Thank you for taking the time to check out this model. We use this motor in step thru and cruiser frames as well. Great tests and comparisons. We mapped the controller for PAS 1&2 to be beginner rider, economic, easy power and then if you need it you have 3-5 for face melt, hill climb, towing etc. Feel free to call with any questions, we have regular shipments arriving and each has different colors, not all are on the website but we can look up on the backend. The non Elite dual suspension and step thru Volts have seat height starting at 33". The Elite is elevated by the large double crown front fork.
Nice bike. Good job Amp. My nitpick is the thumb throttle. Since they have low profile twist throttles that wouldn't interfere with your nice trigger shifters it would probably be a popular option you could provide.
@@jimmyjames8736 we tracked down some to sell as parts, they should arrive in a couple months. The factory does not believe twist throttles are safe so they do not offer the option but we can offer parts for customers to do as they please after receiving bikes.
@@ampridesusa That was a fast response lol. You must have already been working on getting some low profile throttles and were ahead of my suggestion. I hadn't checked out your website before today but you guys got some fun looking stuff. Thumb throttles work well but 50 years of motorcycle riding makes a twist habit hard to break.
AMP RIDES - I absolutely love how you respond to reviews to help people understand what market you fill in the E-Bike world. I Firmly believe those that offer choice to the consumer will wildly succeed. I agree safety does matter but I can go buy a 400hp Camaro and drive at 150 mph - yes it’s unsafe - doesn’t mean I would do it - but it’s my choice to buy it !!!
that hill i climb with my 250 w motor no problem [even a stiffer hill ] i don't see what the fuss is all about , a 1500w 52 v [ mine is 48 v ] should climb the hill like nothing , my bike do 29 mph on plane ,22 to 24 mph on moderate hill and 16 mph on stiff hill , on six times the power of motor more than mine you should have a much much better preformance , sorry but i'm not impresed ....
This was a really well thought out review Citizen. Nice bike too. Looks like a good choice for taller power junkies and their step thru version probably fits most others. I'm not sure why other manufacturers haven't figured out that a 46x14 top gear isn't enough for fast bikes but I love that Amp is providing 56x11 for theirs with an 8 speed. Not going to run out of pedal on this beast. The 40 amp controller looks like it provides a serious acceleration kick with good top speed even off the 48v charge. With the 4 piston Tektros and a 25 amp hour battery it looks like they are trying to provide good stuff that doesn't need upgrades. Thanks for showing us the bike. It looks like Amp is worthy of being on hot rodders short list.
Love the detailed comparison you did between both bikes. I went with the Amp Rides based on the folding factor. Yes. It’s heavy but that’s ok. Ariel Rider makes a great bike too. I would have gone with the Kepler if I wanted that full size bike feel.
It's literally everything I would want in a folding fat tire bike. If only it wasn't so ugly, lol. I'm probably going to end up getting a used Biria S3 and convert it to a high power setup.
Those brakes sound like a squealing pig, definitely would like that. Just found out about these bikes about 2 days ago. Way too much money for what you get though, can't wait to get my Kepler.
Love your videos. Here's a little bonus for your viewers regarding the thumb throttle issue you mentioned. I have found just one right-side half twist throttle that will work/fit with that shifter. I use it on my bike and can say I recommend it. Search for "Right 158X Half Twisting Throttle". The connector might be for bbshd (which I have) but I think you can change this to fit your bike... Maybe do a video on this! How to change the adapter (I'm no expert on this). It could really help those who prefer twist throttles and use that shifter. I'm going to buy another one as a spare.
Excellent review, and this bike definitely fits my style, lol. I like the punch midrange throttle, and it makes it hilarious when carving. I was on a mixed group ride with gas and electric bikes a few months ago, and when we got to the steep roads and switchbacks going up to a scenic overlook, the gas bikes got left behind! I don't like the throttle being tied to the PAS level, and for me it's a safety issue. There have been several times having full throttle has gotten me out of situations (including a drunk careening around a parking lot), and if my throttle was restricted by PAS, I might not be here to write this. Great bike though, and hopefully there will be an option to change the PAS relationship in the future.
Kinda wish it had a long seat, like the X-Class does. I've found that that kinda seat is a tad more comfortable for me than a typical bicycle seat. That said, I did JUST buy an X-Class a couple weeks ago, to go along with my Kepler, and my Freego DK200 (another moped style bike), so I'm kinda good at the moment. I have 6 altogether, but those are my 3 favorites. While the Kepler is just as beastly as the X-Class, I'm liking moped style better than bicycle style.
I’d love to see a review of your thoughts on the himiway cobra pro. How do you like the build, performance and would you consider the bike to be upgrade friendly?
Do not order anything from Amp Rides. The original owner, Josh, sold the company in June to an unscrupulous character who will lie to you incessantly for months on end, telling you it's stuck in customs, and that you'll have it next week. It NEVER comes! He will give you the run-around when you ask for your money back!
Why has no one shown what the bike looks like folded? Not even on the site?! That’s crazy to me. No display of the folding mechanism or how big the bike is when folded, easy of folding etc. Blows my mind a company has this feature but doesn’t even show a PICTURE of it folded on the official site.
I've been riding this bike for about a month th-cam.com/users/postUgkxwC0IIeIomGQVeBWg-kKJaToZkLEFIA2W and a half now and I think it's fantastic. It helps me get to work on time every day since I'm able to fit it inside of public transportation rush hour. The price is great too, people are always shocked when they ask me how much I paid for the fold up and I tell them "200". It's easy to fold and installation when it ships is insanely easy. All you have to install when the bike arrives is one foot pedal, everything else is done for you. I do recommend you carry some sort of wrench to tighten any loose screws on the handle bar and seat whenever they get a little bit loose. Other than that I think it's a fantastic bike. Easily fits in the home, can fit inside a car trunk and can even fit in subway rush hour.
I have been a subscriber for a short period of time. I enjoy your videos. Have you ever did a video on a bike that is belt driven. Being older I was curious about those type of bikes. I’m very ignorant about electric bikes
I had this model for about a year and I will say that I enjoyed it a lot but there are a lot of issues with the design of this bike. The first issue I had was the chain kept coming off. The next issue I had with the bike was throttle sticking and ghost peddling the bike would take off at random without pressing the throttle or peddling I was slammed into some outdoor tables and fell off during a turn because of this issue. At times on gravel surfaces I felt this bike could not hold up without feeling like the bike might slide out underneath me. Another issue is going up hills I noticed that the if I didn't really lean into the front wheel it often felt like I would lose control. I think this bike is great for cruising street style but if you're looking for an off road trail bike this is probably not the one for you. The battery for me was hard to get out of its case as well. The folding feature I feel is useless because of the weight of the bike for me it was easier to leverage the weight instead of picking it up folded. The throttle I noticed was hard to keep an even speed after setting 2. Overall the bike isn't horrible but the design flaws made it tedious and miserable to take care of to the point I got rid of it. The pros are this is a fast bike. I really enjoyed street cruising with this bike. I can't speak for the new management but before the customer service was really good. I think the company needs to take this model back to the design table and make some adjustments to the design. Some things to consider when ordering if you are shorter you will probably struggle with standing tip toed. Just some things I ran into not discouraging in buying this bike but definitely some things to consider before you do. Love your channel! Thanks for the great reviews!
Never understood the moped style bikes . This bike isn't meant to be pedaled , you get so much more out of your battery if you just pedal even just a little . Why not just move the crank so it's easier to pedal.
Thanks for keeping those of us who want to be in the know in the loop. I’m always checking on new e-bikes hitting the market. Interesting bike lots of good stuff on it.
That reminds me,how water proof is this bike?! The throttle on my RAD wagon doesn’t work as well after a simple rain. I turn over the throttle & there’s nothing to keep the water/moisture Out. Big ole’ open hole. 💁🏼♂️
Our wiring is waterproof, controller is waterproof. Battery, motor, display are water resistant. Rule of thumb is treat it like a cell phone and dry it off if you get caught in a downpour.
@@ampridesusa I did that with my RAD. I just wasn’t expecting it to have a huge square hole were one tiny wire goes in. Any bike I buy now I’m going to seal certain areas with Silicone caulk.
another great video brother, i trying to figure out how to make my new ARIEL RIDER KEPLER into a AWD BEAST. i want it like the grizzly. i have alot of stuff already. but i having trouble finding the front hub motor i need. 52v1000w1800peak with 110nMs motor. seems like most are 48v. FYI the bike you have on the screen is a 48v by what screen says you had a full charge and it said 54.4v. 52v would say 58.8v. which you know.
All 48 volt hub motors can also be run at 52v. It is just the battery voltage that is different. 48v motor controllers also function with a 52v battery and many of them allow selecting between 48 and 52 volts so the battery state of charge indicator remains accurate.
@@jimmyjames8736 THX, any idea were to get a wiring diagram. i have twoo controllers battery. need motor w/110nMS 52,1000w. and need switch for motor singleorboth. thx
@@mad151maxx4 Your best option may be to contact Ariel Rider and see if they will sell you a Grizzly wiring harness, selector switch, motor controller, and front hub motor. I'm sure you know the stuff you are doing will void warranty so just tell them what you are doing and maybe they will help you out. Keep in mind that the Grizzly harness connection lengths and locations might not match your Kepler. You might need to lengthen some wires like battery or motor to fit. The other maker that might be able to help you is Eunorau. They make a 26" dual motor called Defender. Their wiring harness might fit a Kepler well and uses same motor selector switch. But you would need to check if the connectors used matched the style used on the Kepler. Eunorau is a Bafang dealer too. And don't stress on finding 1000w 110 nm front hub. If you can talk Ariel or Eunorau into selling you a Grizzly or Defender front hub it won't be those specs but it will be a whole lot of extra hill climbing power. Dual motor will climb the best but if you just want more top speed then you are better off without front hub and just running the rear motor with 60v battery and 40-45 amp controller.
@@jimmyjames8736 i have tried many times trying to contact AR. its alwayes same thing. we dont have anything. all i real need is front hub motor the rest i might be able to find. cause the motor have to match up. i dont need more spped i need more torque.
@@mad151maxx4 I emailed Ariel in July and got response the same day. Most of the ebike makers are not big enough to have much telephone support. But you should also still try Eunorau. And another good place to try is Fabulous ebikes. They might sell you a high watt 135mm dropout front motor also. You can also get a big climbing boost by just using a 500 watt hub with a 22-25 amp controller. I have dual motor Lectric XP 2.0 set up that way. There really isn't any practical use for just front wheel drive on the bike so I can only select between rear wheel or both wheels. Don't need 3 position rocker switch like on grizzly. Just on/off for front wheel. Simplest way is to omit PAS on front wheel and run it throttle only. You can use pushbutton or rocker switch to interrupt the 0-4.5 volt feed from the throttle to front controller. You can use PAS in front if you use double pole switch and interrupt it too. But you then also need to keep PAS levels coordinated between the two controllers. 500 watt motors can be real good for intermittent use on hills. I use a 30 amp controller with 48v on both ends of my Lectric. Thought it might blow up rear motor but didn't care. Over 1800 miles on it and the rear motor won't die lol. I think it helps a lot that the motors don't get dragged down to a low speed. I live in hilly area of Ozarks in southwest Missouri and the bike never gets below 15 mph from throttle even on very steep hills in countryside. Regular size hills in town don't knock it under 25. And even with a 500 watt motor you need to put torque arms on both sides of the fork.
We have a shipment coming in with bikes available that will ship end of Sept or by mid Oct, we are always sold out but have shipments arriving regularly. Feel free to call and I can look on the backend for color options etc on bikes incoming.
Really like that bike. People might think it's really expensive but if you try to buy a battery like that it's pretty expensive and all the other stuff that's on it. And it looks like a bicycle not a motorcycle. I've never seen that nice of a paint job on any stock e-bike. I wonder why it has that small light and the big light? On this version so on the road the tires probably don't make that noise. Mine does I don't like it I want on off tires. There are few choices..
The standard model comes with the fender mount light, the Elite adds the large light on a separate switch and customers voted to have both so we give them both. Those Speedster Vee tires are quiet riding and the Mission Command Vee tires are more aggressive tread. Since the rubber is fairly grippy and those quad brakes are lockdown power its pretty easy to lock them up and skid stop.
You no this bike is rubbish. Why I mean is the price £2.500 I've got a kit 2000wat 40mph every thing on like this bike but much better alaminium frame what price £795 what do you think of that. If I was next to you I would be looking in my mirror as I'm pulling away plus 1500wat on 52v175 much faster than that bike. So where is the insane I wish I could send a picture of my bike. You said you have a trek there are just as bad. Sorry to be out spoken but when I seen the bike there like a tank. Its far better to build own bike with a kit from aliexpress. I serpose there will be people who will buy the bike there are just to heavy it looks not bad. Its just like a folding bike I've been on two demo terrible. I've git three headlight indercaters brake and side lights that's on a motor bike. DIY bikes are the best plus I've got two mirrors
I just ordered the Kepler arial rider, this is I believe gonna be worth the wait as they are on back order. I have a rad 5 customized not all wheel drive yet.... I wish you could've done a review on the Kepler as I love all your videos and reviews. thanks Mr. citizen keep up the great content. this bike looks absolutely amazing and I love power! thanks for the review
I think the Kepler is probably the most bang for it's buck right now. They just got my order in the port and plan on shipping them out over this week so I can't wait to get mine. Now I'm thinking I might try my hand at customizing my Bee Cool Explorer. It's a nice bike and I'm not sure if I want to sell it. Any customization tips/sources?
@@deehines5750 I’m not sure with the bee cool bikes as far as customization goes, I can tell you I use electro bike world which citizen turn me onto and area 13 who used to be Bolton Ebikes also ebike essentials has a lot of neat stuff, not sure if you’re looking for more power maybe check those sources out…. I’m curious to when you had ordered your Ariel Rider Kepler, but I am extremely excited about this bike as I’ve seen nothing but just great reviews on it hope that helped you out a little bit and again let me know when you ordered your bike because I’m just curious and excited on when I will get mine which is scheduled for the end of September and if they’re on time or not which I’m bankin on October
@@williamiannuzzi2492 Thanks, I'll check those out. Not too many customizers in the Bee Cool community that I've seen so just looking for some general info to get started. I ordered my Kepler on July 26th with an eta of late August delivery. They sent me an email saying that they were unfortunately behind schedule so the container didn't come to port until Aug. 23rd. They said it takes a week to two weeks to clear the shipment at port and then their fulfillment center starts shipping the entire batch out over the following 3-5 days, with a 3-7 day shipping eta. I was sent an email update that the shipment cleared and they would begin shipping them out on the 31st.
Fantastic review. All of them. Can i ask your opinion. I'm in search of the most powerful 750 fat tire foldable. Could you make a recommendation based on your experience.? I have a lot of hills to climb. Thank you
Ebikes in general are soo ugly but I am a chopper type person. I have a Ghost rider stretched bike,i knew i wanted it to go pretty fast. (31mph on flat ground so far) No ebike within a reasonable price range looks good to me so I knew I have to go with a DIY kit. I chose a 1500w cheap amazon kit and its doin good for me but I am always thinking of upgrades. next is a new controller and 72v battery but thats gonna take me a while to buy since I am disabled. with that upgrade i will need cooling fins and statoraide to keep it cool but that should make it so fast it will be nice and life threatening haha.
Your electric bikes made me think about buying a 20 inch fat tire bike and I love the bike didn’t like the battery but I like the bike I ordered a new battery from Bolton bikes and it’s a great battery I only use one bar of electricity in 35 miles cool
Pedals fold. Standard folded Volt size 43x30x20 but that bike is an Elite which has the bigger shock (raises seat from 33" to 36") We have not measured it folded yet as it has been traveling for reviewers to check it out.
@@ampridesusa Please when you have a chance update your website with the folded dimensions. Also, how soon will you have Elites in stock and ready to ship? For some strange reason this bike has really caught my eye.
@@jimallen1485 You won't regret buying from Amp Rides. If you have any issues, at least you get an immediate response and won't be ghosted by a company in China. Yes, all ebikes are basically Chinese but buying from a US based company that stands behind their product makes all the difference.
That yellow bar in the middle of the bike path is sketchy, I guarantee people have ran into that thing at night and crashed hard. The bike path in my area had those but thankfully they took them out.
Unique = Ugly Hope the performance outdoes the looks! Sorry for the brutal honesty but the design has no esthetics. Save $1,000. and buy the Kepler for $1,800. The Kepler is a much better value any has top performance to boot!
We have a shipment getting to port in a week, prob see those in orlando end of sept early oct and there are some options on our reservation pages on website amprideusa.com or you can just call me and I can help look stuff up 407-906-4481. -Josh
Is this speed limited? My 750w/48v G-Force T42 does 34mph all throttle. For double the continuous watts and 52v I was thinking at least like 40mph. It also only has 10nm more torque, which once again for double that’s kinda lame.
How fast does yours do on a mountain climb 12 miles, 3000' rise? We did Gibralter mountain bike training run in Santa Barbara and averaged 20 to 25 mph. We map the bike to get decent top speed but also to climb at high rates and not time out the battery or motor.
Yeah, sorry. :( The battery is $600 our cost, the tariff is over $500 and then we have the custom motor, huge controller, shocks, Vee tires and all the outlier stuff. We add 8% markup for our profit vs most brands at 30-40% markup but its still a lot of expensive components. Dorado brakes are expensive as well.
@@mpis362 the battery supplier sent battery separately to the youtube reviewers in CA and Citizen Cycle was the first to notice it was not the 58.8 output so this bike is acting like a 48v bike until it gets the new charger, should be more powerful once properly charged.
We have twist grip throttle option coming for $30 but our insurance upcharges us for models with twist grip and our factory thinks they are unsafe so we had to source them as an accessory to keep costs down on insurance. Customers can quick connect and attach.
I appreciate your supporting the e-bike industry. But most people who could really use them (need them) cannot justify $2-3k when the same money will get a decent used car. The price needs to drop way below $1k if it's going to entice the working masses to give up the comfort/practicality of a car. A bike manufacturer need to take a lesson from Henry Ford if they want to come out on top.
We can only make 600 bikes a year and have a niche of 1/2 of 1% of the ebike market. Lectric XP is killing it at the entry level from $1-2k. We cannot think of anything to do better than Lectric is doing for the prices they offer bikes at, so we stay in our lane and build the bikes our customers ask us to build, sell out every shipment. The tariff and shipping on this bike is over $1k, our profit margin is 8% and dealers do not carry our bikes because they want to make 30% profit. This is a want vs a need bike.
Seems like a good size battery costs $600- $700 getting a whole bike for that is going to be pretty hard to do. But hey they're way cheaper than an electric car....😁
@@CitizenCycle925 Yeah, well that's the thing. Three volt Li batteries aren't that expensive even when you add up all of them. So basically, your paying for the case that holds them and the name
@@ravenrock541 you are paying for name brand cells so you can park your bike in your garage with relative assurance that you are not going to burn your house down. That is the difference between quality controlled batteries with decades of experience and start up battery factories with no track record. Ebikes are hazmat shipments due to the lithium and issues with the batteries bursting into flames. As with anything in life, it is all about risk tolerance and whether the consumer would rather spend less and have higher risk. Most of our customers are 55-85 years old and have things to lose, grandchildren in their homes at certain times and whatnot so they are less risk tolerant and the track record of not bursting into flames is important so we use Samsung cells.
I need that power, because I weigh 235.
Nice bike, good to see a folder compete in the power market!
Unfortunate you were sent the wrong charger
Would really like to see an updated review on this bike
Thank you for taking the time to check out this model. We use this motor in step thru and cruiser frames as well. Great tests and comparisons. We mapped the controller for PAS 1&2 to be beginner rider, economic, easy power and then if you need it you have 3-5 for face melt, hill climb, towing etc. Feel free to call with any questions, we have regular shipments arriving and each has different colors, not all are on the website but we can look up on the backend. The non Elite dual suspension and step thru Volts have seat height starting at 33". The Elite is elevated by the large double crown front fork.
Nice bike. Good job Amp. My nitpick is the thumb throttle. Since they have low profile twist throttles that wouldn't interfere with your nice trigger shifters it would probably be a popular option you could provide.
@@jimmyjames8736 we tracked down some to sell as parts, they should arrive in a couple months. The factory does not believe twist throttles are safe so they do not offer the option but we can offer parts for customers to do as they please after receiving bikes.
@@ampridesusa That was a fast response lol. You must have already been working on getting some low profile throttles and were ahead of my suggestion. I hadn't checked out your website before today but you guys got some fun looking stuff.
Thumb throttles work well but 50 years of motorcycle riding makes a twist habit hard to break.
AMP RIDES -
I absolutely love how you respond to reviews to help people understand what market you fill in the E-Bike world. I Firmly believe those that offer choice to the consumer will wildly succeed. I agree safety does matter but I can go buy a 400hp Camaro and drive at 150 mph - yes it’s unsafe - doesn’t mean I would do it - but it’s my choice to buy it !!!
@@jimmyjames8736 these full grip throttles actually just arrived, thought they were half grip but they are full grip.
This should suit the hill country riders and power riders.
The Volt DS is a beast! We had a lot of fun riding it! Glad you're enjoying it & sharing it with your viewers!
I get mine in a month! I got the 48v 21a battery with mine. That's enough for me.
Cool, I basically rode this bike like a 48 volt battery so your performance should be pretty much the same 😁
I like this bike. It looks cool, and is exciting. Something a little different. Powerful too! Great video as always!
You never miss a video Steve 😂 Hope you are well!
that hill i climb with my 250 w motor no problem [even a stiffer hill ] i don't see what the fuss is all about , a 1500w 52 v [ mine is 48 v ] should climb the hill like nothing , my bike do 29 mph on plane ,22 to 24 mph on moderate hill and 16 mph on stiff hill , on six times the power of motor more than mine you should have a much much better preformance , sorry but i'm not impresed ....
Just one big fucking problem with these bikes!
...they don't sell them in europe.
This was a really well thought out review Citizen. Nice bike too. Looks like a good choice for taller power junkies and their step thru version probably fits most others. I'm not sure why other manufacturers haven't figured out that a 46x14 top gear isn't enough for fast bikes but I love that Amp is providing 56x11 for theirs with an 8 speed. Not going to run out of pedal on this beast. The 40 amp controller looks like it provides a serious acceleration kick with good top speed even off the 48v charge. With the 4 piston Tektros and a 25 amp hour battery it looks like they are trying to provide good stuff that doesn't need upgrades. Thanks for showing us the bike. It looks like Amp is worthy of being on hot rodders short list.
Definitely agree, I feel like it's geared towards the hot roders who want a strong bike with some good specs right out of the box.
Love the detailed comparison you did between both bikes. I went with the Amp Rides based on the folding factor. Yes. It’s heavy but that’s ok. Ariel Rider makes a great bike too. I would have gone with the Kepler if I wanted that full size bike feel.
Yeah I can't think of a more powerful folding bike. Except maybe for the next one I'm reviewing the amp Razorback 😁
It's literally everything I would want in a folding fat tire bike. If only it wasn't so ugly, lol. I'm probably going to end up getting a used Biria S3 and convert it to a high power setup.
Beautiful bikes!👍👍👍 Great testing! If you put a suspension post on that, it'll make the suspension even better
I’ve noticed in last few months,most European bikes & Ebikes have a chain guard like this bike.
This was the first bike I've seen with an actual chain guard that goes a whole way to the back wheel, I didn't mention that but good eye Ricky 🙂
Haha!!! You must've punched that throttle at least as many times as the peak wattage on that beast!!! Great vid.
Haha feeling the kick was addicting 😁
The style of the Ariel Rider style bikes makes my back hurt just looking at them and where do you put your gear??
True, there's not much space for a pack on the ariel rider. I believe they do sell an aftermarket rear rack for it though.
Its a nice bike wish i knew about it before i got my Ariel rider X where i had to upgrade handlebars among other things.
OMG what a beast of a dream ride.....thanks!
Certainly one of the more powerful bikes I've been on 😃
Outstanding video. Great comparison. it is really exciting to watch the evolving EBikes products. Thanks again. Great editing.
Thanks Glad you enjoyed it!
Those brakes sound like a squealing pig, definitely would like that. Just found out about these bikes about 2 days ago. Way too much money for what you get though, can't wait to get my Kepler.
You could add lower bmx handlebars to the Amp ride if you wanted to.
Complete complete Los Angeles at 3 Grand
Love your videos. Here's a little bonus for your viewers regarding the thumb throttle issue you mentioned. I have found just one right-side half twist throttle that will work/fit with that shifter. I use it on my bike and can say I recommend it. Search for "Right 158X Half Twisting Throttle". The connector might be for bbshd (which I have) but I think you can change this to fit your bike... Maybe do a video on this! How to change the adapter (I'm no expert on this). It could really help those who prefer twist throttles and use that shifter. I'm going to buy another one as a spare.
Thanks for the tip I'll have to take a look at that throttle
This is exactly like fabulous bikes havoc
Ordered mine today! Cant wait to hopefully receive it this week.
How is it?
I ordered my NEW Fabulous 26 inch Road warrior X2 60 Volt Dual motor. Can't wait to see it . Nobody has any Reviews on it !!
I'm jealous that looks like a wicked bike, I thought about buying that one to match it up against my custom build
@@CitizenCycle925 let U know when it gets here !!
Excellent review, and this bike definitely fits my style, lol. I like the punch midrange throttle, and it makes it hilarious when carving. I was on a mixed group ride with gas and electric bikes a few months ago, and when we got to the steep roads and switchbacks going up to a scenic overlook, the gas bikes got left behind! I don't like the throttle being tied to the PAS level, and for me it's a safety issue. There have been several times having full throttle has gotten me out of situations (including a drunk careening around a parking lot), and if my throttle was restricted by PAS, I might not be here to write this. Great bike though, and hopefully there will be an option to change the PAS relationship in the future.
the Kristall Y20 has that stupid PAS level affect the throttle output
Kinda wish it had a long seat, like the X-Class does. I've found that that kinda seat is a tad more comfortable for me than a typical bicycle seat.
That said, I did JUST buy an X-Class a couple weeks ago, to go along with my Kepler, and my Freego DK200 (another moped style bike), so I'm kinda good at the moment. I have 6 altogether, but those are my 3 favorites. While the Kepler is just as beastly as the X-Class, I'm liking moped style better than bicycle style.
imagine if you put on a front hub and turn it into a awd.
I’d love to see a review of your thoughts on the himiway cobra pro. How do you like the build, performance and would you consider the bike to be upgrade friendly?
Do not order anything from Amp Rides. The original owner, Josh, sold the company in June to an unscrupulous character who will lie to you incessantly for months on end, telling you it's stuck in customs, and that you'll have it next week. It NEVER comes! He will give you the run-around when you ask for your money back!
Why has no one shown what the bike looks like folded? Not even on the site?! That’s crazy to me. No display of the folding mechanism or how big the bike is when folded, easy of folding etc.
Blows my mind a company has this feature but doesn’t even show a PICTURE of it folded on the official site.
POS! Already broken down with a error code 30. No idea what it is and can't get any help anywhere. New company owners are no help at all.
I've been riding this bike for about a month th-cam.com/users/postUgkxwC0IIeIomGQVeBWg-kKJaToZkLEFIA2W and a half now and I think it's fantastic. It helps me get to work on time every day since I'm able to fit it inside of public transportation rush hour. The price is great too, people are always shocked when they ask me how much I paid for the fold up and I tell them "200". It's easy to fold and installation when it ships is insanely easy. All you have to install when the bike arrives is one foot pedal, everything else is done for you. I do recommend you carry some sort of wrench to tighten any loose screws on the handle bar and seat whenever they get a little bit loose. Other than that I think it's a fantastic bike. Easily fits in the home, can fit inside a car trunk and can even fit in subway rush hour.
I have been a subscriber for a short period of time. I enjoy your videos. Have you ever did a video on a bike that is belt driven. Being older I was curious about those type of bikes. I’m very ignorant about electric bikes
I had this model for about a year and I will say that I enjoyed it a lot but there are a lot of issues with the design of this bike.
The first issue I had was the chain kept coming off.
The next issue I had with the bike was throttle sticking and ghost peddling the bike would take off at random without pressing the throttle or peddling I was slammed into some outdoor tables and fell off during a turn because of this issue. At times on gravel surfaces I felt this bike could not hold up without feeling like the bike might slide out underneath me.
Another issue is going up hills I noticed that the if I didn't really lean into the front wheel it often felt like I would lose control. I think this bike is great for cruising street style but if you're looking for an off road trail bike this is probably not the one for you. The battery for me was hard to get out of its case as well. The folding feature I feel is useless because of the weight of the bike for me it was easier to leverage the weight instead of picking it up folded. The throttle I noticed was hard to keep an even speed after setting 2. Overall the bike isn't horrible but the design flaws made it tedious and miserable to take care of to the point I got rid of it.
The pros are this is a fast bike. I really enjoyed street cruising with this bike. I can't speak for the new management but before the customer service was really good. I think the company needs to take this model back to the design table and make some adjustments to the design.
Some things to consider when ordering if you are shorter you will probably struggle with standing tip toed. Just some things I ran into not discouraging in buying this bike but definitely some things to consider before you do. Love your channel! Thanks for the great reviews!
I’m a big man. I wonder how it would ride with Tannus Amour & sealant of great quality?!
This must go faster than a Kepler with the same Voltage but 7 amp larger controller. But my Kepler goes 35 with a charged battery.
How did the Ariel Rider X-Class compare on that big hill? Did the Amp Rides make it up the hill better?
Looks cramped. The distance from the seat to handle bars looks super short.
Awesome video as always! Great information and exciting and fun to watch. Love the comparisons
Never understood the moped style bikes . This bike isn't meant to be pedaled , you get so much more out of your battery if you just pedal even just a little . Why not just move the crank so it's easier to pedal.
Too big a ride for this 5' 1" lady, but that is a sweet looking bike with power. Nice review.
I loved your review and comparison.
Maybe a vs video with this bike against wicked ebike?
Thanks for keeping those of us who want to be in the know in the loop. I’m always checking on new e-bikes hitting the market. Interesting bike lots of good stuff on it.
That's sick bike!
Agreed!!
That reminds me,how water proof is this bike?! The throttle on my RAD wagon doesn’t work as well after a simple rain. I turn over the throttle & there’s nothing to keep the water/moisture Out. Big ole’ open hole. 💁🏼♂️
Our wiring is waterproof, controller is waterproof. Battery, motor, display are water resistant. Rule of thumb is treat it like a cell phone and dry it off if you get caught in a downpour.
@@ampridesusa I did that with my RAD. I just wasn’t expecting it to have a huge square hole were one tiny wire goes in. Any bike I buy now I’m going to seal certain areas with Silicone caulk.
When it comes to reviews, you're the king. Thanks
Looks like the Havoc, 2 x that motor on a Havoc would be something.
I'll save it little bit more money and get the Onyx City2 instead.
DANGGGG THATS SICK lol I want it
I love my wildeway for$1299 32 Ah battery 🔋 😮
Do you have a video with the best settings for riding and accessories for this brand?
another great video brother, i trying to figure out how to make my new ARIEL RIDER KEPLER into a AWD BEAST. i want it like the grizzly. i have alot of stuff already. but i having trouble finding the front hub motor i need. 52v1000w1800peak with 110nMs motor. seems like most are 48v. FYI the bike you have on the screen is a 48v by what screen says you had a full charge and it said 54.4v. 52v would say 58.8v. which you know.
All 48 volt hub motors can also be run at 52v. It is just the battery voltage that is different. 48v motor controllers also function with a 52v battery and many of them allow selecting between 48 and 52 volts so the battery state of charge indicator remains accurate.
@@jimmyjames8736 THX, any idea were to get a wiring diagram. i have twoo controllers battery. need motor w/110nMS 52,1000w. and need switch for motor singleorboth. thx
@@mad151maxx4 Your best option may be to contact Ariel Rider and see if they will sell you a Grizzly wiring harness, selector switch, motor controller, and front hub motor. I'm sure you know the stuff you are doing will void warranty so just tell them what you are doing and maybe they will help you out. Keep in mind that the Grizzly harness connection lengths and locations might not match your Kepler. You might need to lengthen some wires like battery or motor to fit.
The other maker that might be able to help you is Eunorau. They make a 26" dual motor called Defender. Their wiring harness might fit a Kepler well and uses same motor selector switch. But you would need to check if the connectors used matched the style used on the Kepler. Eunorau is a Bafang dealer too.
And don't stress on finding 1000w 110 nm front hub. If you can talk Ariel or Eunorau into selling you a Grizzly or Defender front hub it won't be those specs but it will be a whole lot of extra hill climbing power.
Dual motor will climb the best but if you just want more top speed then you are better off without front hub and just running the rear motor with 60v battery and 40-45 amp controller.
@@jimmyjames8736 i have tried many times trying to contact AR. its alwayes same thing. we dont have anything. all i real need is front hub motor the rest i might be able to find. cause the motor have to match up. i dont need more spped i need more torque.
@@mad151maxx4 I emailed Ariel in July and got response the same day. Most of the ebike makers are not big enough to have much telephone support. But you should also still try Eunorau. And another good place to try is Fabulous ebikes. They might sell you a high watt 135mm dropout front motor also.
You can also get a big climbing boost by just using a 500 watt hub with a 22-25 amp controller. I have dual motor Lectric XP 2.0 set up that way. There really isn't any practical use for just front wheel drive on the bike so I can only select between rear wheel or both wheels. Don't need 3 position rocker switch like on grizzly. Just on/off for front wheel. Simplest way is to omit PAS on front wheel and run it throttle only. You can use pushbutton or rocker switch to interrupt the 0-4.5 volt feed from the throttle to front controller. You can use PAS in front if you use double pole switch and interrupt it too. But you then also need to keep PAS levels coordinated between the two controllers.
500 watt motors can be real good for intermittent use on hills. I use a 30 amp controller with 48v on both ends of my Lectric. Thought it might blow up rear motor but didn't care. Over 1800 miles on it and the rear motor won't die lol. I think it helps a lot that the motors don't get dragged down to a low speed. I live in hilly area of Ozarks in southwest Missouri and the bike never gets below 15 mph from throttle even on very steep hills in countryside. Regular size hills in town don't knock it under 25. And even with a 500 watt motor you need to put torque arms on both sides of the fork.
They’re all out of stock on website
We have a shipment coming in with bikes available that will ship end of Sept or by mid Oct, we are always sold out but have shipments arriving regularly. Feel free to call and I can look on the backend for color options etc on bikes incoming.
this channel is killer! love it!
Is a 1500 watt motor need a license in Ohio
Really like that bike. People might think it's really expensive but if you try to buy a battery like that it's pretty expensive and all the other stuff that's on it. And it looks like a bicycle not a motorcycle. I've never seen that nice of a paint job on any stock e-bike. I wonder why it has that small light and the big light? On this version so on the road the tires probably don't make that noise. Mine does I don't like it I want on off tires. There are few choices..
The standard model comes with the fender mount light, the Elite adds the large light on a separate switch and customers voted to have both so we give them both. Those Speedster Vee tires are quiet riding and the Mission Command Vee tires are more aggressive tread. Since the rubber is fairly grippy and those quad brakes are lockdown power its pretty easy to lock them up and skid stop.
Looks like an city bike from northebike
Have you ever ridden an AR D-Class? If they had only made it with rear suspension, it would be the perfect bike.
Never rode the D class although I liked the styling of it better than the X-Class Taller handlebars more plush seat.
Looks like the Fabulous Havoc
I got "Page not found" on your link
You no this bike is rubbish. Why I mean is the price £2.500 I've got a kit 2000wat 40mph every thing on like this bike but much better alaminium frame what price £795 what do you think of that. If I was next to you I would be looking in my mirror as I'm pulling away plus 1500wat on 52v175 much faster than that bike. So where is the insane I wish I could send a picture of my bike. You said you have a trek there are just as bad. Sorry to be out spoken but when I seen the bike there like a tank. Its far better to build own bike with a kit from aliexpress. I serpose there will be people who will buy the bike there are just to heavy it looks not bad. Its just like a folding bike I've been on two demo terrible. I've git three headlight indercaters brake and side lights that's on a motor bike. DIY bikes are the best plus I've got two mirrors
I just ordered the Kepler arial rider, this is I believe gonna be worth the wait as they are on back order. I have a rad 5 customized not all wheel drive yet.... I wish you could've done a review on the Kepler as I love all your videos and reviews. thanks Mr. citizen keep up the great content. this bike looks absolutely amazing and I love power! thanks for the review
I think the Kepler is probably the most bang for it's buck right now. They just got my order in the port and plan on shipping them out over this week so I can't wait to get mine. Now I'm thinking I might try my hand at customizing my Bee Cool Explorer. It's a nice bike and I'm not sure if I want to sell it. Any customization tips/sources?
@@deehines5750 I’m not sure with the bee cool bikes as far as customization goes, I can tell you I use electro bike world which citizen turn me onto and area 13 who used to be Bolton Ebikes also ebike essentials has a lot of neat stuff, not sure if you’re looking for more power maybe check those sources out…. I’m curious to when you had ordered your Ariel Rider Kepler, but I am extremely excited about this bike as I’ve seen nothing but just great reviews on it hope that helped you out a little bit and again let me know when you ordered your bike because I’m just curious and excited on when I will get mine which is scheduled for the end of September and if they’re on time or not which I’m bankin on October
@@williamiannuzzi2492 Thanks, I'll check those out. Not too many customizers in the Bee Cool community that I've seen so just looking for some general info to get started.
I ordered my Kepler on July 26th with an eta of late August delivery. They sent me an email saying that they were unfortunately behind schedule so the container didn't come to port until Aug. 23rd. They said it takes a week to two weeks to clear the shipment at port and then their fulfillment center starts shipping the entire batch out over the following 3-5 days, with a 3-7 day shipping eta. I was sent an email update that the shipment cleared and they would begin shipping them out on the 31st.
Fantastic review. All of them. Can i ask your opinion. I'm in search of the most powerful 750 fat tire foldable. Could you make a recommendation based on your experience.? I have a lot of hills to climb. Thank you
What a dream Ev Bike !
It's a fun one that's for sure!
Ebikes in general are soo ugly but I am a chopper type person. I have a Ghost rider stretched bike,i knew i wanted it to go pretty fast. (31mph on flat ground so far) No ebike within a reasonable price range looks good to me so I knew I have to go with a DIY kit. I chose a 1500w cheap amazon kit and its doin good for me but I am always thinking of upgrades. next is a new controller and 72v battery but thats gonna take me a while to buy since I am disabled. with that upgrade i will need cooling fins and statoraide to keep it cool but that should make it so fast it will be nice and life threatening haha.
Question, on the same 26 x 4 rear hub motor ebike, which one would have higher top speed, 750watt motor 60 volts battery or1000watt 48 volts.
Thanks
Carbon fiber Hydrodip,
not a paintjob
The snakeskin one was my favorite.
I was already comparing this bike to the Ariel Rider before stumbling across your review. Good stuff!
What about the range
Your electric bikes made me think about buying a 20 inch fat tire bike and I love the bike didn’t like the battery but I like the bike I ordered a new battery from Bolton bikes and it’s a great battery I only use one bar of electricity in 35 miles cool
What are bike dimensions folded? Also do pedals fold? Am asking as I want to fit it in the passenger footwell of 2021 Freightliner Cascadia.
Pedals fold. Standard folded Volt size 43x30x20 but that bike is an Elite which has the bigger shock (raises seat from 33" to 36") We have not measured it folded yet as it has been traveling for reviewers to check it out.
@@ampridesusa Please when you have a chance update your website with the folded dimensions. Also, how soon will you have Elites in stock and ready to ship? For some strange reason this bike has really caught my eye.
@@jimallen1485 You won't regret buying from Amp Rides. If you have any issues, at least you get an immediate response and won't be ghosted by a company in China. Yes, all ebikes are basically Chinese but buying from a US based company that stands behind their product makes all the difference.
That yellow bar in the middle of the bike path is sketchy, I guarantee people have ran into that thing at night and crashed hard. The bike path in my area had those but thankfully they took them out.
I really don't like ebikes with the battery at the back I think it makes the handling horrible in my opinion. I also don't like the look at all .
Off topic: what kind of watch are you wearing? (l'm a watch nut)
My guess would be a Citizen watch of course 😆
It is a Citizen Eco-Drive, I have like 3 of them 😁 Love those watches
@@s.powell6313 of course!!
is it just me or does the back wheel look bigger than the front?
Super!
Nice Bike just that battery is like a "Bazooka" :)
Unique = Ugly
Hope the performance outdoes the looks!
Sorry for the brutal honesty but the design has no esthetics.
Save $1,000. and buy the Kepler for $1,800. The Kepler is a much better value any has top performance to boot!
Haha I guess the looks aren't for everyone, but it does have great performance and they do use that same powertrain in their other frame designs.
Where can I get it?
We have a shipment getting to port in a week, prob see those in orlando end of sept early oct and there are some options on our reservation pages on website amprideusa.com or you can just call me and I can help look stuff up 407-906-4481. -Josh
Is this speed limited? My 750w/48v G-Force T42 does 34mph all throttle. For double the continuous watts and 52v I was thinking at least like 40mph. It also only has 10nm more torque, which once again for double that’s kinda lame.
How fast does yours do on a mountain climb 12 miles, 3000' rise? We did Gibralter mountain bike training run in Santa Barbara and averaged 20 to 25 mph. We map the bike to get decent top speed but also to climb at high rates and not time out the battery or motor.
Should have mirrors..
yes, i'm surprised ebikes dont come with mirror stock
CG a bit far back but looks good.
How responsive is amp ride with costumer support and ordering parts and what kind of mileage can u get thanks
My cell phone number is listed at the top of our site, you can text, call, email. ampridesusa.com
@CitizenCycle could you review the Sondors LX
I thought about getting one of those a while back but the wait was so long I just moved on.
When your hill climbing ,does it have more torque in 1 gear or 5 gear.
5, 1 PAS is limited for slow start, less power for calm riding and new riders.
nice bike.....too bad the company hates short people. 🤔
The non Elite models are 33" seat height. Same motors and batteries, different handlebars and front fork which adds height due to double crown.
Looks to feminine?,
Are they legal?
Probably what we want but that for that price… too bad
Yeah, sorry. :( The battery is $600 our cost, the tariff is over $500 and then we have the custom motor, huge controller, shocks, Vee tires and all the outlier stuff. We add 8% markup for our profit vs most brands at 30-40% markup but its still a lot of expensive components. Dorado brakes are expensive as well.
Looks like this is the King of folding bikes . 👍
All of the bikes that amp rides produces are very powerful. But yes this is probably one of the fastest folders
sorry should of finish video before making commenting
If the battery was full charged at the beginning of the video 54 volt is a 48 volt battery I have a 52 volt ebike full charge is 58.8
@@mpis362 the battery supplier sent battery separately to the youtube reviewers in CA and Citizen Cycle was the first to notice it was not the 58.8 output so this bike is acting like a 48v bike until it gets the new charger, should be more powerful once properly charged.
What is the range for the battery?
We got 41 miles with an average speed of 20 mph and 200# rider. Varies by use of throttle, elevation, rider weight and speed, pedaling.
Wow wow awesome but still 2900 hmmmm a little to steep 4 me. Great review brother
$2299 non elite model, same speed, motor, controller etc.
@@ampridesusa cool thank you
Why does the back wheel look bigger???
Camera position perception.
wide angle lens distortion, HATE GoPro cams
Left handed thumb throttles are stupid
We have twist grip throttle option coming for $30 but our insurance upcharges us for models with twist grip and our factory thinks they are unsafe so we had to source them as an accessory to keep costs down on insurance. Customers can quick connect and attach.
Im left handed and works perfectly for me.
Where buy shop ?
ampridesusa.com
I appreciate your supporting the e-bike industry. But most people who could really use them (need them) cannot justify $2-3k when the same money will get a decent used car. The price needs to drop way below $1k if it's going to entice the working masses to give up the comfort/practicality of a car. A bike manufacturer need to take a lesson from Henry Ford if they want to come out on top.
We can only make 600 bikes a year and have a niche of 1/2 of 1% of the ebike market. Lectric XP is killing it at the entry level from $1-2k. We cannot think of anything to do better than Lectric is doing for the prices they offer bikes at, so we stay in our lane and build the bikes our customers ask us to build, sell out every shipment. The tariff and shipping on this bike is over $1k, our profit margin is 8% and dealers do not carry our bikes because they want to make 30% profit. This is a want vs a need bike.
Seems like a good size battery costs $600- $700 getting a whole bike for that is going to be pretty hard to do. But hey they're way cheaper than an electric car....😁
@@CitizenCycle925 Yeah, well that's the thing. Three volt Li batteries aren't that expensive even when you add up all of them. So basically, your paying for the case that holds them and the name
@@ravenrock541 you are paying for name brand cells so you can park your bike in your garage with relative assurance that you are not going to burn your house down. That is the difference between quality controlled batteries with decades of experience and start up battery factories with no track record. Ebikes are hazmat shipments due to the lithium and issues with the batteries bursting into flames. As with anything in life, it is all about risk tolerance and whether the consumer would rather spend less and have higher risk. Most of our customers are 55-85 years old and have things to lose, grandchildren in their homes at certain times and whatnot so they are less risk tolerant and the track record of not bursting into flames is important so we use Samsung cells.
@@ampridesusa I hear ya. Can't wait until Sodium batteries come out