One numerical error to correct: Thrust stacks 20% 3 times for a max of 60%. Conclusions remain the same & I still recommend it as a must pick for all 3 variants.
Finally a shovel tier list that I needed. I'm not too sure how much the Ogyrn variants differ from the new Veteran shovels so a video on those would be nice.
The vet shovel is so fun for me, and it's all because of the foldable heavy attack. It's absolutely devastating when charged and the animation/sound effects when the spike gets stuck in a mutants head and ripped out or Crusher frak Armor feeling like it got hit by a can opener. I just run the shovel version that has sweeping heavies, and then I have the foldable heavy for single target annihilation.
I love when some Crushers spawns and my team is "oh no, Crushers!" but i smile and equip my shovel ready to open cans. I equiped mine with Confident Strike to pump toughness killing small enemies, and Thrust to delete heavy hitters with secondary mode. Also it have 25% damage against carapace, but i prefer 10% damage against elites than 25% to flak armoured.
This is the exact type of youtube content I look for. Good analysis, showing your reasoning, honest recommendation, no fluff. Really enjoy your stuff, look forward to whenever you're able to continue, if it indeed becomes a series! I appreciate your work.
I'm getting shafted with the Catachan sword rolls for my Zelot, every blessing I get has been to do with extra impact thanks for another deep dive into the weapons
To be fair its splitting hairs with the verdict I made, the one-shot slightly edged it. The Mk III is still a monster though & remains my favourite weapon for the Ogryn!
A bit of info for ya as someone who has used them a lot, in 90% of situations, full bore + no respite are the blessings ya want on a shotgun. In addtion to this, it should be known that the dragons breath shell on the Kantreal shotgun is devastating vs unyielding, which includes bosses, if multiple dragonsbreath shells are fired one after another to apply as many burn stacks as possible. In addtion to this, the dragons breath shell will perice a bullwarks sheild and apply burn stacks, the bullwark dropping dead after a short time if 3 shells worth of stacks are applied and said shotgun has a unyeilding perk, 2 shells if you are playing zealot and have the purge the unclean talent node in addtion to the damage perk on the weapon itself.
I like the MKV shovel, as its heavy attacks can be chained for horde clear, in proper ogryn behavior. and that allows all of ogryns heavy attack skills to apply constantly. The special attack is used for elite and specials deleting, and with thrust i can oneshot crushers. Its a proper all-rounder but doesn't overshadow purpose built weapons
- Neat, I have yet to use the shovel I was either using that big club cause the way enemies flop around from it is awesomely satisfying or was running slab shield for tanking.
These guides are great but you didn't ask the most important question when it comes to shovels... which one digs better? Such a critical gameplay feature you know! (Love your guides! Really been super helpful when putting builds together! Can't wait for the shotgun one.)
Hahaha! The all important question! Thank you for the kind words, hopefully coming before the end of the month, couple of other bits I'm working on first bit we shall see!
After playing with these shovels, definitely agree they all need thrust and carapace armor blessing. Flak is a good 2nd perk, but I will also contend that unyielding is a good choice as well. Not just for monstrosity (which is very helpful) but also the other enemy ogryn's. They are technically 1 shots with the alternative pick axe attack but (and depending on your other build and stats) usually only after nearly the maximum charge time. Unyielding damage will just take some of that guess work out of the equation when you're getting overwhelmed and make 1 shots a lot more consistent on enemy ogryns which is great.
So, I think you mention in your video that, with the MK V, you need 25% carapace, Crunch talent and Thrust IV to one shot crushers, but I have a 79% damage and first attack (with only 64% penetration) shovel and I can't seem to one shot crushers. I can one shot everything else, just not crushers. I do not have brutal momentum. However, if I follow a build similar to yours (a build I've been using with a power maul) with talents like bonebreaker's aura, I can. Am I missing something? Is it possible that it's actually 25% carapace, crunch, thrust IV and, either brutal momentum IV or bonebreaker's aura (a minimum of 10% additional headshot/heavy damage from some other source)? I noticed both your builds incorporate bonebreaker's aura, either way. edit: I just checked this with a Mk XIX (77% dmg, 80% first target, 76% penetration) with 25% carapace, crunch, thrust IV and it doesn't one shot crushers. For that matter, it does not one shot a reaper, either. With the build that includes bonebreaker's aura and goes down the left tree, both (Mk V, XIX) will one shot crushers. A build that doesn't have bonecrusher and goes down the middle path has not yielded one shots for me. edit2: Ok, some more checking. With my Mk V and XIX, I can not one shot crushers with even 25% carapace, crunch, thrust IV, bonecrusher. It looks like I need heavy hitter as well (which means investing into the far left branch). Bonecrusher + heavy hitter would be a base of 15% more damage on a heavy hit which is the equivalent of brutal momentum weakspot damage.
a mk5 shovel with T4 thrust, T4 BM, T4 Carapace and T4 Elite damage will 1 tap crushers and maulers without crunch. Good luck on the hadron lottery #breakthelocks
I feel like Brutal Momentum is even more necessary for the Mk XIX compared to the other two, and it's because you have no heavy attacks for CC: Brutal Momentum letting you cleave clean through heads and dealing more damage make it way more reliable. You do lose toughness regen, but admittedly I think the Mk XIX already pairs super well with the Kickback, and ogryn gun special attacks all register as heavies. So if I need some toughness, I start bashing trash mobs with the kickback, which regens toughness, and builds stacks of Heavy Hitter, which the Mk XIX struggles to build naturally. Obviously a melee Kickback doesn't really do a lot of damage, but it knocks things around, keeps you alive, and then builds all your stacks for the Mk XIX, meaning you kinda get the best of both worlds: Mk XIX's excellent duelling ability and faster swing speed than the other shovels, and still decent enough CC. Plus Brutal Momentum still works on the folded shovel attack as well, and I'm surprised at how much use I get out of that. At least once a map, I tend to kill at least 2 ragers in one swing, and when you get patrols of Maulers or Crushers, you can genuinely pretty reliably kill 4 in one swing if you don't let them flank you.
Due to the Mk XIX not really benefitting from Heavy Hitter as much as the other two, I just opt to build the tree differently. Brutal Momentum is very good I agree, but I reckon the average player will struggle with the toughness deficit making Confident Strike more valuable overall, especially since it doesn't lack damage or CC without Brutal Momentum. I've also found personally its more valuable to just use the folding attack over the standard heavy attacks most of the time which one shot everything without Heavy Hitter! So building down to Feel No Pain feels natural for the XIX, it also allows people to side-track to point blank barrage for some more build freedom if they wish as well.
@@TheWileSpice I suppose it would depend on what you're using the shovel for. If you're not going for a hardline Skullcrusher melee, get stuck in and stay in build, then 100% I'd go for the toughness regen. But I *do* think it benefits a lot from Heavy Hitter as a duelling weapon, as it (combined with BM's headshot bonus damage) lets you hit a number of breakpoints for one-shotting enemies with the normal heavy attacks, which come out much quicker and are a lot safer to use, especially as the folded attack has a lot of recovery comparatively. Heavy Hitter also lets you save some talent points (notably on Crunch), and kills a little bit faster. So really all just a matter of preference, but BM is what "unlocked" the weapon's potential for me, or at least how I play.
For me, sorting all these chain weaspons would be most helpful, even a comparison between the types (Sword vs Axe vs Evisorator) and when I want to pick on over another. Also yes please on Shotguns!
Another amazing video, i really appreciate the depth you dive into in these. Especially being a big boy main. Do you think you would be able to do a guide on the bell easter egg karnak boss fight, aka the extra hard mode im having alot of trouble beating it.
Thank you! Aye, Ogryn deserved some coverage especially since rather Shovels are my faves! & Possibly! I'm not in depthly versed with the optimum tactics. I do know you need to focus the elites when they spawn and avoid the mines!!!
Disagree on Thust on the Mark19, Brutal momentum should be the baseline on it shovels, but mark 19 should use Confident strike as it is the best for light attacks non bleed(heavis) builds, you are only using heavis attacks on it for Crushers and Maulers anyways (yes you will need 2/3 hits to kill Crushers and Maulers without Thrust yes but I think that's ok and maximizing light atack sinergy and leaving the Crusher oneshots for the Mark 5 which is made for heavy attacks is the way to go). Basically I like the mark19 Shovel as al alternative to Cleaver 3 light attack spamer, which works great on Point Blank style builds or just non heavy attacks builds. Good breakdown.
Thats fair. Personally, after having played it without Thrust, the extra time it takes to kill something because you have to hit them 1 or 2 more times equates to a lot of DPS lost due to how slow the Folded heavy attack is for example & it already kills basic units fast enough with light attacks without brutal momentum. & it's the heavy targets that are more threatening, so being able to one shot them all is just more valuable imo!
Well while the shovels are good, i havent been lucky enough to get a good good ond for Ogryn, but i have gotten a god tier bully club (first variant), it got thrust 4( so 20% more power on heavy attacks) and the brittleness add on, Then i gave it the 25% damage buff against carapace armor. So with the heavy melee build, it kills crushers in 2 hits if i get Max charge heavies and it is headshots
I've definitely been thinking about it. They do have unique roles so its hard to directly compare them you're right. But could be a good comparison regardless.
@@TheWileSpice Hell yeah, I made a support sniper build with the mk II and it definitely cooks, looking forward to what you make! Side note: the weapon customization mod is an absolute game changer to use different sights instead of its base iron sights 😂
You should have mentioned that the folded shovels have this horrendous hangtime after being used. Another is that the Mk19 uniquely has higher damage on its first 2 light chains (by about 20%)
I find the hang time is only bad when you swing and miss, seems fine otherwise. & ill have to check again but I don't remember it getting a boost for the first fee attacks! Could have just missed it.
Mark 19 shovel actually works pretty well on crushers in terms that if you EVER were to put it in a gun lugger build, the single-target damage of the shovel would put in some damn good work against the two most opposing enemies in the form of crushers and mutants. Oh? You thought I would say maulers? Try the Achylis stubber with flak damage increase and check out the heavyweapons build. thank me later.
It does but I see more benefit in Confident Strike enabling you as a front liner especially with how many shooters the game spawns, as it doesn't struggle for damage without Brutal Momentum.
Only thing i really dislike about the Mrk3 shovel is the Horde combo. Light attacks just feel so bad on Ogryn because they get 0 buffs from any of the Ogryn talents and generate no temp health unless you are running something like confident strike
The light attack is pretty integral once you think about it though. When you only use heavy attacks on the Mk V for example, it's so slow it can invite unwanted attacks. Whereas when you use the light attack inbetween it more quickly staggers enemies from attacking you. The light attack will also boost your damage if you go with the Hard Knocks talent.
@@TheWileSpice It's quite easy to get used to dodging sideways or backwards during the heavy attack windup, and oftentimes I can afford to purposely take a hit at max toughness from a standard pox walker/dreg bruiser because my next heavy swing replenishes it back to 100% toughness anyways.
@@TheWileSpice Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for the content. Only just discovered your channel and I've been watching your Darktide stuff, it's informative and entertaining, especially when you're on Discord with the boys. Keep up what you're doing!
Hey man, nice video, but you have a few corrections: - Thrust does not add 20% Power in 3x 6.6% Stacks. It adds 60% power in 3x 20% stacks. It is THAT strong. That is why Crunch + Thrust doubles the dmg. - Bromentum on XIX is excellent as it allows the light combo, especially on Skullbreaker build, to greatly increase its hordeclear; Especially with vs. Infested added. You really don't need flak as your strikedowns demolish them. - Cstrike is fine of course, but since the Strikedowns are very single target oriented and are heavies (as well as special count as) your single target hit 25% toughness regen works well here. - In builds you pick UNSTOPPABLE upgrade to Heavy Hitter keystone; Currently this feat does absolutely nothing and is a waste of a point :)
Thank-you! Are you sure Thrust is that strong? It doesn't feel it. It feels like the 'Up to 20%' it mentions on the description. BM could be good, but imo because the horde clear is mainly in the light attacks the toughness regen starts lacking due to no talents providing any. & we need Thrust so I strongly believe Confident Strike is the better option because you get it via chaining light attacks. Can't really sustain fighting a horde + ranged things firing at you with the single target heavy attacks/special attack alone, because you won't kill things fast enough.
Yes I am sure. It is that strong ;) As for Cstrike, it's a comfort option. If your dance moves are good enough shovel lights have pretty hefty stagger to keep horde in check and not pinging your enough to need a Toughness regain every sweep. And if that happens, you can just toss an ocassional heavy to get that regen. It's not that Cstrike is a bad option, but I am in a school of maximum dmg output :D@@TheWileSpice
Well blame the text description in the game being bad, doesn't invalidate the video or my conclusions at the end of the day. & In the Auric board I simply find using other options still lacking. I'd have to see someone use it without Confident Strike in an Auric run and prove they don't take to much damage to believe its a better option. Especially with all the shooters & gunners the game enjoys spawning. Even if you were a able to dodge things like the matrix, the average player (which is the majority) is going to play better with confident strike.
Nah the blue shovel is the clear loser to me. The having stride down regular heavies is pointless when you have the folded heavy attack, so might as well take the sweeping heavies.
They're quicker at killing a lot of specialists & shotgunners than the Folded attack, so not entirely wasted. The weapon generally works better in different talent tree builds though, so hard to compare it to the others since you need different talents to maximise it.
As a 22 year soldier I know exactly what an Entrenching Tool can do to a real person, but the shovel is just a darn folding shovel. Is this an improved shovel or a skill…. I would assume it is a skill because there is no army that will ever make an entrenching tool out of precious metals.
It can quite literally 1 shot everything if built correctly. Yeah cant do it to monstrosity, unfortunately. Oh, and they dont have shit horde killing like the TH. Fs truly hates the TH!
One numerical error to correct: Thrust stacks 20% 3 times for a max of 60%.
Conclusions remain the same & I still recommend it as a must pick for all 3 variants.
40,000 years into the future with all these cool futuristic weapons and tech.
Main weapon of choice: Folding Shovel
Hahaha sometimes the simplest things are the most effective!
The trenches won't dig themselves.
Now pick up your shovel and keep digging
Look at what the other classes need to mimic a fraction of ogryn's power.
and a chunk of concrete
The most advanced weapon in the galaxy doesnt mean nothing if your enemy is smashing your head with a shovel... an oversized shovel.
Finally a shovel tier list that I needed. I'm not too sure how much the Ogyrn variants differ from the new Veteran shovels so a video on those would be nice.
I'll definitely be tackling the Vet Shovels, as long as Brunts Lottery has mercy upon me.
The vet shovel is so fun for me, and it's all because of the foldable heavy attack. It's absolutely devastating when charged and the animation/sound effects when the spike gets stuck in a mutants head and ripped out or Crusher frak Armor feeling like it got hit by a can opener. I just run the shovel version that has sweeping heavies, and then I have the foldable heavy for single target annihilation.
Ogryn with a perfect rolled MkV:
*gotta sweep sweep sweep*
I love when some Crushers spawns and my team is "oh no, Crushers!" but i smile and equip my shovel ready to open cans.
I equiped mine with Confident Strike to pump toughness killing small enemies, and Thrust to delete heavy hitters with secondary mode. Also it have 25% damage against carapace, but i prefer 10% damage against elites than 25% to flak armoured.
This is the exact type of youtube content I look for. Good analysis, showing your reasoning, honest recommendation, no fluff. Really enjoy your stuff, look forward to whenever you're able to continue, if it indeed becomes a series! I appreciate your work.
Thank you! I think it definitely will become a continued series for the channel.
I'm getting shafted with the Catachan sword rolls for my Zelot, every blessing I get has been to do with extra impact thanks for another deep dive into the weapons
You basically hit the nail on the head with this one, though I like them all equally so I would put them all at #1 but that's just me
To be fair its splitting hairs with the verdict I made, the one-shot slightly edged it. The Mk III is still a monster though & remains my favourite weapon for the Ogryn!
This mans knows his way around a shovel. Great breakdown!
I am indeed a Shovel connoisseur! Thank you!
A bit of info for ya as someone who has used them a lot, in 90% of situations, full bore + no respite are the blessings ya want on a shotgun. In addtion to this, it should be known that the dragons breath shell on the Kantreal shotgun is devastating vs unyielding, which includes bosses, if multiple dragonsbreath shells are fired one after another to apply as many burn stacks as possible. In addtion to this, the dragons breath shell will perice a bullwarks sheild and apply burn stacks, the bullwark dropping dead after a short time if 3 shells worth of stacks are applied and said shotgun has a unyeilding perk, 2 shells if you are playing zealot and have the purge the unclean talent node in addtion to the damage perk on the weapon itself.
I thank you for the heads-up. The shotguns are going to be a long one I think.
I like the MKV shovel, as its heavy attacks can be chained for horde clear, in proper ogryn behavior. and that allows all of ogryns heavy attack skills to apply constantly.
The special attack is used for elite and specials deleting, and with thrust i can oneshot crushers.
Its a proper all-rounder but doesn't overshadow purpose built weapons
Mk V is a beast! I initially felt it was the best instantly, but the Mk XIX has a different playstyle so it becomes hard to compare!
@@TheWileSpice it even comes pre latrine colored too!
- Neat, I have yet to use the shovel I was either using that big club cause the way enemies flop around from it is awesomely satisfying or was running slab shield for tanking.
I absolutely love how concise yet comprehensive information you give. The presentation is top notch!
Appreciate the kind words! Glad you're enjoying the series!
@@TheWileSpice It was super good. Loving the foldable now. One shotting a crusher is no joke..
These guides are great but you didn't ask the most important question when it comes to shovels... which one digs better? Such a critical gameplay feature you know!
(Love your guides! Really been super helpful when putting builds together! Can't wait for the shotgun one.)
Hahaha! The all important question!
Thank you for the kind words, hopefully coming before the end of the month, couple of other bits I'm working on first bit we shall see!
No-one is busier than an ogryn trying to bury a turd on an armor plate floor.
After playing with these shovels, definitely agree they all need thrust and carapace armor blessing. Flak is a good 2nd perk, but I will also contend that unyielding is a good choice as well. Not just for monstrosity (which is very helpful) but also the other enemy ogryn's. They are technically 1 shots with the alternative pick axe attack but (and depending on your other build and stats) usually only after nearly the maximum charge time. Unyielding damage will just take some of that guess work out of the equation when you're getting overwhelmed and make 1 shots a lot more consistent on enemy ogryns which is great.
Unyielding is an interesting choice! I can definitely see it being helpful for taking the edge off-of killing Bulwarks & Reapers.
Veteran Shovels, Autoguns, Headhunters, Recon Lasguns and Combat Axe.
Vet Shovels are on the cards as long as hadron shows me mercy! As are the rest.
Mans a kreiger at heart destroying the enemies of the imperium one swing at a time.
You know it. Have an undying love for the Ogryn Shovel.
So, I think you mention in your video that, with the MK V, you need 25% carapace, Crunch talent and Thrust IV to one shot crushers, but I have a 79% damage and first attack (with only 64% penetration) shovel and I can't seem to one shot crushers. I can one shot everything else, just not crushers. I do not have brutal momentum. However, if I follow a build similar to yours (a build I've been using with a power maul) with talents like bonebreaker's aura, I can.
Am I missing something? Is it possible that it's actually 25% carapace, crunch, thrust IV and, either brutal momentum IV or bonebreaker's aura (a minimum of 10% additional headshot/heavy damage from some other source)? I noticed both your builds incorporate bonebreaker's aura, either way.
edit: I just checked this with a Mk XIX (77% dmg, 80% first target, 76% penetration) with 25% carapace, crunch, thrust IV and it doesn't one shot crushers. For that matter, it does not one shot a reaper, either. With the build that includes bonebreaker's aura and goes down the left tree, both (Mk V, XIX) will one shot crushers. A build that doesn't have bonecrusher and goes down the middle path has not yielded one shots for me.
edit2: Ok, some more checking. With my Mk V and XIX, I can not one shot crushers with even 25% carapace, crunch, thrust IV, bonecrusher. It looks like I need heavy hitter as well (which means investing into the far left branch). Bonecrusher + heavy hitter would be a base of 15% more damage on a heavy hit which is the equivalent of brutal momentum weakspot damage.
a mk5 shovel with T4 thrust, T4 BM, T4 Carapace and T4 Elite damage will 1 tap crushers and maulers without crunch. Good luck on the hadron lottery #breakthelocks
Yeah I'd rather save my sanity and just choose Crunch since it coincides with max stacks of Thrust anyway.
I feel like Brutal Momentum is even more necessary for the Mk XIX compared to the other two, and it's because you have no heavy attacks for CC: Brutal Momentum letting you cleave clean through heads and dealing more damage make it way more reliable.
You do lose toughness regen, but admittedly I think the Mk XIX already pairs super well with the Kickback, and ogryn gun special attacks all register as heavies. So if I need some toughness, I start bashing trash mobs with the kickback, which regens toughness, and builds stacks of Heavy Hitter, which the Mk XIX struggles to build naturally.
Obviously a melee Kickback doesn't really do a lot of damage, but it knocks things around, keeps you alive, and then builds all your stacks for the Mk XIX, meaning you kinda get the best of both worlds: Mk XIX's excellent duelling ability and faster swing speed than the other shovels, and still decent enough CC. Plus Brutal Momentum still works on the folded shovel attack as well, and I'm surprised at how much use I get out of that. At least once a map, I tend to kill at least 2 ragers in one swing, and when you get patrols of Maulers or Crushers, you can genuinely pretty reliably kill 4 in one swing if you don't let them flank you.
Due to the Mk XIX not really benefitting from Heavy Hitter as much as the other two, I just opt to build the tree differently. Brutal Momentum is very good I agree, but I reckon the average player will struggle with the toughness deficit making Confident Strike more valuable overall, especially since it doesn't lack damage or CC without Brutal Momentum.
I've also found personally its more valuable to just use the folding attack over the standard heavy attacks most of the time which one shot everything without Heavy Hitter! So building down to Feel No Pain feels natural for the XIX, it also allows people to side-track to point blank barrage for some more build freedom if they wish as well.
@@TheWileSpice I suppose it would depend on what you're using the shovel for. If you're not going for a hardline Skullcrusher melee, get stuck in and stay in build, then 100% I'd go for the toughness regen.
But I *do* think it benefits a lot from Heavy Hitter as a duelling weapon, as it (combined with BM's headshot bonus damage) lets you hit a number of breakpoints for one-shotting enemies with the normal heavy attacks, which come out much quicker and are a lot safer to use, especially as the folded attack has a lot of recovery comparatively.
Heavy Hitter also lets you save some talent points (notably on Crunch), and kills a little bit faster. So really all just a matter of preference, but BM is what "unlocked" the weapon's potential for me, or at least how I play.
Thanks for the overview :) This helped a lot
No problem, hope you enjoy shovelling!
The folding shovels also have the added bonus that "Klappspaten" (folding shovel) is german slang for idiot, which fits the Ogryn perfectly.
Again, very useful and informative. SHows that FS made them with the right mindset.. all are good, depends on what you want/need.
Thank you! & yeah, really nice to see that there isn't 1 variant that overshadows the rest.
Great video thank you!
Glad you enjoyed!
OOOOOOOH Mate finaly someone who made Video about shovels in DT i apreciate that very much thank you !!! ( worth of sub :) )
Glad I could serve up what you've been waiting for! & welcome to the club! :)
Funnily enough, I started building my own Mk XIX as of today.
I'll keep these details in mind.
Tis a lovely weapon when its all set up!
For me, sorting all these chain weaspons would be most helpful, even a comparison between the types (Sword vs Axe vs Evisorator) and when I want to pick on over another.
Also yes please on Shotguns!
I still use the standard shovel for both Ogryn and Veteran, good all around anf have the special stun attack
They're still beasts. Ogryn Mk III is to versatile to be left to collect dust.
Another amazing video, i really appreciate the depth you dive into in these. Especially being a big boy main. Do you think you would be able to do a guide on the bell easter egg karnak boss fight, aka the extra hard mode im having alot of trouble beating it.
Thank you! Aye, Ogryn deserved some coverage especially since rather Shovels are my faves!
& Possibly! I'm not in depthly versed with the optimum tactics. I do know you need to focus the elites when they spawn and avoid the mines!!!
Just getting back into darktide. Nice vid ❤
Welcome back to the Hive! Thank you!
Disagree on Thust on the Mark19, Brutal momentum should be the baseline on it shovels, but mark 19 should use Confident strike as it is the best for light attacks non bleed(heavis) builds, you are only using heavis attacks on it for Crushers and Maulers anyways (yes you will need 2/3 hits to kill Crushers and Maulers without Thrust yes but I think that's ok and maximizing light atack sinergy and leaving the Crusher oneshots for the Mark 5 which is made for heavy attacks is the way to go).
Basically I like the mark19 Shovel as al alternative to Cleaver 3 light attack spamer, which works great on Point Blank style builds or just non heavy attacks builds.
Good breakdown.
Thats fair. Personally, after having played it without Thrust, the extra time it takes to kill something because you have to hit them 1 or 2 more times equates to a lot of DPS lost due to how slow the Folded heavy attack is for example & it already kills basic units fast enough with light attacks without brutal momentum.
& it's the heavy targets that are more threatening, so being able to one shot them all is just more valuable imo!
Well while the shovels are good, i havent been lucky enough to get a good good ond for Ogryn, but i have gotten a god tier bully club (first variant), it got thrust 4( so 20% more power on heavy attacks) and the brittleness add on, Then i gave it the 25% damage buff against carapace armor. So with the heavy melee build, it kills crushers in 2 hits if i get Max charge heavies and it is headshots
You made it to 8!
I did!!! Very very exciting
Congrats man@@TheWileSpice
Great summary, cheers!
Thank you, my pleasure!
new vs old heavy eviscerator pls! love the content!
As one of the newer variants I've got my eye on it!
Hey man, I hope you keep doing these and other content :)
It would be nice to see a video on the Psyker force weapons, they all seem very useful in their own way but I'm not sure they're directly comparable?
I've definitely been thinking about it. They do have unique roles so its hard to directly compare them you're right. But could be a good comparison regardless.
You can't hide from us Wile, you know the varlets want their hellbore build 😤😤😂
Hahaha, it's in the slow cooker... Cooking. It will be served up hopefully this month.
@@TheWileSpice Hell yeah, I made a support sniper build with the mk II and it definitely cooks, looking forward to what you make!
Side note: the weapon customization mod is an absolute game changer to use different sights instead of its base iron sights 😂
How do you have more Plasteel than Diamantie?
I have 56k more Diamantine, and I can't seem to use it.
I'm honestly not sure hahaha, I haven't been keeping track. Usually Plasteel that I'm running out of as well!
This is some solid content!
Why thank ya!
You should have mentioned that the folded shovels have this horrendous hangtime after being used. Another is that the Mk19 uniquely has higher damage on its first 2 light chains (by about 20%)
I find the hang time is only bad when you swing and miss, seems fine otherwise. & ill have to check again but I don't remember it getting a boost for the first fee attacks!
Could have just missed it.
Mark 19 shovel actually works pretty well on crushers in terms that if you EVER were to put it in a gun lugger build, the single-target damage of the shovel would put in some damn good work against the two most opposing enemies in the form of crushers and mutants. Oh? You thought I would say maulers? Try the Achylis stubber with flak damage increase and check out the heavyweapons build. thank me later.
For sure would make a great sidearm for the ol stubber setup! & yeah they can rip through a lot of enemies with ease hahaha.b
Has the stun lock of the MK3 shovel for monstrosties been fixed now? I made one for that reason and then I saw it got fixed.
As far as I'm aware it still works fine
Its so cursed that the shovels deal more dmg than the thunder hammer man
Agreed. Thunderhammers need some love desperately.
Brutal momentum does not work on light atacks ? why don't you schoose it on a MK 19 ?
It does but I see more benefit in Confident Strike enabling you as a front liner especially with how many shooters the game spawns, as it doesn't struggle for damage without Brutal Momentum.
Autoguns next pls ??
The whole lot are on the list to do so they will be covered eventually! They're a little down the priority at the moment though.
I just wish the vet shovels didnt outdo the thunderhammer with crushers
Yeah the Thunderhammers are really lacking right now. Have been for a little while too.
Only thing i really dislike about the Mrk3 shovel is the Horde combo. Light attacks just feel so bad on Ogryn because they get 0 buffs from any of the Ogryn talents and generate no temp health unless you are running something like confident strike
The light attack is pretty integral once you think about it though. When you only use heavy attacks on the Mk V for example, it's so slow it can invite unwanted attacks. Whereas when you use the light attack inbetween it more quickly staggers enemies from attacking you.
The light attack will also boost your damage if you go with the Hard Knocks talent.
@@TheWileSpice It's quite easy to get used to dodging sideways or backwards during the heavy attack windup, and oftentimes I can afford to purposely take a hit at max toughness from a standard pox walker/dreg bruiser because my next heavy swing replenishes it back to 100% toughness anyways.
How is your game so fluid and smooth?? I’m running a 3060Ti with 16Gb ram on 2560x1440 and it’s STRUGGLING with Darktide.
Might be due to my setup being upgraded to be more & more overkill overtime! I have a 4090 / 5950x / 32GB ram at the moment.
@@TheWileSpice Holy crap that’s beefy. Well that explains the fluidity. 😂
@@TheWileSpice Holy crap that’s beefy. Well that explains the fluidity. 😂
Hahaha yeah, growing in power slowly over time!
Let's go ripper guns! At some point 😁
Would definitely be an interesting bunch to compare!
Just wait when Ogryns gets 2 handed maces
Now that would be pretty glorious!
“Im gonna dig a hole”
your at 9k now shit be doing numbers
Slowly ticking up!
I just wish they wouldn't jump MK so randomly, what's wrong with MK I/II/III
Would be interesting to hear if there's a reason behind it or not.
@@TheWileSpice Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for the content. Only just discovered your channel and I've been watching your Darktide stuff, it's informative and entertaining, especially when you're on Discord with the boys. Keep up what you're doing!
Thanks a lot! Glad you're enjoying as well. Will hopefully keep improving overtime as well.
Hey man, nice video, but you have a few corrections:
- Thrust does not add 20% Power in 3x 6.6% Stacks. It adds 60% power in 3x 20% stacks. It is THAT strong. That is why Crunch + Thrust doubles the dmg.
- Bromentum on XIX is excellent as it allows the light combo, especially on Skullbreaker build, to greatly increase its hordeclear; Especially with vs. Infested added. You really don't need flak as your strikedowns demolish them.
- Cstrike is fine of course, but since the Strikedowns are very single target oriented and are heavies (as well as special count as) your single target hit 25% toughness regen works well here.
- In builds you pick UNSTOPPABLE upgrade to Heavy Hitter keystone; Currently this feat does absolutely nothing and is a waste of a point :)
Thank-you!
Are you sure Thrust is that strong? It doesn't feel it. It feels like the 'Up to 20%' it mentions on the description.
BM could be good, but imo because the horde clear is mainly in the light attacks the toughness regen starts lacking due to no talents providing any. & we need Thrust so I strongly believe Confident Strike is the better option because you get it via chaining light attacks. Can't really sustain fighting a horde + ranged things firing at you with the single target heavy attacks/special attack alone, because you won't kill things fast enough.
Yeah it's x2 damage with thrust and crunch.
Yes I am sure. It is that strong ;) As for Cstrike, it's a comfort option. If your dance moves are good enough shovel lights have pretty hefty stagger to keep horde in check and not pinging your enough to need a Toughness regain every sweep. And if that happens, you can just toss an ocassional heavy to get that regen. It's not that Cstrike is a bad option, but I am in a school of maximum dmg output :D@@TheWileSpice
Well blame the text description in the game being bad, doesn't invalidate the video or my conclusions at the end of the day.
& In the Auric board I simply find using other options still lacking. I'd have to see someone use it without Confident Strike in an Auric run and prove they don't take to much damage to believe its a better option. Especially with all the shooters & gunners the game enjoys spawning.
Even if you were a able to dodge things like the matrix, the average player (which is the majority) is going to play better with confident strike.
Nah the blue shovel is the clear loser to me. The having stride down regular heavies is pointless when you have the folded heavy attack, so might as well take the sweeping heavies.
They're quicker at killing a lot of specialists & shotgunners than the Folded attack, so not entirely wasted.
The weapon generally works better in different talent tree builds though, so hard to compare it to the others since you need different talents to maximise it.
As a 22 year soldier I know exactly what an Entrenching Tool can do to a real person, but the shovel is just a darn folding shovel.
Is this an improved shovel or a skill….
I would assume it is a skill because there is no army that will ever make an entrenching tool out of precious metals.
*Shuvvels* xD
For the algorithm
but it doesn't 1 shot everything. what's with the hyperbole and false info?
For all intents and purposes, it does. It not killing Monstrosities in 1 shot doesn't matter.
It can quite literally 1 shot everything if built correctly. Yeah cant do it to monstrosity, unfortunately. Oh, and they dont have shit horde killing like the TH. Fs truly hates the TH!
Isnt the Bully Club IIIb better than the shovel?