I've got a Ferris and find it to be an excellent machine. My dealer also has an excellent relationship with Ferris. I had reached out to Ferris to find out when the next build was scheduled for the machine I wanted -- none were in inventory anywhere in the northeast except for a dealer demo a couple hundred miles away. Ferris indicated that they had a production run coming up soon... When I was in the dealership the manager told me that the Ferris rep told him there was a guy who really wanted that specific model... The dealer knew it was me and this communication chain enhanced my confidence in the brand. Four of those machines came in one morning and were sold before lunch the same day. Guys were waiting for them... My name was on one of them. It is interesting to note that the Ferris mowers are delivered in reusable steel crating instead of throw away wood and cardboard boxes... The zip lock bag with the manuals is exceptionally strong and reusable. The machine ships with extra nuts that replace the factory installed nuts that are removed for assembly of the controls, etc. They aren't messing around!
Spartan makes great zero turns. I spoke with someone from the company before purchasing and the Welcome kit that they sent me had direct telephone numbers in it. Very pleased after 2 years.
I too had a Husqvarna rider, transaxle leak, at 100 hrs, was 1yr old, it was covered under warranty, the second yr, the same issue, I was told it was not under warranty only being two yrs old, had it repaired, it's now leaking again, Stay away from Husqvarna, and the tuff torq. K46 transaxle, they are pure trash, I got rid of it after the 3rd leak in 5 yrs,it was well taken care of, and it wasn't driven hard,lesson learned,,things aren't built to last anymore
Heath I don't own a lawnmower (live in the desert so no grass) but what you said about documenting everything is spot on. All the issues I've had with my house fire has had me not only saving every text but I have a notebook with dates and times and who I spoke to written down, in this day and age you have to to keep your butt covered
I had the opposite experience with a mower. I bought a Toro zero turn from Forrester Equipment in Woodstock VA. About an hour into the first mowing, the belt broke. I called Forrester, who sent a tech to my house to fix the belt. I was back to mowing in less than an hour. No charge. Forrester Equipment has a customer for life!
That is the type of dealer we are looking to work with for our next purchase. A dealer like that will not only keep you as a customer, but gain customers through recommendations.
I worked at a landscaping company for 20 years running a mowing crew. We always used Scag equipment and it was absolutely the best in my opinion. There were rarely any issues. I have one now that I use on my property and it is a more resin version but it is still a tough well built unit
I got to talk to a Scag engineer a few years ago. We got the first model year of the Tiger Cat II right when it was released. Ended up breaking hydro belts every 50 to 80 hours (we average 400hrs per year on each machine). Dealt with that for a year and a half. Dealer gave us 2 belts at a time so we always had one on hand free of charge. Scag finally figured out what was going on with the first batch of machines. The frame jig was slightly out of alignment. A scag engineer called me to talk about it in depth which was really cool. Scag sent a new frame to the dealer and a week later we had our machine back and never had another hydro belt issue. While the dealer had our machine they loaned us a Toro commercial 60" so we weren't without a machine to use. Love our dealer here in maryland, Rippeon equipment in gaithersburg and westminster. We are just a small company yet they still gave us a loaner. Had the same salesman for 30 years now (Matt). After over 40yrs in business, scag velocity + deck is by far the best deck we've ever cut with and we've used just about all of them. BTW our Ferris FZ60 has those same 3400 hydros with i guess around 800 hours on it now. Just serviced them this spring actually with amsoil hydro fluid and oe filters. You have been told lies about the hydros. Many commercial machines come with the integrated hydro gear units now days. Our Gravely 460's both had ZT-5400 which is the big daddy of the integrated trans axles. One benefit is no cross contamination when something fails. You just got unlucky honestly. Really really unlucky.
I have a 2016 Ferris IS600ZT, IT now HAS A LITTLE OVER 800hrs and the 25hp Briggs&Stratton still runs great, it never had any issues, all that has been done to the mower the Hydrogear drives have had oil changed 3 times they use 20W50 regular motor oil, I use high zink Briggs&Stratton&Stratton straight 30 weight engine oil, change air filters (I wash out the pre cleaner every time I mow the lawn or chop up leaf’s. I can’t brag enough on spring over shocks if you ever get one you will never go back, I have 48” deck it float’s over lawn over lawn and it very rarely will scalp a little bit, this is best mower I’ve ever had.
I tried getting a new snapper pro (a Ferris without the suspension but at $8500 with icd deck and 5400 hydros) but just found out they no longer make them and the simplicity line. Just Ferris now and the Ferris equivalent to the old snapper only has 3200 hydros ☹️ The snappers were a damn good value
WOW! Glad I got my John DeereZ325E ZTrak 54 inch cut from Lowes. Warranty didn't start until first day of delivery. After a few weeks had a steering issue. Lowes picked up the unit and ended up swapping out for a new mower within 2 weeks authorized by John Deere. Warranty (3 year) started over from new delivery date. Had found that John Deere 3 year warranty and Lowes 3 year warranty have a few different perks; in this case having the Lowes extra 3 year warranty was the key in really speeding up our process. Got a follow up not just from Lowes BUT John Deere rep as well and we live out in the country and move 3 1/2 acres. Thanks for your video.
You are welcome, that’s definitely the type of product support I was initially hoping for and didn’t get. Hearing that the John Deere rep checked in as well is nice.
As a past employee of a small engine dealer. When your getting ready to buy your next better mower make the dealer work for you. Meaning asking to demo a unit first. Feel it out see if it's for you. Their are many different brands and each one offers something different, but as I always tell customers. Do your research and write a list of what you want your mower or tractor to do for you.
I was looking at a 12 thousand dollar rig. I asked for a demo. They said I could drive it around their parking lot. I said I needed to operate it in regular conditions for about 20 minutes and then I wanted to see how cleaning out the deck was going to be. They said that wasn't going to happen. At that point I decided I didn't need anything from them. I've still got my 12 thousand dollars too.
Yes mine is a 2002 with an oil burning Kohler I might swap it out with a Kawasaki if possible…it just cuts so well even with a 23.5hp motor with a 60” deck.
@@robertspreitzer8126 those 23.5 hp Kohlers don’t have a good reputation. But I wouldn’t have any problem buying one of their bigger EFI motors. Kawasaki is my favorite though. Two cylinder.
I am glad you are getting your situation resolved. I have the commercial grade Husqvarna more. The good thing with is the dealer support we have here. They take care of there customers after they sell you the product..
Thanks for the two reviews. Husqvarna M series really isn't commercial, I have PZ series which is. I have a PZ 5426. Which has. Been great for last 4 years with 500+ hours. Only issue was having to replace deck switch until this year. Recently the engine started cutting out. Frankly I'm finding most dealers to be useless. They was to sell machines but rarely provide good service afterwards. My only suggestion is get the mechanics repair manual and do the repairs it yourself. Most dealers in our area provide inconsistent service at ridiculous prices. Good luck on finding a quality machine these days. Thus far I've heard nothing but complaints about ever make on the market and it general starts with the dealer.
Hey Heath. In the last ten years or so I’ve had 4 bad boy 72 inch mowers. Well built strong mowers. My dealer went out of business a couple years ago. So last year I bought a 72 inch Ferris. Great mower. Rides like a Cadillac. I bought another last month. I really like the Ferris. They ain’t cheap. But ya get what ya pay for. Best of luck on your mower.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been thrashed around in heavy equipment over 45 years and was more than happy to pay the price of admission for my 2200. Nice ride and great cutting results. As mentioned, you get what you pay for. 👍👍🇺🇸
I just commented on your other video. I must admit when I was looking at mowers, a Husky was not on my list. I did purchase a Cub Cadet just because of the price and reviews. Most people really like theirs. I ordered it online and got it for a crazy cheap price. It's been good, but with so many options I can't help but wonder if I made the right choice. Guess if I have problems with it, I can always sell it and buy a Bad Boy or Gravely Arians,etc. But for now I like it and like yourself went with the Kawasaki engine. I think they are the best choice.Guess you learned a lesson about doing your research. I think we can all relate to that. You give a lot of good information in this video and should be a must watch for anyone looking into purchasing a new mower. Good luck and thank you for your honesty.
@hardworkingmanoutdoors opinions are split about Cub Cadet mowers. I read all the replies on tons of mower videos, and one thing stood out to me. The people that actually own them, like them. I'm sure it will be fine. I just let negative comments get in my head. I have owned it for around a year, and I must say I like it also. I guess that's the bottom line. You need to be happy with it.
I’ve ran a Ferris 1S2100Z. It’s been trouble free, got it in 2020 brand new currently it has 190hrs of hard use mowing acreages. The ride is excellent the only thing to watch out for is the vanguard engine has burned oil since brand new. The oil guard system helps but this one doesn’t have it. Would definitely recommend
Great points! Always do your research and read/watch all the reviews on products, manufacturers, and dealers. I can definitely recommend a Ferris mower. I picked up my ISX 800 and, being an engineer, it is truly an engineer's machine. The design is exceedingly well done. Very controllable, awesome comfort (3 hours on bumpy ground and my chronic back never complained), bulletproof, and incredibly easy to clean and maintain. I was amazed how it never bogged down cutting 2 ft high May grass, including the adjacent clippings, leaving a 5-inch cut track that was almost perfect. I visited three dealers within an hour of me. I went with the one that didn't try to upsell me or wasn't very organized when getting me a simple quote, and the one with the most positive reviews. A small, family-owned business that responds immediately and takes time to explain how each OEM works, or not, with them.
Bought a Deer z530r mower a week ago and have used it a couple times. It has the comfort glide seat standard. My yard is 2 acres and not smooth at all. I’m amazed at the comfort and build of this thing. It was pricey at $ 6500 but I’m well satisfied. Best of luck with your mower. I’ve learned through years of experience with farm equipment that anything with that green paint is expensive, but with the customer service and reliability it’s worth it.
I had the same experience with a JD self-propelled walk behind. That model didn't have good luck with the transmission. I couldn't get JD to stand behind the machine. I haven't bought a JD product since (30 years ago).
It’s definitely frustrating. One bad experience like that with a dealer, not standing behind a product as all it takes sometimes to lose a customer and probably several other customers forever.
I used a Snapper Z-rider, 22 hp Kohler, 72”. Used when I bought it, great well built machine, mowed 3 very hilly acres for 18 years. The BIG problem the EATON hydros, OBSOLETE and no parts available. Looking at Scag Turf Tiger , Bad Boy, Bobcat, Exmark.Tora.
We looked at a lot of of those same brands and there are some awesome mowers available. We’ve visited dealers, driven mowers, etc., and will be debuting our new mower soon it is awesome.
Great videos. I have 3 acres to mow and had a good running home owner level Cub Cadet zero turn 54” deck but the suspension was non existent and I had to stop to refuel the tank before running out for 3 acres. This was two years ago. Wanted to upgrade and wanted suspension for my back and neck and a price I can afford. $5000 was my budget and didn’t think I would find what owned but did. Went to a great city over Midwest Equipment that sold great Ferris mowers. Looked them over and the Ferris 3300 model was built like a tank but way out of my budget for $18000. It was their top of the line. I wanted a commercial built mower that for me to last my 3 acres for 20 plus years with always doing basic maintenance myself and dealer hydros oil changes and being on top of it. So started looking for a used Ferris zero turns and towards the end of summer another nearby city John Deere dealer had a used Ferris 3100z big block that had documented 250 hrs and was a 2012 model year and one owner. Thats right 250 hours for at the time a 10 year old Ferris zero turn. They had the paperwork, current dealer service and the last owner bought a new JD tractor tor his property. He used the Ferris for fine tuning the grass around his house and the tractor for the rest. They why the low hours. Anyhow the JD dealer wanted $5500 for the Ferris and I offered $4000. They agreed to $4500 and it’s been two years later now and haven’t had one issue. This Ferris 3100 z is built like a tank with suspension that’s unbelievable smooth and I added the suspension seat to have twice the suspension. I change my oil, sharpen my blades twice during season, the Ferris has dual gas tanks and I can mow my 3 acres with one tank, switch to other tank for next time mowing and need to top off both tanks for next mowing. Compared to refueling Cadet for only one mow. So I would recommend a low hour used commercial mower if you can done one. That’s the hard part.
Wow, you got an awesome deal on that mower. We looked at Ferris and they do look like really well built and extremely comfortable machines. I agree $18,000 is a bit out of my reach right now but if I could find a deal like you got, I would jump on it!
A very good video, you covered this very well, in the past I've been burned because I didn't pay attention to warranties or went with verbal agreements and never documented anything. A person needs to document everything now.😊
Heath, great video for folks shopping for a mower, or any type of outdoor power equipment. I've had my Husqvarna ZT for 12 years (approx.. 380 hrs) and it finally sprung a leak on the crankcase gasket that I'm repairing right now. Other than that, it has been great mower. I've had the opportunity to operate several brands of ZT mowers, and if money were no object, Kubota (ZD series) or Scag would be my choice. Where I lived in SC, the most common commercial mowers were Scag, Kubota, Dixie Chopper, Exmark & Grasshopper. In the North, I see a lot of Ferris, Hustler along with Exmark and Scag. But most of these mowers are bouncing around the $10K price tag...which is more than I'm willing to spend for residential.
I bought a Bad Boy Maverick HD 60" earlier this year, so far so good. Good dealer support was promised, we'll see. It was 3-4k more than the Husky at my local hardware store but I'm hoping the dealer support will make the difference over the long haul.
Excellent point about checking out your dealer. JD dealers more interested in brand loyalty than customer satisfaction. Now days service is optional, everybody wants your money and a “like” but don’t want to put any effort into doing the job. Always keep a paper trail for your own protection.
I have owned a lot of mowers over the years as I run a small mowing company and the worst one I ever had was a Husqvarna "commercial" grade mower. The pos had something break almost every time I used it.
Good information. I hope you make more videos about your Mower, situation and solution. Personally, so far I’ve had a very good interaction with my dealership when purchasing my Bad Boy Mower. I personally have not reached out to Bad Boy manufacturing, but I haven’t had to. So far I love my mower for what I am using it for. Good luck in purchasing your new zero Turn Mower.
Thank you, I will be making a few more videos. Bad boy is on my shortlist and I did call the company and talk to a person immediately. That was refreshing.
I bought an Exmark Radius 48" cut. It is made of very heavy gauge steel and I bought the upgraded seat for comfort. Clarksville Equipment is my dealer and their service has been excellent. I bought this mower after looking at a John Deere, Cub Cadet, Kubota and SCAG all from dealers. No box store mowers for me.
I responded to your last video and crickets. I really do have the same unit and love it, like your buddy and I have property similar to yours. For most people the criteria are 1 Price point for entry level commercial, 2 get the best engine and transmission and a fabricated welded together deck. 3 Warranty and dealer. I would challenge anyone to say they ever spoke directly to lets say GE, Maytag, Ford, GM, Toyota etc... That all goes through a reputable dealer. I have never needed warranty work on mine so I have to believe you on that. I chose mine as you chose this on the entry commercial is better than Residential. The trans axles are serviceable, and Kawasaki is a highly rated engine. Solid deck etc. Yes, you can go up in price, but you are correct you will most likely still get a Hydro Gear axle. Even Scag uses them. I got books on all 3 as separate warranty's with mine. Engine, Trans and Husky components, chassis. Good luck with the next purchase, I fully agree to educate one's self. I don't need a 4000 hour mower warranty so I didn't spend 20 grand either. I do about 100 hours a year at most using mine. If I was going to do that I'd buy a Steiner unit with attachments.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors I have heard Badboy is excellent. Here in Ohio Trctor supply sells, but through a dealer you can get a better one. Probably 12 grand though with Kawasaki not a Vanguard. ( Briggs)
i used to buy scag mowers they were always broken and cost me a fortuine i bot a huscavarna 60 had for 10 years always works good the bad it overheats on the trailer from sun the whiring harness messed up i had to override the starter with pushbutton and if it gets rained on wont start for 2 days so if u understand that its a good mower for the price and i like the roll bar down it lifts the branches up under trees dont have it up will flip u up if u hits a branch
I have a 16 year old JD tractor style mower with AWS. It is air cooled. Well over 1k hours with zero hydro issues. It is used hard. Change the oil once per year and sharpen the blades twice per year . Sorry you had to go through this ordeal.
If a nice cushy ride is a factor, do not try out an ISX 2200 Ferris. They are a bit pricey but well worth it . If You try one, you will want nothing else, don’t say I didn’t warn Ya! 😅😅👍. Thanks for the update.
Interesting, for my needs I get a couple of old rider mowers that don't run, cobble up a frankenstein mower and get it done. My favorite engine? The old B&S opposed twin.
I bought a Toro self propelled walk behind at a big box store, check the oil every time I use it, and the piston rod bolts lost torque, and threw rod at the beginning of the second season.The manufacturer and the big box store refused to stand behind it. The one time I didn’t buy from a dealer that I always use!
In my research, for a new lawnmower, I ended up buying a Toro 30" self propelled from a dealer. I found that the model #s are slightly different between the seemingly same mowers that are sold in the box stores than the dealerships. There's more than 1 reason why the box stores sell cheaper.
Several years ago I was going in the lawn mowing business and I decided that I was not going to cheap out so I went to the John Deere dealer locally. I could have gone other places and saved money but I said no I'm going to go where they're going to take good care of me.... within 2 months they closed their doors and I was right back where I started. No, didn't see that coming.😅
Ferris are the Cadillac of mowers,lots,of money but the old saying you get what you pay for says a lot.I commented in your last video that I mow about three acres with an ISX800,61 in deck. Works great and no problems at all at 158 hrs so far.
I got a new Arians Ikon last year mainly because of the deck and the engine and they make Gravely mower also, I mow a cemetery 2 acres. I got from a dealer that sells John Deere, Toro, Arians, Gravely and are one of the biggest sellers in the state. Second mower I got from them
I'd always bought used mowers off of private people, and just kept 'em going myself. I really enjoy mowing and was getting tired of having to fix stuff after every time or two that I'd mow...so I just bought a new Toro Titan Max ($7500). Well...having a new mower is no diffrent than having a used one...except it's a lot more expensive! Nuts and bolts fell out before I even used it once! Deck carrier was falling half off, and one hydro is slower than the other.... But at least it's carbureted.....that EFI stuff is a nightmare (and expensive) to deal with. Carb I can fix myself in the field even, if need be. No mower needs the complication and delicateness of EFI!
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors Amen, man! I think I have the bugs worked out of mine and have all of the adjustments perfect (So much for "dealer service"...they apparently did zero prep!). Just glad I went carbureted- and with a manual choke, no less- would hate to have to think of what nightmares might lay in wait if it were EFI! Bestof luck with yours too!
I have a smaller husqvarna zero turn. Grandpa bought it brand new in 2008, its almost at a 1000 hrs and still runs like a top. I've had a husqvarna awd push mower for 5 years and still starts on the first pull. I also had a standard riding tractor from husqvarna. I am normally not a brand person but me and family have had nothing but great experiences with husqvarna. Also get it serviced by the same small mom and pop shop every spring.
I bought a new mower, hoping I would not have to keep working on my old mower. Turns out it didn’t work out for me that time. Hopefully my next purchase will be more successful. I’m doing a lot more research into the brand and dealership before I spend my money again.
The power of social media! Not only for information that is good but to also point out and help others when you have a situation like yours! Using it in moderation and not taking advantage of it is powerful! I’m glad you got some closure on this Heath👊🏻🇺🇸
My buddy was set on a badboy then he decided on spartan mower and I convinced him to look at other brands and we compared my old kubota z421 60 mower, my new deere Z760r mower, and bobcat 6000 mower. He got a great deal on the bobcat zt6000. It was new and 2 years old and the dealer needed it gone. 3yr or 3000hr warranty. My deere Z760r came with bumper to bumper 4yr or 1000hr warranty.
I bought a new Husqvarna Riding Mower and Weedeatwer from a local dealer. On the second mowing the rearend went out on the mower and the weedeater wouldn’t start I took both back to dealer . They fixed them . Then with in months the rearend went out again on the mower . And continued to have issues thru out the years now the engine and transmission are locked down . But weedeater still runs . I’ll never but another !!!
I have reached out to several as well as I will not buy a machine from a company. I cannot get a hold of moving forward. I feel it is important to be able to talk to a person if needed. Some thing I never thought about until I had my issues with the Husqvarna mower.
i bought a bad boy zero turn about 12 years ago cost about what you paid and i have not had any issues. im not promoting any brand but i recommend talking to a small motor repair shop for there thoughts on a good zero turn. good luck sorry about your troubles.
It's a good video in my situation I had a tendency to trust in a dealer it's my first time buying from a dealer also I was considering a purchase of a lawn tractor to replace zero mower mostly because of the ride and thinking about a Husqvarna riding mower but now
I used to own a Lesco commercial grade z-turn. It was flawless, but I still grew tired of mowing so I got a Luba 5000 robotic mower for my 1.2 acre yard. I am beyond satisfied with my purchase. It mows the lawn every couple of days and keeps my lawn looking constantly freshly cut with nice diamond patterns.
Your zero turn fail video is how I found your channel and I’m really enjoying it. New subscriber here, I’m going through your back log of videos. I’m in Ann Arbor Michigan and just run a small lawn service with my brother. Very helpful info and I like the way you talk and describe things-you’re very relatable and I appreciate it. Looking forward to watching your videos and seeing new content. 💪🏼👍🏼
Thank you, we really appreciate feedback like this. It is extremely helpful. I’m glad you are enjoying the channel and we hope to continue to improve. Thanks again for the feedback and welcome to the channel.
I know you have already made a purchase, but I would like to put my hat in the ring and say Ariens makes lovely little mowers. I have a 42" Edge, and its a tough mower for a small residential mower. more well built than most ones its size, while being made of high quality materials. It cuts well and can do a lot for their base line mower, and their commercial mowers look great as well. On top of that, I have yet to have an issue with service work, which though is mostly due to the dealer, the dealer and I both seem to enjoy Ariens service and how quick they are to respond when they are needed. Now, TBF, the edge does ride rough since it doesnt have any suspension beyond some spring seats, nor any casters -the 52' model does-, and a few other small issues, but most of it is due to it being their cheaper model, whereas their more expensive ones have these features, and seem to be well reviewed as well. On top of that, they are assembled in Wisconsin, so you know it was made somewhere where they care about the product.
I was a teacher and never made much money and always bought used, small riding mowers. About 10 years ago I broke down and finally bought a new, what I thought was a nice riding mower. I got a 26 HP, 54" Husqvarna and it was nice. In less than 2 years, I was mowing, and the axel broke. It didn't even outlast the battery. Husqvarna would not fix it and to this day I have not been able to talk to anyone from Husqvarna. At the same time, I was having a problem with one of their saws. I used Husky saws for years. After this situation I will not own anything from Husqvarna. Once you buy anything from Husqvarna you will NEVER get any help from them. I now run Echo saws and Have a John Deere mower.
My old Husky 372 XP has been a fantastic chainsaw! Their new Husky chainsaws are junk by comparison! Husky is doomed as they have brought this on themselves!!!! BYE FOREVER!!!!!
We have a John Deere Ztrack 950. It's 5yrs old now. It has well over 300hrs on it and it still runs like it is brand new. We bought it from a local dealer and they have been good to us. They actually called 6 months after we bought the mower just to see how things were going and to let us know that the first oil change was due and it was covered.
I’ve had a couple Husqvarna commercial trimmers, one for over 10 years, with no issues. But I run Scag Tiger Cat II zero turn and have been very happy.
My Simplified Citation has two pumps and two wheel motors. It's a 2007 and i just had my first hydro line blow after over 800 hours on it. They say that it is a commercial mower, but to me it is just a well built zero turn mower. Something that I have noticed though. It weighs 250 to 300 lbs more than anything at TSC, or Rual King. To me that says something right there. However, they stopped making them September of 2023.
@hardworkingmanoutdoors Well the ride was another reason that I bought the Simplicity Citation. It has front and rear shocks on it. I tried a Bad Boy and a Gravely out before I bought it, and to me it had a better ride. I always change my hydro filter every year, and the motor oil when it starts to change color. A guy that has worked on Bobcat skid loaders and small engines for over 40 years told me that if you want a small engine to last, to change the oil as soon as it starts turning brown. He said that the brown is impurities like carbon or dirt in the oil.
Been on the fence between Husqvarna, Cub Cadet and John Deere coming from a 2006-2007 Troybilt Pony bought used from a dealer. Discovered Cub Cadet is not MTD and Husqvarna had also been bought out. Between this video, and other points, I am done buying Husqvarna as a company. I’m still deciding, but learning John Deere. Thanks for your video!
I am glad I found your video. I am going through this myself. I am looking for a new zero I have been happy with Ariens 46 but like you said I need something bigger. Badboy is the way I am going to go. But until I watch the head to head.
You done alot of research over what happen to your mower and alot of people learned alot from this I say. Warranty does not always work the way we think it's going to like buying it in the off season,s which reduces months of it there like you said. Other things you mentioned. Lot of your time went into this situation but hopefully your next buy will have good reviews and better luck. All the best to you bud.
You made an excellent video at the perfect time for me. I personally just today wrapped up a poor experience with Scag and a dealer. A lot of you went through I went through. Some my fault, some not. I was sold a new 2021 SFC 21 walk behind last year, which was wrong. I should have been sold a 2023 model. Unknown to me, that model had at least one major recall to the drive system. So add one more to your expansive list: check the manufacture date, and then see if anything is a known problem! If the mower has sat for awhile, don't buy unless it's a current model. I had the mower taken in last fall to have the issue corrected, thinking I went to get ahead of this before it gets worse beau the mower was already acting up. Last month the belt was burning up and had a chuck missing. Not good. Scag has never reached out to me, my dealer has been solid but not outstanding, and communication should be better. No way a mower for $2500 be be costing me money right now, but just did. And it's been one month being in the shop. Not even a year in yet on ownership!! So, without rambling too much, you are far from alone. Sometimes it's in our control and other times it's not. Dealers can be very iffy and companies are very fickle with what they cover and don't. Your experience is far to common and the money lost by the customer is understated. I know I can't pay out large repair bills when I shouldn't be, especially if a person is being responsible and following the manual. Again, great video here by a good person that actually wants to help! Less of this type of video on TH-cam by the passing year. Thanks!
Sorry you've had a similar experience! When you put up the amount of money it costs to buy one of these machines, you have reasonable expectations of longevity. It shouldn't be this hard to have issues repaired or defective machines replaced. Companies should stand behind their product.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors couldn't have said it better or agree more. I even asked, in emails, if I could speak to the company or even get a replacement. Nope. Got it back last week at a $223 repair bill and not a year old yet. On top of being sold a dated machine with known issues. No more in the future for me. I definitely excepted longevity from an American made company and certainly thought they'd stand behind it. I was wrong. But, I could be an isolated case too.. so I won't say 'don't buy' because I have had plenty of bad luck here to last few years.
I bought a 2013 Ford Escape brand new from a dealer. Fourth time I did that. Although I got excellent customer service, this new model design had Lemon Law worthy recalls. I even bought an extended warranty! I had planned tondruve itnuntilnthe wheels fell off, but with 156,000 miles, Indin't think I will be able to last 200,000 miles without major repairs. NEVER buy a new model the first year it comes out. Wait until the third year so they can work the bugs out. Happy with my Toro Timecuter SS 4235 that I bought used for $1400. Just added a Cub Cadet XG1 GT50" to my collection. Purchased it used for $950. Spent $750 fixing it up, plus a new battery, and I think it will last as long as my Toro.
Ya I'm On my 3rd zero turn from 2016 till now first was a hustler which got in a trade which had 6 months good home owner mower traded it in got $1000 for it got a Kubota 421 new was$ 7500 without the trade in with the hydro 3600 54in cut sold it in 2021 with 267hours now I have a gravely 252
Warranty are big thing with me longer the better so far only have 95hours on my gravely and love it throws the grass far away from u and don't bogg down until u get into the knee high bahia grass we have here in east tx but if u go slow around the 5mph it's fine but for a 27hp it's great alot of the bigger hp mowers do some thing but u just got take your time and it be fine
I just sold my kubota kommander pro z421 60cut. Had 269hrs and only replaced blades. I went to john deere to get more hp and a bagger system. The z700 series's kubota mower cost more than than the mower and bagger system from john deere for a Z760r 60 cut. That's really the only reason I got the deere.
After buying aToro zero turn at first i loved it but now after multiple problems I wouldn’t buy another! I want a commercial Scag I want to mow not work on it. You never know till you buy something!
This is so true, I was in the same boat. I have heard a lot of good things about Toro, but I have heard a fair amount of negative as well. Scagg is on the top of my list for my next mower. Along with a few others.
Most professional landscaping companies I see use Toro!! Thats why I bought one and have had it for 4 years 0 issues and cut 4 acres of grass. I would definitely go the Toro route next time 🙂
I have a spartan mower 54 inch cut residential and it is well built and mows well and I have not had a moments issue with this mower and I have had it since 2021 and if I was gonna buy another mower I would buy a spartan 100 times over they were bought out by Toro after I bought my mower but I don't think the actual spartan has changed it's still a good mower.
Thank you for this/these videos. I'll be in a position to be looking for a good (buy it once) more for our homestead project in the next year or so. Reliability, durability and support are king in my book. I'm willing to spend more if it is truly worth the cost for a better piece of equipment over the long term.
David, they did not fix my mower but did end up taking it back in. I no longer have to deal or worry with it. I will be looking into other brands for my next purchase.
My current rider is a John Deere x739. I’ve had a Kubota 326d commercial zero turn. Both companies make “fairly” inexpensive options; especially lower end JD models carried by Lowe’s etc. My rider isn’t lower end and costs 3 or 4 times as much as what’s offered at box stores. I bought it in 2017 at zero percent interest and just checked: I owe $298 lol. It’s been a fantastic mower for me. However, since you’re wanting a zero turn, I can’t help beyond the model mentioned.
Before buying zero turns or any ride ons, check the engine details, wheel motor make and model and mower spindles, you can research all these components and what other brands use these components….then you can read them brands and reviews from pro landscapers. Thanks for an excellent video 👍🏾
I'm glad to hear, that the owner is a sane person who's aim is to run business in a proper way. Yeah, i know that experience to buy something from a dealer to have a friend who can help, ended up proven your are innocent but convicted guilty. Yeah, there are lots of type of equipment, but it's always costly, sometimes way more than you would expect, like Ventrac brand for example. It's an industry grade tractor, with an array of a fine attachments, but pricetag is a kill. Think you for a video once again.
Good day. I am a workshop manager at a store in South Africa. We are well known is SA to misuse power products. One brand that really stands out above the rest when referring to durability is without a doubt GRASSHOPPER.
Spot on sir all u advise!!! I learned and got confirmation on my already learned reasons to get: Documentation Documentation Documentation. Papers; names; quotes of those u talk to... I won with a bank; a eqipment supply dealer; a hospital; a Restore manager; and recently the County Taxation office, plus let me add, Geico which got me all that was owed me from their at fault customer who totaled my car br his fault 100%. Its a jungle to survive in, so keep up the good work. Whoops, i forgot the Collection agencies the my unfair medical bill/debt was sold to, and tried to bully me but could do nothing once i was advised by a friend the racket ot it all l. 😊
I HAVE A TORO 50 WITH THE KAWI MOTOR AND MANUFACTURED DECK (NO ISSUES) BOUGHT IT AT HOME DEPOT,ALSO IVE PUT FLUID IN THE TIRES BIG CHANGE IN THE RIDE AND GRIP
Great video. I have a Deere residential zero turn but desperately need an upgrade. Been looking and reading a lot. Leaning towards Bad Boy and Spartan. By me the dealers for both is great. My Deere dealer is amazing but the cost for what I need is way too high. That’s my turn off with another one. Thank you for sharing
When you go to a place like north center farm supply. You get a price from the owner if you need service you speak to the owner and if you need warranty you speak to the owners because they are the only ones who write you up. No passing it off to someone else lost in the shuffle.
I almost didn’t click your video, I thought it was going to be just another cringy click bait pile of-… but I’m sure glad I did! I’m not sure how much of your stuff will apply to me, but I’ll subscribe just for your humble demeanor
Do you really need a zero turner mower for your grass cutting needs? Would a a PTO finish mower, flail mower or brush hog for your tractor do just as good as a job?
My yard is in the regular shape and has a lot of trees, grapevine, pond, etc. zero turn saves us tons of time a tractor with a three-point mower would take forever.
I agree, however, they put those units on their mower and should support their product to some extent. I know there are other manufactures who stand behind their products even when they are not responsible for the warranty because they chose to put the Hydro gear or whatever brand transmissions or engines in their mowers.
Kubota Cub Cadett, & Bad Boy are entry level commercial too. There is Toro. Then there are all the rest. Specifically Toro Commercial/Exmark. Toro residential is a separate company that compares to the worst. Toro Professional, Scag, Ferris, Hustler, Walker, Wright are all great. Cheap lawnmowers bleed you on repairs. Until you trade it in on a new crappy mower and start it all over again.
I had a big issue with a Polaris Brutus side by side, $30k. Polaris picked up the unit and refunded my entire 30k plus tax. They admitted it was defective and quit making the Brutus. Polaris was a very cooperative company.
I've got a Ferris and find it to be an excellent machine. My dealer also has an excellent relationship with Ferris. I had reached out to Ferris to find out when the next build was scheduled for the machine I wanted -- none were in inventory anywhere in the northeast except for a dealer demo a couple hundred miles away. Ferris indicated that they had a production run coming up soon... When I was in the dealership the manager told me that the Ferris rep told him there was a guy who really wanted that specific model... The dealer knew it was me and this communication chain enhanced my confidence in the brand. Four of those machines came in one morning and were sold before lunch the same day. Guys were waiting for them... My name was on one of them.
It is interesting to note that the Ferris mowers are delivered in reusable steel crating instead of throw away wood and cardboard boxes... The zip lock bag with the manuals is exceptionally strong and reusable. The machine ships with extra nuts that replace the factory installed nuts that are removed for assembly of the controls, etc. They aren't messing around!
Wow! That's awesome. They definitely aren't messing around with those shipping materials.
Check out Collinsville power equipment in Farmington Ct. I just purchase 3100 series. Mark has many in stock.
Heath you are a good man. Very understanding and honest. I hope you stay who you are as a good person. God bless.
Thank you, Paul, I tried to be a good example for my kids. No plans on changing.
Spartan makes great zero turns. I spoke with someone from the company before purchasing and the Welcome kit that they sent me had direct telephone numbers in it. Very pleased after 2 years.
That's huge! Glad you had a great experience!
I too had a Husqvarna rider, transaxle leak, at 100 hrs, was 1yr old, it was covered under warranty, the second yr, the same issue, I was told it was not under warranty only being two yrs old, had it repaired, it's now leaking again, Stay away from Husqvarna, and the tuff torq. K46 transaxle, they are pure trash, I got rid of it after the 3rd leak in 5 yrs,it was well taken care of, and it wasn't driven hard,lesson learned,,things aren't built to last anymore
Heath I don't own a lawnmower (live in the desert so no grass) but what you said about documenting everything is spot on. All the issues I've had with my house fire has had me not only saving every text but I have a notebook with dates and times and who I spoke to written down, in this day and age you have to to keep your butt covered
Oh man, from what I've heard, house fire insurance claims are a nightmare! Glad you figured out asap to document everything! Best of luck to you!
I had the opposite experience with a mower. I bought a Toro zero turn from Forrester Equipment in Woodstock VA. About an hour into the first mowing, the belt broke. I called Forrester, who sent a tech to my house to fix the belt. I was back to mowing in less than an hour. No charge. Forrester Equipment has a customer for life!
That is the type of dealer we are looking to work with for our next purchase. A dealer like that will not only keep you as a customer, but gain customers through recommendations.
I worked at a landscaping company for 20 years running a mowing crew. We always used Scag equipment and it was absolutely the best in my opinion. There were rarely any issues. I have one now that I use on my property and it is a more resin version but it is still a tough well built unit
We checked out the Scag mowers and they are well built for sure.
I got to talk to a Scag engineer a few years ago. We got the first model year of the Tiger Cat II right when it was released. Ended up breaking hydro belts every 50 to 80 hours (we average 400hrs per year on each machine). Dealt with that for a year and a half. Dealer gave us 2 belts at a time so we always had one on hand free of charge. Scag finally figured out what was going on with the first batch of machines. The frame jig was slightly out of alignment. A scag engineer called me to talk about it in depth which was really cool. Scag sent a new frame to the dealer and a week later we had our machine back and never had another hydro belt issue. While the dealer had our machine they loaned us a Toro commercial 60" so we weren't without a machine to use. Love our dealer here in maryland, Rippeon equipment in gaithersburg and westminster. We are just a small company yet they still gave us a loaner. Had the same salesman for 30 years now (Matt). After over 40yrs in business, scag velocity + deck is by far the best deck we've ever cut with and we've used just about all of them.
BTW our Ferris FZ60 has those same 3400 hydros with i guess around 800 hours on it now. Just serviced them this spring actually with amsoil hydro fluid and oe filters. You have been told lies about the hydros. Many commercial machines come with the integrated hydro gear units now days. Our Gravely 460's both had ZT-5400 which is the big daddy of the integrated trans axles. One benefit is no cross contamination when something fails. You just got unlucky honestly. Really really unlucky.
Yeah, I've learned a lot about these machines since posting the video. Thank you for sharing your experience!
I have a 2016 Ferris IS600ZT, IT now HAS A LITTLE OVER 800hrs and the 25hp Briggs&Stratton still runs great, it never had any issues, all that has been done to the mower the Hydrogear drives have had oil changed 3 times they use 20W50 regular motor oil, I use high zink Briggs&Stratton&Stratton straight 30 weight engine oil, change air filters (I wash out the pre cleaner every time I mow the lawn or chop up leaf’s.
I can’t brag enough on spring over shocks if you ever get one you will never go back, I have 48” deck it float’s over lawn over lawn and it very rarely will scalp a little bit, this is best mower I’ve ever had.
Thanks! The Ferris are nice for sure. We picked up a Bad Boy Rogue and the suspension is awesome! We also now have a Yakta which is sweet as well.
Glad to hear your situation is getting resolved. I purchased a Ferris. Really like it. Its a smaller commercial but perfect for me.
I tried getting a new snapper pro (a Ferris without the suspension but at $8500 with icd deck and 5400 hydros) but just found out they no longer make them and the simplicity line. Just Ferris now and the Ferris equivalent to the old snapper only has 3200 hydros ☹️ The snappers were a damn good value
I do want to look at the Ferris mowers.
WOW! Glad I got my John DeereZ325E ZTrak 54 inch cut from Lowes. Warranty didn't start until first day of delivery. After a few weeks had a steering issue. Lowes picked up the unit and ended up swapping out for a new mower within 2 weeks authorized by John Deere. Warranty (3 year) started over from new delivery date. Had found that John Deere 3 year warranty and Lowes 3 year warranty have a few different perks; in this case having the Lowes extra 3 year warranty was the key in really speeding up our process. Got a follow up not just from Lowes BUT John Deere rep as well and we live out in the country and move 3 1/2 acres. Thanks for your video.
You are welcome, that’s definitely the type of product support I was initially hoping for and didn’t get. Hearing that the John Deere rep checked in as well is nice.
As a past employee of a small engine dealer. When your getting ready to buy your next better mower make the dealer work for you. Meaning asking to demo a unit first. Feel it out see if it's for you. Their are many different brands and each one offers something different, but as I always tell customers. Do your research and write a list of what you want your mower or tractor to do for you.
Thank you for the advice, John.
I was looking at a 12 thousand dollar rig. I asked for a demo. They said I could drive it around their parking lot. I said I needed to operate it in regular conditions for about 20 minutes and then I wanted to see how cleaning out the deck was going to be. They said that wasn't going to happen. At that point I decided I didn't need anything from them. I've still got my 12 thousand dollars too.
@larryspiller6633 awesome, 👍that's the way to do it.
Great advice!
I glad the original dealer reached out to you purchasing your mower for purchase price! Your doing a great job with these video, about you story!
Thank you, we are glad as well and will have a new mower soon!
I have a very used older Exmark and when I call Exmark directly they always answer and are very helpful I’m going to buy a new Lazer Z next year.
Exmark is the standard of the industry. You can’t buy better.
Eye-watering price. But it will outlive cheaper mowers.
Yes mine is a 2002 with an oil burning Kohler I might swap it out with a Kawasaki if possible…it just cuts so well even with a 23.5hp motor with a 60” deck.
@@robertspreitzer8126 those 23.5 hp Kohlers don’t have a good reputation.
But I wouldn’t have any problem buying one of their bigger EFI motors.
Kawasaki is my favorite though. Two cylinder.
That's exactly the kind of customer service I'm talking about!
I am glad you are getting your situation resolved. I have the commercial grade Husqvarna more. The good thing with is the dealer support we have here. They take care of there customers after they sell you the product..
A great dealer makes all the difference in the world.
Thanks for the two reviews. Husqvarna M series really isn't commercial, I have PZ series which is. I have a PZ 5426. Which has. Been great for last 4 years with 500+ hours. Only issue was having to replace deck switch until this year. Recently the engine started cutting out.
Frankly I'm finding most dealers to be useless. They was to sell machines but rarely provide good service afterwards.
My only suggestion is get the mechanics repair manual and do the repairs it yourself. Most dealers in our area provide inconsistent service at ridiculous prices. Good luck on finding a quality machine these days. Thus far I've heard nothing but complaints about ever make on the market and it general starts with the dealer.
Check out Yakta! A new brand from a solid parent company and a very well built mower!
Hey Heath. In the last ten years or so I’ve had 4 bad boy 72 inch mowers. Well built strong mowers. My dealer went out of business a couple years ago. So last year I bought a 72 inch Ferris. Great mower. Rides like a Cadillac. I bought another last month. I really like the Ferris. They ain’t cheap. But ya get what ya pay for. Best of luck on your mower.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve been thrashed around in heavy equipment over 45 years and was more than happy to pay the price of admission for my 2200. Nice ride and great cutting results. As mentioned, you get what you pay for. 👍👍🇺🇸
Thank you, Tim and Brian, I will be looking at Ferris and bad boy for my next mower.
Appreciate the follow up video. Glad to know the owner is stepping up to make positive changes in their processes.
Yes, me too! Thanks for watching!
I just commented on your other video. I must admit when I was looking at mowers, a Husky was not on my list. I did purchase a Cub Cadet just because of the price and reviews. Most people really like theirs. I ordered it online and got it for a crazy cheap price. It's been good, but with so many options I can't help but wonder if I made the right choice. Guess if I have problems with it, I can always sell it and buy a Bad Boy or Gravely Arians,etc. But for now I like it and like yourself went with the Kawasaki engine. I think they are the best choice.Guess you learned a lesson about doing your research. I think we can all relate to that. You give a lot of good information in this video and should be a must watch for anyone looking into purchasing a new mower. Good luck and thank you for your honesty.
Hopefully you have great luck with your mower, I am definitely doing a lot more research before my next purchase.
@hardworkingmanoutdoors opinions are split about Cub Cadet mowers. I read all the replies on tons of mower videos, and one thing stood out to me. The people that actually own them, like them. I'm sure it will be fine. I just let negative comments get in my head. I have owned it for around a year, and I must say I like it also. I guess that's the bottom line. You need to be happy with it.
I’ve ran a Ferris 1S2100Z. It’s been trouble free, got it in 2020 brand new currently it has 190hrs of hard use mowing acreages. The ride is excellent the only thing to watch out for is the vanguard engine has burned oil since brand new. The oil guard system helps but this one doesn’t have it. Would definitely recommend
Good info! Thanks!
Great points! Always do your research and read/watch all the reviews on products, manufacturers, and dealers.
I can definitely recommend a Ferris mower. I picked up my ISX 800 and, being an engineer, it is truly an engineer's machine. The design is exceedingly well done. Very controllable, awesome comfort (3 hours on bumpy ground and my chronic back never complained), bulletproof, and incredibly easy to clean and maintain. I was amazed how it never bogged down cutting 2 ft high May grass, including the adjacent clippings, leaving a 5-inch cut track that was almost perfect.
I visited three dealers within an hour of me. I went with the one that didn't try to upsell me or wasn't very organized when getting me a simple quote, and the one with the most positive reviews. A small, family-owned business that responds immediately and takes time to explain how each OEM works, or not, with them.
Sounds like a great machine and great dealer experience! Thanks for sharing
Bought a Deer z530r mower a week ago and have used it a couple times. It has the comfort glide seat standard. My yard is 2 acres and not smooth at all. I’m amazed at the comfort and build of this thing. It was pricey at $ 6500 but I’m well satisfied. Best of luck with your mower. I’ve learned through years of experience with farm equipment that anything with that green paint is expensive, but with the customer service and reliability it’s worth it.
Youll probably regret buying a jd product yet
You can't beat great customer service!
I had the same experience with a JD self-propelled walk behind. That model didn't have good luck with the transmission. I couldn't get JD to stand behind the machine. I haven't bought a JD product since (30 years ago).
It’s definitely frustrating. One bad experience like that with a dealer, not standing behind a product as all it takes sometimes to lose a customer and probably several other customers forever.
I agree we have used Doug’s small engine I have bought two scags love that company. Wonderful mower
Hearing lots of Scag recommendations in the comments!
I used a Snapper Z-rider, 22 hp Kohler, 72”. Used when I bought it, great well built machine, mowed 3 very hilly acres for 18 years.
The BIG problem the EATON hydros, OBSOLETE and no parts available.
Looking at Scag Turf Tiger , Bad Boy, Bobcat, Exmark.Tora.
We looked at a lot of of those same brands and there are some awesome mowers available. We’ve visited dealers, driven mowers, etc., and will be debuting our new mower soon it is awesome.
Great videos. I have 3 acres to mow and had a good running home owner level Cub Cadet zero turn 54” deck but the suspension was non existent and I had to stop to refuel the tank before running out for 3 acres. This was two years ago.
Wanted to upgrade and wanted suspension for my back and neck and a price I can afford. $5000 was my budget and didn’t think I would find what owned but did. Went to a great city over Midwest Equipment that sold great Ferris mowers.
Looked them over and the Ferris 3300 model was built like a tank but way out of my budget for $18000. It was their top of the line. I wanted a commercial built mower that for me to last my 3 acres for 20 plus years with always doing basic maintenance myself and dealer hydros oil changes and being on top of it.
So started looking for a used Ferris zero turns and towards the end of summer another nearby city John Deere dealer had a used Ferris 3100z big block that had documented 250 hrs and was a 2012 model year and one owner. Thats right 250 hours for at the time a 10 year old Ferris zero turn. They had the paperwork, current dealer service and the last owner bought a new JD tractor tor his property. He used the Ferris for fine tuning the grass around his house and the tractor for the rest. They why the low hours.
Anyhow the JD dealer wanted $5500 for the Ferris and I offered $4000. They agreed to $4500 and it’s been two years later now and haven’t had one issue. This Ferris 3100 z is built like a tank with suspension that’s unbelievable smooth and I added the suspension seat to have twice the suspension. I change my oil, sharpen my blades twice during season, the Ferris has dual gas tanks and I can mow my 3 acres with one tank, switch to other tank for next time mowing and need to top off both tanks for next mowing. Compared to refueling Cadet for only one mow.
So I would recommend a low hour used commercial mower if you can done one. That’s the hard part.
Wow, you got an awesome deal on that mower. We looked at Ferris and they do look like really well built and extremely comfortable machines. I agree $18,000 is a bit out of my reach right now but if I could find a deal like you got, I would jump on it!
A very good video, you covered this very well, in the past I've been burned because I didn't pay attention to warranties or went with verbal agreements and never documented anything. A person needs to document everything now.😊
Yes, we do. Not everyone is as honest as you are.
We bought 5 acres and are building a house. I just purchased a Bad Boy Rogue 61” with Kawasaki FX-1000V. Already mowed once with it. Thing is a beast!
We drove the Rogue, it is a beast for sure and so comfortable!
You put a lot into that video, thanks, it is well worth the watch, and that is something I appreciate about the comradery of the Firewood channels.
Thank you, Ed. I really appreciate the feedback.
Heath, great video for folks shopping for a mower, or any type of outdoor power equipment. I've had my Husqvarna ZT for 12 years (approx.. 380 hrs) and it finally sprung a leak on the crankcase gasket that I'm repairing right now. Other than that, it has been great mower. I've had the opportunity to operate several brands of ZT mowers, and if money were no object, Kubota (ZD series) or Scag would be my choice. Where I lived in SC, the most common commercial mowers were Scag, Kubota, Dixie Chopper, Exmark & Grasshopper. In the North, I see a lot of Ferris, Hustler along with Exmark and Scag. But most of these mowers are bouncing around the $10K price tag...which is more than I'm willing to spend for residential.
Thanks for the info!
I bought a Bad Boy Maverick HD 60" earlier this year, so far so good. Good dealer support was promised, we'll see. It was 3-4k more than the Husky at my local hardware store but I'm hoping the dealer support will make the difference over the long haul.
Thank you, Fab. Bad boy is definitely on my list for my next mower.
Excellent point about checking out your dealer. JD dealers more interested in brand loyalty than customer satisfaction. Now days service is optional, everybody wants your money and a “like” but don’t want to put any effort into doing the job. Always keep a paper trail for your own protection.
People must have really bad luck.with JD dealers. I own several green tractors and implements and have never had a bad experience with a dealer.
I'll be a lot more aware and cautious with my next purchase!
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors bought a new one a year ago . Never had a dealer problem with JD. Parts availability is second to none.
I have owned a lot of mowers over the years as I run a small mowing company and the worst one I ever had was a Husqvarna "commercial" grade mower. The pos had something break almost every time I used it.
Thank you for the information, I have heard far too many stories like this with their mowers to ever consider one again myself.
I’m shopping for a new mower at this time to replace my 18 year old Gravely. Excellent advice in this video.
Thank you, we’re doing what we can to help after having a less than great expert with our last mower purchase.
Parts and service is another reason i like. Huster you call huster you can get a hold of someone .
You can get a hold of Yakta too and they do their best to get the new part to your door within 24 hours!!
Good information. I hope you make more videos about your Mower, situation and solution. Personally, so far I’ve had a very good interaction with my dealership when purchasing my Bad Boy Mower. I personally have not reached out to Bad Boy manufacturing, but I haven’t had to. So far I love my mower for what I am using it for.
Good luck in purchasing your new zero Turn Mower.
Thank you, I will be making a few more videos. Bad boy is on my shortlist and I did call the company and talk to a person immediately. That was refreshing.
I bought an Exmark Radius 48" cut. It is made of very heavy gauge steel and I bought the upgraded seat for comfort. Clarksville Equipment is my dealer and their service has been excellent. I bought this mower after looking at a John Deere, Cub Cadet, Kubota and SCAG all from dealers. No box store mowers for me.
Thank you for the feedback, I have looked at the ex Mark mowers as well and they do seem like nice machines.
I responded to your last video and crickets. I really do have the same unit and love it, like your buddy and I have property similar to yours. For most people the criteria are 1 Price point for entry level commercial, 2 get the best engine and transmission and a fabricated welded together deck. 3 Warranty and dealer. I would challenge anyone to say they ever spoke directly to lets say GE, Maytag, Ford, GM, Toyota etc... That all goes through a reputable dealer. I have never needed warranty work on mine so I have to believe you on that.
I chose mine as you chose this on the entry commercial is better than Residential. The trans axles are serviceable, and Kawasaki is a highly rated engine. Solid deck etc. Yes, you can go up in price, but you are correct you will most likely still get a Hydro Gear axle. Even Scag uses them. I got books on all 3 as separate warranty's with mine. Engine, Trans and Husky components, chassis.
Good luck with the next purchase, I fully agree to educate one's self. I don't need a 4000 hour mower warranty so I didn't spend 20 grand either. I do about 100 hours a year at most using mine. If I was going to do that I'd buy a Steiner unit with attachments.
Sorry, I have been trying to catch up to comments! I have learned so much since posting the first video, I hopefully can not make the same mistake 2x!
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors I have heard Badboy is excellent. Here in Ohio Trctor supply sells, but through a dealer you can get a better one. Probably 12 grand though with Kawasaki not a Vanguard. ( Briggs)
i used to buy scag mowers they were always broken and cost me a fortuine i bot a huscavarna 60 had for 10 years always works good the bad it overheats on the trailer from sun the whiring harness messed up i had to override the starter with pushbutton and if it gets rained on wont start for 2 days so if u understand that its a good mower for the price and i like the roll bar down it lifts the branches up under trees dont have it up will flip u up if u hits a branch
Glad you had better luck.
I have a 16 year old JD tractor style mower with AWS. It is air cooled. Well over 1k hours with zero hydro issues. It is used hard. Change the oil once per year and sharpen the blades twice per year .
Sorry you had to go through this ordeal.
They don't nearly make them like that anymore.
Glad you've had a good experience with your JD!
If a nice cushy ride is a factor, do not try out an ISX 2200 Ferris. They are a bit pricey but well worth it . If You try one, you will want nothing else, don’t say I didn’t warn Ya! 😅😅👍. Thanks for the update.
Lol! Rachel does a lot of the mowing too, might have to keep her away from the dealer haha.
Interesting, for my needs I get a couple of old rider mowers that don't run, cobble up a frankenstein mower and get it done. My favorite engine? The old B&S opposed twin.
I grew up picking up fixer uppers and getting what I could out of them with my dad.
I bought a Toro self propelled walk behind at a big box store, check the oil every time I use it, and the piston rod bolts lost torque, and threw rod at the beginning of the second season.The manufacturer and the big box store refused to stand behind it.
The one time I didn’t buy from a dealer that I always use!
In my research, for a new lawnmower, I ended up buying a Toro 30" self propelled from a dealer. I found that the model #s are slightly different between the seemingly same mowers that are sold in the box stores than the dealerships. There's more than 1 reason why the box stores sell cheaper.
I've heard similar experience from big box stores!
Several years ago I was going in the lawn mowing business and I decided that I was not going to cheap out so I went to the John Deere dealer locally. I could have gone other places and saved money but I said no I'm going to go where they're going to take good care of me.... within 2 months they closed their doors and I was right back where I started. No, didn't see that coming.😅
Oh my gosh! That's unfortunate.
Ferris are the Cadillac of mowers,lots,of money but the old saying you get what you pay for says a lot.I commented in your last video that I mow about three acres with an ISX800,61 in deck. Works great and no problems at all at 158 hrs so far.
Love to hear good experiences!
I got a new Arians Ikon last year mainly because of the deck and the engine and they make Gravely mower also, I mow a cemetery 2 acres. I got from a dealer that sells John Deere, Toro, Arians, Gravely and are one of the biggest sellers in the state. Second mower I got from them
I have it too. 52 inch, love it. 3 years no problems.
@@CitizenOfBabylon
My trailer would not haul anything bigger then a 48” deck, I really wanted the 60” deck
Good to hear!
I'd always bought used mowers off of private people, and just kept 'em going myself. I really enjoy mowing and was getting tired of having to fix stuff after every time or two that I'd mow...so I just bought a new Toro Titan Max ($7500). Well...having a new mower is no diffrent than having a used one...except it's a lot more expensive! Nuts and bolts fell out before I even used it once! Deck carrier was falling half off, and one hydro is slower than the other.... But at least it's carbureted.....that EFI stuff is a nightmare (and expensive) to deal with. Carb I can fix myself in the field even, if need be. No mower needs the complication and delicateness of EFI!
I used to do that as well. But I was hoping to buy a dependable mower and not have to work on it so much. Hopefully our new mowers accomplish this!
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors Amen, man! I think I have the bugs worked out of mine and have all of the adjustments perfect (So much for "dealer service"...they apparently did zero prep!). Just glad I went carbureted- and with a manual choke, no less- would hate to have to think of what nightmares might lay in wait if it were EFI! Bestof luck with yours too!
Glad I bought a Ferris, best ride out there.
And also wonderful cut. 👍👍🇺🇸
I will definitely be looking into Ferris for my next mower.
Same problem less than 100hr right hydo went out on mz52 mine was bought online Husqvarna will not contact me bac I buying a scag Cheetah Great Video!
So frustrating! I really liked the Scag Cheetah!!
I have a smaller husqvarna zero turn. Grandpa bought it brand new in 2008, its almost at a 1000 hrs and still runs like a top. I've had a husqvarna awd push mower for 5 years and still starts on the first pull. I also had a standard riding tractor from husqvarna. I am normally not a brand person but me and family have had nothing but great experiences with husqvarna. Also get it serviced by the same small mom and pop shop every spring.
Sounds like you’ve had a good run and a great shop to use.
I'm deciding on whether to buy a new mower or tune up my old
I bought a new mower, hoping I would not have to keep working on my old mower. Turns out it didn’t work out for me that time. Hopefully my next purchase will be more successful. I’m doing a lot more research into the brand and dealership before I spend my money again.
The power of social media! Not only for information that is good but to also point out and help others when you have a situation like yours! Using it in moderation and not taking advantage of it is powerful! I’m glad you got some closure on this Heath👊🏻🇺🇸
Thanks Todd. Social Media sure is powerful!
My buddy was set on a badboy then he decided on spartan mower and I convinced him to look at other brands and we compared my old kubota z421 60 mower, my new deere Z760r mower, and bobcat 6000 mower. He got a great deal on the bobcat zt6000. It was new and 2 years old and the dealer needed it gone. 3yr or 3000hr warranty. My deere Z760r came with bumper to bumper 4yr or 1000hr warranty.
Nice!
The Wright Stander zero turn is the premier mower. I am totally impressed with wright.
I looked at Wright mowers the other day. They do look nice.
I bought a new Husqvarna Riding Mower and Weedeatwer from a local dealer. On the second mowing the rearend went out on the mower and the weedeater wouldn’t start I took both back to dealer . They fixed them . Then with in months the rearend went out again on the mower . And continued to have issues thru out the years now the engine and transmission are locked down . But weedeater still runs . I’ll never but another !!!
Ugh! so frustrating!
I have reached out to 2 brands of lawn equipment. Cub Cadet and DR. Both easy to get to talk to a person
I have reached out to several as well as I will not buy a machine from a company. I cannot get a hold of moving forward. I feel it is important to be able to talk to a person if needed. Some thing I never thought about until I had my issues with the Husqvarna mower.
i bought a bad boy zero turn about 12 years ago cost about what you paid and i have not had any issues. im not promoting any brand but i recommend talking to a small motor repair shop for there thoughts on a good zero turn. good luck sorry about your troubles.
It's a good video in my situation I had a tendency to trust in a dealer it's my first time buying from a dealer also I was considering a purchase of a lawn tractor to replace zero mower mostly because of the ride and thinking about a Husqvarna riding mower but now
Thank you, I’ve learned a lot and hopefully I can help some others along the way.
KILLER VIDEO HEATH, I DON'T NEED A MOWER. BUT THE SAME ADVICE WORKS ON JUST ABOUT ANYTHING. GOOD ALL-AROUND ADVICE. STAY COOL, PEACE...
You are right.
Yes, it does, thank you.
They are located Nashville ,Arkansas (now moving to Brazil),my Husqvarna clutch fell out 1st year,beginning 2nd year bearing turned blue
I can only imagine that moving out of country will make their customer service even less desirable if that’s possible.
I used to own a Lesco commercial grade z-turn. It was flawless, but I still grew tired of mowing so I got a Luba 5000 robotic mower for my 1.2 acre yard. I am beyond satisfied with my purchase. It mows the lawn every couple of days and keeps my lawn looking constantly freshly cut with nice diamond patterns.
Interesting! Good to hear.
Your zero turn fail video is how I found your channel and I’m really enjoying it.
New subscriber here, I’m going through your back log of videos. I’m in Ann Arbor Michigan and just run a small lawn service with my brother.
Very helpful info and I like the way you talk and describe things-you’re very relatable and I appreciate it.
Looking forward to watching your videos and seeing new content. 💪🏼👍🏼
Thank you, we really appreciate feedback like this. It is extremely helpful. I’m glad you are enjoying the channel and we hope to continue to improve. Thanks again for the feedback and welcome to the channel.
I know you have already made a purchase, but I would like to put my hat in the ring and say Ariens makes lovely little mowers. I have a 42" Edge, and its a tough mower for a small residential mower. more well built than most ones its size, while being made of high quality materials. It cuts well and can do a lot for their base line mower, and their commercial mowers look great as well. On top of that, I have yet to have an issue with service work, which though is mostly due to the dealer, the dealer and I both seem to enjoy Ariens service and how quick they are to respond when they are needed. Now, TBF, the edge does ride rough since it doesnt have any suspension beyond some spring seats, nor any casters -the 52' model does-, and a few other small issues, but most of it is due to it being their cheaper model, whereas their more expensive ones have these features, and seem to be well reviewed as well. On top of that, they are assembled in Wisconsin, so you know it was made somewhere where they care about the product.
That is some good info. I have heard a lot of positive comments on both Ariens and Gravely mowers and a lot of my friends have them. Thank you.
My Exmark LazerZ is a beast! Sticks to a hillside, runs great and cuts awesome! ($16,000 mower)
Thanks, I just looked at them the other day.
I was a teacher and never made much money and always bought used, small riding mowers. About 10 years ago I broke down and finally bought a new, what I thought was a nice riding mower. I got a 26 HP, 54" Husqvarna and it was nice. In less than 2 years, I was mowing, and the axel broke. It didn't even outlast the battery. Husqvarna would not fix it and to this day I have not been able to talk to anyone from Husqvarna. At the same time, I was having a problem with one of their saws. I used Husky saws for years. After this situation I will not own anything from Husqvarna. Once you buy anything from Husqvarna you will NEVER get any help from them. I now run Echo saws and Have a John Deere mower.
My buddy had a similar experience on his riding husky. It's a shame such a well known company won't stand behind their products!
My old Husky 372 XP has been a fantastic chainsaw! Their new Husky chainsaws are junk by comparison! Husky is doomed as they have brought this on themselves!!!! BYE FOREVER!!!!!
Same here!!! My Boycott is Forever!!!!
Bad Boy is gonna be my next lawnmower!!!
We have a John Deere Ztrack 950. It's 5yrs old now. It has well over 300hrs on it and it still runs like it is brand new. We bought it from a local dealer and they have been good to us. They actually called 6 months after we bought the mower just to see how things were going and to let us know that the first oil change was due and it was covered.
Love hearing a good dealer story! Thanks for sharing
I’ve had a couple Husqvarna commercial trimmers, one for over 10 years, with no issues. But I run Scag Tiger Cat II zero turn and have been very happy.
Hearing good things about Scag!
Glad to hear your getting the support you deserve.
Thank you. Me too.
My Simplified Citation has two pumps and two wheel motors. It's a 2007 and i just had my first hydro line blow after over 800 hours on it. They say that it is a commercial mower, but to me it is just a well built zero turn mower. Something that I have noticed though. It weighs 250 to 300 lbs more than anything at TSC, or Rual King. To me that says something right there. However, they stopped making them September of 2023.
I view hydro lines as general maintenance especially at 800 hours, that’s a good run. The heavier machines tend to ride a little smoother as well.
@hardworkingmanoutdoors Well the ride was another reason that I bought the Simplicity Citation. It has front and rear shocks on it. I tried a Bad Boy and a Gravely out before I bought it, and to me it had a better ride. I always change my hydro filter every year, and the motor oil when it starts to change color. A guy that has worked on Bobcat skid loaders and small engines for over 40 years told me that if you want a small engine to last, to change the oil as soon as it starts turning brown. He said that the brown is impurities like carbon or dirt in the oil.
@@Arnold-x6d I had not heard that before, I do run Amsoil and ethanol, free fuel and all of my equipment and believe that definitely helps as well.
Been on the fence between Husqvarna, Cub Cadet and John Deere coming from a 2006-2007 Troybilt Pony bought used from a dealer. Discovered Cub Cadet is not MTD and Husqvarna had also been bought out. Between this video, and other points, I am done buying Husqvarna as a company. I’m still deciding, but learning John Deere. Thanks for your video!
Thank you! Glad my experience can help others.
I am glad I found your video. I am going through this myself. I am looking for a new zero I have been happy with Ariens 46 but like you said I need something bigger. Badboy is the way I am going to go. But until I watch the head to head.
Glad my video has helped you out! Badboy is definitely at the top of my list, still doing some research though.
You done alot of research over what happen to your mower and alot of people learned alot from this I say. Warranty does not always work the way we think it's going to like buying it in the off season,s which reduces months of it there like you said. Other things you mentioned. Lot of your time went into this situation but hopefully your next buy will have good reviews and better luck. All the best to you bud.
Thank you! I've learned so much in the comments from all of you, I am definitely coming into the next purchase much more prepared.
You made an excellent video at the perfect time for me. I personally just today wrapped up a poor experience with Scag and a dealer. A lot of you went through I went through. Some my fault, some not.
I was sold a new 2021 SFC 21 walk behind last year, which was wrong. I should have been sold a 2023 model. Unknown to me, that model had at least one major recall to the drive system. So add one more to your expansive list: check the manufacture date, and then see if anything is a known problem! If the mower has sat for awhile, don't buy unless it's a current model.
I had the mower taken in last fall to have the issue corrected, thinking I went to get ahead of this before it gets worse beau the mower was already acting up. Last month the belt was burning up and had a chuck missing. Not good. Scag has never reached out to me, my dealer has been solid but not outstanding, and communication should be better. No way a mower for $2500 be be costing me money right now, but just did. And it's been one month being in the shop. Not even a year in yet on ownership!!
So, without rambling too much, you are far from alone. Sometimes it's in our control and other times it's not. Dealers can be very iffy and companies are very fickle with what they cover and don't. Your experience is far to common and the money lost by the customer is understated. I know I can't pay out large repair bills when I shouldn't be, especially if a person is being responsible and following the manual.
Again, great video here by a good person that actually wants to help! Less of this type of video on TH-cam by the passing year. Thanks!
Sorry you've had a similar experience! When you put up the amount of money it costs to buy one of these machines, you have reasonable expectations of longevity. It shouldn't be this hard to have issues repaired or defective machines replaced. Companies should stand behind their product.
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors couldn't have said it better or agree more. I even asked, in emails, if I could speak to the company or even get a replacement. Nope. Got it back last week at a $223 repair bill and not a year old yet. On top of being sold a dated machine with known issues. No more in the future for me. I definitely excepted longevity from an American made company and certainly thought they'd stand behind it. I was wrong. But, I could be an isolated case too.. so I won't say 'don't buy' because I have had plenty of bad luck here to last few years.
I bought a 2013 Ford Escape brand new from a dealer. Fourth time I did that. Although I got excellent customer service, this new model design had Lemon Law worthy recalls. I even bought an extended warranty!
I had planned tondruve itnuntilnthe wheels fell off, but with 156,000 miles, Indin't think I will be able to last 200,000 miles without major repairs.
NEVER buy a new model the first year it comes out. Wait until the third year so they can work the bugs out.
Happy with my Toro Timecuter SS 4235 that I bought used for $1400. Just added a Cub Cadet XG1 GT50" to my collection. Purchased it used for $950. Spent $750 fixing it up, plus a new battery, and I think it will last as long as my Toro.
New models can definitely have issues. Glad you had a good dealer.
I appreciate your detailed honest video. It's very helpful.
You are welcome, we do what we can to help others. Learn as we are learning. We will have more videos to come.
Ya I'm On my 3rd zero turn from 2016 till now first was a hustler which got in a trade which had 6 months good home owner mower traded it in got $1000 for it got a Kubota 421 new was$ 7500 without the trade in with the hydro 3600 54in cut sold it in 2021 with 267hours now I have a gravely 252
Probably be last mower I'll ever need
Warranty are big thing with me longer the better so far only have 95hours on my gravely and love it throws the grass far away from u and don't bogg down until u get into the knee high bahia grass we have here in east tx but if u go slow around the 5mph it's fine but for a 27hp it's great alot of the bigger hp mowers do some thing but u just got take your time and it be fine
I just sold my kubota kommander pro z421 60cut. Had 269hrs and only replaced blades. I went to john deere to get more hp and a bagger system. The z700 series's kubota mower cost more than than the mower and bagger system from john deere for a Z760r 60 cut. That's really the only reason I got the deere.
Nice! I'm hearing great things about the Gravely.
After buying aToro zero turn at first i loved it but now after multiple problems I wouldn’t buy another! I want a commercial Scag I want to mow not work on it. You never know till you buy something!
This is so true, I was in the same boat. I have heard a lot of good things about Toro, but I have heard a fair amount of negative as well. Scagg is on the top of my list for my next mower. Along with a few others.
Most professional landscaping companies I see use Toro!! Thats why I bought one and have had it for 4 years 0 issues and cut 4 acres of grass. I would definitely go the Toro route next time 🙂
Good to know! I've seen a lot of guys recommending Toro in the comments.
I have a spartan mower 54 inch cut residential and it is well built and mows well and I have not had a moments issue with this mower and I have had it since 2021 and if I was gonna buy another mower I would buy a spartan 100 times over they were bought out by Toro after I bought my mower but I don't think the actual spartan has changed it's still a good mower.
Thank you for the feedback, my brother has a spartan mower and likes it as well. I went and looked at them today, they do look like nice mowers.
Thank you for this/these videos. I'll be in a position to be looking for a good (buy it once) more for our homestead project in the next year or so. Reliability, durability and support are king in my book. I'm willing to spend more if it is truly worth the cost for a better piece of equipment over the long term.
I am in the same boat. I am currently doing a lot of research into brands and dealers and will be posting some follow up videos with what I find out.
Did they fix your mower???? And thank you I was looking now I think going to Xmarks.
David, they did not fix my mower but did end up taking it back in. I no longer have to deal or worry with it. I will be looking into other brands for my next purchase.
My current rider is a John Deere x739. I’ve had a Kubota 326d commercial zero turn. Both companies make “fairly” inexpensive options; especially lower end JD models carried by Lowe’s etc. My rider isn’t lower end and costs 3 or 4 times as much as what’s offered at box stores. I bought it in 2017 at zero percent interest and just checked: I owe $298 lol. It’s been a fantastic mower for me. However, since you’re wanting a zero turn, I can’t help beyond the model mentioned.
Thank you, Mark, yes the quality riders are nice but with my yard there’s just too many turns trees, etc. the zero turn makes more sense.
Before buying zero turns or any ride ons, check the engine details, wheel motor make and model and mower spindles, you can research all these components and what other brands use these components….then you can read them brands and reviews from pro landscapers. Thanks for an excellent video 👍🏾
Good tips! Thank you
I'm glad to hear, that the owner is a sane person who's aim is to run business in a proper way.
Yeah, i know that experience to buy something from a dealer to have a friend who can help, ended up proven your are innocent but convicted guilty.
Yeah, there are lots of type of equipment, but it's always costly, sometimes way more than you would expect, like Ventrac brand for example. It's an industry grade tractor, with an array of a fine attachments, but pricetag is a kill.
Think you for a video once again.
Thank you for commenting!
Good day. I am a workshop manager at a store in South Africa. We are well known is SA to misuse power products. One brand that really stands out above the rest when referring to durability is without a doubt GRASSHOPPER.
Appreciate the input, Grasshopper definitely seems to be a great machine and quality company.
Good video Heath! Definitely will be helping a lot of people be better consumers. Good job filming Rachel!
Thanks Jeff!
The entry level Altoz I have rides pretty good. We have 5 acres and it does great
They do look like a nice machine.
Spot on sir all u advise!!!
I learned and got confirmation on my already learned reasons to get:
Documentation
Documentation
Documentation.
Papers; names; quotes of those u talk to...
I won with a bank; a eqipment supply dealer; a hospital; a Restore manager; and recently the County Taxation office, plus let me add, Geico which got me all that was owed me from their at fault customer who totaled my car br his fault 100%. Its a jungle to survive in, so keep up the good work.
Whoops, i forgot the Collection agencies the my unfair medical bill/debt was sold to, and tried to bully me but could do nothing once i was advised by a friend the racket ot it all l. 😊
You've had to learn how to navigate it all!
I HAVE A TORO 50 WITH THE KAWI MOTOR AND MANUFACTURED DECK (NO ISSUES) BOUGHT IT AT HOME DEPOT,ALSO IVE PUT FLUID IN THE TIRES BIG CHANGE IN THE RIDE AND GRIP
Good to hear!
Great video. I have a Deere residential zero turn but desperately need an upgrade. Been looking and reading a lot. Leaning towards Bad Boy and Spartan. By me the dealers for both is great. My Deere dealer is amazing but the cost for what I need is way too high. That’s my turn off with another one. Thank you for sharing
Definitely lots to consider!
My Toro Zero turn, belt broke first time out and battery lasted 3 months. Neither covered by the dealer.
That's insane!
So the guy at ball didnt tell you to bring it back??
You mean after seeing this video? No. We have since worked something out that I'll be sharing in an upcoming video with some updates.
When you go to a place like north center farm supply. You get a price from the owner if you need service you speak to the owner and if you need warranty you speak to the owners because they are the only ones who write you up. No passing it off to someone else lost in the shuffle.
That's great customer service right there!
I just a the Z254F and its a great mower so far
Hopefully it lasts you a long time and works great for you over the years.
I almost didn’t click your video, I thought it was going to be just another cringy click bait pile of-… but I’m sure glad I did! I’m not sure how much of your stuff will apply to me, but I’ll subscribe just for your humble demeanor
No click bait here! May be cringy though lol.
Do you really need a zero turner mower for your grass cutting needs? Would a a PTO finish mower, flail mower or brush hog for your tractor do just as good as a job?
Simple answer, no.
My yard is in the regular shape and has a lot of trees, grapevine, pond, etc. zero turn saves us tons of time a tractor with a three-point mower would take forever.
I work at a government housing agency and we only use eXmark mowers. We’ve had some of them for 15 years now.
I've heard great things about Exmark!
Really the mower manufacturer dosnt make the drives or the motor so pick what drives and what engine combo you want along with what paint color.
I agree, however, they put those units on their mower and should support their product to some extent. I know there are other manufactures who stand behind their products even when they are not responsible for the warranty because they chose to put the Hydro gear or whatever brand transmissions or engines in their mowers.
Go with the mower brand that has the best most reputable dealer in your area and that is close to you
The dealer is key I'm learning!
@@hardworkingmanoutdoors dealer support is the most important thing
Kubota Cub Cadett, & Bad Boy are entry level commercial too.
There is Toro. Then there are all the rest.
Specifically Toro Commercial/Exmark.
Toro residential is a separate company that compares to the worst.
Toro Professional, Scag, Ferris, Hustler, Walker, Wright are all great.
Cheap lawnmowers bleed you on repairs. Until you trade it in on a new crappy mower and start it all over again.
Yeah, that's what I'm learning! Thanks for the info.
I had a big issue with a Polaris Brutus side by side, $30k. Polaris picked up the unit and refunded my entire 30k plus tax. They admitted it was defective and quit making the Brutus. Polaris was a very cooperative company.
That is definitely much better customer service and support.