Should you go to audio school?
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As a professor of sound engineering, I teach the scientific and procedural fundamentals of recording technology and practice. I do not guide the creative direction of my student, but rather I encourage the student to express themselves. Now to be forthright, most of my students will never become audio engineers. Too many of them come to college to get credentials in something that tickles their curiosity in order to get a job. But that is not likely to work out for them as an audio engineer. What they lack is a hungry vision, a sense of meaningful purpose, and a desire to excel at the art of audio production. However, in the end, the student who is inspired will learn in my classroom. But, in truth, they could learn anywhere. If they have the motivation to overcome naïveté and the aptitude, they can do this on almost any path they choose. Yes, the scientific insights and practical approaches are learned by most of my students. And this knowledge is essential, but what makes someone an audio engineer requires far more than just the knowledge, they need an undenied love to create. And if they have that, the knowledge will come to them when they seek it from wherever it can be found.
I can fully relate to, and appreciate the wisdom of the above comment. IMHO, very wise words Bob! My regards.
That is very useful man really appreciate it I recently enrolled in my course and I'm actually thinking that it's a load of shite and I need to actually realise what I need to do In my career I have thats hungry vision I can't really see myself doing anything else
@@michaelbrindley3487 thanks, I would emphasize that a formal education CAN BE superior to an informal education. However that is only true for those who were already on that path. All others are likely wasting their time. And unfortunately, a formal approach to education can also be dumbed down by the professor in order to accommodate the less serious student. If the professor is watering down the instruction, it is time to either go elsewhere or use the opportunity to do far more than what the professor demands.
Thanks bob
That’s me
I have to agree with Joe. I realized too late into music school that i was way more into production and song writing than playing what professors tell you to. I'm thankful that i kept going though, I'm an elementary music teacher now and it is probably the most fun i have ever had working. Yes my dream has slowed down a bit because i am so much busier than in college, but i have the security and comfort so i can continue working on my music and learning about music production. I feel like these videos and tips and courses and books we have available online, thanks to people like you, are helping so many people like me realize that we can learn at our own pace and still keep that dream alive.
Joe, I’ve been following you for about a year now, since I pulled my old AudioBox USB out of the closet and fired up Studio One Artist again. I very quickly saw that you are ideologically motivated to help others. Your instruction is selfless, super informative, and really useful to eager learners like me. (Active hobbyist) Value indeed. I’m now almost a month into being part of your VIP forum, and I have to say I am proud to chip in my tiny contribution to your mission. That April 2021 livestream was a most engaging two hours, but the best part was your generosity and obviously genuine level of stoke. The connections I’m making with like-minded people in the forum is well worth the small investment. But far more than that is the association with you, sir. You are an authentic light in the world, and we need more like you. Thank you for what you do.
i already have a private business, when im not bz i make music so i can play it in the car during traffic and it makes me relax , the longer the traffic more i get to listen to my music, then i'm not stressed at all. hehe ...
I totally agree Joe! Take that money and invest in yourself by building your own. The music industry is not set up like the regular 9 to 5 workforce. Most music industry jobs comes through who you know, not how many letters (alphabet soup) behind your name. Thank you so very much for your transparency, and for sharing.
Thanks for always giving us what we need to hear Joe 🙏
An old saying.... If you do what you love, you'll never "work" a day in your life. I've had a home studio for 40 yrs and work in it part time . I still love doing it. Great advice from Joe.
I learned so much from this channel! Seriously your videos are priceless.
lmao when you said if you have 70 or 80 grand lying around than go for it . I felt that so heavy
I'm glad I found this page
I’m very lucky in that I work self employed as a software developer, which means I have the perfect excuse for my own space in the house to work (I built a log cabin in the garden).
Therefore I can maintain it as a studio environment as that’s my passion, as long as I keep the desk clear for my day job! And it’s fine to have people come in to record them.
Over the years I’ve been able to do paid audio/video work for people, that’s the joy of being self employed - having the flexibility to mix work which makes you tick, if you have the chance you can shuffle things around - something you can’t do in fixed employment as it would involve booking holiday/time off.
But you have to work hard and be disciplined, and it’s easy to lose family time as work and home overlap incredibly easy.
Joe, you are wise beyond your years. Your sage advice has been, and continues to be helpful. Your courses have personally helped me improve in many areas. This info is priceless and a gift to anyone interested in music and recording. Thank you!
Much appreciated vid man! I feel like I've landed in a spot where I need to get things going in my life and this video is just the right timing I feel.
Joe's videos are valuable to me. . He's very knowledgeable, clear, to the point, and an awesome presenter. Thanks Joe!
Yup, you made very valid points, and then counterpointed everything. But you still broke it down nicely. Yes, I stuck til the end! Thanks Joe!
Great video Joe. I agree 100% about the value exchange mentality.
Hey Joe! Some us older guys (59) are also free from family responsibilities, independent and eager to make our musical mark. Don't leave us out :)
Thanks a lot :) loving your stuff as always
Iain
You got that right. I'm 50.
Hey, I'm older than BOTH you guys (by over a decade) and still lovin' Joe's vids and excitement with making music and songwriting a part of my life. Still learning how to track and produce a song that other people may actually like listening to. Not interested in creating a studio and getting clients .. that's true. But, Joe has a perspective that really makes my day. Just hope my hearing holds out for another decade or two. LOL
@@rayweyland Good to know ya! and good luck with it all. I agree, Joe has great style and tons of useful experience
@@josephkuhlman654 good luck to us boomers :)
I mean, music proves it, age is just a number.
Joe, like always. Thanks you so much.
Thank you!
Thank you so much for your input, not only on recording but also on the business end. I am a retired teacher and I have been a musician for decades. I got into recording more seriously since retirement. I use Studio One 5 Professional and I love it. I am also a woodworker. I know this sounds like a strange side note but what I take from the your video is the idea of valuing yourself. One of the most difficult tasks for me is placing value on my work. I give way too many things away, whether it be product or time. I have a hard time putting a price on my work. Thank you again for everything you do. Your words do span much more than you may realize.
Thank you for sharing your experience Joe :) cheers
GOD bless you joe good work thanks for the information.
Great advice and really well put together video Joe!
Excellent video Joe!
Hey Joe! I went to MTSU for Recording Industry in the mid-90s. I didn't finish the program and ended up changing my major because I really just wanted to write songs. At one time, I regretted not sticking with the recording major. I continued to write songs and wanted to record them but didn't feel very confident in my abilities. However, I have learned a ton from watching you and others on TH-cam. A few years ago I began setting up my home studio and feel much more confident now about recording because of your tutorials. Thanks a bunch for what you do!
Thanks bro!! Awesome info
great timing for me with this video, thanks.
Amazingly well said man. Not rambling at all, as I think this is something that many people absolutely need to hear. Loads of people these days are graduating with thousands in debt and then not even working in those domains, and I do believe that getting out there and practicing the thing for four years with the correct guidance might be more efficient than going to college for four years. But sometimes, it takes time for people to realize what they want to do. Again, priceless advice here. Extra points for being inclusive of the "she"s in this industry!
Hey Joe! thank you for making this video; i see your point and i do agree to a degree (see what i did there haha) but i was lucky enough to find a program at a community college that offered a production program that did give me the knowledge and confidence to be in a studio. For me, i needed that program to be like, "Hey, these things are possible and achievable" and the mentorship to get on out there. Love what you do and ill always be watching!
I am Nativ from Israel. Love your vids and what you do. Thanx
best video I saw about this topic thank you
Amazing video I enjoyed it a lot !!
Good on you Joe for encouraging people to be entrepreneurial. You're right, more success treading your own path. I went to audio school, but didn't get a job in audio so I freelance.
You made a lot of good valid points there in this video.
informative and encouraging! even at 3am Joe Gilder and a cup of java joe starts the day on a positive note. thanks for another great video!
hahah thanks man, you got the best energy
Nailed it on the head Joe!
Very Thankful#! no 1 to go to or anything , you know... i only use you tube for learning.. Again thank you Joe & my wife like my new ways of sounds #you was right ha hah God-Bless Joe Mississippi!
Great video Joe
I go to audio school and interestingly, because I love doing this so much and do a lot of extra stuff, I find that I am often really ahead. It's a kind of thing where if you are invested in it enough, the school starts to really feel not as essential because you're doing stuff aside from school so much. Today in class when learning about how to use a Midas 32, it felt like so much being explained was stuff I had already learnt myself on my own mixing desk.
Awesome video!
O.K. so I am a singer/songwriter/musician and I recording at home but its all trial and error. Now I cannot afford to go into a studio and have another engineer/producers do what I basically can do myself...Now I watch Joe all the time and many other tutorials but I do not have a systematic process or understanding why I want to adjust equalizers and when and where to place my compression in an unformed set way...I think taking an engineering/production course as well as watching Joe all the time will give me a better understanding...it is easy to learn how to play a song guitar watching a tutorial (But I have been playing guitar for 25 years)!
You should check out my courses over at homestudiocorner.com
Watching after a year of its release, i just found out this channel. I'm too am just beginning to go the entrepreneurial side, but I am shit scared. Great insights, thank you.
In the 80s so I bought an eight track tascam 288 all in one unit and I learned recording by reading magazines. That’s all we had. Then you put on headphones in and listen to mixes can you make it happen from here. Now with all of the content out there, college is not necessary at all it’s just a debt machine. As far as creating content like you do, I have the knowledge and the experience to do the same thing, but I don’t have your voice Joe. I sound like Joe Pesci with a head cold who just got a root canal. So I think I’ll just buy your Courses and listen to your channel. Thanks for doing this!
🤧 Bless you
Music is a passion for me. I don't want it to be a job.
I'm actually trying to build my own business, but in the video game industry.
Fortunately music is really important in video games, so everything I learn from your videos will help me in my business in the end.
But anyway... My point is, even though I don't want to make money out of music, this video is really helpful regarding my business project.
So yeah, thanks a lot.
I met Geoff Emerick…@ Esplanade studio in New Orleans ! 🙏🏽
I have been working in sound since 1989 - I did my general music degree (very little studio work covered) - but I loved electronics, synths and recording - way back in the days of 8 track reels - I never learned the "physics" of sound - but I built a studio and recorded any type of aound you can think of - music and soundtracks/dubbing for film ADR and sound design.
I ended up as a freelance and have done sound work for the BBC - not because I had done all the courses etc - I learned my craft of years of experience.... so yes it works even if you never went to uni :)
Agreed! I went to The Recording Workshop for their 2 month program. Moved to Nashville and did the assistant engineer thing for 2 years. Now I'm a librarian. go figure :-) Was recording school useful? Sure - I learned a bunch of stuff. Did it get me a job? Sorta kinda. Ultimately, the wife and I wanted a steady check and insurance. And I occasionally use my recording experience at work (setting up a podcast studio, for example). And I do my own stuff for fun, play at church, etc. Today, I'd probably just go for it on my own - no recording school needed.
Joe, great content. I appreciate it. Keep it up. Question. I hear a lot that I need to listen to my mixes on a variety of sounds systems - monitors, cars, headphones, etc. to be sure the song sounds good on all of them. So the question is - what are some common changes to the mix to make a song sound good on all these. I know it's a broad question but there must be some general strategies you can share. Thanks!
I have a 4-year degree in audio engineering. Now that I’ve been out of school for three years, the degree has meant nothing. The school I was at is now closed, 99% of my friends who graduated with me are still working 30-40hrs/week at day jobs (GuitarCenter, Apple, Uber, etc) and are doing music on the side - some aren’t even doing music and are going back to school for computer science degrees.
The value that $30k/year my degree brought me is the networking experience. I met people who are making huge waves in music whether it’s touring, TH-cam creators, engineering for A-list pop artists, or making their own music. It’s amazing to see that journey happen alongside them!
The downside to that whole story is that their music degree didn’t hold any weight into their career - it was their portfolio and the time they put into their craft. If I would have thought at the beginning that I only needed to show people what I could do, not my certifications, I would have spent the four years at school taking private lessons, interning at studios, writing my own music, finding my own clients to work with. When you’re at school you’re stuck in the bubble of school and that network. Reach outside of it to meet local artists, local engineers, local producers. I’d almost say to NOT work with people in school, or not make it a priority to work with people in school, but don’t say no? At the end of the day, you can choose which group you’re prioritizing with your network.
I went to Recording Connection. It went my pace and was taught by a working engineer in the studio. It took me about 4 or 5 months. I enjoyed it.
I know you enjoyed it.... But did you find it beneficial? If so in what ways? Thanks
Understatement of the year: "You, the third party audience, also get value from these videos". Joe's are some of the clearest videos around.
How about going to school to learn how to service/repair printing presses? Or maybe a graduate degree in submarine engineering?
Is there a short (3 to 9 months) hands on course on how to use something like ableton or pro tools where as a musician i can do home demo recordings?
Great practical advice. I think that music schools have 2 serious flaws: first the professors are usually not active in the industry and its rare to get a professor who has the grammy awards covering his office walls. Having said that, sometimes the best engineers are actually terrible teachers (CLA, Clearmountain, etc.). Second, 3 to 5 years after graduating from engineering school, the technology has advanced so much that most of what you learned in school is stale. The concepts may still be relevant - but there's a truckload of great courses online (yours included) that can bring you pretty far up the ladder in terms of being able to produce competitive mixes. What's missing would be an interactive service that brings a reasonable number of advanced students together where you occasionally share a mix and get feedback from the instructor on how to take things up a few notches. Or it can be a one on one service. Say you agree to have 3 mixes reviewed for a reasonable fee. The review is not only about the mixing (making a great mix sound awesome), but can be about the arrangement, the production itself. Then you could be a go-between with some session players to fill in for mediocre vocals or solos, which would be a separate fee and service. Now if you could place the best songs in media by networking with supervisor and music editors that would be great. I'm taking a course with Chris SD over at The Art of the Song Pitch for this purpose. As for myself, I just want to place a few of my best songs in media while continuing to or trying to write good music.
2:40 Getzuntheit Joe!!!! :)
you should have a million subs and the same amount of views!
Im here because my daughter wants to go to CRAS (25K + living expenses) to get her a audio engineer certificate and pursue a career in this field. Im trying very best to educate her so she can make the most informed decision possible. She is extremely talented artist and plays many instruments but that is besides the point. Its how to make money! And is it worth the mountain of debt to go to one of these schools. The most common thing i have seen from all kinds of videos on this subject is that there is no job waiting for you after "education" but rather you will have to find gainful employment doing something else totally unrelated. The most common end goal seems to be owning your own studio which that takes a long time to do. Great video....shes gonna be pissed when she watches it lol
Amazing video. I just got denied from a audio engineering and music production degree. I feel pretty defeated but it’s nice that you elaborate on good options here. Thank you.
How you get denied try some where else
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Thank you so much for this! I'm starting my 4 year journey in about a month and I was a bit scared as to what I would get from a bachelor's in audio production. I feel like I made the right choice!
Are you going to Full Sail?
@@josephkuhlman654 unfortunately no. I'm going to the Art Institute in Austin, Tx. I've heard good things from them, so I decided to jump in
@@josuemiranda7289 I just started Monday so we'll see how it goes. Good luck with your degree.
@@josephkuhlman654 you too, man :)
I go to sae here in atlanta i feel like i get value from it
No 1 can encourage u or discourage you. Its a experience you have to experience for your self, thats it.✋
Did ubget any type of discount on gear when working at sweetwater
Joe, thank you for your candor. What do you think about learning an audio online course?
I'm a big fan of online audio courses, because I sell them 😂 Like this one www.homestudiocorner.com/mix
I went to audio school a long time ago. Before the Mac for example was even a thing. So it was absolutely the thing to do at the time. Now? I'm not sure.
Back then it was much harder to get into any kind of audio school for us, not many parents would let their kids chase such dreams.
Nowadays it’s so different, so many go off to study audio or video game courses for 3-4 years and end up working as shop assistants at the end. I’m a strong believer in that you truly have the drive you can achieve almost anything.
Where can I find your courses at?
It's your "fault" (not really fault, more to your credit) that the "go to school and work at a studio" thing is changing, because you had one of the first audio production blogs and made it so people can do this stuff at home, and now we've got a lot of learning to do. And for that I'm thankful. :D
School is useless unless your job requires it. The big fields that matter are science, technology, engineering, math, and or accounting. Accounting for example requires you to have 150 credit hours to sit for the CPA certification. Hence, it’s necessary. If it’s not, do not waste your time and money.
I have a question. Am I going to learn how to mix in the box (Home Studio) if I take an audio engineering/production course...
I don't know. Depends on the course. I have a mixing course and a production course. One for each.
I'm currently going to Full Sail Univ. for Audio Production. Would like to connect with you on equipment. Looking at the Presonus StudioLive 32SX.
VikingSenso they have an Audio Production degree now? Interesting
@@diller0111 Yes. They have an Audio Production and Music Production degree Online. Check it out.
VikingSenso That’s dope I’m at Full Sail right now as well. I’m also in the Audio Production program. I graduate in A few months. Totally expanded my knowledge in so many different areas. I can literally do anything that involves audio. No limits!! I wouldn’t have had those choices if I didn’t go to school. They prepare you for many different careers. Not just one!
VikingSenso $54k for an online course????? Is that the price??? Whoah man that is heavy duty.
I'm a transfer student to MTSU majoring in Audio Engineering ..I'm supposed to start In a few days do you think it's worth quitting my daytime job to pursue this???
mastering an album or a body of work so that each track on said project can have an equally-like sounding tone in sound and in volume aesthetic while being played from the first track to the last although said project may contain tracks with different sounding mixes? 💔
Your comment seems to be missing some words from the beginning, maybe you could re-write it.
Your comment seems to be missing some words from the beginning, maybe you could re-write it.
Your comment seems to be missing some words from the beginning, maybe you could re-write it.
Your comment seems to be missing some words from the beginning, maybe you could re-write it.
Your comment seems to be missing some words from the beginning, maybe you could re-write it.
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Hey There @Joe Gilder, I'm interested in creating courses as well (music lessons), do you have some kind of template so that I can get moving? thanks in advance.
Its not gonna happen lol. This dude is funny
Spend your money on gear, not education.
(Any kind of education)
...gesundheidt...
I got some value out of this video.
You wanna make money? Stage a fight between you and Graham. LMAO. MMA or boxing? I'll buy a ticket...
He’s little and scrappy, but I’m pretty sure I could just sit on him and win
Hell no! TH-cam has a massive catalog of videos for free. Buy your gear and learn how to use it. No sense getting into debt. Not worth it!
This guy went to school out out content then says school not worth it, he trying sell the course lol