2022 KTM 1290 Super Duke R EVO Final Review: Worth It?
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I have owned 2 Super Dukes. That engine is unbelievable. All that horsepower and torque all below 9500 rpm. Love the headlights.
what do u ride now?
@@todd_vincy4710 haha..he's retired and riding e-bicycles prolly..
Wow super review ! I had no idea that the EVO was this nice , sure sounds different than my 1st Gen. 16 SDR . Love to Demo one of these Beasties .
make you try rocket3R
2?? I guess KTM reliability really is bad if you had to buy two.
I owned a gen 2 until last year which was a bit of a harsh ride, especially on sections of poorly maintained roads. I bought the evo a few days ago and the difference in the ride is night and day. Well worth the extra dosh I'd say. Can't wait to get it run in.
Your reviews are great as usual
In the 70’s-90’s many cars offered disc brakes in the front and drums in the rear before all wheel disc. Horrible front end dive with emergency braking. All discs seem to solve that problem. Electronic suspension on motorcycles is a magic carpet ride. Worth the upgrade especially with antidive
You wanted to hear from people who have experience with electronic suspension, so here's mine:
I got an R1M in 2015 and still have the bike. The suspension is really stiff as it's basically a track bike. I have a mode set up that I refer to as the "I've been strafing back roads on this fucking thing for 5 hours, I'm sore and want to limp home" mode, which is basically full soft on compression and rebound at both ends-it is in fact softer and a little nicer than the standard or track modes but is still not what I would call "plush".
Then I got an EBR1190RS Carbon Edition, with proper Race Ohlins on it and not the Road and Track spec units that Ohlins puts their adjustable guts in....... Holy hell, what a difference. This bike is twice as plush as the Yamaha and a MUCH better handling bike because of the suspension quality. Most people never get to a level of riding where they can objectively discuss suspension and think that it's a matter of maybe Company O puts lower friction stanchions in their forks or maybe fancy coatings or minute differences in valving to end up with similar results to Company W, but I'm here to tell you that the difference between Good suspension and GREAT! suspension has nothing to do with automatic modes or how many clicks of rebound and compression it offers...... it's down to how sophisticated and how responsive the valving is in the initial portion of the stroke. This is what makes the bike composed over small bumps and yet take big hits in compressive loads.
I know that the suspension companies that supply forks and shocks have to worry about what they will sell next year and the years after if they give the best they have, but I am here to tell you in no uncertain terms that the suspension you get even on an expensive up-spec motorcycle is really not that special, outside of the fact that now there are things they can do with damping electronically. The guts are still a decade or more old and frankly not much better than Showa BPF's.
If you want good suspension, you have to buy race units that are manually adjusted...... you just won't care once you take your first ride.
Agreed. you can't beat well set up manual suspension. I've had a bike with electronic suspension and left it in the sportiest setting and never changed it again. Same with riding modes, utter tosh. Sadly it's where we are heading, electronics are everywhere these days, in fact even having to press a button now is too much for the modern human, hence voice control lol...another 50 years and we'll be conformist vegetables
As a 1290SAS rider I had the Pro Suspension option, and no regrets. The fully Auto option is OK except on rough roads where it can be fooled into a twitch, so I switch to manual settings when I need to get jiggy- the ease with which you can change suspension is a plus point.
It will be standard on all bikes in a few years..
White power suspension on an Austrian bike is never not going to be funny
One of the best rapid transit options around!!
I had a friend who showed up on a ride w/ one of these. We all had sports bikes, i was on an RSV4 Factory w/ race ECU ceramic bearings and some other goodies. Yea its fast as fk. So im like... "try to keep up" and he throws such a smack down on me w/ this bike. Not the R even. I was humiliated and shocked. Hot damn those are fast bikes yo
Really great looking bike with amazing features. Thank you for sharing your summary, and I love your studio. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
Nice review Bob. Thank you. I remember, in the late 80’s, “anti-dive” went as quickly as it came onto the scene. You need an amount of dive on corner entry to improve the flick ability of the bike and assist with the braking and weight transfer.
I’ve always been curious about antidive as BMW has been marketing their bikes like the GS with that feature. Supposedly that’s one of the features of the telelever frontend. I haven’t spent enough time with one to know if I’d like it or not. My Goldwing has something for that too but I don’t really notice a difference on that bike.
If you have the means to buy the Super Duke R EVO in the first place, the extra $1,500 shouldn't change your lifestyle. Go for it.
Ducati Streetfighter is track rpm, Super Duke is street rpm. Super Duke makes more horsepower and torque, on the dyno, than H2 and Streetfighter to 9500 rpm.
I have one it’s awesome. Still not broke in so I can’t really get on it. Super easy to use electronics and screen. Full akro exhaust and everything unlocked.
the akro from the ktm website? Did you need a tune or anything?
Thank you for this. I ride a 790 duke and love it, AND it's really all I need, but the super dukes do make my mouth water. 😁
I drove my KTM 1290 super AD S for 1500 km so far and found that the rear shock even in comfort is to hard on a bit bumpy or not perfect road when riding. And the bike kicks you on a bump so I will have to upgrade to suspension pro.
I have the previous generation Semi Active Suspension 2020 Super Adventure S. It is superb, can't imagine it being much better. Certainly a lot more adjustment options on the new gen. Aside from off road bikes, I don't think I will ever own a bike without SAS.
Just sold my 2019 SDr because I don't ride it enough but I can't help thinking I'll be buying an evo soon haha.
Welcome back
I like the stickers, looks fast already
Great review.... All information
I have the Gen 2 superduke in black and the suspension is marvelous. I concentrate on the scenery coming at me. The suspension is softer than my BMW S1000r so its win win
Great review!
Seems like your fav bike💕
Japanese bikes are on every corner just like Harley’s. European bikes pull on my heart strings. I own a Super Duke and a MV AGusta Dragster 800rr Pirelli edition. Love V2’s and Triples. Triples are Similar to V4’s with torque and horsepower but more character. Triples easy to wrench on vs a V4.
Can't afford anything 🥲🥲🥲
Which is best?
I must say I really do love the sound of a triple. I road a Triumph Daytona *once* some years ago & I’ve never forgotten that sound!
Winglets; I am right there with ya on those. Silly for my type of riding.
I would definitely go for the active suspension on the Duke for the reasons you mentioned. Who would think a 180hp Super Duke could be so practical?
I have a 2019 and there are some fast moments on open roads, where the front end starts feeling light...that's when I wonder about having winglets..🤣
@@michaelsteven1090 if you get winglets it defeates the whole existence of the superduke tho
Anyone whos ever tried this either adds it to their list of dream bikes or ends up actually buying one
Great video!
Certainly not for everybody. Yes I think this bike is worth owning. Love the looks now but it took awhile for me to appreciate it.
“I’m looking at you, winglets” 😂😂😂 👍
Great vid as usual Bob👍🏻 FYI just used your discount code with speedo angels for my wife’s new CB500X. Cheers matey 👏🏻
Awesome! Glad to hear it - they're great products at a fair price. Appreciate your support!
I love this bike !
People who have perfect tarmac and ride on straights and city are well served by the non Evo. For everyone else the Evo is making the 3.0 into the best bikes! Check out Rutter's lap on the Isle of Mann TT course with the Evo using Automatic mode!!! He never bottomed up with that you see how good it is.
Duke one love ❤️
I think to buy the yamaha mt10 sp 2022 what you think? Better than ktm superduke r 2021 model?
Ha. “I’m lookin at you winglets.” Totally agree
Biggest fan Powamoto says let me test ride Dat Thang 🤟💯🔥🚀🤘👍
One day ❤️
That is a gorgeous machine. On my dream list but very expensive for a few months of the year riding. I need a higher paying job. 🤓
Warning
Beginner intermediate and come back riders this is a unicorn 🦄 not a sophisticate behaving motorcycle please approach it with caution.
That 177 BHP maybe too much to handle.Just a quick twist of throttle will show u the VIBGYOR.
I bought a Speed Twin new in 2019. This is the only bike I would consider replacing it. Twice the power. Weighs less. Handles like a 600 Supersport. What's not to like? My triumph runs out of steam at about the same MPH that this thing really starts to stretch it's legs. I would love to ride one.
It's the Sewer Dude!
I want this Bike Right Now growing my collection and she's 📞
Man, love the video quality BUT please use more than one music file… it gets really annoying after two videos… thanks;)
I would pay extra to be able to electronically control all of my suspension settings if I were shelling for this bern new.
Luv ur video❤️ btw what's ur height brother?
This is one of the very few bikes out there today made for advanced experienced riders. It is a very tricky bike in every sense and 100% cannot be your only means of transport.
I’ve owned two. They are more civilized and versatile than some believe.
@@CurtisBrandt Agreed.
@@CurtisBrandt for a driver with 10+ years of riding experience maybe...Maybe...I ve driven one for a year and from 3rd month on it only came out on weekends.
@@cursethesky3874 Definitely a good thing that you understand this machine!
Any update about the KTM Duke 490 launch timeline?
i wonder, if owner can change springs on the semi active suspension?
Unbox Therapy 2.0 💥😉
Wow 😍
Can we install super Duke's headlight and meter consel in Duke 390. Is it possible??
I own a 22 evo r and i can say after 5k miles it’s 100% worth it.
I own 2023 evo r and can confirm. You're absolutely right!
@@Sanisani9I’ve been eying the 2023 evo... are you happy with yours?
This bike looks awesome and is even the same price as new mt10 sp but i dont trust ktms reliability and lack of dealership/parts… still waiting for my mt10 sp that i ordered last nov
Go for the Yamaha . You will love it . Looks are well ...... 😅
I had a FJ 09. Enjoyed it immensely. Walked through local Yamaha dealer and asked the salesman to write me up a proposal to go to an MT 10. Never called me. I’ve had two Super Dukes since then and I don’t look back.
I am a proud owner of 2011 Super Duke 990. I tried 1290, rode it for a few days though. I came to conclusion that it's just to much of a savage for my taste. It shares base character of KTM bikes in general. IMHO it is like 990 on crack, cocaine and 6-pack of RedBull consumed all together in a span of 2 minutes. And mind you, 990 is no joke by any measure. That said, if you dial down it a bit via modes, it can be enjoyable to ride, but still you have to be hyper aware of what are you doing at all times.
lol, can agree. I recently upgraded from 990 -09 to 1290 SD R -21. Still amazed that it can do throttle wheelies on 3rd gear @ 140km/h, or 4th gear at 180 using clutch and a small pull. This will be my first summer getting to know the 1290 properly.
I actually thought my '18 SDr was surprisingly manageable and forgiving, that was coming from an ancient ZZR 1100. I sold the SDr because i wasn't riding it enough but can see buying another, gen 3 tho.
Totally agree good description of a 990 that's what hooked me , I got a 1290 beastie now , ❤️ nothing like the pull of an LC8 V Twin.
I had a SDR (not Evo), but sold it. Great brakes and suspension. Looks great. Good sounding motor was outstanding performer... with just one glitch: on deceleration there was some weird automatic throttle blip it would do in the 4K range. Very annoying. The switch gear on this bike, as well as the other 1290s models that share it, is absolutely horrible. The switch gear on the 890 series (and even the RC390) is must better. I have been riding sine 1976, and it is honestly the worst I have experienced on any bike. And the ergonomics related to the bars is weird... not really "bad", just weird. Still quite fun, but I moved back to my 3rd R1. Just a more desirable bike IMO due to its lack of constantly annoying quirks. If they just redid the switch gear though, I would consider one again.
I've owned the SDR EVO for a week love to tell what I think but weather horrible and tyres or almost shot. Has anyone put a 190/55 on the rear not much tyre choice for 200
If KTM's weren't so damn tall I'd get one but instead ride a 2020 z900 which is 100% more than I'm comfortable using on the road since my other bike is a 650 lbs dyna street bob.
I was concerned about the tall factor but bought one anyway, the fact it's pretty light with fairly wide bars made me forget about that almost immediately.
Hi where did you get your gray biker hoodie from the one when you are riding please
My dream bike one day I will get u baby waiting for u thanks for a video
Would you like to tell me how tall are you because KTM super dukes seat is a bit higher than normal and I could take a idea if it's good for me or not
Cooling system is rubbish, so get used to the fan being on permanently. Also, have a great time getting a PDF repair manual. Keyless ignition is rubbish and constantly not in range. I could go on and on with the problems of this bike and mine is a new 2021. Great looking bike, huge power; however, the use of cheap components that are expensive to replace has made me wish I had never purchased mine. My advice if you buy, request the wiring diagram with it, you will need it.
J ai cette moto ,j utilise le mode automatique pour kes suspensions et l’anti drive on,c’est polyvalent pour la route😊
Such a cool bike. But I literally know it is too much for me to handle at this stage of my motorcycling lol. And that’s okay. Maybe one day
I would have thought anti dive was counterproductive, being that a compressed fork lessens trail and sharpens the turn..just my two cents
Not if you make a mistake and brake too hard on corner..No matter what type of rider you are..I'm sure you've overcooked a corner and slammed the front fork?..Or maybe you don't ride KTM's?
1290 super duke is always worth it! But so is Ducati street fighter 😀
Price difference is way to high though!
@@owendcunha8906 you mean between the Streetfighter and the 1290?
@@whotf888 also the valve jobs
@@whotf888 yesss
I don’t think there is auto-preload on the mt-10sp.
Was the engine warning light on the whole time?
Bro you are f great 👍
Super Duke easy engine access with engine in full display. Streetfighter more semi naked with difficulty seeing the whole engine. I want to see the whole engine like a Ferrari or Lambo
It is the supernaked I like best. But my 390 does for me. Lol
Why does it have a front wheel?
Beautiful bike, now all I need to do is win Lotto so I can get one, and a BMW S100RR & Ducati & R1 & Fire Blade Etc :-)
awesome amazing superb ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I'm having a hard time choosing between this and the zh2 se ... I'm 7 feet tall so there are few choices for me.
7ft tall.??? You should be riding a Giraffe..😅
Almost 7 times the size of my Duke 200 !
;o)
Up spec models like this should have no options. That’s the point. Suspension pro wtf? Just include everything.
Definitely worth it , bought a brand new 2021 naked S.Duke RR and a vacation ride to Yellowstone , engine stopped running on halfway and stuck on Route 20 around midnight , in the middle of nowhere .. Dude, that’s my creepiest experience I’ve ever had . I don’t know what’s wrong with it 🥵🤬
Why not get the extra suspension? The bike is already expensive, so no one is buying this on value. I have changed my position on this because when I first heard about it I was not sold. Now it is the option I would get were I to buy this motorcycle. I can see the appeal, and if I had I would try different settings much more often.
Where did u get that light on the ceiling?
For someone who is 5'5'' can this bike be lowered without having to much of a affect on the bike. Thanks.
Honestly, I know the seat height is bigger but I felt more flat footed on the SuperDuke than my RC390 if you can believe that.
I race a KTM RC8C (yes the 1 in 100, and yes race competitively) and also track a 2022 Duke 890R. And work with a riding coach who rides a 1290R (former pro KTM racers) and I got to ride his 1290R a bit.
95% of people should not be riding a 1290, it is SO much bike, it is absolutely insane. If you’re going to be on track or in the twisties you’re going to be able to use and enjoy a 890R much more than tip toeing around on a 1290.
The semi active suspension is great, I had it on my Aprilia Tuono Factory and it’s really good for street riding and cruising. But again, if you’re one of those riders that wants to “push” and actually push your bike in the corners whether it’s on track or in the twisties, grab a middleweight naked and ride that properly over barely scraping the surface of a 1290’s capabilities. It’ll be easier in your pocketbook and you’ll be a better rider for it. 👍
I followed your tip in real life last year but not as extreme. Had a 990 super duke for the street. Fun, sure, but a bit much really. Bought a Husky 701 sm last summer and have not looked back
@@HeyAddieImTojo amen! I am on track nearly every single week and I was really hoping to be good enough to ride a superbike class machine this year, but have since checked my ego and I'm going the other route with smaller and smaller displacement bikes, because "it is a lot more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than to ride a fast bike slow".
@@HeyAddieImTojo I went even smaller and downsized to an MT 03 and now am having loads of fun with much less risk of putting points on my license. Superb little hooligan bike.
@@user-rf9me7xm1w know what you mean, i testrode a little BMW Gs310. Not the same type of bike but so light and good power for the type of riding it is supposed to do! Hope you continue enjoying your mt03!
@@vtranmoto There is already too mych ego in the world of motorcycles so maybe it doesn’t hurt so much you went the different direction! And also enjoy the faces of people on bigger bikes when you pass them in the turns on track😎
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Wow, so many features! Almost as good as my 2008 BMW K1200S with ABS, ESA, ASC, telelever and paralever…
Dude even 2022 bmws electronic assistances are horrible. And all are heavy, clumsy and look/feel like a fat cow
Amazing bike and really great looking, but I find it a bit expensive. Almost 18.000 pounds so it means more than 20k euros.
here in Finland this costs 28850€, ridiculous price but nice bike
You boys need to buy bikes in canada. I paid for mine 26 000 cad. Which is near 18k. euro and mine is evo with semi active suspension and tech/track pack.
Why KTM has no 4cyclinder?
What's your height
Awesome.
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Overkill for the road. Get the regular one if you are not doing track days.
Bro whats you height????my height id 5.5 ...can i ride it confratebly????
Drink every time he says “be that” 😝
Every time I see the 1290, I think "It's pretty nice, for a KTM." This one is no exception.
Huh?
@@generalyellor8188 Every time I see the 1290, I think "It's pretty nice, for a KTM." This one is no exception.
Soooo should i get this as a beginner bike or no ?
Yeah.
How tall are you mate?
Blue or orange. Vote please x
What is the wifi looking symbol on the fairing at 04:00 ?
It’s in case the keyless doesn’t work, you put the key on that symbol and it will re-register the key
@@Michele-oi5zu thank you.
4 bar positions? 2
U don't get heated grips on an evo as std
Do KTM not realise they would shift way more units if they weren't greedy w........ and had a competitive total price that includes everything we see when the press bikes are reviewed! Can't believe you're already shelling out extra on the EVO, but need to dip into your life savings further to get the full functionality! My MT10 is just as much fun on the road 😉
You got the new gen ?
Spooky power
i killed a 2016 1290 super duke r at 143 mph and lived to tell