That's true of most stories. If you can justify the cool, then it tends to work better than having no explanation. See Davy Jones in POTC. Davy Jones is, at the end of the day, a cool pirate design with tentacle beard, peg leg, kraken, etc. But the explanation of him cutting out his heart, his love, and slowly losing his humanity, turning him into a cruel villain makes it work.
How to Fix Star Wars: 1) Make it cool 2) Let the fan's imaginations cook 3) Silently nod and agree to anything that doesn't blatantly break canon 4) You win
I had a book I got at a scholastic book fair when I was younger that explained how lightsabers work, had diagrams of all the movie sabers, all the lore on various types of crystals, and it did a lot of explaining essentially this question.
It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's intuitive. Come up with your own answers. Every time we get concrete answers we "get because the bacteria in your body make you force sensitive", which is dumb and dispells the mystery and fun
I'm reminded of "Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight" where in the boss fights against Sith if you tried to pull a gun they just used force pull to take it away from you forcing you to use the lightsaber.
Particularly when it came to the Prequels I *do* genuinely think they thought about the battles being of body, mind, and will/soul. I'm unsure it's ever explicitly stated but it's heavilly implied multiple times that there is more going on than just the physical fighting and that fits absolutely perfectly in recontextualizing the OT battle between Obi-Wan and Vader, even the way the shots are held implies that there are deeply powerful things going on underneath the surface from the begining and this further context just cements that. Having said that I think it's a big missed opertunity for Star Wars media to not have attempted to visualise or at least narrate this unseen battle for viewers during a fight as it could lead to some spectacular depth and it'd be very compelling. I suppose it'd be somewhat difficult to do without it being tacky but I think they could manage it so long as they were very careful and respectful of the force in doing so
It's also likely that as a visual media part of the draw of Star Wars was the swordfight-like combat between Obi-Wan and Vader or Vader and Luke, if showing the non-action aspect of the Force it seems less "impressive" to a casual observer. The fact it was partially using the Force against each other makes sense during both Ep.V and Ep.VI when Vader either tries to throw Luke off-balance by throwing objects at him or reading his thoughts; "Sister, so you have a twin sister. Your feelings for her have made ou weak."
The thing about the Jedi combat is shown in the Clone Wars Cartoon series very well where it is shown how Grievous only handled Force wielders so well by breaking them with fear before he attacked. Duku even warns him NOT to engage a Jedi until he has disbalanced them or he would lose.
"So, the first thing you need to do is use the Force to protect yourself, otherwise your opponent will use it agaunst you to disarm you. We all learn this, both Jedi and Sith, so you will never be able to successfully use Force attacks on your opponents in a duel" "Ah. So, when I fight a Force-muggle like Cad Bane or Jango Fett, I should just disarm them with the Force rather than be drawn into a long fight that could affect the fate of the galaxy if I lose?" "....."
Both the Thrawn and Dark Empire Trilogies also make a point about the limitations of using the Force. C'Boath and Luuke Both die to Mara because the former overextended himself with his need to mentally control all the clones on Wayland. The Resurrected Emperor loses control of his own Force Storm when Luke and Leia envelop him with the Light of the Force.
Didn't know that about the force shield thing exactly. So Matthew McCleskeys videos about Anakin turning off lightsabers in those training duels with Obi-Wan were onto something...for those that don't know he made a short animated series about activating / turning off lightsabers as a trick during battle.
#ASKECK I've often considered one of the differences between the light side and the dark side of the force to be that when using the light side you're negotiating with the force, asking or even pleading for a particular outcome, while using the dark side you're being more forceful, demanding or maybe even ordering a particular outcome. But I'd love to hear your take on this, whether I've got it right or if I'm completely off base.
Star Wars battle front 2 (2018) gives a decent depiction on using the force in combat and why Jedi a Sith don’t just spam it. The game portrays forces users as having certain amount of force reserves at a given moment and would have to wait to build up their strength again after using it. It’s risky as it not guaranteed to work given that an opponent can parry your force attack with their own. Because of this, it’s normally always a back-and-forth between two duelist, constantly trying to find openings.
Original Trilogy: *lightsaber fights with classic samurai duels* Prequel Trilogy: *lightsaber fights with fast paced and awesome sequence* Sequel Trilogy: *lightsaber fights with whacking each other via glorified glowing baseball bats*
Original trilogy: thought out provocative duels with the lightsabers representing each combatants' emotional states Prequel trilogy: flashy and soulless Sequel trilogy: boring
@@Korijenkins1414try and tell me that Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel on Mustafar is "soulless", while something like Vader vs Obi-Wan duel on the Death Star is somehow better and more emotional.
I remember people ragging on Kylo Ren’s saber design after TFA but…swords have cross guards for a reason. One thing I wondered since I was a small child watching the OT on vhs was why didn’t Luke or Vader just slide their blade down the other blade and cut each others’ hands.
#AskEck I've actually got a weird question: say you put 2 light sabers in a really strong grip made out of phrik or something else, facing each other emitter to emitter and the distance between would be smaller than the 2 blade length combined. You then activate both at the same time - what would actually happen? Is it mentioned anywhere?
#Askeck The Inquisitor program isn't a bad idea in order to compete against remaining Jedi. However, knowing that they are weaker than sith, they still are strong in their own right, but it's mostly not the case for 1 reason, why do Inquisitors suck at their job for what they do?
I always saw the inquisators as hunting hounds. You send them to kick the grass and see what they find. Anyone interesting enough to deal with them might be worth Vader getting out of his goo.
#AskEck Why aren't astromech droids used more to fill more roles on larger larger ships? I don't mean for weapons systems, but for piloting, and whatnot. It would cut down on the amount of manpower typically required, and should theoretically work because astromechs are show to be able to interface a ship's central computer. So wouldn't it just be easier overall if you could just order one droid to increase power to the engines from the bridge, instead of having to relay the order to several people through comms?
I'd imagine there is stigma cause of the CIS for droid operated ship systems along with some of the droid rebellions throughout history. In the Thrawn Trilogy there is also mention of how the Katana fleet disaster caused people to be weary of automated ship systems.
#AskEck what would happen if a jedi/sith tried to block slugs from a slug thrower with their lightsabers? I've heard that the lightsaber would disintegrate the slug like how it cuts through most physical objects, but I've also heard that it would melt the slug and result in molten metal flying at the jedi/sith which would actually be worse than a physical slug. I would like to hear your thoughts.
In the case of Plaugeis's near death at the hands of non-Forceful assassins, they were exceptional at their art and trained to combat force users. Tho they initially went expecting one of their targets was a Force user, being the professionals they are treating every assignment with the same lethal efficiency, they cooly execute their infiltration of the Canted Circle without telegraphing their intent. Their emotions are controlled. Their thoughts aren't wandering. By the time he realizes something is amiss, they have already struck. Plagueis for his part is distracted and so arrogantly confident in his upcoming ascension in the galaxy he hadn't even considered an attack possible. He was also in a position where revealing his power was a risk, so public use of the Force was something they (The Rule of Two Sith) considered a last resort with consequences that would have to be addressed. Such as making sure there were no witness, unless vetted in the in. So the Maladians got the jump on him and caught him with blows that would have been lethal for any non force user without his level of control over his own physiology. And once he counter attacked they adjusted their tactics and target priority. He may have been eventually overwhelmed if not for the timely arrival of Sate Pestage (or was it Doriana?) and the Echani Sun Guard.
#AskEck I've been watching you for a few years now. Absolutely love your content. I watched Star Wars for the first time in 2020 (it was Episode V), when I was 9 or 10 at the time. Afterwards, your content really boosted my interest in Star Wars. I wanted to expand my knowledge and understanding of Star Wars Legends, or generally the non-canon side of Star Wars (the stuff not in the movies or TV shows). I wanted to ask where to start and which books to read in what order. I do hope you see this comment. Keep up the great work!! Sincerely, Falcon
#AskEck Not necessarily a question, but I'm curious about your thoughts on this: I don't know any specific lore on force powers or lightsabers, but I have a couple theories on why they seem so inconsistent. For the force, I imagine that "grabbing" an object is more like putting a barrier in space, rather than honing in on a specific object. So grabbing a starfighter for example would be a lot harder than looking at the ship and grabbing it; you have to know where it is going to be by the time you achieve the focus to put up that barrier. This wasn't addressed but I kind of want to talk about it anyway: Why do they spin their lightsabers so much? I think of lightsabers as less being bats and more like unwieldy magnet-thrusters that are always exerting a force (no pun intended) on your hand. If you hold it wrong, it'd feel really heavy. To keep their momentum going, it's way more efficient to swing and spin it around than to put in the energy to stop it from moving. You can even see when Grievous turns on his lightsabers in RotS that his arms react to them turning on. Of course, all of this is my own headcanon. I assume canon/old canon have a completely different explanation that kyber crystals like spinning because that's a good trick.
Has there ever been a reason why lightsabers instantly shut off when knocked out of someone's hands and dont stay ignighted and fall to the core of a planet?
The rule of cool to me is: 1. Wow that 's cool! 2. Watsonian explanation 3. Memery. On that last note, why didn't they just have the eagles drop the photon torpedoes into the coolant shaft?
I remember playing Jedi Outcast and Academy, as soon as I got force grip every enemy saber-swinger who picked a fight with me next to a lethal height could be dispatched with a flick of the wrist Guess they didn't have their shields up
Because a lightsaber fight has more dramatic tension. Hand to hand combat in general lets the opposing characters confront each other face to face. It makes for more compelling storytelling.
#AskEck I had a question in my mind- Did palpatine disobey the rule of two by allowing maul to live after their encounter in mandalore? He had Dooku as his apprentice back then, so why did he not kill Maul to abide by the rule?
The best way to take down super star destroyers was actually heavy fighters. SSDs would have a lot of turbolasers and thus lack sufficient weaponry to combat smaller ships. So x-wings could get in, destroy all the hard points, and turn a Bellator into a useless massive floating hunk of metal. Yes you could slap regular laser cannons onto an SSD, but then it'd do poorly against larger ships like Mon Calamari cruisers. So why build an SSD when several smaller and cheaper ships like Victory-class frigates, or IPVs could be spammed out to defend planets and instillations?
Force Shield as retconed later, and actually never became official canon. Question first appeared about Luke's duel with Vader on Bespin , i.e. why Vader didn't choke Luke and why Luke didn't destroy Vader's breathing apparatus. There was also question why someone didn't use Force against general Grevious , when Mace Windu did crush Grievous lungs in one episode of Clone Wars mini-series etc .. Overall, SW always had many plot holes, but they were somewhat overlooked when franchise was popular.
#AskEck Could you cover some of the smaller stories such as the ones from The Lost Tribes of the Sith, Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Empire, New Republic, Jabbas Palace, or Mos Eisley Cantina? Millennium Falcon, or ESPECIALLY Crucible would be amazing as well. There's a lotta lore that I have trouble summarizing in them and, especially with Lost Tribes and Millennium Falcon, wild and somewhat outlandish subplots that tie into thousands of years of stories and widen aspects of the force and create that sense of mystery of the force I experienced when reading the Old Republic stories for the first time and seeing all the force abilities. Hell Millennium Falcon even explains why you can see it in episode 3 going to the senate building. I know that's a lot, but any of this would be content I haven't really seen covered before.
Yeah, that's what I think was cool about Yoda and the Emperor in the original movies that got lost in the prequels. They absolutely looked like they were so powerful that they could just use the force however they needed in a fight and not have to use lightsabers at all. I think it would have been much cooler to have them not need them, but instead we get BeyBlade Palpatine and crazy jumping Yoda.
But Yoda wouldn't use the force that offensively, as it went against the "teachings of the Jedi" whereas Palpatine used his sadism and hatred for the Jedi to the fullest in his technique. I get that it was cartoonishly over the top, but i wouldn't want it any other way. Them both just duking it out with the Force alone couldn't have happend, as Palpatine was very aware that this was the area he didn't had the upper hand in fighting Yoda and so their lightsabre duel was necessary for plot reasons.
#AskEck I know it's sci-fi, but is there an in-universe explanation as to why people don't just go flying when a ship enters/exits hyperspace? People dont seem to be strapped in, so when a ship accelerates or deccelaretes due to hyperspace, you'd think everyone would be smashing against their ships' walls.
Did the Empire televise (or whatever the Star Wars equivalent is) the battle of Endor in order to show to Galaxy the power of the Death Star as well as show how quickly and effectively they thought they were going to put an end to the Rebel Alliance? #askeck
My head canon was that lightsabers were made so force users could more easily kill other force users who had the ability to counter force powers. Sorry, I haven't read enough extended universe stuff to know if there's evidence in favor or against this head canon 😔
I always wondered why General Grievous even presented a formidable threat to the Jedi in the first place. He has no Force abilities and is just highly trained in lightsaber combat by Count Dooku. Why didn't the Jedi simply use the Force to mess with him? Lift him up into the air to immobilize him, toss and slam him around like a ragdoll, pin him against walls and ceilings, or Force push him off cliffs? Or simply turn off his lightsaber blades repeatedly or rip the hilts out of his hands from a safe distance? How about using the Force to whip his cape up and wrap around his head to blind him or snare and trip up his robotic body? He had no Force abilities at all to counter these tactics or form an anti-Force bubble to surround himself with. I literally had fan boys in the Star Wars Reddit tell me with a straight face that it's because I "lack imagination" (despite my giving lots of various imaginative ways one could use the Force to mess with Grievous) but then fail to elaborate why the above tactics wouldn't work on Grievous. Make it make sense, lol. Is his cyborg body made of a special metal that automatically nullifies the Force? Does his alien species naturally form an anti-Force field around their bodies? But Grievous is just a brain, eyes, and pair of lungs at this point. Is that enough of his original biological cell mass left remaining to form an anti-Force bubble?
@@paulrasmussen8953 no…it’s as much. It’s actually way more than the ot. Nothing wrong with that. They’re designed for camera, not reality. The prequels are fast paced and solid choreography.
@ I mean i can “disrove” it. You however can choose to ignore it. Nick gillard the stunt coordinator for the prequels openly in interviews acknowledges he wasn’t going for realism. His criticism of other Star Wars media duels is actually that they focus on realism too much. Nicks a stunt director/performer first. When developing any fight scene is main focus is performer safety followed by what’s best cinematically You can also watch the prequel duels and notice they aim for sabers and pre determined clash points. Go watch duel of fates at half speed. Esb and rotj fight coordinator was Bob Anderson an Olympic medalist and master fencer. Any trained swordsman will tell you the ot represents far superior swordsman ship.
#AskEck What do you think the reasons Palpatine did not exploit the mint of At Attin or repurpose it? As Chancellor he would have had the access to the knowledge of the Republic mints?
#askeck Was there every any "Operation Valkyrie" (from ww2) style conspiracies against Vader or Palpatine from within the imperial military. There must certainly have been more than enough resentment given Vaders/Palpatines interference in military matters, terrible plans (falcon tracking beacon), personal obsessions and executions. The only true success the Empire had in the films was the one in which Vader had the least to do with at Hoth.
#AskEck I was wondering about your thoughts on a couple of in-universe explanatory theories regarding technology that I've cobbled together from online and from my own thoughts; 1: That the Old Republic game setting (Great Wars era) looks so similar to the OG 6 movies aesthetically because of a rumored "Dark Age" between that time and the Sith Wars leading up to the Brotherhood of Darkness/Ruusan Reformation and rise of Bane, a sort of technological reset where a LOT of in-use tech and culture was lost and had to be regained? 2: That the eccentricities of visual range space combat and space combat in general, such as the over manning of ships, being a galactic cultural prejudice against AI, droids, and automation? Given how many Droid Rebellions have happened in both canons and the recent Clone Wars souring everyone on the idea of AI controlled ship weaponry and function? Edit: the out of universe explanations of course being that the ToR developers wanted to draw in the casual SW movie audience and not the niche KotOR audience, and that Lucas wanted to evoke WWII dogfighting and the tech he was familiar with was very analog anyway. Funnily enough, we in real life have made great strides SW hasn't in terms of wireless networking and tech miniaturization. Also sorry again for the spam, I saw that you replied to this comment on your mouse droid video, but I can't access your reply to it for some reason.
@nickilraptor19_66 the gameplay reminded me of Empire at war, but the graphics looked nothing like it. Because I have Empire at War and its expansion pack, so I can see maybe a mod with different graphics so are you sure? Because I thought they made more RTS Star Wars games recently
@@christressler3857 I can't be 100% sure about anything. But at least 99.9% for this one. If the game you're asking about is at exactly 5:45, then it's Empire at War. If you look up some gameplay from some mods like Thrawn's Revenge, Awakening of the Rebellion or Remake (but the list goes on), you'll be surprised at how much they can make the game almost unrecognizable and full of new content. EckhartsLadder is also posting gameplay of some Empire at War mods these weeks on his second channel EcksToo, check it out if you're interested.
That idea of the battle behind the battle really isn't shown well in the movies. Not that its an easy thing to do, but I feel like they could have done more to present that idea.
#AskEck Why was Grievous such a large threat to Jedi? As he was non Force user and couldn't defend himself against Force powers, couldn't any Jedi easily hoist him in the air or throw him off the nearest cliff or something?
#AskEck When Timothy Zahn swung by Minnesota (2024), he liked the fan name N’k V’nsable so much that he accepted the character concept sheet of a Tiger looking Cathar with a lion’s mane like hair, & how he could be a great rival to Thrawn, despite originally being on the same side before he was taken away by the Purrgil, but now on opposite sides, due to the Cathat’s loyalty to his people, not the interstellar galactic government. Your thoughts on Thrawn’s visual arts vs N’k V’nsable’s war of words?
5:19 is it just me who thinks that this station looks a bit like the prison platform from Andor? Would it be too outlandish if it was a space station that was partially submerged in the ocean? It wouldn't be the first time Star Wars has done this.
#AskEck why didn't the first order use tie interceptors instead of tie fighters because i thought tie interceptors were planning to replace the tie fighters because they were better
#AskEck how come the Jedi sometimes were killed by droids? Could they not just create a force shockwave and force jump away? I’ve never understood how a literal Jedi with a saber could get killed by droids.
#AskEck How successful do you think a series of animated films would be for star wars? Lucasfilm animation have produced some really great episodes for Disney plus in the bad batch and Clone Wars. Some 90min films in the same animation style, maybe even straight to streaming could do really well. Could even get those unreleased Clone Wars arcs.
I got a better question? How come folk dont explode when a lightsaber hits flesh? Because they probably should. And shouldnt Jedi all have sunburns from their lightsabers? Or at the very least need welders goggles to protect their eyes from the glare?
7:35 "KotOR 2 HK-47: How to K*ll Jedi" Also if lightsaber fights made sense then it would just be "who's faster to turn the saber off and on at the opponent's face/body"... 👀
#askeck In season 6 episode 1 of TCW. We hear general Tiplee mention a rumor of an anti clone virus. Could this be related to the clone gas Dr. Hemlock uses in the bad batch? We know he knows the emperor and vise versa. Palps could've been funding this off to the side during the clone wars in case somethung happened to the clones, since he was all about contingency plans.
This is exactly why throwing out the EU was the death of Star Wars under Disney, they threw out all of the leg work that decades of writers did for them. It's like Disney throwing out Marvel comics after that acquisition and never adaptation or using any character or plotlines past Avengers 2012.
This reminds me of a conversation I overheard about the Planet Of The Apes remake from 2001. This guy was giving all of these Neil deGrasse Tyson, How The Universe Works reasons why the physics of how the pods going into the electromagnetic storm and ending up thousands of years into the future made no sense. His friend said The Talking Monkeys Didn’t Make Sense. It’s Science Fiction. If You Wanted To See Science Facts, You Should’ve Stayed Home And Watched Old Carl Sagan Cosmos Videos! Star Wars has pig people, a planet full of Big Foots, and stuff in your blood that can make you see the future and shoot lightning from your fingertips. But lightsaber fights make no sense? Bruh it’s science fiction/ fantasy!
Stories still have to abide by their own rules, even if they're not ours. Just because Lord of the Rings is fantasy doesn't mean Frodo Baggins can just snap his fingers to summon an AH-64 Apache gunship. That would break the in-universe rules.
I don’t like the Yuuzhan Vong for a number of reasons, but mostly I dislike how they serve to rationalize the Empire with the implication that the Emperor wanted to prepare for their invasion. The Empire doesn’t need to be rationalized. It can just be a tyrannical govt run an evil power hungry wizard.
Yay, the OG theme!
I noticed that immediately too lol
🥰😭🤲
I just realized that Star Wars lore is just a bunch of people trying to rationalize the Rule of Cool.
That's true of most stories. If you can justify the cool, then it tends to work better than having no explanation. See Davy Jones in POTC. Davy Jones is, at the end of the day, a cool pirate design with tentacle beard, peg leg, kraken, etc. But the explanation of him cutting out his heart, his love, and slowly losing his humanity, turning him into a cruel villain makes it work.
Yes, and?
How to Fix Star Wars:
1) Make it cool
2) Let the fan's imaginations cook
3) Silently nod and agree to anything that doesn't blatantly break canon
4) You win
Its fun it's like a writing exercise, or an exercise in imagination
Any nerd lore that doesn't have a rational basis for what is cool about it was not produced before 2008.
I missed hearing the og theme so much. Means more than you know putting it back in man, hope no trouble comes from it.
They just fight or else there wouldn't be no stories about legendary fights, if everyone force choked each other it would be boring
As my father would always tell me as a kid, "It's in the script."
It would be kinkier, tho.
Personally I don't find choking that boring
Use the "I'm squishing your head" from Kids in the Hall
Honestly I disagree. Realism is never boring
I had a book I got at a scholastic book fair when I was younger that explained how lightsabers work, had diagrams of all the movie sabers, all the lore on various types of crystals, and it did a lot of explaining essentially this question.
One of the reasons I love star wars. Nothing makes sense until you get an answer.
and then it even makes less sense in certain cases and well, a special kind of people are also keen to ignore the answers
It's not that it doesn't make sense, it's intuitive. Come up with your own answers. Every time we get concrete answers we "get because the bacteria in your body make you force sensitive", which is dumb and dispells the mystery and fun
@@smithjack1741 Midoclorians are kinda dumb. I was talking more about why blockades are so small.
I'm reminded of "Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight" where in the boss fights against Sith if you tried to pull a gun they just used force pull to take it away from you forcing you to use the lightsaber.
incredibly vivid old memories sparked by this comment
wait, YOU GOT YOUR OUTRO BACK?!?!
YAY
I can not over state how happy I was to hear the original exit music today. Literally made my day.
Ah. So that's the limits. It's physical. The Force itself is limitless, but the mortal body is not.
Every magic system has a limit.
Very well said
Legends literally had the Emperor cloned die from being imploded by the Dark Side Force Storm.
But KK decided on rebooting A New Hope but female... 😢
Particularly when it came to the Prequels I *do* genuinely think they thought about the battles being of body, mind, and will/soul. I'm unsure it's ever explicitly stated but it's heavilly implied multiple times that there is more going on than just the physical fighting and that fits absolutely perfectly in recontextualizing the OT battle between Obi-Wan and Vader, even the way the shots are held implies that there are deeply powerful things going on underneath the surface from the begining and this further context just cements that. Having said that I think it's a big missed opertunity for Star Wars media to not have attempted to visualise or at least narrate this unseen battle for viewers during a fight as it could lead to some spectacular depth and it'd be very compelling. I suppose it'd be somewhat difficult to do without it being tacky but I think they could manage it so long as they were very careful and respectful of the force in doing so
It's also likely that as a visual media part of the draw of Star Wars was the swordfight-like combat between Obi-Wan and Vader or Vader and Luke, if showing the non-action aspect of the Force it seems less "impressive" to a casual observer. The fact it was partially using the Force against each other makes sense during both Ep.V and Ep.VI when Vader either tries to throw Luke off-balance by throwing objects at him or reading his thoughts; "Sister, so you have a twin sister. Your feelings for her have made ou weak."
The thing about the Jedi combat is shown in the Clone Wars Cartoon series very well where it is shown how Grievous only handled Force wielders so well by breaking them with fear before he attacked. Duku even warns him NOT to engage a Jedi until he has disbalanced them or he would lose.
"So, the first thing you need to do is use the Force to protect yourself, otherwise your opponent will use it agaunst you to disarm you. We all learn this, both Jedi and Sith, so you will never be able to successfully use Force attacks on your opponents in a duel"
"Ah. So, when I fight a Force-muggle like Cad Bane or Jango Fett, I should just disarm them with the Force rather than be drawn into a long fight that could affect the fate of the galaxy if I lose?"
"....."
Both the Thrawn and Dark Empire Trilogies also make a point about the limitations of using the Force. C'Boath and Luuke Both die to Mara because the former overextended himself with his need to mentally control all the clones on Wayland. The Resurrected Emperor loses control of his own Force Storm when Luke and Leia envelop him with the Light of the Force.
Damn right you went back to the og outro theme. Vibes
Didn't know that about the force shield thing exactly. So Matthew McCleskeys videos about Anakin turning off lightsabers in those training duels with Obi-Wan were onto something...for those that don't know he made a short animated series about activating / turning off lightsabers as a trick during battle.
#ASKECK I've often considered one of the differences between the light side and the dark side of the force to be that when using the light side you're negotiating with the force, asking or even pleading for a particular outcome, while using the dark side you're being more forceful, demanding or maybe even ordering a particular outcome. But I'd love to hear your take on this, whether I've got it right or if I'm completely off base.
"So, why do Jedi / Sith not use the force more in battle and less lightsaber?"
"Because the story needs to happen."
Star Wars battle front 2 (2018) gives a decent depiction on using the force in combat and why Jedi a Sith don’t just spam it. The game portrays forces users as having certain amount of force reserves at a given moment and would have to wait to build up their strength again after using it. It’s risky as it not guaranteed to work given that an opponent can parry your force attack with their own. Because of this, it’s normally always a back-and-forth between two duelist, constantly trying to find openings.
Absolutely love the old outro being back. Also what about starkiller in these situations?
Hot dog, the og outro music is back! I take it the problem is resolved then?
Original Trilogy: *lightsaber fights with classic samurai duels*
Prequel Trilogy: *lightsaber fights with fast paced and awesome sequence*
Sequel Trilogy: *lightsaber fights with whacking each other via glorified glowing baseball bats*
Original trilogy: thought out provocative duels with the lightsabers representing each combatants' emotional states
Prequel trilogy: flashy and soulless
Sequel trilogy: boring
There was soul in the prequel’s albeit way less emotion than original.
@@Korijenkins1414 What exactly makes it soulless?
@@Korijenkins1414try and tell me that Anakin vs Obi-Wan duel on Mustafar is "soulless", while something like Vader vs Obi-Wan duel on the Death Star is somehow better and more emotional.
@Mudoh415 dude it was not soulless the amount of time Hayden and Ewan put into it is proof of that.
Why lightsaber fights make sense:
They're cool, shut up.
I remember people ragging on Kylo Ren’s saber design after TFA but…swords have cross guards for a reason. One thing I wondered since I was a small child watching the OT on vhs was why didn’t Luke or Vader just slide their blade down the other blade and cut each others’ hands.
In my head Canon the blades have insane friction against each other.
#AskEck I've actually got a weird question: say you put 2 light sabers in a really strong grip made out of phrik or something else, facing each other emitter to emitter and the distance between would be smaller than the 2 blade length combined. You then activate both at the same time - what would actually happen? Is it mentioned anywhere?
#Askeck The Inquisitor program isn't a bad idea in order to compete against remaining Jedi. However, knowing that they are weaker than sith, they still are strong in their own right, but it's mostly not the case for 1 reason, why do Inquisitors suck at their job for what they do?
A good inquisitor is a strong force user, Sidious did not want that.
Because they fight plot armor and are jobbers
I always saw the inquisators as hunting hounds. You send them to kick the grass and see what they find. Anyone interesting enough to deal with them might be worth Vader getting out of his goo.
#AskEck Why aren't astromech droids used more to fill more roles on larger larger ships? I don't mean for weapons systems, but for piloting, and whatnot. It would cut down on the amount of manpower typically required, and should theoretically work because astromechs are show to be able to interface a ship's central computer. So wouldn't it just be easier overall if you could just order one droid to increase power to the engines from the bridge, instead of having to relay the order to several people through comms?
I'd imagine there is stigma cause of the CIS for droid operated ship systems along with some of the droid rebellions throughout history. In the Thrawn Trilogy there is also mention of how the Katana fleet disaster caused people to be weary of automated ship systems.
Because Star Wars makes no sense, that's why.
Such a good answer
Rule of Cool.
Makes more sence then modern warhammer atleast
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Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, Arachnids, Zerg, Rachni, Terminids.
#AskEck what would happen if a jedi/sith tried to block slugs from a slug thrower with their lightsabers? I've heard that the lightsaber would disintegrate the slug like how it cuts through most physical objects, but I've also heard that it would melt the slug and result in molten metal flying at the jedi/sith which would actually be worse than a physical slug. I would like to hear your thoughts.
In the case of Plaugeis's near death at the hands of non-Forceful assassins, they were exceptional at their art and trained to combat force users. Tho they initially went expecting one of their targets was a Force user, being the professionals they are treating every assignment with the same lethal efficiency, they cooly execute their infiltration of the Canted Circle without telegraphing their intent. Their emotions are controlled. Their thoughts aren't wandering. By the time he realizes something is amiss, they have already struck.
Plagueis for his part is distracted and so arrogantly confident in his upcoming ascension in the galaxy he hadn't even considered an attack possible. He was also in a position where revealing his power was a risk, so public use of the Force was something they (The Rule of Two Sith) considered a last resort with consequences that would have to be addressed. Such as making sure there were no witness, unless vetted in the in.
So the Maladians got the jump on him and caught him with blows that would have been lethal for any non force user without his level of control over his own physiology. And once he counter attacked they adjusted their tactics and target priority. He may have been eventually overwhelmed if not for the timely arrival of Sate Pestage (or was it Doriana?) and the Echani Sun Guard.
The great analysis. The Plagueis book is just pure chef's kiss
The counter to Force choke is as simple as just Force pushing the choker.
I think a lot of media producers just don't realize that.
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I've been watching you for a few years now. Absolutely love your content. I watched Star Wars for the first time in 2020 (it was Episode V), when I was 9 or 10 at the time. Afterwards, your content really boosted my interest in Star Wars. I wanted to expand my knowledge and understanding of Star Wars Legends, or generally the non-canon side of Star Wars (the stuff not in the movies or TV shows). I wanted to ask where to start and which books to read in what order. I do hope you see this comment. Keep up the great work!!
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#AskEck Not necessarily a question, but I'm curious about your thoughts on this:
I don't know any specific lore on force powers or lightsabers, but I have a couple theories on why they seem so inconsistent. For the force, I imagine that "grabbing" an object is more like putting a barrier in space, rather than honing in on a specific object. So grabbing a starfighter for example would be a lot harder than looking at the ship and grabbing it; you have to know where it is going to be by the time you achieve the focus to put up that barrier.
This wasn't addressed but I kind of want to talk about it anyway: Why do they spin their lightsabers so much? I think of lightsabers as less being bats and more like unwieldy magnet-thrusters that are always exerting a force (no pun intended) on your hand. If you hold it wrong, it'd feel really heavy. To keep their momentum going, it's way more efficient to swing and spin it around than to put in the energy to stop it from moving. You can even see when Grievous turns on his lightsabers in RotS that his arms react to them turning on.
Of course, all of this is my own headcanon. I assume canon/old canon have a completely different explanation that kyber crystals like spinning because that's a good trick.
You make an interesting point.
How wood you defend reach on the ground and space
What's the game at 0:21?
Star Wars Hunters, it's a really fun mobile game.
Its pretty good yeah
Has there ever been a reason why lightsabers instantly shut off when knocked out of someone's hands and dont stay ignighted and fall to the core of a planet?
Safety feature it is.
The rule of cool to me is: 1. Wow that 's cool! 2. Watsonian explanation 3. Memery. On that last note, why didn't they just have the eagles drop the photon torpedoes into the coolant shaft?
In my headcannon it was always that Jedi and siths use lightsabers to fight other force users and using force to defeat non-users
They make no sense sunce they never really go for appendices or anything, theyre always aiming for other lightsabers. They just look so fucking cool
Honestly the Rule of Cool has documented cases throughout history, especially in medieval times
i think it’s plot convenience but interesting lore answer 🤯
2:53 Anakin, not Jacen, but the point still stands.
I think he's talking about the end of NJO. Anakin's was a little different.
I remember playing Jedi Outcast and Academy, as soon as I got force grip every enemy saber-swinger who picked a fight with me next to a lethal height could be dispatched with a flick of the wrist
Guess they didn't have their shields up
In academy, at least, i remember many force users using force push to negate my force grip.
Eck uploads, i like. i am simple.
Because a lightsaber fight has more dramatic tension. Hand to hand combat in general lets the opposing characters confront each other face to face. It makes for more compelling storytelling.
#AskEck I had a question in my mind- Did palpatine disobey the rule of two by allowing maul to live after their encounter in mandalore? He had Dooku as his apprentice back then, so why did he not kill Maul to abide by the rule?
1:50 i just wanna say how much i love swtor, which is a lot
The best way to take down super star destroyers was actually heavy fighters. SSDs would have a lot of turbolasers and thus lack sufficient weaponry to combat smaller ships. So x-wings could get in, destroy all the hard points, and turn a Bellator into a useless massive floating hunk of metal. Yes you could slap regular laser cannons onto an SSD, but then it'd do poorly against larger ships like Mon Calamari cruisers. So why build an SSD when several smaller and cheaper ships like Victory-class frigates, or IPVs could be spammed out to defend planets and instillations?
Force Shield as retconed later, and actually never became official canon. Question first appeared about Luke's duel with Vader on Bespin , i.e. why Vader didn't choke Luke and why Luke didn't destroy Vader's breathing apparatus. There was also question why someone didn't use Force against general Grevious , when Mace Windu did crush Grievous lungs in one episode of Clone Wars mini-series etc .. Overall, SW always had many plot holes, but they were somewhat overlooked when franchise was popular.
tbf: Vader didn't wanted to kill Luke on Bespin, but the other way round still stands
@@enisra_bowman True, but he could have subdued him with force choke.
@@aleksazunjic9672 maybe he thought: "Well, it didn't worked the Last Time"
@ Last time was not yet invented, tho 😁
I remember corrans father in law had a sick space station during the bacta war too
#AskEck Could you cover some of the smaller stories such as the ones from The Lost Tribes of the Sith, Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Empire, New Republic, Jabbas Palace, or Mos Eisley Cantina? Millennium Falcon, or ESPECIALLY Crucible would be amazing as well. There's a lotta lore that I have trouble summarizing in them and, especially with Lost Tribes and Millennium Falcon, wild and somewhat outlandish subplots that tie into thousands of years of stories and widen aspects of the force and create that sense of mystery of the force I experienced when reading the Old Republic stories for the first time and seeing all the force abilities. Hell Millennium Falcon even explains why you can see it in episode 3 going to the senate building. I know that's a lot, but any of this would be content I haven't really seen covered before.
Yeah, that's what I think was cool about Yoda and the Emperor in the original movies that got lost in the prequels. They absolutely looked like they were so powerful that they could just use the force however they needed in a fight and not have to use lightsabers at all. I think it would have been much cooler to have them not need them, but instead we get BeyBlade Palpatine and crazy jumping Yoda.
But Yoda wouldn't use the force that offensively, as it went against the "teachings of the Jedi" whereas Palpatine used his sadism and hatred for the Jedi to the fullest in his technique.
I get that it was cartoonishly over the top, but i wouldn't want it any other way. Them both just duking it out with the Force alone couldn't have happend, as Palpatine was very aware that this was the area he didn't had the upper hand in fighting Yoda and so their lightsabre duel was necessary for plot reasons.
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I know it's sci-fi, but is there an in-universe explanation as to why people don't just go flying when a ship enters/exits hyperspace? People dont seem to be strapped in, so when a ship accelerates or deccelaretes due to hyperspace, you'd think everyone would be smashing against their ships' walls.
#AskEck Who were the Lost Jedi, other than Count Dooku? Interested in learning their reasons for leaving the Order.
8:02 vibing!
Did the Empire televise (or whatever the Star Wars equivalent is) the battle of Endor in order to show to Galaxy the power of the Death Star as well as show how quickly and effectively they thought they were going to put an end to the Rebel Alliance?
#askeck
My head canon was that lightsabers were made so force users could more easily kill other force users who had the ability to counter force powers. Sorry, I haven't read enough extended universe stuff to know if there's evidence in favor or against this head canon 😔
I always wondered why General Grievous even presented a formidable threat to the Jedi in the first place. He has no Force abilities and is just highly trained in lightsaber combat by Count Dooku.
Why didn't the Jedi simply use the Force to mess with him? Lift him up into the air to immobilize him, toss and slam him around like a ragdoll, pin him against walls and ceilings, or Force push him off cliffs? Or simply turn off his lightsaber blades repeatedly or rip the hilts out of his hands from a safe distance? How about using the Force to whip his cape up and wrap around his head to blind him or snare and trip up his robotic body? He had no Force abilities at all to counter these tactics or form an anti-Force bubble to surround himself with.
I literally had fan boys in the Star Wars Reddit tell me with a straight face that it's because I "lack imagination" (despite my giving lots of various imaginative ways one could use the Force to mess with Grievous) but then fail to elaborate why the above tactics wouldn't work on Grievous. Make it make sense, lol.
Is his cyborg body made of a special metal that automatically nullifies the Force? Does his alien species naturally form an anti-Force field around their bodies? But Grievous is just a brain, eyes, and pair of lungs at this point. Is that enough of his original biological cell mass left remaining to form an anti-Force bubble?
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Funny light stick fight
I feel like lightsaber battles outside the prequels never felt actually lethal. They tend to aim for the blade and not actually strike the opponent
I mean… they aim for the blades in the prequels.
@@MrInfinity418 but not as much
@@paulrasmussen8953 no…it’s as much. It’s actually way more than the ot.
Nothing wrong with that. They’re designed for camera, not reality. The prequels are fast paced and solid choreography.
@MrInfinity418 can't disrove it
@ I mean i can “disrove” it.
You however can choose to ignore it.
Nick gillard the stunt coordinator for the prequels openly in interviews acknowledges he wasn’t going for realism. His criticism of other Star Wars media duels is actually that they focus on realism too much. Nicks a stunt director/performer first. When developing any fight scene is main focus is performer safety followed by what’s best cinematically
You can also watch the prequel duels and notice they aim for sabers and pre determined clash points. Go watch duel of fates at half speed.
Esb and rotj fight coordinator was Bob Anderson an Olympic medalist and master fencer. Any trained swordsman will tell you the ot represents far superior swordsman ship.
Hey Eck, what Star Wars factions would some of your favorite and least favorite NHL teams belong to?
#AskEck What do you think the reasons Palpatine did not exploit the mint of At Attin or repurpose it? As Chancellor he would have had the access to the knowledge of the Republic mints?
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Was there every any "Operation Valkyrie" (from ww2) style conspiracies against Vader or Palpatine from within the imperial military. There must certainly have been more than enough resentment given Vaders/Palpatines interference in military matters, terrible plans (falcon tracking beacon), personal obsessions and executions. The only true success the Empire had in the films was the one in which Vader had the least to do with at Hoth.
#AskEck What is the best version of the X-wing and why?
Using the Force more instead of saber dueling wouldn’t be super epic!
You say it is difficult to redeploy a defense station. Well how would one redeploy said stations?
#AskEck I was wondering about your thoughts on a couple of in-universe explanatory theories regarding technology that I've cobbled together from online and from my own thoughts;
1: That the Old Republic game setting (Great Wars era) looks so similar to the OG 6 movies aesthetically because of a rumored "Dark Age" between that time and the Sith Wars leading up to the Brotherhood of Darkness/Ruusan Reformation and rise of Bane, a sort of technological reset where a LOT of in-use tech and culture was lost and had to be regained?
2: That the eccentricities of visual range space combat and space combat in general, such as the over manning of ships, being a galactic cultural prejudice against AI, droids, and automation? Given how many Droid Rebellions have happened in both canons and the recent Clone Wars souring everyone on the idea of AI controlled ship weaponry and function?
Edit: the out of universe explanations of course being that the ToR developers wanted to draw in the casual SW movie audience and not the niche KotOR audience, and that Lucas wanted to evoke WWII dogfighting and the tech he was familiar with was very analog anyway. Funnily enough, we in real life have made great strides SW hasn't in terms of wireless networking and tech miniaturization.
Also sorry again for the spam, I saw that you replied to this comment on your mouse droid video, but I can't access your reply to it for some reason.
What's the game played at 5:45+? (sorry)
The game is Star Wars: Empire at War (2006). To be precise, the version shown in the video is modded, the mod is called Thrawn's Revenge.
@nickilraptor19_66 the gameplay reminded me of Empire at war, but the graphics looked nothing like it. Because I have Empire at War and its expansion pack, so I can see maybe a mod with different graphics so are you sure? Because I thought they made more RTS Star Wars games recently
@@christressler3857 I can't be 100% sure about anything. But at least 99.9% for this one.
If the game you're asking about is at exactly 5:45, then it's Empire at War.
If you look up some gameplay from some mods like Thrawn's Revenge, Awakening of the Rebellion or Remake (but the list goes on), you'll be surprised at how much they can make the game almost unrecognizable and full of new content.
EckhartsLadder is also posting gameplay of some Empire at War mods these weeks on his second channel EcksToo, check it out if you're interested.
That idea of the battle behind the battle really isn't shown well in the movies. Not that its an easy thing to do, but I feel like they could have done more to present that idea.
#AskEck Why didn’t the Clone Troopers and by extension the Stormtroopers have some type of bayonet-like device on their blasters?
7:30 - 7:50 is the same reason a droid like HK-47 could actually kill Jedi and regularly
#AskEck Why was Grievous such a large threat to Jedi? As he was non Force user and couldn't defend himself against Force powers, couldn't any Jedi easily hoist him in the air or throw him off the nearest cliff or something?
#AskEck When Timothy Zahn swung by Minnesota (2024), he liked the fan name N’k V’nsable so much that he accepted the character concept sheet of a Tiger looking Cathar with a lion’s mane like hair, & how he could be a great rival to Thrawn, despite originally being on the same side before he was taken away by the Purrgil, but now on opposite sides, due to the Cathat’s loyalty to his people, not the interstellar galactic government. Your thoughts on Thrawn’s visual arts vs N’k V’nsable’s war of words?
5:19 is it just me who thinks that this station looks a bit like the prison platform from Andor?
Would it be too outlandish if it was a space station that was partially submerged in the ocean? It wouldn't be the first time Star Wars has done this.
Sword fighting in movies about samurai space monks doesn't make sense, I don't even know where to begin here, you're shitting me right?
#AskEck why didn't the first order use tie interceptors instead of tie fighters because i thought tie interceptors were planning to replace the tie fighters because they were better
You don't make any sense. (Joking)
why they don't make sense Now*
this is the reason
One word: Disney
They ruin almost everything they touch
@@arthurfleck629 good, explain what they changed that didn't made sense in Legends
also shure you understood Stephen King?
idk im just wishing they would make 45 minutes straight of space doritos and space cucumbers shooting green and red glowy shit at each other.
People don't realize that lightsaber battles happen very quickly and they just slow it down so we can watch it.
#askeck
How did the bothans develop their spy ring and keep it strong during the empire?
#AskEck how come the Jedi sometimes were killed by droids? Could they not just create a force shockwave and force jump away? I’ve never understood how a literal Jedi with a saber could get killed by droids.
#AskEck
How successful do you think a series of animated films would be for star wars?
Lucasfilm animation have produced some really great episodes for Disney plus in the bad batch and Clone Wars. Some 90min films in the same animation style, maybe even straight to streaming could do really well. Could even get those unreleased Clone Wars arcs.
I got a better question?
How come folk dont explode when a lightsaber hits flesh? Because they probably should.
And shouldnt Jedi all have sunburns from their lightsabers? Or at the very least need welders goggles to protect their eyes from the glare?
I don’t think I’ve ever been this early to one of his videos 😭
Who’s Anakin Solo?
I know someone knows Star Wars if they can explain the Force Shield.
7:35 "KotOR 2 HK-47: How to K*ll Jedi"
Also if lightsaber fights made sense then it would just be "who's faster to turn the saber off and on at the opponent's face/body"... 👀
#askeck In season 6 episode 1 of TCW. We hear general Tiplee mention a rumor of an anti clone virus. Could this be related to the clone gas Dr. Hemlock uses in the bad batch? We know he knows the emperor and vise versa. Palps could've been funding this off to the side during the clone wars in case somethung happened to the clones, since he was all about contingency plans.
This is exactly why throwing out the EU was the death of Star Wars under Disney, they threw out all of the leg work that decades of writers did for them. It's like Disney throwing out Marvel comics after that acquisition and never adaptation or using any character or plotlines past Avengers 2012.
They’re cool, they don’t have to make sense.
Just force crush your opponents elbows or knees-
Or heart.
This reminds me of a conversation I overheard about the Planet Of The Apes remake from 2001. This guy was giving all of these Neil deGrasse Tyson, How The Universe Works reasons why the physics of how the pods going into the electromagnetic storm and ending up thousands of years into the future made no sense. His friend said The Talking Monkeys Didn’t Make Sense. It’s Science Fiction. If You Wanted To See Science Facts, You Should’ve Stayed Home And Watched Old Carl Sagan Cosmos Videos! Star Wars has pig people, a planet full of Big Foots, and stuff in your blood that can make you see the future and shoot lightning from your fingertips. But lightsaber fights make no sense? Bruh it’s science fiction/ fantasy!
Stories still have to abide by their own rules, even if they're not ours.
Just because Lord of the Rings is fantasy doesn't mean Frodo Baggins can just snap his fingers to summon an AH-64 Apache gunship. That would break the in-universe rules.
TLDR: The genre
Rule of Cool
Lightsaber fights make plenty of sense.
I don’t like the Yuuzhan Vong for a number of reasons, but mostly I dislike how they serve to rationalize the Empire with the implication that the Emperor wanted to prepare for their invasion.
The Empire doesn’t need to be rationalized. It can just be a tyrannical govt run an evil power hungry wizard.
I tell you what makes no sense: having a fight anywhere near the surface of a lava planet.