1st Look at the Burley Nomad Trailer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- A big change for my upcoming tour from previous tours is switching from using panniers to a Burley Nomad trailer. I've only had the trailer for a few days. This video is a 1st look and explanation.
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Thanks everyone!!
Plenty of room for spare or two. I dont have a Burley, but I use a trailer and love it. Happy trails!
Thanks!
What trailer are you using?
I had a Burley child trailer when my daughters were very young. Loved it. Towed them behind my road bike. Wish I still had as I’m sure it could be modified to carry camping equipment.
We have 65lb Belgian Malinois that rides behind me and my trike in a Houndabout 2 trailer. Can carry 135lbs. I barely notice it when towing Molly. Soon to get a second dog (Golden Retriever) do that will be interesting.
Looking forward to your trip.
Wow, that’s a lot of dog!
James, would you happen to know if baby trailers attach to these trikes? I’m in the market for a trike but main reason to take my daughter with me around the neighborhood
Trailers are a very individual aspect of trike touring. On my first cross country trike tour in 2009, I pulled a Burley flatbed trailer with a Rubbermaid plastic trunk strapped atop. I was pulling a lot of extra weight between the trailer and trunk, just so that I could load them up with even more weight, to the tune of fifty more pounds, and all this was in addition to my Arkel GT-54 panniers and Arkel Tailrider rear rack trunk. My total rolling weight was roughly 375 pounds, which really slowed me to a crawl going over mountain passes because I am a human powered triker. Backing up or turning around in a narrow area was very challenging also. At the end of that three week adventure, I promptly sold my Burley trailer to a triker gal who wanted it for local shopping ... she was happy to get a deal, and I was happy to be trailer-free!
A couple years later, I toured with a fellow who pulled a Burley Nomad behind his Catrike Road. It was a great trailer, and he loved it. I thought it was a very well designed trailer too. The next time I toured with him, he was also trailer-free, so apparently at some point during the year, he decided to get rid of it and just travel with panniers only.
I figured that if backpackers can hike the Pacific Crest and Appalachian Trails with just a single backpack, then I should be able to discover a way to carry what I needed on the trike, especially considering that my pannier rack could hold far more volume than a backpacker's single backpack. I like puzzles, so I set to work on solving it, and was successful. As with all of us trikers, we try this and that until we ultimately land on what works best for us, all very unique solutions to the very common question of what to bring and how to pack it!
Since you are battery powered, you have a much wider leeway with what you can bring without wearing yourself out totally on long trips. All your batteries and the motor add considerable weight, along with the trailer, and as long as the motor does not give up the ghost on your trip, you'll be fine. If it did, pedaling all that weight with human power would be a nightmare. Taking this USA tour with this new setup will be a perfect proving ground because you'll have quick access to assistance and mail. I look at it this way: We all try different strategies at different times, which in practical reality, is the only way to really learn what works for us. I've spent tons of money on this trike addiction over the years, much of it on solutions that did not pass muster with me in the long run, but hey, I am wiser for it all, and have finally landed on a solution that checks all my boxes. Ahh, if only I had all that money I spent figuring all this out ... I could buy even more goodies for my trike (and add more weight, ugh). 😆
steve
Yes, the only reason I'm using a trailer is the extra weight of the e-assist batteries will put me over the weight limit for my rear rack. The trike I'll be riding is 11 years old and, even though I'm not exceeding the limit by much, I don't want to stress the rack. I'll also be camping and trailers are great for camping. This burley nomad trailer weights 15 lbs. My panniers and rear rack bag weigh 10 lbs - so it's not a huge difference.
@@TravelsByTrike That trike buddy of mine who used the Burley Nomad that one year must have had the long extension that connected to the rear axle like you were showing because his trailer rode VERY low to the ground on the leading edge, and he sometimes would scrape it on the ground. I think that short arm that you are using is valuable, and will avoid this happening.
steve
Thx Sylvia for the preliminary presentation of the Burley Nomad Trailer. I have a FS Ziflex Mono Wheel Trailer, attached to my ICE Sprint FS trike by a 2 armed fork, with each arm hooking snugly on each side of the rear wheel axel. It has a carrying capacity of 35 Kg. The reasons I choose a Mono Wheel trailer for long distance touring are:
1) I already had it on my Koga bicycle, when I shifted to the Trike in 20022, (I have 2 two wheeled Trailers too, both using the same hooking system as your Burley Nomad, and found out that the fork attachment works better, is more stable, with less stress on the rear wheel axel),
2) one wheel has less friction than 2 wheels and actually follows the trikes rear wheel track, which is an advantage in grassy or gravel/sandy paths,
3) Less wind resistance,
Looking forward to your experiences with the Burley Nomad on the road. 🙏
Thanks! Your attachment for one wheel trailer sounds interesting. I like your advantages list.
Looks like your rig is coming together nicely. I’ve had the same trike as you for six years in the FS 26 size. Love it! At the end you mentioned your flags and my approach was to keep adding visual alerts until people would stop saying I was going to get run over😮To the three flags you have right now I would add a twirling Fusilli flag onto the tip of the trailer flag. On the back of the trailer add a universal bright orange triangular sign signifying a slow moving vehicle. Drivers coming from behind are wondering what you are. Let them know you’re slower than a car and the twirling flag will give them some sense of your speed. Just a suggestion for you that works well for me. Best of luck arranging the rest of your gear. You’re gonna have a great ride. God bless!
Good advice - thanks!
Best flags ever seen here are on Row Tator TH-cam videos. Windsock with tiny light internally.
Lights up entire inflated windsock at night!!! HUGELY more visible than ANY flag!!! No comparison!
He makes the windsocks, but they ought to totally replace actual flags based on their true, 3-dimentional visibility!
@@garyseckel295 thanks! I'm going to add a big American flag for safety.
Looks so cool! You'll be happy with it, I've cycled a lot with that trailer and it behaves really well even in rough terrains! I don't have a trike, just a normal bicycle so far, just wanted to let you know about my experiences with the trailer. Good solution with the shorter bar! Can't wait to see you get started in March! Stay healthy! 😊 👍
thanks for the encouragement. Lots of people really don't like trailers.
Happy new year..🥳🥰
Happy new year to you!!🍾🎉🥂
Hi I use my bike trailer a lot for doing my garden jobs collecting garden items 25 or 30kg peat sometimes I do two trips but when cycling you know the weight is behind you. The best thing is to have good gears on your bicycle and to get using all of the types low for the hills and the middle gears on the flat roads. Have you ever put a 30kg bag and then do a road test to see how the bike uses the gears in hilly plus down and flat. Sometimes the weight can slow you up hill this is whare you use your bike gears you find the power of your bike gears work plus good slow release on the brakes to controll your cycling. Hi from Ireland
Thanks, Brendan!
Will follow your quest. Be careful out there!
Well you are traveling quite a bit north of us (Cincinnati) or my wife and I would offer you lodging as well! Good luck on your travels.
That is very generous- many thanks!
When loading the trailer, keep it slightly front heavy and keep the heavy items in the bottom of the trailer.
Re the shorter tow bar:
It doesn't have a kick up bend as it is made for 16-20" wheeled bikes.
The longer one is for 26-29" wheeled bikes.
When ordering the trailer you should have said it's for a 20" wheeled bike and they would have supplied the shorter tow bar instead.
Edit
The shorter tow bar is for the 'Burley Solo' child trailer.
HTH
That was useful and interesting. Ride safely.
Thanks, Norm!
Wow just the weight of 4 batteries is quite a load. What happens if you develop problems with the E-assist system? The trailer makes good sense and it's amazing how well these Burley trailers Track! I love my old home-bulit Burley cargo trailer. Could be a bit of problem on thin roads. Quite a adventure all the best!
The trike rides effortlessly with the Shimano Steps motor turned off. If you know Zach Kaplan, he often does rides with 4 batteries. He will use the motor to zip to the start of a group ride and turn his motor off. He’ll use it again to scoot home.
Sylvia could take the trike to any authorized Shimano service center for the E-assist issues.
Have you considered adding a solar panel to your trailer to help charge your batteries that aren’t in us?
@@frankgladics644 yes and I don't think the weight and complexity will be worth the expense and learning about the wiring.
Awesome 🎉!
Thanks! 😁
Thanks for the tips, esp, the short bar. I've a Nomad on my ICE Trice T and very much like it for the same reason you do" can't tell it's there! I've used a B.O.B. single wheel and prefer the 2 wheel Nomad. 4 batteries.......probably best tho'.
Thanks!
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Thanks!
I’m just concerned for you being out there an older women by herself and no real vehicle if something were to happen like a natural disaster tornado comes through wherever you are or something of that nature. I much prefer you to have your truck and trailer, at least then you can make a fast get away if needed and you would have a roof over your head every night. I support your decision, and you are a brave lady, just be careful and be safe out there when you start this, you’ll be going through all sorts of different parts of the country and you know our country is really crazy full of crazy people, please carry some sort of protection as well like a taser or pepper spray or a good pocket knife. Good luck my friend ❤😃😃😃
I've been touring since 2007 in crazy conditions all over the world. I've learned what to do to be safe.
If I were you I would keep a flag on the trailer too. The more visibility the better it is. Then I would load up that trailer to the max and see how long you can get out of a battery. Good luck, stay safe and have fun.
Thanks, good advice.
How wide are the trailer wheels compared to the front wheels of the trike? It would be nice if the space between wheels was the same so your track was only three wheels instead of five. That would make it easier to dodge debris in the road. I was amazed crossing the country with how much shredded truck tire pieces there were on the shoulder. Your trip will be wonderful, and having those batteries will make all the difference.
The Burley trailer is within the width of the front wheels of the trike. I own just like Sylvia a HPV Scorpion with Burley trailer. So there is no problem with bollards. If the front wheels go through the bollards gap, so will the trailer without hitting the bollards.
thanks! Yes, it seems there are 5 tracks which is pretty normal for trailers. I'll probably put Schwalbe marathon plus with liners in the trailer wheels just like the trike. Goat heads are bad this year.
Great information. Looking back on my first attempt at long distance striking/camping, I wish I had used e-assist. I was carrying 55 pounds of camping gear, and going up a 6-mile long grade of 4% was brutal. At 2.6 mph, it took 3+ hrs. including rest stops. I'm not ever going to attempt something like that again without e-assist. Too much wasted time along with physical strain on the leg muscles. I carry two batteries now. Here are a few questions if you don't mind. How do you like the Rolloff rear end? Better than a derailleur? Is the Burley suspended? Is it quiet? I am using a WIKE trailer kit and it's very rattly on anything less than smooth pavement.
Ideally like like to rig up a solar panel onto my trailer to charge the battery not in use with sunlight. I actually got it to work, but I need a more powerful panel to make it practical. Anyway, I'm getting wordy. Looking forward to your trip. With any luck I'll be cruising with you one day. I still remember when I saw you riding here on the Olympic Mountain Trail in Washing State about 3 years ago. Take care my friend. Keep us up to date.
I really like the Rohloff. My only regret is not getting it sooner. The burley is quiet and doesn’t have suspension. Yes, I know what you mean about being a slow climber.I climb at 2.5mph unassisted. Very long days.
I like your thinking on 4 batteries. I wonder how you will store a trailer and your trike when you stay in motels? Batteries should not be charged cold so that is one thing to keep in mind. We bring ours inside and let them warm up for an hour before charging them. The entire setup looks great. Looking forward to following your trip..
Hotels are such a big budget item, I’ll camping mostly. I think the trike and trailer should fit in the room with me. I hope anyway.
I think JaYoe has 55lbs just in camera equipment 😆 I've been looking at trailers, can't wait for the 10k mile review.
Haha, I wouldn't doubt it - Matt loves his gear. At one point he was carrying over 500 lbs.
Hi thanks for this video I am thinking about getting this trailer also. I was wondering if you had to change your axel on the trike to enable to hook the trailer to your trike. There was a guy who used the burely axel in order to attach his trailer to his bicycle and I was wondering if the trikes had to use a driffernt through axel when using this trailer as well. Good luck on the up coming tour. Go Turtle power.😀😀😀
I have a Rohloff Speedhub and used the quick release skewer which works fine.
Thanks for the info. I am looking a getting one of these from REI. Where did you purchase yours?
Just ordered one. Reason I ordered it is not happy with my Ortilieb 36l Recumbent Panniers, which sit too low for my liking on the suspension rack of my ICE Sprint X Tour.
Good decision! The Burley is a really good trailer. It tracks really well. I think you will be happy with it.
What trike are you using?
I ride an HP Velotechnik fs20 with the Shimano Steps E8000 e-assist and Rohloff Speedhub.
Where did you find a shorter bar for the trailer?
It's on the Burley website.
FWIW: I too would greatly prefer 110V plug-in charging.
Solar panels are relatively huge and are comparatively much more effort.
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Computer issues here.
Did they ever make twin battery harness, or still only solo pack connected?
Does trailer need separate rain cover?
I don’t know what a twin battery harness is. The cover for the trailer is waterproof. I like how bright it is too.
Yes, Solar isn’t so easy especially for a very long tour doing both hotel stays and camping.
@@TravelsByTrike Twin battery packs wired to motor, to lessen physically having to move them.
1 charging hub on nomad 2 Solar to charge batteries 👍
I don’t understand what you mean here.
Most hotels and motel will not let you charge your batterys in side because of fire's check before you get a hotel your better of investing on a 100wah solor panels or a solor generator can charge on the go unless it's too cloudy or raining .
I have never had a hotel say anything about lithium batteries of any kind. There’s nothing on the websites or in the lobby or on the receipt restricting battery charging. They also all know I’m bringing the trike in the room.
OK just letting you know that there just coming out with this information on ebike batterys some will start fires you can see them you tube look up battery fires . It was on the News afew weeks ago . Take care stay safe out there amen
@@williamvan909 Can you post a link to your source for this info? I think lots of people would be interested. thanks!
P.P.S. Here is the video with all three of my trailers > th-cam.com/video/dOgodJFf7Bk/w-d-xo.html
Love it!
Nice trailer. Love that flag! Let me know if you need me to bring you a pool noodle, zip ties and Knog Cobber next week. You’re riding among the yahoos now. You may need to “embiggen” Myrtle to the traffic side
My thanks, my friend!
Have you thought of those light weight flexible solar panels to charge your batteries while you ride? I have pull a trailer before on daily rides with about a 100 lbs in it and really did not notice a huge weight unless you where going up hill!
Thanks! I’m looking at solar but not sure I’ll need it.
When looking for a camping spot do you stay exclusively on public lands or camping areas (like KOA) or is privately owned land an option for you?
I'll be using Adventure Cycling maps as much as possible. They use mostly campgrounds. I'll also be using warm showers website.
I love your set up. I'm looking forward to watching your journey. If you were coming through Wisconsin, I'd offer you lodging. I've been shopping for a second battery for my bosch e-assist. The price has gone up considerably. I wonder if you or your viewers have a suggestion for where to buy one?
Since QBP is the sole wholesaler, they’re going to be the same price anywhere you buy. Hostel is probably closest recumbent shop to you, but any Bosch-certified bike store can get you one. You can wire in a 2nd battery -there’s a Bosch wiring harness for that. There’s an easy cert for it, so any Bosch shop should be able to do it. T-Cycle can supply a dual battery mount with a Bosch-compatible rail.
Thank you!
Have you looked in to getting the Rear rack for the Trailer? you can put some Lights and a sign etc. IT is VERY LITE! maybe a pound
if I remember or something, I had one back in 2005 and I hung a sign with reflective tape and STICKERS! etc on it ..
Yes, I’ve looked at the rack. I don’t think I need it but was thinking the rack might protect the cover a bit too.
@@TravelsByTrike Easiest on/off for a folding lawn chair? I would get the rack first and decide if needed later while cross country riding!
Instead of a 4th battery I would put a 100-120 Watt flexible solar panel ($150)on top with MPPT ($30). Although I am not sure that will work with Shimano batteries? (A reason why I prefer a Bafang or Tongsheng with much cheaper 'softpack' batteries)
A single panel may not give the same extra range as a battery, but it could help you if you really camp wild. You can even put two panels on top of each other and take a long lunch break. With two 106x53cm panels constantly in the bright sun you can do 50 miles a day. But that would require some construction on your trailer.
One thing of solar charging that is not not unimportant! FUN!!! Your trike and trailer will become more a machine. People will love it for a conversation. Solar is COOL.
But hey, you may find a sponsor along the way? See if you can visit a solar shop somewhere. The best panels are those with Sunpower cells. Give them a call. Super easy to install. Panel-wire-MPPT-wire-battery. That's all.
I do see people these days carrying a powerstation. Not sure if that would be useful? Like when you can solar charge a Shimano battery directly, but you can with a powerstation? For me it is too much weight. I don't need anything else than USB ports.
So that is my tip for today. Solar yeah. 100-150 Watt will already help. And maybe the underside is a moonpanel? I have't tried that yet.
The battery only weighs 7.5 lbs. it’s not so much. Unfortunately, I don’t have enough technical know how to do solar. It does sound like fun though.
@@TravelsByTrike And no one 100 Watt panel is not enough to always have a full battery. But it will give you more range. Above all you can travel as a solar powered trike to attract viewers!
Things really get interesting at 300-400 Watt. In the Sun Trip a French guy did 300 km a day just on solar in Spain on a homebuilt (tandem size) trike.
But you don't need that. 100-150 watt is fine for the 'cool' factor and the extra push riding through Death Valley.
What is your second battery mount? T Cycle? I suggested to HP that they make their second mount fold up so you can still fold your trike, but no change so far.
I think it is an HP mount - I got it from Zach Kaplan cycles. I haven't folded my trike since installing the Shimano Steps. The only time I fold the trike is to put it on a plane and I can't travel with the batteries.
My first Burley Nomad had a flat hitch bar and rode just fine. But it got totaled when a car turning through an intersection hit it. My new one had the bent hitch bar. and it was awful. But I purchased a trailer build kit from a company called WIKE, so I converted my Burley to except that tow arm. Works great and rides flat. I do not know why Burley did that. As for the new Nomad trailer, the floor is kind of weak. I have a video of how I fixed that. Plus, get some Clear Flex Steel spray and hose down the sides and bottom, to water proof the whole thing. I also have the Luggage rack, which is a good idea, I moved my flag to the back, and added tail lights and side running lights. Take care and ride safe. P.S. Leave the Flag on the Trailer, so people know your pulling a trailer.
How did you shore up the trailer bottom? I think it’s a good idea. I’ll look for the clear flex steel spray too- thanks for the tips.
@@TravelsByTrike I got the idea from this guy : th-cam.com/video/XEuWHA0LgHc/w-d-xo.html But I cut the wood I used into two parts, so I could use the divider. I used Peg board in front and thin plywood in the back, its what I had on hand. I will make a quick video next week after the arctic blast moves out. The neat thing is, in the front part of the trailer, where is kind of drops down. When you install that wood "Floor" you now have a small trunk space for storing small things. "Its a very neat idea. Hope it helps.
Maybe a thin wooden floor (1/8-3/16-inch-thick actual aircraft plywood at large craft stores), a luggage rack that can hold a lawn chair and also serve as a table with a thin surface.
When camping, both table and lawn chair always there, if not available at a busy camp site. Corrugated plastic, like a yard sign, available at large hardware stores just like larger "model airplane plywood" sheets. As a craftsman, I would make an original "swing over" luggage rack that when used as a table is not actually over the trailer. Attached to, but next to the trailer. Perfect for cooking, coffee/hot chocolate making, eating, typing, drone readying, etc.
@@garyseckel295 For the back part of the trailer floor, behind the divider, I used pegboard, reinforced with 1x2's. for the front part, in front of the divider, I had a pieces of 14 inch thick plywood I cut to fit. Painted both. Taped the edge's so the wood would not chaff the nylon and it is working just fine. I don't think thinner play wood would hold up to the type's of loads I carry.
@@garyseckel295 I found a piece of white board to use as a floor in the trailer. I've ordered the cargo rack Burley makes only because there isn't a way to strap anything to the top of the trailer.
Does your bike have rear suspension?
yes, the HP Velotechnik Scorpion fs20 has suspension on all 3 wheels. the trike has a very smooth and quiet ride.
I have a Ice Adventure ,and Ice states I can’t pull a trailer with rear suspension. I was bummed out as I found that out after my purchase.
@@conniehoyle2669 yes, that is too bad. ICE has a different suspension system than HP Velotechnik. My Scorpion really is designed for touring.
I from costa rica i made my own trike bueno i need serial pedal my lef side stroks3
Congrats on your trike!
@@TravelsByTrike silvia hello i hurts 3 stroks i need y puro help serial pedaleando in costa rica no trikes
Silvia please
@@TravelsByTrike i need 2 pedal stroks my lef side
Too bad you couldn't get your trailer setup with a solar panel to charge your batteries as you pedal along. Ed Miller did a couple of his Trike Canopys with solar panels for his customers that charged their equipment.
I think Ed has given up on Tricking since loosing a very good friend to an idiot motorist.
I miss Ed's TH-cam with his side kick Paul.
Be safe out there and enjoy your rides and the beautiful lands.
The Nomad is not really big enough to support enough solar panels to do the job. Plus if your using 12 volt panels you'd need a times 4 step up charge controller to charge your 48 Volt batteries. I have the Nomad and I also have a two wheeled E recumbent. So its just not practical.
@@longrider42 You can use a 100 Watt 18 volt panel and cheap MPPT and it will charge a 10Ah battery just fine in a day. May not seem much. But it will get you up that hill the next morning. You can see it as an emergency charger just in case.
For my upcoming tour, electricity should be readily available. I think the solar platform, wires, controller and adapter add unnecessary complexity. I would need to learn a lot about how the wiring works. Solar is cool and fun but maybe not so practical?
@@TravelsByTrike It weighs less than a battery. Do me a favor. Visit someone or ship and have them show you how to connect an MPPT. So simple. I feel naked without solar. I love watching the amps go in while I eat my sandwich. The longer I stop, the faster I can go. Isn't it amazing? Power from the Sun. Starpower. Actually they are star panels!