I feel like they should have known better. This was entirely preventable. As you said, many die that way, they really should have known better. At the end of the day, I feel bad for Zhora's family, they must have been devastated. I'm glad though that Elia was saved by his injury, saving his family from the pain of losing him. Thank you for the thorough coverage. You always do an amazing job bringing these cases to us.
Every death is a tragedy but it was especially said to hear about Mr. Topol, who sounded like a very good man. I mean, he looked after the mountain and picked up the rubbish left by others, and the mountain took his life.
The effects of altitude can make people forgetful and slow their reactions. They are more likely to make mistakes that they would never make at ground level.
"Hero" is a sadly over-used word. Climbers may certainly have courage to challenge themselves against nature's harshest conditions, but it is not heroic. Nor is uneccesarily putting yourself in harm's way when you have a young family.
@@via45 You might have noticed the word unnecessarily (don't know how you could miss it since I unfortunately spelled it wrong). There is a difference between people who do dangerous jobs for a living, and people who climb mountains for kicks. My husband served in the Australian Army for 30 years (and the British Army for 7 years before that) and retired as an RSM. There is absolutely NO correlation between soldiers and mountain climbers.
Thank you so much for the video! I really love your channel, all of the footage and I appreciate your work. Would it be possible to change the transition effect between the pictures so it's less flashy with the white light? It's making it hard to watch for people that are sensible to light (e.g due to epilepsy or neurodivergence). It would be awesome if you considered the change. Thank you again for a great content!
I agree with you about the quick white flash that cuts from one scene to another, it can be mildly irritating if it’s done a bunch times with only a second or two between them, but other than that I always enjoy everything else that makes up every upload . Just to clarify, I’m certainly not trying to detract anything from your productions Archie. 👍
Such sad unnecessary deaths! I do agree that people with families, particularly small children should maybe rethink their plans to climb mountains, cave dive or do other inherently dangerous activities. You are not replaceable in the life of your family
'Heroes' forsake their happiness and risk their lives so that others can live or the world can become a better place. Climbing a mountain to satisfy your ego does not fit the description of a hero. This is my personal opinion of course...
while I know about the danger of CO, my brain always associated it with old stoves and unmaintained chimneys. This was a real eye opener for me. Would it be feasible to make burners with a CO detector and an automatic cut off ?
I watched all your videos and now watching them over and over. I am not into hiking and climbing but I like to watch these stories. I love how you put so much effort and hard work into your videos
I agree with your observations toward the end of the upload. These things should be done before and after having (a) young children (child). Once you have children its completely irresponsible to take such large risks with your life. Once they are living their own independent lives you can easily return to such activities IMO ALLEGEDLY
I really enjoy your videos and i watch the old ones over and over until new video is uploaded. I even suggest your channel to my friends. Keep up the good work and thank you 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Informative and sensitive treatment of this tragedy. Just a shame. What a sad thing to have happened to these climbers and their loved ones. Thanks for the video.
I really love being outside, tenting, hiking, kayaking but the moment I'm married and have kids everything will be reduced to cute walks in the park. My colleague has 2 young children and is constantly crashing his cars or is getting his licence revoked because he was doing over 200kmh again. I have zero respect for him. You can be an adventurous adrenaline junkie or a family person. Not both.
Of course it's tragic - mainly for the wives and children who are the ones who pay the biggest price for these 'accidents'. But I find it hard to sympathize with climbers or anyone who does things they know they shouldn't be doing then suffer the consequences of their actions. We are all responsible for the decisions we make after-all. Even a well taught child knows you don't light a fire in a tent
Unfortunately these climbers were reckless with something they knew was a real and present danger and paid the ultimate price. Left behind are loved ones scarred for life. They're no heroes, nor villains. Just fools. Sad story.
i think calling them heroes is strange, or at least their deaths weren't very heroic. but carbon monoxide is very easy to die from and i think a lot of people can't quite wrap their minds around the severity of the risk. they think "oh, it'll just be for a little while, i'll be fine" when all it takes is a little while to die from it. in the 2021 power outages in Texas, several people died from carbon monoxide poisoning because they left their cars or gas stoves running to provide heat. it's insanely tragic, and while one would hope experienced mountaineers would know better... it's not always that simple. people get careless or they get desperate. just a tragic situation all around.
You sound like pne of those soilders who think they are better than everyone. If those "heros" are really heros then they are murderers too. U know how many lives are saved on mountains like these? Heros from war are only heros to other soldiors. Not the people
Wow, I think it's terribly sad that it ended the way it ended. Maybe the mountaineers should really be more serious about the CO. When it comes to their families, I think everyone should have the right to follow their dreams and do whatever they want but also know the risks (do it as carefully as possible). It's sad though the guy left a wife with three small kids. They'll never get over this.
There’s no heroism in self aggrandizement. Climbing a mountain because you’re infatuated with its eternal nature is by its own description all about the climber wanting to prove something and provide bragging rights.
Anyone who drives a car, especially on the highway, takes a huge risk every time. That is one of the biggest killers of people. Yet no one thinks we should stop driving cars. Anyone who swims in the ocean, or a lake, or takes a canoe or kayak or sailboat, takes a risk. There are also many deaths connected with these activities. Anyone whose house has gas cooking or heating is also at risk of CO poisoning. Is mountaineering more dangerous? Maybe. But we do it much less often than more mundane activities which are also risky. So the idea that it is somehow immoral to do it is simply ridiculous.
The difference is that activities like driving a car or cooking at home are necessary for daily life, and so the risks associated with doing those things are mostly unavoidable. Taking part in extreme sports like mountain climbing means going out of your way to do something very dangerous, which can be irresponsible if there are others who depend on you.
@@Lasers666 I don't think you have read my entire post. I know it is long, but try to get through it all. Not every drive in a car is necessary. In fact, many are not. And car accidents result in far more deaths. Swimming in a lake or the ocean or even a pool, is not necessary either, and also not an "extreme sport" as you so label mountaineering, and yet certainly more people die drowning than mountaineering. We can say the same of canoing, sailing, and many other activities which even people who are not daring at all would consider ordinary activities. I do not see any logic in the argument that it is "immoral" to take risks with mountaineering or any other sport, certainly not when risk is not a very predictable quantity, and when so many daily ativities are also full of risk.
Really missing your videos Archie. You’re the best. Always interesting and different. Hope all is well.
Come back dude; we need more videos 😍
I feel like they should have known better. This was entirely preventable. As you said, many die that way, they really should have known better. At the end of the day, I feel bad for Zhora's family, they must have been devastated. I'm glad though that Elia was saved by his injury, saving his family from the pain of losing him. Thank you for the thorough coverage. You always do an amazing job bringing these cases to us.
Every death is a tragedy but it was especially said to hear about Mr. Topol, who sounded like a very good man. I mean, he looked after the mountain and picked up the rubbish left by others, and the mountain took his life.
The effects of altitude can make people forgetful and slow their reactions. They are more likely to make mistakes that they would never make at ground level.
And the extreme cold too, it freezes your brain and thought process
I love your channel and your kind way of telling a story. And I love learning about non usa/Europe centred stories!
"Hero" is a sadly over-used word. Climbers may certainly have courage to challenge themselves against nature's harshest conditions, but it is not heroic. Nor is uneccesarily putting yourself in harm's way when you have a young family.
That could be said for ANY SOLDIER
@@via45 You might have noticed the word unnecessarily (don't know how you could miss it since I unfortunately spelled it wrong). There is a difference between people who do dangerous jobs for a living, and people who climb mountains for kicks. My husband served in the Australian Army for 30 years (and the British Army for 7 years before that) and retired as an RSM. There is absolutely NO correlation between soldiers and mountain climbers.
ARCHIE PLS COME BACK😢
No one with young children should do such risky activities!
So no one with children should be a firefighter? They have risks. Also a number of occupations that many people have.
Especially when your country keeps killing people in the neighbor country.
@@davidclark9964firefighters save other people’s lives though
Yey, you are back. Finally❤❤ we have missed you. I am to old for this but I clicked so fast, was actually engaged otherwise hehe. It's a compliment❤❤
An amply underappreciated channel.
Great narration and structure to your videos
Thank you so much for the video! I really love your channel, all of the footage and I appreciate your work.
Would it be possible to change the transition effect between the pictures so it's less flashy with the white light? It's making it hard to watch for people that are sensible to light (e.g due to epilepsy or neurodivergence). It would be awesome if you considered the change.
Thank you again for a great content!
I agree with you about the quick white flash that cuts from one scene to another, it can be mildly irritating if it’s done a bunch times with only a second or two between them, but other than that I always enjoy everything else that makes up every upload .
Just to clarify, I’m certainly not trying to detract anything from your productions Archie. 👍
Such sad unnecessary deaths! I do agree that people with families, particularly small children should maybe rethink their plans to climb mountains, cave dive or do other inherently dangerous activities. You are not replaceable in the life of your family
'Heroes' forsake their happiness and risk their lives so that others can live or the world can become a better place. Climbing a mountain to satisfy your ego does not fit the description of a hero. This is my personal opinion of course...
I agree. What a sad legacy to leave for their wives and children.
First time I've ever heard about climbers dying in this way.
Not just climbers but also just people out camping etc
There are quite a few uploads on YT in which people have died this exact way
@@change_your_oil_regularly4287how can i find these videos?
while I know about the danger of CO, my brain always associated it with old stoves and unmaintained chimneys. This was a real eye opener for me. Would it be feasible to make burners with a CO detector and an automatic cut off ?
I watched all your videos and now watching them over and over. I am not into hiking and climbing but I like to watch these stories. I love how you put so much effort and hard work into your videos
New video and from Lenin peak ❤ great mountain
Husband, father, no- climber! The dude in flip flops who cleaned up peoples litter, much missed. 🙏I'm sure his wife agrees..
I agree with your observations toward the end of the upload.
These things should be done before and after having (a) young children (child).
Once you have children its completely irresponsible to take such large risks with your life.
Once they are living their own independent lives you can easily return to such activities
IMO ALLEGEDLY
I've ❤ your channel so glad your back. I look forward to your new videos. Your true Crime Channel is also really good.
I really enjoy your videos and i watch the old ones over and over until new video is uploaded. I even suggest your channel to my friends. Keep up the good work and thank you 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Hey, I was just talking about your channel today! Great video and generally fascinating content
Informative and sensitive treatment of this tragedy. Just a shame. What a sad thing to have happened to these climbers and their loved ones. Thanks for the video.
Selfish in my opinion. Love the stories though just stumbled across this channel. The voice is so important so a big thumbs up from me:) 👍👍👍
We need more videos
Would really love a new video. You mak3 good videos
I really love being outside, tenting, hiking, kayaking but the moment I'm married and have kids everything will be reduced to cute walks in the park. My colleague has 2 young children and is constantly crashing his cars or is getting his licence revoked because he was doing over 200kmh again. I have zero respect for him.
You can be an adventurous adrenaline junkie or a family person. Not both.
How awful! You see so many climbers with lit stoves in their tents and no mention of the CO poisoning risk :( RIP
Wow that's so messed up. I hope people learned.
Excited to see another video. Love the story telling
Guys I'm starting to worry Archie may have gotten lost, up in them mountains!
Thank you very much for these awesome stories❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you!
As far as I know, this mountain is no longer called Lenin peak. Now it is Avicenna peak.
This is so tragic
8 months since the last upload, hope you're alright Archie...
Where are you? 🥲
Of course it's tragic - mainly for the wives and children who are the ones who pay the biggest price for these 'accidents'. But I find it hard to sympathize with climbers or anyone who does things they know they shouldn't be doing then suffer the consequences of their actions. We are all responsible for the decisions we make after-all. Even a well taught child knows you don't light a fire in a tent
Why did this guy stop making videos? His channel was really good. Hope hes OK.
It's very sad they died, and it's also a ridiculous way to die because it was 100% preventable if they had followed the rules. Tragic all around.
Unfortunately these climbers were reckless with something they knew was a real and present danger and paid the ultimate price. Left behind are loved ones scarred for life.
They're no heroes, nor villains. Just fools.
Sad story.
He loved his hobby more than his family. Point
That's it. Cringe-worthy really.
i think calling them heroes is strange, or at least their deaths weren't very heroic. but carbon monoxide is very easy to die from and i think a lot of people can't quite wrap their minds around the severity of the risk. they think "oh, it'll just be for a little while, i'll be fine" when all it takes is a little while to die from it. in the 2021 power outages in Texas, several people died from carbon monoxide poisoning because they left their cars or gas stoves running to provide heat. it's insanely tragic, and while one would hope experienced mountaineers would know better... it's not always that simple. people get careless or they get desperate. just a tragic situation all around.
I served alongside men who are/were hero’s during my deployment so no “hero” is a not a description I’d give to these men.
You sound like pne of those soilders who think they are better than everyone. If those "heros" are really heros then they are murderers too. U know how many lives are saved on mountains like these? Heros from war are only heros to other soldiors. Not the people
Dont take those risks if you have a wife and kids.
Or pets that can only depend on you
Dont join police force
Dont joon army
Dont do any dangerious thing ever.
@@via45One’s a respectable job that helps society and the other is a reckless hobby. Those don’t correlate.
Wow, I think it's terribly sad that it ended the way it ended. Maybe the mountaineers should really be more serious about the CO. When it comes to their families, I think everyone should have the right to follow their dreams and do whatever they want but also know the risks (do it as carefully as possible). It's sad though the guy left a wife with three small kids. They'll never get over this.
There’s no heroism in self aggrandizement. Climbing a mountain because you’re infatuated with its eternal nature is by its own description all about the climber wanting to prove something and provide bragging rights.
Anyone notice the kid in a leave wig?
Obviously immoral and reckless behavior.
They just made a small error with huge consequences. Rip x 2
Lenin peak is beautiful mountains
Better looking camp than everest
Guess this channel is DOA... 7 months, nothing.
If you are narrating you have to be conscious of when your mouth is packed with saliva
Anyone who drives a car, especially on the highway, takes a huge risk every time. That is one of the biggest killers of people. Yet no one thinks we should stop driving cars. Anyone who swims in the ocean, or a lake, or takes a canoe or kayak or sailboat, takes a risk. There are also many deaths connected with these activities.
Anyone whose house has gas cooking or heating is also at risk of CO poisoning.
Is mountaineering more dangerous? Maybe. But we do it much less often than more mundane activities which are also risky.
So the idea that it is somehow immoral to do it is simply ridiculous.
Ikr. These comments are right pricks.
You are comparing mountaineering to driving on a highway? I dont think u are in your right mind to comment
The difference is that activities like driving a car or cooking at home are necessary for daily life, and so the risks associated with doing those things are mostly unavoidable. Taking part in extreme sports like mountain climbing means going out of your way to do something very dangerous, which can be irresponsible if there are others who depend on you.
@@Lasers666 I don't think you have read my entire post. I know it is long, but try to get through it all.
Not every drive in a car is necessary. In fact, many are not. And car accidents result in far more deaths. Swimming in a lake or the ocean or even a pool, is not necessary either, and also not an "extreme sport" as you so label mountaineering, and yet certainly more people die drowning than mountaineering. We can say the same of canoing, sailing, and many other activities which even people who are not daring at all would consider ordinary activities.
I do not see any logic in the argument that it is "immoral" to take risks with mountaineering or any other sport, certainly not when risk is not a very predictable quantity, and when so many daily ativities are also full of risk.
Strawman argument, lol