"JOEY DOESN'T SHARE FOOD!" However: when Phoebe gets pregnant and starts craving meat not only does Joey let her finish the sandwich he was eating in the shower but also GIVES UP MEAT so that she can eat "his portion of animals" without feeling guilty for taking life because it would have been eaten anyway.
Yes but he decided that the same rules do not apply in London, which is why he ate as if he never promised anything to Phoebe. This just shows a lack of integrity.
If your problem with his character is that he ate the food that he enjoyed on his best friend's destination wedding he is one solid stand up guy.@@ladyXLR8
also Ross was seen sharing ice cream with Marcel, but in a thanksgiving episode, he said he doesn't like ice cream. And!! In the same episode, Chandler said he hates dogs, but agreed to take care of 3 "puppies" that were actually the triplets. AND!!! When Joey got an acting job, Ross told him not to sleep with his students. Later on, Ross does the same thing!! AND!!! They said that Joey had a girlfriend for 3 years, but later on says that it doesn't take a shower to get over a relationship.
The actress who played Phoebe actually came out recently and said she realizes everyone is equating her with the character and she wanted to set it straight and say she is nothing like her.
Rachel clearly likes having Ross being hung up on her while she withholds a decision to keep him waiting on her. It’s like that episode of Rick and Morty where Morty calls out Jessica by saying “You miss the old me. You miss having someone who loved you so much you didn’t have to love them back.”
I can excuse all of Phoebe's shortcomings - look at her backstory. She brings it up so much that I think the audience is desensitized to how much tragedy she's gone through. Her biological dad walked out on the family, her older twin sister overshadowed her accomplishments, her stepdad ended up in prison, the woman raising her (who she believed to be her mom) killed herself, and then she finds out her biological mom didn't want to raise her. Phoebe had to live on the streets, never went to high school, somehow encountered a pimp long enough to contract hepatitis from him, has admitted to taking self-defense courses to deter rapists ("the YMCA guys weren't very Christian"), and mugged people to survive. The fact that she's not currently a crack whore is amazing.
+InkHeart17 Yeah it's pretty true that she had an edge, and all the friends knew it. Honestly, I don't think anyone would disagree that Pheobe can be considered the most dangerous out of all of them. Still though, she does have a lot of sweet and considerate moments, and she's floopy. I'd totally love to have Pheobe as a friend.
Doesn't change the fact that she'd be a horrible friend! Sure her back story explains her violent and generally disturbed nature, but do you really want to hang out with someone who leaves her fuck buddies attached to a drain pipe just somewhere like a necklace in her house? No, of course not.
hell there's even the episode referred to in this video where Rachael "confessed" she was into Ross when he was getting serious with Julie, but got super pissed when Ross was convinced into making a pros and cons list for Rachael and Julie. Like for some reason Ross is the asshole for trying to reason his way out of a rock and a hard place, and the list was literally just a list of quirky little flaws of Rachael and Ross admitting he is not in love with Julie because he loves Rachael. That episode still pisses me off
Oh god, don't! I have a friend that penalises everything Ross does and justifies everything Rachel does. She dismissed the Bonnie thing by saying "Oh, that's probably something I would do"...
Well yeah, but why the hell did she take her word for it. Also, I'd take a bald Christine Taylor over most women any day. Some women look good with a shaved head. Sigourney Weaver rocked that look for Alien3.
I don't think its fair to say they're too self centered to acknowledge 9/11. People got really touchy about that. A bunch of people wanted to ban the second lord of the rings because it came out the same year and was subtitled, "The Two Towers". Mentioning 9/11 at all would've ran the risk of being called insensitive, so they didn't take the chance.
+Jay Haytch Agreed, and for a sitcom to just stop dead in its tracks to address a terrible real life occurrence it would 1. Probably not be funny at all, which is what the show is supposed to be, and 2. Lampshade a matter that was ALL OVER the media even outside of the US and force people to look at 9/11 related media no matter where they looked, no matter how much they wanted to get away from all that and just, for once, in those dark times, sit back and laugh at something and enjoy it without terrorism shoved in their face.
Kez Man Both of you raise good points. However, while Joey was portrayed as a "ladies man" with a normal albeit overbearing family life, Barney's behavior was vindicated by childhood emotional trauma similar to Donald Draper, and Dennis is often literally diagnosed with borderline personality disorder or schizoid personality disorder. This is a spectrum of deviant behavior, but the true importance is how it is portrayed to its audience.
LukeMM95 Barney actually changed though especially when his friends stopped making light of the situation (kind of) (golden rule being that the finale never happened)
@ULGROTHA Your friends gotta roast you. The appropriate response is to either learn to accept yourself or lose weight. Either way you're better off. If you have a negative response then you're tripping but your real friends will stop killing ya.
@@HomeVidEdd But here's the thing they roasted for how she used to be constantly! She's really healthy now, but instead of acknowledging that they just make fun of her for how she was in highschool
They know that Monica is beautiful women and have addressed it but since it was big part of her childhood whenever it comes up they tend to roast her a bit she takes it very lightly .
They didn’t mention how much Chandler toyed with Janice’s feelings. Sure, she was a bit weird and not my favorite, but she shouldn’t have been treated the way she was
I hated chandler so much cuz of it. It was funny at first but then so mean that I felt bad evertime he did it. I hoped that he ends like the heckler dude
Chandler was afraid of commitment for very valid reasons and yet he still tried to put himself out there for her. She took that vulnerability and cheated on him. He hates her for it and yet remains mostly civil whenever he sees her. There's other reasons why he's a bad person but Janice is no saint either.
There was that epsiode where Rachel tries to get her emotionally reserved boyfriend to cry and ends up digging up emotionally repressed grief over childhood bullying. Granted the chicken nickname was pretty funny, but since he doesn't get over the issue instead of taking him to a therapist she just ditches him cause he's "too much of a pussy" now despite her being the one who provoked him into that state.
Kevin Petrak Ross had it coming. He said another woman's name on the alter. And that whole "we were on a break" bull? He was SO disloyal to Rachel! Like it hasn't even been 24 hours!! Even if they were on a break, that's still messed up!! So he did his fair share to deserve it.
The Friends are all child-like personalities in adult situations. Chandler's life is largely dictated by his childhood traumas. Monica has an uncontrollable need for attention and for things to go her way. Joey would rather play than do his chores. Rachel is still a spoiled little girl. Phoebe is that one weird girl bully everyone grew up with. Ross likes to impress people with how smart he is. Everyone still has those traits inside them, often buried under layers of tact and strategy. Through Friends, we get to explore what would happen if we let them out as adults. What do sexual relationships, jobs and making it on your own look like when you operate on a 9 year old's morality?
This is why I still like Seinfeld. Those characters were all as childish as the cast of Friends. The difference is the framing on part of the audience. You can laugh at and with both casts; but the audience want Ross, Rachel, Chandler, Monica, Joey, and Phoebe to succeed. You don't really want Jerry, Elaine, George, and Kramer to succeed at whatever escapades they get into.
chandler left racheals boss hangcuffed at her office because thats what she did to him so it was more like a revenge thing and not some wierd sexual thing he enjoyed
@@ingriddubbel8468 A little bit yeah Not because it makes it a good thing but because he had a reason beyond just sexual perversion If he did it for no reason beyond 'its funny' then it says he is a severely messed up person who would probably do it again if given the chance But he did it for revenge, it was in retaliation to something and clearly a one off event that he would't try again It's not good but it is better.
Let's not forget the episode where Monica was tricked by Phoebe to cook thanksgiving dinner even though she told them that she wasn't gonna be making thanksgiving dinner cause she and Chandler were waiting to see if they gotten the house, and to top it all off everyone showed up late.
Also, Monica breaks up with a senior because of a 5-10 age gap, later being with a man who is TWENTY years older. Another thing is that Ross broke up with a girl because she is from Poughkeepsie far from New York City, later MARRYING a girl who lives in ENGLAND.
TO BE FAIR about Chandler's latent homophobia. He only expresses concern about gayness when he's accused of being gay or when the subject of his dad comes up because his father traumatized him (he walked in on his dad and a house-servant having sex when he was nine) and then abandoned him. Chandler doesn't have an issue with gays, he has an issue with his dad and the idea that he could be anything like his dad...he just targets the most superficial aspects of his dad's persona.
Hmmm.....I wonder: Did his dad's crossdressing, feminating urges confuse little chandler and his developing little brain...maybe making him kinda gay which he desperately represses. He does often subsidize his own houseboy to live with him (Joey). And he doesn't like most of Joey's girlfriends, probably because he listens to them have sex and he wants to be them. But he does want to kill his dad now, so a check there...What's chandler's relation like with his mom? Is Monica like his mom? Monica tries to be the most traditional American housewife of the friends...so Monica is probably the archetype model woman that chandler's dad always wanted to be. Ladies & gentlemen, I think we have a theory.
To be even more fair... It's annoying to constantly be called something you're not. I'm sure all Republicans get tired of non republicans calling them racist. You don't want to be called fat all the time if you're not fat. You're not a "bleeding heart liberal" because you think about others. And if you lose out on dates, get set up on dates with the gender you're not interested in, have people treat you a certain way for something that you're not... after a while, yeah, you might have a bad reaction.
As someone who is actually gay, I have to seriously disagree with this. Chandler and Ross are probably the most homophobic and misogynistic of all the characters. Chandler makes fun of Joey all the time if Joey does anything that isn't strictly, 100% masculine: mocking him for liking sweet-smelling potpourri, or having a pink pillow on his couch, or carrying a man-bag. And in Season 5, when Ross mentions something about being Gary's cop-partner, Chandler actually responds "you know when you say 'partner', it doesn't sound cop, it sounds gay". And, if you wanna talk about Chandler's father, whatever trauma he suffered doesn't justify his mockery of the song 'it's raining men', his childish disapproval of a male wearing a backless dress, and happily laughs when his mother says to his father "don't you have a little too much penis to be wearing a dress like that". So yeah, Chandler was an unabashed hate-filled homophobe and you shouldn't be apologising or making random excuses for him.
Chandler is the kindest friend. Consider the fact that Joey owes him a lot of money, and Chandler doesn't even give a second thought to letting it go. Remember that he and Joey actually went through all the things that Chandler paid for for Joey, and the number was so large that Joey (who until that point was throughly intent on paying him) tried to immediately drop it. And this was right after Joey started in a major motion picture. So Joey just got paid Hollywood money and still wasn't able to pay Chandler back without going bankrupt. That's a lot of money. And Chandler is totally fine with the fact that that money is never getting back to him. He pays for every bill from his and Joey's apartment. His and Monica's wedding, which was apparently Monica's cheaper alternative wedding, was calculated to cost roughly $60,000. Her dream wedding would've taken Chandler's entire life savings, and in the end Chandler was willing to pay for it. He is both the richest friend and the one who puts his friends before money. If someone owed me so much cash that even Hollywood money wouldnt be able to cover it, I'd be pissed and expecting that money. But Chandler doesn't care at all. Chandler is the best friend
But he also left a job he hated and came back after his ex-boss gave him several raises, he stopped smoking only after Phoebe gave him a thousand dollars (a promise that he broke later).And he did mention a few times to Joey that he owes him money and asking if he was ever going to pay him back. Personally, I think the guy is just knuckling under with the money thing, he has always been a passive coward.
Phoebe steals a child’s cat and then guilt-trips Ross into apologising to her because he had the nerve to tell her stealing a beloved pet is wrong just because she falsely believes a cat is her mother
She technically didn't steal the cat. She found the car when it walked into the coffee shop. And Ross diminished her believes that her mom spirit was in the cat. While Ross was correct that the cat needed to be returned to it's rightful owner he was still really insensitive to Phoebe and her believes.
Friends ten years on: Chandler stops using humor as a defense mechanism and finally goes on a killing spree, Phoebe is detained under the mental health act for try running someone over who she claims is a reptile person, Ross gets clubbed to death with a dinosaur bone by a colleague for being really f***ing annoying, Rachel loses her looks and regrets being so shallow as she grows into an old bag lady, Monica gets choked to death on one of her own cupcakes by someone who found her really f****ing annoying too, and Joey is diagnosed with every sexually transmitted disease on earth, along with all the innocent women he has infected. So no one told you life was gonna be this way, huh?
I was never into this series. It is like Sinfeld only with two extra people. And the more you watch the more you come to realize you just don't really like these people.
They actually shot new scenes and added different jokes for an episode where Chandler and Monica go away for their honeymoon. The scenes before the changes made jokes about explosives and the tightness of airport security. The new scenes were about them following a different newly wed couple that got preferential treatment... The new scenes aren't funnier but they are a lot more sensitive.
Not to mention how Phoebe dated two guys at the same time (the kindergarten teacher and the firefighter). She just sort of put both of them on hold until she decided who she wanted to be with, and when they found out, I don’t think she was genuinely sorry. If that happened to Phoebe, and there was an episode about a guy dating her AND another girl, she would be pissed. And everyone would say “what a jerk”. But because Phoebe is a main character “she was just having some fun”. There are a lot of instances in which the friends do shitty things and aren’t held accountable, whereas if a side character does it, it IS deemed shitty.
Friends and Seinfeld were both about terrible people, as Dan pointed out, and only one of them ended with the shitty characters getting their deserved comeuppance.
To be fair to Ross, everyone else calls him a great father. I think we're supposed to assume that he spends a lot of time with his son, just usually not in the parts of his life we see in his episodes. The episodes aren't supposed to cover every single day of his life. And, Joey, being as misogynistic as he is, is the one that cares most about all his friends, that was shown several times. I think those two are the best.
In filmmaking class, we were told that the audience only knows about a movie or television show what is shown on-screen. For Ross to be a great father, he would need to visit his son every episode. Joey would have to be shown saying and doing only friendly, kind things to women all the time, to not be a misogynist.
@@katepeverell9475 They even show several times in the show that he can easily accept a no and never crosses a line with women he hits on. He's just, as you said, a fuckboy and likes to sleep around. In and of itself that doesn't make him a bad person.
Everyone has flaws. Personally I rather like most of the friends. Rachel and Ross I don't really care for. I think some of your reasons aren't really that great. Like the 9/11 point. It's a comedy sitcom. How are you supposed to handle that? Imagine people at the time turning on the tv so they can forget about the devastation for a bit and they are reminded by a sitcom.
but the last episodes of the series (in season 10) weren't really funny. there were a lot of drawn out emotional scenes of saying goodbye. it seemed a bit weird to me since it was supposed to be a comedy. also not mentioning it seems disrespectful considering the show took place in nyc. (?)
I’m a bit too late but anyway, in the dvd edition there is a scene about their honeymoon where chandler is being sarcastic in an airport about bombs and get detained. It says it was deleted from the tv edition because it was too sensitive as it had just happened. I believe it said “we hope these scenes can now be enjoyed in the initial way they were created”, or something along those lines.
That's one of the reasons why this show is loved and visited by people again and again because it doesn't remind them of the real world miseries. No politics. No hate. No agenda. No preaching. No ambition to drive home. No race to take part in. Just being there, taking comfort and joy in the most trivial of things.
Chandler wasn't homophobic just because he didn't understand his father. It's a massive change in someone's life when they switch identities or whatever you call it, and it's an even bigger change for their family. And he was traumatized by his parents constant bickering which left him estranged from both his mother and father. Homophobic would imply that he hated his father, which he clearly did not. I realize that this doesn't seem like a big deal to most, but they just slipped that in and they are implying that anyone uncomfortable with Trans/crossdressers are automatically homophobic. I'm not comfortable with it either and I'm gay! It just really irks me when people jump to conclusions and say someone is homophobic without even understanding what it means and then overusing the word for everything. And don't even get me started on the differences between racism, prejudice, stereotypes and the misuse of all three.
Chandler did say in other episodes. That his father did cheat on his mother with the pool boy. Would often get drunk and stumble around the house. And would sleep around with people Chandler knew. And both Chandler's mom and dad hit on Chandler's friends. So that could be a reason why Chandler might not like his dad. Besides calling him homophobic because of his dad. Yes Chandler does seem to get uncomfortable around people who are gay. But that could simply be because most of the time he's being confused for being gay. And since Chandler's not the most masculine character. He might get defensive.
Being uncomfortable with with trans people makes you transphobic not homophobic though I can list a dozen examples just of the top of my head where being gay or even feminine if you are a man was the butt of the joke so there is plenty of that as well Friends is not an exception either that was just a trend that was popular back then
There are two senses of the word. The only one I see in the dictionary is "having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people", e.g. Chandler's father (if due to his sleeping with men and not to his Helena Handbasket drag persona or his infidelity and divorce) or Ross's ex-wife. The other sense -- and Ross used this once, on Chandler's wedding day, the only time I remember the word being spoken in "Friends" -- is discomfort with the IDEA of homosexuality, especially in heterosexuals, especially when it makes straight male buddies fear intimacy. The whole nap thing was a mild homophobic joke even though it was clearly non-sexual. Then there's "I hope Ross doesn't think we both ran into the bathroom just because we didn't want to be around his fight with his fiancée" "I hope he does!" And the shower joke Ross actually called "homophobic" in an ironically approving way because it showed Chandler was back to his old self. (Chandler had pretended to misunderstand the use of the word "we" about getting in the shower as a suggestion that they, two straight men, shower together.)
First: most of the children don’t show up in most of the episode Bc of child labor laws Also here are some notable mentions 1. Rachel dated a younger man 2. She had an affair with her boss (not a bad thing but still frowned upon) 4. Monica dated a high schooler 5. Ross dated with a student 6. Also they never let anyone into their group the moment someone comes into their lives and sees a flaw they exclude them
Let's also remember the two wicked witches, Susan and Carol. Carol had an affair behind Ross's back for possibly months, an absolutely despicable thing to do. Then, she steals his child from him and raises that poor kid with the wench that she cheated on his dad with! THEN, whenever they see Ross, they treat him like HE'S the one who pulled all the crap! I couldn't be in a room with anyone who would treat another human being like that!
To be fair, Chandler only left Rachel's boss locked up in her office because she did the exact same thing to him against his will. She ditched him there for most of the day (don't forget that before this she was manipulative in getting Chandler) and pretty much treated him like a sex object.
They dedicated an episode to those lost in 9/11 and the civil servants who worked after the event to clean up the city and help save lives. How much else do you want them to do on a sitcom to reference an American tragedy? They had an episode with the whole "airport mix up after saying the word 'bomb'" thing going on and had to reshoot that week's episode on short notice after 9/11 occurred.
+Catt C They weren't whining about it or anything, they simply removed the episode because it was tasteful. You say it like they were upset about 9/11 because it made their episode go bad, but they LITERALLY removed it over the fact that IT WAS FUCKING 9/11!!!
The discussion is in-universe. We never see the Friends--as characters--acknowledge or deal with 9/11, which makes them seem aloof and heartless. Now, the producers decided not to acknowledge 9/11 because it was a comedy show, and 9/11 wasn't funny, so there's absolutely a reason why Friends never did anything. But it's outside of the scope of the character analysis.
They weren’t saying the production crew or writers of friends were bad people for ignoring 9/11 they said the characters were personally I think they just didn’t show it on screen because it wouldn’t have been funny. 9/11 and the characters coming to terms with it just happened off screen in the show.
Sitcoms since the 1970s discussed serious, controversial subjects, such as gang warfare, sexual assault, substance abuse, poverty, child molesting and prejudice in "very special episodes." They could have done one on 9/11, too.
They kind of reference it, in a interview one of the producers says how they had subtle references but they didn't want to have them stand out. Cause friends isn't that type of tv show
One of the episodes that aired right after 9/11 was "dedicated to the people of New York City" in memoriam of the attacks. But otherwise than that, they really didn't adress it at all.
There were subtle reference to the people of new york. The cast wore sweatshirts with FDNY on it, and the little white board in Joey’s apartment also had references to the city and the firefighters.
As a transgender person, I'm actually okay with Chandler's feelings towards his father. It's not an easy thing for any family member to deal with, when someone suddenly announces they feel like the opposite sex - especially the father, a male role model, the person a son looks to, to learn how he should behave and self-identify. Yet even despite this awkwardness towards his father, Chandler doesn't actually hate him, or even insist his father wear male clothes at his wedding. Despite his discomfort he allows his father to be who he is. And that's all any transgender person really wants (at least that's how I feel).
That is kind and considerate of you , we should not judge people for their moments of bigotry we need to welcome them with open arms or they will not have a place to go to except for their bigoted self. We need to give their enlightenment a place to live , be accepted and thrive
I always thought the woke crowd attacking Ross and Chandler was pretty unfair. Chandler was traumatized by his father having an affair with the pool boy, and probably received a lot of bullying from other kids his age. Yet in the end he accepted his father, even though it made him uncomfortable. Ross isn't even homophobic, but it's tragic to marry someone only to find out they're leaving you for someone of the opposite gender. There are so many feelings of self-doubt, confusion, and frustration at committing to and loving someone, and that betrayal ran so deep.
@@roosajarvinen5698 That is more of an issue with the writers, though, than either Chandler or his father's characters. I think at the time the show was written, few people were aware that transgender women usually prefer female pronouns - but then, back then, few people were even aware that transgender was a thing, so I gotta give them credit for inclusivity, even if poorly done and mostly used for a joke.
Also the whole fat shaming they do. They make out that Monica is better person because she's not fat, her life is better because she is skinny. I was watching the What If episode because it just got so bad and I felt like it was disgusting.
Rachel is truly the most horrible of the bunch. When they're at the beach, she causes Ross to break up with his girlfriend by convincing her to shave her head. Then, she teases him with sex before unleashing "the letter" on him: 18 pages of rambling, incoherent, language-mangling stream-of-consciousness verbal diarrhea, demanding that he concede that their breaking up was all his doing before she'll take him back. Then, when he refuses, she promptly breaks up with him again, less than 24 hours after breaking him up with his girlfriend. I'm astonished that no one ever called her out on that bullshit.
I dunno... Ross breaking up with his girlfriend because she shaved her head seems more douchy than Rachel convincing her to do it. Like, Rachel shouldn't have done it, but, toppling Ross's relationship shouldn't have been that easy. I also disagree with your objection to stream-of-consciousness writing, 'cause that's the only way I roll, baby. *puts on some cool cool shades to drive her point home, and also so she's wearing some cool cool shades* :P
He didn't break up with her because she shaved her head. He broke up with her because Rachel manipulated him into breaking up with her so they could have sex (or that is how she implied it to him)
Yea, rachel def. the worst of them all. The rest of the just have exagerrated flaws that are excusable either due to artistic licensing (it's just a TV show meant to entertain, after all) OR some other redeeming quality (sure Joey is a womaniser but he's also almost childlike in his simple minded kindness and niceness). And that's not even going into the other crap moves she's pulled on ross, someone who she KNOWS is completely in love with her, I mean, if you've had a crush on someone for that long, they have a certain power over you, regardless of where you are.
I'm sorry but the 9/11 point is actually really stupid and really annoyed me. OF COURSE none of the characters acknowledged 9/11 on screen. Friends is a sitcom and the show mentioning 9/11 probably would have been done in poor taste because of genre.
Cinnamon Rose Caramel not true. Sitcoms can go into deep, emotional things without betraying the genre. Ex: scrubs when Dr. Cox has his breakdown and how I Met your mother when Marshall's dad dies
Not to mention that it would a bit immoral to have 9/11 be a plot point in a super successful tv series. It would seem like they were trying to profit from tragedy, so having an episode that short afterwards would be awful. Not to mention that the show runners actually considered having a “very special episode” about 9/11, but realized that the show was happy comfort food so they should just try to comfort a mourning nation. Plus the first episode back after the tragedy was dedicated to the people of New York
@@allisoncurl7453 exactly. It would also be kind of brain washy considering the success and of the show. It would be insanely powerful if they went anyi war or pro war with it, and no matter how they portrayed it, it would still have been a brainwash tool for either side. I think them not mentioning it was the best thing to do. Also scrubs was setup to do emotionally intense episodes because they were in a hospital. Friends would have been going way out of form to make a 911 episode. I cant imagine it being done well.
Then there's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia where the gang is a terrible, terrible group of people but they get into wacky adventures, so you tend to see them as lovable idiots, forgetting how dark their actions really are.
Jordan Rice Honestly, I never got the impression that we weren't supposed to think the Friends characters were kinda assholes. I found them lovable assholes and the show funny, but they make no secret of when they're just doing bad things out of selfishness. (Ross in particular is just the biggest douchebag, but I think the writers were mostly aware of it.)
***** But the gang are supposed to be awful people, which is why watching them get involved in some dumbass scheme and then watching them ultimately fuck it up because they're terrible people is so satisfying.
Chandler's father forced him to work at a transgender/gay burlesque show WHEN HE WAS A CHILD. That was obviously deeply traumatic and it makes sense that he would be uncomfortable going back to that environment or inviting his father (who he hadn't talked to in years) to his wedding. He isn't homophobic, he never had any kind of problem with Carol and Susan, it's specifically his father he doesn't like.
@@tia8245 you being a child forced to wear a dress in front of grown men and with other grown men in a sexual nature (burlesque) is embarrassing and can be traumatic
*Most people don't take into account when discussing the "errors" of Friends:* There is a total of 236 episodes, each episode is about 20 minutes, 236*20 gives us 4720 minutes of runtime, divide that by 60 and we get 78.6 hours. The show ran for 10 years, so that averages out to about 7.86 hours of their life covered per year. No more than 8 hours of their life covered per year (8766 hours in a year). There is literally no reason to assume they spend *all* their time at the coffee house, or that Ross never sees his son, or that they're never at work, along with other things people complain about. We get to see about 0.0009% of their year.
And also, even though Ben doesn't show up in a lot of episodes, Ross says every other episode something like "imma go pick up Ben" but we just don't get to see him
it’s... a tv show... you can’t justify the things you don’t cover on your tv show by saying it happens when the camera’s not filming... it’s just stupid.
sarah ag - sure you can. It’s not stupid. We don’t see them pooping every episode, but presumably they do off screen. This is true of “real family” reality TV also. They cherry pick interesting things they do, and only a relatively small part of their life is recorded, and a much smaller part aired.
Justin S im just saying you can’t justify the lack of character development by saying the development happens off screen. if we’re talking cinema/tv producing and realization that just means your characters aren’t well done. we can therefore use that argument to make the show more realistic, yes.
rachel is my least favorite. she's a spoiled, shallow brat who only sees good things when they walk away from her. she's obsessive and possessive over everything and everyone, and is possibly the most competitive. she always has to be right, and she's a bitter ex as well as a victimizer.
hollywoodshopaholic she never fucking said that tf quit assuming, every character has their bad moments so does Rachel but she and Joey r the nicest n most living n supportive friends smh, quit being a bitch n grow some balls n enjoy the show lmao
I think their flaws being so prominent is intentional because one of the big points of the show is that they are imperfect people with unstable lives, but have one another as a safety net and find happiness in their community.
Has each other in a safety net while trying to actively kill, injure, maim, or at least frame and arrest one another while stealing from eachother and setting eachother up for disappointment and failures.... Yeah, great safety net...
And then comes the issue with the show lasting for ten seasons. All of their character traits and personality flaws get amplified and exaggerated with time. By the end, they will end up being objectively worse for comedic sake.
Those aren't real reasons to not like them. Chandler is allowed to be uncomfortable with his father. No matter how much he is "supposed" to be accepting, he had a very messed up childhood. Lets see how you would act if that was your dad.
Joey is not misogynistic! He genuinely cares about all of his female friends and he is very protective and loving toward his sisters. And he's not a date rapist. While he does score with a lot of women, he knows how to take care of them. And he has never once been shown to force himself upon a woman.
Joey cares? Are you a sociopath? He doesn't even say goodbye: he has Chandler make them pancakes bcz he can't face them in the morning. He walk of shames himself by leaving his own apartment. He knows he's an assailed, but won't claim it.
This video actually perfectly summarizes why I love this show, because all 6 main characters have a great balance of realistic positive traits and flaws. They feel real. And are still pretty damn funny.
But these guys make the main cast of friends seem like jerks and makes the show feel horrible. Sure it's not insanely funny but it has its moments & it's probably one of the more remembered sit-Coms
@@dukenukem2258 because the people on the show are genuinely horrible. they even point out in the episode that having shitty people in a sitcom isn't uncommon, but there are repercussions for their shitty behavior usually in other sitcoms
I think this show was so successful because it brought out, in comedic fashion, the darker tendencies everyone always jokes and thinks about doing in their lives and with their friends. Stealing money, being violent, manipulation, sexual promiscuity, etc., I think there are all degrees of "taboo" or bad things that people in all types of relationships think about, and Friends just happened to put all of those elements together within their storyline. Also, I understand them not mentioning 9/11 because in all reality, it would have been something that would have changed the character's lives permanently, and isn't particularly fair to the creative team to suddenly have some REAL in the world permanently alter their fictional characters. Also, it would need a good solid season at least to resolve all of the emotions... properly... so I think it was better to go the way they went, really, it's escapism anyway.
The whole Seinfeld comparison makes me want to see a cagematch between the Friends and the Seinfeld quartet. Sure, the Friends have the numerical advantage but I think a properly pissed off Elaine and Kramer count for two.
About 9-11, they did not mention it, because it is a show we watch in order to distract ourselves and cheer up. Actually, they did acknowledge it, around the time of 9-11, they had a storyline about Monica and Chandler's honeymoon, when they get in trouble because Chandler couldn't help to joke about bombs in the security screening at the airport. They deleted the whole storyline and wrote something else to fill it up, time later, they showed the storyline on DVD, with a message regarding to the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
I don't think it's fair to expect a show to have to mention 9/11; many other tragedies happened in the world during the time. The bombings in the Middle East have killed more people than about 50 9/11s since and they don't get nowhere near as much attention. Not trying to understate the severity of one tragedy; I'm just saying 9/11 isn't the only one.
@Nimesh Singh, the difference is, Friends took place IN New York. 9/11 was not some distant tragedy to New Yorkers, it physically affected their lives. Though the fact that it was never touched upon in the show probably has more to do with self-censorship by the producers than anything else.
The show was a comedy show; how do you think they could realistically mention 9/11 without completely changing focus on a serious exploration of a tragedy? I'm sorry this is ridiculous; there's many movies and TV shows that were set in NY but not shot there and didn't mention 9/11; why are they not facing heat? And I bet you people would still be upset if it included 9/11 in one episode but didn't give it enough time or didn't do it deeply enough.
Rachel's boss tied up Chandler first! she was just asking for it. at least he left her in there knowing Rachel had a key & would find her the next day. When she originally left Chandler in her office hand cuffed to the chair, she had no idea Jennifer Aniston had a key & could get in, in case of an emergency. both are pretty fcked up scenarios, but it is not like he just up & did something psychotic out of the blue for no reason. lbvs. There was at least some explanation. Great topic though! :)
2:56 To be fair, over the course of the show it's hinted that his relationship with his father - and his mother - were far from the best; one telling flashback is the 'more turkey Mr. Chandler?' one where we understand Chandler was used by his parents, as shown by his mother trying to poison his father's image in the eyes of Chandler. Also, transvestite? I never got why they hired Kathleen Turner to play a TRANSVESTITE MAN. Gunther was pretty much a stalker for Rachel, so... If I remember well, it was both the creators and NBC decided that 9/11 didn't happen in FRIENDSland...
+Gregory House Kathleen Turner was chosen because she has that great husky voice and is a "larger" woman (tall, broad shoulders, etc.). In an interview once, she joked that she was often mistaken for a drag queen before she was well known (I couldn't find this when I tried to Google it). I thought this casting was actually one of the best comedic features of Friends .... whom I always thought were god-awful people but at the time I stood alone.
Or in 2016 we could decide it was ahead of it's time in promoting to society "see people how they want to be seen, not how they might actually look". We'd be wrong, but why not throw a progressive bone at a show people followed for a decade?
Was just rewatching FRIENDS, and I didn't pick up on this earlier as much, but after "ross said rachel at the wedding" and the fallout they all refer to emily as a "controlling, conniving woman", as if what she did afterwards was REALLY bad and inexcusable, and NO ONE ever calls ross out on saying Rachel (not seriously, anyway). Realistically, emily's reactions (including stipulating that ross never see rachel, and get rid of anything that 'rachel has sat on' (probably more of a 'rachel detox' thing)) are not only completely excusable but expected, frankly I'd have expected way worse, there was NO WAY I can imagine them even TRYING to fix the marraige, I mean ross actually EXPECTED emily to go on the honeymoon with him? WHAT O.O.
I AGREE! AND she's giving up her home, family and job to move to NY with him how could he not give her anything she asks for after humiliating her. I always hated the way the "Friends" acted like she was in the wrong.
What's even worse is she has to say it, Ross should of cut off Rachel straight away without any promoting and the rest of the friends where disgusting for demonizing Emily just because they didn't want their little group broken up.
nah, emily is the worst since day one. "i must control and even though i dont trust you i will stay married to you" DUMB. a mature person would grow up and move on
Because when something that tragic happens, you can't just ignore it. And even the goofiest of people have tragedy in their lives. "Friends" may not have felt they could get the tone of a 9/11 episode right and decided it'd be more respectful to say nothing at all, but that doesn't mean it *can't* be done. Sitcoms handled heavy topics all the time. Remember the "Home Improvement" episode when they found a lump in Randy's throat? The whole episode was about whether or not he had cancer. It's still one of my favorites.
becker had a very good eps that some what covered the 911 attacks without going into the fall out of it. they had him stuck in a subway with a litle old lady who wanted to get to down town area buit couldnt figure out the subway system.. he was helping her till the last 10 mins when they got to thelocation she needed to be at before she walk away she broke down expaining that its been a year since the attack and her son was in the trade building when it happen ..it was a very good way to show the fall out without being tacky
+PaperbackWizard I have to disagree. I always found when sitcoms went into heavy topics (which happened often in the 80's & 90's) they became weighed down. They are the ones I skip. They're always super sappy. Do you really want to see a Big Bang Theory episode where Penny gets raped? If this was the early 90's it would've happened by now. They don't provide the entertainment you (well, most people anyway) are looking for in a sitcom. They were frequently eye rollers and you would hope next week you didn't have to deal with that crap. To me, they always felt nothing more than emotionally manipulative. The Randy episodes of the later years of HI were the worst. "Ship that overrated child actor off!" was my thought then and it hasn't changed. They could do emotional episodes, but the good ones weren't trying so damned hard. Take Family Matters' first Christmas episode where Laura tells off Steve and comes to feel sorry that she did. How do you picture Friends doing a 9/11 episode? At best, it would have been an weepy, uninspired sentimental piece. I think many confuse just what sitcoms are at their core. They're escapist in nature. It's why you DON'T see such heavy handed episodes in the genre anymore. Sure, they'll touch upon them now and then (difficulties adopting a baby in Modern Family) or when they absolutely HAVE to do so (John Ritter's death in My Teenage Daughter), but it's now the exception to the rule because the writers and producers have realized how cheesy they were in the 80's & 90's. You can argue shows like MASH, but that had a slightly different, slightly politicized tone from it's outset, dealing with draftees in an active war zone.
also, people watch comedy to laugh, they dont need to talk about tragedy. also, it was literally the only thing on tv for a week, everything else was shut down. we needed to move on with our lives.
What's worse is other shows use this formula of liking horrible people, best example is "How I Met Your Mother" Ted Mosby: a complete moron when it comes to women and falls in love easier then Anna from Frozen. Robin Sherbotsky: an ex pop star turned trigger happy savage. Marshel Ericson: enjoys the physical pain of others way to much. Lilly Aldren: 10 times the manipulator Monica is to the point where she should be working with a super villain. Barny Stinson: a sex obsessed sociopath, need I go on from there.
plasticbutler It's implied that she got married to someone in Las Vegas but didn't think anything of it because she thought "people who got married in Vegas are only married IN Vegas".
Becker Sullivan That's a quick conclusion you came to, since they never elaborate it's possible she may have gotten a divorce or something and we just didn't see it. Then again knowing how bat-shit-crazy she is you may also be right.
Or you know, writing in a kid every episode is tiring and makes for usually bad TV. Couple that with the fact of strict work laws where minors can work only a limited amount of hours, makes writing it in a bitch.
I'm glad Ben wasn't in more episodes. I really dislike episodes in ANY show that center around kids. I really don't like children so I find those episodes annoying.
Why would the kid be in every episode? Carol has the majority of the custody for the kid, and the show didn't televise the entire lives of these characters. He could've had Ben way more often than the show illustrates.
Morally speaking they do terrible things, yes, but that's not even the point of the series. If it were like that even you guys would have to neglect half of the shows and movies you like because the characters aren't perfect. It's supposed to be theatrical, over dramatized for comedic purposes. Yes, it's a mass media medium, and it can influence viewers but it's our own decision to encourage such behaviors and take it seriously, which we shouldn't, because it's pure, simple, clear entertainment.
Right. No PR strategist would allow them to touch it because you don't gain anything from it, and you risk making a joke that creates a PR sh__storm. It would also feel really dated to viewers in syndication.
I've thought about this before, and it's true, I would really hate the friends if I knew them in real life. All six are completely selfish. The girls are manipulative and mean. The guys are sexist and closed-minded. I could go on and on about what's wrong with each of them. Taking all that into account, Ross is my favorite because he doesn't have a commitment phobia like Joey and Chandler, and he is the most educated and kind of the six, in my opinion. But he is pretty whiny, which is why he's some people's least favorite. I agree we see him spend a ridiculously small amount of time with his kids, but keep in mind that all the episodes of Friends only take up about 84 hours of time spread over ten years. I've always assumed that he spends time with Ben and later Emma in between episodes or scenes. I also assume they all go to work in between episodes and scenes. There are plenty of times a scene starts with someone coming home or to the coffee house after work.
Dan: "No I watched it the first time through and remembered every detail." Katie: "I hate you." This exchange has become a lot funnier now that we know Katie wrote most of this episode from memory, even down to naming the episodes the editors could find the relevant clips in. She was the real Daniel behind the scenes for this one.
There's no question the the majority of the Friends cast are terrible people. But about half of the stuff complained about here aren't actually bad things
That commentary was GENIUS. My favorite memory of the hidden crazy in this group of people was Phoebe talking about the future and who would marry or end up with who, and Phoebe just tosses in there that she murders one of the friends. I liked this show because it does point out that you can end up in close relationships with people that can hurt you or get you killed.
Worst part is that especially in later seasons they keep forgetting basic traits of each other, get mad because someone screws up in exactly the way you'd expect them to and then hug when they remember this trait of their close friend again.
Why The Friends From 'Friends' Are Terrible People - bit.ly/1H0XwHy Of all the unrealistic things about “Friends,” no one mentions how unlikely it was for six utterly lousy human beings to find each other. Watch the whole damn “After Hours” episode right here! #itsavideomfers
Cracked All sitcom characters are horrible human beings on some level, that's what makes them sitcom characters. Treating the world around them as disposable and interchangeable is the driving impetus for comedy (hell, you guys know that). If they were to humanize everyone nothing would be funny and every episode would be a long PBS special about why you shouldn't treat people like that. The point is they treat each other well, the whole "I'll be there for you" thing, they live up to that. When the chips are down, they show up for each other (see: every character post-break-up). How many millennials can say that about their friends?
That's so true... I love Chandler, he's my favourite guy from the show but if I dated him in real life, I would probably end up hating him. Sitcom characters are always doing things we would never do in real life to any of our friends (normal people) and in 20 minutes they make a mess and by the end of the episode, things are fine again as if nothing happened. Joey's horrible to women, Phoebe has an awful temper, Rachel can be very superficial, Monica is a control freak, Ross is insecure about everything and Chandler has low self esteem. But I think that's why people love the show, the characters are both good and bad just like people are. Obviously, as a sitcom, it has to be over the top otherwise no one would watch it.
Cracked u guys should do an after hours where you try to be the person to your left or whatever way you want while talking about pop culture and ruining childhoods, btw love after hours
Kevin Learner Except the odds of living the life they do in a place like Manhattan are pretty slim, Monica's apartment might as well be the garden of Eden. They don't really seem to have to deal with the things I assume New Yorkers deal with (subways, surviving on pennies, crazy work hours). It's an interesting point but the show portrays New York as a wonderful place to live in even if you're a failed actor or a freelance masseuse.
Yes she is spoiled but matures greatly throughout the series, I wouldn’t say worst one tho she is still a great friend n so what she has many flaws, still a great character
@@mjgoat2366 Does she mature? If anything she only seems to get worse in the later seasons. She's incredibly manipulative with double standards. Rewatching it recently, she comes across as the worst because her behavior is actively in bad faith and cruel, unlike others in the group.
other than the fact joey sometimes would make up who he is, joey was actually probably the best of the group. he has seven sisters so he knows more about women than chandler or ross. he's far more caring than ross who acts like Gentleman type of guy bc he thinks bc he's nice women should want him, ross also throws his knowledge in their faces as if to say they are all dumb, which isn't true they all just have different strengths --i.e chandler works with money or something originally so he must be good with numbers. Joey is the fun goofball who you want to sleep with bc of his personality
+Ani0227 he tells women his name is buzz Adams and we know this much when we find out how Rachel got pregnant bc Rachel says "I learned that from my friend who slept with a guy named buzz Adams" and he points to himself and goes "BUZZ ADAMS" I mean he typically was a good guy but he did have tricks to get women to sleeping with him which isn't ok
+Party Poison To be fair, Buzz Adams was a role he played for one of his acting jobs. Rachel's friend might have only known him from that, it doesn't mean he explicitly lied.
Are you kidding me? Joey was a typical narcissistic womanizer who objectified women constantly and treated them disrespectfully by discarding them after the first night. And he wasn’t “sweet,” he was just childish due to his low IQ.
It's part of loving people for their flaws. They dramatize archetypes of everyday people that most people can at least somewhat relate to each character. Seinfeld took a more down to Earth approach.
Well, that's what sitcoms are all about, dramatizing the flaws and archetypes of people. I mean, most family bassed sitcoms have an EXTREMELY controlling parental figure for example who i always want to punch in the face, but that's part of the recipe. HOWEVER, there are some points in here that's not explained by that...like: they didn't talk about 9/11 WTF? Or, how about how rachel GOES to ross' wedding with the SOLE intention of stopping it, she MUST know deep down that ross still does like her, and ultimately the reason they aren't together was her fault in a lot of ways (she was extremely demanding in the relationship). ALSO WTF, NONE of the friends chide ross about saying rachel? that's just COMPLETELY F'ed up? on top of that, he expected emily to just continue the honeymoon like nothing happened? WTF*2? Then there's all the other crap rachel does ( +Robert Botelho points some out below).
I can't relate to any of the characters on Friends lol the only one I could vaguely relate to would be Phoebe but I don't milk my tragedies like she does
I think Rachel is the absolute worst of the friends. She constantly says she and Ross were not on a break even though in that episode she tells Monica that she and Ross broke up. On top of that she is a horrible friend to Ross. She constantly interferes in Ross's relationships. She told Ross not to sleep with Julie, she flew to London to stop Ross's wedding and she convinced Ross's girlfriend Bonnie to shave her head. Rachel was the absolute worst
Joshua Pearce Seems like he'd crash on your everything. But are you talking about the real Michael or the character? I've always imagined that they play heavily exaggerated forms of themselves.
The characters, of course. I don't know anything about the actors as people. The real Daniel probably doesn't have an eidetic memory or all those useful OCD traits I value in a friend.
Honestly, if I had to choose between the "terrible people" of F.R.I.E.N.D.S vs any character Seth MacFarlane's created, it wouldn't be a contest. Seriously, you want to talk about horrible friends? Try a universe of bad friends, family, and acquaintances. Literally almost every character in Family Guy, American Dad, and The Cleveland Show has moments displaying just how awful it would be to know them. Whatever shortcomings Ross, Chandler, Rachel, Joey, Monica, or Phoebe have, there's no comparison to a series of shows built upon stretching the worst of humanity to its legal limit all for cheap laughs. Plus, most friends in real life aren't cookie cutter "good or bad" anyway. Everyone has something about them that someone else may dislike. Part of what makes F.R.I.E.N.D.S so enjoyable even today is that these characters stuck together for so long DESPITE how crappy they were. That's much more realistic and relatable than a show where half the characters are saints and the other sinners. Life just isn't that simple. On another note, while there is no mention of 9/11 in the show, the episode "The One Where Rachel Tells Ross" was actually filmed before September 11th but aired in October 2001 instead due to the worst timing. When the attacks happened, the writers were as shocked as everyone else and specifically chose to push back the aforementioned episode because it contained scenes involving Chandler and Monica getting into a scrap with airport security and making jokes about bombs that would have sent the public at the time into an uproar. There are several articles about this to read for anyone who believes that the show didn't care about people's feelings on the subject. The reasons for the tragedy never being brought up was mainly the exact opposite.
someone with actual valid points. and they were more realistic than big bang theory or how i met ur mother. coz i dont see himym guys working except for robin
+Kanika Garal ive seen the actors who played marshal and barney in a lot of stuff since how i met your mother ended, but the actress who played robin is in marvel movies now, so she problably got the best work out of all of them.
Pilox Planet Yeah, when I first heard they were including Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman, Cobie Smulders was the first one I thought of. She looks more like Diana in my opinion than Gal Gadot (not that I dislike her) and could have trained to fit the "Amazon physique". It could have been a mild chuckle with Marvel too, having her play two characters from different comics. I was hoping the 2017 film would focus on her upbringing on Themyscira, showing her tackling a Greek-related threat (Hades, Ares, etc) in the Underworld or Tartarus. I didn't want Clash of the Titans, just a story that explored Diana as a person and how she becomes Wonder Woman before entering the outside world. I'll still give the upcoming film a chance of course, but from what I've seen thus far, it involves her adventures in WW II, which I consider much too far ahead to start off. I also don't want it to be another Nolan-style plot that jumbles between present day events and telling her origins. Batman Begins was good, but Man of Steel already rehashed its formula. Wonder Woman should stand apart.
Keith i personally am not looking forward to the wonder women movie, i heard it constantly jumos ahead in time and world war 2 is just one part of it.
Pilox Planet Oh, great. Well, I'll give it a chance regardless, if for no other reason than because I've waited FOREVER for a Wonder Woman film. Please don't let this bomb -_-
Rachel kept a box of sentimental things that meant things to her. She was always someone you could talk to when you needed it. Monica stuck a turkey on her freaking head to say sorry to chandler! And she was so loving to everyone. To quote: "I'm gonna love you so much" to her children. Phoebe had three children for her brother! What she must have gone through for something that wasn't even her own. Remember that time when Ross was going to be on the Discovery Channel but Rachel needed his help for some minor stuff and he still agreed to do it. And they had just broken up as well! And remember that bit where Chandler gave a heartwarming speech to Erica about Monica? If that's not love I don't know what is. He quit a stable job to be with his wife on Christmas as well And don't even get me started on Joey. He gave up meat for Phoebe just so that no extra cows would die. He proposed to both Rachel and Phoebe to support them when he thought they were pregnant. He never took advantage of any woman, despite what it might say in the video. Joey covered for Monica and Chandlers dating in season 5, putting him through some serious embarrassment. When Chandler was trying to propose to Monica by using 'the plan' and she got the wrong idea, he told her everything and set up their proposal. So yeah, they have their flaws. But that doesn't make them terrible people. It makes them people
Chandler is absolutely the best one. Sure he's funny, he's obviously intelligent etc. But he's also the best friend of them - I think he actually cares more about the others than the rest of them do. He's the one Ross and Joey both consider their best friend, which says something. He's always the first to sacrifice something for one of them. For example, when he and Monica are trying to have sex one last time before they leave London, but upset Ross asks them to stay, it's Chandler - and not Monica (Ross's SISTER) - who first decides to stay. His relationship with Joey just sums it up; when Joey's misunderstood something Chandler's the one who instantly knows what Joey's thinking about and explains it to him, he constantly supports Joey financially seemingly without getting anything in return. And the whole homophobic point - Chandler's not homophobic, he just embarrasses easily, and he associates his father's drag queen persona with years of humiliation as a child. We see him getting mistaken for gay and perhaps caring more than he should, but that's perhaps understandable when he blames his father's sexuality for his unhappy childhood. When it comes to just being emotionally close with another man Chandler's far less uptight about it than, say, Ross. He and Joey are always hugging and saying they love each other. Plus, the only gay character introduced that isn't directly personal to Chandler (that I can remember) is Phoebe's gay ice dancer, and Chandler doesn't seem to have a problem with him
+Justin “Credible” Love Thing is, his creepiness and that his womanising is a horrible thing is acknowledged in the show. Same way, HIMYM acknowledges that all the characters interfere excessively at eachother's lives and are not the most pleasant people to be around. With Friends, it always felt like all the shitty things they do were kind of glossed over or presented as cute or quirky.
Obviously, the guy has learned to do shit like that from past experiences where behavior like that got him rewarded with sex or whatever!! He wouldn't do it if it didn't!! You can't blame "Joey" nearly as much as you should blame ALL the many women who have sex with him, usually on like the first date too!!!
Chandler is the best out of them all your arguments against him are weak, his father completely traumatized his childhood (Which honestly is not surprising)
Charlene Alyssa Ingram lol.. same. I'll offer to pay for whatever they want. "I just wanted a little bite /taste" doesn't cut it, as I tell them I'll take any left over for lunch etc the next day. I'm like any dog that way. I can't stand people poking around my food once I'm eating or have procured the perfect proportion amount! lol 😁
datbtrue My old friend's son tried to poke at food once. When I moved my dish out his way, she got mad at me for not giving him some. HE HAD HIS OWN FOOD! Plus, I was eating something he couldn't have, so she's an idiot.
The use, misuse or absence of 9/11 from TV shows that aired during 2001 should be inadmissible in judging said show. I would go so far as to say it is insensitive to suggest there was something wrong with how FRIENDS addressed 9/11. It was fucking 9/11, every TV show was struggling with whether mentioning it was honoring it or exploiting it. Comedies tended to ignore it (as there isn't much humor in massive tragic death). What exactly could they have done. A scene with Joey crying in the middle of ground zero... and then segue to Chandler making a "could this BE any more devastating" joke.
What are you talking about when you say they don't know about history and politics. In the episode where penn convinces joey to buy an encyclopedia, but can only afford to get one, everyone shows great knowledge in these subjects.
Rachael is the worst. She's by far the most selfish and has everything handed to her in life. She has a brief period where she has to work then gets a job high paying high level job that she is in now way qualified for, based solely on her looks then wants respect for a she's achieved. Plus....they were, in fact, on a break
you don't get to decide that you and you're partner are on a break AND make the rules. You want a commitment commit, you want time apart you accept the consequences. She's selfish because she thought she could make the decision to take a break AND make the rules. You don't see that because you're selfish too. If you take a break with your partner they have every right to and should fuck someone else
SweetieNerd This is true. I believe during that time, shows had some kind of moratorium on talking about the 9/11 events. Because it might be viewed as using the recent tragedy to boost show ratings.
SweetieNerd They made a point to avoid it. On the DVDs, there was commentary on the episode where Chandler and Monica went on their honeymoon. Originally in that episode, Chandler was going through the metal detector at the airport and he made a joke about having a bomb, which got him detained and supposedly hilarity ensues. It was written and recorded before 9/11, but wasn't aired until afterward, so they changed it to Monica whining about not getting 1st class when some other couple did.
RossZ428 makes sense, it is one of the biggest tragedies of American culture, and they probably omitted it out of respect. After all with how recent it was it would have been a "too soon" moment. Plus the show never really featured real world issues prominently, and since the show is a sitcom having something like that would probably not have gone over too well.
Chris Pearce Yeah but as a show that's supposed to be a commentary on the times, they should've at least talked about it. Glee had an episode about a school shooting. Bones had an episode about 9/11.
There was also the fact that Joey mentioned on multiple occasions wanting to sleep with an 18 or 19 year old girl and no one has a problem with it, yet they mock Ross when he has an actual relationship with a 20 year old (Which is still unethical considering she’s his student)
Like she even had to lie about her age in the first place! Whether she's 22 or 26 is irrelevant to the legality. Plus, young horny men who cannot get the time of day from women their own age, would sleep with a woman in her 50's or 60's, if that's what it takes. She told that lie more to get herself in the mood, than to get him in the mood. It was his lie that is the worse one, as lying about being legally old enough to have sex would make the other person be an unwitting felon. We don't really know how old he was, only that he was a senior in high school. We can assume he's probably 17 or 18, based on typical high school ages. The age of consent in New York was and still is 17 years old.
I weird out because in each of the Friends characters "bad behavior" I can see my own group of friends and I. I mean is that so bad that we're not that nice ? After all nobody is perfetly good, neither perfectly bad, if we feel confortable enough to be nasty around each others from time to time, it maybe means we're close enough to be honest too.
***** Even when he wasn't at work he was the awkward quiet guy in the corner. We do actually see him outside of Central Perk, we even see him at a few parties. He's terrible as talking to people, and is extremely creepy towards Rachel and Ross :P
***** Well first off, I am autistic so.. the hell? Second... he's a creepy stalker who shares his fantasies about Ross having horrible deaths so that he can be with Rachel. That's my main point of contention.
Spike Prime Because he's in love with her. You only think he was "creepy" because he wasn't as attractive as the rest of them. If Brad Pitt were doing the same thing nobody would consider it creepy. Nobody would even question it. And so what if he is a bit socially awkward, that doesn't make him a bad person it just means he's not comfortable in large groups of people.
Anthony Caputa Well that is blatantly untrue. I am easily capable of being creeped out by attractive-looking people. I happen to think Clark Kent from the TV show Smallville started out as rather pervy and weird. Dude used his telescope to spy on Lana Lang daily, and that is not okay.
Spike Prime Uh, ok lol. Little bit different though than watching from with in the same room. It's not like Gunther was sitting outside her room every night sniffing her socks or anything.
One reason they didn't mention 9-11 is that most seasons on a TV are filmed, edited etc in it's entirety before they are aired so they would either have to a) write a special episode, and rewrite the rest of the season, because that's not something that can be dealt with in one episode and then back to the zaniness or b) write an episode about put it in the next season which would be broadcast the following year so people who lost loved one's would have to relive it if they happened to watch it
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I think Joey is the only sane one. He just likes sex and sandwiches. He was also the most understanding? Until the later seasons when the writers turned him into a twelve year old.
Chris Pearce although he got real growth. when a girl pulled the same shit on him he does, he went through his entire phone book to apologize to every girl he pulled the same shit on. he rarely feels like his masculinity is threatened, and (going meta here) him helping at ground zero but not saying a word in bragging and just carrying on would totally be in character for him IMO as he probably would not see it as something to brag about.
advocatefish d I felt Joe and Phoebe were the best because they were the most self aware. It was obvious they were the moochers of the show. Everybody knows a moocher. The other four just seemed like false people, because of many things mentioned in the episode that I agree with.
Nathan Hromanik here is the thing though, Phoebe always took moral high grounds despite showing hypocrisy by admitting to being a former mugger and openly two-timing, as well as .not having a Freudian excuse for her behavior
Robert Simmons Honestly I just put her in the homeless female category. Since that's essentially what she does many times and is almost entirely reliant on her friends at times. (ie mooch) Her character growth was just essentially becoming a normal functioning adult with a job that would last more than a year or two. There is no excuse for her behavior because she is the most realistic person. Someone who had the capacity for deeds and it is understandable how manipulating they can be. Totally legit. Would you agree that they nerfed Joey later on?
To be fair with Chandler, his father being a woman effected him his entire childhood plus being constantly confused with being gay would piss anyone off.
There is that episode where Phoebe dates a psychologist who ends up listing a bunch of reasons that they're all bad people. They all ignore it.
+Deet Cologon Yeah, they just "hate that guy"
wasnt that on how i met your mother
+Pilox Planet don't know. Haven't watched it. Could happen on both. Wouldn't be surprised.
Deet Cologon ya, on how i met your mother, robin dated a psychologist that pointed out everything wrong with them.
+Pilox Planet ha, then it is both. Sitcoms, eh?
I can't believe they didn't address how they actively stole each other's lovers!!
if you want the real answers to that question, read my comment above posted under john minutella
they were actively each other's lovers lol
You can't steal people, but I get your point
i mean first we gotta address people using the word "lovers" in the 21st century
I know! I'll never forgive Monica for making Chandler leave his "roommate".
Why does Ross, the largest Friend, not simply eat the other five?
And absorb their powers
Cian It was a Joey-heavy episode anyway
Cian Perhaps they are saving that for sweeps.
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Cian sweet reference bruh
"JOEY DOESN'T SHARE FOOD!" However: when Phoebe gets pregnant and starts craving meat not only does Joey let her finish the sandwich he was eating in the shower but also GIVES UP MEAT so that she can eat "his portion of animals" without feeling guilty for taking life because it would have been eaten anyway.
He did ate it in London though
Yes but he decided that the same rules do not apply in London, which is why he ate as if he never promised anything to Phoebe. This just shows a lack of integrity.
If your problem with his character is that he ate the food that he enjoyed on his best friend's destination wedding he is one solid stand up guy.@@ladyXLR8
also Ross was seen sharing ice cream with Marcel, but in a thanksgiving episode, he said he doesn't like ice cream. And!! In the same episode, Chandler said he hates dogs, but agreed to take care of 3 "puppies" that were actually the triplets. AND!!! When Joey got an acting job, Ross told him not to sleep with his students. Later on, Ross does the same thing!! AND!!! They said that Joey had a girlfriend for 3 years, but later on says that it doesn't take a shower to get over a relationship.
MaxLovesSharks I don’t think the characters are bad (in terms of tv at least), the show just lacks continuity.
The actress who played Phoebe actually came out recently and said she realizes everyone is equating her with the character and she wanted to set it straight and say she is nothing like her.
The only time rachel is ever into ross is when ross is in a relationship or interested in someone
yeah other than that she treated him like garbage 90% of the time, I really couldn't see Ross/Rachaels relationship lasting more than two years.
Hlumelo Mrali FACTS
IMO
That's true
Rachel is evil. She did the same to Joey.
Rachel clearly likes having Ross being hung up on her while she withholds a decision to keep him waiting on her. It’s like that episode of Rick and Morty where Morty calls out Jessica by saying “You miss the old me. You miss having someone who loved you so much you didn’t have to love them back.”
I can excuse all of Phoebe's shortcomings - look at her backstory. She brings it up so much that I think the audience is desensitized to how much tragedy she's gone through. Her biological dad walked out on the family, her older twin sister overshadowed her accomplishments, her stepdad ended up in prison, the woman raising her (who she believed to be her mom) killed herself, and then she finds out her biological mom didn't want to raise her. Phoebe had to live on the streets, never went to high school, somehow encountered a pimp long enough to contract hepatitis from him, has admitted to taking self-defense courses to deter rapists ("the YMCA guys weren't very Christian"), and mugged people to survive. The fact that she's not currently a crack whore is amazing.
Yep!
thank you she rocks
+InkHeart17 Yeah it's pretty true that she had an edge, and all the friends knew it. Honestly, I don't think anyone would disagree that Pheobe can be considered the most dangerous out of all of them.
Still though, she does have a lot of sweet and considerate moments, and she's floopy. I'd totally love to have Pheobe as a friend.
+InkHeart17 Yes and no. Agree with all of those things but bringing up her dead mum for the sympathy vote all the time really pissed me off
Doesn't change the fact that she'd be a horrible friend! Sure her back story explains her violent and generally disturbed nature, but do you really want to hang out with someone who leaves her fuck buddies attached to a drain pipe just somewhere like a necklace in her house? No, of course not.
What about when Rachel had Bonnie shave her head just because she was jealous? That seems like a pretty inexcusable thing to do.
hell there's even the episode referred to in this video where Rachael "confessed" she was into Ross when he was getting serious with Julie, but got super pissed when Ross was convinced into making a pros and cons list for Rachael and Julie. Like for some reason Ross is the asshole for trying to reason his way out of a rock and a hard place, and the list was literally just a list of quirky little flaws of Rachael and Ross admitting he is not in love with Julie because he loves Rachael. That episode still pisses me off
Oh god, don't! I have a friend that penalises everything Ross does and justifies everything Rachel does. She dismissed the Bonnie thing by saying "Oh, that's probably something I would do"...
Well yeah, but why the hell did she take her word for it. Also, I'd take a bald Christine Taylor over most women any day. Some women look good with a shaved head. Sigourney Weaver rocked that look for Alien3.
@Y Wall Yes, exactly. 100% agree
She messed up Julie’s hair too
I don't think its fair to say they're too self centered to acknowledge 9/11. People got really touchy about that. A bunch of people wanted to ban the second lord of the rings because it came out the same year and was subtitled, "The Two Towers". Mentioning 9/11 at all would've ran the risk of being called insensitive, so they didn't take the chance.
+Jay Haytch Agreed, and for a sitcom to just stop dead in its tracks to address a terrible real life occurrence it would 1. Probably not be funny at all, which is what the show is supposed to be, and 2. Lampshade a matter that was ALL OVER the media even outside of the US and force people to look at 9/11 related media no matter where they looked, no matter how much they wanted to get away from all that and just, for once, in those dark times, sit back and laugh at something and enjoy it without terrorism shoved in their face.
Thank you! This guy gets it! ^
+Jay Haytch dude, even the Spiderman comics acknowledged 9/11.
+Jay Haytch for a show this funny and light hearted having it mention 9/11 would be a little too dark/ touchy
+Jay Haytch it would have been really out of character for any of them to give a shit, too
Joey looks downright innocent when compared to Barney Stinson.
LukeMM95 They both are innocent when compared to Dennis Reynolds.
Kez Man Both of you raise good points. However, while Joey was portrayed as a "ladies man" with a normal albeit overbearing family life, Barney's behavior was vindicated by childhood emotional trauma similar to Donald Draper, and Dennis is often literally diagnosed with borderline personality disorder or schizoid personality disorder.
This is a spectrum of deviant behavior, but the true importance is how it is portrayed to its audience.
Anyone looks innocent compared to Dennis
LukeMM95 Barney actually changed though especially when his friends stopped making light of the situation (kind of) (golden rule being that the finale never happened)
veryfancydoily Finale...what finale
can't believe you guys missed the fact that throughout the entire series, they all made fun of Monica for being fat when she was in highschool
Enedina Gomez That’s funny.
@ULGROTHA Friends roast each other all the time. When you're as fat as she was, it's just too easy.
@ULGROTHA Your friends gotta roast you. The appropriate response is to either learn to accept yourself or lose weight. Either way you're better off. If you have a negative response then you're tripping but your real friends will stop killing ya.
@@HomeVidEdd But here's the thing they roasted for how she used to be constantly! She's really healthy now, but instead of acknowledging that they just make fun of her for how she was in highschool
They know that Monica is beautiful women and have addressed it but since it was big part of her childhood whenever it comes up they tend to roast her a bit she takes it very lightly .
They didn’t mention how much Chandler toyed with Janice’s feelings. Sure, she was a bit weird and not my favorite, but she shouldn’t have been treated the way she was
I hated chandler so much cuz of it. It was funny at first but then so mean that I felt bad evertime he did it. I hoped that he ends like the heckler dude
she cheated on him
Janice cheated on him come on
Chandler was afraid of commitment for very valid reasons and yet he still tried to put himself out there for her. She took that vulnerability and cheated on him. He hates her for it and yet remains mostly civil whenever he sees her. There's other reasons why he's a bad person but Janice is no saint either.
Dude, she cheated when his feelings were getting really serious.
There was that epsiode where Rachel tries to get her emotionally reserved boyfriend to cry and ends up digging up emotionally repressed grief over childhood bullying. Granted the chicken nickname was pretty funny, but since he doesn't get over the issue instead of taking him to a therapist she just ditches him cause he's "too much of a pussy" now despite her being the one who provoked him into that state.
My God, that's horrible.
Yeah it was pretty mean-spirited by the end of the episode
Ikr poor Ross
Kevin Petrak Ross had it coming. He said another woman's name on the alter. And that whole "we were on a break" bull? He was SO disloyal to Rachel! Like it hasn't even been 24 hours!! Even if they were on a break, that's still messed up!! So he did his fair share to deserve it.
Yeah the more I look back on that episode, the more douchey Ross looks
The Friends are all child-like personalities in adult situations. Chandler's life is largely dictated by his childhood traumas. Monica has an uncontrollable need for attention and for things to go her way. Joey would rather play than do his chores. Rachel is still a spoiled little girl. Phoebe is that one weird girl bully everyone grew up with. Ross likes to impress people with how smart he is.
Everyone still has those traits inside them, often buried under layers of tact and strategy. Through Friends, we get to explore what would happen if we let them out as adults. What do sexual relationships, jobs and making it on your own look like when you operate on a 9 year old's morality?
Phoebe's BULLYING stems from her depressing childhood. Suicidal caregiver, Runaway father, Homelessness.
@@waynerembert3116 that's no excuse lol
This is why I still like Seinfeld. Those characters were all as childish as the cast of Friends. The difference is the framing on part of the audience. You can laugh at and with both casts; but the audience want Ross, Rachel, Chandler, Monica, Joey, and Phoebe to succeed. You don't really want Jerry, Elaine, George, and Kramer to succeed at whatever escapades they get into.
@@waynerembert3116 cool motive, still bullying (and mugging, assault, being manipulative, etc.)
most people would rather play than do chores
chandler left racheals boss hangcuffed at her office because thats what she did to him so it was more like a revenge thing and not some wierd sexual thing he enjoyed
Revenge makes it better?
@@ingriddubbel8468 A little bit yeah
Not because it makes it a good thing but because he had a reason beyond just sexual perversion
If he did it for no reason beyond 'its funny' then it says he is a severely messed up person who would probably do it again if given the chance
But he did it for revenge, it was in retaliation to something and clearly a one off event that he would't try again
It's not good but it is better.
Let's not forget the episode where Monica was tricked by Phoebe to cook thanksgiving dinner even though she told them that she wasn't gonna be making thanksgiving dinner cause she and Chandler were waiting to see if they gotten the house, and to top it all off everyone showed up late.
Also, Monica breaks up with a senior because of a 5-10 age gap, later being with a man who is TWENTY years older. Another thing is that Ross broke up with a girl because she is from Poughkeepsie far from New York City, later MARRYING a girl who lives in ENGLAND.
Anthony Rosenthal actually she broke up with him because he was under aged
Yeah, I think if they were BOTH in their 20s she wouldn't have as been as creeped out. Anyone dating somebody underage is disgusting.
Holycrap it's Anthony rosenthal
It was because he was underage. Duh!
It was never said that he was underage y'all.
He was a senior in high school, but most people I knew as a senior were 18
TO BE FAIR about Chandler's latent homophobia. He only expresses concern about gayness when he's accused of being gay or when the subject of his dad comes up because his father traumatized him (he walked in on his dad and a house-servant having sex when he was nine) and then abandoned him.
Chandler doesn't have an issue with gays, he has an issue with his dad and the idea that he could be anything like his dad...he just targets the most superficial aspects of his dad's persona.
Hmmm.....I wonder: Did his dad's crossdressing, feminating urges confuse little chandler and his developing little brain...maybe making him kinda gay which he desperately represses. He does often subsidize his own houseboy to live with him (Joey). And he doesn't like most of Joey's girlfriends, probably because he listens to them have sex and he wants to be them. But he does want to kill his dad now, so a check there...What's chandler's relation like with his mom? Is Monica like his mom? Monica tries to be the most traditional American housewife of the friends...so Monica is probably the archetype model woman that chandler's dad always wanted to be. Ladies & gentlemen, I think we have a theory.
To be even more fair... It's annoying to constantly be called something you're not.
I'm sure all Republicans get tired of non republicans calling them racist.
You don't want to be called fat all the time if you're not fat.
You're not a "bleeding heart liberal" because you think about others.
And if you lose out on dates, get set up on dates with the gender you're not interested in, have people treat you a certain way for something that you're not... after a while, yeah, you might have a bad reaction.
@revolution yeah he wasn't gay he just had a lot of issues with women because of BOTH his shitty parents
As someone who is actually gay, I have to seriously disagree with this. Chandler and Ross are probably the most homophobic and misogynistic of all the characters. Chandler makes fun of Joey all the time if Joey does anything that isn't strictly, 100% masculine: mocking him for liking sweet-smelling potpourri, or having a pink pillow on his couch, or carrying a man-bag. And in Season 5, when Ross mentions something about being Gary's cop-partner, Chandler actually responds "you know when you say 'partner', it doesn't sound cop, it sounds gay".
And, if you wanna talk about Chandler's father, whatever trauma he suffered doesn't justify his mockery of the song 'it's raining men', his childish disapproval of a male wearing a backless dress, and happily laughs when his mother says to his father "don't you have a little too much penis to be wearing a dress like that". So yeah, Chandler was an unabashed hate-filled homophobe and you shouldn't be apologising or making random excuses for him.
R Cuthbert yeah
Chandler is the kindest friend. Consider the fact that Joey owes him a lot of money, and Chandler doesn't even give a second thought to letting it go. Remember that he and Joey actually went through all the things that Chandler paid for for Joey, and the number was so large that Joey (who until that point was throughly intent on paying him) tried to immediately drop it. And this was right after Joey started in a major motion picture. So Joey just got paid Hollywood money and still wasn't able to pay Chandler back without going bankrupt. That's a lot of money. And Chandler is totally fine with the fact that that money is never getting back to him. He pays for every bill from his and Joey's apartment. His and Monica's wedding, which was apparently Monica's cheaper alternative wedding, was calculated to cost roughly $60,000. Her dream wedding would've taken Chandler's entire life savings, and in the end Chandler was willing to pay for it. He is both the richest friend and the one who puts his friends before money. If someone owed me so much cash that even Hollywood money wouldnt be able to cover it, I'd be pissed and expecting that money. But Chandler doesn't care at all. Chandler is the best friend
But he also left a job he hated and came back after his ex-boss gave him several raises, he stopped smoking only after Phoebe gave him a thousand dollars (a promise that he broke later).And he did mention a few times to Joey that he owes him money and asking if he was ever going to pay him back.
Personally, I think the guy is just knuckling under with the money thing, he has always been a passive coward.
Chandler also went after Joey's girlfriend, twice if I remember correctly
Phoebe steals a child’s cat and then guilt-trips Ross into apologising to her because he had the nerve to tell her stealing a beloved pet is wrong just because she falsely believes a cat is her mother
She technically didn't steal the cat. She found the car when it walked into the coffee shop. And Ross diminished her believes that her mom spirit was in the cat. While Ross was correct that the cat needed to be returned to it's rightful owner he was still really insensitive to Phoebe and her believes.
@@captainofthes.saggressive2129 ...her batshit crazy beliefs. You dont enable that sort of craziness
Who cares it's phoebe, did you not pay attention to her character no i think not
Friends ten years on: Chandler stops using humor as a defense mechanism and finally goes on a killing spree, Phoebe is detained under the mental health act for try running someone over who she claims is a reptile person, Ross gets clubbed to death with a dinosaur bone by a colleague for being really f***ing annoying, Rachel loses her looks and regrets being so shallow as she grows into an old bag lady, Monica gets choked to death on one of her own cupcakes by someone who found her really f****ing annoying too, and Joey is diagnosed with every sexually transmitted disease on earth, along with all the innocent women he has infected. So no one told you life was gonna be this way, huh?
If only.
Lord Funface The Atomic Toaster Actually, Joey stopped stalking women and decided to get married.
But what about Gunther?!
Lord Funface The Atomic Toaster that wasnt dark at all lol
Lord Funface The Atomic Toaster Joey also gets a heart attack from all the food and the doctors also kills him for being really f***ing annoying.
I was waiting for them to mention how one of the running jokes was that they don't have any other friends
It's because they're all terrible
I was never into this series. It is like Sinfeld only with two extra people. And the more you watch the more you come to realize you just don't really like these people.
To be fair about the 9/11 thing, they purposefully didn't cover it because it was viewed as too serious/heavy a topic for a SitCom
Gethin Pearce how I Met your mother and scrubs both covered extremely heavy topics. Hell scrubs did it all the time
which translates to they were not talented or brave enough writers to handle the subject
@@ivanehtnoij6243 which translate to 'they had a choice whether to put that catastrophe into a sitcom with a laugh track and chose not to.'
Didn’t Sesame Street do an episode about 9/11???
They actually shot new scenes and added different jokes for an episode where Chandler and Monica go away for their honeymoon. The scenes before the changes made jokes about explosives and the tightness of airport security. The new scenes were about them following a different newly wed couple that got preferential treatment... The new scenes aren't funnier but they are a lot more sensitive.
Not to mention how Phoebe dated two guys at the same time (the kindergarten teacher and the firefighter). She just sort of put both of them on hold until she decided who she wanted to be with, and when they found out, I don’t think she was genuinely sorry.
If that happened to Phoebe, and there was an episode about a guy dating her AND another girl, she would be pissed. And everyone would say “what a jerk”. But because Phoebe is a main character “she was just having some fun”.
There are a lot of instances in which the friends do shitty things and aren’t held accountable, whereas if a side character does it, it IS deemed shitty.
Friends and Seinfeld were both about terrible people, as Dan pointed out, and only one of them ended with the shitty characters getting their deserved comeuppance.
To be fair to Ross, everyone else calls him a great father. I think we're supposed to assume that he spends a lot of time with his son, just usually not in the parts of his life we see in his episodes. The episodes aren't supposed to cover every single day of his life.
And, Joey, being as misogynistic as he is, is the one that cares most about all his friends, that was shown several times. I think those two are the best.
when stuff gets really serious, it's Joey and Phoebe that hold the group together. As crazy and aloof as they are, they're really pretty grounded.
But he is homophobic and misogynistic... he's the worst
In filmmaking class, we were told that the audience only knows about a movie or television show what is shown on-screen. For Ross to be a great father, he would need to visit his son every episode. Joey would have to be shown saying and doing only friendly, kind things to women all the time, to not be a misogynist.
@@katepeverell9475 They even show several times in the show that he can easily accept a no and never crosses a line with women he hits on. He's just, as you said, a fuckboy and likes to sleep around. In and of itself that doesn't make him a bad person.
Everyone has flaws. Personally I rather like most of the friends. Rachel and Ross I don't really care for. I think some of your reasons aren't really that great. Like the 9/11 point. It's a comedy sitcom. How are you supposed to handle that? Imagine people at the time turning on the tv so they can forget about the devastation for a bit and they are reminded by a sitcom.
Considering how big and devastating the event was, not acknowledging it would've been largely impossible
but the last episodes of the series (in season 10) weren't really funny. there were a lot of drawn out emotional scenes of saying goodbye. it seemed a bit weird to me since it was supposed to be a comedy. also not mentioning it seems disrespectful considering the show took place in nyc. (?)
it's slightly ok to mention 9/11 I think now in shows, but when it first happened it wasn't good to joke or mention it in a comedy
I’m a bit too late but anyway, in the dvd edition there is a scene about their honeymoon where chandler is being sarcastic in an airport about bombs and get detained. It says it was deleted from the tv edition because it was too sensitive as it had just happened. I believe it said “we hope these scenes can now be enjoyed in the initial way they were created”, or something along those lines.
That's one of the reasons why this show is loved and visited by people again and again because it doesn't remind them of the real world miseries. No politics. No hate. No agenda. No preaching. No ambition to drive home. No race to take part in. Just being there, taking comfort and joy in the most trivial of things.
Chandler wasn't homophobic just because he didn't understand his father. It's a massive change in someone's life when they switch identities or whatever you call it, and it's an even bigger change for their family. And he was traumatized by his parents constant bickering which left him estranged from both his mother and father. Homophobic would imply that he hated his father, which he clearly did not. I realize that this doesn't seem like a big deal to most, but they just slipped that in and they are implying that anyone uncomfortable with Trans/crossdressers are automatically homophobic. I'm not comfortable with it either and I'm gay! It just really irks me when people jump to conclusions and say someone is homophobic without even understanding what it means and then overusing the word for everything. And don't even get me started on the differences between racism, prejudice, stereotypes and the misuse of all three.
Chandler did say in other episodes. That his father did cheat on his mother with the pool boy. Would often get drunk and stumble around the house. And would sleep around with people Chandler knew. And both Chandler's mom and dad hit on Chandler's friends. So that could be a reason why Chandler might not like his dad.
Besides calling him homophobic because of his dad. Yes Chandler does seem to get uncomfortable around people who are gay. But that could simply be because most of the time he's being confused for being gay. And since Chandler's not the most masculine character. He might get defensive.
he's homophobic. its not just with his father its with ANYTHING gay. watch more episodes kid. like all of them
Being uncomfortable with with trans people makes you transphobic not homophobic though I can list a dozen examples just of the top of my head where being gay or even feminine if you are a man was the butt of the joke so there is plenty of that as well Friends is not an exception either that was just a trend that was popular back then
There are two senses of the word. The only one I see in the dictionary is "having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people", e.g. Chandler's father (if due to his sleeping with men and not to his Helena Handbasket drag persona or his infidelity and divorce) or Ross's ex-wife. The other sense -- and Ross used this once, on Chandler's wedding day, the only time I remember the word being spoken in "Friends" -- is discomfort with the IDEA of homosexuality, especially in heterosexuals, especially when it makes straight male buddies fear intimacy. The whole nap thing was a mild homophobic joke even though it was clearly non-sexual. Then there's "I hope Ross doesn't think we both ran into the bathroom just because we didn't want to be around his fight with his fiancée" "I hope he does!" And the shower joke Ross actually called "homophobic" in an ironically approving way because it showed Chandler was back to his old self. (Chandler had pretended to misunderstand the use of the word "we" about getting in the shower as a suggestion that they, two straight men, shower together.)
We are all homophobic accept it and move on!
First: most of the children don’t show up in most of the episode Bc of child labor laws
Also here are some notable mentions
1. Rachel dated a younger man
2. She had an affair with her boss (not a bad thing but still frowned upon)
4. Monica dated a high schooler
5. Ross dated with a student
6. Also they never let anyone into their group the moment someone comes into their lives and sees a flaw they exclude them
Let's also remember the two wicked witches, Susan and Carol. Carol had an affair behind Ross's back for possibly months, an absolutely despicable thing to do. Then, she steals his child from him and raises that poor kid with the wench that she cheated on his dad with! THEN, whenever they see Ross, they treat him like HE'S the one who pulled all the crap! I couldn't be in a room with anyone who would treat another human being like that!
@jermaine tobin dated a younger man at work!
Monica dated an highschooler, but didn't have sex him.
had an affair with her boss is okay? You Americans are funny
To be fair, Chandler only left Rachel's boss locked up in her office because she did the exact same thing to him against his will. She ditched him there for most of the day (don't forget that before this she was manipulative in getting Chandler) and pretty much treated him like a sex object.
but Gunther, is a bit of stalker....😐
no
he isnt a stalker he is just in love with rachel. its not like he is following her home when she gets off of work or something
No he really is creepy it's not cute at all
Rachel goes to the coffee shop he works at. Not his fault he loves her.
But for replacing Daniel, he is kind perfect.
But for all other purposes, Mike is the best.
They dedicated an episode to those lost in 9/11 and the civil servants who worked after the event to clean up the city and help save lives. How much else do you want them to do on a sitcom to reference an American tragedy?
They had an episode with the whole "airport mix up after saying the word 'bomb'" thing going on and had to reshoot that week's episode on short notice after 9/11 occurred.
Kayla Donn Halsey Oh how inconvenient for them couldn't those people have scheduled their deaths at a time more convenient for the Friends crew😩
+Catt C They weren't whining about it or anything, they simply removed the episode because it was tasteful. You say it like they were upset about 9/11 because it made their episode go bad, but they LITERALLY removed it over the fact that IT WAS FUCKING 9/11!!!
The discussion is in-universe. We never see the Friends--as characters--acknowledge or deal with 9/11, which makes them seem aloof and heartless. Now, the producers decided not to acknowledge 9/11 because it was a comedy show, and 9/11 wasn't funny, so there's absolutely a reason why Friends never did anything. But it's outside of the scope of the character analysis.
They weren’t saying the production crew or writers of friends were bad people for ignoring 9/11 they said the characters were personally I think they just didn’t show it on screen because it wouldn’t have been funny. 9/11 and the characters coming to terms with it just happened off screen in the show.
Sitcoms since the 1970s discussed serious, controversial subjects, such as gang warfare, sexual assault, substance abuse, poverty, child molesting and prejudice in "very special episodes." They could have done one on 9/11, too.
I'm happy they didn't mention 9/11. It is a sitcom, not the type of TV show which should talk about stuff like that.
Same
Oh, you need to watch one day at a time. That's a real sitcom properly rooted in contextual reality
They kind of reference it, in a interview one of the producers says how they had subtle references but they didn't want to have them stand out. Cause friends isn't that type of tv show
One of the episodes that aired right after 9/11 was "dedicated to the people of New York City" in memoriam of the attacks. But otherwise than that, they really didn't adress it at all.
There were subtle reference to the people of new york. The cast wore sweatshirts with FDNY on it, and the little white board in Joey’s apartment also had references to the city and the firefighters.
As a transgender person, I'm actually okay with Chandler's feelings towards his father. It's not an easy thing for any family member to deal with, when someone suddenly announces they feel like the opposite sex - especially the father, a male role model, the person a son looks to, to learn how he should behave and self-identify. Yet even despite this awkwardness towards his father, Chandler doesn't actually hate him, or even insist his father wear male clothes at his wedding. Despite his discomfort he allows his father to be who he is. And that's all any transgender person really wants (at least that's how I feel).
Awesome input! I think those who support people being whoever they are have some uncertainty in how to be supportive.
That is kind and considerate of you , we should not judge people for their moments of bigotry we need to welcome them with open arms or they will not have a place to go to except for their bigoted self. We need to give their enlightenment a place to live , be accepted and thrive
I always thought the woke crowd attacking Ross and Chandler was pretty unfair. Chandler was traumatized by his father having an affair with the pool boy, and probably received a lot of bullying from other kids his age. Yet in the end he accepted his father, even though it made him uncomfortable.
Ross isn't even homophobic, but it's tragic to marry someone only to find out they're leaving you for someone of the opposite gender. There are so many feelings of self-doubt, confusion, and frustration at committing to and loving someone, and that betrayal ran so deep.
The only part is that i hate him only referring to her as his dad even when she is titally supposed to be a trans woman
@@roosajarvinen5698 That is more of an issue with the writers, though, than either Chandler or his father's characters.
I think at the time the show was written, few people were aware that transgender women usually prefer female pronouns - but then, back then, few people were even aware that transgender was a thing, so I gotta give them credit for inclusivity, even if poorly done and mostly used for a joke.
Also the whole fat shaming they do. They make out that Monica is better person because she's not fat, her life is better because she is skinny. I was watching the What If episode because it just got so bad and I felt like it was disgusting.
Jenna Beth Well no offense but it IS better to not be fat. Being fat is unhealthy.
lukazade101 being thinner does not make you a better friend
Avery Pierce It does make you healthier.
Fat shaming hahaha.
But it's bullying and horrible.
Rachel is truly the most horrible of the bunch. When they're at the beach, she causes Ross to break up with his girlfriend by convincing her to shave her head. Then, she teases him with sex before unleashing "the letter" on him: 18 pages of rambling, incoherent, language-mangling stream-of-consciousness verbal diarrhea, demanding that he concede that their breaking up was all his doing before she'll take him back. Then, when he refuses, she promptly breaks up with him again, less than 24 hours after breaking him up with his girlfriend. I'm astonished that no one ever called her out on that bullshit.
I dunno... Ross breaking up with his girlfriend because she shaved her head seems more douchy than Rachel convincing her to do it. Like, Rachel shouldn't have done it, but, toppling Ross's relationship shouldn't have been that easy.
I also disagree with your objection to stream-of-consciousness writing, 'cause that's the only way I roll, baby. *puts on some cool cool shades to drive her point home, and also so she's wearing some cool cool shades* :P
He didn't break up with her because she shaved her head. He broke up with her because Rachel manipulated him into breaking up with her so they could have sex (or that is how she implied it to him)
18 pages...FRONT AND BACK!
+Danielle Scorgie (sqronce)
Stream of consciousness is not the way to go if you care about the listener at all.
Yea, rachel def. the worst of them all. The rest of the just have exagerrated flaws that are excusable either due to artistic licensing (it's just a TV show meant to entertain, after all) OR some other redeeming quality (sure Joey is a womaniser but he's also almost childlike in his simple minded kindness and niceness).
And that's not even going into the other crap moves she's pulled on ross, someone who she KNOWS is completely in love with her, I mean, if you've had a crush on someone for that long, they have a certain power over you, regardless of where you are.
I'm sorry but the 9/11 point is actually really stupid and really annoyed me. OF COURSE none of the characters acknowledged 9/11 on screen. Friends is a sitcom and the show mentioning 9/11 probably would have been done in poor taste because of genre.
Cinnamon Rose Caramel not true. Sitcoms can go into deep, emotional things without betraying the genre. Ex: scrubs when Dr. Cox has his breakdown and how I Met your mother when Marshall's dad dies
Not to mention that it would a bit immoral to have 9/11 be a plot point in a super successful tv series. It would seem like they were trying to profit from tragedy, so having an episode that short afterwards would be awful. Not to mention that the show runners actually considered having a “very special episode” about 9/11, but realized that the show was happy comfort food so they should just try to comfort a mourning nation. Plus the first episode back after the tragedy was dedicated to the people of New York
They actually did but took it out of the episode
@@allisoncurl7453 exactly. It would also be kind of brain washy considering the success and of the show. It would be insanely powerful if they went anyi war or pro war with it, and no matter how they portrayed it, it would still have been a brainwash tool for either side. I think them not mentioning it was the best thing to do. Also scrubs was setup to do emotionally intense episodes because they were in a hospital. Friends would have been going way out of form to make a 911 episode. I cant imagine it being done well.
Buddy like every sitcom in the 70s/80s/90s had a "very special episode" where they dealt with some heavy shit. It's literally a trope for chrissakes.
Then there's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia where the gang is a terrible, terrible group of people but they get into wacky adventures, so you tend to see them as lovable idiots, forgetting how dark their actions really are.
***** Yeah but with them, they are meant to be seen as awful people, like the writers arent trying to hide how dark the shit they do is :)
***** that show was originally going to be called jerks
As already mentioned everybody knows it's about awful people and nobody is trying to hide to fact they are arseholes.
Jordan Rice Honestly, I never got the impression that we weren't supposed to think the Friends characters were kinda assholes. I found them lovable assholes and the show funny, but they make no secret of when they're just doing bad things out of selfishness. (Ross in particular is just the biggest douchebag, but I think the writers were mostly aware of it.)
***** But the gang are supposed to be awful people, which is why watching them get involved in some dumbass scheme and then watching them ultimately fuck it up because they're terrible people is so satisfying.
Chandler's father forced him to work at a transgender/gay burlesque show WHEN HE WAS A CHILD. That was obviously deeply traumatic and it makes sense that he would be uncomfortable going back to that environment or inviting his father (who he hadn't talked to in years) to his wedding. He isn't homophobic, he never had any kind of problem with Carol and Susan, it's specifically his father he doesn't like.
im late to this but how is that supposed to be traumatic?
@@tia8245 you being a child forced to wear a dress in front of grown men and with other grown men in a sexual nature (burlesque) is embarrassing and can be traumatic
*Most people don't take into account when discussing the "errors" of Friends:*
There is a total of 236 episodes, each episode is about 20 minutes, 236*20 gives us 4720 minutes of runtime, divide that by 60 and we get 78.6 hours. The show ran for 10 years, so that averages out to about 7.86 hours of their life covered per year. No more than 8 hours of their life covered per year (8766 hours in a year). There is literally no reason to assume they spend *all* their time at the coffee house, or that Ross never sees his son, or that they're never at work, along with other things people complain about. We get to see about 0.0009% of their year.
And also, even though Ben doesn't show up in a lot of episodes, Ross says every other episode something like "imma go pick up Ben" but we just don't get to see him
You have achieved 'meth'😸
it’s... a tv show... you can’t justify the things you don’t cover on your tv show by saying it happens when the camera’s not filming... it’s just stupid.
sarah ag - sure you can. It’s not stupid. We don’t see them pooping every episode, but presumably they do off screen. This is true of “real family” reality TV also. They cherry pick interesting things they do, and only a relatively small part of their life is recorded, and a much smaller part aired.
Justin S im just saying you can’t justify the lack of character development by saying the development happens off screen. if we’re talking cinema/tv producing and realization that just means your characters aren’t well done. we can therefore use that argument to make the show more realistic, yes.
rachel is my least favorite. she's a spoiled, shallow brat who only sees good things when they walk away from her. she's obsessive and possessive over everything and everyone, and is possibly the most competitive. she always has to be right, and she's a bitter ex as well as a victimizer.
이나영 agreed, she seems to think she’s inherently entitled to everything because she’s hot.
hollywoodshopaholic she never fucking said that tf quit assuming, every character has their bad moments so does Rachel but she and Joey r the nicest n most living n supportive friends smh, quit being a bitch n grow some balls n enjoy the show lmao
I think their flaws being so prominent is intentional because one of the big points of the show is that they are imperfect people with unstable lives, but have one another as a safety net and find happiness in their community.
Mariana Gomes
But that's every sitcom.
Has each other in a safety net while trying to actively kill, injure, maim, or at least frame and arrest one another while stealing from eachother and setting eachother up for disappointment and failures....
Yeah, great safety net...
And then comes the issue with the show lasting for ten seasons. All of their character traits and personality flaws get amplified and exaggerated with time. By the end, they will end up being objectively worse for comedic sake.
Many are imperfect. These people are evil
@@abb5596evil is a stretch come on
Those aren't real reasons to not like them. Chandler is allowed to be uncomfortable with his father. No matter how much he is "supposed" to be accepting, he had a very messed up childhood. Lets see how you would act if that was your dad.
Yeah, I think Chandler is the best of them.
And I think his attitude to his dad has more to do with his childhood trauma than general homophobia.
The three guys and Monica are the best
same way i do now cause i dont give a fuck. my dad's an ex con, i'd take dress wearing over that any day
Yes!
@Matthew Bigelow he was a literal CHILD. Of course he thought about himself!
Joey is not misogynistic! He genuinely cares about all of his female friends and he is very protective and loving toward his sisters. And he's not a date rapist. While he does score with a lot of women, he knows how to take care of them. And he has never once been shown to force himself upon a woman.
His female friends, His female family members....
my female friends your female family members are just vaginas to him....
well yeah he knows his female friends and family personally he can't feel that way about a stranger :P
@@snatchadams69 and what's the problem with that
Joey cares? Are you a sociopath? He doesn't even say goodbye: he has Chandler make them pancakes bcz he can't face them in the morning. He walk of shames himself by leaving his own apartment. He knows he's an assailed, but won't claim it.
Pros and Cons list of After Hours:
Pros:
It's amazing.
Cons:
I have wasted too much of my life rewatching episodes
This video actually perfectly summarizes why I love this show, because all 6 main characters have a great balance of realistic positive traits and flaws. They feel real. And are still pretty damn funny.
+Wawagirl17 they feel about a real as cheez whiz. and about as cheesy.
But these guys make the main cast of friends seem like jerks and makes the show feel horrible.
Sure it's not insanely funny but it has its moments & it's probably one of the more remembered sit-Coms
@@dukenukem2258 because the people on the show are genuinely horrible. they even point out in the episode that having shitty people in a sitcom isn't uncommon, but there are repercussions for their shitty behavior usually in other sitcoms
not really. all of them are really narcissistic
I think this show was so successful because it brought out, in comedic fashion, the darker tendencies everyone always jokes and thinks about doing in their lives and with their friends. Stealing money, being violent, manipulation, sexual promiscuity, etc., I think there are all degrees of "taboo" or bad things that people in all types of relationships think about, and Friends just happened to put all of those elements together within their storyline. Also, I understand them not mentioning 9/11 because in all reality, it would have been something that would have changed the character's lives permanently, and isn't particularly fair to the creative team to suddenly have some REAL in the world permanently alter their fictional characters. Also, it would need a good solid season at least to resolve all of the emotions... properly... so I think it was better to go the way they went, really, it's escapism anyway.
The whole Seinfeld comparison makes me want to see a cagematch between the Friends and the Seinfeld quartet. Sure, the Friends have the numerical advantage but I think a properly pissed off Elaine and Kramer count for two.
Beriorn would've made a great celebrity deathmatch
Beriorn Nah, I think the Seinfeld team should get Newman and Frank Costanza.
Don't forget George. He can lift 100 pounds over his head.
How about an epic rap battle of history fight?
***** That is the best idea I have ever heard. Someone tell the ERB guys to get on that now, please.
Chandler wasn’t necessarily homophobic. His resentment of his father comes from the divorce.
And from being pimped out to the pool guy.
So no one told them life was going to be that way. (clap-clap-clap-clap) Their jobs are jokes, they're broke, their love lives're DOA.
SilentBudgie It's like they're always stuck in second gear.
Musleblast TheUltimateGamer I guess it just hasn't been their day, their week, their month, or even their year.
***** Yeah, after watching the above video about friends,
no one will be there, when the rain starts to pour.
About 9-11, they did not mention it, because it is a show we watch in order to distract ourselves and cheer up.
Actually, they did acknowledge it, around the time of 9-11, they had a storyline about Monica and Chandler's honeymoon, when they get in trouble because Chandler couldn't help to joke about bombs in the security screening at the airport. They deleted the whole storyline and wrote something else to fill it up, time later, they showed the storyline on DVD, with a message regarding to the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
I don't think it's fair to expect a show to have to mention 9/11; many other tragedies happened in the world during the time. The bombings in the Middle East have killed more people than about 50 9/11s since and they don't get nowhere near as much attention. Not trying to understate the severity of one tragedy; I'm just saying 9/11 isn't the only one.
@Nimesh Singh, the difference is, Friends took place IN New York. 9/11 was not some distant tragedy to New Yorkers, it physically affected their lives. Though the fact that it was never touched upon in the show probably has more to do with self-censorship by the producers than anything else.
friends was shot in los angeles hollywood in a set not in newyork look it up.
That is irrelevant. The show TOOK PLACE in New York. This whole line of discussion is about why the show didn't mention 9-11, not where it was filmed.
The show was a comedy show; how do you think they could realistically mention 9/11 without completely changing focus on a serious exploration of a tragedy? I'm sorry this is ridiculous; there's many movies and TV shows that were set in NY but not shot there and didn't mention 9/11; why are they not facing heat? And I bet you people would still be upset if it included 9/11 in one episode but didn't give it enough time or didn't do it deeply enough.
Rachel's boss tied up Chandler first! she was just asking for it. at least he left her in there knowing Rachel had a key & would find her the next day. When she originally left Chandler in her office hand cuffed to the chair, she had no idea Jennifer Aniston had a key & could get in, in case of an emergency. both are pretty fcked up scenarios, but it is not like he just up & did something psychotic out of the blue for no reason. lbvs. There was at least some explanation. Great topic though! :)
Also, not that it changes things, just throwing it out there, 9/11 did get mentioned in the credits of one of the episodes.
I genuinely feel sorry for Monica. She has OCD and rather then actually trying to help her her 'friends' just make fun of her for it.
2:56 To be fair, over the course of the show it's hinted that his relationship with his father - and his mother - were far from the best; one telling flashback is the 'more turkey Mr. Chandler?' one where we understand Chandler was used by his parents, as shown by his mother trying to poison his father's image in the eyes of Chandler.
Also, transvestite? I never got why they hired Kathleen Turner to play a TRANSVESTITE MAN.
Gunther was pretty much a stalker for Rachel, so...
If I remember well, it was both the creators and NBC decided that 9/11 didn't happen in FRIENDSland...
+Gregory House Kathleen Turner was chosen because she has that great husky voice and is a "larger" woman (tall, broad shoulders, etc.). In an interview once, she joked that she was often mistaken for a drag queen before she was well known (I couldn't find this when I tried to Google it). I thought this casting was actually one of the best comedic features of Friends .... whom I always thought were god-awful people but at the time I stood alone.
Or in 2016 we could decide it was ahead of it's time in promoting to society "see people how they want to be seen, not how they might actually look".
We'd be wrong, but why not throw a progressive bone at a show people followed for a decade?
+Walter King because at the end of the day that one thing can't wash away the litany of social faux pas they commit...
Was just rewatching FRIENDS, and I didn't pick up on this earlier as much, but after "ross said rachel at the wedding" and the fallout they all refer to emily as a "controlling, conniving woman", as if what she did afterwards was REALLY bad and inexcusable, and NO ONE ever calls ross out on saying Rachel (not seriously, anyway). Realistically, emily's reactions (including stipulating that ross never see rachel, and get rid of anything that 'rachel has sat on' (probably more of a 'rachel detox' thing)) are not only completely excusable but expected, frankly I'd have expected way worse, there was NO WAY I can imagine them even TRYING to fix the marraige, I mean ross actually EXPECTED emily to go on the honeymoon with him? WHAT O.O.
I AGREE! AND she's giving up her home, family and job to move to NY with him how could he not give her anything she asks for after humiliating her. I always hated the way the "Friends" acted like she was in the wrong.
Tj Hariharan That is so true! This episode is making me question everything I know.
What's even worse is she has to say it, Ross should of cut off Rachel straight away without any promoting and the rest of the friends where disgusting for demonizing Emily just because they didn't want their little group broken up.
I agree. I hate when groups of friends always stick up for one another without taking into account what the friend did wrong.
nah, emily is the worst since day one. "i must control and even though i dont trust you i will stay married to you" DUMB. a mature person would grow up and move on
It's actually great that they didn't cover political stuff and tragic events like 9/11 bc it's timeless now :D and it's not only shown in America
but it sort of makes any other dramatic narrative that they would cover disingenuous by default...
Because when something that tragic happens, you can't just ignore it. And even the goofiest of people have tragedy in their lives. "Friends" may not have felt they could get the tone of a 9/11 episode right and decided it'd be more respectful to say nothing at all, but that doesn't mean it *can't* be done. Sitcoms handled heavy topics all the time. Remember the "Home Improvement" episode when they found a lump in Randy's throat? The whole episode was about whether or not he had cancer. It's still one of my favorites.
becker had a very good eps that some what covered the 911 attacks without going into the fall out of it. they had him stuck in a subway with a litle old lady who wanted to get to down town area buit couldnt figure out the subway system.. he was helping her till the last 10 mins when they got to thelocation she needed to be at before she walk away she broke down expaining that its been a year since the attack and her son was in the trade building when it happen ..it was a very good way to show the fall out without being tacky
+PaperbackWizard I have to disagree. I always found when sitcoms went into heavy topics (which happened often in the 80's & 90's) they became weighed down. They are the ones I skip. They're always super sappy. Do you really want to see a Big Bang Theory episode where Penny gets raped? If this was the early 90's it would've happened by now. They don't provide the entertainment you (well, most people anyway) are looking for in a sitcom. They were frequently eye rollers and you would hope next week you didn't have to deal with that crap. To me, they always felt nothing more than emotionally manipulative. The Randy episodes of the later years of HI were the worst. "Ship that overrated child actor off!" was my thought then and it hasn't changed. They could do emotional episodes, but the good ones weren't trying so damned hard. Take Family Matters' first Christmas episode where Laura tells off Steve and comes to feel sorry that she did.
How do you picture Friends doing a 9/11 episode? At best, it would have been an weepy, uninspired sentimental piece. I think many confuse just what sitcoms are at their core. They're escapist in nature. It's why you DON'T see such heavy handed episodes in the genre anymore. Sure, they'll touch upon them now and then (difficulties adopting a baby in Modern Family) or when they absolutely HAVE to do so (John Ritter's death in My Teenage Daughter), but it's now the exception to the rule because the writers and producers have realized how cheesy they were in the 80's & 90's. You can argue shows like MASH, but that had a slightly different, slightly politicized tone from it's outset, dealing with draftees in an active war zone.
also, people watch comedy to laugh, they dont need to talk about tragedy. also, it was literally the only thing on tv for a week, everything else was shut down. we needed to move on with our lives.
A show called Friends where everyone is so nice and genuinely a decent friend to each other would make a very boring series with zero conflict.
What's worse is other shows use this formula of liking horrible people, best example is "How I Met Your Mother"
Ted Mosby: a complete moron when it comes to women and falls in love easier then Anna from Frozen.
Robin Sherbotsky: an ex pop star turned trigger happy savage.
Marshel Ericson: enjoys the physical pain of others way to much.
Lilly Aldren: 10 times the manipulator Monica is to the point where she should be working with a super villain.
Barny Stinson: a sex obsessed sociopath, need I go on from there.
I hope you know that Friends was copied from another show.
The sopranos was the best to do it though
Wow, that is SOME exaggeration.
you should watch 'community' by dan harmon. it's simply stunning in playing with this formula
Actionfan19 you haven't seen the show.
Phoebe makes fun about Ross multiple marriages but she gets married 3 times herself...
Alberto Apodaca She married Mike and that gay guy who turned out not to be gay.
Who's the third one?
plasticbutler it's implied that she is still married to someone after a Vegas wedding. Therefore she's also a bigamist.
plasticbutler It's implied that she got married to someone in Las Vegas but didn't think anything of it because she thought "people who got married in Vegas are only married IN Vegas".
Becker Sullivan That's a quick conclusion you came to, since they never elaborate it's possible she may have gotten a divorce or something and we just didn't see it. Then again knowing how bat-shit-crazy she is you may also be right.
Chris Pearce The issue is that she got married, not whether or not she was divorced. She married twice before meeting Mike, divorced or not.
Maybe the reason rosses children weren't featured much was that he was a good dad and that would have been boring to watch
Or you know, writing in a kid every episode is tiring and makes for usually bad TV. Couple that with the fact of strict work laws where minors can work only a limited amount of hours, makes writing it in a bitch.
I'm glad Ben wasn't in more episodes. I really dislike episodes in ANY show that center around kids. I really don't like children so I find those episodes annoying.
How was Ross a good dad if he was never hardly with Ben? Sounds like an absentee dad, not a good dad.
Why would the kid be in every episode? Carol has the majority of the custody for the kid, and the show didn't televise the entire lives of these characters. He could've had Ben way more often than the show illustrates.
There's never any sort of custody battle or anything. Seems like Ross just doesn't want to be around Ben.
Obviously you can’t have a young boy in every single episode
Kids can definitely be very difficult to work with, and there are child labor laws to consider, too.
Morally speaking they do terrible things, yes, but that's not even the point of the series. If it were like that even you guys would have to neglect half of the shows and movies you like because the characters aren't perfect. It's supposed to be theatrical, over dramatized for comedic purposes. Yes, it's a mass media medium, and it can influence viewers but it's our own decision to encourage such behaviors and take it seriously, which we shouldn't, because it's pure, simple, clear entertainment.
But would the tragedy of 9-11 be put in the show? It's a very heavy topic.
Right. No PR strategist would allow them to touch it because you don't gain anything from it, and you risk making a joke that creates a PR sh__storm. It would also feel really dated to viewers in syndication.
Julia Garriott An American Flag was erected in Central Perk after 9/11 as their way of recognizing it.
I've thought about this before, and it's true, I would really hate the friends if I knew them in real life. All six are completely selfish. The girls are manipulative and mean. The guys are sexist and closed-minded. I could go on and on about what's wrong with each of them.
Taking all that into account, Ross is my favorite because he doesn't have a commitment phobia like Joey and Chandler, and he is the most educated and kind of the six, in my opinion. But he is pretty whiny, which is why he's some people's least favorite. I agree we see him spend a ridiculously small amount of time with his kids, but keep in mind that all the episodes of Friends only take up about 84 hours of time spread over ten years. I've always assumed that he spends time with Ben and later Emma in between episodes or scenes. I also assume they all go to work in between episodes and scenes. There are plenty of times a scene starts with someone coming home or to the coffee house after work.
he's not the least favorite because he's whiny. he's the least favorite because he's selfish and high-key toxic.
@@hairyoldman5259 Rachel is way more selfish and toxic than Ross, and for some dumb reason people like her.
Dan: "No I watched it the first time through and remembered every detail."
Katie: "I hate you."
This exchange has become a lot funnier now that we know Katie wrote most of this episode from memory, even down to naming the episodes the editors could find the relevant clips in. She was the real Daniel behind the scenes for this one.
There's no question the the majority of the Friends cast are terrible people. But about half of the stuff complained about here aren't actually bad things
Are you kidding? Like, every single quality mentioned in this video is bad.
That commentary was GENIUS. My favorite memory of the hidden crazy in this group of people was Phoebe talking about the future and who would marry or end up with who, and Phoebe just tosses in there that she murders one of the friends.
I liked this show because it does point out that you can end up in close relationships with people that can hurt you or get you killed.
Pro: There are many After Hours episodes to rewatch on TH-cam
Con: There are no new After Hours episodes being made. *cry*
Worst part is that especially in later seasons they keep forgetting basic traits of each other, get mad because someone screws up in exactly the way you'd expect them to and then hug when they remember this trait of their close friend again.
Okay, while I could agree with most of this, where do they get that Joey was possibly a date-rapist from?
He isn't. It is just that he is so good at closing the deal, they think he is cheating. I think it is just his skill as an actor.
Why The Friends From 'Friends' Are Terrible People - bit.ly/1H0XwHy
Of all the unrealistic things about “Friends,” no one mentions how unlikely it was for six utterly lousy human beings to find each other. Watch the whole damn “After Hours” episode right here! #itsavideomfers
Cracked All sitcom characters are horrible human beings on some level, that's what makes them sitcom characters. Treating the world around them as disposable and interchangeable is the driving impetus for comedy (hell, you guys know that). If they were to humanize everyone nothing would be funny and every episode would be a long PBS special about why you shouldn't treat people like that. The point is they treat each other well, the whole "I'll be there for you" thing, they live up to that. When the chips are down, they show up for each other (see: every character post-break-up). How many millennials can say that about their friends?
That's so true... I love Chandler, he's my favourite guy from the show but if I dated him in real life, I would probably end up hating him. Sitcom characters are always doing things we would never do in real life to any of our friends (normal people) and in 20 minutes they make a mess and by the end of the episode, things are fine again as if nothing happened. Joey's horrible to women, Phoebe has an awful temper, Rachel can be very superficial, Monica is a control freak, Ross is insecure about everything and Chandler has low self esteem. But I think that's why people love the show, the characters are both good and bad just like people are. Obviously, as a sitcom, it has to be over the top otherwise no one would watch it.
Cracked u guys should do an after hours where you try to be the person to your left or whatever way you want while talking about pop culture and ruining childhoods, btw love after hours
Kevin Learner Except the odds of living the life they do in a place like Manhattan are pretty slim, Monica's apartment might as well be the garden of Eden. They don't really seem to have to deal with the things I assume New Yorkers deal with (subways, surviving on pennies, crazy work hours). It's an interesting point but the show portrays New York as a wonderful place to live in even if you're a failed actor or a freelance masseuse.
Cracked Who is Gunther?
Rachelis the worst one, she feels entitled to everything and is very jealous about Ross dating
Yes she is spoiled but matures greatly throughout the series, I wouldn’t say worst one tho she is still a great friend n so what she has many flaws, still a great character
@@mjgoat2366 Does she mature? If anything she only seems to get worse in the later seasons. She's incredibly manipulative with double standards. Rewatching it recently, she comes across as the worst because her behavior is actively in bad faith and cruel, unlike others in the group.
Chandler was a good guy, loaned out thousands of dollars to Joey without asking for payback
The gang in Its Always Sunny in Philidelphia makes the Friends look like the family from Full House.
Because people in IASIP are written far better.
other than the fact joey sometimes would make up who he is, joey was actually probably the best of the group. he has seven sisters so he knows more about women than chandler or ross. he's far more caring than ross who acts like Gentleman type of guy bc he thinks bc he's nice women should want him, ross also throws his knowledge in their faces as if to say they are all dumb, which isn't true they all just have different strengths --i.e chandler works with money or something originally so he must be good with numbers. Joey is the fun goofball who you want to sleep with bc of his personality
+Ani0227 he tells women his name is buzz Adams and we know this much when we find out how Rachel got pregnant bc Rachel says "I learned that from my friend who slept with a guy named buzz Adams" and he points to himself and goes "BUZZ ADAMS" I mean he typically was a good guy but he did have tricks to get women to sleeping with him which isn't ok
+Party Poison To be fair, Buzz Adams was a role he played for one of his acting jobs. Rachel's friend might have only known him from that, it doesn't mean he explicitly lied.
no ross tell people when they are wrong, not if is a opion but when there fact are wrong, and ross was nice most of the time.
Are you kidding me? Joey was a typical narcissistic womanizer who objectified women constantly and treated them disrespectfully by discarding them after the first night. And he wasn’t “sweet,” he was just childish due to his low IQ.
ross is a teacher so part of that is habit, and he was married, joey does not get women long term he just the fun guy.
It's part of loving people for their flaws. They dramatize archetypes of everyday people that most people can at least somewhat relate to each character. Seinfeld took a more down to Earth approach.
Well, that's what sitcoms are all about, dramatizing the flaws and archetypes of people. I mean, most family bassed sitcoms have an EXTREMELY controlling parental figure for example who i always want to punch in the face, but that's part of the recipe. HOWEVER, there are some points in here that's not explained by that...like: they didn't talk about 9/11 WTF? Or, how about how rachel GOES to ross' wedding with the SOLE intention of stopping it, she MUST know deep down that ross still does like her, and ultimately the reason they aren't together was her fault in a lot of ways (she was extremely demanding in the relationship). ALSO WTF, NONE of the friends chide ross about saying rachel? that's just COMPLETELY F'ed up? on top of that, he expected emily to just continue the honeymoon like nothing happened? WTF*2?
Then there's all the other crap rachel does ( +Robert Botelho points some out below).
I can't relate to any of the characters on Friends lol the only one I could vaguely relate to would be Phoebe but I don't milk my tragedies like she does
Seinfeld was an anti-sitcom; in that there was no lesson-learning, heavy themes, or tedious "will they won't they" subplot
I like how Ross can do bad things and chandler can kiss joeys girlfriend but Joey right away feels bad for having a dream with Monica in it
I think Rachel is the absolute worst of the friends. She constantly says she and Ross were not on a break even though in that episode she tells Monica that she and Ross broke up.
On top of that she is a horrible friend to Ross. She constantly interferes in Ross's relationships. She told Ross not to sleep with Julie, she flew to London to stop Ross's wedding and she convinced Ross's girlfriend Bonnie to shave her head. Rachel was the absolute worst
Terrin Jose you could come up with the same amount of flaws for the other characters as well
I've said it before, but this is the first time it was apropos: I would be Daniel's friend, he's awesome.
Joshua Pearce More Swaim for me then.
Swaim seems like he'll eventually end up crashing on your couch, and I don't like that.
Joshua Pearce Seems like he'd crash on your everything. But are you talking about the real Michael or the character? I've always imagined that they play heavily exaggerated forms of themselves.
The characters, of course. I don't know anything about the actors as people. The real Daniel probably doesn't have an eidetic memory or all those useful OCD traits I value in a friend.
Joshua Pearce have friends like that, it useful because I never have to clean my own place.
Honestly, if I had to choose between the "terrible people" of F.R.I.E.N.D.S vs any character Seth MacFarlane's created, it wouldn't be a contest. Seriously, you want to talk about horrible friends? Try a universe of bad friends, family, and acquaintances. Literally almost every character in Family Guy, American Dad, and The Cleveland Show has moments displaying just how awful it would be to know them. Whatever shortcomings Ross, Chandler, Rachel, Joey, Monica, or Phoebe have, there's no comparison to a series of shows built upon stretching the worst of humanity to its legal limit all for cheap laughs. Plus, most friends in real life aren't cookie cutter "good or bad" anyway. Everyone has something about them that someone else may dislike. Part of what makes F.R.I.E.N.D.S so enjoyable even today is that these characters stuck together for so long DESPITE how crappy they were. That's much more realistic and relatable than a show where half the characters are saints and the other sinners. Life just isn't that simple.
On another note, while there is no mention of 9/11 in the show, the episode "The One Where Rachel Tells Ross" was actually filmed before September 11th but aired in October 2001 instead due to the worst timing. When the attacks happened, the writers were as shocked as everyone else and specifically chose to push back the aforementioned episode because it contained scenes involving Chandler and Monica getting into a scrap with airport security and making jokes about bombs that would have sent the public at the time into an uproar. There are several articles about this to read for anyone who believes that the show didn't care about people's feelings on the subject. The reasons for the tragedy never being brought up was mainly the exact opposite.
someone with actual valid points. and they were more realistic than big bang theory or how i met ur mother. coz i dont see himym guys working except for robin
+Kanika Garal ive seen the actors who played marshal and barney in a lot of stuff since how i met your mother ended, but the actress who played robin is in marvel movies now, so she problably got the best work out of all of them.
Pilox Planet Yeah, when I first heard they were including Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman, Cobie Smulders was the first one I thought of. She looks more like Diana in my opinion than Gal Gadot (not that I dislike her) and could have trained to fit the "Amazon physique". It could have been a mild chuckle with Marvel too, having her play two characters from different comics.
I was hoping the 2017 film would focus on her upbringing on Themyscira, showing her tackling a Greek-related threat (Hades, Ares, etc) in the Underworld or Tartarus. I didn't want Clash of the Titans, just a story that explored Diana as a person and how she becomes Wonder Woman before entering the outside world.
I'll still give the upcoming film a chance of course, but from what I've seen thus far, it involves her adventures in WW II, which I consider much too far ahead to start off.
I also don't want it to be another Nolan-style plot that jumbles between present day events and telling her origins. Batman Begins was good, but Man of Steel already rehashed its formula. Wonder Woman should stand apart.
Keith i personally am not looking forward to the wonder women movie, i heard it constantly jumos ahead in time and world war 2 is just one part of it.
Pilox Planet Oh, great. Well, I'll give it a chance regardless, if for no other reason than because I've waited FOREVER for a Wonder Woman film. Please don't let this bomb -_-
Rachel kept a box of sentimental things that meant things to her. She was always someone you could talk to when you needed it.
Monica stuck a turkey on her freaking head to say sorry to chandler! And she was so loving to everyone. To quote: "I'm gonna love you so much" to her children.
Phoebe had three children for her brother! What she must have gone through for something that wasn't even her own.
Remember that time when Ross was going to be on the Discovery Channel but Rachel needed his help for some minor stuff and he still agreed to do it. And they had just broken up as well!
And remember that bit where Chandler gave a heartwarming speech to Erica about Monica? If that's not love I don't know what is. He quit a stable job to be with his wife on Christmas as well
And don't even get me started on Joey. He gave up meat for Phoebe just so that no extra cows would die. He proposed to both Rachel and Phoebe to support them when he thought they were pregnant. He never took advantage of any woman, despite what it might say in the video. Joey covered for Monica and Chandlers dating in season 5, putting him through some serious embarrassment. When Chandler was trying to propose to Monica by using 'the plan' and she got the wrong idea, he told her everything and set up their proposal.
So yeah, they have their flaws. But that doesn't make them terrible people. It makes them people
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The Phoebe getting pregnant is actually covered in anther episode of this series. Hint: mathematically speaking, she lied. The kids were hers.
Very unrealistic people at times, but yes, I suppose you are right that there were some redeemable qualities...
Bad humans are nice sometimes but humans are generally disgusting and are looking for entitled excuses for shitty behaviour by choice.
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Chandler is absolutely the best one. Sure he's funny, he's obviously intelligent etc. But he's also the best friend of them - I think he actually cares more about the others than the rest of them do. He's the one Ross and Joey both consider their best friend, which says something. He's always the first to sacrifice something for one of them. For example, when he and Monica are trying to have sex one last time before they leave London, but upset Ross asks them to stay, it's Chandler - and not Monica (Ross's SISTER) - who first decides to stay. His relationship with Joey just sums it up; when Joey's misunderstood something Chandler's the one who instantly knows what Joey's thinking about and explains it to him, he constantly supports Joey financially seemingly without getting anything in return. And the whole homophobic point - Chandler's not homophobic, he just embarrasses easily, and he associates his father's drag queen persona with years of humiliation as a child. We see him getting mistaken for gay and perhaps caring more than he should, but that's perhaps understandable when he blames his father's sexuality for his unhappy childhood. When it comes to just being emotionally close with another man Chandler's far less uptight about it than, say, Ross. He and Joey are always hugging and saying they love each other. Plus, the only gay character introduced that isn't directly personal to Chandler (that I can remember) is Phoebe's gay ice dancer, and Chandler doesn't seem to have a problem with him
Good points!
Haha awesome episode, Friends is the best! Only thing I'll say in defense of Joey being a "creep" is he's not as bad as Swarly! ;)
+Justin “Credible” Love Thing is, his creepiness and that his womanising is a horrible thing is acknowledged in the show. Same way, HIMYM acknowledges that all the characters interfere excessively at eachother's lives and are not the most pleasant people to be around. With Friends, it always felt like all the shitty things they do were kind of glossed over or presented as cute or quirky.
Swarles Barkley...
+Neakal There is actually an episode in season 7 where Robin's current boyfriend Kevin psychoanalyses the group. It's hilarious.
Yeah I was kinda referring to that episode Its one of the best moments of the show I think.
Obviously, the guy has learned to do shit like that from past experiences where behavior like that got him rewarded with sex or whatever!! He wouldn't do it if it didn't!! You can't blame "Joey" nearly as much as you should blame ALL the many women who have sex with him, usually on like the first date too!!!
Yeah, because _real_ people don't have flaws and never make mistakes!
Chandler is the best out of them all your arguments against him are weak, his father completely traumatized his childhood (Which honestly is not surprising)
His father really didn't deserve to be invited to his wedding regardless, honestly.
Yeah, I'm with Joey. I don't like sharing my food either. I've also been told I have the same personality as Phoebe. Cool.
Charlene Alyssa Ingram lol.. same. I'll offer to pay for whatever they want. "I just wanted a little bite /taste" doesn't cut it, as I tell them I'll take any left over for lunch etc the next day. I'm like any dog that way. I can't stand people poking around my food once I'm eating or have procured the perfect proportion amount! lol 😁
datbtrue My old friend's son tried to poke at food once. When I moved my dish out his way, she got mad at me for not giving him some. HE HAD HIS OWN FOOD! Plus, I was eating something he couldn't have, so she's an idiot.
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lol..It's them. We're right and they're unreasonable and delusional
Plus chandler worked in the twin towers.
HE DID?!?!? DOESN'T THAT MEAN HE WOULD'VE DIED??
He wouldn't have died if he was hanging out with his friends at 11am on that not-so-random Tuesday.
Carmen Echeverria Don't make jokes about 9/11. Don't ever make jokes about 9/11. He would've died. End of story.
God damn 9/11 was fucking awful...
How do we know he worked in the twin towers?
The use, misuse or absence of 9/11 from TV shows that aired during 2001 should be inadmissible in judging said show.
I would go so far as to say it is insensitive to suggest there was something wrong with how FRIENDS addressed 9/11.
It was fucking 9/11, every TV show was struggling with whether mentioning it was honoring it or exploiting it. Comedies tended to ignore it (as there isn't much humor in massive tragic death).
What exactly could they have done. A scene with Joey crying in the middle of ground zero... and then segue to Chandler making a "could this BE any more devastating" joke.
What are you talking about when you say they don't know about history and politics. In the episode where penn convinces joey to buy an encyclopedia, but can only afford to get one, everyone shows great knowledge in these subjects.
Rachael is the worst. She's by far the most selfish and has everything handed to her in life. She has a brief period where she has to work then gets a job high paying high level job that she is in now way qualified for, based solely on her looks then wants respect for a she's achieved. Plus....they were, in fact, on a break
+Kenneth Aldred
Ikr. She specifically said that to Ross. What a b*tch.
you don't get to decide that you and you're partner are on a break AND make the rules. You want a commitment commit, you want time apart you accept the consequences. She's selfish because she thought she could make the decision to take a break AND make the rules. You don't see that because you're selfish too. If you take a break with your partner they have every right to and should fuck someone else
+Audaxi I can't believe I suckered you into an argument about what a horrible bitch Rachel from friends is. Dumbass. LOL
I mean the writers might not have wanted to bring up 9/11
SweetieNerd This is true.
I believe during that time, shows had some kind of moratorium on talking about the 9/11 events.
Because it might be viewed as using the recent tragedy to boost show ratings.
SweetieNerd They made a point to avoid it. On the DVDs, there was commentary on the episode where Chandler and Monica went on their honeymoon. Originally in that episode, Chandler was going through the metal detector at the airport and he made a joke about having a bomb, which got him detained and supposedly hilarity ensues. It was written and recorded before 9/11, but wasn't aired until afterward, so they changed it to Monica whining about not getting 1st class when some other couple did.
RossZ428 makes sense, it is one of the biggest tragedies of American culture, and they probably omitted it out of respect. After all with how recent it was it would have been a "too soon" moment. Plus the show never really featured real world issues prominently, and since the show is a sitcom having something like that would probably not have gone over too well.
Chris Pearce Yeah but as a show that's supposed to be a commentary on the times, they should've at least talked about it. Glee had an episode about a school shooting. Bones had an episode about 9/11.
Dark_Pinoy Friends producers were probably not as secure about their ratings
There was also the fact that Joey mentioned on multiple occasions wanting to sleep with an 18 or 19 year old girl and no one has a problem with it, yet they mock Ross when he has an actual relationship with a 20 year old (Which is still unethical considering she’s his student)
Why didn't they bring up Monica having lying about her age to sleep with a seventeen year old
Like she even had to lie about her age in the first place! Whether she's 22 or 26 is irrelevant to the legality. Plus, young horny men who cannot get the time of day from women their own age, would sleep with a woman in her 50's or 60's, if that's what it takes. She told that lie more to get herself in the mood, than to get him in the mood.
It was his lie that is the worse one, as lying about being legally old enough to have sex would make the other person be an unwitting felon. We don't really know how old he was, only that he was a senior in high school. We can assume he's probably 17 or 18, based on typical high school ages. The age of consent in New York was and still is 17 years old.
The guy she was sleeping with lied about his age too.
I weird out because in each of the Friends characters "bad behavior" I can see my own group of friends and I. I mean is that so bad that we're not that nice ? After all nobody is perfetly good, neither perfectly bad, if we feel confortable enough to be nasty around each others from time to time, it maybe means we're close enough to be honest too.
Exactly. Besides, the characters are kind of extreme, for comedic effect i guess
Gunther's a creepy stalker voyer. And he's extremely unsociable, less so even than Daniel. He's be terrible :P
***** Even when he wasn't at work he was the awkward quiet guy in the corner. We do actually see him outside of Central Perk, we even see him at a few parties. He's terrible as talking to people, and is extremely creepy towards Rachel and Ross :P
***** Well first off, I am autistic so.. the hell? Second... he's a creepy stalker who shares his fantasies about Ross having horrible deaths so that he can be with Rachel. That's my main point of contention.
Spike Prime Because he's in love with her. You only think he was "creepy" because he wasn't as attractive as the rest of them. If Brad Pitt were doing the same thing nobody would consider it creepy. Nobody would even question it. And so what if he is a bit socially awkward, that doesn't make him a bad person it just means he's not comfortable in large groups of people.
Anthony Caputa Well that is blatantly untrue. I am easily capable of being creeped out by attractive-looking people. I happen to think Clark Kent from the TV show Smallville started out as rather pervy and weird. Dude used his telescope to spy on Lana Lang daily, and that is not okay.
Spike Prime Uh, ok lol. Little bit different though than watching from with in the same room. It's not like Gunther was sitting outside her room every night sniffing her socks or anything.
This was a really great episode. That Gunther joke at the end was perfect. Nice job on the first episode Katey!
Joey is bad because he likes sex and doesn't share food? WTF? He's a great friend to all of them.
Nah, he's bad because he objectifies women and lies to them to get to fuck them.
One reason they didn't mention 9-11 is that most seasons on a TV are filmed, edited etc in it's entirety before they are aired so they would either have to a) write a special episode, and rewrite the rest of the season, because that's not something that can be dealt with in one episode and then back to the zaniness or b) write an episode about put it in the next season which would be broadcast the following year so people who lost loved one's would have to relive it if they happened to watch it
if south park could figure it out, so could friends.
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Cracked, would you please do more After Hours? Or even Today's Topic's? I don't know about anyone else but After Hours is the main reason I stay subscribed {^_^}. Now I just have to figure out why I'm still subscribed to "College Humor".....
***** With Jake and Amir officially gone, I question this myself.
***** I think it's Emily, but i could be wrong... been wondering that myself lately
Nathan Henry Really the only thing I like on there anymore are the very rare "Adam Ruins Everything" videos.
***** Fully agree on both posts.
***** After Hours 1 a month, Todays Topic 1 a month
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If you don't like their Original Content series such as: Rom.com, Adventures in Jedi School, Anti-heroes, 8- Bits . Then GTFO cause they work hard on that quality content damn TH-cam freeloader. Cracked.com is what Collegehumor emulated years ago and succeeded in duplicating.
I think Joey is the only sane one. He just likes sex and sandwiches. He was also the most understanding? Until the later seasons when the writers turned him into a twelve year old.
advocatefish d they always gave him that twelve year old vibe, they just went full throttle with it after season 3 which kinda killed it.
Chris Pearce although he got real growth. when a girl pulled the same shit on him he does, he went through his entire phone book to apologize to every girl he pulled the same shit on. he rarely feels like his masculinity is threatened, and (going meta here) him helping at ground zero but not saying a word in bragging and just carrying on would totally be in character for him IMO as he probably would not see it as something to brag about.
advocatefish d I felt Joe and Phoebe were the best because they were the most self aware. It was obvious they were the moochers of the show. Everybody knows a moocher. The other four just seemed like false people, because of many things mentioned in the episode that I agree with.
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here is the thing though, Phoebe always took moral high grounds despite showing hypocrisy by admitting to being a former mugger and openly two-timing, as well as .not having a Freudian excuse for her behavior
Robert Simmons Honestly I just put her in the homeless female category. Since that's essentially what she does many times and is almost entirely reliant on her friends at times. (ie mooch)
Her character growth was just essentially becoming a normal functioning adult with a job that would last more than a year or two. There is no excuse for her behavior because she is the most realistic person. Someone who had the capacity for deeds and it is understandable how manipulating they can be. Totally legit.
Would you agree that they nerfed Joey later on?
To be fair with Chandler, his father being a woman effected him his entire childhood plus being constantly confused with being gay would piss anyone off.