
Here’s the full breakdown:
00:00 Francis is back!
00:45 Could this new monitor revolutionise cycling?
10:30 Philippe Gilbert found guilty of assaulting driver on training ride
18:09 Mark Cavendish’s bike is for sale & fans are angry
22:31 Jimmi & Emily sold Attacus
25:53 The cycling gear we asked for for Christmas
33:13: Trouble at Canyon + Overrated/Underrated
35:19 Overrated/Underrated: Fixed gear bikes
37:27 Overrated/Underrated: Cycling holiday packages
41:29 Overrated/Underrated: Photochromatic lenses
42:34 Overrated/Underrated: Flat pedals
46:05 Overrated/Underrated: Classic electric guitars
47:13 Jimmi fell into a wind tunnel (FUOTW)
50:40 WEIRD dream about Jimmi & Francis
52:17 Is protective frame wrapping worth it?
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I love the audio version, but the lack of chapter markers make me go back you TH-cam.
If Emily needs a bike that fits, you guys should totally use it for content, take her to James and go through the process of buying a bike that fits from the bike fit.
This ☝🏿. I totally agree!
Very nice idea!
Yes!!
Regarding the bike fit, she did mention she sized up because of the 650b wheels, there’s a good chance that the 2XS with 650b wheels actually fit better. At 170cm, Canyon recommended an XS Grizl w/ 650b wheels for me, which is similar in size to my road bike with 700c wheels. The kicker is the outer diameter of that 650b x 45c gravel tire is the same as my 700 x 28c road tire. Now that is a gravel bike, but one of the problems with keeping 700c wheels AND similar geometry on bikes smaller than a 48-50cm top tube is toe overlap with the front wheel and a relatively long chain stay length for the rider. You can get around this by relaxing the seat and head angles as well as getting shorter cranks, but the bike just will not handle the same, hence why some manufacturers switch to smaller wheel sizes.
Ding! Totally this.
We had a VW Golf take a swipe at our group on a club ride a couple of months ago. I caught it on my camera, so sent it to the Police. They emailed me back really quickly, telling me they are prosecuting the driver.
Can I ask what camera you used? Go pro or similar? I had a nasty almost near death event with a van and car carrying trailer overtaking me with on coming traffic! I was always under the impression that the Police only accepted their own witnessing or evidence to prosecute. Cheers hopefully no one was injured or killed!
Which country?
@@aveedub7403 No injuries, jsut an aggressive close pass/swipe at high speed on a country lane. It is a Chilli Tech Action Camera, not the fanciest but a great bit of kit, and much longer battery life than a go pro.
Great podcast again guys!
Keep it up!
I have invisframed my MTB to protect it.
Mainly straight tubes so easy to do.
My road or gravel bike just usually the down tube where it gets stuff thrown up at it.
Much cheaper to do and easier when you are only doing part of it!
I’d like the Tacx Neo Bike, purely so I don’t need to keep switching my wheel on and off and reduce the wear & tear on my road bike!
Would love to see you film Emily getting a bike fit with James. Start to finish would be an awesome opportunity to showcase once again the importance of a bike fit before the purchase of a bike
This series is great! I look forward to each one. Keep it up. Re "flat pedals". Grant Petersen's book "Just Ride" likes the idea of walking up to a bike and just riding. No special shoes, no backup shoes for when you get where you're going, etc. We rented a condo on the California coast near Encinitas, CA. I took the train from there to San Diego each morning, and took my bike with fancy pedals. Two pair of shoes, treacherous walking on tile floors with fancy pedal shoes, etc. Flat pedals dispatch all that. I haven't had fancy pedals since. Oh, and I really like my Triban RC 120. I put 700x40 gravel tires on it today, plenty of room as Francis advised. I switched the too-narrow bars off yesterday. Great advise in every episode, and pretty funny stuff most of the time too. Keep it up, thanks.
Another great hours worth of cycling discussion. I always look forward to seeing you guys each week. Keep up the great work, thank you 🙏
I’m in North Carolina and getting back into cycling after 10 years. I’’ve watched/listened to so many of your videos. I really enjoy your conversations and I’m learning a lot about all the changes. My favorite change is how high the socks are. I lOVE it. Anyway cheers
Good advice on dealing with aggressive drivers! I think I’ll try this approach next time.
happy holidays guys. really enjoyed the show this year, thank you!
Several years ago I was riding and I passed a set of cars lined up to turn right (in the U.S.) on their left so I could keep going forward. The pick-up truck behind me then pulled up to me at the next red light and said "If you ever pull out in front of me again like that I'll kill you."
He had all his windows down, and a dog in the back. I leaned over and picked up a stick off the ground, looked at the dog and said "Fetch" and threw it into the adjacent park.
The dog jumped straight out the car, the light turned green. I went about my day. When I looked back I could see a line of cars honking at him as he went after chasing his dog.
A little older, a little wiser now - I try to maintain a monk like calm and not argue, but man when you do and it goes your way it's so satisfying.
8 years later, u been uploading vlogs and videos for 7-8 years, watched them all. lots of videos, many years, strong relationships around you, nice group of people. thank you, happy hollidays.
How to apply helicopter tape or 3M clear bra tape: Spray the tape and frame with water that has a very little amount of dish soap in it. This will allow you to move the tape to the right spot. Then you squeegee out the water from between the frame and tape. It will take a couple of tries so do it on the inside of the fork. Its really easy, I have done two complete bikes and sections of several others. Good Luck
Best holiday wishes to the Cade Media Empire.
It's been my experience that one can usually build up a smaller sized bike, but never make one that is too large fit comfortably.
Thanks as usual.
Canyon uses 650b wheels for a good reason: not to mess the geometry. If you put 700c wheels on a XXS bike you end up messing with all the frame angles...
I was one time passed at no distance and signaled the international handsign for Stopp! with my middlefinger. Long story short: I won the argument by asking the driver what he would do or think if I passed his children with a car the same way he passed me.
I always bring their kids into it
They get Mad AF, it’s just their entitlement.
I’ve smashed way too many car driver windows, never had to pay for any of them 😂😂😂
It ain’t just smashing stuff either, certain liquids can cause thousands of dollars in damage
Don’t play with my life drivers and I won’t drain your finances or ruin your car
I never can get enough of the Wild Ones, you too Emily, Keep up the great work, Cheers from Austin TX
absolutely loved tiede! would love to hear about your experiences of tenerife, i love it out there! i daily commute on a fixie as im in a fairly flat area, the "feel" of fixie is something special
NGL this week's FUOTW is the most fun and most FU moment imo, also good to know nobody got cubed.
ps. real cool of Francis to remember the Lazer room scene in the Resident Evil movie.
Watching 1 minute after upload. Perfect timing for lunch break entertainment. 😎
I live in Germany. Officially you are not allowed to film on the streets. So if I record someone crashing me, they won’t want to accept the recording as proof. What a stupid system really, I have had issues several times with car drivers
Love your podcast and videos! keep up the entertaining and educational work :)
Love the podcast..one the only ones i can watch from start to finish.
I test lactate regularly at home on the trainer while I’m riding. It’s actually pretty straightforward and painless. One finger prick lasts an hour doing efforts. I use it mainly to guide intensity and make sure I stay within certain ranges depending on the desired training effect.
Exact same experience as Jimmy with a white van (although the guy chased me home repeatedly trying to knock me off) reported that and the fact the van in question had no MOT or insurance. Police never even got back to me…
This is why I take the law into my own hands
Never had any repercussions,
We don’t really have 🔫 over here, but you can load up your bike with plenty of other things.
Thinking about switching back to my modded straight handlebars, which have scooter like pins that I can pull a certain amount of the handle bar off and have a weapon instantly, with a nice comfortable handle. It may or may not have something else on the end of it, not my problem
They wanted to f^ck around
They got to find out
Love my steel single speed. Its my daily commuter, so simple, so reliable. Plus it reminds me of riding in my childhood.
There's a pretty fast section of one of my favorite rides that takes place on a painted line bike lane on a fairly high speed road. I tend to really book it through that section to get back to the segregated bike trails. About a month ago now, while I was going about 30mph down this road, a guy in a pickup truck decided that the best time to pull into the road was when I was about 10 yards from him. Earned himself a one finger salute.
The Garmin Varia is a good idea, with the camera traffic watch GPS and the speed monitored. I use Cycliq camera because it has lines superimposed on the image, that are 1.5m so you can see when cars are illegally close
I wouldn't want anything but my Niner RLT9 on my turbo. It's been fitted excellently twice. The most recent one by my chiropractor actually straightens my spine. Translates perfectly to gravel/road RL and it fixes my back on outdoor rides as well.
Nice real time edit cuts Emily..keeps the conversation lively and engaging.
I've had the driver of a Land Rover Defender shout "get off the road" at me. The Defender is an off-road vehicle...
My take on the Neo 3M or Bike. The bike is nice for trying out gearing before buying for a new road bike. Feeling the jumps between gears, and having the right gears to spin in. I know its not an exact replica of them, but I have loved being able to try different gearing ranges before fitting them to bikes. Merry Xmas, hope you get what you want.
You should definitely make a video about the trials and tribulations of finding and perhaps modifying/upgrading a bike for Emily! 🚴🏼♀️😃
happy christmas emily and boys.! it was fun discovering your work this year. :)
Merry Christmas Wild Ones!
These podcasts get better and better, and they were good to begin with. Had a chuckle at Jimmey's visual description of 'commuting on a singlespeed'. Hands in front on an imaginary pair of narrow handlebars.😂 Should be made into an emoji🤔😉
21:03 as someone who has worked on Cavs training bike quite a few times, I can tell that he takes a lot of care for his equipment.
Interesting as always, take care and have fun.
Congrats about Atticus! Would love to ears a little bit about the entrepreneuriat side of the story! Love the content you produce
38:20 the ones organised by Rapha etc where you train in “special places” with experts etc are expensive but in Belgium you have some like Kortweg or Baguet who just book hotels, planes and with some have guides and your own bike they are quite reasonable. But they are less of an “experience”
53:37 I know 3m has a special coating that you can “paint” on and drys clear. It’s meant to stop stone chips and uv paint fading. Also hello to my favourite bald man.
Use Crankbrother Mallet flat/clip pedal for mountain biking, even if you pull out you still have a platform, and as you pedal it will clip you in. Only negative for Crankbrother pedals is that im a clydesdale and the axle's are weak (snap after a year). I ride DMR flats usually and race gravel.
Great job guys!
great content, keep up the good work
Canyon was discounting so heavily this summer that I bought not one, but two bikes from them. Massively underrated for the price - good bikes at standard retail, great bikes at the discounted prices. So…good for me but bad for Canyon’s profits. Apparently, Canyon had to relearn the old lesson that you can’t sell at a loss and make it up on volume.
Only saw discounts on the "unwanted" models.
The super high priced aeroads and the ultimates as they don't sell compared to the aeroad as even the canyon teams almost never switch to the ultimate.
But I don't like the way canyon changed their marketing to becoming the super hipster bikes instead of producing good bikes which are affordable for everyone.
Rose the other German bike seller went even more extreme. They bought old and heavy German ex riders to sell their bike for extreme prices without even having a real pro team or any Windtunnel testing.
I guess ‘unwanted’ is in the eye of the beholder. You may not have wanted any of the discounted bikes, but I did, and according to their sales figures, thousands of others did as well. There were plenty of discounted bikes in the $1000-3000 range.
@@carlchambers617 yeah that's totally true. I was only looking at the cheaper sram aeroads. :) but guess Aero bikes with electric shifting were just the "thing" of the season :)
@@nicolas2838“Canyon…super hipster bikes…“
@@Mas421 How do you figure?
Hi guys, on the topic of frame resprays I had a carbon repair on my propel and had a complete colour change for £500. A lot places now can media blast a carbon frame speeding up the prep time. The colour was called spectraflair and is a chameleon style flip paint, I'm not bothered about paint protection too much as the respray is quite affordable. However I think it voids your frame warranty!!
UCI banned the sugar and lactate senzors because of the uneven competition. Not all PRO teams have the necessary resources to use these senzors. That's why.
Photochromatic ORANGE lenses are the shit, but seem to be rare as hell. Very good for autumn and spring when you are dipping in and out of sunlight, but when light can also be low and flat- the orange gives contrast in those conditions.
Definitely used to struggle with road rage on the bike. One fall as a result of it though has changed my outlook 😅
Another great vid lads!
I would definitely buy a continuous lactate meter. FTP as 60’ power poorly estimates my LT1/2 so lactate testing has helped a lot but it would be great to have it during normal training rides.
Frame protection: I only install it on the downtube (for rocks from the front wheel) and the headtube (brake housing rub). That's plenty on a road bike.
Flat pedals all the way here, sold my shoes and cleats, just more practical for me
For cars there is now protective film that's sprayed on, and can be peeled off. British brand I think. It takes a clean car, not sure how prepped the bike frame would need to be or how hard the shapes would be to spray it on.
Cycling with a male friend (single file, no shoulder on road, riding far to the right side) when a truck from behind honked and gunned the engine going by us then pulled sharply in front of us into a drive. The driver got out and ran, yelling towards us. I barely missed him with my front wheel, he went straight for my friend and started a fist fight in the middle of the road. He got up off the road grabbed the bike and threw it. Luckily (major luck) a black SUV pulls up, Secret Service, he saw it all, cuffed the driver and waited for the city PD. The driver was jailed, after his sentence he had to pay a fine, then pay for and take anger management classes and pay for all repairs on the bike.
Singlespeed bikes are great for training if not tooo hilly. I've done some crits singlespeed and it was oddly fine. Just a wider cadance range and at high speed you get economical with the number over revolutions you do, drafting, etc.
On the MTB it has won me a race because it just worked better. On some trails singlespeed is a tools to get around faster.
Getting good at one cadance as I'd gotten before, caused me to shift like mad and not go forward much, no high and low end cadance efficiency and a super narrow optimal cadance band around 90 rpm or so. On the road bike 111 rpm, with hugely long legs and forcedly shorter cranks.
How long before a TH-camr buys a 'team frame' and cuts up the frame to prove they are 'different' from frames sold to the public.
I love that Jimmi just described the amount I ride on the turbo during winter (roughly the same as Chris, maybe a little less) as "an offensive amount" 😂
Can I hire you convince my wife to let me get the Wahoo Bike or the Neo Bike?
You could Hydro Dip the bike frame. It costs around £200 and gives you a certain degree of protection. It looks great and you can have all sorts of colours and patterns. 👍
@40:50 is that the Le Blanq trips? they look pretty darn amazing!
I like flats for all bikes. I do like clipless mtb sod pedals. But I do a lot of bar hopping party pace rides. Regular shoes are so much more pleasant
Flat pedals: My old knee injury is easily irritated when clipped in. It took about a week to get used to flat pedals, and I have not looked back. Personally for any recreational level cycling I don't think there is anything detrimental to your performance once you have adapted.
Lactate threshold is the tipping point for generating too much lactate for your body to clear. Sweetspot is below that point, and FTP is often overestimated.
Did the extremely small frame come with shorter cranks? I'm just 193cm but I am poretty much stuck with cranks that are too short to get leverage on. My cadence for this reason is higher than I'd like.
I with Francis on the Fixie, My Fixie Groad bike is the funist bike I own.
I particularly liked the last question about protecting a carbon frame. I am currently riding my first carbon gravel bike and I worry quite a bit about it. I could be a bit more easy going about accepting little chips and scratches but I have heard that bike bags could essentially “rub a hole in the carbon” damaging the integrity of the frame not just how it looks if not protected properly with some kind of film or tape.
I actually feel this lowers my trust in a carbon frame for a bike used for bikepacking.
CGM monitors for diabetes are used by the novo nordisk teams but are banned by the UCI. This is the same concept for lactate. I’ve used them, but they are so expensive if not on prescription. Abbott Libre £50 per sensor and it only lasts 2 weeks.
Franics is looking for the "It's a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart" quote to describe fixies ;-)
One gear is just better.
We tend to be less of a flop too
I ride Single Speed
It’s generally the riders with more than 1 gear that are complete w@nkers
GCN did a video testing the difference with flat pedals with good stiff shoes vs clipped in. There was virtually no difference. Loved it 😅
The main efficiency benefit from being clipped in, is that your feet are always in the optimum position to transfer your power, whereas with flat pedals your feet could be anywhere.
I know of a case there a Garmin Varia has been successful both in terms of prosecution and insurance payouts. A bit like cctv tho, doesn’t necessarily deter but can help catch/provide evidence.
Jumping the comments above would love to see a bikefit Emily video. My spouse has similar sizing issues and would selfishly love to see it. Love the show lads 😊
Had a truck buzz us on a group ride. My Cycliq camera recorded it and a rider memorized the plate#. I send the details and plate# to the sheriffs dept, and a deputy visited the driver (an 85 year old guy who objected in principle to sharing the road with cyclists) The deputy gave him a warning. It’s something, I guess🤔
Love the content
Just crashed last weekend 😢 and put nasty scuff on my carbon bike… to a degree where you can’t buff it off and may need build up few layers of paint to even it out 😮 probably will end up asking friend nail artist to help out.. luckily its scratch not an impact damage
A complicaing feature is that there are two lactate thresholds. This is one reason why lactose monitors will be so useful forcrscers.
Watching and listening with my popcorn 🍿🍿🍿
Love it peeps, keep up the good work
Speaking as someone who does not have much power, I find lifting the trailing pedal a great bonus (it takes a bit of practice). Just lifting the weight of your foot leg etc rather than have to lift it by pressing harder on the leading foot and being negative power. Lifting your trailing foot is a natural part of walking so not very difficult though training the "lifting" muscles and getting used to it takes a few weeks but well worth it. However you can't do it with flat pedals. Free power!
I like your podcast more and more
Well, actually, you can get LA-UA blood testers in the USA for a couple hundred dollars and just need to set up a table next to your indoor trainer. Looking for HR @ 2.0 MM for Z2ceiling.
Wear on a turbo bike is a lot less than you’d think, I have my old bike on turbo and haven’t changed the chain and cassette for about 3 years, racking up 10000km+ I didn’t even line the chain and left the original packing grease on for the first 18 months or so, I check the chain and it just doesn’t wear down with the lack of dirt you get outside
A turbo solution: ebay frame, 105 drive train, and shifters. Boom done. Its always set up, and you don't ruin your "good" bike Cheers. .
Where I live, there wasn't any interesting discounts from Canyon. The more interesting configurations are not discounted or are always low in stock. Looks like they need to reduce their range and focus on models that sell.
The wind tunnel story…priceless! 😂
Guys great video, but you should fix focus on your face/eyes because it is focused on microphone. Anyway Happy Xmas to y'all!
I feel like anytime I hear about prices for getting things fixed or painted whether it’s a car or bike it always sounds so much cheaper in the UK than here in the US.
I ride flats because it make the knee pain I get clipped in go away. It's nice to be able to vary my foot position on a ride. I'd love to find a good stiff shoe designed for road biking. They all seem to be mountain bike orientated.
WTF, that's BS about SPD's. I have a Saris H3 Turbo and SPD power pedals, i can do 1350w in a sprint without coming out, and I ride with my pedals almost at the lowest tension. I just like to move my knee/ankle angle during long rides.
Road rage is supper funny. The greatest thing is seeing the same car later on & accidentally kicking the wing mirror off 😂
I watched a video recently where an 'expert' said that to get the right geometry on smaller road bikes the wheels need to be smaller than 700. It may be worth buying different tubes and tyres to get a good fit...🤷♂️
There's an adaptive A.I. based FTP guesstimate thingy in Trainer Road
The wind tunnel bit made me think of [any] James Bond film where the villain has him tied to a table w/ a laser or a giant saw, _but first_ ... he must reveal his evil plan
Guitars ….. 1958 Supro Dual Tone 😍 And I have one 😂 Merry Christmas guys 👍
I used to love Francis’ old vlog vids. It got me back into cycling after years away from the sport. But I’ve found I just can’t watch these new podcasts anymore. I’ve given it a good try. Not sure I’ve missed many. But unfortunately I just find it’s the same as many other cycling videos on TH-cam now. I used to love the red hook crit vids, the days spent just hanging out with Jimmy and Chris and James, the travel vlogs etc. I know people evolve and move on so I just wanted to say I’ve loved what you did and I love that it helped rekindle a passion for me but I think I’m going to part ways with Cade Media for now. It’s gone in a direction that just doesn’t scratch an itch for me. All the best with its continued growth.
When I was delivering Driver Improvement courses (like Speed Awareness but for things other than speeding) we regularly had clients who were there because they had been caught on cyclists' Go-Pros and uploaded to the dedicated police portals for this
Living in Newcastle, where does a cervelo repaint recommend please?
I watch y'all regularly even though my only working bike right now is my commuter fixed-gear -- it's kind of an "un-fixie" though, tall stem and low gear ratio (46x19) on a Soma Rush for hill climbing and spinning down hills. I like to joke that it's an "urban randonneur" setup. I think the hypebeast tarck fixed-gear scene is overrated (even if some of those guys look really cool doing it), but I think fixed-gear bikes in practical guise with stuff like brakes and fenders are squarely underrated as working bicycles
Merry Christmas
I have 43 really long legs but even for the two I can't get a suitable length on the market. Around 21% of inseam is optimal. Over 200mm for me. And even if I had them and put them on a bike, it would be un rideable unless a custom higher BB.
To me, wrapping a bike is like putting plastic shrink wrap over a new sofa.
Which I would do ;)
I have an ex team bike, an ex Canyon Aeroad CFR Wiv Sungod. Why wouldn't I ride it?! I do, have done all summer. It's an amazing bike, well specced with Ultegra DI2 and added Hunt 54mm Aerodynamicist wheels.