Tao Te Ching Chapter 2 Explained: Beyond Good and Evil
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- In this podcast, we will dissect chapter two of the Tao Te Ching to give you ultimate clarity on the meaning of the chapter. This is the second episode of the 81 Meditations of the Tao Te Ching, a series where we will explore each chapter of the Tao Te Ching. In the second episode, we will explain how amorality, the interplay of opposites, and going beyond the duality of good and evil is imperative in understanding the way the natural universe functions, essentially the mentality to align you with the way of the Tao.
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hi Jason hi Gayoung ! I finished reading your book Fasting the Mind. Really enjoyed it. especially the first half. Am reading Trying Not to Try , so far great read too. Thank you for the recommendations.
That's awesome my friend. Don't forget to write a review on Amazon for it, well if you feel compelled to do so. That is great you're reading Slingerland's book. Goo read. You're the best my friend.
Why do you think you can explain the in explainable?Do you really know?
“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right-doing, there is a field. I will meet you there.” -Rumi.
Love it Shawna.
Thank you so much Jason! As a humble and loyal follower thanks for the shout out
For whatever it's worth I do enjoy this podcast and I love how you two present the Tao Te Ching in a way I can digest.
Thank you for your kind words my friend. Your comment means a lot.
"Spirituality is about being ordinary, not extraordinary", that line really got me.
You guys are doing great job, through these podcast explaining eastern philosophy. I pray to Lord shiva that you guys keep spreading the dharma. Love from India.
We will do my dear brother. We are just so stoked that are getting a lot out of the podcast. Only love for you brother.
Hi Jayson....this was a very enjoyable talk and a lot to think about. 2 things really struck me, one was the top heavy rules and regulations that we are forced to live by. The only escape is to follow the path. These laws were set up by people who believe Control and rules are the solution to mankinds problems. Its so tough for people in big cities. If they choose to see a beautiful nature area during their one vacation a year, they have to go thru a gate guard, charged money, and then given a list of rules and regulations they have to follow. The other thing that struck me was "social warriors". It's getting to the point where everyone thinks they have to be a social warrior about something. They will ask you for your opinion which is a booby trap. Every week I have to remind myself of Lao Tzus advice, "silence is the source of great strength". I am polite but will refrain from giving an opionion simply because it leads to some meaningless discourse. It's almost impossible for people to live in big cities and find peace. I am lucky to live in a place surrounded by nature without rules and regulations, a place where you can sit on your porch and enjoy peace and quiet. The Tao is available to everyone even in the cities, but the trick is to not be caught up in the madness. Of course I think people who want to seek the path should get on their Ox and get out of Dodge like Lao Tzu and I did...laughing. Thanks Brother for contributing your ideas and knowledge.
Thank you for your wise words, John. You hit the nail on the head. I bet you were laughing while riding your ox out of society haha. You're the best my friend.
Another good episode. Very enlightening. Thanks!
Thank you for a great podcast. I really enjoy it. One thing stood out to me. When you called the trolls in your comment section for people with lower IQ. I can understand that you are offended, but with all your knowledge, experience and practice, wouldn’t it be bigger of you to accept different opinions more. Since everything in the universe is an expression of the Tao. Even the trolls are an expression of the Tao. Shaped by whatever circumstances they experienced in this lifetime. So getting offended by it and pointing towards their lack of intelligence surprised me.
I often think about this chapter.
Every being in the universe is an expression of the Tao. It springs into existence, unconscious, perfect, free, takes on a physical body, lets circumstances complete it. That is why every being spontaneously honors the Tao.
Keep up the great work.
Cheers.
I'm not sure if you saw the energy of the conversation and how Gayoung and I were making humor about the ridiculousness of the situation, so it wasn't that I was offended but rather dumbfounded haha. Remember, Taoism is not about being moral or pious, as Lao-tzu and Zhuangzi did, they pulled up odd things within culture and society to raise a point. They highlighted the ridiculousness of the world. That is what made their wisdom stand the test of time. They were like wise comedians who were not concerned about moralistic norms. Either am I, that is why I am fine to point out the ridiculousness of such a situation as it is unnatural. Also, be careful when saying an "expression of Tao," that sort of phrase has been warped by the new age version of Taoism. A pure expression of Tao is when one has let go of fighting the current and the river's power becomes yours. Great to hear from you.
Excellent series so far. These videos are helping me understand the message text. My anointing perfectionist complex from education can finally start melting.
As with a Taoist life your teaching at this moment responds directly and effectively to my inappropriate expectation of a perfected world. Just yesterday I reacted to an imperfect action on another’s part and lost sleep in reconciling. Listen to the bells, they ring true.
I'm so glad this chapter sheds light on your current situation my friend. Great to hear from you.
You too? Hello Brother 😁
Just gotta express it:
Found it very beautiful how Gayoung lit up and smiled there at 8:05. Human beauty, I call that.
Namaste
I always love the beginning. Shanti my friends.
Thoroughly enjoying this series so far! I'm learning quite a lot. The teachings really symbolise the psychology I'm striving for in my life. In addition, these ideas really complement work I'm doing related to self inquiry. Many thanks :)
What joy to see my favourite couple talking together in a way which makes marriage seem like a great thing and exemplifies how lovely human beings can be when they communicate well... Alas, beyond good and evil I find it so difficult to not take a stand, a position, a belief... I was raised that way; "you must choose a side"... and as an adult the compulsion can be detrimental when - maybe a month or a year or more later - I am too often mortified at the attitude I once had... but I am learning! Learning to accept, very very slowly, with the help of podcasts like these, that I know very little... travelling was my great education too and hopefully it will be again soon... Dearest Gayoung & Jason, thanks, respect & love as always from Wales!
Always respect and love for you our dear Welsh friend. Thank you for sharing your experience. We are so glad that these podcasts are helping you in many ways. Maybe we will see you on the road one day.
@@JasonGregoryAuthor i would be delighted to bump into you two on the road! best wishes... btw, that moment where Gayoung laughed at the 'troll farm' expression was wonderful!
@@tracywilliamsliterature haha, glad you enjoyed my friend. We are just natural and are not riddled with morality. Some people in the comments don't get that, but you are a natural beauty my friend.
@@JasonGregoryAuthor I get it - i got it from the moment i saw you sit together, i remember thinking "wow, a real couple having an unaffected, natural conversation with no need to impress..." it was a wonderful moment for me to see that humanity - real humanity - exists on youtube! So refreshing and reassuring!
What an amazing comment. I can't wait to show Gayoung your comment. She will be so happy that there are great people like yourself that see from the heart.
In preparing for the upcoming Advanced Dao course I am reviewing the series of podcast. Thanks for putting this series together. ❤❤❤
Thanks guys for helping me to try to understand the Tao Te Ching. I hope it really Will help me to have a more calm mind
You're both so refreshing to listen to. Yeah, please do creatively love life! I eagerly await your adventures!
Thank you Dannie. We will do my friend. Hope you are well.
Thx guys, listening to your pod casts has been time well
Invested. This episode was my favorite listen to date. :)
That's great to hear, Darrell. Thank you my friend.
Much love and respect for you both ❤️ 🙏🏻 💛 💙 💓
thank you for this
Always good episodes and I like your books
Thank you, Terrence. I appreciate you my friend.
1:36:52 - Wow, what an insightful word in Japanese/Nihongo.
Thank you for mentioning this, Jason! Arigato gozaimasu! (polite thank you in Japanese)
Excellent. 😊 Thank you for your work.
Thank you for your gratitude Gavin. The real joy for me is meeting people like you.
Great point about being relaxed in foreign places because you're not trying to impose your will of how things should be there. I've been wondering how to get into "Vacation Mode" at home, and this perspective helps :)
I love you guys 🔥🙏🏼
love you both you are genuine!!
Thank you, Ritu. We love you too my friend.
Thoroughly enjoyed this! Thanks guys!! 😉
You're the best, Tracey. Thank you dear friend.
Hi Jason,
Great podcast. A fan here. I don't quite think Laot Tzu or any Taoist for that matter would call all those 'trolls' or haters people with low IQ or idiots. It is just nature of the thing. People will leave comments, people will create podcasts. And so on... It's all one continuous flow. Taoists tend to control less - which I always found disconcerting put in a mildly wrong context such as if you are getting stabbed by a mugger last thing you wanna do is 'yield'. Taoism is very subtle in that regard. :)
I would be careful saying its "one continuous flow," those sorts of phrases are what make up a new age Taoism developing which bastardizes the tradition. Taoism is much more complex than what you think. I'm not sure if you saw the energy of the conversation and how Gayoung and I were making humor about the ridiculousness of the situation. Humor is a big part of Taoism. Remember, Taoism is not about being moral or pious, as Lao-tzu and Zhuangzi express, they pulled up odd things within culture and society to raise a point. They highlighted the ridiculousness of the world. That is what made their wisdom stand the test of time. They were like wise comedians who were not concerned about moralistic norms. Neither am I, that is why I am fine to point out the ridiculousness of such a situation as it is unnatural. Also, saying "it is just the nature of a thing" doesn't make it natural. And naturalness "ziran" is a core understanding in Taoism. Maybe you overlooked that? Other religions may be concerned about moralistic norms, but Taoism is not, it is only concerned about what is natural and that is why Lao-tzu and Zhuangzi poked so much fun at the world, which coincidently helps the world understand how ridiculous it is.
"Show me a statement that can't be misunderstood and I will devote my life to it." Sufi saying
There are many implications to the above statement, some intelligent and others less so. Maybe one of the intelligent and caring implications is: We ordinarily confuse understanding with the ability to talk about things, to use words convincingly. In reality understanding is non-verbal. Like the being of which it can be said to be a measure (indicator or reflection), understanding is hidden, inward, a result less of changing what we 'know' than of changing ourselves (the substrate or knowing substance) and the way in which we exist. To understand more, we have to be more, have to be transformed. The very substrate that is our knowing substance has to become more coherent. Along this 'dimension' of becoming more coherent, this dimension of being, we find our presence becoming more stable as well as more able to see clearly in circumstances that would have previously left us dumbfounded or in a kind of state that could run from boredom, to turmoil to out right panic. To be more in beingness, for one thing means we can bear more chaos and at the same time act creatively in the face of increasing levels of such chaos.
Thank you
You're welcome my friend.
Thank you so much. 🙏
Thank you for watching my friend.
Thnx for this great talk again, grtz Kazuki from insta
I just got your message and saw your art, Kazuki. Thank you dear friend. So grateful to be connected with you.
Please broadcast also on Rumble.
I totally fuck with y’all! From The Windy City..🙏🏾
the lag is the continuuous component, while the discharge is the discrete part of a mathematical comparison... wherein a fractal can be used to model the cohesion of the interaction... but it will involve i, and also a staggered fractal of a sorts... where timelag is represented, by wuwei...
So the bodily grids, when you feel something you like inside the body in what contexts and when with what gestures do you experience this feeling... piece them all together, and it will be a fun game if bored, or for distraction, or for humor....
"10,000 things arise and go" Change. Need to understand dance yin/yang. Wow - yes a higher perspective needed (beyond morality to amorality). So seems more fluid and not artificially created. We are naturally moral - W. Christianity creates fake morality through artificial bible law. Oh man a rad way to live . These talks give a GREAT longing for real creative rawness of living nature's way. Polishing of raw nature/morality so fake and dead asf. omg flow with laughing so raw & real - oh hell yeah - love it where life dances & no obedient marching to dead rules! Free and easy rider! Mind blowing talk guys. love Bernardo.
Spot on brother! You are one amazing individual my friend. Always appreciate your summary and insights.
@@JasonGregoryAuthor ure channel changes my life, bro! thanks for kind words. Bernardo :-D
From palo alto with love...
Some call it the matrix.
Some the machine.
Some refer to it as a farm.
Some limit themselves to being a black sheep .
Few really Know.
To translate the Tao Te Ching ...
You will need the six ancient manuscripts, available online: Guodian (c. 300 BCE,) Mawang Dui A and B (c. 200 BCE,) Heshang Gong (c. 150 BCE,) Wang Bi (c. 150 CE,) and Fu Yi (c. 500 CE.)
Type in the search field, Onkellotus Tao Te Ching manuscripts. Click on daodejing - listed. Then scroll down to number 19, just after LINKS. Click on it, Das Tao Te King von Lao Tse. The six ancient manuscripts are atop. The foreign translations are next, in descending order. The English translations are the bottom third of the page. This page is crucial because it contains the six ancient manuscripts at the top of this page.
You will need the MDBG Chinese-English dictionary. You can type in the pinyin (the letters that represent the characters,) or even better, copy paste the Chinese characters into the dictionary search field. Very easy to use!
You will need zhongwen.com/daodejing. This resource will give you archaic meanings and is a good complement to your MDBG resource. Just click on 1-10 or 11-20 and so forth, then scroll to the poem you're working on, then click on the character you want information on, and it will appear in the column on the right of it at the top. This resource is particularly good for archaic meanings, as well as for giving you a breakdown as to the meaning of each character you click on.
The law of opposites should be a theory because similar effects can be had in the effects of memory of bad, but not its actual existence per se...
so contextual
Love your stuff hope you get busier [?]
Busier? I have two videos a week Iain. How many videos would you like a week? I mean most people say two is enough. Please let me know.
47.30 min - humour- thinking before one speaks. utter craziness right yes laughter break the ego . lets laugh. Muha ha
I am late to the party and just found your channel..So if some one asks an opinion on something do U not give one? Or do U say I have none? LOVE U ALL
...beautiful 🙏🌏❤
Thank you, Sarrah.
Could you help me with Lao Tzu's view on one's approach when he/she notices injustice happening to a person. Hypothetical example - if i see that my friend is being treated wrongly by a government official.
TLDR: Embracing the natural flow of life, living freely, and practicing detachment from societal norms leads to true virtue and leadership.
1. 00:00 📜 Understanding the interplay of opposites and the amorality of Taoism, Laozi argues that human nature is inherently good and does not require a set of moral beliefs, as societal influences warp this natural goodness.
1.1 The second chapter of the Tao Te Ching discusses the interplay of opposites and the amorality of Taoism, emphasizing the complementary relation of good and evil and the misunderstanding of this concept by Westerners.
1.2 Understanding the interplay of the manifested and unmanifested world, and the impermanence of the universe, is crucial to gaining a higher perspective and overcoming conflict and trouble in the world.
1.3 Laozi argues that human nature is inherently good, but is warped by societal influences, and that the natural path does not require a set of moral beliefs.
1.4 Laozi's perspective is that humans are not innately beasts and do not need constant cultivation, and the societal self-cultivation model is fundamentally based on a wrong perspective, leading to strong moral separation and conflict within oneself and the outside world.
1.5 Setting up moral standards and ethics can lead to moral hypocrisy and inhumane standards in society, as people may push back against external systems imposed on them.
1.6 Teaching good manners and respect may not be necessary if people follow their natural instincts, as many things are learned naturally without being forced.
2. 22:54 🌍 Understanding the interdependence of opposites and experiencing different cultures leads to a deep trust in the natural flow of life.
2.1 Learn valuable lessons from experiences without needing to be told, such as being cautious around different types of dogs and understanding the nature of things.
2.2 The speaker discusses the idea that morality is subjective and varies among cultures, leading to the promotion of one set of beliefs over others, causing conflict and separation.
2.3 Life is an interplay of opposites, and people need to understand that both sides are interdependent, rather than being stuck in a subjective view that brings conflict and destroys the world.
2.4 Absolute mentality doesn't exist, things change, and traveling to different environments allows for freedom and learning new ways of behaving.
2.5 Experiencing different cultures and environments can open up your mind and develop a deep trust in the world, leading to intuitive understanding and a natural way of living.
2.6 Our dormant intelligence is accessed through non-doing and spontaneous action, leading to a deep trust in the natural flow of life.
3. 36:50 🌱 Living freely and being liberated means disentangling from societal norms, embracing a flexible lifestyle, and trusting in the natural flow of life, while strict morals hinder creativity and authentic expression.
3.1 The key to living freely and being liberated in this life is to disentangle from cultural and social aspects that define who we are, undo patterns in the brain, and trust in the natural flow of life.
3.2 Creating a system of strict morals leads to the creation of its opposite, and places like Thailand and India have less conflict and a sense of ease due to fewer rules and regulations.
3.3 Living a creatively fulfilling life is hindered by strict societal rules and expectations, and embracing a more open and flexible lifestyle allows for greater individual expression and fulfillment.
3.4 Creativity and art are hindered by too many rules and regulations, leading to a lack of authentic culture and craftsmanship.
3.5 Humor and comedy are essential parts of human nature and creativity, but societal pressure and moral hypocrisy have led to a lack of freedom in expressing humor.
3.6 Drunks would be face-palming at social justice warriors on social media.
4. 48:51 🌱 Live in accordance with the way of nature, practice detachment from society, and don't try to change the world, as great individuals have a lasting impact without actively seeking change.
4.1 The chapter discusses the interplay of opposites in creating standards of beauty and morality, and the implications of these standards in society.
4.2 Laozi teaches that the wise should not try to change society or people's thinking, but instead live in accordance with the way of nature and let things take their natural course.
4.3 Don't try to change the world or impose your own version of the game, instead cut the tree at its root and don't play the game at all.
4.4 Practice detachment from human civilization and refrain from engaging in unnecessary knowledge or beliefs, as people need less, not more.
4.5 Teaching the Taoist way means unraveling oneself and remaining silent, without promoting a set of beliefs or having an agenda.
4.6 The impact of great individuals like Lao Tze, Buddha, and Shankara on the world is lasting because they did not actively seek to change the world, but their actions had a lasting impact.
5. 57:44 🌱 It's pointless to overestimate your opinions, Tao Te Ching teaches to dismiss the need for feeling special and find joy in fully engaging with life.
5.1 Your opinion doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, so it's almost pointless to have one.
5.2 Taoism exposes the problem of individuals overestimating their opinions and feeling special, leading to conflict and the need to cleanse out the mentality of thinking we are special.
5.3 The text and philosophy of Tao Te Ching is about not overestimating your opinions and viewpoints, and it's better to be dismissive than engage with comments from strangers on the internet.
5.4 Understanding the principles of Tao Te Ching can bring a sense of joy and zest to life, allowing for a deeper appreciation of the world.
5.5 Experiencing physical and mental exhaustion while trekking in nature can bring about a sense of tranquility and teach valuable lessons that cannot be learned in a university setting.
5.6 The speaker discusses the misconception of spirituality as being detached from the world and highlights the beauty and joy of fully embracing and engaging in life.
6. 01:12:39 🌱 Gratitude and appreciation for simplicity, spirituality, impermanence, and humility are essential for true virtue and leadership.
6.1 Gratitude and appreciation for the simple things in life can be realized when faced with scarcity and fragility.
6.2 Spirituality is about appreciating life with joy and being ordinary, not extraordinary.
6.3 Life is about understanding the impermanence of things and finding joy and beauty in the present moment, while also recognizing the irony of seeking recognition for one's work.
6.4 The wise act without attachment to the results of their actions, a psychological state that many people have heard of but may not fully understand or have experienced personally.
6.5 The wise are humble, compassionate, and carefree, moving with the river as one, embodying the philosophy of effortless non-doing in everyday life.
6.6 The psychological state of humility and selflessness is essential for true virtue and leadership, and it is a level of consciousness that we should strive to reach.
7. 01:22:29 🌱 Trust in the process, focus on genuine work, and accept life's presentation without seeking credit or interfering, as the key teaching of the Tao Te Ching.
7.1 The value of genuine work speaks for itself, reaching a smaller audience but having a significant impact on those who appreciate it.
7.2 Being unattached and not seeking credit for everything, understanding and accepting the way life presents itself, and focusing on how you interact and feel in a situation is the key teaching of the Tao Te Ching.
7.3 Trust in the process and have faith that things will work out, without interfering or being attached to the outcome.
7.4 The Tao Te Ching is about understanding the metaphysics of the cosmos in relation to psychology and navigating through life without causing harm, which is important to remember during difficult times.
7.5 Acceptance and trust are needed to overcome the global situation, with a focus on the real damage in poorer nations and the hope for a better future.
7.6 Focus on working on your opinions, look at life objectively, and choose to see the positive side, as it may have a positive effect in the end.
8. 01:32:29 🌿 Life is about transcending good and bad, moving with the flow, and having a free and easy wandering mind.
8.1 Understanding the Tao Te Ching can help individuals navigate difficult situations and understand the ebbs and flows of life.
8.2 Your perspective on life determines its quality, and by seeing beauty in all situations, you can transcend the concepts of good and bad.
8.3 Live your life regardless of the situation, without being attached to it, and work on focusing on the interplay of opposites to reach a heightened spiritual state.
8.4 The goal of Taoism is to have a mind of free and easy wandering, unaffected by subjective opinions and able to move with life without blocked energy.
8.5 Life is about moving with the flow, not being attached to materialism or other people's beliefs.
8.6 The speaker discusses the importance of liking, commenting, and sharing the content to reach a wider audience and expresses appreciation for the genuine and sincere audience.
I’m curious about why it is that we’re innately good? I agree with this, but cannot see why it is that “good” would be anymore innate than “evil” in human beings as anything more than an evolutionary adaptive trait to pack animals. In the big picture, nature appears every bit as destructive as it is creative. Wouldn’t this mean our acts of destruction are also innate?
From the perspective of the child, the child only lives, does not know good and evil. If I see the child, his actions will be good or bad depending on whether he understands society as good or bad. But he said that the human is innately good, that is false, it is depending on the experience that he has from his environment, if he is good or bad.
I had a few questions
live idea of amortality
Love it Fernando.
:) ahh very good very good :)
So glad you enjoyed my friend.
Through the above conversation, you speak of having empathy as being natural and therefore “good” and selfish as “bad” being placed by unnatural societal systems. But is this not a moral system in itself where you relabel natural as good and unnatural as bad? Secondly, I question if we are inherently good. For example, are children naturally unselfish or do they have to be taught how to share? Do children have to be taught to tell the truth or does lying come naturally? As someone with 5 children, I constantly have to redirect my child’s emotions and desires, so I am not sure if I agree that we’re are all inherently good. Thoughts?
Thank you for your work.
@@William_The_Lesser Are you right, I don't understand jason in this point. Is necessary morality.
@@William_The_Lesser He says that the human is innately good, but he said that he doesn't believe in morality. It doesn't make any kind of sense, how can you say someone is innately good if you don't believe in morals.
Hi. Where does climate change environment destruction to all living fit into all this topic. When were all destroying the air the water food n more causing sickness cancers deformities in birth. Nature is being changed by our modernity n movement into a faster updated newer lifestyle. Whats your concern for the earth n its habitants. The indigenous culture have lotsa info to care n nurture for life n respect the land.
I hea ur ideas however does the teachings ever mention care for all living things. Care for our gift that gives us life.
Hope ur ideas on humanities biggest issue the climate environment the care for the animals the future the universe.
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I made a mistake today how wong I was. . .
Moral discipline isn’t required
Before pandemic: carry water and wood. After pandemic: carry water and wood. 25/3/2024
35:09s the subtleness of societies, yes their recurrences, that is to reset a species and see the same sociological structures recurr is fun to a degree... but the bounds in which the delineations of what and where and who builds which sociologica constructs, is a bounded one , so their variance alas is also bounded... maybe in the black hole era there will be more variance after all the strangness has been done.... have you even wiggled your ring finger toe, and compared the grid in the belly to that of the brain when laughter is on an onset? did you know that it stimulates neurons to grows... their dispersions perhaps a function of the onset modulations bodily grids in the mind, affecting lag to their receptive sites in the body, wherein the lag determines the sequencing and intensities of the discharges...
Thank you.
Many Thanks
Thank you