It never occurred to me that if you sailed round the world you wouldn't find Valinor because the world went from Flat to Round and I think that's a genius way of dealing with a fantasy world with a hidden land.
And when the world became a sphere, Valinor was removed from the planet. "The Straight Road" was the only connection, which sailed off the hemisphere, and was also only accessible via magic boats with the express invitation of the Valar.
Yup. Spain is the main sticking point, but the ice age (in a condensed form) is likely the change which wiped the slate clean and shifted terrain around.
The Grey Mountains of the South on Tolkien's sketches do still seem to be present in the continent corresponding to Near and Far Harad (which is analogous to modern Africa). Dark Land/South Land could have broken up to one day become Australia, Antarctica and Indonesia. I've noticed that on maps form Weta and Amazon Prime, the Orocarni does not swing as far east and come msuch closer to the Sea of Rhun and Mordor. In later years Tolkien did consider that Arda might never have been flat and that the Sun and Moon were present from the start (with alternate descriptions of the Elder Days before the awakening of Men). If Arda is our own world in a mythical past then I think the geography would have again been altered at the end of the Fourth Age in a catastrophe analogous to the Biblical Flood.
Dark Lands = Lemuria It's important to remember that Tolkien started imagining Middle Earth long before continental drift was accepted, and lost continents like Atlantis and Lemuria were considered plausible.
I used to hear jokes that the lands that replaced Valinor in the west of Arda were the kingdoms that made up the Narnian mythos. Talk about the ultimate cross-over.
Having taken Karen Wynn Fonstad out for an extended discussion of the Atlas over an extended lunch, I know that she worked as closely as possible with Christopher on getting the Atlas and maps correct, working off of the various maps that Tolkien and other had drawn. She did a very good job, and if you can locate one of the Atlases online, I would highly recommend getting it.
I had her book and it helped me a lot when I read The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings for the first time, it made it much more easy to understand and also more fun!
I love Karen Wynn Fonstad's maps. Some people poke fun at her for including the "Cottage of Lost Play" on one of her maps of Valinor, but I always thought it was rather a nice tongue-in-cheek touch.
Oh mighty and great Darth Gandalf, thank you for providing us with more tantalizing morsels of lore. Map stuff is always so fun and I've tried researching the dark lands the the lands of the sun more myself but have come up mostly short, frustrating theres so little on it all. I know you shy away from bog standard lore vids but would ya mind explaining the people's of non middle earth? Especially dark elves and the like? Pretty please
Rather than trying to fit Middle-earth into our own world's physical past (maybe an earlier interglacial epoch?) it makes more sense to imagine a parallel version of yourself - the reader - in a parallel world, of which Middle-earth was the real past. In that world there lived a parallel Professor J.R.R. Tolkien who, working at a parallel Merton College Oxford, translated an ancient record called the Red Book of Westmarch together with Bilbo's Translations from the Elvish. These documents were tragically lost in an office fire some time in the (parallel) 1950s, but Tolkien's translations were published as The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion (the latter having been pieced together by Christopher Tolkien from his father's notes). In that world there is naturally no Unfinished Tales or History of Middle-earth series, but those works need to be considered differently anyway.
One thing I wish JRRT would have done is to at least provide latitude lines for his maps of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Age worlds. I notice that one map from the published ATLAS OF MIDDLE-EARTH has what seems to be the Equator -- the 'Girdle of Arda'. Is that, I wonder, a 'canon' element? There's no mention of it in J. E. A. Tyler's "The New Tolkien Companion" -- but I don't have the newer "Complete Tolkien Companion" updated book, so maybe it's mentioned there...? You'd think that when JRRT had the Sun and Moon appear, that at least the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle would have been a part of the map, as the stories purport to be a mythic prehistory representing Northern Europe, etc. Mine is a minor quibble, though. Otherwise, the geographical details he invents for his mythical milieu are so very vivid and real-seeming.
Great video, as usual. One thing that could even more complicate the matter of maps though is Tolkien's later drafts of a Round World Silmarillion, in which the world has never been flat.
@@DarthGandalfYT I feel "Orcs were actually Men" would be of a lesser effect. It's actually easy to write that into The Silmarillion: just change a few dates and it's done. It doesn't hurt the story itself that much, safe for some early chapters which didn't even deal with Orcs all that much. I think it's actually the best explanation for Orcs seeing how it explains their mortality, fast breeding and fate after death far better than an Elvish origin would.
@@MasterBombadillo Ι would say the opposite. It is fairly easy to impose the Round World Version to the Legendarium, and even the Published Silmarillion, if it were revised, since here we are concerned with just the cosmological framework, not the events of the story. While the Orcs being created out of Man creates major issues in the narrative and historical cohesion, since the First Battle of Beleriand was fought before Men had even awoken...
@@paulmayson3129 Except the Lamps and the Trees do not work to light a round world, and Fëanor capturing the Light of the Trees in crystal drives all the major events of the First Age.
@@tominiowa2513 They actually do. Think of it, if the Ambarkanta Map IV and V were on a Round World (which according to "The Nature of Middle-earth is true), they would only represent one hemisphere. The other would be just a massive ocean (like the Pacific), which would be the Ekkaia (perceived as Encircling due to it being connected with oceans in the North and South of Middle-earth, the equivalent of the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans). Thus, the Valar would simply be content on just illuminating one side of the Earth (all that while Melkor has hidden the Sun and Moon from it), just like how they were later content with illuminating just one continent (Aman).
Fyi what happened to shape our world now was the second singing of the Ainur. It's where Elves, Men, Dwarves, Hobbits, Ents etc. and the Ainur or Vala and Maya sing a song reshaping the world into Earth.
@@henriquegomes9326 The Dagor Dagorath was at the End of Times in Arda and Arda was mostly destroyed and so the Ainur sang and created Earth... not really though because Arda wasn't real.
@@corn4me994 no, according to Tolkien Earth is Arda in the 6th or 7th Age and Dagor Dagorath will happen at the End of Times just like Christian Apocalypse
If the world is spherical in the Third Age, why are the encircling seas still depicted on the map? Is the planet covered in water, but also somehow suspended in a larger sphere of water, floating in the void? And what happened to the Walls of the Sun?
1:08 don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it do- Is that a JoJo reference?
You seem to refuse to give MERP any credit. You didn't show the Iron Crown Enterprises poster map of middle earth, and it is quite popular. All of their releases have to be approved, so I feel that they should get some credit.
"None of the locations on these maps are real." That's very true. It's also true about the first map, the one that tends to be printed in the books. They're all part of what we call "fiction".
Whish you would have showed all the locations and not just some... I'm on my phone and I cant make out where the heck mirkwood cuz the words are so tiny
If we should believe that atlas,Utumno is located on the bottom of sea of Forochel,right?No wonder Tolkien wrote that there still lingers some quite unnatural cold and energy about it.
The continents wouldn't shift into our world really, as the second prophecy of mandos states that, after dagor dagorath, there will be a second music of the ainur and the dwarves, together with aule, will reforge the world, giving it the shape of our own continents
The bottom portion looks like Africa and the Middle East it me, the further east looks like Asia and the northlands and the central part of middle earth looks like the shire. Parts of northern and southern valanor could have turned into the americas. I think it’s plausible that it could have turned into this
About the Sea of Rhun and the Sea of Helcar, I personally think they might have been the same, with the Sea of Rhun being a remnant of it by the third age. According to the Nature of Middle Earth, one Valian year may actually be 144 of our own. Between the awakening of the Elves at Cuivienen and the beginning of the First age is 450 Valian years. That totals up to about 64800 of our own years. Could an inland sea shrink if not disappear entirely n that window of time?
The Sea of Rhun being a remnant of the Sea of Helcar was the predominant theory before Peoples of Middle-earth released. But in Peoples of Middle-earth, Tolkien mentions that Cirdan and the Teleri dwelt for a while by the Sea of Rhun, implying that Helcar and Rhun were always separate bodies of water.
@@DarthGandalfYT So if they were separate seas, that just leaves the question of could the Sea of Helcar have disappeared within the span of 64800 years. If it could have, it would also add a ton of merit to the saying "And to Cuivienen there is no returning."
@@schoolsout15 About 13,000 years ago Lake Agassiz in North America was about the size of the Black Sea. It drained and reformed five times until c8,000 ya it had gone for good. The way the Ainur and/or Eru Ilúvatar shook up Arda on a reasonably regular basis it really is no stretch to think of a huge sea disappearing in a far shorter time frame than 64,800 years.
@@calmeilles Now I have this epic image in my mind of the Edain's migration west. Fleeing the influence of Morgoth, they come to the long dried-up seabed where the Sea of Helcar had been. All they might've seen was lowlands covered in salt as far as the eye could see. Maybe some of them decided to go across it as opposed to around.
So some of these lands created come from other borrowed, yet still unofficial, sources. For instance. Was was derived from the Nazgûl name, Dwar of Waw, from the Middle Earth collectible card game that was around in the mid-90s. It’s interesting.
The climate of Arda wouldn't have to function like Earth. Especially since, early on, Arda was flat and encircled by a sea. Not too dissimilar to the Old Testament concept of the pre-flood world encased in a canopy of water. The climate would function as a greenhouse was meant to, while also blocking harmful UV rays.
Just FYI geophysics does not dabble too much in climate changes at least not in a way you would expect. For most geophysicists, it is mostly trying to figure out what is beneath without drilling too much by analyzing different physical properties of the earth.
@@tominiowa2513 well yes but it is usually based on some previous geological data from the area so you usually know what to expect. Also it is very often just to reduce number of required drillings or to find suitable drilling locations to get final confirmation of initial surveys. Geophysical surveys are usually orders of magnitude cheaper.
Trying to find subsurface obstructions that would affect new below-grade construction is very different than looking for aquifers, mineral deposits, or hydrocarbon deposits.
@@tominiowa2513 I've been looking for both, and while these methods aren't perfect there are you choose a method according to your needs, whether that would be resistivity, seismic, georadar or gravimetric method. We were hired primarily to survey the area before new constructions to find exact location of pipes, cables and any cavities as the area I live in looks like swiss cheese because of heavy mining activity.
Well most of the world is under Sauron's domain or is barren wastelands not guided to become great civilizations unlike Middle-earth. I mean could you see Sauron letting any great power rise up from behind his lands and be a possible threat to him. Likely Middle earth is the centre of civilization and as we get further away from there society gets less developed, till we are just petty kingdoms, tribes and wild men.
Gondor is something like Easten Roman Empire.Quite powerful locally,but on the map of the world it looks quite small.Even at it's largest in middle of 6th century it would have hardly covered much of the surface of the world.
The only flat earther I respect…sad he didn’t believe the world was round lol but at those times everyone thought the world was flat and only afew knew the truth that the earth was round
"at the end of every age it might be a good idea to move away from the coasts." Looks like this age won't be an exeption.
Seek higher ground?😅
It never occurred to me that if you sailed round the world you wouldn't find Valinor because the world went from Flat to Round and I think that's a genius way of dealing with a fantasy world with a hidden land.
And when the world became a sphere, Valinor was removed from the planet. "The Straight Road" was the only connection, which sailed off the hemisphere, and was also only accessible via magic boats with the express invitation of the Valar.
Kek!
The Númenóreans did circumnavigate the globe, and it was a terrible disappointment for them because it confirmed they could never reach Valinor.
I rather like that there are conflicting maps, distortions, and inaccuracies. It mirrors the maps of our real world in the ages of exploration.
Amazing how close Arda looks to a Europe with an intact Doggerland.
Lol, not really
Yup. Spain is the main sticking point, but the ice age (in a condensed form) is likely the change which wiped the slate clean and shifted terrain around.
The Grey Mountains of the South on Tolkien's sketches do still seem to be present in the continent corresponding to Near and Far Harad (which is analogous to modern Africa). Dark Land/South Land could have broken up to one day become Australia, Antarctica and Indonesia. I've noticed that on maps form Weta and Amazon Prime, the Orocarni does not swing as far east and come msuch closer to the Sea of Rhun and Mordor.
In later years Tolkien did consider that Arda might never have been flat and that the Sun and Moon were present from the start (with alternate descriptions of the Elder Days before the awakening of Men). If Arda is our own world in a mythical past then I think the geography would have again been altered at the end of the Fourth Age in a catastrophe analogous to the Biblical Flood.
Dark Lands = Lemuria
It's important to remember that Tolkien started imagining Middle Earth long before continental drift was accepted, and lost continents like Atlantis and Lemuria were considered plausible.
Numenor = Atlantis
@@biozesuck That is explicitly stated.
Been waiting for someone to do a video like this!
I used to hear jokes that the lands that replaced Valinor in the west of Arda were the kingdoms that made up the Narnian mythos. Talk about the ultimate cross-over.
I remember once seeing a joke Middle-earth extended map which included not only Narnia, but Lilliput, Westeros and Oz.
Tolkien's world is so detailed and complex as well as so big and confusing.
Took me a moment to get what he meant when he said maybe Bombur was launched into space and returned as a meteor 🤣🤣🤣
Having taken Karen Wynn Fonstad out for an extended discussion of the Atlas over an extended lunch, I know that she worked as closely as possible with Christopher on getting the Atlas and maps correct, working off of the various maps that Tolkien and other had drawn. She did a very good job, and if you can locate one of the Atlases online, I would highly recommend getting it.
I had her book and it helped me a lot when I read The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings for the first time, it made it much more easy to understand and also more fun!
I love Karen Wynn Fonstad's maps. Some people poke fun at her for including the "Cottage of Lost Play" on one of her maps of Valinor, but I always thought it was rather a nice tongue-in-cheek touch.
Always loved the maps and convos around them. Thanks 🧝♂️
Oh mighty and great Darth Gandalf, thank you for providing us with more tantalizing morsels of lore. Map stuff is always so fun and I've tried researching the dark lands the the lands of the sun more myself but have come up mostly short, frustrating theres so little on it all. I know you shy away from bog standard lore vids but would ya mind explaining the people's of non middle earth? Especially dark elves and the like? Pretty please
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you
That joke/ anecdote about the coasts was quite funny.
Rather than trying to fit Middle-earth into our own world's physical past (maybe an earlier interglacial epoch?) it makes more sense to imagine a parallel version of yourself - the reader - in a parallel world, of which Middle-earth was the real past. In that world there lived a parallel Professor J.R.R. Tolkien who, working at a parallel Merton College Oxford, translated an ancient record called the Red Book of Westmarch together with Bilbo's Translations from the Elvish. These documents were tragically lost in an office fire some time in the (parallel) 1950s, but Tolkien's translations were published as The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion (the latter having been pieced together by Christopher Tolkien from his father's notes). In that world there is naturally no Unfinished Tales or History of Middle-earth series, but those works need to be considered differently anyway.
One thing I wish JRRT would have done is to at least provide latitude lines for his maps of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Age worlds. I notice that one map from the published ATLAS OF MIDDLE-EARTH has what seems to be the Equator -- the 'Girdle of Arda'. Is that, I wonder, a 'canon' element? There's no mention of it in J. E. A. Tyler's "The New Tolkien Companion" -- but I don't have the newer "Complete Tolkien Companion" updated book, so maybe it's mentioned there...? You'd think that when JRRT had the Sun and Moon appear, that at least the Tropic of Cancer and the Arctic Circle would have been a part of the map, as the stories purport to be a mythic prehistory representing Northern Europe, etc. Mine is a minor quibble, though. Otherwise, the geographical details he invents for his mythical milieu are so very vivid and real-seeming.
Great video, as usual. One thing that could even more complicate the matter of maps though is Tolkien's later drafts of a Round World Silmarillion, in which the world has never been flat.
True. It's in the same category as "Orcs were actually Men". Ideas so big that they would have had huge effects on the legendarium.
@@DarthGandalfYT I feel "Orcs were actually Men" would be of a lesser effect. It's actually easy to write that into The Silmarillion: just change a few dates and it's done. It doesn't hurt the story itself that much, safe for some early chapters which didn't even deal with Orcs all that much.
I think it's actually the best explanation for Orcs seeing how it explains their mortality, fast breeding and fate after death far better than an Elvish origin would.
@@MasterBombadillo
Ι would say the opposite. It is fairly easy to impose the Round World Version to the Legendarium, and even the Published Silmarillion, if it were revised, since here we are concerned with just the cosmological framework, not the events of the story. While the Orcs being created out of Man creates major issues in the narrative and historical cohesion, since the First Battle of Beleriand was fought before Men had even awoken...
@@paulmayson3129 Except the Lamps and the Trees do not work to light a round world, and Fëanor capturing the Light of the Trees in crystal drives all the major events of the First Age.
@@tominiowa2513
They actually do. Think of it, if the Ambarkanta Map IV and V were on a Round World (which according to "The Nature of Middle-earth is true), they would only represent one hemisphere. The other would be just a massive ocean (like the Pacific), which would be the Ekkaia (perceived as Encircling due to it being connected with oceans in the North and South of Middle-earth, the equivalent of the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans).
Thus, the Valar would simply be content on just illuminating one side of the Earth (all that while Melkor has hidden the Sun and Moon from it), just like how they were later content with illuminating just one continent (Aman).
It’s always sunny in Valinor.
Maps are awesone.
On the first map at 1:00 for some reason Khan has Mordor under it's domain, really doubt Sauron accept that, or Gondor Under Aragorn either.
Lol I am about to binge-watch all your videos.
I love maps well done
You should do a flags/banners of middle earth
It's honestly nuts how despite being one of the oldest and most influential fantasy worlds, Arda has so little that's fleshed out beyond Middle-Earth.
Love your content bro
Fyi what happened to shape our world now was the second singing of the Ainur. It's where Elves, Men, Dwarves, Hobbits, Ents etc. and the Ainur or Vala and Maya sing a song reshaping the world into Earth.
No this is only after the Dagor Dagorath which will happen in the End of Times
@@henriquegomes9326 The Dagor Dagorath was at the End of Times in Arda and Arda was mostly destroyed and so the Ainur sang and created Earth... not really though because Arda wasn't real.
@@corn4me994 no, according to Tolkien Earth is Arda in the 6th or 7th Age and Dagor Dagorath will happen at the End of Times just like Christian Apocalypse
Our world can hardly be described as "unmarred".
@@henriquegomes9326 not quite, as the second world will only be populated by men and the elves will live in valinor. you seein any elves here?
those are some good maps
If the world is spherical in the Third Age, why are the encircling seas still depicted on the map? Is the planet covered in water, but also somehow suspended in a larger sphere of water, floating in the void?
And what happened to the Walls of the Sun?
Maybe our own earth came to be after the calamity of the Dagor Dagorath
1:08 don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it do- Is that a JoJo reference?
You seem to refuse to give MERP any credit. You didn't show the Iron Crown Enterprises poster map of middle earth, and it is quite popular. All of their releases have to be approved, so I feel that they should get some credit.
As someone who had some lessons in geophysics, your good to go.
Btw: shame there are not enough maps of Middle Earth :(
Epic video. Thanks so much
"None of the locations on these maps are real." That's very true. It's also true about the first map, the one that tends to be printed in the books. They're all part of what we call "fiction".
5:13 the Equator in the flat world would still be hotter than the rest of the world.
Whish you would have showed all the locations and not just some... I'm on my phone and I cant make out where the heck mirkwood cuz the words are so tiny
If we should believe that atlas,Utumno is located on the bottom of sea of Forochel,right?No wonder Tolkien wrote that there still lingers some quite unnatural cold and energy about it.
I don't get why and how exactly a flat world turns round (in the fictitious context of Arda, of course). Could anyone explain it to me??
very interesting to see
Did you just pronounce Eressea as "eresy"? (growls in pronounciation guide) It's Eh-res-say-ah and nothing else
The continents wouldn't shift into our world really, as the second prophecy of mandos states that, after dagor dagorath, there will be a second music of the ainur and the dwarves, together with aule, will reforge the world, giving it the shape of our own continents
The bottom portion looks like Africa and the Middle East it me, the further east looks like Asia and the northlands and the central part of middle earth looks like the shire. Parts of northern and southern valanor could have turned into the americas. I think it’s plausible that it could have turned into this
Really interesting👍
About the Sea of Rhun and the Sea of Helcar, I personally think they might have been the same, with the Sea of Rhun being a remnant of it by the third age.
According to the Nature of Middle Earth, one Valian year may actually be 144 of our own. Between the awakening of the Elves at Cuivienen and the beginning of the First age is 450 Valian years. That totals up to about 64800 of our own years. Could an inland sea shrink if not disappear entirely n that window of time?
The Sea of Rhun being a remnant of the Sea of Helcar was the predominant theory before Peoples of Middle-earth released. But in Peoples of Middle-earth, Tolkien mentions that Cirdan and the Teleri dwelt for a while by the Sea of Rhun, implying that Helcar and Rhun were always separate bodies of water.
@@DarthGandalfYT So if they were separate seas, that just leaves the question of could the Sea of Helcar have disappeared within the span of 64800 years. If it could have, it would also add a ton of merit to the saying "And to Cuivienen there is no returning."
The Aral Sea has shrunk to about 10% of the surface area it had in 1960.
@@schoolsout15 About 13,000 years ago Lake Agassiz in North America was about the size of the Black Sea. It drained and reformed five times until c8,000 ya it had gone for good. The way the Ainur and/or Eru Ilúvatar shook up Arda on a reasonably regular basis it really is no stretch to think of a huge sea disappearing in a far shorter time frame than 64,800 years.
@@calmeilles Now I have this epic image in my mind of the Edain's migration west. Fleeing the influence of Morgoth, they come to the long dried-up seabed where the Sea of Helcar had been. All they might've seen was lowlands covered in salt as far as the eye could see. Maybe some of them decided to go across it as opposed to around.
So some of these lands created come from other borrowed, yet still unofficial, sources. For instance. Was was derived from the Nazgûl name, Dwar of Waw, from the Middle Earth collectible card game that was around in the mid-90s. It’s interesting.
Yeah, I've read up for a fair amount of MERP lore. Some is pretty decent, some not so much. Still interesting to see other peoples takes.
The climate of Arda wouldn't have to function like Earth. Especially since, early on, Arda was flat and encircled by a sea. Not too dissimilar to the Old Testament concept of the pre-flood world encased in a canopy of water. The climate would function as a greenhouse was meant to, while also blocking harmful UV rays.
another great vid
0:47 Numenor = Atlantis
Just FYI geophysics does not dabble too much in climate changes at least not in a way you would expect. For most geophysicists, it is mostly trying to figure out what is beneath without drilling too much by analyzing different physical properties of the earth.
Geophysics produces figures with blobs of color that may or may not be real anomalies.
@@tominiowa2513 well yes but it is usually based on some previous geological data from the area so you usually know what to expect. Also it is very often just to reduce number of required drillings or to find suitable drilling locations to get final confirmation of initial surveys. Geophysical surveys are usually orders of magnitude cheaper.
Trying to find subsurface obstructions that would affect new below-grade construction is very different than looking for aquifers, mineral deposits, or hydrocarbon deposits.
@@tominiowa2513 I've been looking for both, and while these methods aren't perfect there are you choose a method according to your needs, whether that would be resistivity, seismic, georadar or gravimetric method. We were hired primarily to survey the area before new constructions to find exact location of pipes, cables and any cavities as the area I live in looks like swiss cheese because of heavy mining activity.
5:40 Not geophysics but it wasn't incorrect ^^
Well Gondor tiny in the world map can’t believe it as it’s a major power house
Well most of the world is under Sauron's domain or is barren wastelands not guided to become great civilizations unlike Middle-earth. I mean could you see Sauron letting any great power rise up from behind his lands and be a possible threat to him. Likely Middle earth is the centre of civilization and as we get further away from there society gets less developed, till we are just petty kingdoms, tribes and wild men.
Gondor is something like Easten Roman Empire.Quite powerful locally,but on the map of the world it looks quite small.Even at it's largest in middle of 6th century it would have hardly covered much of the surface of the world.
Nope, Middle Earth is actually Pangea (Terra Vista) about just 9-10000 years ago :-)
7:50
Sort of like an ice age?
Legend
ol John was a poor geographer
YOUR FREAKING OUTROS MAN🤣🤣🤣🤣
Every time I see your thumbnail I hear a sax for some reason..... 🤔
Is a space marine playing it perhaps?😂
glad i'm not the only one
So middle earth is basically Europe?
It's basically the Old World. The Westlands are Europe, Harad is the Middle-east/Africa, and Rhun is Asia.
Finally!
So George Lucas actually stole the name from Tolkien when he named the moon planet of Endor? I wonder if it’s a coincidence or if he knew
I get the feeling that it was a coincidence. If not, then it's pretty harmless.
'Endor' is also the name of a Canaanite city in the Bible, so it's likely that both Tolkien and Lucas took it from there.
The Witch of Endor is from the Torah.
Cartography FTW
Bad maps... yeah there's a bunch of those... like the one that looks like a set of lungs.
North is South & South is North ... N.E.W.S
How strong is Gandalf really?
He can bench press 300 lbs.
Someone hack his SugarWOD account to find out.
If my calculations are correct if the Shire would be Kent, Mordor must be in the Balkans, Serbia perhaps.
The only flat earther I respect…sad he didn’t believe the world was round lol but at those times everyone thought the world was flat and only afew knew the truth that the earth was round
It's pronounced "Waw" as in "what is it good for ?". Bad joke.
It's actually jojojopo not jojojojo
🤣🤣🤣this was great.
So Valinor becomes.....Canada?
Idk but you sound very un-enthusiastic about your own work mate. So do I..