Tlingit Raiders vs. Russian Trappers: The Battle Of Sitka 1802

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  • When Russian trappers venture too far into the homelands of the Tlingit tribe, they are made to pay a brutal toll for their transgressions.
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  • @michaelkinville177
    @michaelkinville177 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    I'm Tlingit and grew up in Sitka. Thank you for your attention to this story. There is a scholarly study of the 1802 and 1804 battles titled )"Russians in Tlingit America" that gives a much broader perspective, and includes interviews with Tlingits who've maintained oral history of the events as well as trips to Russia to study historical documents not normally available to the West.

    • @jbos5107
      @jbos5107 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you for posting. That sounds very interesting. I'll be looking for that.

    • @dahv612
      @dahv612 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      is there animosity between slaving tribes like haida and tlingit and the tribes they preyed on in alaska the same as we have down here ? we are lummi and haida use to come here to rape our women , when we meet one in town we arent too nice

    • @swamprat69
      @swamprat69 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      how does ur people cope with being portrayed as betraying goblins sneak attacking as a primary form of attack?

    • @cedricliggins7528
      @cedricliggins7528 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Wa'a sa' iyatee. Greetings to you from the Yamassee Nation.

    • @indigenous31617
      @indigenous31617 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I recently found out I am Tlingit as my real grandmother was pressured to give my dad up for adoption. Our relatives helped us gain Tlingit-Haida citizenship. I have a Tlingit uncle here in Denver helping me learn our culture. I'll look up your recommended video. Thank you...

  • @maninredhelm
    @maninredhelm ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I think if Plotnikoff was alive today, he would somehow still get spotted by the Tlingit.

    • @AtarahDerek
      @AtarahDerek 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He probably has a Tlingit name that translates to "That One Guy."

  • @KingD0ngo
    @KingD0ngo ปีที่แล้ว +69

    My girlfriend is from Sitka and I know a number of my friends are of Tlingit decent (although from across the border) I appreciate someone giving our regions history some attention

  • @DarrKernow
    @DarrKernow ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Really interesting. I love these stories of the lesser known parts of the American frontier. Hi from Cornwall, south west UK.

    • @historyattheokcorral
      @historyattheokcorral  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hello from TX! Thank you for watching!

    • @tylermoulton7294
      @tylermoulton7294 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, from CO 🏔

    • @jpablo700
      @jpablo700 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hello from Upper Left, USA (Pacific Northwest)

    • @jayy2949
      @jayy2949 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@jpablo700 Hey I'm in PNW too! Eugene is where I am , I'm not from here , where are you a now and where are you from?

    • @jpablo700
      @jpablo700 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jayy2949 in Bellingham rn and formerly in New Mexico.

  • @Farkmetal
    @Farkmetal ปีที่แล้ว +13

    82 years before my family moved to southeast alaska from norway. now i have family that's tlingit, aleut, tsimshian, yupik. it's a cool meeting of cultures with savage warrior ancestors. the battle of sitka was epic. i love this channel! keep up the great work :)

  • @SpicyMcHaggis202
    @SpicyMcHaggis202 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I'm 100% sure that if you keep putting out videos, this channel will have 1mil subs before you know it. Great job! Keep these stories coming!

  • @indigenous31617
    @indigenous31617 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am a new Tlingit Haida citizen as my Tlingit grandmother was forced to adopt my father out. That was what the govt liked in the 40s l, when the mother wasn't in "Indian Country." I am absorbing my culture like a sponge as I've missed 50 years of Tlinit/Haida culture.

  • @randygunn9499
    @randygunn9499 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    First off! Thank you! I have never heard of this conflict,more like war! And also never heard of this tribe . what a way to bring this history to life,man this is crazy! So much history lost or just not told. Man I am very grateful I have found you and OKC ,thank you so much! I will never miss a show. Thank you again and I hit like and subscribed.

  • @afro7829
    @afro7829 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It’s nice knowing a little more about my heritage Thankyou my guy 👏🏽
    Tlingit 4L💯

  • @mrj1000
    @mrj1000 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    the tlinget and haida war canoes made regular raids down through british columbia, vancouver island, the puget sound and i believe as far south as the columbia river for booty and brides

  • @ganggreen9012
    @ganggreen9012 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I lived in Sitka in the early 70's as a child. I was aware of the later battle from the story boards at the park, but hadn't known of this earlier battle.

  • @vancan11
    @vancan11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Gunalchish, Thank you very much for the video, I've enjoyed listening to it. I am a Full Blood Inland Tlingit from Yukon, Canada, and I belong to the (Kookhitaan, Raven Children.) I do my best to gather knowledge of our people. Although we are Inland Tlingit, we have close ties to our brothers and sisters on the coast. Gunalchish, again, I hold my hands up to you. Ho Ho

    • @jayy2949
      @jayy2949 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is the video pretty good with the facts regarding your tribe?

  • @rdwwdr3520
    @rdwwdr3520 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Really left us hanging on this one! Please carry on with the other story for another time with what happened in 1804 lol

  • @captainsensiblejr.
    @captainsensiblejr. ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "decent" means proper, right, good and acceptable especially with regard to social and ethical behaviour.
    "Descent" means downward path or progress, whether physically metaphorically, or morally

  • @coleparker
    @coleparker ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Interesting. I knew something about Tlingit Canoes, Houses and some of the fishing, and cultural lifestyle, but I never realized they were regarded as very warlike. So thanks for enlightening me on that aspect of their society.

    • @13gan
      @13gan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To be fair, most tribal people in the world are warlike, wether they are from the Oceania (Maori and Polynesians), Americas, Africa or Asia and even Europe (like the Gauls and Germanic tribes). There are some that are truly peaceful though, to the point that even I myself am confused on how they are able to exist as a tribe till the modern era.

    • @coleparker
      @coleparker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@13gan I agree with you. As an anthropologist/ archaeologist myself the one thing that has been a constant in my studies is that some sort of warfare is practiced by all tribal societies. It just takes different forms, ranging from simple raiding, to fairly organized battles.

    • @MusMasi
      @MusMasi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@13gan nearly every group of people in the world is warlike look at the modern era with massive standing armies and was with the death tolls in the millions.

  • @tylermoulton7294
    @tylermoulton7294 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the best TH-cam channels. They absolutely take me places with these stories. Thank you from the bottom of my heart

    • @historyattheokcorral
      @historyattheokcorral  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you from the bottom of our hearts! We really appreciate that so much.

  • @andrewmaccallum2367
    @andrewmaccallum2367 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yet another excellent video ...thanks for your continuously great work 👍

  • @ludwigderzanker9767
    @ludwigderzanker9767 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Good made guys. Many of the russian traders were people like cossacks with decades of experience in the fighting of the "pagans". Forget this episode myself, thx for bringing back. Imagine such a content about the Frontier in Siberia for at least 150 years.. Thx again and for showing that pictures. I've liked and subscribed as always, know a li'l about that stuff. From Northern Germany God's Blessing!

    • @historyattheokcorral
      @historyattheokcorral  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Russian stories are woefully underappreciated in the fabric of greater American Western history. Thank you for listening! God bless!

    • @ludwigderzanker9767
      @ludwigderzanker9767 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@historyattheokcorral there are 3 books in Germany, now no to pay for normal prizes about the Frontier in North America, South Africa and Russia. The author of the latest was a Baltic Baron, Egon von Kapherr, titled Mit Kreuz und Knute (roughly with cross and whip), from Jermak and Kolzo till after 1918. This 3 books were edited after WWI and all historical facts and dates are correct. I've got them from my grandfather who was a Baltic Baron from Estonia too. My ancestors lost 1410 the battle of Grunwald /Tannenberg with the German Knights Order against the eastern coalition. Good stuff I say it again!

    • @67nairb
      @67nairb ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ludwigderzanker9767 The Germans however would have their revenge on the Slavs (specifically the Russians in this case) in August-September 1914 more than 500 years later by defeating them at Battle of Tannenberg in the two months of the First World War.

    • @haleyguthrie3113
      @haleyguthrie3113 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Our local tribes down here didn't do so bad with the Russians. Helped them, actually. Maybe they saw it to do traditional trade after the aunties gave them hell up there! Haha

    • @67nairb
      @67nairb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@haleyguthrie3113 What are the aunties?

  • @judithcampbell1705
    @judithcampbell1705 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd just like to Thank you for sharing your knowledge 💛 with all of us. The work you have done is greatly appreciated. Keep it up and we'll be here to watch!

  • @adamstephenson7518
    @adamstephenson7518 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the video and channel. Crazy story from history. Keep up the good work 😎

  • @franciswashack89
    @franciswashack89 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good video, I am looking forward to the next installment of this event. I subscribed.

  • @noreaster08
    @noreaster08 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Subscribed, great content.

  • @rattrap8819
    @rattrap8819 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I really love learning history. Makes one wonder why we were not taught this in gov. school.........

    • @johnnyboomer4724
      @johnnyboomer4724 ปีที่แล้ว

      There must be some great conspiracy to keep us from learning about Native depredations of white traders………..
      At least the gov school taught the use of ellipsis………..

  • @ropeburnsrussell
    @ropeburnsrussell ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Back in the day, life was cheap and might made right.
    We cannot judge the actions of these people by our 21st century standards.

    • @jcee2259
      @jcee2259 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I miss the previous century and the M-79 to school lesser technology.

    • @matthewschiebout7384
      @matthewschiebout7384 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      people are still people, no matter the century...

    • @eugenemurray2708
      @eugenemurray2708 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I judge ours by theirs and see us as the weak man of modernity.

    • @Momusinterra
      @Momusinterra ปีที่แล้ว

      I bet you'd be the first to judge if it were a tale of whites raiding and murdering natives.

    • @ropeburnsrussell
      @ropeburnsrussell ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Momusinterra you'd lose the bet.
      It was a different world 200 years ago.

  • @aymondray9794
    @aymondray9794 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Correction on the comment of the woman and child running into the forest. It’s not a boreal forest. Southeast Alaska is a temperate rainforest. Js. But great video.

    • @historyattheokcorral
      @historyattheokcorral  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just curious, what's the difference in the two? We learn so much from the comments!

    • @aymondray9794
      @aymondray9794 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@historyattheokcorral , I guess the temperate rainforests and the boreal are similar. But the PNW and Alaska’s temperate rainforests have larger conifers than Boreal forests. Both have deciduous trees. So maybe not so wrong. Lol. Great video though!

  • @1961OnRock
    @1961OnRock ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video covering a much less known part of Alaska history.

  • @vanmann8347
    @vanmann8347 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the in-depth look back at a forgotten piece of American history.

  • @tonyholt90
    @tonyholt90 ปีที่แล้ว

    I found this really captivating 👍 thanks for sharing.

  • @user-cz2ih5rj1t
    @user-cz2ih5rj1t ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the good old Anglo Saxon empire.

  • @jkulcsar100
    @jkulcsar100 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    love the new content!

  • @michaeljoseph3528
    @michaeljoseph3528 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you.

  • @skydivingcomrade1648
    @skydivingcomrade1648 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Have been a PNW lifer and never heard of this battle. I love this video and want more.

  • @corvusduluth
    @corvusduluth ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "The Sitka Tlingit, and the Pacific Northwest Gun Frontier", "Sealaska Heritage Institute". video of lecture/presentation on youtube. Nice video mister, thanks.

  • @yossarianmnichols9641
    @yossarianmnichols9641 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not a lot of beaver in Sitka. Native coastal tribes did not harvest otters in commercial quantities, that was the Russian's goals.

    • @kenneth9874
      @kenneth9874 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sea otter, fox, martin,ermine, bear ,and seals were all valued for their skins

  • @Phoneticak
    @Phoneticak ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello from Sitka, details I’ve never heard before.
    Thank you.

  • @zetanax1041
    @zetanax1041 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    12:47
    watch out, they're bringing more canoes!
    a classic tale of "f**k around and find out"

  • @silkkdread
    @silkkdread ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:33 the horse had to stop to take a shit😂

  • @Cato76
    @Cato76 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video.

  • @rocketshipevan
    @rocketshipevan ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent. Just watched Dersu Uzala, eastern Russia is fascinating.

    • @robertgiles9124
      @robertgiles9124 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not my fav Kurasawa Film. Kind of a snooze.

  • @t.j.payeur5331
    @t.j.payeur5331 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just another example of normal human behavior. It really is. It happens all the time, everywhere, since Day 1...

  • @Robert-bm5fz
    @Robert-bm5fz หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another awesome story I just discovered here.

  • @greglovedahl772
    @greglovedahl772 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When l was a young man l worked in logging camps in this area and herd about this.

    • @historyattheokcorral
      @historyattheokcorral  ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow! Really? Theres more to it, coming soon! Let us know if you have any good sources. And thank you for listening!

  • @isaiahd5396
    @isaiahd5396 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work

  • @pauladams7344
    @pauladams7344 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best sites ever !

  • @nigeldeforrest-pearce8084
    @nigeldeforrest-pearce8084 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant!!!!

  • @britishbulldog8966
    @britishbulldog8966 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    ‘History too real for the Westerners’? History, is history. Invariably brutal and yes ‘historically’ scued by the ‘Victors’. That being said, why do we common people of any tribe feel the need to keep twisting the knife. We are talking to each other now. Our common foe are the elites of every creed and colour. We know who they are and they gain power by dividing us. I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with any man, or woman of character until that ‘individual’ gives me reason not to. I appreciate your content, thanks.

    • @davidwhite4874
      @davidwhite4874 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's "History too real for the Westerns", ie, the Hollywood depictions of the Old West! 'Western' is a genre of film.

    • @mikflo2403
      @mikflo2403 ปีที่แล้ว

      There will be peace on earth when the last human being keels over dead.

    • @britishbulldog8966
      @britishbulldog8966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mikflo2403 As much as it saddens me, I can’t disagree. We really blew our chance at something truly wonderful, but maybe that’s the point. To be humbled in order to be worthy of more.

    • @mikflo2403
      @mikflo2403 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes indeed. Folks , for various reasons, simply can’t get along. We are our own enemy - till we gone. So enjoy the ride the best you can.

  • @randyphillips6506
    @randyphillips6506 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That’s pretty neat for the English to help the Russians like that

  • @swamp9136
    @swamp9136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That would be absolutely terrifying to see all those Tlingit wearing animal heads

  • @Mma-basement-215
    @Mma-basement-215 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow you told that story so well I'm a fan of your work.. I need to know what happened from here this is the first story I've heard

  • @michaelclairforet5031
    @michaelclairforet5031 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As mentioned in a previous video, the native tribes had a vicious culture among themselves that wasn’t based on European sensitivities or cultural orientation. Beheadings, slavery, rape, torture, plunder, etc were commonplace and normal. Russian fur traders were not genocidal looking to kill off the natives, in fact they wanted to use them as an asset and trade with them. The natives on the other hand did want to kill all whites, as mentioned, in the most horrific way possible to not only eliminate them but scare others away. The “normal” culture of one people was savage to another people, but war in all its forms, no matter the details, is savage. The dead don’t feel pain as their bodies are mutilated. It is the sensitivity of the living that is afflicted. Indian warfare counted on that as an inhibitor to further conflict. With Europeans Indian savagery only escalated and aggravated the problem.

  • @benjamint.6797
    @benjamint.6797 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's great to finally see out tribes here in S.E. Alaska finally getting some recognition, the Tlingets and Haidas can be compared to the Vikings w our Lighting raids. The Tlingets being the biggest tribes and then Haidas which where great WARRIORS AS WELL and Tshimsian both would make some great video for your channel

  • @jeanettewaverly2590
    @jeanettewaverly2590 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Humans being humans, making history along the way.

  • @kennethgirouard9776
    @kennethgirouard9776 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Interesting history that is seldom told.

  • @chrisgerardy2877
    @chrisgerardy2877 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinating story! This is an area and time period I am not too familiar with, I am glad you are bringing it to light.

  • @Jenult
    @Jenult 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can we get the pt 2 for 1904? Love the channel so much

  • @kennithnieman9130
    @kennithnieman9130 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great story, that's how it has always been it seems when one guy moves into another's turf. I wish it were different.

    • @redwater4778
      @redwater4778 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Natives wanted trade. Most of the forts that the colonists built were built for protection from other colonial powers. This attack on the Russians was about stealing and not paying for the goods.

    • @ludwigderzanker9767
      @ludwigderzanker9767 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aggree.

    • @kyleprather7228
      @kyleprather7228 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it has more to do if that new people are there to try and rule or are they there to try and take advantage of the society the other people built? In the latter situation, peoples have been taken in (not without facing difficulty of course) and been used by the ruling society to further strengthen. Here Im thinkimg of course of the American hostory POST native conquest and the effective use of immigrants from all over Europe, and later Asia. The use of such helped us industrialize far faster than any country had previously. I think its a societies ability to adapt that makes it the strongest.

  • @eleanormaxwell721
    @eleanormaxwell721 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe it is a phase that I am going through but I have really enjoyed watching your documentaries. I find it a shame that people choose to have selective memory when it comes to history. We all watch movies on Vikings or Barbarians but for ignorance we do not tell the truth of what is in these stories. This is history so why can it not be told in film, words and all. It is not taking sides it is just the truth.

  • @Lenox_TheWellBeing
    @Lenox_TheWellBeing ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A good place to check out is the Alaska Historical Society. Native People of Alaska's relationship with Russia - government and people- and their relationship with the Americans - government and peoples.

  • @drainmonkeys385
    @drainmonkeys385 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Life was so brutal for everyone back then..

  • @leodwinak
    @leodwinak ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @historyattheokcorral2657
    I look forward to more Alaskan content. Really enjoyed your video.

  • @georgecollord7650
    @georgecollord7650 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The history of man versus man. “There are no good guys, there are no bad guys. There’s only you and me, and we just disagree.” Song of the Masons.

  • @SofaKingShit
    @SofaKingShit ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any chance of getting part 2?

  • @carlos_cub
    @carlos_cub ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Have you done one on the Pueblo Revolt? if not can you please make a video on it soon. I would love to see that history in your style. It's a pretty bloody story. Thanks.

  • @wisconsinfarmer4742
    @wisconsinfarmer4742 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Plotnikov would have been an Olympic steeple chase champion.

  • @jaydavis8802
    @jaydavis8802 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wonderful history! How about the Seminoles & Creeks of the southeastern US next?

    • @josephdowling3745
      @josephdowling3745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Menewa, High head Jim, Lumthechatee, Sehoy and all them folks

    • @woahhbro2906
      @woahhbro2906 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I went fishing in Calusa territory on Columbus Day because I had the school day off. At 10 years old, I didn't understand why a group of grown men were about to kick my ass. 😅

  • @jcee2259
    @jcee2259 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I reside outside a US Treaty recognized Tribal Nation.
    Which the US Army protected by building a fort and
    did halt enslavement of regional Native Americans .
    Also in cooperation with the British Army and Navy.
    The homicidal days of the Tlingit were ending. Not
    without more blood shed until present day literacy
    allows pride without Tlingit Raiders. If not, Lawyer-up..

  • @robertmosher7418
    @robertmosher7418 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is no hero in the way we see things today. I am a modern warrior, or was a few years ago. It was a different time back then. There was a different outlook on the natural world. The native peoples wishing to preserve their lands and way of life were not wishing to merely be left alone. Had they been they would have quietly killed the livestock and any crops of the Russians and any of them straying too far from their fort until they understood they must leave or starve to death. Massacre might seem like they way to go, however, it will only bring more retribution. When any great power, or any organized group of people really, are angered by a slight they cannot accept , they become willing to spend whatever resources required to right that perceived injustice. Make the cost of doing business somewhere so expensive that it's cost prohibitive and they will eventually leave.

  • @absue
    @absue ปีที่แล้ว +17

    When people discover riches, they move in to get some for themselves. When people have riches, they will defend it. The result is sometimes negotiation, sometimes war, sometimes endless battles outlasting everyone who remembers the beginning of the dispute. It's not necessarily imperialism or colonialism; sometimes it's just people wanting a better life for themselves and their families.

    • @jerichostevens2711
      @jerichostevens2711 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      self-interest is pretty much the motivation for everything.

    • @Lenox_TheWellBeing
      @Lenox_TheWellBeing ปีที่แล้ว +6

      In any age: greed is greed, theft is theft, corruption is corruption, dishonesty is dishonesty, hypocrisy is hypocrisy, and so on. In any age for any reason.

    • @johnm249
      @johnm249 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Lenox_TheWellBeing that is why when you defend yourself from an attacker you annihilate them. There destruction is your safety. Kill or Be Killed.

    • @johnm249
      @johnm249 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am so proud of the brutal white man dispersing brutality upon the people they wish to exploit. Why? Because the innocent poor white folks are exploited by the rich white folks and victimized by the colonialized. Kill or Be Killed.

    • @neolord50pro77
      @neolord50pro77 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Everything sums up in survival. The more resources you have the stronger you get. Any abstract values are always secondary to that.

  • @robertgiles9124
    @robertgiles9124 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like how the Ship Captain knew they were lying and had more hostages. I wonder if they ever gave the Chief back. I wouldn't. Just keep leading them on and and then keep him locked up.

  • @yossarianmnichols9641
    @yossarianmnichols9641 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those are clips from the movie The Revenant.

  • @reecebacchiella8254
    @reecebacchiella8254 ปีที่แล้ว

    Coolest channel ever

  • @WyomingTraveler
    @WyomingTraveler ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another well whole history tale.

  • @buckwylde7965
    @buckwylde7965 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Same old story for the last 100.000 years. Nothing has changed. nothing will change. God help us.Great video nonetheless.

  • @jasoncoker1625
    @jasoncoker1625 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🤘💯

  • @fleadoggreen9062
    @fleadoggreen9062 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There needs to be more info on interior Alaskan and canadian natives

  • @nunyanunya4147
    @nunyanunya4147 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    damnit! came to learn and have background atmosphere...now each video produces a followup video to a lecture or an audiobook i need to devour.
    the curse ov learning is an endless burden.

  • @ShadeRaven222
    @ShadeRaven222 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:41 this was many colonials story from all over Europe. They were slaves to their rulers and never wanted to come here and eat caribou in the first place.

  • @gj1234567899999
    @gj1234567899999 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If only medieval Europeans had met the Tlingit earlier. They would have defiantly been a civilization in age of empires 2 😂

  • @thomasdavison7184
    @thomasdavison7184 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your channel

  • @bobsmoot2392
    @bobsmoot2392 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hero? Villain? Human nature down through time and place.

  • @argonaught5666
    @argonaught5666 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Such is the epic of man. A struggle for resources.

    • @Momusinterra
      @Momusinterra ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Among many cultures it is the struggle for the resources of others.

    • @argonaught5666
      @argonaught5666 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@MomusinterraI think it's always been a struggle to secure ones own and take what they could from others.

  • @lightningspirit2166
    @lightningspirit2166 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Native Americans were just as brutal and land grabbing as the Europeans,the only difference is the native Americans were living in the stone age, while the Europeans were living in the early industrial age,a clash of peoples ,cultures,races and different ways of life and thinking but both brutal and land grabbing.

    • @orotewilderness2913
      @orotewilderness2913 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But the land was native land they where defending it. Of course natives fought eachother over land and greed, just like everyone else.

    • @lightningspirit2166
      @lightningspirit2166 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@orotewilderness2913 yes ,but the planet earth is everyone's legacy,all people are native of their ancient ancestors ,who left africa,and populated the earth ,the American natives were not the first settlers in America, they intruded upon African aboriginal types ,and possibly palaeolithic european settlers from europe who were in the americas originally , before them, and took from them, this in turn was done to the recent American indian tribes again ,by European settlers,,so who is right snd who is wrong ,as I said all humans are native of planet earth ,and all will take land if they can,by fair means or foul regardless of who was where first ,it's all planet earth, to which all humans can claim native legacy to planet earth.

    • @silkkdread
      @silkkdread ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re actually comparing Europeans to native Americans 😂

    • @lightningspirit2166
      @lightningspirit2166 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@silkkdread I'm comparing human beings to human beings ,human nature makes no distinction between Europeans or American indians,which tlingit are a part of !

    • @silkkdread
      @silkkdread ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lightningspirit2166 your right it’s the 21st century but back then Europeans viewed us all as subhuman savages🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @AtarahDerek
    @AtarahDerek 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the Tlingit overreacted and leaned a little too much into their raven motif. But the Russians needed to understand that the way to start peace is for blowback to cease. They should never have escalated the situation. The English had it under control at that point.

  • @joecarlson4353
    @joecarlson4353 ปีที่แล้ว

    Katlean is a Great Great Grandfather. God Rest his soul.

  • @shelbys6758
    @shelbys6758 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi tlingit brothers and sisters

  • @MrTrenttness
    @MrTrenttness ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🔥🎸🔥

  • @nickdarr7328
    @nickdarr7328 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder how native tribes were so easily and ready to distinguish between the white settlers, traders or trappers of different countries. Of course to a white American a crow and a Blackfoot wouldn't seem so different. But I remember reading how the Comanche and Apache in Texas had no problem with Americans but would kill or kidnap texians on sight. That's an extremely interesting topic to me

  • @anarcho.femboyism
    @anarcho.femboyism ปีที่แล้ว +13

    tlingit and haida were some of the most legendary tribes, the vikings were very similar to them, except the haida and tlingit culture of warefare and sea faring and traditional economies of slaves, blankets, and other inland goods, until the 1880's being one of the last places in the world to fall to pax britannica.
    They were very capable naval warriors, especially in their dreaded lightning raids. Naval landings (a notoriously difficult military endevour of any size.) with giant canoes hallowed from the massive old growth cedar trees, on average they could hold anywhere from 50-100 people, and many of these medium sized vessels would land on a beach encampments and with the combinations of their multilayered cedar armour, which was layered over a layer of thick animal hides, acted as some of the first bullet proof armour. Russians recall that bullets couldnt penetrate unless shot at very close range, i forget the exact figure but its well in arrow distance. this didnt matter since the tlingit and haida also aquired guns, they were also experienced metal workers, and would modify and engrave blunderbusses, make ammunition for their guns, and other tools out of drift iron, which primarily came from shipwrecked asian vessels. however at some point, chinese began trading with them and the especially wealthy chiefs and warriors would aquire enough chinese copper coins to make into a sort of scale armour. which sat over either a light armour piece made form animal hide or even layered as a third layer over the regular rod and slat armour, which were specially minted for trade in the area due to the fact gold was not valued in most of the north american native cultures. the north west and alaskan coast being no exception.
    make no mistake the wooden armour was extremely formidable, blades were quite useless, even if one managed to cut through the extremely tough and fibrous cedar wood, your blade, expending most of its energy cutting through the wood, meaning the energy wasnt sufficient to cut the animal hide. So striking blade wepaons such as maces, axes, tomahawks, swords and machete type weapons, were useless. Thus piercing weapons such as spears, and the very valued copper knives and short swords which were used to pierce between the rod and slat planks and through the hide and into the body. As well as blunt weapons, most useful of which was the blacksmith hammer, with would easily crush the wood, and bones underneath them.
    Its interesting to look at the different styles of armour, helmets especially; they have not only elegant art designs but absolutely fantastic engineering in thoughts of how to disperse energy from a strike of a blade or hammer. The helmets are found in styles from cone/egg shapped, others had like a sort of thing on top to defelct a blade away sort of like the picklehelm had the little pokey thing on top, and theres a few other styles.
    further more, the lightning raids of heavily armoured warriors, led to a strong defensive foritifcation culture being present along the coasts. this runs so deeply that it influences the designs of doors on long houses, they have two doors, which are made so that one has to bend over and come through, this is so that anyone coming through the door will have to stick their head in and be blind to the warriors standing guard at the door, meaning the guards could easily decapitate any intruder who dared to enter.
    Fantastic history of this region. theyre one of the areas in canada whos majority of its native population, never ceded land and were never conquered by warfare by the canadians and british, as well as never signing treaties. this has lead to present day conflicts including one of the largest civil disobiences in canadian history, which is still on going: the fairy creek protests.
    The fairy creek protests are protests taking place in the southern part of vancouver island, in the dihdidaht nation of the nuuchahnulth (a sort of federation of similarly cultured peoples in this part of the island.)
    BC as well, was home to the Gustafson lake standoff.
    As well as the current wetusweten crisis which was at the heart of the protests that nearly collapsed supply chains, especially the railways during 2019-2020.
    As well as many peaceful civil demonstrations by their allies and supporters in cities across the country and even in other countries internationally. Such as the UK, or New Zealand.
    The wetsuweten crisis is especially a flashpoint in this region. The governments (federal and provencial) have worked hard to crack down on these civil demonstrations and have done so in the wetsuweten territory since 2012, when the oil and gas companies who own the pipeline first began their construction.
    They had done so without consulting the proper governing body of the wetsuweten; the hereditary chiefs. the wetsuweten, never having ceded their lands, do not have to form band councils. They never formed their own, the current band council was instilled by the federal government, but they only handle adminsitrative tasks in most nations like the wetsuweten.
    Actual proper governance is done by the hereditary chiefs of each clan. This is the common governance structure in this region, and their authority is much more widely recognized among the native populations here over the band councils.
    eventually the oil and gas companies selectively consulted a few of the heridtary chiefs but this isnt what is required by law. it required briefing the governing bodies of any projects on land they own (in unceded nations this extends to all territory historically recognized) as well as informing the actual residents of that nation through hearings, consultations and other practices. things youd usually do if you wanted to say drill oil in any other municipality.
    So to enforce the will of the oil and gas companies as well as other resource extraction projects, the RCMP formed the Community Incident Response Group; Better known as CIRG.
    The CIRG is a secret task force of the RCMP specially designated to respond to anti-pipeline and antilogging protests like the wetsuweten and fairy creek protestors and their allies. They work closely with Canada's intelligence service; CSIS, to collaborate together to protect the interests of private oil and gas companies in the region.
    If your further interested in current conflicts in the region you can look at my reply to this comment. Or you can look up the following topics yourself for even more specifics and much more in depth stuff than I could give you.
    1. Fairy Creek
    2. Gustafsen Lake standoff
    3. Shut down Canada and the wetsuweten crisis
    4. CIRG/RCMP documents relating to protests available in RCMP archives. (CSIS involvement has less public available info, for obvious reasons)

    • @raritica8409
      @raritica8409 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They used cedar? I have never seen a cedar tree in my life in Alaska

    • @redwater4778
      @redwater4778 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@raritica8409 They are all over vancouver Island. i would think there are on the Alaskan panhandle too.

    • @redwater4778
      @redwater4778 ปีที่แล้ว

      Canada was traded to the USA by Margret Thatcher. Australia was long before Thatcher. Canada is now under re development. The neo developers get free use of the infrastructure paid for by white and native tax dollars.

    • @pantherpet790
      @pantherpet790 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@raritica8409 Tlingit had land on the coast in the Alaskan panhandle, they also likely acquired it from raids down south. These two groups would raid as far down south as present day California. They also had trade connections for inland’s goods like dog wool, seal hides and other animal hides, certain foods, and I guess this could’ve included wood? All I’m sure is that we have surviving examples of Tlingit and Haida and other armour from the region. The Tlingit are the most southern of all nations in present day Alaska.

    • @raritica8409
      @raritica8409 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks guys!

  • @wisconsinfarmer4742
    @wisconsinfarmer4742 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    good old British maritime strength.

  • @pomarem
    @pomarem ปีที่แล้ว

    does anyone know the name of the British ships

  • @OldHickoryAndyJackson
    @OldHickoryAndyJackson ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doggone Fitzgerald, always about himself

  • @chopperchopper1418
    @chopperchopper1418 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome ! especially when some of us are older than 65 , dammit. 🙄

  • @alanwilson1076
    @alanwilson1076 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just desserts yes!

  • @elderhiker7787
    @elderhiker7787 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We all know how this story ends for the indigenous peoples of North America. The North American Indians fought valiantly, but, in the end, the were overcome by numbers and superior technology. It wasn’t exactly a fair fight, but those were the Rules of Engagement of that period in time. But the NOIs (in this case the Tglingits) exacted their toll and did not go quietly into the night. But, it must be remembered, the native tribes were not friendly towards each other either. And, the losers of the inter-tribal warfare brutally killed, or ended up as slaves. These were brutal times and tribal people all over the world we’re conquered and exploited. Once again those were the rules of the day. Sad by today’s standards, but that’s the rules they lived by. In some ways, it’s still the same. As we can see in Ukraine.

  • @alitlweird
    @alitlweird ปีที่แล้ว

    *Savagery* 😲🤯
    history is dark AF.

  • @mico1664
    @mico1664 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No good or bad guys. Russians were pushing their luck and there was pushback. The dangers of extracting an unkown area's resources, is that its bound to be considered "home" to others. If the reverse was to take place the same would apply

  • @maxmansullivan7401
    @maxmansullivan7401 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Battle of Sitka 1804 video please?🥺

  • @aymondray9794
    @aymondray9794 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The villains are clearly the Russians. You don’t steal something that’s not yours.

  • @jakemcnamee9417
    @jakemcnamee9417 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is the competition for territory. And compassion for Russians shown by the British, though not much for the natives.
    These British must have been moralistic, because strategically they could gain the territory with help from local tribes, as well as use them as cannin fodder against the Russians

  • @Indigenous-English-Man
    @Indigenous-English-Man ปีที่แล้ว

    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✊🏻