Indigenous people understood this to be a necessary force in their cultures. That's how the heyoka was born, out of the necessity to remind us to not get so big headed. It's the same concept as "wilfull folly", as spoken about in Castaneda's work about the shaman who talks about using it ON PURPOSE. I use it and have been using it for my entire life, really. The purposeful absurd. It brings a much needed polarity to high falutin behavior (which we are surrounded by whether that be political, religious or academic). Shocking people with this vulgarity reveals immediately who they are and their various degrees of self-importance.
I was confined to a religious orthodoxy through the 8th grade, then in my 40's began to explore a connection to 'The Source'. I heard "If you can't get angry with God, you don't have a relationship with God". Those words, and their resonance (over time ) were the key to my freedom. As you three open doors for me with every podcast.
My darling deceased father was a bit profane at times, and very funny. I was wondering if there can be a podcast discussion on the loss of a father. Joseph brought up the differences of losing a father, and also a shared mourning of losing a father if a partner is going through it. Thank you so much for all the work, intelligence, humor, and insight you all bring to my consciousness. This channel has really helped to supplement the work I loved in grad school. Love and hugs from Cali!
For context: Vulgar Latin, the everyday speech of the Roman people, as opposed to literary Latin; the modern Romanic languages descend more from it than from the form of the language used by the classical authors. Some language observers as early as the Renaissance noted that modern Romanic languages seem to have descended from a Latin different from the language of the Roman classics. Vowel patterns consistent across the Romanic languages are nowhere found in classical literature; in the daughter languages many of the common words in classical Latin have been replaced by the same foreign or formerly obscure Latin word (pulcher/bellus; ignis/focus, bellum/guerre, etc.). In the early 19th century, scientific etymology, and the publication for the first time of vast amounts of surviving Latin prose and inscriptions other than the highest literature (including graffiti from Pompeii), allowed linguists to work out the rough shape of what they called, with some objection, Vulgar Latin. Vulgar: Late 14c., "common, ordinary," from Latin vulgaris, volgaris "of or pertaining to the common people, common, vulgar, low, mean," from vulgus, volgus "the common people, multitude, crowd, throng. The meaning "coarse, low, ill-bred" is recorded by 1640s, probably from earlier use (with reference to people) in the meaning "belonging to the ordinary class" (1520s). Chaucer uses peplish for "vulgar, common, plebeian" (late 14c.). Related: Vulgarly. “What we have added to human depravity is again a thoroughly Roman quality, perhaps even a Roman invention: vulgarity. That word means the mind of the herd, and specifically the herd in the city, the gutter, and the tavern. [Guy Davenport, "Wheel Ruts"]
Swearing can be an anger leak, when trying to make nice, hiding your feelings especially from yourself. It is also a humorous way to attack the hypocritical social norms of a corrupt hierarchy. As in music, high notes are no more valid than low bass notes. In language - verbal abuse notwithstanding - mastery of the entire range enables accuracy in communication, especially about emotions. There is absolutely a time and place to say "Fuck that, I won't do it!".
Curious, as a kid at primary school, I found the only kids who thought toilet humour was hilarious were the ones who had traumatic stories about being potty trained (pictu😢re very public defacation that was performative and applauded🤦) the rest of us couldnt see the point😂 In rural conservative NZ in 1970's most of the kids just didnt get the whole toilet humour thing in my class, a couple of kids were silly as anything about it, most of us had younger siblings, it was just a passage to being a big kid. Saw the same thing at Uni - some kids were convulsed about toilet stuff🤦 when you asked them, they all had really weird stories about potty training, it was a big deal in their family: public acclamation then a bit later "you only do it in secret" 😳 NO BLOODY WONDER they were a bit weird about it🙄
Curious, as a kid at primary school, I found the only kids who thought toilet humour was hilarious were the ones who had traumatic stories about being potty trained (pictu😢re very public defacation that was performative and applauded🤦) the rest of us couldnt see the point😂 In rural conservative NZ in 1970's most of the kids just didnt get the whole toilet humour thing in my class, a couple of kids were silly as anything about it, most of us had younger siblings, it was just a passage to being a big kid. Saw the same thing at Uni - some kids were convulsed about toilet stuff🤦 when you asked them, they all had really weird stories about potty training, it was a big deal in their family: public acclamation then a bit later "you only do it in secret" 😳 NO BLOODY WONDER they were a bit weird about it🙄
Indigenous people understood this to be a necessary force in their cultures. That's how the heyoka was born, out of the necessity to remind us to not get so big headed. It's the same concept as "wilfull folly", as spoken about in Castaneda's work about the shaman who talks about using it ON PURPOSE. I use it and have been using it for my entire life, really. The purposeful absurd. It brings a much needed polarity to high falutin behavior (which we are surrounded by whether that be political, religious or academic). Shocking people with this vulgarity reveals immediately who they are and their various degrees of self-importance.
I appreciate this.
You guys talked about things, not very many people will dare to talk about!
So thank you!
I was confined to a religious orthodoxy through the 8th grade, then in my 40's began to explore a connection to 'The Source'. I heard "If you can't get angry with God, you don't have a relationship with God". Those words, and their resonance (over time ) were the key to my freedom. As you three open doors for me with every podcast.
My darling deceased father was a bit profane at times, and very funny. I was wondering if there can be a podcast discussion on the loss of a father. Joseph brought up the differences of losing a father, and also a shared mourning of losing a father if a partner is going through it. Thank you so much for all the work, intelligence, humor, and insight you all bring to my consciousness. This channel has really helped to supplement the work I loved in grad school. Love and hugs from Cali!
Love this! ❤
Dane Edna was Australian, not British, by the way.
So enlightening
Barry Humphrey AKA Dame Edna, was an Australian, deceased in 2023 at age 89.
Thanks for this vulgar conversation!
Related to this, the coprolalia automatic phenomena from Tourette Syndrome is a fascinating topic
So much joy on this episode 💫
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️💛I think this every time: you all are a blessing to humanity 🕊️
Love this topic!
Great episode- thanks!❤
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Jung's "heretic" thought made me laugh out loud! I love irreverant humor.... Ali Wong is hysterical with how she breaches these cultural constraints!
For context:
Vulgar Latin, the everyday speech of the Roman people, as opposed to literary Latin; the modern Romanic languages descend more from it than from the form of the language used by the classical authors. Some language observers as early as the Renaissance noted that modern Romanic languages seem to have descended from a Latin different from the language of the Roman classics. Vowel patterns consistent across the Romanic languages are nowhere found in classical literature; in the daughter languages many of the common words in classical Latin have been replaced by the same foreign or formerly obscure Latin word (pulcher/bellus; ignis/focus, bellum/guerre, etc.). In the early 19th century, scientific etymology, and the publication for the first time of vast amounts of surviving Latin prose and inscriptions other than the highest literature (including graffiti from Pompeii), allowed linguists to work out the rough shape of what they called, with some objection, Vulgar Latin.
Vulgar: Late 14c., "common, ordinary," from Latin vulgaris, volgaris "of or pertaining to the common people, common, vulgar, low, mean," from vulgus, volgus "the common people, multitude, crowd, throng.
The meaning "coarse, low, ill-bred" is recorded by 1640s, probably from earlier use (with reference to people) in the meaning "belonging to the ordinary class" (1520s). Chaucer uses peplish for "vulgar, common, plebeian" (late 14c.). Related: Vulgarly.
“What we have added to human depravity is again a thoroughly Roman quality, perhaps even a Roman invention: vulgarity. That word means the mind of the herd, and specifically the herd in the city, the gutter, and the tavern. [Guy Davenport, "Wheel Ruts"]
Unintentional asmr ❤
Swearing can be an anger leak, when trying to make nice, hiding your feelings especially from yourself. It is also a humorous way to attack the hypocritical social norms of a corrupt hierarchy. As in music, high notes are no more valid than low bass notes. In language - verbal abuse notwithstanding - mastery of the entire range enables accuracy in communication, especially about emotions. There is absolutely a time and place to say "Fuck that, I won't do it!".
Curious, as a kid at primary school, I found the only kids who thought toilet humour was hilarious were the ones who had traumatic stories about being potty trained (pictu😢re very public defacation that was performative and applauded🤦) the rest of us couldnt see the point😂 In rural conservative NZ in 1970's most of the kids just didnt get the whole toilet humour thing in my class, a couple of kids were silly as anything about it, most of us had younger siblings, it was just a passage to being a big kid. Saw the same thing at Uni - some kids were convulsed about toilet stuff🤦 when you asked them, they all had really weird stories about potty training, it was a big deal in their family: public acclamation then a bit later "you only do it in secret" 😳 NO BLOODY WONDER they were a bit weird about it🙄
one of my fav episodes esp the "bag of dicks" story 🌲 soooooo OREGON
what about the shit-house, guys! imagine saying that at a dinner party.
Part of trump's appeal
Love this topic!
Curious, as a kid at primary school, I found the only kids who thought toilet humour was hilarious were the ones who had traumatic stories about being potty trained (pictu😢re very public defacation that was performative and applauded🤦) the rest of us couldnt see the point😂 In rural conservative NZ in 1970's most of the kids just didnt get the whole toilet humour thing in my class, a couple of kids were silly as anything about it, most of us had younger siblings, it was just a passage to being a big kid. Saw the same thing at Uni - some kids were convulsed about toilet stuff🤦 when you asked them, they all had really weird stories about potty training, it was a big deal in their family: public acclamation then a bit later "you only do it in secret" 😳 NO BLOODY WONDER they were a bit weird about it🙄