I feel like he is loosing alot of games because he doesn't realise how good a card entitled customer is, in one of the games against the mech mage(a board focused deck) he had 2 different ways in hand to get more customers, giving him 3 potential board clears, instead he played a scorpion to get a spell he didnt use, both the bounces stayed in his hand to do nothing, and he died cause he had no board clears
My exact thought. Tempo 3/2, get another board clear, anything besides just sitting on a dead card the entire game. What is he hoping to do instead, Reno twice?
He's losing a lot because he's playing a deck archetype that Blizz doesn't want to exist, there's no place for a control/value deck in Hearthstone anymore.
It's a win/win that he decided not to go aggro DH. Win for us because it's more interesting to see how this unorthodox deck will play out, and Win for Trump because it'll take more videos to reach Legend, and therefore more revenue. Truly a value play!
Ignore the haters, if this deck is fun for you go ahead! Have a blast! The no. 1 tip I could give you is to value your Entitled Customer more though, there's a comment up there that makes a lot of sense about the customer being invaluable board clear
Lmao, I can't believe he went out of his way to put in a 5 mana do nothing card. The amount of tempo it loses is ridiculous and the value of it's draw is tiny.
In the demon hunter game around 30:00 minutes he didnt hit face with the multistrike because if you attack first and then play multistrike you cannot attack face just minions, learned that the hard way myself.
The final deck looks very interesting. At first it looked like a bit of a pile to me, but I can see how the vision could come together. I do think Dreadlich Tamsin was important to craft first though, that card is so cracked.
"Dang, I keep dying before I can take advantage of my decks incredible value. I think I'll remove a bunch of defensive tools to make room for more value cards!"
Hearthstone is a game where you are restricted by your health. THe Idea that generating the most value is the best is clearly absurd because you have only an finitive amount of time to establish and use your ressources. Trump isnt smart about his ressources
So the weakness in playing forge of souls was that you drew from a limited pool of cards in your deck, so you were incentivized to keep it early. But it was a very low tempo play that weakened you severely because you couldn’t play all the cards you got. Just like a few high cost Murlocs I know…
I love your dedication to value. It's an inspiration. The final deck plan looks decent enough, you just need to learn to use your bounces when you can - entitled customer is one heck of a card.
Seems like this deck has too many murlocs in it to be honest, 6 other murlocs and only 1 ravager is maybe a bit excessive. Makes it less reliable at tutoring your Mutanus / Gigafin which I imagine is a big part of why you would want it in this sort of deck.
@@daanarents6375 arguably the poison murloc is okay, and dredge is good regardless. Trump's thinking seems to be to run enough murlocs to make crawler make sense
@@JohnsGamingFun Poison guy is passable in f2p but in this situation isn't worth diluting murlocs for, and 4 mana 4/4 that only dredges unless you highroll one of the big murlocs seems fairly bad.
@@WD_Gaster66 You don't actually care about maximising drawing cards with it as this deck though, you should just care about the tutor because they are win cons in a lot of cases. As we have seen in the games Trump doesn't need it to actually draw a lot, his hand is normally pretty clogged.
So, thank to this serie i re-got back in hearthstone and on my first 10 packs i got from doing "the starting missions" i got already both tamsin and the colossus, truly a sight of destiny that wants me too to go to legend with this deck :kekw:
I can’t decide whether or not I’m happy to see this deck continued or not, it was really starting to frustrate me with it being so inefficient however I love trumps crazy deck ideas come to life and succeed (sometimes)
Watching these games has just reaffirmed how much I hate Discover and card generation. These mages just never ever seem to run out of steam and its frustrating to watch because conservative play and smart strategy no longer exists. "I vomited my hand and got boardwiped? No problem its full again!" These mechanics either need to be completely phased out or restructured to some capacity.
Ironicly the mayor of value town needs to play more to the value of his cards. Hes to hesitant to zola and brew the value boardclears/heals. I think hed win more games that way. Btw can anyone count how many colossi were needed to win if it came to that win con? I believe he never needed more than 3.
Wow bold move committing so hard. I think this deck is definitely more fun given the use of colossals but boy is going to be difficult to get to legend
Started f2p play through cuz of this, opened Kurtrus and a some good demon hunter cards, been having a blast with that class. Got my own Reno experiment with warrior going on as well 1-3 rn :’(
I really don’t understand why Warlock has fullblown evil. Isnt Warlock supposed to have very powerful boardclears but the drawback is that it also damages their OWN board? Why does FBE only target enemies?
I agree with not building aggro demon hunter. The f2p run should be a race to X-dust and craft the cheapest meta deck. It feels much more authentic to see you slowly shape this reno deck. I like this choice anyways.
Is the thought behind jaraxxus that it would just be a win more card because you don’t need more value as you rely on the colossuses? Idk I feel like it could be an additional win condition and the game is slow enough to set it up
In your honor, I started a new account… I’m at apprentice 30 facing literally nothing but super optimized Aggro Demon Hunters, Mech Mages, Pirate Warriors, Quest Hunters and Control Warriors… I gotta say, I’m usually a top 1000 legend wild player, I like the wild meta more than the standard apprentice rank meta.
I can see how this deck is an improvement over the previous one. Though Faelin still does absolutely nothing, at least Trump does not waste mana playing him.
I feel he raised the mama cost of the entire deck which made him lose more tempo and then on top of that makes him greedier for value, he dies before even getting a chance to use those cards
i understand that mechmage is nowhere near a strong deck, but it still feels like the amount of mecha sharks generated, and the strength they have, would definitely warrant a nerf in stats or manacost
20:33 trump I love you but that is the freest fucking Entitled Customer clear I've ever seen. I get that the sheep means you can't pull it back to your hand, but you're killing his entire board and you can slam down Crushclaw or the scorpid scot-free EDIT: okay you got lucky and got a good Sheep-fair enough.
With just getting legendary from newest set, wouldn't it be better to open packs from any other set? With how f2p players are trying to collect as many cards as possible, this challenge shouldn't include disenchanting.
Wow that game against that mech mage... that was RNG at it's finest... ~Wow that quest hunter sure is a new player, as the guy in the chat who said Tavish is core, Tavish(hero) is garbage on quest hunter, why summon thing when you can just kill your opponent? But honestly I kinda don't blame him, people usually doesn't know how to play Quest Hunter...
This is always when the ftp run becomes less fun for me. New players would never dust so many cards right out of the gate like that. I know it's not a 'new player' simulation, but it always feels like it up to this point, then it just becomes a constructed run to Legend. =/
Yeah it's weird. That and the arena runs being what they are. At least he was forced to craft stuff and miss on a lot of opens this time, instead of it being hand-fed. But might as well call it a Smurf race to legend - because dumping all the dust for the short term Legend rank is NOT the F2P experience. Unless one is a dummy with no intention of staying the long run.
@@Frostphyre2 I mean you can not craft if you really want to, it'll just take a season or 3 so more to grind dupes for dust. When I used to play I would disenchant cards that seemed like they had no potential too, as F2P you need to understand that you won't get a full collection and should probably just pick a class or two to stick with unless you play a lot.
Scenario 1: Trump really thinks that this deck is good. Scenario 2: he knows that it's awful, but he likes the challenge and he thinks that the audience loves it It is impossible to tell which one is true.
3: He has adopted the cringe king personality as his new strategy to maintain or even increase his popularity (a tested and viable strategy) 4: His delusions have finally taken him past the line of his sanity
F2P players be warned: Do NOT follow Trump's example. This is not the way to build a successful long-term F2P account. His first round of aggressive dusting locked him into a weak class (Warlock), and this latest round ensured that he'll never be able to play anything else. He's only able to do this because he knows he'll never have to use this account again, as he has his normal, non-f2p account to go back to, where he owns all the cards.
Trump should not be running out of board clears against mech mage. I've played my own version of Renolock many times, and every time I always fatigue a mech mage with plenty of clears still in hand, even when they get a bunch of Gaias & whatnot. Warlock has a lot of clears, and trump's deck had a lot of ways to bounce his entitled customers as well. His playstyle is just way too greedy for the deck to shine. Granted Renolock is not a great deck by any means, but it should NOT be losing against mech mage.
Good players when they lose: hmm let me think of all the ways I could have played that better Trump when he loses: aargh let me go through the list of all the reasons I didn't make a mistake
Throughout this F2P I feel like trump has a bad habit of tapping even when he doesn't need more cards or will die next turn if he does. His warlock decks haven't had cards that benefit having more cards in hand and he doesn't have the ability to recover from playing so passively like warlocks control decks in the past could. Love the madman who would craft Mutanus over Dreadlich Tamsin.
no actually, I do not want you to keep playing this deck. Been rooting against it from the beginning and have been hoping you'd change decks... oh well, best of luck
The only way to do a f2play is going infinite in arena off free entry. Otherwise you destroy your own collection to force being stuck playing one deck for months lol
I will stop watching now.. you play really poorly, made another terrible deck instead of something actually good which was possible ages ago.. its episode 22 and you are still in wood tier.. how is that even possible?
I believe that a strong pilot makes even the most linear deck look interesting, but all I see is cringe and cope trying to get fancy but weak stuff work
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I feel like he is loosing alot of games because he doesn't realise how good a card entitled customer is, in one of the games against the mech mage(a board focused deck) he had 2 different ways in hand to get more customers, giving him 3 potential board clears, instead he played a scorpion to get a spell he didnt use, both the bounces stayed in his hand to do nothing, and he died cause he had no board clears
My exact thought. Tempo 3/2, get another board clear, anything besides just sitting on a dead card the entire game. What is he hoping to do instead, Reno twice?
@@vandekiller it’s even funnier because he said the weakness of the deck was not having enough board clears
Yeah if he cut reno and actually put in good cards he wouldn’t need the heals
Brewmaster litterally stuck in hand doing nothing every game while there are options to use it, i thought he liked value?
He's losing a lot because he's playing a deck archetype that Blizz doesn't want to exist, there's no place for a control/value deck in Hearthstone anymore.
It's a win/win that he decided not to go aggro DH. Win for us because it's more interesting to see how this unorthodox deck will play out, and Win for Trump because it'll take more videos to reach Legend, and therefore more revenue. Truly a value play!
And win for all the people he loses to because he's playing weaker decks
Oh no!
Gorloc Ravager escaped that one Arena episode into the Standard! We're doomed.
I really appreciate how Trump recognizes he could get legend with an aggro DH list but doesn't because he knows that's lame as hell.
I gotta say I really love your F2P runs. Like my favorite Hearthstone content!
I started a F2P account and am following very closely. You made the game fun for me again lol thank you
Oh and first lol
Tip #1 - build a different deck. Lmao
Tip #2 Lose to 30 damage in 1 turn from either demon hunter or regular hunter.
so you made an 2nd account for f2p huh
Ignore the haters, if this deck is fun for you go ahead! Have a blast! The no. 1 tip I could give you is to value your Entitled Customer more though, there's a comment up there that makes a lot of sense about the customer being invaluable board clear
Lol after Gorloc Ravager cost him every arena game he kept it in his opening hand he is making it a major part of the deck. This will be fun.
A 5 drop with no tempo effect and bad stats shouldn't be kept in the opening hand? Say it ain't so!
@@TheMirksta Guff hero card? There are plenty of bad tempo cards with high mana costs that despite that have been a keep in the mulligan.
@@ruukinen The power level of Guff is significantly higher than Ravager, enough to justify the short term tempo hit.
@@ruukinen guff is tempo. Gain 1-2 mana crystal is inherently tempo for next turn. Ravager is slow and takes multiple turns for payoff
Lmao, I can't believe he went out of his way to put in a 5 mana do nothing card. The amount of tempo it loses is ridiculous and the value of it's draw is tiny.
In the demon hunter game around 30:00 minutes he didnt hit face with the multistrike because if you attack first and then play multistrike you cannot attack face just minions, learned that the hard way myself.
The final deck looks very interesting. At first it looked like a bit of a pile to me, but I can see how the vision could come together. I do think Dreadlich Tamsin was important to craft first though, that card is so cracked.
I think tam would be better as well
He said he gets it for free later though, so while the card is better, it is not worth spending the dust on it would seem
@@ThePizzaMan48 which is cool cause its really emulating a free to play experience
@@Jimbychimp Exactly it!
I'm a sucker for a Murloc deck, so now I'm even more invested than I was before (which was a pretty high hurdle to hit).
"Dang, I keep dying before I can take advantage of my decks incredible value. I think I'll remove a bunch of defensive tools to make room for more value cards!"
Hearthstone is a game where you are restricted by your health.
THe Idea that generating the most value is the best is clearly absurd because you have only an finitive amount of time to establish and use your ressources.
Trump isnt smart about his ressources
Yep. Dropping doomsayer was a big mistake.
Best series on your channel. It has been such a fun journey so far!
That comeback against murloc warlock was epic
13:00 At least trump had the super imba 5 mana do nothing card! Truly keeping it in the starting hand won that game
So the weakness in playing forge of souls was that you drew from a limited pool of cards in your deck, so you were incentivized to keep it early. But it was a very low tempo play that weakened you severely because you couldn’t play all the cards you got. Just like a few high cost Murlocs I know…
I love your dedication to value.
It's an inspiration.
The final deck plan looks decent enough, you just need to learn to use your bounces when you can - entitled customer is one heck of a card.
That mech mage got unreasonably lucky, dear lord.
The RENO-vation!
I'm so glad Trump always knows what we want, it will remain a mystery to me how he does it every time! Well done, sir, I must applaud.
Seems like this deck has too many murlocs in it to be honest, 6 other murlocs and only 1 ravager is maybe a bit excessive. Makes it less reliable at tutoring your Mutanus / Gigafin which I imagine is a big part of why you would want it in this sort of deck.
Agreed, the poison and dredge murloc make little sense
@@daanarents6375 arguably the poison murloc is okay, and dredge is good regardless. Trump's thinking seems to be to run enough murlocs to make crawler make sense
@@JohnsGamingFun Poison guy is passable in f2p but in this situation isn't worth diluting murlocs for, and 4 mana 4/4 that only dredges unless you highroll one of the big murlocs seems fairly bad.
Actually not really, since a lot of the times Gorlock draws less then three murlocs
@@WD_Gaster66 You don't actually care about maximising drawing cards with it as this deck though, you should just care about the tutor because they are win cons in a lot of cases. As we have seen in the games Trump doesn't need it to actually draw a lot, his hand is normally pretty clogged.
So, thank to this serie i re-got back in hearthstone and on my first 10 packs i got from doing "the starting missions" i got already both tamsin and the colossus, truly a sight of destiny that wants me too to go to legend with this deck :kekw:
I can’t decide whether or not I’m happy to see this deck continued or not, it was really starting to frustrate me with it being so inefficient however I love trumps crazy deck ideas come to life and succeed (sometimes)
After watching these last few videos I wouldn't blame the deck... Mr Value is too value-oriented.
Watching these games has just reaffirmed how much I hate Discover and card generation. These mages just never ever seem to run out of steam and its frustrating to watch because conservative play and smart strategy no longer exists.
"I vomited my hand and got boardwiped? No problem its full again!"
These mechanics either need to be completely phased out or restructured to some capacity.
Ironicly the mayor of value town needs to play more to the value of his cards.
Hes to hesitant to zola and brew the value boardclears/heals.
I think hed win more games that way.
Btw can anyone count how many colossi were needed to win if it came to that win con?
I believe he never needed more than 3.
It's nice see this F2P series. Also, playing with one of the worst classes at the moment makes it a real challenge, really fun to watch.
Why does Gigafin look strange in the deck tracker until it is drawn?
Did that... last mech mage just get told by their mom that dinner was ready? What was that concede?
Wow bold move committing so hard. I think this deck is definitely more fun given the use of colossals but boy is going to be difficult to get to legend
Man knows what I want and I want more colossai in the deck!
Started f2p play through cuz of this, opened Kurtrus and a some good demon hunter cards, been having a blast with that class. Got my own Reno experiment with warrior going on as well 1-3 rn :’(
sir winley was part of the master plan
I thought that he was gonna go druid! Lmao. Also, what a rough last game
why did the tavern brawl get cut? that looked like a really fun game
I really don’t understand why Warlock has fullblown evil. Isnt Warlock supposed to have very powerful boardclears but the drawback is that it also damages their OWN board? Why does FBE only target enemies?
Because nowadays decks can only be viable if they have no downside
The final game: New Hearthstone summed up perfectly.
As long as you dont forget to play the cards.. they will win the game.
I agree with not building aggro demon hunter. The f2p run should be a race to X-dust and craft the cheapest meta deck. It feels much more authentic to see you slowly shape this reno deck. I like this choice anyways.
Good call for murlocs. But Quest Warrior thinks diferent. 😅😅😅 Hang on Mayor! 🙌
"You want me to play this deck!" - yet another reno control-lock that leads him to lose games in ways he immediately chalks up to Variance.
Gigafinning mechashark is the most baffling play he could make
so glad you decided to stick with this deck I think it is super fun the games are always on that knifes edge makes for really fun watching
Is the thought behind jaraxxus that it would just be a win more card because you don’t need more value as you rely on the colossuses?
Idk I feel like it could be an additional win condition and the game is slow enough to set it up
It's horrible in aggro matchups and doea nothing the turn it's played
NGL, I'm not even an F2P player, and yet this deck is hella fun to play.
In your honor, I started a new account… I’m at apprentice 30 facing literally nothing but super optimized Aggro Demon Hunters, Mech Mages, Pirate Warriors, Quest Hunters and Control Warriors… I gotta say, I’m usually a top 1000 legend wild player, I like the wild meta more than the standard apprentice rank meta.
You won too much
I can see how this deck is an improvement over the previous one. Though Faelin still does absolutely nothing, at least Trump does not waste mana playing him.
Faelin is needed for other control decks
tinyfin ... GIGAFIN ... that was great :D
I feel he raised the mama cost of the entire deck which made him lose more tempo and then on top of that makes him greedier for value, he dies before even getting a chance to use those cards
are we really planning on Reno + Dreadlich Tamsin?
i understand that mechmage is nowhere near a strong deck, but it still feels like the amount of mecha sharks generated, and the strength they have, would definitely warrant a nerf in stats or manacost
How many f2p runs has he done with warlock ?? This is the second one I’ve seen but not sure if he’s done more than 2 with warlock or not?
gotta love seeing dh get owned by reno jackson!
In this episode of "Trump Chokes on Value"...
Appreciated.
We could build an aggro DH and get to legend easily, but that wouldn't be the deck BEFITTING THE MAYOR OF VALUETOWN!
This is the longest F2p series ever
Trump: The mega Faelin combo is perhaps too slow.
Also Trump: Gorloc Ravager value!
Why not Tam hero card?
20:33 trump I love you but that is the freest fucking Entitled Customer clear I've ever seen. I get that the sheep means you can't pull it back to your hand, but you're killing his entire board and you can slam down Crushclaw or the scorpid scot-free
EDIT: okay you got lucky and got a good Sheep-fair enough.
With just getting legendary from newest set, wouldn't it be better to open packs from any other set? With how f2p players are trying to collect as many cards as possible, this challenge shouldn't include disenchanting.
Ravager is such a random edition to this deck, 5 mana do nothing on board on todays meta?
Should’ve done Tamsin over Mutanus
Wow that game against that mech mage... that was RNG at it's finest...
~Wow that quest hunter sure is a new player, as the guy in the chat who said Tavish is core, Tavish(hero) is garbage on quest hunter, why summon thing when you can just kill your opponent? But honestly I kinda don't blame him, people usually doesn't know how to play Quest Hunter...
jarraxus?
When will trump use brew/zola on entitled customer. That in itself is a win condition cuz they are forced to not commit, buying him more time.
8:53 "non-brainer"
why did the opponent take 2 damage at 14:15 ?
He made the murloc cost health instead of mana
@@BannockMeatball ah, I must have missed that. Thanks 👍🏻
Watching Trump dust tons of cards in a f2p video: >:/
Realizing he is crafting a horrendously bad Renolock deck with said dust: :D
man a hellfire would've been good that first game huh, and game 2 huh
This is always when the ftp run becomes less fun for me. New players would never dust so many cards right out of the gate like that. I know it's not a 'new player' simulation, but it always feels like it up to this point, then it just becomes a constructed run to Legend. =/
Yeah it's weird. That and the arena runs being what they are. At least he was forced to craft stuff and miss on a lot of opens this time, instead of it being hand-fed.
But might as well call it a Smurf race to legend - because dumping all the dust for the short term Legend rank is NOT the F2P experience. Unless one is a dummy with no intention of staying the long run.
@@Frostphyre2 I mean you can not craft if you really want to, it'll just take a season or 3 so more to grind dupes for dust. When I used to play I would disenchant cards that seemed like they had no potential too, as F2P you need to understand that you won't get a full collection and should probably just pick a class or two to stick with unless you play a lot.
14:35 canibalism! 😢😢😢
Love Trumps arrogance has been getting progressively more aggressive throughout the series. The more he loses the more confidence he gets! Haha
Murenolock deck!
Scenario 1: Trump really thinks that this deck is good.
Scenario 2: he knows that it's awful, but he likes the challenge and he thinks that the audience loves it
It is impossible to tell which one is true.
3: He has adopted the cringe king personality as his new strategy to maintain or even increase his popularity (a tested and viable strategy)
4: His delusions have finally taken him past the line of his sanity
Good lord this is some hardcore copium, he's trying so hard to pretend he doesn't know his deck is completely fucked
Trump would have won vs the first Mech Mage if he just used Zola or Brew on the Customer
F2P players be warned: Do NOT follow Trump's example. This is not the way to build a successful long-term F2P account. His first round of aggressive dusting locked him into a weak class (Warlock), and this latest round ensured that he'll never be able to play anything else. He's only able to do this because he knows he'll never have to use this account again, as he has his normal, non-f2p account to go back to, where he owns all the cards.
Trump should not be running out of board clears against mech mage. I've played my own version of Renolock many times, and every time I always fatigue a mech mage with plenty of clears still in hand, even when they get a bunch of Gaias & whatnot.
Warlock has a lot of clears, and trump's deck had a lot of ways to bounce his entitled customers as well. His playstyle is just way too greedy for the deck to shine.
Granted Renolock is not a great deck by any means, but it should NOT be losing against mech mage.
Trump makes a new deck, loses the first game and blames it on variance...
Never change trump :D
Good players when they lose:
hmm let me think of all the ways I could have played that better
Trump when he loses:
aargh let me go through the list of all the reasons I didn't make a mistake
Throughout this F2P I feel like trump has a bad habit of tapping even when he doesn't need more cards or will die next turn if he does. His warlock decks haven't had cards that benefit having more cards in hand and he doesn't have the ability to recover from playing so passively like warlocks control decks in the past could. Love the madman who would craft Mutanus over Dreadlich Tamsin.
lost to a deck that runs lone champion oof
People conceding because Trump is going too slow is peak Trump
no actually, I do not want you to keep playing this deck. Been rooting against it from the beginning and have been hoping you'd change decks... oh well, best of luck
Not a huge fan of this deck, but at least it isn't face hunter or aggro demon hunter.
Ok who wanted him to keep playing this deck? WHO??
The only way to do a f2play is going infinite in arena off free entry. Otherwise you destroy your own collection to force being stuck playing one deck for months lol
Ever thought of making bottomfeeder?
BIG Chungus!
With this deck he will not reach Legend. :(
Pox Nora
Imagine creating a deck that revolves around self healing and outlasting your opponent, and then removing the guaranteed draw for Reno.
Top Trump.
One of the people who commented on the video very early and is flexing even though it means that I don't have a life.
Can we get that again but in English?
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it was a bad joke on how people always comment first on a video
Quest Hunter needs to go away.
It's an aggro deck with midrange value generation.
Quest hunter is as far away from aggro as you can ever get. It is a combo/control deck.
@@istvanmagi473 it's an aggro deck insofar that its entire purpose is to go face. It also has combo/control tools.
Bro it is infuriating watching you misplay by roping.
Disenchanting everything to craft a tier 1 deck is cheat because you wouldn’t do that if that was your main account
I will stop watching now.. you play really poorly, made another terrible deck instead of something actually good which was possible ages ago.. its episode 22 and you are still in wood tier.. how is that even possible?
Hearthstone is just crap. Mech and Pirate are paint by number which makes for bad content. I respect your sticking to warlock as painful as it is.
I believe that a strong pilot makes even the most linear deck look interesting, but all I see is cringe and cope trying to get fancy but weak stuff work
First!
1st
Mech mage seems balanced!!