I'm so glad I finally got rid of our woodmaster 5500 and went to a gasser. Less wood, basically smokeless, and a smoke bypass to keep the smoke out of my face. I don't believe I would ever go back to an old smoker.
Interesting. That business with regulating by smoldering is basically making a retort, so no wonder you get pitch buildup in the cooler parts like the inlet and chimney. I was hoping for some kind of afterburner feature to keep things cleaner. I suppose the boiler must coke up something fierce?
That’s a lot of creosote build up I guess if you’re burning wood below 250 f 120 c it will always produce it. Soft wood is more likely to produce creosote in quantity compared to hard wood.
Yup, first thing I thought of when I saw all of it along the inside of the door along the seal and then the huge chunks on the chimney. He must be burning a good bit of softwood or it's not burning too hot if it was hardwoods.... That and he really needs to clean the chimney for fire safety issues (and maybe a spark arrestor on top)
Nice boiler Dan, keeping it the building has definitely kept it in nice shape, say hi to senior for me still waiting on that wood processor, hopefully this week, where still in the upper 70s but I've have started my boiler up in September over the years! You guys take care and thanks for the videos 👍
@@Back40Firewood Extend the chimney to get the "draw" up Then let a little air in through that flap all the time..just put a "lump" under the flap until you figure out the right air supply to stop the creosote backing up into the air intake....and your expensive blower motor...
Well for a nine year old boiler it's all in good condition. So you leave all your expenasive stuff out in the snow...or out all year round? Farmers that understand park their machinery indoors.... As long as the chimney has a proper clearance to the shed structure....it's just a roof with sides around the boiler....
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq I have a 15 Year old HeaTmor that is an Outdoor unit. We get between 140 to 180 inches of snow a Year. They are built for it. Not sure about your unit but Mine was designed to function Best with no extension on the Flue. If yours is holding up Well I guess no problem. Just saying they are designed To be used outdoors.
Guess I'm spoiled with pyrolytic wood boilers here in Europe. This one is as bare bones as it gets, fan on/off with set temp and that's it. My 10 years old 32KW boiler has default setting to burn efficiently. It has O2 and temp sensor on the flute and modulates the fan speed for optimal burning. It also has an temp sensor on the storage tank and it never shuts off the fan completly, so burning chamber and chimney stay clean. Those are currently standards for new wood boilers here in new installs.
@@salmonhunter7414 Fröling is in upper class 👍 and storage tank/s are more or less necessary to stay efficient with burning process. Boilers like to run near their max output capacity to utilize the most of the energy from the wood. Only 5-10% is lost trough the chimney, and if you put boiler and storage in garage or workshop (comon here) you get all the losses in form of "free" heating. 😄
I have had a boiler for 16 years, A boiler dealer convinced me to install a water filter, that I believed saved my pump. I change the filter once a year. My fan draft does not have a rubber seal, I may look into putting one on. Stoking the boiler is my winter pastime job.
I like your setup. The only thing that I would like to see is a cable clamp for the wire going thru the sheet metal for your blower fan. Stay warm this winter.
You need a proper cap on that chimney and it needs to be 36" out from roof and 24" higher then anything 120" away. Part of your glazing could be the moisture getting into the unit from outside as moisture and a lazy fire can cause that glazing. Add moist air to that air intake as the fire is smouldering and you'll get that think glazing, even in your intake where the blower is.
I guess the glazing comes from low temperature burn, or wet wood...usually it flakes of after a good burn! And while you have overpressure, the chimney will work this way, but not optimal..it will rain into it, and be less natural air flow!
@@Daniel_kruger Because the whole firebox is surrounded by water, the temperatures of the steel inside the firebox, let alone the chimney are never going to get hot enough to burn off the creosote... so you need to burn absolutely dry firewood, say 2 seasons old...otherwise that creosote just keeps on keeping on.....
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Maybe do some serious research before chiming in like that. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know they don't need rain caps and why they don't need them...
@@mikeznel6048 Really should have a cap but more importantly he should have a spark arrestor up there anyways... And that chimney pipe looked like it needed to be cleaned from all that creosote build up, the fact that it has gotten into the motor says it's not burning hot enough to burn it off so it's dripping down where ever it can and yearly cleaning should be done anyways just so you don't end up with a chimney fire.
Won’t be firing ours up for a while yet. Know guys who run them year round to heat their water. Love it when I show my boiler to people and they see all the creosote and freak out. Lol! THATS SO DANGEROUS!!! I try to explain to them that its no big deal on a boiler and they just look at me like I’m dumb and I just don’t understand.🤷🏻♂️ What can you do.😆 Take care Shifty!👍🏻
well if its clogging tubes its obviously a bad thing. restricted air flow and efficiency etc. even if its not a direct fire hazard its making things work harder than necessary.
@@FirewoodMidwest sure but for lack of minor cleaning you are working (and your equipment) harder for no gain with chucking in more wood for less heat. its your back / log splitter. you do you ^_^
@@FirewoodMidwest one good hot fire in the boiler and that creosote will be gone. Mine gets some buildup in the summer, but is nice and clean during the winter 👌
Those little blower fans are pricey for what they are. It was good to find that creosote blockage. Might have to add cleaning that to list of maintenance
No airflow into the air intake system to force out the creosote laden burn air from the chamber......plus the leaking rope seal would allow air that shouldn't be getting in there to swirl combustion creosote around? I suggestn a longer chimney to increase draw, and an experiment with a "lump" under one side of that damper to allow an amount of fresh air to flow through at all times....
Great channel. Just fired my heatmor boiler up last week. I like that yours is hidden inside a shop/building! Nice to keep the elements off it and not get wet loading it everyday!
I've actually never cleaned the chimney on it. If there gets to be too much build up on it it just burns off when the blower kicks in. Some nights in the winter it looks like a jet engine after burner...lol 😆 👍 🍻
You can drop a svope down the fill hole and check for corrosion and scale. Test the water for iron and conductivity. Moly coats the steel to protect it and sulphites strip oxygen from the water. No O2 no rust
Gotta love boiler startup!! This weekend will be the official boiker kickoff for the WST crew. I always pucker a little when you flip all the switches. You just want everything to work like the day you shut her down. Well done, Shifty!
Shifty the new boiler Tech!! Nice work. I couldn’t have done it better myself. I would say if that’s all you have replaced in 9 years you are doing good 👍🏻👍🏻B🆒
LOL...well luckily that 'fix' wasn't too bad. Did give me a challenge for a bit to get things lined up and back together. But yeah I'm hoping this blower now lasts another 8-9 years. 👍 😀 🍻
@@Back40Firewood Dan I was just thinking about that the buildup of creasote you found inside the door behind the fan. It was probably caused by the fireproof rope door seal getting bad and sucking small amounts of smoke thru the fan over the last 5-6 years. Probably what caused the fan to burn out too! That’s just my opinion no expert here!
Thanks for the video. Did the old fan have a wire protector for the conductors going into the motor junction box? The vibration from the fan can wear the insulation off the wires against that 1/2" hole. Should use some sort of connector. Good luck.
Nice job making those quick fixes Dan looks like you should have a warm winter ahead of you! I am in the process of refurbishing a woodstove and working on getting it all hooked up in our new home can’t wait to light my first fire! Nights are getting chilly here in CT!
That'll be nice getting an old wood stove rebuilt and fired up...I hear ya on that morning chill being in the house, that's gone here now for a few months...hahahaha 👍 😀 🍻
Back 40 Firewood 3 weeks ago I've actually never cleaned the chimney on it. If there gets to be too much build up on it it just burns off when the blower kicks in. Some nights in the winter it looks like a jet engine after burner...lol
I do have a bunch of big ugly splits for the boiler as well...lol...but generally the smaller splits is for a few reasons. 1. The smaller splits season better and faster 2. If needed I can then sell that wood without having to re-split it down. All of the wood I sell customers prefer the smaller split sizes. 3. If someone other than me, like my wife or son would ever need to load the boiler then the splits are at a size they can easily handle. 👍😀🍻
I don't think it's an asbestos type rope...just regular rope. The smaller pieces are for a few reasons. Easier to handle (if I'm not the one loading the boiler), better seasoning on the wood, and if I needed to I could sell. If all my pieces were large oversized pieces they'd be hard to handle, take longer to season and I wouldn't be able to mix into what I sell if needed. 👍 😀 🍻
Where the wire goes through the hole in the new motor should have a wire protector clamp, my brother almost died for lack of one when vibration shorted the wire
Wonder if the old damper wasn't giving you a good seal letting it backdraft and causing that creasote build up. Silicone spray might help with the seal and prolong the rubber.
Jot down that Dayton part # off of the blower, so next time you can get it direct from a local Grainger warehouse , or better yet ..... keep a spare on hand ...... Ya never know when it will Poop the Bed !!!
@@Back40Firewood thanks for the response. I wasnt clear enough with my my question, my fault. I was referring to pipes that go from the firebox to the chimney pipe. My neighbor has one that has 3 4” tubes that run from the firebox to the back of the stove then to the front and up the flue pipe. He has to clean the creosote out of them yearly. Those pipes make it super efficient, not much heat lost up the chimney.
That's usually when something like that happens lol!! I've replaced door ropes a few times but been fortunate to never have to replace a blower! Hard to believe that it's that time of year already!! Stay safe my friend!! 🍻😀
20 plus years. They go longer than thay but thays taking into account abuse and damage from not being properly maintained. They'll last just as long as a gas or electric furnace and you can heat your water with it!
That needs to be cleaned it has to much build up on the walls and that chimney needs to be swept as well, also how com you don’t have a rain cover over your chimney? That will make it worse and build up even more!
That was a good video except for the fact that you shouted the whole time. Go shout at you wife and see what kind of reaction you get. Have a nice day.
Been think about replacing my keystoker hard coal boiler been thinking about going outdoor to save the mess in the house but then I didn't want to have to deal with snow around it and being outdoors you having yours in a shed gives me a idea to build a shed and but a outdoor boiler in it
From the looks of his chimney he needs to clean it and/or not burn softwoods because there was a LOT of creosote buildup which has likely dripped down and gotten else where. But cleaning the chimney should be a yearly thing anyways for safety reasons so you don't end up with a chimney fire, specially if burning softwoods.
hi there wait a second you have a short sleeve tee shirt . you should have bundled up to make it feel more real . a lot of those blowers have bronze oil lite bearings and a small oil whole . it may come back to life with a drop of oil . look on the new blower may have the same . i bought a small spout oiler for about 2 bucks . if i can help just holler . remember stay cool but be worm john
You know by admitting you can fix the boiler your self when it quits Amanda knows who to blame..🤣🤣🤣 now on the up side to this is the cash you just saved.. I have 3 motors in my pellet stove and I have changed them all at least 3 (maybe 4) times since 2002.. 1 exhaust 1 cooling and 1 auger motor..
Good job on getting it up and going quickly. We are not quite in heating season yet. And actually I just turned the AC back on this week as the temps are going to be close to 80! Probably another couple weeks and I will have a fire in the wood stove, then a couple more before I turn the actual heat on. I'm still burning my boiler every week and half or so for my hot water. Thanks for the video!
I like how you have your boiler inside. I’m planning on having a wood boiler setup in a few years. What would you do differently with your building? I’ve been debating on insulating the area too. How much smoke do you get out of it when you open the door? Is that an issue being enclosed?
If I were to do it again I'd actually have more open on the sides to allow air/wind to flow through better. When I open the door to load it there can be a lot of smoke that comes out and then gets trapped. The other thing I've thought of is to put an exhaust fan or something on the side of the building inline with the door to suck the smoke out.
What you called water looks like glycol . I bet you have a heat exchanger . Did you upgrade your hot water tank or are you using just one heat exchanger. How long is your warranty . Two years for a blower . Not good .
Nope it's not filled with glycol, just water and then treatment for the water. I have a exchanger for the hot water heater and then another inside the forces air furnace. The blower lasted 8 years...was the original one from when it was installed. 👍😀🍻
It's hard to compare because the boiler also heats my hot water. But yeah if the power is out for extended period of time you'd want to have a backup generator. 👍😀🍻
I will say... there is a level of anxiety starting these machines up. Every year I do it I hold my breath all day untill its up to temp and good to go lol
LOL...yep, there's always that feeling when you are about to throw the switch for the 1st time of the season...and then every now & then throughout when ya worry you're gonna go out to fire up and find something wrong....guess that just adds another level of 'fun' to the mix...hahahaha
Here in Ohio we'll wait another month or two before we fire ours up. In our little neck of the woods, there are a few of us who have outdoor burners and we have a tradition here that when you plan to light your burner you text everyone else in advance and we have a stag ceremony at each lighting, featuring moonshine, Jack Daniels, and other. It's become quite the big deal as it's now attended by people outside out little country neighborhood. Once, two were lit the same night. That didn't end well! It's also an unwritten rule that you don't light your fire on Sunday night! Ask us how we learned that! Happy Burning! Saw you running around with your camera at Paul Bunyan. Quite the event.
lol...yep. But of course now that I started it last week this weekend was 80...hahaha. But nice to have the house warm in the morning and the hot water the hottest in the county. 😆 👍 🍻
This reminds me so much of a couple of videos I made last year when I was just starting out on YT - only yours is much better done! Love the channel - keep up the good work!
I’ve not changed my rope either…in 11 years. I was going to make a video of it. I guess the early bird gets the worm on that one! 😄. They are pretty darn maintenance free, all things considered. I’m about a month behind you. The earliest I light mine is Halloween, the latest is Thanksgiving. We’ll see what the weather does! Do you also test the pH in your system?
This rope probably had another year or two in it..lol...it'll probably add a bit to the efficiency of burning now that its replaced. Yes the boilers are pretty low maintenance, which is nice! With all that wood you have you might wanna fire it up to help with some clean up...hahahaha 👍 😀 🍻
@@Back40Firewood That’s not a bad idea. I’ve got it set up where I can just heat my hot water and not effect the furnace if I want to. The first year I had the boiler I went crazy and burnt all summer to heat the hot water. Then I ended up running out of wood mid winter. Vowed I would never do that again. But given my current inventory, I should probably start doing that again. 👍🔥🪵🍻
Having your wood furnace inside the shed is a great idea. I wish I had done that. It must make everything easier during the winter especially when you don’t have to deal with snow removal around it. Also storing your wood inside right next to it is another great thing.
Western Mi here ,usually start mine in early November , I have a Central Boiler , I do not have an intake air fan , and I'm not sure why you would even need one . Good advice all around Dan , particularly the remarks about draining it. Keep your water as oxygen free as possible by only adding water at a " As needed" basis. pc
My electric bill is cut in half when it runs and I don't have a heating bill for half a year. It adds up quick....projections are for heating costs to be up 54% this year, but not for me...😀👍🍻
I think you have a really good setup here. I have heard that people that put their boiler in an enclosure like you have really save on the amount of wood they burn in a year. This was a good video, I never knew what maintenance was involved with a boiler.
Nice work Dan, enjoying it sitting next to my soapstone stove running @ 250 degrees C exhaust / chimney temperature (482F for you Guys across the pond). It’s a nice tradition, fall is there when Dan starts up the boiler 😀. Enjoy it with your familie @keeping the house at 75F (22C).
Hi Dan!!😀😀 Does it get very smoky in there when you are firing the stove?? I would like to build a shed over my whole stove. It's only been 21 years without one. I don't want to rush into it!! LOL!!🤣🤣🤣 Take care my friend!!😀😀👍👍 Logger Al
Hey Al, it can get a little smokey if I leave the door open and don't give the smoke a chance to clear out before opening the door too far. I usually will have the doors of the shed open so the smoke clears pretty quick. I also try to load it when the blower is running so most of the smoke has already been blown out.👍 😀 🍻
Nope lol. It’s currently 85° and 50% humidity at my house. Gonna wait a few more weeks and see what happens before I start up the new gasser. Hopefully make it to November 🤞🏼
Greetings Dan from S. E. Ohio. Probably be firing my Hardy up round middle of Nov. We have also a heat pump and LP gas furnance so we don't fire up til it starts to stay cold. We're probably warmer here than you are. Hey have a wonderful rest of the day.
Hey John...sounds like a good plan you have there, wait til the cold is here to stay & then fire up the Hardy. I figured since I had a bunch of wood I wanted to clean up and get rid of now was the time...lol...it's all Pine & Basswood so good for early Fall. 👍 😀 🍻
Nope, no firebrick just steel. The steel water jacket heats the water and the water carries the heat into the house through a couple exchangers to transfer the heat. I'll show in upcoming video.👍 😀 🍻
The chimney is not long enough to draw properly...and the air supply is too choked off...so the creosote has the opportunity to go back up through the door and clog up the blower as well. It needs just a small constant flow of air through that flapper valve hole and there would be no chance of creosote laden combustion residue to "backflow" into the air intake system....
Shifty, I not ready for the heating season to start just yet. I’ve got to clean the stove, chimney & bring the wood into the basement, then I’ll be set !
Yeah and now with the past few days this weekend it being almost 80 I was 2nd guessing what I did...hahaha...but nice to have the house warm in the morning and the hot water being heated without using electricity. 👍 😀 🍻
I had similar issue where the fan attaches to my heatmor outdoor stove. Door gasket replacement seemed to solve the problem. I burnt the Creosote out of the air chamber with a small torch.
I have a heatmor as well. Was the door gasket change out similar to Dan's ? Dig out the rubber gasket , reinstall with silicone type sealer reinstall rubber.
I'm so glad I finally got rid of our woodmaster 5500 and went to a gasser. Less wood, basically smokeless, and a smoke bypass to keep the smoke out of my face. I don't believe I would ever go back to an old smoker.
Interesting.
That business with regulating by smoldering is basically making a retort, so no wonder you get pitch buildup in the cooler parts like the inlet and chimney.
I was hoping for some kind of afterburner feature to keep things cleaner. I suppose the boiler must coke up something fierce?
That’s a lot of creosote build up I guess if you’re burning wood below 250 f 120 c it will always produce
it. Soft wood is more likely to produce creosote in quantity compared to hard wood.
Yup, first thing I thought of when I saw all of it along the inside of the door along the seal and then the huge chunks on the chimney. He must be burning a good bit of softwood or it's not burning too hot if it was hardwoods.... That and he really needs to clean the chimney for fire safety issues (and maybe a spark arrestor on top)
Where's the China mans hat on the smoke stack? Down pouring rain not good for open flue pipe.
Nice boiler Dan, keeping it the building has definitely kept it in nice shape, say hi to senior for me still waiting on that wood processor, hopefully this week, where still in the upper 70s but I've have started my boiler up in September over the years! You guys take care and thanks for the videos 👍
Count your blessings that the blower needed to be replaced - by cleaning the vent, your efficiency probably increased by 80%.
This is true...probably will be much more efficient. Couldn't believe how much build up was in there.
@@Back40Firewood
Extend the chimney to get the "draw" up
Then let a little air in through that flap all the time..just put a "lump" under the flap until you figure out the right air supply to stop the creosote backing up into the air intake....and your expensive blower motor...
Outdoor boilers are not design
To be installed inside a structure.
Don't believe me? Check the
Owners manual.
You are correct, it’s called an outdoor boiler for a reason.
Well for a nine year old boiler it's all in good condition.
So you leave all your expenasive stuff out in the snow...or out all year round?
Farmers that understand park their machinery indoors....
As long as the chimney has a proper clearance to the shed structure....it's just a roof with sides around the boiler....
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq I have a 15
Year old HeaTmor that is an
Outdoor unit. We get between
140 to 180 inches of snow a
Year. They are built for it.
Not sure about your unit but
Mine was designed to function
Best with no extension on the
Flue. If yours is holding up
Well I guess no problem.
Just saying they are designed
To be used outdoors.
I'd have a stroke if my woodstove chimney had that much creosote in it....lol
lol...yeah a wood stove chimney in the house you wouldn't want looking like that, that's for sure. 👍 😀 🍻
I’m guessing it’s the quality of the wood he burns or possibly low temperature burns.
Guess I'm spoiled with pyrolytic wood boilers here in Europe.
This one is as bare bones as it gets, fan on/off with set temp and that's it.
My 10 years old 32KW boiler has default setting to burn efficiently. It has O2 and temp sensor on the flute and modulates the fan speed for optimal burning.
It also has an temp sensor on the storage tank and it never shuts off the fan completly, so burning chamber and chimney stay clean.
Those are currently standards for new wood boilers here in new installs.
I have a Froling Boiler Love it. But it has a 2 thousand Gallon hot water storage install with it.
@@salmonhunter7414 Fröling is in upper class 👍 and storage tank/s are more or less necessary to stay efficient with burning process. Boilers like to run near their max output capacity to utilize the most of the energy from the wood. Only 5-10% is lost trough the chimney, and if you put boiler and storage in garage or workshop (comon here) you get all the losses in form of "free" heating. 😄
I have had a boiler for 16 years, A boiler dealer convinced me to install a water filter, that I believed saved my pump. I change the filter once a year. My fan draft does not have a rubber seal, I may look into putting one on. Stoking the boiler is my winter pastime job.
I like your setup. The only thing that I would like to see is a cable clamp for the wire going thru the sheet metal for your blower fan. Stay warm this winter.
Dan that’s amazing you are starting your boiler and I’m trying to stay in the shade to keep from sweating. Take care, Ben. #ogaoutdoors
LOL...well it did warm up here this weekend as well, only needing to add wood once a day and then just a few pieces.
I think it might be a good idea to run it hot just before turning it off for the season. Should help on the creosote buildup.
Holy creosote. This whole thing an chimney needs to be cleaned. That wood shed wood go
Up like a Roman candle and all those pines above the chimney
You need a proper cap on that chimney and it needs to be 36" out from roof and 24" higher then anything 120" away.
Part of your glazing could be the moisture getting into the unit from outside as moisture and a lazy fire can cause that glazing. Add moist air to that air intake as the fire is smouldering and you'll get that think glazing, even in your intake where the blower is.
I guess the glazing comes from low temperature burn, or wet wood...usually it flakes of after a good burn! And while you have overpressure, the chimney will work this way, but not optimal..it will rain into it, and be less natural air flow!
@@Daniel_kruger
Because the whole firebox is surrounded by water, the temperatures of the steel inside the firebox, let alone the chimney are never going to get hot enough to burn off the creosote...
so you need to burn absolutely dry firewood, say 2 seasons old...otherwise that creosote just keeps on keeping on.....
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Maybe do some serious research before chiming in like that. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know they don't need rain caps and why they don't need them...
@@mikeznel6048 I am actually a certified chimney sweep and installer. I'll leave it at that.
@@mikeznel6048 Really should have a cap but more importantly he should have a spark arrestor up there anyways... And that chimney pipe looked like it needed to be cleaned from all that creosote build up, the fact that it has gotten into the motor says it's not burning hot enough to burn it off so it's dripping down where ever it can and yearly cleaning should be done anyways just so you don't end up with a chimney fire.
Won’t be firing ours up for a while yet. Know guys who run them year round to heat their water. Love it when I show my boiler to people and they see all the creosote and freak out. Lol! THATS SO DANGEROUS!!! I try to explain to them that its no big deal on a boiler and they just look at me like I’m dumb and I just don’t understand.🤷🏻♂️ What can you do.😆 Take care Shifty!👍🏻
well if its clogging tubes its obviously a bad thing. restricted air flow and efficiency etc. even if its not a direct fire hazard its making things work harder than necessary.
@@danielroden9424 like I said, it’s not dangerous. Glad we’re in agreement.
@@FirewoodMidwest sure but for lack of minor cleaning you are working (and your equipment) harder for no gain with chucking in more wood for less heat. its your back / log splitter. you do you ^_^
@@danielroden9424 Dude, all I said was creosote wasn’t dangerous in a wood boiler. Move on 😆
@@FirewoodMidwest one good hot fire in the boiler and that creosote will be gone. Mine gets some buildup in the summer, but is nice and clean during the winter 👌
Those little blower fans are pricey for what they are. It was good to find that creosote blockage. Might have to add cleaning that to list of maintenance
Why would you start it now?you’re running around in a t shirt
What's the culprit for the creasoate at the fan? You burn wood that ain't even close to green.
No airflow into the air intake system to force out the creosote laden burn air from the chamber......plus the leaking rope seal would allow air that shouldn't be getting in there to swirl combustion creosote around?
I suggestn a longer chimney to increase draw, and an experiment with a "lump" under one side of that damper to allow an amount of fresh air to flow through at all times....
Great channel. Just fired my heatmor boiler up last week. I like that yours is hidden inside a shop/building! Nice to keep the elements off it and not get wet loading it everyday!
Hey Dan....how often do you clean the chimney? Surprised you didn't run the brush a few times.
I've actually never cleaned the chimney on it. If there gets to be too much build up on it it just burns off when the blower kicks in. Some nights in the winter it looks like a jet engine after burner...lol 😆 👍 🍻
Do you have a back up electrical supply if the mains electric went down like Texas last Winter?
That is the one thing I don't have....yet. 😀 👍 🍻
I simply have a small inverter and the deep cycle batteries from my boat on standby.
"...there is no effort without error or shortcoming."
President Theodore Roosevelt
Great video as always next time don’t fast forward when your talking though we want to hear all the info lol!
Better it happen now then 30 below
You can drop a svope down the fill hole and check for corrosion and scale. Test the water for iron and conductivity. Moly coats the steel to protect it and sulphites strip oxygen from the water. No O2 no rust
Gotta love boiler startup!! This weekend will be the official boiker kickoff for the WST crew. I always pucker a little when you flip all the switches. You just want everything to work like the day you shut her down. Well done, Shifty!
Shifty the new boiler Tech!! Nice work. I couldn’t have done it better myself. I would say if that’s all you have replaced in 9 years you are doing good 👍🏻👍🏻B🆒
LOL...well luckily that 'fix' wasn't too bad. Did give me a challenge for a bit to get things lined up and back together. But yeah I'm hoping this blower now lasts another 8-9 years. 👍 😀 🍻
Yeah his original parts went further than mine on my pellet stove.. I have ran my stove since 2002 and the 1st exhaust motor failed at 3 years..
@@Back40Firewood Dan I was just thinking about that the buildup of creasote you found inside the door behind the fan. It was probably caused by the fireproof rope door seal getting bad and sucking small amounts of smoke thru the fan over the last 5-6 years. Probably what caused the fan to burn out too! That’s just my opinion no expert here!
@@toddsoutsideagain I will agree with you, but I wish Dan would have left the volume on so we could hear what he was saying, lol
Thanks for the video. Did the old fan have a wire protector for the conductors going into the motor junction box? The vibration from the fan can wear the insulation off the wires against that 1/2" hole. Should use some sort of connector. Good luck.
Nice job making those quick fixes Dan looks like you should have a warm winter ahead of you! I am in the process of refurbishing a woodstove and working on getting it all hooked up in our new home can’t wait to light my first fire! Nights are getting chilly here in CT!
That'll be nice getting an old wood stove rebuilt and fired up...I hear ya on that morning chill being in the house, that's gone here now for a few months...hahahaha 👍 😀 🍻
I’m surprised you didn’t clean the flue
Back 40 Firewood
3 weeks ago
I've actually never cleaned the chimney on it. If there gets to be too much build up on it it just burns off when the blower kicks in. Some nights in the winter it looks like a jet engine after burner...lol
Setup cost excluded, Is it cheaper to run one of these outdoor wood burners than a standard electric furnace?
If wood is free, then yes.
Yep, that's where you can 'save' is if you can source wood without having to buy loads of logs. 😀👍🍻
I recommend filling your boilers to the brim when you put them down for the summer , like he said about oxygen you don’t want any in there !!!
If using a boiler why split your wood so small? Any reason for that? To me your wood is split for wood stove size
I do have a bunch of big ugly splits for the boiler as well...lol...but generally the smaller splits is for a few reasons.
1. The smaller splits season better and faster
2. If needed I can then sell that wood without having to re-split it down. All of the wood I sell customers prefer the smaller split sizes.
3. If someone other than me, like my wife or son would ever need to load the boiler then the splits are at a size they can easily handle.
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@@Back40Firewood awesome. Thanks for the explanation
Is that an asbestos type rope? Also... considering the huge door and interior of the boiler, WHY do you make your firewood pieces so small?
I don't think it's an asbestos type rope...just regular rope. The smaller pieces are for a few reasons. Easier to handle (if I'm not the one loading the boiler), better seasoning on the wood, and if I needed to I could sell. If all my pieces were large oversized pieces they'd be hard to handle, take longer to season and I wouldn't be able to mix into what I sell if needed. 👍 😀 🍻
It's a fibreglass rope....no asbestos at all.
It’s that time lol
Where the wire goes through the hole in the new motor should have a wire protector clamp, my brother almost died for lack of one when vibration shorted the wire
Wonder if the old damper wasn't giving you a good seal letting it backdraft and causing that creasote build up. Silicone spray might help with the seal and prolong the rubber.
Jot down that Dayton part # off of the blower, so next time you can get it direct from a local Grainger warehouse , or better yet ..... keep a spare on hand ...... Ya never know when it will Poop the Bed !!!
Does that stove not have heat exchanger tubes that need cleaning?
Nope, the exchangers are inside the house...one is for the hot water heater and then one is for the forced air furnace.
@@Back40Firewood thanks for the response. I wasnt clear enough with my my question, my fault. I was referring to pipes that go from the firebox to the chimney pipe. My neighbor has one that has 3 4” tubes that run from the firebox to the back of the stove then to the front and up the flue pipe. He has to clean the creosote out of them yearly. Those pipes make it super efficient, not much heat lost up the chimney.
That's usually when something like that happens lol!! I've replaced door ropes a few times but been fortunate to never have to replace a blower! Hard to believe that it's that time of year already!! Stay safe my friend!! 🍻😀
Nice that you can fix it yourself. Great job👍 I like the wood boiler design. What is the expected life span of the boiler? Have a great day Dan🚜💨💡😁👍
20 plus years. They go longer than thay but thays taking into account abuse and damage from not being properly maintained. They'll last just as long as a gas or electric furnace and you can heat your water with it!
You did not show/say that you disconnected the electrical power before you opened up the boiler, text overlay would be good for deaf people.
That needs to be cleaned it has to much build up on the walls and that chimney needs to be swept as well, also how com you don’t have a rain cover over your chimney? That will make it worse and build up even more!
That was a good video except for the fact that you shouted the whole time. Go shout at you wife and see what kind of reaction you get. Have a nice day.
All that creosote build up in the chimney is not good. Looks like a easy chimney to clean.
Been think about replacing my keystoker hard coal boiler been thinking about going outdoor to save the mess in the house but then I didn't want to have to deal with snow around it and being outdoors you having yours in a shed gives me a idea to build a shed and but a outdoor boiler in it
I’m like you, I can make an easy job very difficult with lots of bad words as well! 😂 🥃
LOL...ohh yeah there were a few of those words said during the process. 👍 😀 🍻
Hi, looks like that door fan vent should be on the yearly check/clean cycle..
From the looks of his chimney he needs to clean it and/or not burn softwoods because there was a LOT of creosote buildup which has likely dripped down and gotten else where.
But cleaning the chimney should be a yearly thing anyways for safety reasons so you don't end up with a chimney fire, specially if burning softwoods.
hi there wait a second you have a short sleeve tee shirt . you should have bundled up to make it feel more real . a lot of those blowers have bronze oil lite bearings and a small oil whole . it may come back to life with a drop of oil . look on the new blower may have the same . i bought a small spout oiler for about 2 bucks . if i can help just holler . remember stay cool but be worm john
How often do you sweep the creosote from the chimney? 🇺🇸
How much efficiency did you gain by doing all of that?
I would be cleaning the fan aperture every year.
Should look at crown royal. Burn about half the wood
It must be cold weather if you have a t shit.
My pump going to my house died!!!!
should scrape the inside walls
If everything went according to plan and worked the first time, life would be rather boring. 😀
This is true...good point. 👍 😀 🍻
Hahaha.. Well said William..🤣👍
You know by admitting you can fix the boiler your self when it quits Amanda knows who to blame..🤣🤣🤣 now on the up side to this is the cash you just saved..
I have 3 motors in my pellet stove and I have changed them all at least 3 (maybe 4) times since 2002..
1 exhaust 1 cooling and 1 auger motor..
Dan, probably won’t start ours for another month, They definitely make a slave of us🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
I got a bunch of Pine & Basswood to burn up so figured starting it up now will get rid of that wood before it gets 'cold'...lol 👍 😀 🍻
You don’t very smart
Good job on getting it up and going quickly. We are not quite in heating season yet. And actually I just turned the AC back on this week as the temps are going to be close to 80! Probably another couple weeks and I will have a fire in the wood stove, then a couple more before I turn the actual heat on. I'm still burning my boiler every week and half or so for my hot water. Thanks for the video!
I had no idea wood could boil.
I like how you have your boiler inside. I’m planning on having a wood boiler setup in a few years. What would you do differently with your building? I’ve been debating on insulating the area too. How much smoke do you get out of it when you open the door? Is that an issue being enclosed?
If I were to do it again I'd actually have more open on the sides to allow air/wind to flow through better. When I open the door to load it there can be a lot of smoke that comes out and then gets trapped. The other thing I've thought of is to put an exhaust fan or something on the side of the building inline with the door to suck the smoke out.
What you called water looks like glycol . I bet you have a heat exchanger . Did you upgrade your hot water tank or are you using just one heat exchanger. How long is your warranty . Two years for a blower . Not good .
Nope it's not filled with glycol, just water and then treatment for the water. I have a exchanger for the hot water heater and then another inside the forces air furnace. The blower lasted 8 years...was the original one from when it was installed. 👍😀🍻
I'm curious as to efficiency compared to a woodstove.. And isnt a boiler useless when the power is out ?
It's hard to compare because the boiler also heats my hot water. But yeah if the power is out for extended period of time you'd want to have a backup generator. 👍😀🍻
I will say... there is a level of anxiety starting these machines up. Every year I do it I hold my breath all day untill its up to temp and good to go lol
LOL...yep, there's always that feeling when you are about to throw the switch for the 1st time of the season...and then every now & then throughout when ya worry you're gonna go out to fire up and find something wrong....guess that just adds another level of 'fun' to the mix...hahahaha
Here in Ohio we'll wait another month or two before we fire ours up. In our little neck of the woods, there are a few of us who have outdoor burners and we have a tradition here that when you plan to light your burner you text everyone else in advance and we have a stag ceremony at each lighting, featuring moonshine, Jack Daniels, and other. It's become quite the big deal as it's now attended by people outside out little country neighborhood. Once, two were lit the same night. That didn't end well! It's also an unwritten rule that you don't light your fire on Sunday night! Ask us how we learned that! Happy Burning! Saw you running around with your camera at Paul Bunyan. Quite the event.
Well it's official I now know one person who is ready for winter heating!! That reminds me I better order propane 🤪
I have bad survice her in va but I look at as much videos as I can and I look a lots
Thanks Anthony...appreciate you watching. 👍 😀 🍻
Same herein Washington State with my pellet stove..so now I get all the parts on line and do the work/maintenance my self..
Lots to do to get that ole girl running, nice job Shifty! -Brad
Already?
I know, right!
lol...yep. But of course now that I started it last week this weekend was 80...hahaha. But nice to have the house warm in the morning and the hot water the hottest in the county. 😆 👍 🍻
Hmm... We had the air conditioner running this afternoon in Southern Indiana. I usually fire up the wood stove just before Thanksgiving weekend.
This reminds me so much of a couple of videos I made last year when I was just starting out on YT - only yours is much better done! Love the channel - keep up the good work!
I’ve not changed my rope either…in 11 years. I was going to make a video of it. I guess the early bird gets the worm on that one! 😄. They are pretty darn maintenance free, all things considered. I’m about a month behind you. The earliest I light mine is Halloween, the latest is Thanksgiving. We’ll see what the weather does! Do you also test the pH in your system?
This rope probably had another year or two in it..lol...it'll probably add a bit to the efficiency of burning now that its replaced. Yes the boilers are pretty low maintenance, which is nice! With all that wood you have you might wanna fire it up to help with some clean up...hahahaha 👍 😀 🍻
@@Back40Firewood That’s not a bad idea. I’ve got it set up where I can just heat my hot water and not effect the furnace if I want to. The first year I had the boiler I went crazy and burnt all summer to heat the hot water. Then I ended up running out of wood mid winter. Vowed I would never do that again. But given my current inventory, I should probably start doing that again. 👍🔥🪵🍻
I'm probably not going to fire my Central Boiler up till the beginning of November . It's not cold enough here in Missouri yet!
Got the fireplace going twice to take the morning chill off. Back in the 80's now? I also like sleeping in these cooler nights. No heat no ac. $$$
Mate nice to see the boiler firing up again .but put a cowling on that chimney !!!!!!!
Having your wood furnace inside the shed is a great idea. I wish I had done that. It must make everything easier during the winter especially when you don’t have to deal with snow removal around it. Also storing your wood inside right next to it is another great thing.
I like your new video today this was nice fire you did and your wood stove good jop on your video love your video buddy 🔥🍺🍺
Hello from Chicago! How many sq. feet will your boiler heat?
Cheers
I also check both pumps- I heat two houses with my Central Boiler.
Even would recommend sweeping the chimney as well.
I haven't started my stove yet I live in Pennsylvania and I still got my A/C on
Western Mi here ,usually start mine in early November , I have a Central Boiler , I do not have an intake air fan , and I'm not sure why you would even need one . Good advice all around Dan , particularly the remarks about draining it. Keep your water as oxygen free as possible by only adding water at a " As needed" basis.
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I can't imagine how much money you're not saving. Pretty cool still.
My electric bill is cut in half when it runs and I don't have a heating bill for half a year. It adds up quick....projections are for heating costs to be up 54% this year, but not for me...😀👍🍻
@@Back40Firewood Firewood is more labor intensive and in the end just as expensive if not more.
I think you have a really good setup here. I have heard that people that put their boiler in an enclosure like you have really save on the amount of wood they burn in a year. This was a good video, I never knew what maintenance was involved with a boiler.
It's like any machinery...put it away in a building and protect it year round..... it will last far longer.
Been running my central boilers 14 years and on 1 draft door solinoid replace, no fan needed
Never fails, 1 hour job takes 3. We will probably start using our wood stove in a day or two.
Yep, that's exactly the way it goes for me...lol, but I guess as long as it gets done that's what matters. 👍 😀 🍻
You are going to get so much more air now that it is clean. Good job.
Nice work Dan, enjoying it sitting next to my soapstone stove running @ 250 degrees C exhaust / chimney temperature (482F for you Guys across the pond). It’s a nice tradition, fall is there when Dan starts up the boiler 😀. Enjoy it with your familie @keeping the house at 75F (22C).
Thanks Ludo...yep Fall is here, although yesterday & today it was 80...hahahaha, gonna start cooling off more I hope.👍 😀 🍻
We don't start ours till probably next month. When it gets colder we will start ours up. 🍻🍻👍👍🎉🎉😀!
I probably could've waited as well, but have some wood I wanted to get cleaned/burned up so now is a good time of the year to do that...lol 👍 😀 🍻
Hi Dan!!😀😀
Does it get very smoky in there when you are firing the stove??
I would like to build a shed over my whole stove. It's only been 21 years without one. I don't want to rush into it!! LOL!!🤣🤣🤣
Take care my friend!!😀😀👍👍
Logger Al
Hey Al, it can get a little smokey if I leave the door open and don't give the smoke a chance to clear out before opening the door too far. I usually will have the doors of the shed open so the smoke clears pretty quick. I also try to load it when the blower is running so most of the smoke has already been blown out.👍 😀 🍻
Nope lol. It’s currently 85° and 50% humidity at my house. Gonna wait a few more weeks and see what happens before I start up the new gasser. Hopefully make it to November 🤞🏼
lol...yeah of course after I started it up this weekend now it was almost 80 and humid. 👍 😀 🍻
Greetings Dan from S. E. Ohio. Probably be firing my Hardy up round middle of Nov. We have also a heat pump and LP gas furnance so we don't fire up til it starts to stay cold. We're probably warmer here than you are. Hey have a wonderful rest of the day.
Hey John...sounds like a good plan you have there, wait til the cold is here to stay & then fire up the Hardy. I figured since I had a bunch of wood I wanted to clean up and get rid of now was the time...lol...it's all Pine & Basswood so good for early Fall. 👍 😀 🍻
Great honest work, as usual, Thanks
What is the firebox lined with? Does it have firebrick like a regular wood stove? Nice looking unit...
Nope, no firebrick just steel. The steel water jacket heats the water and the water carries the heat into the house through a couple exchangers to transfer the heat. I'll show in upcoming video.👍 😀 🍻
Good job sir! Did you ever mention what caused the creosote behind the fan? Is that just normal build up?
The chimney is not long enough to draw properly...and the air supply is too choked off...so the creosote has the opportunity to go back up through the door and clog up the blower as well.
It needs just a small constant flow of air through that flapper valve hole and there would be no chance of creosote laden combustion residue to "backflow" into the air intake system....
Shifty, I not ready for the heating season to start just yet. I’ve got to clean the stove, chimney & bring the wood into the basement, then I’ll be set !
Yeah and now with the past few days this weekend it being almost 80 I was 2nd guessing what I did...hahaha...but nice to have the house warm in the morning and the hot water being heated without using electricity. 👍 😀 🍻
I had similar issue where the fan attaches to my heatmor outdoor stove. Door gasket replacement seemed to solve the problem.
I burnt the Creosote out of the air chamber with a small torch.
I have a heatmor as well. Was the door gasket change out similar to Dan's ? Dig out the rubber gasket , reinstall with silicone type sealer reinstall rubber.