I worked offshore in the Gulf of Mexico for 35 years. Every platform had 2 of these to provide electricity. Most everything we ran had 480 volts. Ours were Solar turbines, turned at 10,000 rpms. Scary up close when they ramp up to speed and noisy as all get out.
I helped change out a Solar in the jungle in Colombia. We used a pair of 2x4's to lift it out and put the new one in. Scary is being inside the inlet duct of a GE 60 megawatt gas turbine under load.
I wish that each building in my apartment complex had one of these, especially during the month of September, the peak of Hurricane season. I well remember Hurricane Hugo of 1989, when my families house was without power for three weeks. This closely resembles a whole house emergency generator that I dream of, called the "Pratt & Whitney Turboshaft". There are two versions, one that runs on natural gas, and the other that runs on regular jet fuel, which comes with a 1,000 gallon external fuel tank. The Pratt & Whitney will run for a solid month on a full tank of jet fuel. One of the Pratt & Whitney's essential components is a Flux Capacitor, which allows it's computer to know in advance when a power outage is eminent. That gives it's turbine engine time to fire up, and for the generator to kick in the very instant that the power goes out. The only thing you'd notice besides the whine of the engine, would be a slight flick of the lights, like you typically get when your A/C kicks on.
Don't let the apartment manager get a GE 7EA gas turbine without installing a 1 million gallon fuel oil tank. That's good for about 6 days of run time before you need to refuel. Burns almost 2 gallons per second. th-cam.com/video/0ZggIi3a5-Q/w-d-xo.html
I hear ya! BUT, I would imagine that good mechanical design plays just as much a role as the FADEC does. Combustor baffling, injector nozzle size, ignitor location, compressor and turbine blade design - all that stuff. Regardless, it all seems to come together to make this one hell of a skid mounted turbine-genset. *AND* I want one to put on my patio out back. Why? I dunno, just for the fun of it and to piss off my nosy neighbor, Anne. Muahahaaaa! I could listen to the startup and shutdown sound all fkn day!
Honestly it is all 99% stock ex-Huey parts that are too old for air certification. The aircraft fuel control is removed and new redesigned fuel rails and nozzles put on. The vid shows an added linear actuator controlling the IGV Inlet guide Veins that the mechanical fuel control took care of. It has a hydraulic starter that is powered by a separate 140hp 4 cylinder Chevy hydraulic APU that is also gas powered.
That engine could be 50-years old…. T53 versions are still used in UH-1, Huey and AH-1 Cobra Helicopters. I started on these back during Vietnam, been retired many years ago. Old technology, utterly reliable gas turbines. Have clean air, most any fuel, and a oil/filter change every year or so, and they run forever. Only down side, personal working around those develop a significant hearing loss.
Interesting configuration with open high speed shaft and not using a torque tube. Having a torque tube means the turbine can simply sit on a mount that only has to carry the dead weight of the engine. Reactive torque is transmitted along the tube to the front face of the transmission. Much simpler mount. Also much safer in case of a high speed shaft fail or shear pin breakage. Very nice packaging good catch on the Variable Geometry guide vane movement.
Kind of surprised that these aren't more common in stand by generator setups for buildings with natural gas supplies. All the buildings I've ever been in use diesels / converted diesels. This would make for a way more cleaner power supply.
“ Turbines use a lot of friggin fuel.” Large turbines of modern design can be VERY efficient in their operating range. But we’re talking utility scale stuff. Smaller turbines are not very efficient, especially if they are of an older design (like this one).
Probably because the natural gas supply to the building isn't capable of delivering gas at a high enough rate to power one of these. Domestic natural gas supply for running stoves or ovens has a tiny amount of pressure - I've seen gas fitters measure it with a water manometer only 20 cm long, which is equivalent to 14 Torr (mmHg) at most, or 0.018 Bar (0.28 psi). You would need a fuel pump to raise that to the pressure required for the fuel injectors on the gas turbine, which need to operate above the discharge pressure of the gas turbine intake compressor. Even then, using gas at the maximum rate the gas supply pipe to the building can deliver would still probably not be enough. Maybe for a very small gas turbine, assuming that nobody else in the building needs gas for anything. But to deliver fuel to a gas turbine capable of driving a generator to power the whole building? Not likely - which is why generators have their own fuel tanks for that.
I think the electrical utility around here uses these sort of things for peak shaving. Just think....this little power plant could power 40 houses with 240V at 100A. Or maybe triple that since it's probably 3-phase.
It is designed to run off of well gas. Which is barely filtered natural gas as it comes out of the ground. It is designed for remote oilfield locations without a commercial electrical grid. In the Vid it is running off compressed Methane.
@@MrDeicide1 if you want to run this for one hour, fully loaded, on compressed methane, you would need 28.98 pounds of fuel. of course what the hell are you running that uses 100,000 watts constant load?
Its actually far less efficient than a steam plant. But when you can set it on a simple foundation anywhere, put it on line in minutes and the fuel comes out of the ground for almost free, it makes sense to install one of these. They are good for remote locations where there are no rivers or lakes, no electrical grid. I was a Field Engineer and installed and overhauled 20-70 Megawatt gas turbine units. They are almost never installed in resort areas. I saw the armpits of the world. A steam plant takes 2-3 years to build and get on line. GE put a 20 Megawatt gas turbine in somewhere in Vietnam in the 70's in 30 days. Several months is the usual install time. The joke was that a gas turbine is an ''Atmosphere Heater''. But..... put 2 gas turbines side by side, duct the turbine exhausts into a boiler, you have enough heat and steam to run a steam turbine generator for free. Called Combined Cycle Plant, its very efficient.
@@kimmer6 Interesting you say that about relative thermal efficiency. Steam has a huge problem in that the heat of vaporization of water is so high. With gas turbines, that doesn't apply; major factor in efficiency is the compressor's compression ratio, which is steadily being raised as a result of improvements in turbine blade technology. Possibly you're extrapolating from earlier units? Simple economics figure into design.
@@jacquesblaque7728 The latent heat of evaporation is a huge asset, not a ''problem''. You get the energy back that was spent vaporizing steam by the time it gets to the low pressure end of a condensing steam turbine. The last row of steam turbine blades run in a high vacuum, 24 to 26 inches of mercury. The boiler can add tremendous amounts of energy by superheating the steam to where it might be 900psi at 900 degrees F, 482C and 62bar entering the high pressure steam chest throttle valves. All of that energy is turned to work quite efficiently at the turbine rotor. The condensing end of a steam turbine at load is cool to the touch since the energy was removed by the turbine rotor. A non condensing steam engine such as those in old locomotives was very inefficient. In a simple cycle gas turbine such as a 24 megawatt GE MS5001, the exhaust stack is 13 feet square, 4 meters square. At full load, the combustion gas is at about 1000F or 538C. About 200 pounds per second, 91kg, of air per second is being wasted out the exhaust stack in a tremendous flow. This is terribly inefficient. Aircraft high bypass engines are certainly more efficient, but lightweight helicopter and turboprop turbine engines are fuel hogs with low efficiency. Their advantages are that they are very light weight, simple, compact, and are very reliable and smooth. There are ''Combined Cycle'' electrical generating plants that have 2 gas turbines exhausting into ducts leading to a steam boiler which powers a single steam turbine generator. The waste heat is recovered and the thermal efficiency is remarkably high.
Skookum as frig. Guessing the turbine is spinning WAY faster than the generator, is the generator itself basically powered by the exhaust from the turbine? Like is it basically spinning a fan internally?
No. From what I can see on the wiki page, the generator is directly (with 2nd gear reduction, the turbine has an internal reduction set) running off of the main shaft of this turbine. It also has a radial compressor stage (think turbocharger) as its final compression stage. Which I found interesting, because most modern turbines are completely axial.
Could someone please explain the driveline to the reduction gear? Is it direct drive off the compressor? I thought most applications were through an indirect turbine on the turbine side. A diesel guy is curious about things without connecting rods so forgive me for a dumb question. 😬
i was confused too, exhuast end seemed to be missing the usual power take off turbine/blade set, where as this animal seems to be deriving its power from the suction end of the beast before the compressor stage with that manifold/blade set next to the shaft to the reduction box/generator end, the other give away was the turbine was starting and spinning up ignited before we saw a reaction from the power /reduction box shaft , once it was sucking hard enough , the airflow into the compressor is strong enough to couple with the reduction side like hydrodnyamic lock up. definately a unusual unit but effective and ingenious use of hydrolock effect of high rates of air flow , hope that helps or just confuses the hell out of u, but we both seem to love the " tak tak tak wumph! screeeeee" of a turbine start up! cheers mate from aus!
This engine was originally developed for helicopters. There is a separate power turbine as you say, but the output shaft of the T53 comes out of the cold end, and the shaft runs through the engine from the power turbine at the hot end, concentric with the gas generator shaft. The purpose was to keep the heat away from the rotor reduction gearbox, and that's an asset in the power generation application was well by keeping the heat away from the applied load.
Because that's what Jet Engine is, it's a gas turbine simply scaled up. The Abrams tank sounds like a jet, this sounds like a jet, pretty much any gas turbine does.
Most newer power plants essentially ARE larger versions of this, but with the addition of a steam plant that uses the exhaust of the gas turbine to boil water (ie ‘combined cycle’).
I put these in for GE all over the world. Picture 3 locomotives end to end and that was the gas turbine package. They sent the accessory skid, the gas turbine, and the gearbox and generator unit. The inlet filter house and the exhaust stack took up way more space. All of the pre packaged stuff was designed to fit through railroad tunnels. I did 20 to 65 megawatt units, saw 17 countries..
@@jackyclaiborne2142 but you can put them in a sound dampening room where a gas turbine most of the noise comes from the exhaust and there no real way to muffle it with out messing up the airflow.
@@brettmoore3194 yea that would drive all the dogs in the area crazy also there are some people that can here ultrasonic sound like me every time a walk past an inverter from a roof top solar system the damn sound rapes my ears.
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I worked offshore in the Gulf of Mexico for 35 years. Every platform had 2 of these to provide electricity. Most everything we ran had 480 volts. Ours were Solar turbines, turned at 10,000 rpms. Scary up close when they ramp up to speed and noisy as all get out.
I helped change out a Solar in the jungle in Colombia. We used a pair of 2x4's to lift it out and put the new one in. Scary is being inside the inlet duct of a GE 60 megawatt gas turbine under load.
I love the winning sound of a an Gas turbine engine revving up to idle and then goes to full power ... :-)
I wish that each building in my apartment complex had one of these, especially during the month of September, the peak of Hurricane season. I well remember Hurricane Hugo of 1989, when my families house was without power for three weeks. This closely resembles a whole house emergency generator that I dream of, called the "Pratt & Whitney Turboshaft". There are two versions, one that runs on natural gas, and the other that runs on regular jet fuel, which comes with a 1,000 gallon external fuel tank. The Pratt & Whitney will run for a solid month on a full tank of jet fuel. One of the Pratt & Whitney's essential components is a Flux Capacitor, which allows it's computer to know in advance when a power outage is eminent. That gives it's turbine engine time to fire up, and for the generator to kick in the very instant that the power goes out. The only thing you'd notice besides the whine of the engine, would be a slight flick of the lights, like you typically get when your A/C kicks on.
Don't let the apartment manager get a GE 7EA gas turbine without installing a 1 million gallon fuel oil tank. That's good for about 6 days of run time before you need to refuel. Burns almost 2 gallons per second. th-cam.com/video/0ZggIi3a5-Q/w-d-xo.html
Smart. No DeLorean needed this way 🤯
From starter motor energized to a nice steady-state condition (idle) in 25 seconds. _THAT_ is impressive...
I hear ya! BUT, I would imagine that good mechanical design plays just as much a role as the FADEC does. Combustor baffling, injector nozzle size, ignitor location, compressor and turbine blade design - all that stuff. Regardless, it all seems to come together to make this one hell of a skid mounted turbine-genset.
*AND* I want one to put on my patio out back. Why? I dunno, just for the fun of it and to piss off my nosy neighbor, Anne. Muahahaaaa! I could listen to the startup and shutdown sound all fkn day!
Honestly it is all 99% stock ex-Huey parts that are too old for air certification. The aircraft fuel control is removed and new redesigned fuel rails and nozzles put on. The vid shows an added linear actuator controlling the IGV Inlet guide Veins that the mechanical fuel control took care of. It has a hydraulic starter that is powered by a separate 140hp 4 cylinder Chevy hydraulic APU that is also gas powered.
@@MatthewBarras can it run on wood gas from a wood gasifier
@@MatthewBarras That's incredible. At my root, I love it when discarded gear can be given a new life in a different capacity.
Computer turbine monitor is much more efficient and safer then the controllers of years ago! Push 1 button and walk away for simplicity!
That engine could be 50-years old…. T53 versions are still used in UH-1, Huey and AH-1 Cobra Helicopters. I started on these back during Vietnam, been retired many years ago. Old technology, utterly reliable gas turbines. Have clean air, most any fuel, and a oil/filter change every year or so, and they run forever. Only down side, personal working around those develop a significant hearing loss.
I would also imagine that, like any older turbine design, it is not the most efficient thing around.
Thinking OV-1 Mohawk, used T-53s as well.
WOW! That one is crazy loud too! 😳🤯
Interesting configuration with open high speed shaft and not using a torque tube. Having a torque tube means the turbine can simply sit on a mount that only has to carry the dead weight of the engine. Reactive torque is transmitted along the tube to the front face of the transmission. Much simpler mount. Also much safer in case of a high speed shaft fail or shear pin breakage. Very nice packaging good catch on the Variable Geometry guide vane movement.
YEAH BABY !!
SCREAAAAAM !! 😂😆
Turbine powered technologies, I used to work with these guys a few years back fracing..
I'd love to see one of these burning waste oil from deep fryers. Hell, I'd love to smell it, actually.
Mmmm poutine exhaust.
If you can afford a 2 million dollar generator, you're not running it on waste oil.
nice sound
What model is this? Would be nice to know the BTU output of the gas engine and the torque on the axle
Kind of surprised that these aren't more common in stand by generator setups for buildings with natural gas supplies. All the buildings I've ever been in use diesels / converted diesels. This would make for a way more cleaner power supply.
Turbines use a lot of friggin fuel. Recently helped install a 16.000 hp one, generating 13 megawatts. On diesel it would use 100 metric tonnes per day
“ Turbines use a lot of friggin fuel.”
Large turbines of modern design can be VERY efficient in their operating range. But we’re talking utility scale stuff. Smaller turbines are not very efficient, especially if they are of an older design (like this one).
Probably because the natural gas supply to the building isn't capable of delivering gas at a high enough rate to power one of these. Domestic natural gas supply for running stoves or ovens has a tiny amount of pressure - I've seen gas fitters measure it with a water manometer only 20 cm long, which is equivalent to 14 Torr (mmHg) at most, or 0.018 Bar (0.28 psi). You would need a fuel pump to raise that to the pressure required for the fuel injectors on the gas turbine, which need to operate above the discharge pressure of the gas turbine intake compressor. Even then, using gas at the maximum rate the gas supply pipe to the building can deliver would still probably not be enough. Maybe for a very small gas turbine, assuming that nobody else in the building needs gas for anything. But to deliver fuel to a gas turbine capable of driving a generator to power the whole building? Not likely - which is why generators have their own fuel tanks for that.
We used to have a local gas turbine power station that came on when needed..
Thanks for your sharing
what fuels does this turbine burn, besides gas and methane? does it run on diesel?
How much do all of them cost? And how much r.p.m. do it run for 1 Mw.?
Wonderful
how long would it run on a bottle of calor gas might buy one one sec mabye
Cadê o painel mostrando que está gerando 1MW?
it sound like a m1a2 abrams tank starting up
Id be interested in possibly purchasing one of these units.
We have two to repair
For what?
@@fototoestelletje Power Generation. Portable package has fuel generator.
Kind of like what they use to power Catalina island in California
I think the electrical utility around here uses these sort of things for peak shaving. Just think....this little power plant could power 40 houses with 240V at 100A. Or maybe triple that since it's probably 3-phase.
What frequency standered
I wonder if my neighbors would notice?
how efficient is this gas unit? is it cheaper than burning anthracite?
It is designed to run off of well gas. Which is barely filtered natural gas as it comes out of the ground. It is designed for remote oilfield locations without a commercial electrical grid. In the Vid it is running off compressed Methane.
Matthew Barras
He's asking about efficiency coefficient, as in the energy of the gas in joules versus how much electricity comes out
Matthew Barras do you manufacture these units?
@@MrDeicide1 if you want to run this for one hour, fully loaded, on compressed methane, you would need 28.98 pounds of fuel. of course what the hell are you running that uses 100,000 watts constant load?
I guess that's somewhere around 8300 amps thereabouts. it's if you're running only 120
Crazy eh! You could power a small neighbourgood at peak time with that and it would not even care
Is this more efficient than boiling water and using the steam to turn turbines?
Its actually far less efficient than a steam plant. But when you can set it on a simple foundation anywhere, put it on line in minutes and the fuel comes out of the ground for almost free, it makes sense to install one of these. They are good for remote locations where there are no rivers or lakes, no electrical grid. I was a Field Engineer and installed and overhauled 20-70 Megawatt gas turbine units. They are almost never installed in resort areas. I saw the armpits of the world.
A steam plant takes 2-3 years to build and get on line. GE put a 20 Megawatt gas turbine in somewhere in Vietnam in the 70's in 30 days. Several months is the usual install time. The joke was that a gas turbine is an ''Atmosphere Heater''. But..... put 2 gas turbines side by side, duct the turbine exhausts into a boiler, you have enough heat and steam to run a steam turbine generator for free. Called Combined Cycle Plant, its very efficient.
@@kimmer6 Interesting you say that about relative thermal efficiency. Steam has a huge problem in that the heat of vaporization of water is so high. With gas turbines, that doesn't apply; major factor in efficiency is the compressor's compression ratio, which is steadily being raised as a result of improvements in turbine blade technology. Possibly you're extrapolating from earlier units? Simple economics figure into design.
@@jacquesblaque7728 The latent heat of evaporation is a huge asset, not a ''problem''. You get the energy back that was spent vaporizing steam by the time it gets to the low pressure end of a condensing steam turbine. The last row of steam turbine blades run in a high vacuum, 24 to 26 inches of mercury. The boiler can add tremendous amounts of energy by superheating the steam to where it might be 900psi at 900 degrees F, 482C and 62bar entering the high pressure steam chest throttle valves. All of that energy is turned to work quite efficiently at the turbine rotor. The condensing end of a steam turbine at load is cool to the touch since the energy was removed by the turbine rotor. A non condensing steam engine such as those in old locomotives was very inefficient.
In a simple cycle gas turbine such as a 24 megawatt GE MS5001, the exhaust stack is 13 feet square, 4 meters square. At full load, the combustion gas is at about 1000F or 538C. About 200 pounds per second, 91kg, of air per second is being wasted out the exhaust stack in a tremendous flow. This is terribly inefficient. Aircraft high bypass engines are certainly more efficient, but lightweight helicopter and turboprop turbine engines are fuel hogs with low efficiency. Their advantages are that they are very light weight, simple, compact, and are very reliable and smooth.
There are ''Combined Cycle'' electrical generating plants that have 2 gas turbines exhausting into ducts leading to a steam boiler which powers a single steam turbine generator. The waste heat is recovered and the thermal efficiency is remarkably high.
Do you still work for MTT id love to chat
wow.
Skookum as frig. Guessing the turbine is spinning WAY faster than the generator, is the generator itself basically powered by the exhaust from the turbine? Like is it basically spinning a fan internally?
No. From what I can see on the wiki page, the generator is directly (with 2nd gear reduction, the turbine has an internal reduction set) running off of the main shaft of this turbine. It also has a radial compressor stage (think turbocharger) as its final compression stage. Which I found interesting, because most modern turbines are completely axial.
Is that fuel economical?
Absolutely not. But it's fast to get on line and is reliable.
Could someone please explain the driveline to the reduction gear? Is it direct drive off the compressor? I thought most applications were through an indirect turbine on the turbine side. A diesel guy is curious about things without connecting rods so forgive me for a dumb question. 😬
It works like a torque converter on an automatic transmission. Except it's driven by air instead of ATF.
@@MatthewBarras thank you for clearing that up 👍🏻
i was confused too, exhuast end seemed to be missing the usual power take off turbine/blade set, where as this animal seems to be deriving its power from the suction end of the beast before the compressor stage with that manifold/blade set next to the shaft to the reduction box/generator end, the other give away was the turbine was starting and spinning up ignited before we saw a reaction from the power /reduction box shaft , once it was sucking hard enough , the airflow into the compressor is strong enough to couple with the reduction side like hydrodnyamic lock up. definately a unusual unit but effective and ingenious use of hydrolock effect of high rates of air flow , hope that helps or just confuses the hell out of u, but we both seem to love the " tak tak tak wumph! screeeeee" of a turbine start up! cheers mate from aus!
This engine was originally developed for helicopters. There is a separate power turbine as you say, but the output shaft of the T53 comes out of the cold end, and the shaft runs through the engine from the power turbine at the hot end, concentric with the gas generator shaft. The purpose was to keep the heat away from the rotor reduction gearbox, and that's an asset in the power generation application was well by keeping the heat away from the applied load.
Why am I not surprised that it sounds like a jet engine
Because that's what Jet Engine is, it's a gas turbine simply scaled up. The Abrams tank sounds like a jet, this sounds like a jet, pretty much any gas turbine does.
@@BullsMahunny I already knew that, but I wanted to see if there were any differences, but nah sounds about the same.
@John Woodard Ah shit nice, didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
on 0.53 who saw that thing look like agirl with her hand on her face ,,,,lol,,i know its a part of the engine but took me amint
Imagine this but on a power plant scale
it already exist
Most newer power plants essentially ARE larger versions of this, but with the addition of a steam plant that uses the exhaust of the gas turbine to boil water (ie ‘combined cycle’).
I put these in for GE all over the world. Picture 3 locomotives end to end and that was the gas turbine package. They sent the accessory skid, the gas turbine, and the gearbox and generator unit. The inlet filter house and the exhaust stack took up way more space. All of the pre packaged stuff was designed to fit through railroad tunnels. I did 20 to 65 megawatt units, saw 17 countries..
soft start
using headset rip ears
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Trouble with gas turbine is that they are always noisy.
Disel generators are almost just as noisy. They just produce a different sound than the high pitched whine.
@@jackyclaiborne2142 but you can put them in a sound dampening room where a gas turbine most of the noise comes from the exhaust and there no real way to muffle it with out messing up the airflow.
Maybe it could run a littler faster then it would,be out of our hearing range
@@brettmoore3194 yea that would drive all the dogs in the area crazy also there are some people that can here ultrasonic sound like me every time a walk past an inverter from a roof top solar system the damn sound rapes my ears.
@@phalanx3803 mam or sir