No. 24 Cornish Shrimper 2 years on, Reality v Expectation, is this the right boat for you?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- After almost 2 years of ownership its time to reflect on why we bought Morning Vicar, how she's lived up to the expectations we had and whether we made the right choice or not. Its a mini review really.
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I have a pretty similar boat. I wouldn’t have been interested in buying it,but I offered to paint it and help this guy get it ready if he’d take me out. He knew it had some rot damage and hired someone to fix it. That cost him $3,000. I found 14 more rotten spots while painting it. He brought it up to my house and said it’s yours. I gave him 3k for it for what he just put into it. I used to build canoes, so I fixed them 14 holes. It sails just as you describe. It gets me out on the water fishing, camping and exploring around the Big Island, Hawaii. I got to be careful with weather. It’s not very comfortable for camping. Three days is enough. There’s fish here bigger than the boat. I wouldn’t have bought it, had it not fallen into my lap, but it is a pretty cool boat to have. I enjoyed your report. Aloha
“…Disenchanted crew members…. “ Classic!
Nice to see the family times
Very nice, informative and comprehensibly narrated - thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for another very interesting video. So glad I bought my Shrimper 19 and looking forward to the 2024 sailing season!
Have fun!
Another interesting video - thank you! Like you, I'm an ex dinghy racer (unlike you I started sailing in my forties so was never much good). We've cruised an open dinghy for a decade, sleeping under a boom tent, but have just switched to a Kite (21' trailable gaff sloop, but half the weight of the Shrimper). We intend trailing and sailing it extensively this year, and your videos have been an excellent source of inspiration - keep it up, please!
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Fascinating. this all feels very familiar with our cygnet 20 (made in Australia by Bluewater Cruising Yachts) which must have been inspired by the cornish shrimper. It is a new boat - fibreglass, with carbon fibre spars. So a way to cheat the system in way. Old classic vibes, with modern materials. All the advantages you speak of with trailer sailing are so true. Creeping up creeks, the ability to drop it in a new location and explore new places. The way you describe how your boat sails if also very familiar and as an ex dinghy guy myself, learning to be kinder to it upwind when racing has been a slow lesson for me. Point a bit lower, reef a bit earlier. haha...
Great video!
Cygnet 20 looks fun. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Smashing to see the inner harbour in Brixham and some views from Brixham yacht club!
Loved the rest of your video too. Cheers!
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Hi, owner of Cadenza here, great video. In case youre wondering, I managed to sail Cadenza to the Scillies from Galmpton in September, a very enjoyable 8 days of solo cruising. I have left the boat there over winter and look forward to the cruise back sometime in 2024. Hopefully see you back on the pontoon! Ben
Very cool! Let me know if you want company bringing her back.
A nicely organized and calmingly narrated video. Thank you.
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Very helpful, balanced observations. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Lots of pics of Alton Water in that vid! I’m a long term dinghy racer, but in 2005 my wife and I bought a Shrimper (#96, Thrift) - which also came with an unused Porta Potti which remained unused. That led to a lovely wooden 25’ Cornish built gaffer, then a Sun Odyssey 32, now upsizing again - it’s a slippery slope! “All boats are a compromise” - absolutely wise words.
one might have been Alton Water but the others are of Barnt Green :) Thanks for watching
A great boat , a friend had one and it did every thing he wanted at his time in life .
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Great video, thanks. I'm going through a very similar thought process myself.
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I had one from about the same time. Kept in Boston harbor (USA) and that was a great place to sail about the outer islands and among the larger commercial boats and airplanes (Logan Airport is on the water.) Out of Winthrop the 747s would just about knock you down. Thanks for bring back wonderful times.
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Nice to hear your experiences with a tiny boat! 👍 My boat 'Backstage' is about the same size, but I do live aboard during summer, about 6months every year. Good video, thanks! 💪🤙⛵
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thats a long time for such a small boat brother
Excellent analogy with the Defender. As a multiple Montgomery 17 owner, I use the analogy with the Jeep CJ series of the 1970's.
It definitely gets the "this is not a luxury yacht" point over :)
Have just come across your channel, so glad I did! You have a new subscriber.
Thanks and welcome
I had 2 Phantoms. My son has had one for years & was class chairman for 10 years. Great boats.
They certainly are. Imagine the contrast between phantom and shrimper.
Terrific video, very well done. I firmly believe the best dinghy cruising isn't done in dinghies at all, but carries the minimalist mindset over to mini-yachts. It's only a small financial step from a heavy, rather slow, entirely capsizable and exposed cruising dinghy, to a lifting-keel cabin boat that is safer, far more civilised and more versatile. Infinitely wiser than shelling out thousands on a fully-kitted cruising Wayfarer or equivalent. 👍
Your comment pretty much encapsulates everything I have now realized. Thank you.
I sailed the Cornish Crabber a few weeks when I was in my teens. A fantastic ship! I
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Really nice comment on owning a Shrimper. (The Landrover comparison is a good one). One of the 'upgrades' you didn't mention: the dinghy-style (Laser...) rigging of the mainsheet and the vang! A useful upgrade I think. It gives a lot more room in the cockpit! You showed this in one of your previous videos.
Thanks for watching. The new main setup is a big hit as far as we’re concerned, definitely keeping it.
Thanks for a great video. I think that for me the important thing watching the video wasn’t the pros and cons of a particular model (although the Shrimper 19 is very interesting) but the questions of what do I want from a boat, and what are the compromises. It was really helpful.
I’m glad you found it useful; thanks for watching
I've sailed since the 70's, and have been asked advice about a boat purchase more than once. My counsel is: Be honest with yourself about how you are REALLY going to use it for the next 5 years, and don't get a lot more than that calls for, and if you do - for comfort, pace or ego, don't complain to anyone that it costs too much. In the US there are 'sharpies' - light simple work boats of the mid-atlantic- that are somewhat similar. And they are cool as heck.
Agreed; I think most people have boats that are at least 5ft longer than they need. Thanks for watching
@Morningvicar I can't tell you how many race boat owners I've known who could have had a first class 27-32 footer that bought a 40 footer and were out of the sport in 3 seasons because it cost too much and was too much humbug.
Thank you once again for a very comprehensive overview of this little gem of a vessel. You have convinced me it's time to get rid of the Beneteau First 24 & get a Shrimper. I live in Camaret with immediate access to Rade de Brest & all its rivers, creeks crooks & nannies. I'm finding the maintenance of the First difficult - eg the wind speed bra-cups thingy at the top of the mast requires attention & there is no way a guy in his 70s carrying 95kg is hauling his fat arse 9m to the top of a mobile pendulum - and keeping her on the hard is also costly. As you say owning a boat is a compromise so I'll happily live with the down-sides. Thanks again. Chin-chin
Glad to be of help! Good luck and keep me posted.
Cool channel! i came across it by chance and glad I clicked on it.
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Great little boats. We had the 1989 London boat show boat, an inboard. We sailed it and raced it a lot in Rock. Have you raced yours? We found it great fun. This was after racing a 505 so a very different experience. The boat was sold many years ago but we have seen her moored in St Mawes several times in recent years. She still looks very good. We have hired Shrimpers in Falmouth and Mylor several times in recent years and have had fun days out on them. My personal preference is the inboard. We also once hired a Shrimper 21 which we found very impressive.
We have raced her only once, the Brixham Heritage Regatta, where in extremely light winds we absolutely stole first in class.
Really enjoyed this video. You forgot to mention that this is a fine looking boat, one that you can love. We don't see many boats of this kind in the Puget Sound or Washington State, USA.
Very true! Many thanks for watching
Thank you for that. Very interesting and well balanced review. On a production level, it's always a good idea to listen through a video with headphones before uploading it, which would have revealed to you the thumps between various cuts on the soundtrack. It's very easy to mute these out.
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching
Very interesting video, thank you
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Lovely little boat and well made. Likewise, the location you sail in is perfect, and I know it well 😂
Glad you enjoyed it
An interesting intro to the Shrimper. A couple of things to watch for,
1) hidden rot in the mast, I have a friend who is on his second replacement mast!
2) centreboard pivot, these can wear through, check every few years!
My boat is over the river, just off the sailing club at Dittisham. We have an active cruising group should you be interested in joining!
Thanks. I’ll do that
Great story!!
Thanks for watching
Thanks for close look at the crabbers...
Any time!
Thank you for an interesting and informative run down of Morning Vicar with lots of good general advice too. I will kindly mention that I struggled to catch some of you narration, partly your softly spoken voice and my hearing perhaps or the microphone or position of it. I wish you a good 2024 , it's paying for the mooring time again !! Paul
Thanks for watching. I do need to sort my microphone out thank you
@@Morningvicar No problem, I look forward to more of your videos especially the sailing ones when you talk about set up as I'm a novice 👍
There will be more of those coming as soon as i get on the water again, We have a mountain of small jobs to do first :)
Sometimes it helps to use the automatic texting, it guesses sometimes wrong (or very wrong :) but helps if there is some noise or other issues
Nice boat, nice review.
Glad you enjoyed it
Very pretty boat
Thank you.
And don't forget that boat ownership is like tearing up £20 notes in a cold shower. 😨
I've sailed a lot over the years ...... but always in other peoples yachts.
Beautiful boat by the way. Love it.
I try not to think of the cost 😅. Thanks for watching
I have Martuca (916) in Southern Spain. I enjoyed your video. I have the inboard yanmar. I have been really happy with it but there was a time when it needed rebuilt that i wished it was a outboard I could just swap out. But got the rebuild done and now the motor runs like a dream. My boat stays in a slip year around only take it out for bottom paint and maintenance once a year. Great for solo sailing and couple outings. I made 5 day solo trip to Portugal last Sept and Across the Gibraltar Strait the year before. Boat handles great in rough conditions if you reef the main before it gets to bad. Only real complaint is headroom on longer trips. I have considered up grading for a Atol 25 but i doudt any time soon.
i'm glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching. I think i need a few longer voyages this year.
@@Morningvicar You've got me thinking about buying a trailer for my boat. I seen your video of you pulling it with your car which mine is similar. How does the boat tow? I would like to take mine to France to cross the Canal du Midi. Thought about sailing it there but it would be a long sail from southern Spain. Not a problem for me but my wife doesn't like away from home so long.
The boat tows very well. It's heavy but can be pulled with a large car easily. I have a vague plan to take mine up to Scotland in the next few years.
@@Morningvicar That's along trip in my boat! We are planning on renting a canal boat this Aug in Scotland for a 7 day trip.
Nice little boat.
I think so too Thanks for watching
Nice review 👌
Thank you 🙂
I love these
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I love watching your channel, this is my next boat hopefully, a much needed return to gentle sailing. Did you name her yourself by chance?
Many thanks for watching. Her name survives from the original owner and i'm not allowed to change it apparently
More Tea Vicar was the name of one of our boats … named after a mug given to me for my office in the church! Keep up the great content, I really enjoy them.
Nice boat but when I looked for an update from my little swift I couldn’t find one for less than k20 so I bought a Hurley 22 with a nearly new yanmar diesel for k7, they are brilliant little sailers.
Nice 👍
I think the Skanner 19 likely overcomes all the shortfalls you mention, adds the increased safety of a smaller cockpit, no well deck, far better accommodations, pluses if one wanted to say , sail to Norway. Likely this comes with it's own set of "shortfalls". The inboard is a mixed blessing in a small boat. They take up room right where you want it. Diesel stinks, so fastidious maintenance is a must,,,and so hard to do well in tight little spaces. A good outboard is quiet compared to a diesel. But in the ocean they are impossible. So where and how you use the boat decides. I've done it all ways including engineless, and electric. Except for the danger of gasoline inside a boat, there is a case to be made for adapting an old outboard as an inboard. Quiet, light, powerful. Nobody does it. Stuart Turner ? I missed a skanner by hours (ebay) or I might well be in Scotland now...freezing. Thanks for look at the crabber. Look up 17 foot Teak Lady, built in hong kong but sold in California. Now there is a small boat with heart, and soul. Cheers from California
Thanks for watching. I’ll take a look at that one
Nice chilled out video. It's nice to mix in photos with video clips. For future ref you should be able to get rid of these pops between segments by making sure your soundtrack waveform is cut at a zero crossing. You can do that by zooming in and trimming the wave form yourself to where it's at zero, or some programs will snap to zero crossings for you, depending what editor you use.
Thanks for the tip. I had a problem rendering this one and ended up publishing the wrong version. I’ll be better next time
Enjoyed that
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I keep my boat just across the river from you and occasionally sail on my friends Shrimper. The Shrimper is a delight to sail but I would like the ability to use an autohelm when single handing, which requires a fairly hefty battery and a means of charging. They are also very expensive for what they are!
I have auto helm but haven’t really used it yet. It’s one of the projects for next summer
You might try the Huntingford helm impeder - I have a 20’ boat and mostly singlehanding and this helped a lot as the ruddertube etc has not much frictin to keep it in position…
@@MorningvicarI wouldn’t be without my Autohelm 1000, it’s the best accessory I’ve got for my Jeanneau Sun 2000
1500kg! My Manta 19 is 680kg! And its pretty solid too for its size.
My dad had a Manta. Lovely boats and really well made.
Thanks u
Welcome
I used a Shrimper a lot when I was a member of a British Forces’ sailing club. I enjoyed it. However coming from a dinghy racing background I find my Jeanneau Sun 2000 more to my taste. .
I know what you mean, it's a different kind of sailing
I have been thinking about a boat along the same lines and the Cornish Shrimper looks like a good fit for me too, but another factor for me is a fairly large fleet in the US for availability of parts and know-how on maintenance. I wonder if anyone in the States would know of a similar configuration with a good number of hulls and an active class organization, particularly for inland lake sailing. The closest I've seen might be the Catalina 22, but it's a bit large for what I envision. I have a 29' cabin boat that stays in the water, but slip rental is getting very high, and parts are unavailable. I want something I can tow to different lakes or the coast and be able to launch and recover single-handed, and that I can keep on a trailer. If anybody reads this and has a recommendation, I'd love to see it.
I’ve always liked the look of those Chesapeake catboats. I would love to get one of those over here.
a question about the outboard in the well ,is it able to pivot or lift up out of the water while sailing...
no. the outboard can't pivot or lift, it just sits there. you'd think that the drag would be horrendous but it doesn't really affect us that much. Think of it as a saildrive leg.
@@Morningvicar ok thanks for the info
Have you adventured up to the passage house?
Not as yet. I don’t think we fit under the bridge
Suits you, sir.
thank you for watching
Baie dankie
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A boat is a hole in the water that one can not fill up with money no matter how hard they try.
I have to spend it somewhere 😊
Once you start keeping a boat in the water, the cost & the amount of maintenance increases dramatically. Unless you intend to use it frequently, for the majority of folks it is cheaper to just rent a boat. I’ve had dinghies, day sailers & a 30ft cruising ocean capable cruising boat. There’s truth in the old adage about the best days of having one & that is “the day you first buy it & the day you sell it” . . , How true!
Very true. Its a complicated and emotional decision to buy a boat. Best not to look at the financial side.
@@MorningvicarI claim my boat is my only luxury and try to ignore the running costs.
I second rhodevans6523 an enjoyable video totally justifying my Shrimper and now itching to get out on it. Also Defender comparison very good. Keep Em coming Cheers!
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it.
It's the same with small aeroplanes. Except that third dimension increases all this by 33.3%.
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A boat is merely a device, for suspending oneself above fish
:)
Ok, but where is the motor?
The engine is an outboard in a well just behind the cockpit
Your wife sound lovely
I will pass that on. Thank you
Noisy outboard = Ear Defenders!
I hadnt thought of that!
A nice thorough video on the one hand, but on the other I think you completely missed the point of this boat -the looks and Boaty nonsense.
This boat has loads of classic rigging and features that increase weight and maintenance.
Nobody admits to liking maintenance but that is private toil and when you are sailing you can be proud to be viewed as a connoisseur.
You could do all the same sailing more effectively in a boat half the weight and one tenth the maintenance, but would you? I think most don't for fear of looking "easily amused" or worse.
Quite enjoying the maintenance and boaty nonsense tbh. 😊 but I get your point.
@@Morningvicar The secret of life is enjoying the passage of time!
@@Morningvicar It might not have come across right, but my point would be that small boats are wonderful like exercise. If the classic stuff is what keeps your usage up, it's all worth it!
Excellent reasoning. We’ve been through this process more than once but we’ve settled on the old girl for the foreseeable future.
Sea Jade in Scotland, 2023
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She looks like a lovely boat.
@@Morningvicar “Well found and sea kindly” as someone once said. And she fits into a barn for the winter!
Difficult to beat a wee diesel inboard.
Very true
If you can, kick her across the channel. She would do great in France or even the Netherlands, Many dinghies and drascombes did it, so your shrimper should have no issues.
Watch this space ………
@@Morningvicar I will
If it flies, floats or f#×cks, rent it don't buy it.
oft quoted advice 😊
Boat ownership is a losers charter.
and a joy...