The Manipulation Of MrGirl | Destiny vs MrGirl
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Hearing mr girl fans agree and justify his outrageous takes for the sake of art and nuance is scaryy
This whole conversation would be obselete if max had any idea about bdsm and proper negation
I don't which fans you are talking about most comments in those videos are against him.
Mr Girl's goal is to tell everyone that they are as bad as he is. Hes trying to say that everything bad about himself is just human nature, and we have to accept it! His goal is not to admit wrong doings and try to change by having a discussion about it.
this is so fucking stupid. he's not just "bad," he's dangerous. this mindset that he has is damaging.
Thats literally just a defence that abusive people use to self justify their wrongdoings.
@@angusmarch1066 Yeah thats what im saying..
@@faysalals1 I think they were agreeing with you but just upset at MrGirl’s “logic” not at your analysis
@@Sprite_525 yeah, Im railing against the cringe Joker mentality of Mr Girl.
Destiny is way too kind to MrGirl.
Yep it annoys me and turned me off Destiny’s page.
Id take Fresh&Fit happily over guys like this 10 times over.
Idk about that, 21 mins in but tate literally encourages beating women and trafficking them in dirty countries like that's basically what pedophiles do
Lol sad but true
@@FreyaWarr these are the times we are living in lol if you dont laugh you will cry lol
No. Burn them all at the stake.
@@FreyaWarris this a Metallica reference????
Destiny feels more like a dad then a friend to Mr girl in this discussion as he expected destiny to be proud of what he is and to accept him as he has taken destiny's belief system and warped it to fit his narrative but since destiny doesn't accept him he is perplexed and seems agitated he can't get his way
He talks to men and women very differently. He cussed out his gf, and Brittany Simon in their conversations, but always gives destiny respect.
yeah he’s a coward
Max has admitted to being a misogynist
I’ve listened to so many male commentators empathize and agree with Mr. girls takes and not be appalled by his stories and so its refreshing af to see a man see hes dysfunctional and a scary person
*_THIS_*
Sane people stoped listening, there's not mutch to say beyond he's an abusive pos
He's asking his girlfriend to consent to being dehumanised on a schedule and in one of the most vulnerable situation humans (especially women) get in. Not only that but he is purposely creating a manipulative and pressuring environment to do it ; he does it on camera, in front of an audience of people who idolise him, and he lies to her about what the conversation is gonna be about, effectively removing the possibility for her to actually reflect freely on whether she'd be comfortable doing it or not and putting her on the spot. He was also being very aggressive in the way he talked to her, telling her to shut up, calling her manipulative every time she opened her mouth, laughing at her when she broke down. Also the way she behaved during that conversation, being very submissive and hesitant, is a huge red flag indicating she's being abused. It's such a normal thing not to be able to establish clear and direct boundaries on such an unusual ask on the spot (with the added pressure of the camera). Especially because he's very good at making it appear as if it's a very rational thing to expect from someone.
Yeah for this big of an ask there has to be a LOOOOT of trust
I get the vibe from this guy that he's got antisocial personality traits if not straight sociopathy and is desperately trying to prove that everyone else is the same as him, they're just lying to themselves.
1:17:50 if Mr. Girl recognizes that he’s abusive and actively selects tactics he feels will get him what he wants effectively, using my Google PhD, I’d call him a sociopath. He knows what he’s doing is abusive, he understands how to use empathy and emotion to hook people in, and he doesn’t care so long as he gets what he wants.
This is what I'm hearing as a biased perspective: "if i can publicly coerce my partner into r*pe... im not actually r*ping them"
He wants to punish Shaelin because she reminds him of himself. It's a self-harm thing for him: he'd get off on exacting to her what he has felt at some point. I guarantee it. I've known men like this my whole life. They resent women because they want them. And they want to punish them for that want, and for them to understand that perceived helplessness. He's like Jeffrey Dahmer: he doesn't think anyone wants to organically be with him, he has to trick them and bond with them through trauma because he doesn't think he can bond any other way because he hates himself.
Tl;dr "he's a creepy little incel."
Strange way of being an incel, but that makes a lot of sense and probably what is happening
Exceptionally well written
I feel bad for his gf. My brother used to be like this and still is to an extent. But he’s gotten better, but it used to be tiring to talk to him. He wanted us to say things in a specific way, told us how we feel, and then yelled when we weren’t giving into what he was saying. It was exhausting, I hope she gets out, or I hope the video was a joke but by this point it’s a dragged out joke. I hope Mrgirl has an actual man talk to him about this because that’s the only way he cowers, is when he’s confronted by a man. Destiny didn’t confront him enough.
Destiny did speak to him. I agree, we need a man to do it, not a weasel cuck who allows his wife to get railed by strangers.
I really think he needs someone like Papa Gut to tell him how it is.
He's revealing the fact that his attraction to young women has a lot more to do with them being vulnerable and more easily manipulated than he otherwise let on and/or consciously realises
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You literally just know very little. That's the only reason why you are saying this.
@@he.5865 can you explain?
I like that Destiny called his view on her going on stream a rationalisation and not reasoning. A subtle dig pointing out how delusional Mr Girl sounds that he completely spins in his head to be a compliment when it really isn't.
Boy o boy. Literally until yesterday I was actually believing (maybe only hoping) that MrGirl is an act or this is all a joke. This guy literally is admitting that he wants her to answer in a way all doubt is removed that he has full consent to exactly what he wants. Or to not do it at all. Without having to do anything extra. While she has a right to answer the proposed sexual act in any way she wants, with doubts, without, with concerns, with emotional anything and everything. He conveniently removes the idea that the proposed sexual act in itself is not provoking in any way. The way he wants someone to just say yes, no or let me come back to you on that is insane. It's not a business proposal. I can't imagine a world where his girlfriend is happy in any way
I really feel like he has a terrible potential to become a r@pist and if this fantasy of his ever comes to fruition he’ll just start r@ping women.
I was in the same boat, I haven’t seen 99% of his stuff, just his Destiny chats and a few call-in shows. I thought he was a normie pretending to be Joker-brained. But I instantly unsubbed from everything after seeing that gf video. She’s actually trapped. And I can’t see him the same again.
Same, now I think he's just a socio. I don't use that term lightly but he is lacking all human empathy. I pity him, must be a horrible way to live. He needs no more attention from anyone. Can't even watch him for a minute more.
I just could not care less about this dude. I'm more interested in finding out why any woman would date him. His girlfriend is really pretty and could replace him in a heartbeat. So sad.
I’m calling it right now, he’s going to end up being a serial killer and setting the bodies up to be his real dolls.
Oh god like in that csi episode where they were basically just paralyzed ugh that was awful
Sorry that was a bones episode I think
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if he has bodies or watches child stuff or both. He’s really disturbing and I’d prefer 24 hours of silence than 24 hours with him.
This is something that most people don’t talk about or go through. I agree with everything papa is saying but it’s the first time I’m hearing it in words which is appreciated.
Ohhh I get it now. Mr. Girl thinks any outward emotion (especially and maybe exclusively by women) is manipulation. He doesn't understand that sometimes I'm crying because I'm sad not because you need to do anything about it. And that's toxic shit man.
He knows what he's talking about, Papa gut, he's doing a thing called backpeddaling. He respects destiny too much to be himself as much as he is with his abused gf.
PapaGut, your analysis here is impeccable. Thank you.
Brittney said he treats Destiny like his cult leader. I think that was an accurate read.
Papa the goat, I get super invested in hearing what you have to say in these sorts of issues as it teaches me well, you have a very good way of conveying thoughts in such a comprehensive ways which had led me to practice my own critical thinking.
Well he did say some dumb incorrect things.
"He doesn't fit into any space" " you can extrapaliate what you want from that" . Got it Papa, I will start a gofundme page to raise money to put out a hit on Mr Girl.
Good timing papa I just got done watching your previous Mr Girl video
When I listen to Mr Girl talk, all I want to do is hold up a cross and yell “I did not pass through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a witness worm!”
He’s on some real Grima Wormtongue mess. His words are poison.
Yo papa can you try and get Mr girl on to talk to you like you did with Def noodles. Idk why I wanna see you absolutely body him. He's so annoying. He's someone who deserves a wakeup call.
Papa my body is ready for this 2 hour video
What if he doesn’t want your body to be ready you just have to take it lmao 🤣 just kidding ofc
@@aly7475 okay mr girl😭
@@angytoastybruh lol I’m mr. Man. Mr girls manlier cousin
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u really are the man with this comment lmfaooooo 💀😆
i love it 😂
@@angytoastybruh youre so self centred. Stop trying to make Papa Gut's content about you. If youre even 11% invested, then that makes it 100% you making the content about yourself.
2:12:00 THANK YOU. I kept saying daddy issues, and felt so fucking unheard lol. I really appreciate that you get it man.
I also think Max is saying she is being abusive when she gets her feeling at hurt and she cries.
Hey idk if ur gonna see this papa but around 1:01:14 when the conversation was about charisma and u said it was bizarre it’s actually really not. Charisma is very often used by real world leaders to sway and manipulate populations so like a charismatic person can convince people with very little actual logic. So charisma can actually be a really big red flag in manipulation. For example when people where pointing out that Donald trump has some fascist tendencies they pointed to the fact that both hitler and trump where super charismatic. Cult leaders are also super charismatic and I think from personal experience manipulators are often times super charismatic. Charisma can be used to convince people in situations where they normally wouldn’t do it. So think of a way a cult leader can convince his followers to do crazy shit, it’s not the logic behind his rhetoric but usually the egos the emotion that convinces people aka there charisma.
But charisma is not bad by it’s own it often even be good but can be a red flag for potential abuse.
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To this day since I first heard about this guy Max, I always wondered why a grown man called himself “Mr. Girl?
Destiny is friendly because he allows people to expose who they are regardless of what his opinion is of them. And he sees it as a tool to understand and root out bad ideas. But i do agree MrGirl is all trash
she literally said in the very beginning "I'm not sure I'll have to think about this first" and HE kept pushing her. he's a fucking liar. he said to destiny he would have been fine if she had said that but SHE DID. that wasn't good enough for him.
At this point, MrGirl is just 'there'. It's like he has a soul but at the same time doesn't. He sounds like he wants a vampire just the way he talks about what he needs or wants in women. So while everyone was so focused on Jared Leto and his cult, they can't see the ones forming beneath celebrities. I honestly feel like if he had a bit more power over a community, aside from his own, he might have gone forward with it and expanded where possible.
His gf is either a great actress or is truly in trouble.
papa gut literally read my mind in this vid, he explained nonverbal and subliminal abuse tactics so well, based papa 🙏🏼
I really wish you would talk to him because you wouldn’t allow him to get away with saying whatever he wants. He needs a wake up call man. You need to put him in his place.
I know you can't just jail ppl for preventative measures, but I don't see therapy helping, or anything else. He's just going to keep escalating his behavior, especially with how many ppl actually encourage and agree with him. Ppl like him definitely do not deserve a platform, and he's just going to get worse over time. Everyone who likes his content should be on a watch list.
He has a psychology degree and doesn’t believe in therapy so I agree he won’t change.
broooo i dont wanna see this guy anymore to be honest lol no more gut no more
L mr girl
The way he talks to Destiny is way different than how he talks to Shaylin.
"if she's into it then i wouldnt want it " that's a million times creepy
It’s so messed up!!! If that’s what he wants, he needs to not be in any relationships and to stay away from people.
Yes! You can rescind consent at ANY time. That doesn’t make what happened before that point r@p$ but anything after might be.
No shit?
Any creator platforming/engaging with mrgirl is guilty of spreading the acceptance of domestic abuse…
To all the people that had the displeasure in encountering this thing in irl: Yup, he's a creep.
Sorry I'm still watching this and to me this is what I've concluded: This bs probably went through something as a child (either he went through these events or he had these dark thoughts all his life and now feels "safe" enough to exploit these fantasies) and desperately wants to reenact these events as an adult and force someone into this idea and throws a tantrum when any amount of disagree occurs.
55:03 ok I see what destiny did. He's doing the "befriend" tactic
That police officer story is sad...no amount of therapy can't fix that...
Shaylin was just asking clarifying questions she Max flipped out.
1:50:30 - I wonder if Destiny was so burned by Hassan that he doesn't trust his judge of character as much anymore.
He literally wants to force her to drink that grape soda against her will once a month. He's talking his way around it. Screw all this muddying the waters.
She needs to run. RUN. For all the reasons ppl have said.
Mr Girl is literally and i do believe this 100% a chaos magician.
What’s a chaos magician??
this is the rhetoric I've heard from guys with EDD that are barely coping. hanging by a thread.
The concept of "true" consent being able to be removed/renegotiated at any time sends me down a thought train of the ethics of non-disclosure agreements 🤔? I've always felt there's something fundamentally unethical about them, tbh
Not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure non-disclosure agreements can be voided in the event of a crime. If someone's consent was withdrawn or a crime occurs within the bounds of an NDA a witness or a victim can still report it. NDA's however can be abused to falsely threaten victims or witnesses into silence.
@@killapollo4853 okay, yah I kinda figured those things were true... Thanks
2:05:36 Hey, dude. Love your channel. However, I‘d refrain from using slurs as synonyms in the future. Using slurs in general doesn’t usually make you look like a good person. I’m more accepting of it from Destiny and Mrgirl simply because I don’t expect any better from them, but you seem to have intellect and potential. And the use of slurs usually cause people to be more closedminded and ignorant. Just a thought. Have a great day.
What was the slur?
@@uberhaxorzskelletor r****d
@@teallineart8805 did papa gut say it? Or was he using another word as a synonym? Because the time stamp doesn't have him saying the r slur
You say he can just break up with her like it would be that easy for him. If he breaks up with her what other woman would have him?
1:00:54 Uhh... charisma has pretty much nothing to do with morality. In fact, it's one of the most important traits in a cult leader. It just means you can get people to like you
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True. I think some people just subconsciously define charisma as positive, and when they want a negative version of charisma, they say ‘crafty’ instead
I made a similar comment charisma can often times be a red flag for abuse or manipulation
Right, you pretty much NEED charisma to be manipulative. Papa gut says “he’s not charismatic he’s manipulative”, which I didn’t get
I think he meant charisma like in fallout games; it
Mr Girl saying he wants to be more like a teenager is eerily similar to some of the things Michael Jackson said
There's something about hearing the game play in the background that's very satisfying
Papa Gut has become my new favorite channel lately! Love the content and your honest opinion on things
oh he will for sure be arrested for something eventually.
he already has, look up max karson arrest for being a suspected school shooter lmfaoo
@@natpolkabunny just read a few articles about it. He is so obnoxious. Like the ULTIMATE edge lord. Thanks for the info. Wonder what the next arrest will be ....
Mrgaslight: nick Fuentes is a terrible and you shouldn't be so charitable to horrible people
Destiny: ok
Mrgaslight: 😮
Is his girlfriend actually okay with him talking about this shit for the world to see or does he just not give a fuck what she thinks? This is mad weird to be talking about with someone like this and I don't know legit anything about these people but don't destiny and mrgirl hate each other I thought Mrgirl was writing an article or something about destiny being a creep or some shit? tf is going on
He really is so delusional. How could mr girl get this perspective from that scenario that everyone saw. He tries to reframe the situation but it makes no sense.
1:36 cool, the mrs brought up the obvious ? Are you daft ? .... but guess what none of you brought up ? If some1 does that, walk, ghost, block, ban, mute, eject, ignore, disown.... as if mrgirl could force anyone.
Well, he could with your audience sayin this dumb crap. He also wheeled "mYwIfe" out to solidify arguments
What are you saying? Make complete sentences without typing like an angry Stan.
I feel like Max makes assumptions in his head about Shaylin than acts like what he thinks she thinks is what she said.
Exactly!!! He’s putting all this malicious intent and stuff behind what she says or does and it’s ridiculous. He thinks he’s so smart that he can just read her mind and he’s actually a deluded moron.
Idk why papa gut takes chat words so easily sometimes cause at the beginning of the vid someone said “destiny likes max cause they’re similar but lack social skills” which isn’t necessarily the full case and is rather out of context
Thats what Destiny said.
Sure he’s probably admitted he has certain Atypical “personally traits” as mr girl and I believe made some sort of statement before how mrgirl engages in arguments In a very “autistic” way but I don’t believe destiny has ever said him and mrgirl are one to one the same per se
Everyone makes mistakes sure, mr girl is just someones mistake.
holy shit... i don't know the start of this drama... but jesus christ... this dude is really unhinged... even if you thought those rapey thoughts, why would you even say them on camera to millions of people? that's what's even scarier! he doesn't see anything wrong or bad about what he is saying. wtf
I completely agree with you papa, I think he genuinely thinks he’s not abusive anymore, or at least not as abusive he once was. I don’t think he understands that he can be emotionally abusive and manipulative, just like he sees his girlfriend. I think he might be narcissist or something because at least to me it’s obvious he doesn’t process someone else’s emotions like we do. To him it’s only me me me.
Can we all acknowledge that if Destiny was reacting to Vaush or Hasan or Demonmama or anyone else from his usual rogues gallery saying this shit that he would be extremely alarmed and would push back alot harder? I dont know why he treats Max with the kid gloves, when he is clearly dealing with an insane person. Mrgirl employs every shady debate tactic in the average piece of shit sophist's toolbelt and Destiny for some reason, who is supposed to be the veteran debater is acting like he is dealing with good faith arguments.
I'm under the impression that he thinks mrgirl is a little more self-aware and better-intentioned than vaush or Hasan, which is why he actively tries to engage in deep discussions with him to better understand his values/rationalities. Vaush and Hasan weirdly enough seem more dishonest about their intentions than mrgirl does lol
Mrgirl just seems like someone who's deeply in denial about their strong antisocial/narcissistic tendencies and has effectively convinced himself that its everyone else who's weird in order to protect his own fragile ego.
1) mr girl is actually being super good faith(even if he’s abusive) 2) destiny is neutral on mr girl and not neutral (negative) to his rouge gallery mainly cause there super bad faith
@@whogotthesushi3897 being abusive is inherently not good faith, because every argument you make is weaponised precisely to cause emotional and mental harm to the other person. Ergo, not good faith. Trying to justify that behaviour to another person, framing your actions as not as bad as they actually were and painting yourself to be the victim to avoid criticism are not good faith.
@@angusmarch1066 that’s not what good faith is. U can be a bad person and still be good faith in an argument. Take for example his arguments with racist as long as they are good faith(ie during the conversation they listen and don’t straw-man don’t interrupt, etc) then destiny will still be respectful. Destiny never starts out being aggressive or bad faith he always gives the same energy of his opponent. Good faith is just being respectful that’s all it is
@@angusmarch1066 wait do u even know what being in good faith means.(genuine question)
“honesty or sincerity of intention”
That’s all it is, u can be hitler and still be arguing in good faith. U just have to have honest intentions and honestly engage in the conversation.
Max always changes the goal posts and shan’t to have things both ways.
Would mr girl be considered a predator for being so manipulative to his Gf? I understand she still consents but it seems really predatory… sry if it’s a dumb label of what he is as a person
"Predator" has lost alot of its meaning in a post Twitter world. If we get bogged down in what does or doesnt constitute predation, then it allows people like Mr Girl to hide behind that debate as a means of shifting away from the actual issue of their behaviour. Lets leave it at, the dude is not a good guy and his girlfriend should probably leave him, or someone should help her see that she needs to leave him.
@@angusmarch1066 ok :)
I think he really believes she did horrible things. 🙄😳
This aged well
Liverwurst is so good.
Me at mine 5:00
Oh if this is an assassination, then I'll watch. I cannot stand his bullshit going on unbridled.
2:58... why wyy wouldnt you why. Instant muted his own rubbish interruption.... used for intro ? Ok. Not watching.
This video made me not dislike destiny as much.
I think Mr. Girl uses silence as a manipulation tactic. He'll become silent which makes some people (not Destiny, lol) uncomfortable to the point where they'll try to fill the silence. It worked on his gf; he would say something wild then pause, then she would nervously laugh or change her position on something.
That's 1 sick puppy. Mr. Girl is a terrible name btw
“Incel Star Wars!” 😄😂😅
destiny looks like MrGirl in cursive
Max is not a feminist
" allegedly " she is trans and he " talked her out of it because trans isn't real" my hope is that this is just some art project
Basically, he likes it when they hate it
1:31:15 Absolute destiny derangement syndrome by chat lol
It's funny how many people in Destiny's audience think Destiny hates women.
Mrgirl is truly a monster
Do people care if the content creators they watch are "good" or "moral" people? It just really doesn't matter to me much at all
It matters when the content is based around morality
@@whoopsie890 Would you say Destiny, Papa Gut, and/or MrGirl fall under that category of content?
When the conversation revolves around consent, then yes, it matters to me.
@@noahthenormal ???? Yes they make content.
@@angusmarch1066 Not really sure what you're trying to address here, man
What happened to the videos on the H3 situation?
I knew Mr. Girl was a POS. Terrible.
haha yeah I 100% agree with u lol
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This is the first time I commented in 2 months, hi papa gut*
In the opening few seconds, what video is PG talking about when he says “ idk what to think after we just watched the thing”? Can someone point me to the video PG is referencing please and thank you?
Literally the video he posted immediately before this one.
@@angusmarch1066 thanks, I did check that one out. Thanks for the help.
I don't think he's asking for her not to enjoy it, I think he's asking for the two of them to hook up, and for her to either enthusiastically consent or not consent to his plan, without ambiguity.
If she's deliberately making it so that he has to question himself, if that's what's happening, that's not ok. That's the difference between having to be considerate of her vs. having to be concerned about her. The latter _could_ be psychological abuse.
That's not really what he's articulating though, so I may be way off.
You are. He literally says to her that he doesnt care or want for to enjoy sex and he wants her to just lay there lifeless.
I think you're mostly right. She's deliberately framing it in a way to force him to caretake her feelings, and he's trying to get ahead of that by negotiating a more clear-cut encounter, and the negotiations derail into her doing exactly what he's criticizing her for
@@angusmarch1066 I still interpret that as he doesn't want to have to be concerned about her.
@@LiliS319 No, he actually want her to not enjoy the sex. Destiny even make it clear that if she was enthusiastic about it, Mrgirl would like it less, because his actual desire is to "take advantage" of her.
He actually did not give her a way to say NO. Since he took the "relationship" hostage. He basically said they would break up if he doesn't get what he want, 100% of the time.
It's like kidnaping a person and tell them if she doesn't " consent" to sex, she can't leave. That is not consent.
Also that is his problem if HE himself is the one put her in emotional distress. You don't get to talk about concerned or inconsiderate if you are the sole reason why people are distressed
@@nguyendi92 she has agency, she can exit the relationship
1:01:50 this is one of the first dumb things papa gut as said, being charismatic and being manipulative arent disassociative be with one another in fact the more charismatic the person is the more capable they are at manipulating you.
MrGirl is a horrible human being, the documentary on him shows how bad the guy really is
Do you stream?
He does
@@InYourFace-tm3zo where
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@@InYourFace-tm3zo name?
@@salibonani6834 papa_gut2032
Destiny describing what sex is definitely outed him as someone who hasn’t had sex
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