Cheers for the video, I was contemplating this Evan but now I think I will opt for the diesel variant instead, as you have confirmed what I was thinking. Thanks again.
Hey! Someone actually drove a van further than the pub to do a review - thank you. Even with road noise, more useful than the Fully Charged crew telling me "it's like car" 'cos they drove it round the block empty! Rant over - thank you
Got to say some of what you say I agree with, some I don’t but everyone is different. My e-expert is the Asphalt model. 39,000 miles in 12 months. Here are some views about the van from another high mileage van owner. Drivability - brilliant. Turning circle not really noticed it to be honest. Rear camera - worth having as the 180 view is great for reversing out of charging bays. Blind spot indicators - a must for me. Saved me several times. Charging speeds are consistently fast and max out but drop as you say after about 60%. GOM - hopeless, what ever it says you have left add 16 miles to it at least. I’ve tried running down to 1% and it had 3 miles left for ages. Range for me is fine. I can only do about 2 hours before I need to stop and that’s about the range of the battery. Don’t think I’ve ever been so relaxed with the “forced” stops. Battery percentage - use the app or the “fuel gauge”. If you use the ABRP app with an OBD it gives you the percentage. Efficiency in a headwind - think of a number and halve it!!!! Can go as low as 1.9 mi/kWh! Lorries and coaches become your friend. Didn’t come with heated seats but bought 2 heated seat pads and they work a treat. I put a coat around my legs (like a blanket) and you can turn the heating off or use ECO mode comfortably. ECO Mode - the heater doesn’t heat but the air con does cool. It doesn’t make a huge deal of difference in range. About 8 miles on a full battery range! Don’t use ECO mode that often. Should have spec’d the 11kw onboard charger to get the most from site chargers. Not noticed the battery capacity but now have car scanner so I’ll be looking at that. Might post an update. (The update is checked Car Scanner app and at 100% it was quoting 59% which is comparable to what you were saying. However, my home charger gives me power consumed per charge and I had a charge session starting at 7% battery which consumed 62.6 kWh to 100%. That works out as 67kWh battery capacity!) Battery degradation currently stating 7.3% after 39,000 miles. (75kWh-7.3% = 68kwh or 68kwh - 7.3% = 63kwh.) Winter efficiency around the 2.5 - 2.7 mi/kWh covering November to January. Summer was 2.8 - 2.9 kWh. Think I might run the van until it dies if the depreciation is as bad as you say. I know the latest version of the Stellantis van has improved but the Buzz looks very tempting. It will have to be a really good van as I absolutely love the Expert. Looking forward to see what your comparison is like. Went to a dealer today and they’re quoting 5 months delivery at the minute. (Late Jan 2023)
I have a similar Fiat e-Ulysse and made the same experience in general. In my stupid software version, I cannot set the charge limit to 80%. Did you find a solution to that? And regarding the heating on Eco mode: It draws 2kW, without any heating effect. What is going on?
hi pal is car scanner the only thing youve tested your battery with? i know video is 1 year old and you might not remeber but it got me thinking and ive done my own investigation to this on my van, i own same citroen e dispatch 75kw xl pro (huge thing) since mid 2022 done 67k on it and the only way i could test battery is check on my electric bill. im with octopus and they do meeter reading every 30 min a so ive made sure van is realy low on charge to the point where you have turle on dash (bdw you can check bettery procentage even when youre driving on my citroen app and can also set preconditioning and delayed chargind to your likinking) my van was showing 3-4% when connected to charger ive set my charging to start at 20.30 and acording to very detailed exel document ive downloaded of my octopus account charge stopped at 5.30 thats 19 x 3.5kw = 66.5kw with starting charge on 3-4% so after 67k ive lost less than 2% of battery or non at all let me give every electric van owner a great advice how to look after your battery if youre fully charged do it only when you realy need it to be fully charged otherwhise is best to keep your battery at lower precentage a spessialy if you know that your car/van wont be used much like over weekend keep it between 20-50% expers call it not stressing battery and when battery is full it can expand a bit so its stresed and only situations you may want it full is when yure about to drive within few hours of charging end hope it help anyone that was bothered to read all of that if anyone is intresred i can do 130miles on mine in sumer on motorway 70-75mph, may be able to squize another 5 out of it but you risking running out and you really dont want that to happen as it did happen to me, after 4-5 hours of waiting for spesial mobile charging recovery guy (£250 at the time) battery didnt want to charge as ive run it till it totaly died , whats happening then is very very slow charge to rebalance all modules in battery to same voltage and then normal charge speed starts after like 20-25 minutes on dc charger or over 1h on 7kw charger Dont make the same mistake i did take care everyone
Great review and made me feel I’ve done the right thing ordering the buzz have thought about a second hand stelantis with 75kw but the buzz just looks the part . Can’t believe they don’t have heated seats essential in an EV cheaper and more efficient than using the heater 3m/kWh is the min you want from a van with 200 mile range
Just picked up a loaded brand new preregistered Vauxhall one of these with the long wheelbase for £20k inc vat (seems vauxhall have to shift these before the new year) mine seems to have the full 68kwh battery available. Seems to do 170miles at 64mph (or rather it did when I drove it 130 miles home). Mine has the heated seat, but it's a CRAZY rare option, only on mine because I think it was their showroom van. It's actually brilliant, crazy hot 😅
this is a pretty good price man. i am looking to buy one but prices are around 33k€ full price. if i count for tax break and subsidy i am at 24k for 2023 one with 15 miles on it.
I'm looking at one of these as they are priced between £18-20k on auto trader and I can get an interest free load over six years, I'd be doing my own basic light weight day camper conversion, and it would be my knockabout van for Scotland and the Munro's where I live, the range doesn't fuss me much as I've driven a classic nissan Leaf 24kwh for five years and done the nc500 in it. Do you have any advice?
Thank you for this review. A proper real world review. I have this van arriving today. I do between 30-75 miles a day. You mentioned you are cold in the van. Is the heater useless in your van.
Here in Florida USA where something like this might be coming here through Ram next year.. problem is 150 miles is risky given our lack of infrastructure. We have roads in the middle of the state where you might not find a working and available charger for 200 miles. For us, I think until they get 300 miles, wireless charging, no proprietary payment apps and plenty of chargers on major roads I think it makes no sense.
@@epigenetics9798 as long as the climate control can be left on for a long periods that should be enough. Some vehicles have drivers seat sensors that will turn everything off once you jump out.
Yes I can relate to much of what you are saying here , the Citroen was very good. Perhaps it’s was just my van that had the capacity issue , the trouble is what do you do about it? Take it to your local dealer ?! I mean this is the same dealer that tried to charge me the diesel price for a first service.! If I start talking about battery capacity there is literally no chance of getting anywhere 😂 It’s a lovely van to drive. I have now done about 1500 miles in the buzz and it’s just a little bit better at everything.., which equates to a big difference in the end , and when you consider the price is about the same , it’s a no brainer for me .., the stellantis vans are great but over priced.
I am really interested in your view on the ID Buzz (efficiency, real world driving range and speeds) because we are doing similar mileages etc. As for servicing I don’t go to a dealer as they too thought they were servicing a diesel given the price🤣. I use Cleevely EV Mobile Servicing (James & Kate channel) for the van and the wife’s car and it is effortless and very good service. Done on your drive, about 2-4 hours depending on the service, warranty not affected and you don’t have to go anywhere, leave it, get picked up and dropped off etc.
Yes it was actually his video on the E Dispatch which finally made up my mind to get one ! He does some really good videos eh. I will be posting a 1500 (or might actually be quite a lot more !) mile review soon where I am going to look at pros and cons. Honestly, im struggling with cons , it’s flipping fantastic
@@coop69coop same here. When he said “ if you’re doing 1000 miles a week which most people aren’t you can use one of these.” That was the decider for me, given how many miles he does in an NV 200 Looking forward to the videos. Will be interested to know with the VW Buzz how the charging times compare. I am guessing about half the time may be a bit less ?
I bought this last year and was disappointed. Feels light and cheap after a Ford Transit Custom Diesel. Only drive in Economy mode and get 170 miles on full charge costing around £45. Ride height is poor and low down. Plastic dashboard is crappy. Information screens are not good and not user friendly with poor radio system. Handling is woolly and pathetic. I’m going to get rid of now. Stellantis after sales service is very bad. Going back to Ford transit.
In the US here and anticipating a van like this showing up from Ram Stallantis next year. Hopefully they will break into 250mi range and faster charging by then. What service have you had to do on the van?
Cheers for the video, I was contemplating this Evan but now I think I will opt for the diesel variant instead, as you have confirmed what I was thinking. Thanks again.
Hey! Someone actually drove a van further than the pub to do a review - thank you. Even with road noise, more useful than the Fully Charged crew telling me "it's like car" 'cos they drove it round the block empty! Rant over - thank you
Got to say some of what you say I agree with, some I don’t but everyone is different. My e-expert is the Asphalt model. 39,000 miles in 12 months.
Here are some views about the van from another high mileage van owner.
Drivability - brilliant.
Turning circle not really noticed it to be honest.
Rear camera - worth having as the 180 view is great for reversing out of charging bays.
Blind spot indicators - a must for me. Saved me several times.
Charging speeds are consistently fast and max out but drop as you say after about 60%.
GOM - hopeless, what ever it says you have left add 16 miles to it at least. I’ve tried running down to 1% and it had 3 miles left for ages.
Range for me is fine. I can only do about 2 hours before I need to stop and that’s about the range of the battery. Don’t think I’ve ever been so relaxed with the “forced” stops.
Battery percentage - use the app or the “fuel gauge”. If you use the ABRP app with an OBD it gives you the percentage.
Efficiency in a headwind - think of a number and halve it!!!! Can go as low as 1.9 mi/kWh! Lorries and coaches become your friend.
Didn’t come with heated seats but bought 2 heated seat pads and they work a treat. I put a coat around my legs (like a blanket) and you can turn the heating off or use ECO mode comfortably.
ECO Mode - the heater doesn’t heat but the air con does cool. It doesn’t make a huge deal of difference in range. About 8 miles on a full battery range! Don’t use ECO mode that often.
Should have spec’d the 11kw onboard charger to get the most from site chargers.
Not noticed the battery capacity but now have car scanner so I’ll be looking at that. Might post an update.
(The update is checked Car Scanner app and at 100% it was quoting 59% which is comparable to what you were saying. However, my home charger gives me power consumed per charge and I had a charge session starting at 7% battery which consumed 62.6 kWh to 100%. That works out as 67kWh battery capacity!)
Battery degradation currently stating 7.3% after 39,000 miles. (75kWh-7.3% = 68kwh or 68kwh - 7.3% = 63kwh.)
Winter efficiency around the 2.5 - 2.7 mi/kWh covering November to January.
Summer was 2.8 - 2.9 kWh.
Think I might run the van until it dies if the depreciation is as bad as you say. I know the latest version of the Stellantis van has improved but the Buzz looks very tempting.
It will have to be a really good van as I absolutely love the Expert.
Looking forward to see what your comparison is like.
Went to a dealer today and they’re quoting 5 months delivery at the minute. (Late Jan 2023)
I have a similar Fiat e-Ulysse and made the same experience in general. In my stupid software version, I cannot set the charge limit to 80%. Did you find a solution to that? And regarding the heating on Eco mode: It draws 2kW, without any heating effect. What is going on?
Great video. Food for thought.
hi pal is car scanner the only thing youve tested your battery with?
i know video is 1 year old and you might not remeber but it got me thinking and ive done my own investigation to this on my van,
i own same citroen e dispatch 75kw xl pro (huge thing) since mid 2022 done 67k on it and the only way i could test battery is check on my electric bill.
im with octopus and they do meeter reading every 30 min a so ive made sure van is realy low on charge to the point where you have turle on dash (bdw you can check bettery procentage even when youre driving on my citroen app and can also set preconditioning and delayed chargind to your likinking)
my van was showing 3-4% when connected to charger ive set my charging to start at 20.30 and acording to very detailed exel document ive downloaded of my octopus account charge stopped at 5.30 thats 19 x 3.5kw = 66.5kw with starting charge on 3-4%
so after 67k ive lost less than 2% of battery or non at all
let me give every electric van owner a great advice how to look after your battery
if youre fully charged do it only when you realy need it to be fully charged otherwhise is best to keep your battery at lower precentage a spessialy if you know that your car/van wont be used much like over weekend keep it between 20-50% expers call it not stressing battery and when battery is full it can expand a bit so its stresed and only situations you may want it full is when yure about to drive within few hours of charging end
hope it help anyone that was bothered to read all of that
if anyone is intresred i can do 130miles on mine in sumer on motorway 70-75mph, may be able to squize another 5 out of it but you risking running out and you really dont want that to happen as it did happen to me, after 4-5 hours of waiting for spesial mobile charging recovery guy (£250 at the time) battery didnt want to charge as ive run it till it totaly died , whats happening then is very very slow charge to rebalance all modules in battery to same voltage and then normal charge speed starts after like 20-25 minutes on dc charger or over 1h on 7kw charger Dont make the same mistake i did
take care everyone
Great review and made me feel I’ve done the right thing ordering the buzz have thought about a second hand stelantis with 75kw but the buzz just looks the part . Can’t believe they don’t have heated seats essential in an EV cheaper and more efficient than using the heater 3m/kWh is the min you want from a van with 200 mile range
You have definitely done the right thing , this van is just a little bit better in every single way , and a lot better on range
What about the middle seat obstructed leg space by the drive selector. Poorly placed to fill the old gear shift
Just picked up a loaded brand new preregistered Vauxhall one of these with the long wheelbase for £20k inc vat (seems vauxhall have to shift these before the new year) mine seems to have the full 68kwh battery available. Seems to do 170miles at 64mph (or rather it did when I drove it 130 miles home). Mine has the heated seat, but it's a CRAZY rare option, only on mine because I think it was their showroom van. It's actually brilliant, crazy hot 😅
this is a pretty good price man. i am looking to buy one but prices are around 33k€ full price. if i count for tax break and subsidy i am at 24k for 2023 one with 15 miles on it.
Exactly how much depreciation are we talking here.....?
I'm looking at one of these as they are priced between £18-20k on auto trader and I can get an interest free load over six years, I'd be doing my own basic light weight day camper conversion, and it would be my knockabout van for Scotland and the Munro's where I live, the range doesn't fuss me much as I've driven a classic nissan Leaf 24kwh for five years and done the nc500 in it. Do you have any advice?
The LWB Buzz GTX looks the business.
Thank you for this review. A proper real world review. I have this van arriving today. I do between 30-75 miles a day. You mentioned you are cold in the van. Is the heater useless in your van.
What is it cost on a full charge? Public charge points
And how often did you charge in a week?
Here in Florida USA where something like this might be coming here through Ram next year.. problem is 150 miles is risky given our lack of infrastructure. We have roads in the middle of the state where you might not find a working and available charger for 200 miles. For us, I think until they get 300 miles, wireless charging, no proprietary payment apps and plenty of chargers on major roads I think it makes no sense.
Where is the opd port please
Ill be picking a used one up soon. Can you keep the heating/climate on for long periods as im going to convert one to a camper.
You probably want a fuel heater for that
@@epigenetics9798 as long as the climate control can be left on for a long periods that should be enough. Some vehicles have drivers seat sensors that will turn everything off once you jump out.
How many lines of powder did you do before this video?
What's your point?
Yes I can relate to much of what you are saying here , the Citroen was very good. Perhaps it’s was just my van that had the capacity issue , the trouble is what do you do about it? Take it to your local dealer ?! I mean this is the same dealer that tried to charge me the diesel price for a first service.! If I start talking about battery capacity there is literally no chance of getting anywhere 😂
It’s a lovely van to drive. I have now done about 1500 miles in the buzz and it’s just a little bit better at everything.., which equates to a big difference in the end , and when you consider the price is about the same , it’s a no brainer for me .., the stellantis vans are great but over priced.
I am really interested in your view on the ID Buzz (efficiency, real world driving range and speeds) because we are doing similar mileages etc.
As for servicing I don’t go to a dealer as they too thought they were servicing a diesel given the price🤣. I use Cleevely EV Mobile Servicing (James & Kate channel) for the van and the wife’s car and it is effortless and very good service.
Done on your drive, about 2-4 hours depending on the service, warranty not affected and you don’t have to go anywhere, leave it, get picked up and dropped off etc.
Yes it was actually his video on the E Dispatch which finally made up my mind to get one ! He does some really good videos eh. I will be posting a 1500 (or might actually be quite a lot more !) mile review soon where I am going to look at pros and cons. Honestly, im struggling with cons , it’s flipping fantastic
@@coop69coop same here. When he said “ if you’re doing 1000 miles a week which most people aren’t you can use one of these.”
That was the decider for me, given how many miles he does in an NV 200
Looking forward to the videos. Will be interested to know with the VW Buzz how the charging times compare. I am guessing about half the time may be a bit less ?
I bought this last year and was disappointed. Feels light and cheap after a Ford Transit Custom Diesel. Only drive in Economy mode and get 170 miles on full charge costing around £45. Ride height is poor and low down. Plastic dashboard is crappy. Information screens are not good and not user friendly with poor radio system. Handling is woolly and pathetic. I’m going to get rid of now. Stellantis after sales service is very bad. Going back to Ford transit.
In the US here and anticipating a van like this showing up from Ram Stallantis next year. Hopefully they will break into 250mi range and faster charging by then. What service have you had to do on the van?