Samuil Feinberg - Piano Sonata No. 3, Op. 3
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- Samuil Feinberg (1890 - 1962) - Piano Sonata No. 3, Op. 3 (1916 - 1917)
I. Prelude [0:00]
II. Marche funebre [4:24]
III. Sonate. Allegro appassionato [10:08]
Marc-André Hamelin, piano (2019)
Samuil Feinberg's Piano Sonata No. 3, Op. 3 is one of his longest and most substantial sonatas, consisting of three movements and typically lasting around 23 minutes. The work, written in 1916 to 1917, was not initially published, and its second and third movements were instead recycled in his Piano Concerto No. 1, Op. 20. Thanks to efforts by Anatoly Alexandrov, the sonata was finally published in 1974.
"The Third Sonata is a masterpiece, featuring an innovative three-movement formal structure of 'Prelude,' 'Funeral March' and the 'Sonata' itself. The 'Funeral March' is a titanic force of despondency comparable to Liszt's darker works and Scriabin's 'Funebre' movement from his First Sonata. Feinberg employs a variety of musical symbols, including a 'Death' motif (a stark and effective use of fifths) that later becomes the main thematic thread of the 'Sonata' movement, which is an unbelievable 13-minute 'Allegro appassionato' of stupefying virtuosity. The 'Sonata' has a dense texture and constant motion that truly requires a rare brand of virtuosity. The technical challenges can be heard; they are jaw-dropping. But if that wasn't enough of an obstacle for the pianist, there is the unrelenting cerebral complexity and emotional angst to interpret and convey. Christophe Sirodeau calls this 'Sonata' movement 'a veritable hurricane of destruction.'"
(source: Hexameron's Amazon review - www.amazon.com/Piano-Sonatas-...)
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Some extra info:
1) In preparing the sonata for publication, Alexandrov made several revisions to the first and second movements. Hamelin does not play these revisions and instead plays the original version from Feinberg's manuscript, which Hamelin has uploaded to IMSLP.
2) The score to the first movement was engraved by me, so you can expect some errors. I primarily attempted to reproduce and preserve all of the notes, voicings, staff crossings, etc. from the manuscript, only making a few small changes. Unfortunately, many of the note stems are not very visible in the manuscript, so a lot of that was up to my interpretation, which is quite likely wrong in several cases. My engraving is uploaded here: drive.google.com/file/d/1GwtQ...
3) For the second movement, I simply edited the already-cropped images I had from my old video because Alexandrov made relatively few changes to this movement (and because I was lazy). I did not fix every inconsistency between the manuscript and the published version, like the altered key changes, but I should have corrected all of the pitches that Alexandrov altered. One thing to note is that Feinberg did not write dynamics or articulations, apart from a few accents, in the first two movements, so almost all markings seen in the second movement were added by Alexandrov.
4) My previous video featuring Sirodeau's recording of the second movement has been unlisted, but it can still be found on my Feinberg playlists. - เพลง
How to sound like Samuil Feinberg:
1) Start the melody with the first few notes/chords/bars in the home key.
2) Write the rest of the music as if the key signature never existed, but keep the key signature to give the musician's eyes and brain a workout.
3) Keep changing the key signatures in between while the music is still chromatic, though write some non-chromatic parts in between to remind the musician what the key of the piece is.
4) In the end of the piece/movement, give a surprising resolution in the home key.
This is so accurate haha
Or, if you want to write a sonata in A minor, just write random notes but occasionally put a low A natural in the bass so that everyone can see you're *obviously* still in A minor. :D
Agree
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji You changed your name lol
@@mysterium364 I haven't...it's just my 'handle'
Oh my god, what did I just listen to... Instantly one of my favorite pieces. Fire!
Omg , what did i just listen to ... instantly one of my favorite pieces. FIRE!!!
@@lucaslorentz FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!
@@SeigneurReefShark *F I R E*
Yes I played it but not very enamoured as someone said too many notes
Same, maybe not so much for the first two movements but holy shit that 3rd.
I just realized the left hand at 23:18 is actually playing the theme from the prelude. Mind blown.
And right before that, the left hand alludes to the intervals from the second movement: Funeral March.
What the fuck. I could tell this part was a reference to the prelude, but I never noticed that it was an actual restatement of the theme.
It's a prepreludelude
Marc-Andre Hamelin is the most magisterial pianistic genius of our time. Perhaps of all time…from Haydn to Ives and beyond, his purity, fealty, and adaptability to virtually every musical style is unlike any other pianist. His towering technique, always in total service to his astounding musicianship, obviate any trace of ego or eccentricity. His recordings of the Feinberg sonatas, like all his recorded performances, are the touchstone against which all others must be measured. OK, much hyperbole here, but Marc-Andre gives us so much to work with! 😂
The final fugue is a purgatory of insanity, passion and pain in contenmplation of death and utter destruction
It would be a reflection of the situation going on in Feinberg’s time, considering that the Russian Empire was soon to fall, and the fact that there was a war of unspeakable atrocity.
@@EggBenis Egg
egg
One of the pinnacles of the entire XXth century repertoire, simply mind-blowing stuff
Emiliano it's fantastic! It's Scriabinesque in places and not unlike some of the more daring efforts of Lizst
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@Shostacovid-19 no
HA!!! Great to see you here!!! The usual suspects...
what a great piece, now I want to start learning it to play at my senior recital in 3 years 😩
19:06 - 19:39 is such an insane build-up to the g-sharp minor theme, I have it on repeat. The impetuoso section before that is a nice homage to Chopin's sonata too. I always imagine Feinberg's music to be the nightmares of Scriabin (in a good way). You can even hear some early to middle period Scriabinisms even in the most dissonant parts of the last movement.
18:44 : That's insane!
Ernst Kerstner love to see it live
have you listened to the cadenza of Sorabji's opus archimagicum
@@musik350 link pls?
@@babygirl4169 hey baby girl
Chopin sonata 2 finale on every drug in existence
That coda never fails to bring me to tears. It's so tragic and powerful. Most badass piano piece I've ever heard
Yes
Man.... it's just too epic.. Can't get enough of it lately!!
Badass
@@AsrielKujo uwu
Epic
WOAH WOAH WOAH!!!!!!
This deserves a thumbs up from all 20 of my alts.
Sounds like the soundtrack for a particularly dramatic industrial WPA mural. Larger-than-life workmen with sledgehammers, saws, molten metal troughs and machinery are all there building a ghastly techno future. Thanks for uploading.
Super specific description lol but I like it
Thank you so much for this! I heard Hamelin playing this piece a few months ago in a recital. Simply breathtaking. Feinberg deserves to be much more well known as a composer... And I am so glad to know that the manuscript has been uploaded!
I may have been at the same recital (Wigmore Hall?). It was utterly stunning and really turned me on to Feinberg.
I think the problem is there are only about 10 pianists in the world capable of doing it justice.
Hamelin is the magisterial giant of the piano.
The build up before the fugue to develop into the G sharp minor, then the fugue, and finally the ferocious impetuoso was a part of Feinberg's juggernaut!!! What a smart-ass, what a genius!
11:33, that second theme though, it just hits differently.
Funny enough, when I first heard this theme I automatically thought Scriabin.
@@NoahSpencer008 I thought of Medtner :)
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji I think both makes sense, a typical medtner and an early to mid Scriabin
Terrific job - glad someone else noticed Mr. Hamelin did in fact upload the manuscript. (and much thanks to him!) I was thinking of engraving myself - may still do so sometime - but in the meantime I’m so happy it’s out there!
I don't know where to find this upload that you speak of. Is it on Hamelin's website?
@@mysterium364 The manuscript is up on IMSLP
Thank you so much, this is one of my top favorites of all repertoar! I've been wanting to hear Hamelins version of this particular piece for over 10 years and now I have!
I absolutely love the fiery nature of this piece. Leave alone the amazing melodies...
It's like he couldn't help himself....(and thank goodness he didnt...)
Skriabin Op. 45 n. 5 from 14:27 to 14:34. Who plays it is not the only one who needs to rest after finishing. Listener's brain too.
Epic! 3 and 6 are my favourites.
incredibly beautiful
Wow, very amazing!
involving from bar 1 - following the score so helpful.Many thanks
I want to repeat the section at 10:34 until end of my life
I want to repeat all the third movement until the end of my days
I want to repeat
@@GUILLOM want repeat
Ok
Indeed
20:27 whau he's must be a very cool person
11:33 the lento section sounds like Medtner
Yes it does
Ohh yes!
Of course.
18:45 - just WOW !
just
WOW
The pinnacle of all late romantic sonatas in terms of difficulty.
All difficulty, no music.
@@Whatismusic123 No that’s not true. Musically it’s a great piece as well, but there’s always Rachmaninov.
@@ladivinafanatic Musically it's an absolute joke of incompetency and lack of understanding. It's not even a sonata.
@@Whatismusic123 I’ll prove you wrong.
@@ladivinafanatic no, you can't. This is absolutely terrible. Something a poorly taught student of modern times would make.
Un capolavoro
Thanks so much for this valuable upload! I have a lot of respect for you for engraving a file following Feinberg’s manuscript. Have you thought about making your version of the score available through a pdf since it’s much closer to Feinberg‘s manuscript than the Alexandrov Version available on IMSLP.
Thanks for the reminder! I just uploaded it to my google drive. Let me know if you have any suggestions or catch any errors. You can view it here: drive.google.com/file/d/1GwtQa_Dk20KUIv_gLpOCJFZjAeizf-3T/view?usp=sharing
One of the most mysterious Feinberg sonatas ever.....
Why mysterious?
I think dense, but not mysterious.
8 is much more mysterious I think
@@segmentsAndCurves Cuz it's sounds confusing? like the inside of a psychiatric patients
@@Latinosmassacre- nope i do not here that
Agreed, a weird story somehow
That finale... just pure destruction. The ferocity of Prokofiev 7/Barber with the emotional complexity of late Beethoven.
"Emotional complexity" 😂😂😂 do you mean amount of your religious delusions?
@@Whatismusic123grow up
let people enjoy what they like man@@Whatismusic123
SO GOOD WTF
so good...
epic banger
@ㅤㅤㅤㅤ hi yes this is one of my favorite sonatas like, ever
Fantastic stuff! May I ask what software you used for engraving the 1st movement?
The engraving was done in Lilypond. I'm still not too familiar with it so there were a couple things I ended up just fixing with Microsoft Paint afterwards.
Thanks I just played this with iPad on the piano fall
sam333 Fook off Bill Bloggs poser.
@@ilikeplayingffftonecluster851 Lmfaooo
You're welcome
Gosh the beginning is so charmingly beautiful. The tumultuous post-WW1 era. The so-called modernity, national determination & "age of progress".
Foreseeing the sixth sonata where Oswald Spengler's gloomy prophecy.
12:21 amazing.
A couple questions - does Sirodeau play the Alexandrov version of this sonata? Also, you have a score following all movements. For the last movement, is that the Alexandrov version or is it a reproduction of the manuscript? If it's the latter, where did you get it? It doesn't seem to deviate significantly from what Hamelin is playing. Honestly, I don't know the differences between the versions so I wouldn't be able to tell. If the original manuscript has been reproduced in a printed fashion, I want to get it. Some of the pages scanned are a bit faded.
I'm no expert either, but I'll try my best:
1. Yes, I'm pretty sure Sirodeau plays the Alexandrov version.
2. The score for the third movement here is from the Alexandrov version. However, to my knowledge, Alexandrov didn't alter the third movement. The Alexandrov manuscript that Hamelin uploaded to IMSLP doesn't include the third movement, only his revisions of the first two movements. I haven't gone through the manuscript closely enough to compare the two though.
Yeah, unfortunately the scan of Feinberg's manuscript isn't super clear, and I don't think it's been printed/engraved anywhere. However, since the third movement is (I believe) untouched, and the second only slightly altered, you should be mostly fine using the Alexandrov version, though you'll have to struggle through deciphering the first and second movements if you really want to be faithful to the manuscript.
@@precipotato442 I'm very thankful to know the third movement is largely untouched. For me, that is the highlight, and it would be a lot of work trudging through that if I had to look at it off of a manuscript.
Looking at IMSLP, it looks like the full version is scanned. It doesn't identify Hamelin as the uploader, unless he is "Garnaievsky", but it is legit. The first two movements are clearer than the last movement. I would look off the original manuscript file because it is much cleaner. I'm guessing the one with just the two movements was all of Alexandrov's markings on the original that he changed as there are a lot of things crossed out.
I don't know why Feinberg didn't publish this sonata.
This sonata is incredible, among the heights of 20th century art. Next to Godowsky's piano sonata this is a new personal favorite of the lesser known piano repitoire of the 1900's.
Have you tried roslavets sonatas? They are particularly great too
@@SeigneurReefShark oh yeah definitely. Check out my comment on olla-volgala's video of his first sonata :)
@@PieInTheSky9 You can check Leo Ornstein 4-th piano sonata
@@Ar1osssa amazing stuff ornstein has!
i recently discovered the piano quintet and its marvelous
This is obviously live. Can you give the date and place of performance? He played it a fair amount last season
The audio is from a performance on June 3rd, 2019 at the Tchaikovsky Concert Hall in Moscow: meloman.ru/concert/marc-Andre-hamelin-2019-06-03/
@@precipotato442 thank you!
18:45 It really let the one who play this in the shit, once you play this you will never stop
OMyGod....a Colossus! Some parts make the Cadenzas of Prokofiev 2 and Tschaikowski 2 seem like a ramble in the park......BRAVO, Maestro Marc-André....from Mexico City!
neat
Gosh!
LETS GOOOOOO
19:28 how do you play that.
guess hamelin plays the LH octave before the arpeggio in the RH
is this sonata in any specific key?
1st mvt is pretty clearly in Gm for the most part, even despite all the chromatic discursions
2nd/3rd mvts are in G#m, again despite all the (extremely aggressive) chromaticism
19:04
18:47 sounds like a Nancarrow player piano study
feinburger
16:30 fugue (Shosty, be aware that there was, once, a composer like you.)
nice :D
@@segmentsAndCurves nice: D
20:25 this part sounds different from other pianists.. specialy 20:30
Boogie woogie
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji this part is better than booboo woowoo
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji mov 3 is so f beautiful.i never get tired to hear!!
@@Latinosmassacre- boogie woogie is not a piece, it's a typical form of music with such a rhythm (as in usual Schumann-like dotted rhythms)
@@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji ofc i know
20:25 welcome to the party :)
17:32
fein
20:25
A somewhat "subtle" repetition of the second theme at 11:32.
Sound a bit like early scriabin
20:25 boogie woogie
16:30 fugue
9:30
16:30 Probably a fugue.
Alas
Best fugue ever ok
@@GUILLOM Szymanowski bettr
@@segmentsAndCurves Which
@@GUILLOM His sonatas'
Rezpec da DOC 😎
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Imo doesn’t as much sound like Scriabin than it does like Medtner on crack. Incredible shame that his style matured only a few years before Soviet censorship (unlike Roslavets) so he doesn’t have as much Scriabinesque music as other early Soviet avant-gardists. His later works are still decent but god he took such an awful turn after the censors. At least Lourié and Wyschnegradsky fled so they could express themselves freely.
Lot of notes, not much inspiration. I'll stick with Scriabin
Scriabin is garbage
Beaucoup de chromatisme, en lieu et place d'une véritable idée thématique. Un grand pianiste, mais pas un grand compositeur.
No
Sounds very chaotic, disorganized, loud, and quite heavy. Didn't really like it.
Give it another try, this is one of the most beautiful sonatas I've ever heard, it just gets really complex, so it's hard to listen to.
@@GUILLOM I'm listening to it for the first time, I'm completely blown up lmao, it's so intense
@@SeigneurReefShark epic
I dont want to dissappoint you but I think this piece is better than any of your pieces, mr. Alkan!
@@j.rohmann3199 it is, but some alkan pieces are still incredible masterpieces.
This is just scriabin if he was a bad composer and deep into the contemporary pithole
@YeenBean125 yeah this fucking sucks major dick
🤡
I'd love to see you do better
I can't disagree. This shit sucks. Been trying so many times to listen to this but it's just keybanging.
@@hottopicscriabin7752 why would that be trolling?
Load of old rubbish just difficulty for difficulties sake
lmao
I do not agree. It may be so in your opinion, but I just see it as dense and not very tonal, but still highly musical.
@@dzordzszs ok
@@dzordzszs no problem. I like dense tonal or atonal stuff but still think this is rubbish.
I can manage to play it though
I can appreciate others like it. Same as anything in the world
@@segmentsAndCurves ok
18:45
16:29