I thought of an idea for a book character where he’s a Pirate but he carrys around a Martini-Henry. It’s like his signature weapon. (But with fantasy elements as an excuse for the Martini-Henry to exist in the 1700s)
Um..not really. The Zulu's had picked up A FAir number of those from no. 3 column the day before. even odds. I'd chalk it up to that companie's stubborness, more than anything else.
@@jsp7205 Native contengents often deserted WITH their rifkes and ready ammunition, a bunch had been captured at Ishalwanda the day before, and enough illicit trading had been going on for years before to make up a fair sized sharpshooter force. Quite a few of the 24 th. were shot in the back of the head from the hill overlooking the defenses.
th-cam.com/video/z_GQXwQpZI4/w-d-xo.html Prepared defences vs open field. Martini rifles being a common denominator. First rule of the infantry: "DIG IN !"
Its easy to curl your thumb over these rifles like a modern rifle and hit yourself in the face because of the hight of the reciver. Most models had a little thumb pad for you to place your thumb on
Back in the day these full-power loads were used on African big-game. As with the .45-70 cartridge, there were reduced "carbine" loads for the 577/450 Martini - Henry.
Makes sense. It fires a very large and heavy bullet at moderate speeds. The funny part is that it makes the MH one of the few big bore guns to see military use, I guess.
@@Wonderheim. then something went wrong on the first battle after suffering thousands of dead, the Zulu's won it, then lost the war. The son of Napoleon was killed too!
No. The BSA .310 is a training rifle, used by cadets in military schools. I have a couple of those as well. The .577-450 was the weapon used by the British army.
Stop mentioning the ZULU tribes when the British got their asses handed to them with bows, arrows, rocks, knives, hands, feet, teeth before bragging about a rifle firing through four human beings stealing the land and resources of innocent people!!!
Movies ZULU and ZULU DAWN . Well worth watching. Zulu is so accurate it has built up a fan base of people trying to find inaccuracies with it. Both are fantastically great movies.
Its predisessor Enfield is fairly common in New Zealand. Muzzle loaders converted to breech loaders at the Tower armoury. And were the main british rifle during the New Zealand wars in the 1840s. They pack a punch!
I own 3 Martini Henrys 2 from 1878 and one from 1882 a Pattern 4 Martini Henry Enfield works fine. Used some ammo I found back in New York from Kynoch made in june of 1943 still fired perfectly.
@@Luckyrider1958 lol. Never tried it... but if I'm not mistaken, it's like shooting 6 12ga slugs or something like that as far as recoil energy. I just tried to look up the recoil energy now, but for some reason can't find it... cuz I try to be accurate, but I just can't find it now for some reason. When I looked it up the other day though is said there was a couple hundred pounds of recoil energy, which just seemed insane.
@@deucedeuce1572The rifle in this vid looks like it has a good amount of weight to it. Weight helps with recoil. I've shot a lot of 12 gauges and deer slugs, and I don't think that rifle would kick like 6 slugs.
Drill a cavity about 75-80% if the diameter of the bullet, replace the material with a steel ball bearing. Drill deep enough to keep the original dimensions use a small amount of jb weld to hold in place, it should reach the core of the planet, so don't shoot the ground! A steel ball bearing is exceptionally hard. The remaining lead will provide mass to put some energy behind it! Hulk smash! 💥
The limiting factor is the rifle, not the cartridge. When the rifle fires, that brass flows into the cracks, sealing the breech, and the lead is squeezed like toothpaste into the rifling. That's how cartridge firearms have operated for more than 150 years now. That IS a modern cartridge with modern primer, bullet, and powder, that are being constrained by the strength of the action and dimensions and materials of the barrel.
I worked for BSA guns in England and they had quite a few of these in the attic storage and the breech is huge. Makes you pity anyone hit by this round
@@BattlefieldCurator it was one the best jobs I had and going through the attic where they had Bren Guns and Lee Enfields just sitting there was amazing piece of history
The best part of the martini Henry they can be legally own in Britain with a firearms license and that bullet going through 9 pieces of wood I thought it would go through more.
You can watch the full part of the martini henry below. It was a cast bullet and it deformed when impacted. This caused less penetration but more damage, which is ideal for hunting. Bullet Penetration Test | Tokarev, M1 Carbine, Mauser C96, Martini Henry and More vs Pine Wood Slabs th-cam.com/video/ZYXe0c-7zj8/w-d-xo.html
@@Stewart7516can't imagine not having control on which people have weapons that can kill people from long distances. And that it is easy for someone that is mentally unstable. Just not completely insane, so they don't get picked up by school and stuff like that. Will have free regin to get their hands on firearms. Just look at the gun problem in America 😅
Love the rifle and want to buy one but the tag hanging from the trigger guard reminds me of Chevy Chase in Lampoons Vacation pointing the 1911 BB pistol at John Candy in Wally World 😂
hello , I was wondering,what's the penetrating effect on massed ranks of Zulu warriors circa 1879 , how many would be dropped with a single shot.? thinking of the lads at isandluana and rokes drift.
When I was with Mickey Fowler at an IPSC match very long ago around 1985, , I had 250gr .45ACP flat nosed SWCs moving around 900, his comment was "I guess you made Major."
The jacket doesn't make the bullet stronger, it keeps the lead from fouling the rifling at higher velocities, like a factory installed full paper patch. The thing is, you have enough punch through already to ruin the enemy's day even if they bring elephant cavalry. The issue here is energy transfer. If the bullet goes sailing out the back of your target, that's wasted energy. Sure, you could get harder lead allys and swage your bullets to work harden it, to keep it from expanding, but why? It'll already punch through an elephant's head or into its vitals, most of a charging horse, or three to four ranks of enemy soldiers.
They were “Hollywood Hybrid” rifles. The first was Winchester Model 1901 that had been modified with a custom stock, a false box magazine, metal sights, a mahogany leather shoulder strap embossed with floral patterns, a hooked buttplate, and a large tube placed over the barrel to give it the appearance of a large-caliber hunting rifle. The second one was a Daewoo USAS-12 that was outfitted with a scope, drum magazine, and suppressor to make it look like a sniper rifle.
In the 60's in Montreal, there was a pub that had the walls blanketed with rifles, most of them Martini Henrys, nust have been 20-30 of them in there, with maybe 50 total vintage rifles bolted to the walls...wonder where they all ended up.
It’s pine, and it is weathered but not dried out or rotten. Original video here- Bullet Penetration Test | Tokarev, M1 Carbine, Mauser C96, Martini Henry and More vs Pine Wood Slabs th-cam.com/video/ZYXe0c-7zj8/w-d-xo.html
I had one of these 35 years ago. Took it to the range once. She had a whomp for sure. I can imagine how sore the lads at Rourke's Drift were the following day.
Ive had a gahendra & martini henery for years, both in 577-450, i havent got around to firing them yet. Ive got everything to load them except bullet lube, what lube do u use by the way? I like black pdr, the substitutes smells wrong. Both of mine are from napal the gahendra looked tareable but cleand up good, the martini looks great to start with.😊
I asked this on someone's comment but just curious, is it/was it powerful enough for bison sized game? Or mainly used for medium game? I guess im Just wondering how it performed on big game?
Many people under estimate black powder or substitute, I have a replica of the colt walker revolver with 60 grains of triple 7 and a 230 grain lead hollow nose is a force worthy of it's legend. You have to go to a 44 magnum to beat the ballistics, it makes my 1911-45 look weak compared to it.
It’s pine wood. We tested some other rifles and pistols, it was quite surprising. Here’s the original vid 😁 Bullet Penetration Test | Tokarev, M1 Carbine, Mauser C96, Martini Henry and More vs Pine Wood Slabs th-cam.com/video/ZYXe0c-7zj8/w-d-xo.html
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"I own a martini henry for home defense. As the crown armory intended!"
For the Queen!
What are you protecting your home from, a herd of elephants? 🤔🥴😉😂🤣🤣
@@brianlanders8028Fuzzy wuzzies 😂
That’s the equivalent of around 3 Zulus !
@@brianlanders8028 They call it "Castle Doctrine" for a reason.
Old rifles like these are the coolest things ever
Yes! 😁
If you get the chance to have a look at an Enfield conversion, its incredibly clever with what they came up with,and the quality of the workmanship.
I thought of an idea for a book character where he’s a Pirate but he carrys around a Martini-Henry. It’s like his signature weapon. (But with fantasy elements as an excuse for the Martini-Henry to exist in the 1700s)
Part of the folklore of the martini henry is the penetration of four zulus at a time, truly devastating
Damn, I feel bad for those Zulus getting penetrated.
Yea another story of Europeans killing people of color for monetary gains sounds about white 😂😂😂
Heavy slow bullets do penetrate a great deal. It might be plausible that four men’s chests could be penetrated.
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Now you know why the Zulu's at Rorke's Drift were stopped.
yup they sure did
Um..not really. The Zulu's had picked up A FAir number of those from no. 3 column the day before. even odds. I'd chalk it up to that companie's stubborness, more than anything else.
@@panzerdeal8727 Zulu's had no firearms training and were basically ignorant of how to use them.
@@jsp7205 Native contengents often deserted WITH their rifkes and ready ammunition, a bunch had been captured at Ishalwanda the day before, and enough illicit trading had been going on for years before to make up a fair sized sharpshooter force. Quite a few of the 24 th. were shot in the back of the head from the hill overlooking the defenses.
th-cam.com/video/z_GQXwQpZI4/w-d-xo.html Prepared defences vs open field. Martini rifles being a common denominator. First rule of the infantry: "DIG IN !"
Love that rifle. That rifle is the reason those boys at Rorks Drift survived, that and impectible tactics by it's two rookie commanders.
RORKS DRIFT 😊
@@viktormogilin307 sorry, spell check.
“Men of Harlech, come to glory, this will ever be your story…”
At 100 yards, fire! At 50 yards, independent fire!
@@kurtpittsenbargar6956 Stanley Baker and Michael Caine - Zulu, what a movie!
_"Have you tried singing one the Zulu's know ?"_
@@richardspanner5923 Don't know the Zulu language 😊
'I just got back from Africa, playing cards with the natives.'
'Oh, Zulus?'
'No, I usually won'
(The Monkees)
Note to self: thumb not to close to my nose. Got it 👍🏼
Beautiful gun, by the way.
Great for hog hunting one shot one dead hog
Its easy to curl your thumb over these rifles like a modern rifle and hit yourself in the face because of the hight of the reciver. Most models had a little thumb pad for you to place your thumb on
lol. He handled the recoil fairly well I’d say.
Back in the day these full-power loads were used on African big-game. As with the .45-70 cartridge, there were reduced "carbine" loads for the 577/450 Martini - Henry.
Makes sense. It fires a very large and heavy bullet at moderate speeds. The funny part is that it makes the MH one of the few big bore guns to see military use, I guess.
@@TRak598wym big bore muskets were used for hundreds of years
Fun fact: humans used to shoot these at other humans.
Yeah... they were called "cannons". lol.
And they still do, too
Fun Fact on this Fun Fact: the humans were called zulus.
@@Wonderheim. then something went wrong on the first battle after suffering thousands of dead, the Zulu's won it, then lost the war. The son of Napoleon was killed too!
@@Wonderheim.We must remember to honor them with respect.
Beautiful firearm. Powerful round
Just one of the reasons that the Brits won the war of the old deck planks.
To say that round is deadly is an understatement
Lol
Все хорошо, только доски гнилые.
"ABSOFUKINLUTELY!"😮
@@BattlefieldCurator ¿puede atravesar chalecos antibalas?
That's the Zulu Killer rifle.
The guns look very similar but the weapon used by the English were BSA .310 with a martini acrion
No. The BSA .310 is a training rifle, used by cadets in military schools. I have a couple of those as well. The .577-450 was the weapon used by the British army.
Stop mentioning the ZULU tribes when the British got their asses handed to them with bows, arrows, rocks, knives, hands, feet, teeth before bragging about a rifle firing through four human beings stealing the land and resources of innocent people!!!
Yep.
Movies ZULU and ZULU DAWN . Well worth watching. Zulu is so accurate it has built up a fan base of people trying to find inaccuracies with it. Both are fantastically great movies.
Its predisessor Enfield is fairly common in New Zealand. Muzzle loaders converted to breech loaders at the Tower armoury. And were the main british rifle during the New Zealand wars in the 1840s.
They pack a punch!
Yes!
Bro the martini henry is my freaking favorite gun all time
I want to see it in ballistic gel at. 75 yard’s. That will. Definitely. Tell. A. Story
I own 3 Martini Henrys 2 from 1878 and one from 1882 a Pattern 4 Martini Henry Enfield works fine. Used some ammo I found back in New York from Kynoch made in june of 1943 still fired perfectly.
Nice!
The recoil is actually pleasant. More of a push than a kick
Yeah, like pushed in front of a train.
@@deucedeuce1572 it's a mans gun, Guess that's why you cannot handle it?
@@Luckyrider1958 lol. Never tried it... but if I'm not mistaken, it's like shooting 6 12ga slugs or something like that as far as recoil energy. I just tried to look up the recoil energy now, but for some reason can't find it... cuz I try to be accurate, but I just can't find it now for some reason. When I looked it up the other day though is said there was a couple hundred pounds of recoil energy, which just seemed insane.
@@deucedeuce1572The rifle in this vid looks like it has a good amount of weight to it. Weight helps with recoil. I've shot a lot of 12 gauges and deer slugs, and I don't think that rifle would kick like 6 slugs.
That's the way everything with black powder or Pyrodex has done that I've fired.
But I haven't shot anything with a 480 grain bullet.
Looks like the perfect rifle to fight off hordes of Zulu warriors with
Drill a cavity about 75-80% if the diameter of the bullet, replace the material with a steel ball bearing. Drill deep enough to keep the original dimensions use a small amount of jb weld to hold in place, it should reach the core of the planet, so don't shoot the ground! A steel ball bearing is exceptionally hard. The remaining lead will provide mass to put some energy behind it! Hulk smash! 💥
Just imagine if that particular cartridge was made in a smokeless powder with the new metals we have today would be awesome
Psstt... it's called the Rex
The limiting factor is the rifle, not the cartridge. When the rifle fires, that brass flows into the cracks, sealing the breech, and the lead is squeezed like toothpaste into the rifling. That's how cartridge firearms have operated for more than 150 years now. That IS a modern cartridge with modern primer, bullet, and powder, that are being constrained by the strength of the action and dimensions and materials of the barrel.
It would be very much like the contemporary fifty caliber sniper rifle
@Carlosiscool2 it's not, a martini is .45 caliber
I worked for BSA guns in England and they had quite a few of these in the attic storage and the breech is huge. Makes you pity anyone hit by this round
Wow sounds like a fun job to have
@@BattlefieldCurator it was one the best jobs I had and going through the attic where they had Bren Guns and Lee Enfields just sitting there was amazing piece of history
It will KEEL!
🤣🤣👍👍 nice
For the record - “Keep your thumb away from your nose” is just good, useful everyday advice.
It passed thru 9 and left a significant scar on the 10th.
Can you test it on armor plate levels?
A hell of a lot ,pyrodex was used during WWI to replace black powder because of excess smoke.Pyrodex is very carossive
Friend, you may be thinking of cordite. Pyrodrx was not invented until 1975!
Favorite rifle from BF1! (I unlocked the scoped variant)
Nice! 😁 yea it’s one of my favs as well
The best part of the martini Henry they can be legally own in Britain with a firearms license and that bullet going through 9 pieces of wood I thought it would go through more.
You can watch the full part of the martini henry below. It was a cast bullet and it deformed when impacted. This caused less penetration but more damage, which is ideal for hunting. Bullet Penetration Test | Tokarev, M1 Carbine, Mauser C96, Martini Henry and More vs Pine Wood Slabs
th-cam.com/video/ZYXe0c-7zj8/w-d-xo.html
Can't imagine having to have a license to own a firearm... like asking permission to own something 😮😊
@@Stewart7516can't imagine not having control on which people have weapons that can kill people from long distances. And that it is easy for someone that is mentally unstable. Just not completely insane, so they don't get picked up by school and stuff like that. Will have free regin to get their hands on firearms. Just look at the gun problem in America 😅
@@Stewart7516 That's the norm in "liberal" europe
@internationalspacestation7471 thats socialism doing its thing
Just imagine what that bullet does in a body.
Well, one would have to test it in gel 1st, right? Would it expand within the FBI test ballistic gel testing program?
Do NOTever underestimate a black powder firearm!
The original s were drawn brass show some of them but don't try to fire them unsafe
Why should we not underestimate. A black powder fire arm@@DannyJeys
I believe Col Jim Corbett used one of those occasionally to bring down maneating tigers.
Yes sir. He sure did.👍👍
Love the rifle and want to buy one but the tag hanging from the trigger guard reminds me of Chevy Chase in Lampoons Vacation pointing the 1911 BB pistol at John Candy in Wally World 😂
lol… yea my friend tags all his weapons in his collection
The Zulus can testify to it's power
hello , I was wondering,what's the penetrating effect on massed ranks of Zulu warriors circa 1879 , how many would be dropped with a single shot.? thinking of the lads at isandluana and rokes drift.
What a fucking stupid question!!!😢
“What do you use to split firewood?
Martiny henry"
😂
I want him to say welcome to Jurassic Park. That is definitely a Dino hunting pew
I found a new way to split fire wood.
Lol
Damn, imagine what that'd do to a Zulu skull
.577 entry, grapefruit slush exit.
.45 .
I certainly don't wanna get hit by that
Neither do elephants.
The reason the mk4 has that hump is that’s where your thumb is supposed to go the earlier versions had a little checkers spot.
When I was with Mickey Fowler at an IPSC match very long ago around 1985, , I had 250gr .45ACP flat nosed SWCs moving around 900, his comment was "I guess you made Major."
I own a Henry Martini chambered in .357 I love it!!
Nice!
Buddy is definitely the hunter anytime he plays Jumanji
😂
First great shot Dead center. Thats a beast 9 parts separated
That's a dinosaur killer
Haha!
On deer and elk, that's one hole in and one hole out.
Got more bite than a 45-70 government
Right down the center of that wood, like it was shot from a foot away.
That was a lead cast projectile, imagine if that was a FMJ. 😳
The jacket doesn't make the bullet stronger, it keeps the lead from fouling the rifling at higher velocities, like a factory installed full paper patch. The thing is, you have enough punch through already to ruin the enemy's day even if they bring elephant cavalry. The issue here is energy transfer. If the bullet goes sailing out the back of your target, that's wasted energy. Sure, you could get harder lead allys and swage your bullets to work harden it, to keep it from expanding, but why? It'll already punch through an elephant's head or into its vitals, most of a charging horse, or three to four ranks of enemy soldiers.
Is that the rifle they used against the zulus?
Yes
Dam you just killed the intruder a neighbor and someone pumping gas 4 miles away
😂
Lucky Zulus had a cow hide shield.😂😂😂.
Gotta love a martini
Shaken, not stirred.
They still won. Now spring feeds them 3 meals a day
The only Martini I saw that packed a lot of punch in one serving
😂
You know what they say about Martinis , There like a woman’s breast’s ones not enough and threes to many :-)
Great for large game, but maybe a tad overpowered for home defence.😬🤙🏼
I am only using 25 grains of Pyrodex for my Pietta. .454, 142 grain, lead ball.
The good old days of black powder.
What kind of hunting rifle was used for the Jumanji movie with Robin Williams
They were “Hollywood Hybrid” rifles. The first was Winchester Model 1901 that had been modified with a custom stock, a false box magazine, metal sights, a mahogany leather shoulder strap embossed with floral patterns, a hooked buttplate, and a large tube placed over the barrel to give it the appearance of a large-caliber hunting rifle. The second one was a Daewoo USAS-12 that was outfitted with a scope, drum magazine, and suppressor to make it look like a sniper rifle.
In the 60's in Montreal, there was a pub that had the walls blanketed with rifles, most of them Martini Henrys, nust have been 20-30 of them in there, with maybe 50 total vintage rifles bolted to the walls...wonder where they all ended up.
Wow 😯
Does the pyrodex kick less?
What's the overall lowdown on the good/ bad
Load data I had said " fill case with pyrodex". Next time I load these will be Fg black powder
Where on earth did you find ammo?!? I’ve been looking for some for mine for a while!!!
My friend reloads for it
That’s why they added the handy dandy thumb rest of the right side of the receiver…
Good shooting Sir!
That'll blow a lung out!
🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
What kind of wood is that?
Is it green, or dry?
It’s pine, and it is weathered but not dried out or rotten. Original video here- Bullet Penetration Test | Tokarev, M1 Carbine, Mauser C96, Martini Henry and More vs Pine Wood Slabs
th-cam.com/video/ZYXe0c-7zj8/w-d-xo.html
Speed of the 480 grs?
1000-1250. Black powder and old gun.
Performance close to of same as 50A.E.
Not too different than the 45-70Gvt.!!
Is that the same rifle the British used at Rorke‘s drift?
Yes
@@BattlefieldCurator Good, Lord, that’s a beast of a cartridge.
I had one of these 35 years ago. Took it to the range once. She had a whomp for sure. I can imagine how sore the lads at Rourke's Drift were the following day.
Oh jeez, yea no kidding
Imagine if it were a hollow point or a full metal jacket
Did you say the velocity ?
...Ooooooffffttt!!...that'll sort th' Boers out!
Surprised it didn't separate his shoulder too
😂
"Honey, I'm going outside to split some wood."
Lol
When you and the video all say wow at the same time
There is a textured thumb position on the right of the receiver for your thumb - you're not supposed to put it over the rifle
Only on the later ones
Looks like he's going to rock your world.....
Ive had a gahendra & martini henery for years, both in 577-450, i havent got around to firing them yet. Ive got everything to load them except bullet lube, what lube do u use by the way? I like black pdr, the substitutes smells wrong. Both of mine are from napal the gahendra looked tareable but cleand up good, the martini looks great to start with.😊
These bullets were purchased from GunBroker.. I'm using SPG Tropic bullet lube from Buffalo Arms.
I asked this on someone's comment but just curious, is it/was it powerful enough for bison sized game? Or mainly used for medium game? I guess im Just wondering how it performed on big game?
Will would be the guy to ask on that one th-cam.com/video/y0CgynoVmi8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OVcnNDxxQojJHOXW
@@BattlefieldCurator thank you for the info
Legend has it Martini H said we need portable cannons but better .......
Many people under estimate black powder or substitute, I have a replica of the colt walker revolver with 60 grains of triple 7 and a 230 grain lead hollow nose is a force worthy of it's legend. You have to go to a 44 magnum to beat the ballistics, it makes my 1911-45 look weak compared to it.
Is the bullet hard cast?
I have one in my collection, can't find any surplus ammo, what are they worth mine same shape as yours..
How to Find the Value of Collectible or Military Surplus Weapons
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Seems like a big kick! Would love to fire it myself.
How will it do in a 76 Replay
I guess that's a good way to make kindling
That's typically the way I cut firewood also 👍🏼💥
Great way to split up some kindling 👍🙏
It sure is!
That rifle reminds me of Minnie Pearl!
HOOWWWDDYYY!!! The dangling price tag, right?
@@Gerald-do9ygYes. Nobody knows who Minnie Pearl is. It was the hanging price tag. Howdy!
@@bruceparker9353 Hey Bruce, remember her well? A dear Christian lady, and not a bad singer! Thanks for responding, Blessings, gg
I wanted to see how the round expanded
When I saw the name of the rifle, "Kipling" popped into my head.
Didnt he have a story where a crocodile was killed?
The .577 was a paper patched bullet too,
That's so crazy month ago me and my older brother found one of these in the basement and couldn't figure out what it was at first lol
Haha cool
The Martini has a great history. The old casings were like tin foil maybe not that much. But close. Thank-you for this video.
Hat is that cedar decking? Soft ass wood. Try a stage 3 trauma plate thats whT we would live to see. Please. Thank you for the video thou. Love it.
It’s pine wood. We tested some other rifles and pistols, it was quite surprising. Here’s the original vid 😁 Bullet Penetration Test | Tokarev, M1 Carbine, Mauser C96, Martini Henry and More vs Pine Wood Slabs
th-cam.com/video/ZYXe0c-7zj8/w-d-xo.html
A great man once said "you broke into the wrong dam rec room"
Lol
Yes!
When you need to kill a submarine on the other side of a car from a mile away.