This Is Why I HATE 1-1 Roach Players... | Is It IMBA Or Do I Suck
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- Ahh... My old nemesis... 1-1 Roach players - the mechs of the swarm. Don't have much to say about them. Just hat'em. For real.
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As a former phone scammer I can confess I played 1/1 roach. Now as a reformed person I still steal from grannies but at least I haven't built a roach army in months.
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This is like a dude playing rock paper scissors against someone who always throws rock. This dude throws scissors every time and then complains online that rock is OP
I actually think the terran had a feeling that only roaches would come out. So he started throwing only rocks. But instead of changing his hand zerg kept scissors out every time.
I nean he's not wrong. Rock counters everything.
@@Santisima_Trinidad you obviously never played PAPER
@@phelanwolf6747 There was an episode of PiG of salty mines where this guy complayins about rock being imbalanced. I think he was referring to it
Good ol' rock. Nothing beats that.
I feel it's important to note that the terran never researched concussive shells. It's not the most important upgrade to be fair, but it does gain you free kills on retreating units, and in an almost pure marauder army there is no reason not to get it.
it's 50/50 resources though! Kappa
It also protects the army in case of incoming banelings but there weren't any so it was fine not to get it but barcode could not have known.
yeah it's not like he was short on tech labs to research it lmaoo
Given how marauder centric his composition was I'd say it actually was the most important upgrade, with the exception of stim. At a cost of 50/50 and with 9 tech labs to choose from it was a huge oversight.
@@jiayojames i was speaking generally, its an upgrade you often only gain slight value from, but yes, it could have gained a lot of value in this match, hence it being an important note.
"Every branch of the decision tree lead to victory, but he managed to jump out of the tree head-first" 😂😂😂 the ROAST!!
nah it's a roachst
10 sec into video i hear "omg this unit that are meant to hard counter armored unit is trading so well with my tier 1 armored unit."
This one will be a fun ride.
Tayter snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
"He has no religion. He doesn't believe in anything."
Pretty sure he believes in the power of friendship between Marauders. And maybe a thing called love.
Do you believe a man who has not researched Concussive Shells has researched love?
WE GET CUT SCENES NOW?!?!
Swapped to only playing 1 1 roaches after this video.
Based
Of course harstem would refer to his significant other as "buddy" 2:35
It's the barcode calling its SO buddy.
Top notch editing from Hamster 👌
As a person who traded 10 grand for an eaten lollipop, I can confirm that it is indeed a bad trade.
Maybe if it is eaten by Leonardo DiCaprio it could be a really good trade right?
The best part is that the Terran made 57 thousand Marauders and didn't even bother to research Concussive Shells. This isn't even the final form of Marauder IMBA.
Yeah, I was wondering about that as well ^^
He was floating on 4k more resources than his opponent at the 7:50 mark. Those 3k resources could have been an army or whatever else. He didn't lose the game to an opponent. He lost the game to himself. He shot himself and died then blamed his opponent for not dying first.
I think his complaint is closer to "Brains are OP, as a being without a functional brain there isn't much I can do if my opponent is a human being."
terran has just been watching GGG play through the marauders campaign
Getting ready for Jerkface
I also thought that he was inspired by the Marauders Campaign
Missed roach, i mean roast opportunity at 6:26 when Tayter super supply blocked himself by suicide scouting an overlord while already supply blocked
I'm a 1-1 roach player and slowly came to that same realization. Now I'm transitioning to Terran.
Underrated comment.
to Terran mech?.. ))
@@contemplate1789what else he can do?
@@contemplate1789 Bio actually! But I'm starting to think I'm too bad to play bio, so maybe I'll try mech. But I'll probably hate myself too much and stop playing and wait for stormgate.
Patch terran
Maybe I'm wrong, but if Tayter drew an overlord, a drone and a roach, killed by a marauder, maybe he didn't understand many things about this game
Marauder attacking an Overlord:
"KABOOM, BABY!"
I believe he drew drone, ravager and roach (from left to right) being killed.
I think that's more of an metaphor.
Before I watch any further than the complaint I feel like I’m qualified to say the “kryptonite” to marauder and tanks is most certainly anything that exists anywhere up
I’m not a genius but even 1 muta will eventually kill that army with 100% of its HP
The guy is complaining about marauders, but he should have mentioned that there was almost *one medivac per marauder* ! And nothing to take those medivacs down.
It's like when WoW players complain about the warriors in PvP and they never try to bother the priests who are constantly healing them while petting cats and eating sandwiches in a couch, you know.
"The Marauder trades unbelievably well against roaches"
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Hi Harstem. I really enjoy watching your video. You motivate me to play sc2 again. Also you have great English pronunciation and nice speech. I am learning not only sc2 but English language while watching your videos and streams. Thank you.
That's very cool bro, keep it up :)
He also speaks it very naturally using the right expressions and appropriate slang. You can learn a lot from someone like him.
Wholesome.
I've played like 20 games of Starcraft in my life, all of them 10+ years ago. When I read the complaint form I thought: he failed to transition. I'm also having a hard time believing he truly thought this wasn't his fault, if even I know from only his letter.
I mean he was maxing roaches and since tanks with marauders are their counters... It's pretty obvious he would gonna loose
I, too, have only played like 20 games 10 years ago and immediately guessed that he failed to transition.
I have never played pvp but I have played coop and if you choose the wrong comp or don't transition depending on how the AI comes at you, the same thing will happen 😂 the AI will stomp you cuz yeah mass roach gonna loose the marauder seige lol and coop units or beefy God's compared to pvp
the Marauder is very effective against Roach based armies, especially when paired with Medivacs -liquidwiki. That zerg build looks like the first time i play zerg against AI.
The Terran didn’t make concusive shells
The vehicle plating is for the Medivac duh!
Man, Kevin sounded so frustrated at the end of the video. 😢 don't stress cap, the content is still super entertaining to watch
11:40 once again, not just A moving with ravager bile micro wastes an entire army. Then the micro stops completely when the army is half dead. Sometimes people are too clever for their own good.
4:42 "separates the cream from the crop" is a wonderful malaphor
Love the honest edit from hamster about diamond level barcodes! I'm a barcode and i do it because I'm practicing 1 build that isnt even a cheese but i still dont want people to know exactly what build i do every game.
Tayter obviously never played protoss and therefore nevef knew just how goddamn strong a marauder is vs anything armored.
I just think Tayter is an US American
@@phelanwolf6747 I think tayter is an united states born US citizen american.
you know i noticed that since the Terran had so many marauders, the hydras were actually tanking more hits than the roaches. So if he just made full hydra, not only would his army do way more damage and have more range, he would be tankier too. crazy.
make full hydra
get lurker den
morph some into lurkers
???
profit
It's always frustrating watching zerg players be one tech ponies. The race where the constant tech/comp switch is the greatest asset for the faction, but they only build one thing. Reminds me of that zergling only replay where the guy repeatedly sends lings against blue flame hellbats for an hour.
Never in my life have I made so many roaches, in what 6-7 years of playin the game, gettin into masters 2 with mainly ling/bane it blows my mind to see someone so adamant on makin roaches, is like Kylo Ren screamin "more" but holding the roach hotkey :D this is fantastic and very interesting to see
Roach/ravager pushes, or even pure roach, can be very strong if you hit it with a timing and your opponent doesn't expect it. But when your opponent is already massing the direct counter to roaches, continuing to make them is just dumb. It would be like massing zerglings vs. blue flame hellions/hellbats or colussus.
Zerg is all about adaptation; being able to instantly swap all your production based on your opponent. Unless you are stuck in gold league or below the whole "just spam one unit with macro" strategy is suicide as the other two races do it better.
@@hunteriv4869 yes
@@hunteriv4869 As a diamond zerg myself, sometimes you do run into a trap where you realize you need to transition out of Roach - but the tech for your next unit isn't ready yet, so the only other unit you have unlocked is Zerglings. And if you don't have +Melee attack, and don't have enough hatcheries to spend your money on Zerglings, that's even worse. So you build Roaches and Ravagers anyway because it's all you've got, and then all the gas you are spending on Ravagers makes it even harder to get your next tech ready, and then you just bleed out.
Of course, the correct response is to set up the transition in advance, because you know it's going to be needed eventually. But sometimes lower level players are just a bit too slow on that.
@@Kerostasis complainer was also diamond, your level of skill buddy, don't try to talk down on him xd
@@Dj0enderman3000 You have misunderstood me. I was commiserating, not talking down. That's why I clarified I'm at the same level he is.
that push at 8:30 would have been successful if he morphed two more ravagers to instantly kill the tank and kited the roaches forward to make more of them fight
Or if he built lurkers, or mutas, or infestor, or wiper, or banelings...
Or if he juist ran into the terran and a-moved, instead of letting most of his army run around not attacking
Didn't need to do anything fancy other than walk his roaches right up to the terran army...
yeah feel like the biggest fail there was sending the roaches to kill the workers instead of the marauders. When you go for the kill you dont let workers soak hits for the enemy army
Not even that, he just needed to stutter step his army on top of the terran army instead of letting the terran fight like 6 roaches at a time while the others are busy attacking the command center
Fantastic editing! Nice work Hamster
Thanks mate ^^
I was feeling salty one day and asked my 3k MMR barcode Terran opponent if he was hiding his builds from Maru. He wasn't amused and proceeded to destroy me 😞 . What a game Sc2 is Haha
its actually bothering me that the terran didn't even get concussive shells
man building roaches loses to a unit that is designed to kill things like roaches then cries IMBA
The majority of lower level barcode players are people who cheese every game. They have a barcode because they are worried people will remember their name. It's a double edged sword of course because if you encounter a barcode in diamond then you basically know that there is very likely a cheese coming, whereas you probably wouldn't remember the name and strategy of some random opponent who cheesed last time you matched together.
OMG production value just exploded through the roof! I absolutely died laughing at 2:25 omg so so good
I saw title and was all like "I like to play 1 1 Roach, what's someone complaining about?" and now at 0:52 I'm predicting that he kicks the turtle. It's like Pig says "Don't kick the turtle! Just take the map".
Well, 8:00 got interesting for me...
Ok, final post about. I'm a platty boy, I know it's nothing to brag about but it might help for context. I'm a full league behind this guy and I'm yelling at him to bile that CC to burning and then F off! Take another hatch, make some drones, make some tech, whatever. A terran who's trapped on 2 bases is going to starve, just leave him in there and don't let him have a 3rd.
9:15 Ok this trade did felt IMBA, whats up with that?
Edit: On the replay not the video
Are you talking about the part where he ran 5 lings and a queen into hellbats and marauders? Or the part a minute later when 70% of his roaches were still attacking the rocks when he was getting attacked?
@@hunteriv4869 Yes, when he gets into the natural with all those roaches against 6 Marauders. What was the issue there? is it counter or unit distribution?
@@sefatsilverlake3816 the fact that he micro'd horribly. So many of them were outright not attacking due to move command and when attacking, they weren't actually micro'd to fight the army.
He could've just stutter stepped or have everyone right click target units one at a time and the roaches would've won.
@@HellecticMojo Makes sense, thanks
1:34 As someone who doesn't play starcraft, I'm guessing that since neither marauder not tank can shoot upwards, the comp does in fact have a kryptonite, and that kryptonite is any flying unit?
Your logic is good here but sadly it doesn't translate that well into the game. Zerg flyer unit 'mutalisk' have very very low dps and very fragile, and spire takes way too long to build. Muta is mostly used to harass terran's workers to force him to retreat his army and in this case he already killed most of terran's workers. In most cases muta would be a wrong call here. He only needed to make anything else than roaches or just finish the game when he had 42 of them.
when I say most cases, I talk about a standart game played by two reasonable players. In this game even mutas could have worked.
@@ddenozor having at least some mutas or even going up to broods would at least force some kind of change to the composition, giving roaches a bit more of a fighting chance (or yk just build anything else but whatever)
The editing in your videos have been awesome! Been absolutely killing it :)
I do remember a similar game, where I managed to push into my (Terran) opponent's natural and wipe it out with Roach/Ravager. So they were stuck on one base, and I pushed up the ramp to their main and my army died to just one tank and a few marines. In the end I died to stimmed marines, failing to transition to anything that kills bio effectively. My immediate thought was "damn, stimmed bio is cruel and looks op", but I surely could have won this if I had transitioned and macro'd better behind my push and build an army that could have beaten what my opponent threw at me in the end.
The editing in the first two minutes is top notch lol. Good job Ham
Harstem: oh here comes the drop
music: starts
the head plastered on the stock footage was great editing decision
"the best lategame army" is gonna be 3/3 roaches for him, so actually the zerg is all in
He didn't even have to tech up, could have just threw down 2 macro hatches and got some extra lings to flank the Terran from behind when he went in. Tank marauder trade very badly against lings. The lings with +2 armor upgrades would have been an easy win (especially because your eco makes re-max with the macro hatch effortless)
lings with +0 attack would take ages to eat marauders especially with medivacs. They would, however, probably draw a lot of fire out of hydra or even roaches which would help a lot.
I also did like the trickle flanking when he could have just won the fight if he fought the army. The repeated layered concaves of units not able to get in range to attack were a little frustrating to watch.
Brilliant video with some of the best editing yet - I tip my hat to you, Mr/Ms Editor!
I've been bingewatching this serie more than any recent Netflix series. Keep it up Harstem, you're my favorite stroopwafel!
That pretty much look like a lurkers challenge versus a marauder challenge. The whole SC game reduced to a single shifumi pass.
that drawing is the best
well done, sir :D
regardless, i guess the barcode just made a fool out of him by just building the counter to what hes doing because he didnt realize that the strategy is completely useless. so he just kept going marauders because why the hell not
Hamster had me rolling on the floor within the first 3 minutes with that editing.
17:20 that was the best analogy Harstem has ever dropped
"Marauders are too efficient against Roaches!"
...Yeah. They are how Terran doesn't die to Roaches. Perhaps the Zerg player thinks that Marauders shouldn't exist so that an early-game 1/1 Roach push is a guaranteed win against anything but mass Banshee?
My favorite was not morphing in enough Ravagers and not making good enough use of Bile so that the tanks just kept shelling away at the Roaches and Hydras.
Watching this game has inspired me to play 1 - 1 roach
7:21 at the main there's dancing people at a party right off the base. Never noticed that.
that edit of unfaithful bar code player was on point, well done sir!
Roaches are common in bronze to gm videos because they require less control than ling-bane. That's why people use it until they realize how bad this composition is against terran.
Editing getting better ever video, bravo
this is one of the rare games i think if the zerg went pure lings and absolutely nothing else comp wise , he would had won this hands down and would had been on his next match at 10 minutes.
Lower ranks feel the urge to play barcode if theyve been at the same rank for a while.
With how the games been doing youll play against the same people often enough to get a feeling for how they play, sometimes. Especially if they do the same thing every time
the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.
I like how Hamster edited Harstem at 2:36 but he could have just used a real video of him playing the game?
But then the audio wouldn't have synced up with the lips :)
As a ling/bane Zerg player who tried out 1/1 roach back when I started, I completely agree with Harstem, why did you pick zerg if you were going to spam an army of slow tanky ranged units while sitting on 3 bases?
Hydra/Roach is actually even worse in my opinion, just play Marine/Marauder so you don't have to micro your queens as if they were Medivacs.
The funny thing is that the format is built on exactly these kinds of replays getting sent. Somebody like me would just come to the realization that they do indeed just "suck" without having to ask. On the other hand, it still often results in interesting games getting sent. Just not today.
Though at least we learnt that Hydras actually don't have enough range to fight properly from behind Roaches against Marauders. A pointless detail perhaps, considering that you don't want that composition anyway, but it was still interesting to see how (mostly) just A-moving against a Terran with this type of composition just doesn't work properly.
Roach hydra is ok vs p or z, not so much vs terran
Hamster is a diamond barcode, confirmed.
I might transition into one to be fair. Been really enjoying that 1-1-1 proxy Thor push in TvP from GSL lately ^^
Very cool video capt'n, keep em coming
Seems like he read the book of Starcraft2, read "More Stuff beats less Stuff" and just shut the book right then. Then complains about how his army get's hardcountered, as if there weren't any armor types.
The stock video editing in the beginning had me rolling
2:30 this is gold, Jerry! Gold!!
I like playing rank roulette from the imbalance report form, but I guessed low plat this time...
just started playing, I have like 400 games and it feels like I lose these types of games often.
As a roach/Hydra player, his mistake here was that he did not went into broodlords when he saw that much maraudeurs (plus his engages were shit)
I've played against this terran before. Unless there's another 3.6k diamond barcode terran who bunkers a zerg's 3rd or 4th... There really aren't that many ladder players anymore are there!
On my lunch break and an IODIS comes out, this is truly a blessed day.
I missed this one when I came out, this one was hilarious, Harstem was absolutely inferno mode
1:31 right off the bat the complaint is that the unit counter for roach is good against roach. the fix if you want a roach based army is to just add hydras. how starved are you for complaint forms? even this guy's premise is flawed. it feels like "please nerf knives they hurt me if i cut myself with them".
"The terran is OP and able to come back from such a worker lead?!"
Terran casually floating 3-4k resources on 100 supplies...
When both players are bad, and its not a better player wins, its the worse player who loses... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There is a controversal and unpopular opinion too:
population is having a retracement too. Cant really boil it down to a single reason, but a third of the population in developed countries are childfree now. You cant grow infinitely in a finite world.
And yes, one reason is the lack of security for not having kids.
Look, im 38... dont have kids. Unlikely I will ever get some. Both me and my partners are working, yet we cant afford to buy a home.
Recently realized that an avg mortgage is for 35 years. Which bank would lend me money where statistically I should be out from the workforce for quarter of the lending period now...? :(
And prices are dictated by demand. More and more people competing for the same resources. You can ask a Childfree whats the reason to be CF and you will get hundreds of different answers.
Regardless what you think about it, heres the thing:
GENERATIONAL SHIFTS:
Does the UK need new homes, or the population just need to wait 1-2 decades and homes will be empty regardless?
There are countries where this actually happening now.
Even here in the UK I see villages and small towns almost deserted. Even if theres someone who inherits the property, clearly the kids wont give up their life and relocate to an isolated area where the nearest city (or even supermarket) is half hour driving...
I contradict myself, but workforce is shifting. Remote workplaces, online shopping is shifting the country. You only need internet to do office work, and you only need workshop/storage unit to do your online shop. Possibly this is why the new built houses in the countryside are sold even before pipelines are digged out. For a local minimum wage worker that 300k new built home is a fortune, but for someone who lives in London and manages to get a remote work its a bargain...
If you have a nail, every problem is a hammer.
excellent series. how about you and hamster swapping roles? it would be even more broken and hilarious imho
How hard do you have to throw a plate against a wall for the wall to break
I actually knew someone who stopped play SC2 for their SO, but maybe they were playing on a barcode this whole time! 😮
Maybe it is this exact Terran!!
As a gold-plat zerg that occasionally plays 1-1 roach: we as whole, do not claim this person.. clearly they're an off-racing troll, and we have no idea how they made it to diamond with that kind of decision making. no serious zerg player is going to keep building the same unit after seeing the opponent has built the two hard counter units for that unit. Besides, it's a terrible opener(which is all it's supposed to be) vs terran anyway, it's better to just build ling-bane.
The real strength here is the medevacs. The marauders wouldn't have been so bad if they weren't backed up by medevacs which the zerg player didn't seem capable of doing much about. When he does get hydras, he can't seem to do a proper surround/flank so it is honestly the zerg's fault for bad micro.
2:25 edit was too funny bro
Gonna play devil's advocate here and say if you just throw enough plates, the wall will eventually go down. May take a few million, but still.
I’m wagering Tayter is referencing Ron White’s(comedian) story about being arrested. Worth the google.
I think you should change the IODIS episodes to "Harstem flames me because I suck". Then you give each game 5 minutes. Flame them harshly to make them want to quit starcraft. Then move on to the next game. 4 games per episode
They submit their own games so they are asking for it.. Most people get paid for hourly for the service you would be providing...
Random question is a 13 barracks worth it? I know 14 is standard right but
I dont even play SC2, never did. I come here solely for Harstem's metaphors. Please sir, never change :D
Terran just know that everything in his opponent mind is 1-1 Roach.
he legit build 9 tech lab to completely crush him.
just one wave of muta could completely shut it down.
Plot twist: The barcode was his friend and they just wanted to be shown on the channel :D
oh man love it attempting to demolish a fence with plates despite having an excavator (basically) lol
I'm a lower level, I'm just diamond and today I don't use barcode anymore. But in the past I already used it because I make YT videos for Brazilian community and there are a lot of people that known me from YT that I've played against in ladder and I've hated the fact that they recognized me, so I used a barcode account for a while because of that.
Great editing!
"This is a godless man....building 9 marines from barraks with tech labs" haha
I suspect his heart broke at 9:30 and didn't recover