How Michael Keaton Reinvented Batman for the Big Screen

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  • @juliamays6203
    @juliamays6203 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Burton said in an interview that he cast Keaton because of the eyes. The eyes had to come through the suit and cowl, and Keaton's eyes had that touch of madness.

  • @stevegeorge6880
    @stevegeorge6880 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The exchange that sold it for me:
    It's Japanese.
    How do you know?
    Because I bought it in Japan.
    Just something about how he threaded the tones among humor, ego, and a surprising shyness.

  • @renatocorvaro6924
    @renatocorvaro6924 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    So, my dad never liked Michael Keaton as Batman, in his words, "Because he's too small. Batman needs to be a big guy, like Adam West."
    This is how I first learned, as a child, that even intelligent people that I respect can be petty dipshits sometimes.

  • @TightPantsJack
    @TightPantsJack ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I've always wondered if Wayne Enterprises even exists in the Burton/Keaton version. There's no reference to it in either film, and at one point Max Shreck refers to Wayne as a “trust fund goodie goodie."
    I imagine Keaton's Bruce Wayne is completely anti-social (given that Knox didn't even recognize him, despite being a native Gotham journalist). No public face, no captain of industry-- just an awkward loner living with his butler in an old mansion on the outskirts of the city. What better cover for Batman?

    • @AaronLitz
      @AaronLitz ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think the Wayne family in that continuity is just _very_ old money, to the point that Bruce doesn't even _need_ Wayne Enterprises to maintain the family fortune and finance the Batman's war.

    • @Tasby12
      @Tasby12 ปีที่แล้ว

      In other words, Tim Burton.

    • @B.B.Digital_Forest
      @B.B.Digital_Forest ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It worked for Kent Allard.

    • @Chad_Max
      @Chad_Max ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Burton/Keaton films all felt like sequels. Even B89 felt like a sequel. A lot of things were assumed in the film - the wealth, the how he becomes Batman, where everything comes from. Exposition was never a strong point for Burton...

    • @DanielAppleton-lr9eq
      @DanielAppleton-lr9eq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AaronLitz Bruce is *almost* the Anti - Stark ( as in Tony ).

  • @st.anselmsfire3547
    @st.anselmsfire3547 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Burton's neo-noir Gothic aesthetic for Gotham City has also had a huge influence on how Gotham City is depicted in media.
    A lot of younger fans don't realize just how much of Batman came out of this movie, and how insane the reactions were to Keaton being cast.

    • @kevinkeeney9418
      @kevinkeeney9418 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I remember a panel from "Crisis on Infinite Earths" -- which came out just 4 years before this movie -- where Arkham Asylum is depicted as...a hospital! Just a regular-looking hospital. It's hard to even imagine now.

    • @christophercarey3232
      @christophercarey3232 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Burton's neo-noir Gothic aesthetic for Gotham City has also had a huge influence on how Gotham City is depicted in media."
      Yeah, Especially the Batmobile's design.

    • @DanielAppleton-lr9eq
      @DanielAppleton-lr9eq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christophercarey3232 Yonder Batmobile looked sleek & high tech while having the look of a Nash Rambler.

    • @DanielAppleton-lr9eq
      @DanielAppleton-lr9eq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevinkeeney9418 Arkham was supposed to be something like a suburb of Hell. It was a dumping ground for irrevocably, irredeemably LOST SOULS. It would've inspired Dante while writing the Inferno.

  • @krazyglue60
    @krazyglue60 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    17:20 Ha! “Some days you just can’t get rid of a bomb!” was my favorite line from the 1966 Batman film. Thanks for the reference! 👏🏻

  • @MaxMercuryAnonymous
    @MaxMercuryAnonymous ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Aside from the big climax parts, Michael Keaton’s Batman is Batman by way of Bugs Bunny. That wry smile, the bomb switch, it’s like he’s moments away from saying “Ain’t I a stinker?”
    Also, side note, this is the second time Chris Walken has been cast as an evil industrialist named Max. There’s typecasting, but that’s just weird.

    • @willmfrank
      @willmfrank ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On the subject of Batman by way of cartoons, you could have employed the infamous Doofenshmirtz paraphrase:
      "If I had a nickel for every time Christopher Walken played an evil industrialist named Max, I'd have two nickels...which isn''t a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice." 😉😁

  • @Oonagh72
    @Oonagh72 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Kevin Conroy is the best Batman. However without Michael Keaton to lay the groundwork, we would not have any of the great Batman performances we have seen since.

    • @hannahbrennan2131
      @hannahbrennan2131 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Kevin Conroy is the best Batman, Michael Keaton is the best live action Batman.

    • @mooniejohnson
      @mooniejohnson ปีที่แล้ว +11

      May Conroy rest in peace... the *best* Batman. No one can beat the team of Conroy and Hamill.

    • @wezul
      @wezul ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My thoughts exactly!!

    • @bobbun9630
      @bobbun9630 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Adam West was the bat best. The sign says so!

    • @Awdreejahslin
      @Awdreejahslin ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Gotta agree with ya there. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are Batman and joker. Then Keaton and Jack, and then bail and ledger. But still 89 Batman paved the way for the animated series.

  • @air1fire
    @air1fire ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think that ridiculously long gun was the main hero of the movie.

  • @sovietbear1917
    @sovietbear1917 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Michael Keaton was my favorite Bruce Wayne, hands-down. As someone on the spectrum, he was far and away the most relatable to me since he was awkward and kind of weird as opposed to the other Bruce Waynes.

    • @npofvt33
      @npofvt33 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed , his weirdness was also uniquely cool as fuck too somehow

  • @LanceBoos
    @LanceBoos ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Michael Keaton's portrayal was also a formative influence on my understanding of who Batman is. I rewatched both last year after seeing Pattinson's Batman. Especially filtered through all of the even darker, grittier Batmans (or Batmen?) that followed, his first outing is more cartoonish than I remembered it being, but I think that's part of why it works so well. It's very balanced-the cartoonishness still has a dark and noir-ish vibe akin to its contemporaries Dick Tracy, Roger Rabbit, and the first Ninja Turtles movie. So it's very much a product of its era, but I think all of these movies hold up in terms of performance, story, humor, design, and overall mood and style. Michael Keaton is still a top-tier Batman, and the same goes for Tim Burton as director.

  • @B.B.Digital_Forest
    @B.B.Digital_Forest ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I didn't grow up in America so I didn't hear the skepticism of casting Michael Keaton. As a childhood fan of the character I loved that movie. It was dark but creative. There are wonderful aspects of German Expressionism that raise it above other action films. It doesn't try to logically apply comic book fiction into a real world.

  • @zmanjace1364
    @zmanjace1364 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I just like Michael Keaton. Birdman is in my top ten favorite movies and im pretty sure if anyone else starred in The Founder, i would have hated that movie.

    • @BuckeyeStormsProductions
      @BuckeyeStormsProductions ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Founder was not the movie I expected, and I would agree it's because of Keaton. And I still remember seeing Johnny Dangerously with my older sister who took me to it when I was like 8 or 9. I thought that movie was hilarious.

    • @AaronLitz
      @AaronLitz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BuckeyeStormsProductions _Johnny Dangerously_ is just really fun, and is so full of quotable lines that my friends and I always end up quoting it at least once per game session in our weekly _D&D_ campaign, with only _Ghostbusters_ being quoted more often.
      _"Did you know your last name is an adverb?"_
      _("Go get'er, Ray!"_ gets quoted at least once a game, along with the other "Ray" quotes like _"What did you do, Ray?!"_ as well as stuff like _"Listen, do you smell something?!")_

  • @joeeyaura
    @joeeyaura ปีที่แล้ว +4

    it might also be said that in 1989 there werent super hero movies and tv shows coming out every couple of months like it is now. it can probably be said that the whole marvel and dc universe movies and shows started with keaton's batman.

    • @fnjesusfreak
      @fnjesusfreak ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd say it started with Reeve's Superman.

  • @Mallory-Malkovich
    @Mallory-Malkovich ปีที่แล้ว +5

    _Batman_ was the first movie I went to see multiple times in the theatre. As a ten year old it blew me away, and I couldn't get enough of it. Keaton absolutely defined the character for a generation and beyond. Speaking of beyond, I would still _love_ to see a _Batman Beyond_ movie with Keaton as old man Bruce Wayne. The older he gets, the more perfect he becomes for the role.

  • @kbrock9146
    @kbrock9146 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That bomb call back to the original Adam West Burt Ward movie was great.

  • @robert_bbiii
    @robert_bbiii ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There is an adage that comedic actors do drama better than dramatic actors do comedy. They understand timing. Keaton proves that.
    As an aside Johnny Dangerously is one of my favorite movies. So happy Keaton has had a resurgence

    • @DawnDavidson
      @DawnDavidson ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I LOVE Johnny Dangerously! Such a great movie.
      I really liked him as Batman. I agree that his portrayal of Batman set the standard for the modern takes on the character. He could have been totally run over by Jack Nicholson, and he wasn’t. That alone sets his performance above many others!

  • @FordLancer
    @FordLancer ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The original version of Batman in 1939 did kill his bad guys and carried a gun. Detective Comics #27 he threw a man off a roof and later knocked his boss into a vat of acid. The change to make Batman someone who doesn’t kill was important because it would inspire people that vengeance doesn’t mean you have to be like those that wronged you.

  • @rossdax47
    @rossdax47 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Batman 89 was the first grown-up movie my dad took my to see. I can still see line outside the theater where we waited. Such an awesome experience, and a treasured memory. I probably watched our VHS copy 1000 times the next few summers.
    Well, until Jurassic Park came out. But that's another story.

  • @renatocorvaro6924
    @renatocorvaro6924 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So, the thing is, a silver serving tray *could* stop a bullet, if it was small enough and hollow-point. Given the size of Joker's pistol in that scene, it would still hurt like a bastard, but probably the bullet wouldn't go in you and you'd survive.

  • @randoarchive
    @randoarchive ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The original Batman also should be taken as a comedy. I don't know why no one talks about the funny scene near the end where Batman found the Joker as Joker was going up the stairs of the church, and was trying to get up to him before Joker does anything bad. Joker doesn't know Batman is behind him. On the first floor of the church, Batman accidentally knocks down a pew, and the entire church pew setup falls like dominos, seemingly forever, alerting Joker that he's coming. Batman is so good when he fucks up.

  • @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout
    @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Could you just whip up a sonnet, something...a dirty limerick?"
    "One has just sprung to mind."
    Alfred's comedy is so underrated.

  • @tonymcguir7392
    @tonymcguir7392 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite scene always cracks me up in Batman returns, when the penguin throws the ice princess out of a window of a high-rise Selena reminds him that he said he was just going to scare her, he responds: "She looked scared to me!!"😂

  • @larnewman3009
    @larnewman3009 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Some days, ya CAN get rid of a bomb" 😂😂😂 👏🏻👏🏻
    Beautiful.... just... Beautiful.

  • @Deadite1982
    @Deadite1982 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Reeves and Patterson essentially did a more grounded version of what Burton and Keaten did. Which is good, because I prefer Gotham to be gothic over it looking like downtown Pittsburg, with all do respect to Pittsburg.

  • @ThePerry4family
    @ThePerry4family 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I completely agree that Michael Keaton transformed Batman for the better and I love the Adam West show reruns. The 1989 movie made me obsessed with Batman. I had the T-shirt, drew the logo all over my notebooks at school. We are the same age and until this day Batman is in my heart always.

  • @danrodden6115
    @danrodden6115 ปีที่แล้ว

    "It turns out some days you CAN get rid of a bomb." Brilliant.

  • @esean1
    @esean1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Some days you CAN get rid of a bomb."
    Well played, sir.

  • @Weazel1
    @Weazel1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, don’t forget, Batman set a guy on fire with the Batmobile in Returns.

  • @dethtongue945
    @dethtongue945 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was old enough to remember the howls of outrage when it came to Tim Burton's casting choice for Batman. Not only did people think Michael Keaton too comedic, but they thought he was straight up too goofy and frail looking to play The Batman. However the hype was real and when Batman came out everyone came out to see it. I was captivated at the very start with the whole look and Danny Elfman's score, but what sold it for me was that very first scene on the roof with the muggers. When Keaton inhabited that suit he flat out moved differently. There was a quiet economical menace to his every movement, and the eyes staring out at you from that mask were completely bat-shit crazy. 9/10th of his acting as the batman was pure body language, and I was stunned at how awesome he was.

  • @christopherscholl639
    @christopherscholl639 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I appreciate the focused take on Keaton as Batman. I think there is a lot to say about the characterization of the villains and of Bruce Wayne in the Burton movies, and I don't have a lot of positive things to say about them, but you are right in highlighting Keaton's performance as Batman. Without Burton, we probably wouldn't have Batman: the Animated Series, so I have to grudgingly give him props for his tone and the art direction of those Burton Batman films. But again, Keaton was really good, and he set a standard.

  • @TheReneepruitt
    @TheReneepruitt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love Michael as Batman! He was awesome and handsome!

  • @doctorteethomega
    @doctorteethomega 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was 10 when the Michael Keaton version came out. I watched it probably three or four times a week (Because it was 1989 and what else was I going to do). But seriously It's still my absolute favorite Batman and Joker.

  • @StareachValcin
    @StareachValcin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I do think that Michael Keaton is an iconic Batman.

  • @theleap2946
    @theleap2946 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wasn’t aware of any of the discourse, being a kid and all, but that first trailer that debuted months before was all the convincing I needed. I was obsessed with the movie for years, but the obsession waned as each iteration just didn’t match up to the vibe of the original. And then Christopher Nolan kinda ended it for me with the character and ever since, I roll my eyes thinking that Batman is now some legacy defining acting portrayal.
    The best Batman movie is honestly Birdman, which I don’t care what people say, Keaton being in the role was intentional. Coming to grips with the character in a meta sense and ultimately embracing that legacy changed how we look at Keaton. A guy that couldn’t get a job for nearly two decades is now an Oscar winning actor and a beloved comic icon. Interesting character arc for sure

  • @BennysBenz
    @BennysBenz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't forget the song by Prince.

  • @ODavies
    @ODavies ปีที่แล้ว

    "It turns out some days you *can* get rid of a bomb."
    Yes, yes, yes, yes, YES, I love it, I love it, I love it 😁

  • @ratgirl34
    @ratgirl34 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For the algorithm!
    You make great content.

  • @BryanDunne
    @BryanDunne หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tim Burton’s introduced Batman’s greatest arch-enemy, the head-turn 😂

  • @presliesherman8836
    @presliesherman8836 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keaton ....Burton... Batman Beyond.. NOW

  • @algi1
    @algi1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny thing, after the 2022 The Batman seeing the 1989 Batman has a lot from the 1960s Batman in it. There are even a few gags lifted from the 1960s show.

  • @mooniejohnson
    @mooniejohnson ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keaton completely re-invigorated the live action Batman... I respect Bale's performance but no one can really touch Keaton, especially since he gave birth to Conroy and Hamill in the cartoon. Bless them all.

  • @CrystalHickerson
    @CrystalHickerson ปีที่แล้ว

    Michael Keaton is the best Batman ever!!! Absolutely I agree! Michael brought the darkness that Bruce Wayne would have had to have been and the awkwardness for a man who lost his parents, grew up alone, and stayed in the dark and had bats around him all the time. He's a little off! The fact that they portray Bruce Wayne in other films as a Playboy well adjusted rich guy is ridiculous and it makes no sense whatsoever! Christian Bale was okay as Batman he's probably number two for me but another honorable mention of a great Batman is in the Lego movies! I thought that depiction of Batman was also spot on because if he wasn't dark and weird he would definitely be dark and arrogant and crazy! So great video. I love Michael Keaton!!!❤

  • @sinswhisper9588
    @sinswhisper9588 ปีที่แล้ว

    first time i saw Keaton was in fact in Mr Mom ... and i loved his turn as Beetleguise (it was officially spelled with a 'g' instead of a 'j' for those who didnt know)

  • @michaelblaine6494
    @michaelblaine6494 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keaton is still the only actor to play a Batman who gives off a supernatural aura(which is always a subliminal element to the comics despite being human). It’s something that is absent from all subsequent portrayals though IMO the last 3 actors to play the character have all been great but it would be nice to bring that element back. I’d actually like to see an entire movie that treats him more like the shark in Jaws(Batman Begins did that in the first in costume scene and it would be cool to see that expanded on)

  • @seraphonica
    @seraphonica ปีที่แล้ว

    I figured the rules in Returns were "no killing any character the writer bothered to name"

  • @ryan.noakes
    @ryan.noakes ปีที่แล้ว

    Some days you CAN get rid of a bomb. 😂 Well played.
    I do look forward to hearing your take on The Flash movie.

  • @Kiyosuki
    @Kiyosuki ปีที่แล้ว

    Although it was meant to be a return to basics for Batman at the time, I do attribute a lot of Batman's grim and stoic nature as the standard in most Batman media since to Keaton's portrayal.
    If there's something I'd specifically attribute to Keaton himself though, it's establishing a canyon's wide difference between Bruce Wayne and Batman. Keaton plays Bruce as a bit of a strange man. Not offputtingly so, he's charming, but there's an aloofness to him that firmly establishes that even if not knowing he's Batman, he's quite separated from "normal" human existence and it reflects in his personality no matter how much hes' worked on dialing up the charm. Keaton in particular plays him with this quiet meekness that also depicts him as this gentle, cordial, but still slightly socially awkward elite that contrasts so much with the quiet, brutal and stone cold ruthlessness his Batman at least emits that it makes the difference between when he's wearing the suit and not so much more striking.
    Everyone plays him a bit different, Bale really ups the Bruce Wayne as an act routine, while Pattinson depicts a younger and less stable Bruce who hasn't figured out the balance of the two identities...or even having two identities yet, and obviously the late great Kevin Conroy best depicted the idea of Batman being the "real" personality, though with a bit more subtlety than the Bale depiction. What they all have in common though and what I think they got from Keaton's Batman is that they always, despite their best efforts (or lack therof in Pattinson's young Wayne.), Bruce Wayne is an outcast. He can never fully hide that.

  • @Jennifer_Elliott
    @Jennifer_Elliott ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn it, ok Steve I'm going to watch Batman 89 again!

  • @buruzn09
    @buruzn09 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shoutout to Johnny Dangerously!!!

  • @akshaytrayner1960
    @akshaytrayner1960 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid as always

  • @IrocZIV
    @IrocZIV ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There was always a mystique around the first Batman movie for me. It seemed like a big deal to my, also, 9 year old self. I didn't get to see it in the theater myself, but my parents brought me home a baseball cap with the bat logo on it. (Side note: when I first saw the hat, I though it was some weird mouth on it as opposed to the bat symbol)

  • @brianjennings
    @brianjennings ปีที่แล้ว

    13:21 - A deliberate reference to HMS Pinafore's "A British Tar", or happy accident?

  • @darthgoku90
    @darthgoku90 ปีที่แล้ว

    Having not been born when Batman 89 was released, and way too young to have seen Batman Returns in theaters, the Flash was the first time I got to see Michael Keaton's Batman on the big screen. Though the movie was far from perfect (thanks in part to all the DCU reboot business), Keaton was easily the best thing about it. Funny that just like how he defied all those naysayers back in 1989 that he wasn't the right choice to play Batman, he pretty much defied anyone who thought he was too old to play Batman again in the Flash (not that I'm surprised). Sure would be nice if they do make a Batman Beyond movie with him someday soon, even though WB already denied they would a few months back. I already thought that it would be a nice follow up project for him and Tim Burton after they film the Beetlejuice sequel, just like Batman 89 was for them after the first Beetlejuice.

  • @davidalan528
    @davidalan528 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not the first person to say it but it's important enough to me to say it too: No Conroy without Keaton.
    And specifically here, I'm talking about *Bruce* not Batman. Although the overall sensibility of TAS is owed to Burton's take on the modern Bats, I think the most important single contribution that TAS made to the overall mythos is the depiction of "Bruce in the Cave". You know who I mean - that voice that's low, but not as low as it is in the mask. The turtleneck. The serious demeanor but absolutely with a fair degree of humor lurking around. The occasional decrease in intensity level that you never see in Public Bruce's intense foppishness or Bats' intense intensity. This is a Bruce who can ...even if only for moments at a time...relax.
    And Keaton created that. Timm and Conroy perfected it, but it wouldn't have been an idea without Keaton's more measured approach to Bruce. His Bruce wasn't Bruce in the cave - as Steve notes, he's just...Bruce. Awkward, inexplicably intense, Bruce. It just so happens that this Bruce is at his least awkward in the cave, alone with Alfred (cf. the immediate way he tenses up when Vicki surprises him in said cave - it's not just "dammit you know my secret," it's also "dammit you're in my sanctum sanctorum").
    No Conroy without Keaton.

  • @calebleland8390
    @calebleland8390 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had been reading Batman comics pretty much since I was born, so 13 year old me was ecstatic when this movie came out. I went to the theater with my family, having already read the novelization because I didn't care about spoilers back then (boy, was I stupid), and wearing my Batman T-shirt, I loved every second of that film. Now I see its flaws, but even being a movie that doesn't really hold up, Keaton's performance does. I do rank him just under Bale as my favorite live action Batman, but he is still incredible to watch in those movies.

  • @sinswhisper9588
    @sinswhisper9588 ปีที่แล้ว

    i dressed up as jack nicholsons joker for halloween in '89 -- i was 11 years old and though i loved the adam west batman growing up i too enjoyed the new darker take on batman that keaton gave us and was glad he was able to pave the way ... though obviously the standout for me was nicholson as the joker and at about that time in my life i was starting to get into darker universes in media and looking for more compelling villains and less campy heroes Batman '89 provided that in spades

  • @ElevenBird
    @ElevenBird ปีที่แล้ว

    This was excellent

  • @kevinkeeney9418
    @kevinkeeney9418 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeez, Steve. The second movie is called "Bat2man".

  • @betaraybob
    @betaraybob ปีที่แล้ว

    In my opinion Batman Returns is the best Christmas movie. It seems like Batman's no killing rule doesn't apply to clown (or maybe "evil" clowns) and I'm ok with that.

  • @Onodera1980
    @Onodera1980 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think a bullet hitting a silver serving tray would make a noticeable noise different from that of hitting a torso.

  • @ElicBehexan
    @ElicBehexan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Okay... I literally grew up on Adam West's Batman. I watched it eating dinner every... what? Wednesdays and Thursdays? Even then I didn't care for the cartoon-ie-ness of the show, I was a tweenie, even though the term wasn't around then. I was also watching the Man From U.N.C.L.E. and Star Trek. Then, in the early 1980s I wrote a Batman fanfic, it is posted on AO3. Yes, in the Adam West Batman 'universe.' I'll say that when I write fanfic, even when I inject my people into their universe, the heroes have to have a major hand in saving the day. I can't say I thought Keaton was the best Batman ever, I kinda liked that new guy a bit more. I think he looks more like my image of Bruce Wayne, heck, even Adam West was a very good Bruce Wayne - he needed a girdle in the costume... and I always said he had the wrong chin for my vision of Batman.

  • @TheMward72
    @TheMward72 ปีที่แล้ว

    +1 internets for a solid Batman '66 reference.

  • @spectrexr1
    @spectrexr1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't forget he set the dude on fire with the batmobile lol . Just cause he kills doesn't mean he have to kill everyone . He also killed Catwoman when he knocked her off the building

  • @dobrien51
    @dobrien51 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember being very nervous about Keaton being Batman. I am much older than you, Steve, and I was worried that it would be a return to Adam West. My fears were allayed when Keaton growled ‘I’m Batman’.

  • @cassiedevereaux-smith3890
    @cassiedevereaux-smith3890 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE Keaton. My favorite live action Batman (although I classify Adam West's Batman as a singular other thing). I'm not convinced he'd intended to kill Joker, but he sure didn't mind it. The clown with the bomb though.... I'd hate it if I wasn't laughing too hard. Also, he set that other clown on fire. But more than just Keaton.... Pfiffer and Walken were PHENOMINAL. Devito was good too, but not in the same way where when I look at him, I see him as the character. Maybe because he was so grotesque.

  • @Tuaron
    @Tuaron ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just to make Steve feel old: I'm a little younger, so I have less attachment to Keaton's Batman (I was far too young to watch the 1st when it came out, but do remember a ton of the merchandise that was put out for Batman Returns) - I'm actually much more of a fan of Val Kilmer & Batman Forever (I even enjoy the much-maligned Batman & Robin, it's entertaining camp even if it's not a fantastic movie) and had already built up a love of Adam West's Batman by the time I could see Keaton/Burton's. I'm not just talking about the films themselves, as I dislike aspects of Keaton's Batman (such as his glee in beating up enemies) and aspects of his Bruce Wayne (though I think he's fine, just not great). Admittedly, however, I can agree with Steve that much of what works about Keaton's characterization comes from Keaton, and I concede that this film was such an influence on Schumacher's films (no matter what people may say, they definitely just heighten aspects of what we got from '89 & BR) and what has become the perfect template for Batman: the 90s animated series version voiced by the late legend Kevin Conroy, brought to us by Paul Dini, Bruce Timm, and the rest of that fantastic crew.

    • @Amoechick
      @Amoechick ปีที่แล้ว

      It feels oddly rare to find another Val Kilmer Batman fan; I imagine we’re about the same age 😅Totally agree with you that the Schumacher films give us a new distillation of the Burton films.

  • @miyahollands6136
    @miyahollands6136 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first movie has the one of the best moments in film. Brief though it is, it is a moment where visuals and score are one.
    I'm referring to the point in the film where Batman and Vicy are in the batmobil, racing back to the bat cave. "Decent into mystery" is the name of the piece, written by Danny Elfman. Strangely, the volume always gets louder at this point, must be something up with my DVD! 🤷‍♀️
    I listen to the score, and I can picture this scene in my mind. Strangely, not only does it always get louder during this piece, but if I happen to be listening to it whilst driving, my right foot always seems to be just that little bit heavier. Must be something up with my copy of the score, as well as my shoes. Which is proof that shoes really do have a soul....! (Sorry!).
    Anyway; that moment is totally awesome, and embodies the mood and tone of the film perfectly - Just a shame it's only 1 minute and 32 seconds long!

  • @walterhoward5512
    @walterhoward5512 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly, I don't think we've ever gotten a truly "bad" live action Batman. Maybe some of the blink-and-you-miss-it versions from one of the TV adaptations like Birds of Prey weren't good, but the all of the movie Batman actors have done a great job.

  • @foxtrotalphaone
    @foxtrotalphaone 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For me, Billy Dee Williams will always be Gotham's mayor.

  • @un5781
    @un5781 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Michael Keaton Is The Real Batman No One Can Replace Him As Batman He Is The Real Batman 1989-2024

  • @aghastlyghost
    @aghastlyghost ปีที่แล้ว

    Mel Gibson as Batman, Tim Curry as the Joker and Sharon Stone as Vicki Vale, according to imdb were other casting choices.
    Also, Kurt Russell? Alec Baldwin? Ray Liota? :D
    Keaton rules.

  • @RockSoup
    @RockSoup ปีที่แล้ว

    "No killing unless it's funny."? That sounds sort of familiar...

  • @kevinlee5753
    @kevinlee5753 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you read the Batman 89 comics? He appears to have moved towards a no kill policy in them.

  • @andiralosh2173
    @andiralosh2173 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was about 6 when I saw Batman Returns in the theater, and it absolutely blew my little mind. Somehow the theater experience is crap compared to what it once was. The movie was the main focus then, maybe I got some candy, maybe. Now it's wholly a vehicle to sell you crap, no pretense, the product placement is the movie. Also yes I had the Batman and Joker 'action figures,' the toy merch game is OLD 🍿🎥

  • @poolboyinla
    @poolboyinla ปีที่แล้ว

    Batman was so much better than Batman Returns.

  • @michaelblaine6494
    @michaelblaine6494 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn I just realized we’re the same age,at first I was just like yeah everyone was 9 when Batman came out🤪

  • @stevenfraser81
    @stevenfraser81 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Subbed becasue you said you like Batman Returns better than Batman 89!

  • @Tasby12
    @Tasby12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I liked Michael Keaton as Batman, but to me Harrison Ford circa 1980-82 at his Indiana Jones/Blade Runner peak will always be the Best Batman Who Never Was.

  • @SomeRandomG33k
    @SomeRandomG33k ปีที่แล้ว

    "I'm Batman."

  • @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout
    @OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok, ok...but after telling Dick that killing is wrong, he pulls out a bunch of fake silver dollars and winds up indirectly killing Two-Face.

  • @joelbizzell1386
    @joelbizzell1386 ปีที่แล้ว

    Give yourself over to absolute pleasure, Stevie!
    The eorld is burning on the brink of nuclear annihilation as fascism takes a firmer grip on us all the time.
    Plus I'm ugly and dying from kidney disease...fan service is all I have.
    😅

  • @loka7783
    @loka7783 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember being hesitant going into see this version of Batman because Michael Keaton just didn't have the physique to be Bruce Wayne. I was an adult by the time this came out, grown up with Adam West and the tv show, but I'd also read a great deal of the comics. When referencing a guy wo had bee working out and training since he was eight, does Michael Keaton embody the Alpha Male? Not really. However after I'd seen the movie I started thinking that rather being a hulking brute of a man, Bruce opted instead to make himself less obviously physically powerful in order to blend in, so make it harder to put the pieces together. After that I was okay with it.

  • @Titanreaver616
    @Titanreaver616 ปีที่แล้ว

    To my mind one of the best ways to show why Keaton worked so well is to compare him to Lungren in his outing as the Punisher. Now I get they are different characters and comparing them doesn't actually get very far in general, but I think comparing the films you can see they were each trying to fill a similar niche. I think that both movies were pretty badly written, and suffered from a lot of the same problems. But the acting involved in Batman saved the film from the same fate. Lungren just doesn't do a good Castle, or Punisher, and the movie failed. Keaton is excellent as Wayne, and good at Batman, and the movie is remembered fondly. Of course the villains of each movie play a major role in it as well. But if the title character isn't done well, it's hard for a movie to succeed.

  • @SnarkNSass
    @SnarkNSass ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤🦇🖤🦇

  • @ariadnavigo
    @ariadnavigo ปีที่แล้ว

    I disagree about people not remembering Clooney's Batman. I'm pretty sure everyone still remembers how ridiculously miscast and hilariously bad he was 😂

  • @docweidner
    @docweidner ปีที่แล้ว

    17:16 Whatever could you mean?

  • @philgodin6493
    @philgodin6493 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    George Clooney Batman may be the worst films in the franchise, however I think (actually) George Clooney might be an OK BatMan.

  • @mkang8782
    @mkang8782 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's long been my opinion that Bale is the best Batman, Clooney is the best Bruce Wayne, and Keaton is the best at portraying both aspects of the character.

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see him back. He and Supergirl are the only reasons I MIGHT feel guilty about letting this movie flounder and pirating it later.
    Might.
    Ezra Miller not being the kind of person who should be allowed to have a career is overpowering any desire to see it.

  • @CannedFishFiles
    @CannedFishFiles ปีที่แล้ว

    Keaton's Bruce Wayne is such a cool dude that Steve Jobs ripped off his whole look, right???

  • @GrannyGamer1
    @GrannyGamer1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't really like super hero stuff, but I did enjoy Keaton as b'man.
    Adam West will always be my b'man.
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 💯🖖🏾

  • @kennethbrewer4473
    @kennethbrewer4473 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you watch the Batman movie Tim Burton are the Golden Age Batman Joel Schumacher Silver age Batman Christopher Nolan is the modern Batman

  • @thomasgoree7976
    @thomasgoree7976 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ben Affleck Batman and Christian Bale Batman killed too

  • @MalzraAirwynn
    @MalzraAirwynn ปีที่แล้ว

    "No killing unless it's funny" So batman works off of Roger Rabbit rules here? Interesting.

  • @JoannaHancock-d1v
    @JoannaHancock-d1v ปีที่แล้ว

    I Wasn't a fan of any of those batman movies, but I was pleasantly surprised by Keaton's performance as Batman. So I have to agree with you on that point. Personally, I think Bale was a better batman, representative of the comics, but then he was also playing off Heath Ledger. So, while Keaton defined the role of the modern batman in cinema, I am not sure he is the best. But then that's just my opinion. Love all you do Steve and thanks for being such a staunch ally of the LGBT community!

  • @fabrisseterbrugghe8567
    @fabrisseterbrugghe8567 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love Batman Returns. It's kinky in all the best ways.

  • @rossrreyes
    @rossrreyes ปีที่แล้ว

    The 5’8” Stiff Neck Batman returns

  • @beldin2987
    @beldin2987 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always the same, no matter who is casted (as long as its not Keanu Reeves) some hordes of fans run amok against it and call doom down on us all. I still remember the whole hate against en Affleck, and years later i was so puzzled that most poeple seemed to wanted him back and thought he was the best Batman ever.
    For me however also Keaton will always be the best, especially since i'm also not a fan of when people tried to make comics to hyper realistic and Burton just made a great mix of life-action but it still had the comic feeling.
    Also i plain hate the wannabe death-metal singer voice that for whatever reason got so popular later. Thankfully Keaton does NOT do that in the Flash movie, so he and Sasha Calle were the best parts of the movie since the Sheldon Cooper wannabe was even double annoying in this movie.

  • @daelen.cclark
    @daelen.cclark ปีที่แล้ว

    Entitled fandom outrage has been as old as superheroes themselves.
    Quite unhealthy, too.