【Sonic Theory: Does Knuckles Suffer from Hallucinations?】
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- Sonic Theory #2 - S1:E2
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Is Knuckles Hallucinating all the events of Sonic Adventure 2? Join me in finding out the truth as I discuss what I researched from a blogger
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It's the lack of chuckles, I tell you.
maybe he isn't tougher than leather?
+KnucklesTheWizard lol
***** You think your better than Sonic but Sonic is way faster than you and he was a finished chracter in 2 smash bros games and not a unfinished mod. Now go guard your big Diamond, "Stage clear!"
+knuckles the echidna rolax "also just put my name on knuckles sonic can be used in smash bros not affect me at all and good luck reading this"
Yes
"Cheesy rap music"?
How dare you
Daramis Thompson the music was not cheezy that brother hunnid p got bars some good music. Its sega not like he could have added more lyrics they had to keep it short.
he had bars im not saying this from a sonic fan standpoint legit knuckles is a 8/10 rapper
IM FUCKIN SAYINNN I almost stopped watching
Did he, with all seriousness, say that the lost level of Sonic Adventure 2 was Knuckles snowboarding down a mountain of cocaine?.. And NOT mean it as a joke?
I don't think Knuckles is the one trapped in a drug induced realty here.
+Gabe Games This reply is better than the original comment.
The Blank King LMAO
The Blank King you really don't understand this video at all
Rich Blackman yeah the video is suppose to be for entertainment and not be taken seriously. I mean it’s kind of obvious
Don't write it off as "just a video". Fuck no. It's not LITERALLY cocaine. Not that you could tell the difference between snow and cocaine on a Dreamcast. It's implied that it's cocaine. It's like the people watching this video have no idea what they're watching or heard.
Cheesy Rap Music? How dare you spew such slander about Pumpkin Hill?
But think about it lol look at the stage select map Pumpkin Hill is literally right next to Wild Canyon so if could be a distorted version of Wild Canyon
thats the first thing i was going to say.
I'm from the "hood" and I rap.
and I love the music from sonic adventure 2. especially the knuckles raps.
they were well written and captured the energy of the level and the situation well.
so why hate on it??
the rapper even made a subtle reference to the valley of death. while youre in pumpkin valley with all the ghosts. and he did it in a way that was kid friendly. I thought that was clever.
I mean a lot of sonic music is cheesy. Not in a bad way though, I love the cheese
If all my life was just guarding a giant emerald for eternity and nothing else, I'd probably take drugs too.
Alex Fraser forreal, it must get REALLY lonely at Angel Island watching an emerald 24/7
Alex Fraser The story implies that the Master Emerald could just be a product of his warped mind and never have existed at all.
Alex Fraser what if licking master emerald is like getting the craziest effects of all drugs at once?
SHUT UP
TargetToad 9/9/99 In the comics he turned green permanently just from taking some Master Emerald energy so I'm definitely sure it'd have some crazy side effects to someone who hasn't been around it their entire lives
Disagree strongly with this theory, especially considering that Hunnid-P is actually singing as himself in these songs but putting himself in a third person perspective watching knuckles, whilst also in some cases simultaneously being knuckles in first person.
Wall of text incoming
Lets break it all down -
1. Kick the Rock
Ekidona (The japanese word for Echinda - not your logic leap), Thats what i'm representing.
- This is Hunnid-P blatantly stating that he is representing knuckles the Echinda.
Never seen a mic hog spit like a menace
- Now i'm not sure if you're familiar with competitive music situations (among rap, hip-hop and karaoke). But a Mic Hog, is precisely that. A person which hogs the microphone to prevent someone else from out doing them - with an insinuation that their own lyrical style is quite crap. I'm almost certain Hunnid-P is half-parodying the fact that he is the only voice in all of knuckles songs, and that the musical style is 'spitting' rhymes.
Alternatively the representation of Mic Hog actually refers to Sonic and how he constantly tends to have quick quips to taunt his opponents with, with Sonic literally being a Hedgehog.
The rest of this stanza is just generally about knuckles mission/purpose in wild canyon
The second and third Stanza are indeed a little deeper, but its over knuckles confliction over feelings towards rouge the bat.
Yeah Rogue, She's sexy and smooth
...
I'm feelin' her in mysterious ways
- Knuckles knows his primary purpose is to protect the master emerald (just listen to every other line) and this was his purpose. But he's conflicted with feeling, "Give up the emerald, or die, i don't love you". The point that "I don't love you" is said at all seems to be a justification to himself.
The song kick the rock, is a song of frustration at how he always has to protect something which prevents him from doing things he may rather be doing and prevents him expressing feelings which could get him hurt (love).
2. A Ghost's Pumpkin Soup
You know me, the fighting freak Knuckles
And we're at Pumpkin Hill, you ready
- Again song is immediately represented with Hunnid-P as both simultaneously from within first and third person knuckles.
More stuff about finding the emeralds and how this power allows him to find them (The radar in the games is the representation of holding a shard of the emerald which allows the holder to instinctively know roughly where the other emerald bits are)
This probably seems crazy, crazy, a graveyard theory
A ghost tried to approach me and got Leery
I ask him a question and he vanished in a second
I'm walking through valleys, cryin' pumpkins in the alley
Didn't seem happy, but they sure tried to get me
Had to back 'em up with the fist metal crack 'em
I'm hearin' someone sayin' you a chicken, don't be scared
It had to be the wind, 'cause nobody wasn't there
- The graveyard theory is generally a feeling of instinctive action/feeling against something without evidence. (Hence the "This probably seems crazy, CRAZY"). The fact the ghosts approached knuckles and then fled due to caution over Knuckles 'real physical nature' in a somewhat supernatural realm. Why were the ghosts cautious do you ask?
Well knuckles was walking through valleys with "crying pumpkins in the alley" that "didn't seem happy". Why were these pumpkins not happy? Knuckles "back(ed) them up with his fists (either threatening through the cracking of knuckles or physically)" which knuckles claims is justified because "They sure tried to get me"
Further the last two lines were taunts, and were actually directed by something.
Why use the words "Nobody WASN'T there"? If "nobody was there", nothing was there. The use of the words "Nobody was not there" is that something was there, it just had no physical body.
Paranoia or otherwise, if you want to believe everything is a metaphysical subconscious construction, it starts to justify almost everything because logic need not apply because in your words "Knuckles is trapped within his own mind" this is a dangerous slippery slope to base an argument on because it forgoes everything else in order to further its own narrative of knuckles creating everything.
Also consider the fact that later in the game knuckles is actually confronted by an ACTUAL GHOST (possibly the same one which taunted him - especially considering the games king boom boo likes to play - he runs after you, will quickly change direction to surprise you if you 'escape' him, and when the tables turn, he runs away from you and hides like a coward, or as some might say "a chicken").
"This is knuckles, I fear none"
3. Dive into the Mellow
I'm pretty sure this entire thing is either actual level description/observation OR based around the feeling that was present in Wild Canyon where knuckles wished his life was less complicated. (Hence how its a maze, 'hand' tracks keep pointing him to different doors) and this comes back to his confliction that part of him doesn't know what to do. But again the master emerald gives him purpose.
4. Deeper
Not sure if the "Eggman wants to steal our soul" is actually "Eggman wants to steal the stone, keep the emeralds, and build a throne" you know, because it rhymes but again i'm basing this on what i hear, and basing it around what is currently going on/has gone on (such as eggman actively stealing gem 'stones').
Hence why knuckles isn't going to let him get away with it.
The conversation with sonic is inherently less deep than you are giving undue credit for (but this is due to previous leaps which allowed you to make any such connection at all - you see why i called it a slippery slope).
The conversation with sonic is based upon the fact knuckles has found himself working side by side with sonic for once, after being repeatedly duped into fighting against sonic in the past (early games, SA1) or more simply the fact knuckles doesn't like sonics care-free attitude. This is justified within itself that the fact they don't see eye to eye doesn't mean they can't help each other out to get whats important to them.
This part of the song is based on what they're tasked with together.
5. Space Trip Steps
Well if you weren't convincing before, you really lost it here where you struggled to find any depth because the song didn't fit your narrative. This isn't a bad thing per se, but it significantly weakens your argument.
There really is very little interpretation to be given to this song.
The opening:
It's your main man Knuckles
And we're in Meteor Herd
You ready to go in space?
Help me get the Emeralds
- Is literally Hunnid-P once again illustrating the purpose of what you're doing in this level.
Took a shuttle to space and left from our home
At least we're with friends and I'm not all alone
Bad thing was that the Emeralds spilled
Gotta search space, man, time to get ill
What's this? Can't fly or climb
I just could float, hope I don't die
Meteors comin' my way, weavin', gotta go straight
Ain't a criminal, crime don't pay
Seen a crazy look, Eggman's face
- More story, depicting exactly what just happened.
The meteors are used as a metaphor to depict obstacles preventing knuckles from achieving his objectives. He has to weave to avoid the object, when he "gotta go straight" (Again it'd be easier for you to argue this song is about how knuckles is rather steadfast and despite having to change direction to avoid problems and obstacles in life, he keeps moving and doesn't let anything interrupt his groove.
"Seen a crazy look, Eggman's face" and "Ain't a criminal, crime don't pay" is getting at the fact that despite life is difficult, he's on a better path, and that despite you might sometimes feel crazy at how difficult it is to stay on your path. The ones that are really crazy are the ones on a bad path (like eggman).
Consider it thoroughly unconvincing.
Everything has depth if you press hard enough into it. That doesn't mean something is naturally deep.
This. Is not naturally deep.
Its got some subtleties, but its definitely not about an insane paranoid man creating his own reality because of his own confusion (when despite his occasional susceptibility to being tricked) knuckles is incredibly steadfast and assured of himself. "He ain't afraid of no one", he knows his purpose, and he knows he's not alone. Not really the traits of what you're trying to portray him as.
Not bought.
I completely have to agree.
Theory debunked!
Great rebuttal. 👍
***** Because you wanted to investigate if the theory actually held water.?
Great use of logic and of instead of just making your own premises you refuted most of his.
10/10
I Agree With You
Knuckles does hallucinate -- he always believes Eggman XD
Im not sure you know what hallucination is
XD
Nope, that's gullibility.
I doubt it
+Julio Flores That's Gullibility
Sonic said "Damn" in DEATH CHAMBER. Don't tell Shadow.
Diaconu Lucian I guess Sonic should *_live and learn_*
I was thinking the same thing. XD I never realised those were the lyrics for the stage.
Robotnik also cussed in the first Sonic comic (it is censored however)
“Ya Damn right knuckles”
Sonic said "damn" outside of Shadow the Hedgehog *gasp*
+TheTrueBlueSonicFan dayum son whered u find this
Miles Prower Sonic Adventure 2 in Japan
You damn right !! XDD
TheTrueBlueSonicFan sonic says shit in the Japanese dub of sonic x
besides, japan has been less strict about cursing when it comes to media for kids than the west
It was censored in the game which doesn't make sense considering that in a cutscene after Knuckles vs. Rouge fight in the background you hear a (almost) full version of Unknown from M. E. where one of the lyrics says "Wild and hungry ain't a *damn* thing funny!"
This is the most ridiculous fucking theory I've heard in my life
Haha I ain't even mad.. that username is hilarious! Dashie's awesome ;)
Enchilada same
> implying Dashie created the Enchilada meme and thinks dumb ass theories makes sence
no stop
Knuckles the Enchilada: OH NO.
Nuff said
If a sonic character was really hallucinating everything, don't you think it would be sonic?
I wouldn’t say so, as Sonic has nothing to really worry about, he’s just obnoxious. Even in mainstream games, knuckles is much more troubled than sonic, he has intense anger, and has panicked over his overprotected Emerald, while sonic just saves the day as usual. And knuckles was the only person who had the opportunity to be the suffering one, as all of Knuckles levels have songs meant to be accompanied with lyrics. Instrumental rock music in video games can’t tell a story so complex.
I thought about the same
I like the thought of the theory honestly I don’t think sonic would ever fit the hallucination theory he has it too easy knuckles is way more misunderstood and not well known about his past what he’s feeling what he experiences true that can be said about sonic as well but we pay sonic more times and any time we play with knuckles
Hmm, I guess so, but tbh there was a creepypasta that was very popular back in the day, and I'm pretty sure it was also a theory too, and it was eerily similar to the Knuckles Schizophrenia theory. It was about Rugrats, and the person they said had hallucinations was Angelica Pickles, and she's supposed to be the antagonist for most of the episodes.
Knuckles is depressed and confused and takes drugs....Guess he ended up taking steroids in Sonic Boom.
Professor TayTay 😭😂
Fimgers
"it is never implied knuckles is taking 1 type of drug" When is it ever implied he is taking any type of drugs!!!/
Vladimir Putin it's not implied. It's theory
+768supersonic yes. A bad one with no basis 🍯
Its just a ThEoRy A gAy ThEoRy
To Kick the Rock (name of the level) means to quit doing that crack.
I figured that’s where he gets the basis for that one off of
When he said mic-hog he could be meaning he hogs the mic
thats exactly what it meant.
+!SARON_DE_AWSOMO! what he means is "he's never seen a mic hog spit like a menace", which could mean he isnt fast, therefore, not sonic/a hedgehog
x_x
the rapper could be just giving a nod to himself, saying he is singing like a menace in the mic, lol
It could mean sonic hogs the mic
A.K.A the spotlight
These aren't "theories," they're fan fictions.
nascarfanatic2425 yes!!!! that is so true!!!!!
How? It's literally the music writer's own story. This was explained in the first couple minutes.
@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname yeah but without a repost of what he actually said on Myspace, the evidence is entirely circumstantial. I enjoyed the theory, just doubt it strongly.
Besides, from a creative standpoint, the music writer could be using Knuckles to convey his own personal demons/life story. It's not uncommon for a writer to use one of (or several of) his characters to convey a personal internal struggle. The best written stories come from within
@@retrogamehunter0005 no no no no no NOT TRUE AT ALL
Right
"DON'T YOU GET IT? I'M NOT MY ORIGINAL CHARACTER BLUCKLES! I'm the actual Knuckles! Trapped in the real world!"
Oh my god
Whoa!
"I'm still here."
Nah. Bluckles is dead. Its fists!
Does that mean knuckles created Mario? And created Smash Bros characters and everyone he crossover with
Smash isn't canon. The characters in Smash are just trophies (or ragdolls in the N64)
No becouse knukles isnt halusinateing
Yes
IMO, this theory is trying to hard. You know, not all games have a dark and mysterious meaning behind it.
Yeah, I think it they were just songs for a sonic game.
+superdude200ify THANK YOU!
+RappingMonkey23 pretty much a reread of this www.giantbomb.com/profile/lordxavierbritish/blog/why-sonic-adventure-2-has-the-best-story-in-gaming/87241/
THANK YOU!!! We need debunk theories
The fuck?
"We need debunk theories"
"IMO, this theory is trying to hard"
K, listen.
This isn't fucking _Game Theory_ this is a legit explanation to REAL lyrics pertaining to FAKE characters. This dude is not making this just to bank off it, this is actually a LEGIT explanation for why the lyrics are the way they are. If you ever read them or listened to it (not in the background, but as a main activity), you would start taking away some meaning from it. Why the fuck is it so important that "theories" get shut down? Honestly this "theory" is SO CLOSE to the actual meaning of Ohtani's story that it basically isn't a theory any more. ESPECIALLY when Ohtani said the last mission was a snow mountain where Knuckles snowboarded in the credits after falling from space but got CUT. This cements this "theory" (which is actually a story). It's not trying too hard. Go to Genius lyrics and go write shit like that, watch how fucking fast you get banned.
The idea of the cheesy Knuckles rap music being about Knuckles tripping on drugs is hilarious.
Did anyone see big behind the boxes
Main Man Flux im late but where
The meaning of the songs is knuckles realizing he has LEGOs on his shoes
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Can u make a Sonic Theory about Rouge
+Omnii Depends really, there's not much to go off her. She hasn't been in many games or had a big role in them since Heroes so idk, we don't do Archie comics, Sonic X etc. Only the main Sonic games canon meaning no Boom either.
You know sonic adventure is on the game cube right
So did that picture of Eggman haunt anyone else's dreams?
+GamerGuyd7Aces wait wait wait! dont we have the time mechanic website? can it revert that far back?
It's definitely food for thought... sans the drug issue (trust me you don't even need drugs to have a personal crisis and hide in your own mind) I can't dispute it considering Knuckle's precarious mindset and station in life. He's isolated, he's paranoid, he's young with a huge responsibility on his shoulders. His past is a big mystery to him and he envies Sonic's freedom (while viewing him as too flaky and irresponsible).
He's cunning on his home turf but once he's out of his comfort zone he's like a foreigner in a faraway land. Insecure and scared about the security of his Emerald and home. He lacks social interaction and never got the chance to make friends and trust others. He had to grow up FAST. All he knows is that he's supposed to guard this giant rock. He functions on instinct and duty even though he doesn't fully understand it.
Man I feel sorry for him now.
BUT if this is the case, he's pretty ripe for character development.
I just keep coming back to this theory idk why
Im kinda scared of this theory, im going to cry
woah that's heavy...So sonic adventure 2 was supposed to be the last game in the franchise that blew my mind away
+Robert Aguilar Yeah...wow.
Makes sense because that's when SEGA was doing bad and decided to stop making consoles but they decided to use other consoles for sonic games
+First2comment I'm glad they did but the fact that there is barely any remnant of the original story other than this theory, and that there is literally no concept art of the game on the net makes me even more curious 0-0
ikr
They were always going to continue it. This is a bullshit-ass theory which gets weak in the last couple of areas, and huge assumptions are baselessly made without reason. And it was built from a Myspace post? Yeah, right. Note, this isn't against Gamer. He didn't create the theory. It's an interesting theory but it's completely wrong. I'd also like to note that I have NEVER heard of an unused ice level for Knuckles, much less to play during the credits. It would've been for Sonic if anyone if it was playable during the credits.
Another piece of in Kick The Rock's lyrics is the mention of Rouge as "A double cross thief spy". How would Knuckles know she's a double-crosser and a spy given the player wouldn't find this out unless they played the Dark Story previously. Also, what's rather interesting about the idea of Knuckles's levels changing to match his descent into madness/recovery is how assets from his previous levels are used in future ones. Anyone else notice a lot of Pumpkin Hill assets in Aquatic Mine, for example?
Great theory! I definitely won't be able to look at SA2 the same way anymore.
Rouge is probably Knuckles' therapist. The same can be said for Dr Robotnik. Knuckles sees those people as his enemies when in reality they're trying to help him.
+MSOGameShow *Cough cough DEATH CHAMBER *Cough*
The Mad Mac they have therapists for prisoners with mental illnesses
hunnid p went to prison
half life 3 cumfirmed
ok I respect a good theory but do you really think this theory is true. I mean come on hallucinations.
LOL yes
Unless Ohtani says no, it's still real. Especially when the final knuckles level was meant to be an end credits thing, but got scrapped along with-possibly his song(s) for it. How is it debunked? Who debunked it? This comment section doesn't count.
falt how do you even know Ohtani even made a MySpace post about it? Why do people try to make sonic such a dark edgy deep series? Also plenty of lyrics were misinterpreted by the person making this theory. This theory has too many holes and misconceptions to be credible. But hey. Believe what you want to believe.
For anyone wondering about the source of the last pic (that red hand). It's by the artist known as 'umbra-rockchick' on DeviantArt and as 'swirlything' on a few other art sites. It's their take on what the echidnas' hands might look like under those gloves.
6:57 this image does not deserve 6 seconds of screentime
With that out of the way let's get to the part you've all been waiting for *ad plays* I DONT WANT BUFFALO CHICKEN SANDWICH
This is an interesting theory but it makes no sense. Yeah Knuckles level's in SA2 were a bit bizzare but Rouge's were almost equivilant to that, so does that mean she was going through the same thing too or the exact opposite of what is believed to Knuckle's hallucinations? Also the thing about Sonic and the others being figments of his "Imagination" makes no sense because gthe previous games before SA2 and games after SA2 debunk that instantly because 1: Sonic was created way before a character such as Knuckles was even in the concept phase. Knuckles was created 3 years after Sonic The Hedgehog the first game hense the series being called Sonic The Hedgehog is proof of that. 2:The only affiliation SA2 has with any other Sonic game is Adventure because well it's a sequel to that game and Heroes because Heroes takes place after SA2. So any other game clearly has nothing to do with SA2 already debunking this theory completely. 3: The game's story was rarely about Knuckles but more about Shadow in a sense. 4: After hearing this theory, people make think that this was SUPPOSED to be the very last Sonic game ever! But think about that for a sec... Why would such an inconic character, who people fell in love with since his debut and has touched the hearts of millions only have a 10 year run? Sega has had a history of having a lot of unknown Mascots for the company and then giving up on them whenever they feel that the mascot isn't doing them any good. The last known Mascot of Sega is Alex Kidd but they had 4 others before Alex Kidd who were completely forgotten. Sonic made a mark in people's interests and they wanted Sega to continue with such an energenic character so the term you used "The Player Is Forced To Castaway Sonic For Good" or something like that isn't something Sega would do to the one mascot that is making them millions. Knuckles may be insane and have a short temper but he isn't that crazy to the point where he questions his existance. Also this was only one game with a soundtrack like this that left a lot of confusion to why Knuckles would have such an mature atmospheric soundtrack like this but this was the last time he did because different music directors are in every sonic game. Other than that this was a really well throught out and explained theory and I would like to see more.
Sonic 3 came in 1993 so 2 years actually
You forgot this is not canon to Sonic Team's work, it is it's own thing.
Knuckles actually does question his existence. Why he exists only to protect the Master Emerald.
Wasn't Knuckles in the 1993 Sonic 3 prototype
The world is real because it is solid, his friends are real because he fist bumps them and high-fives them, and he knows who he is because in the character diary he says "I'm Knuckles the Echidna." He does not suffer.
Lots of people suffering chronic Dementia/Schizophrenia/hallucinations believe the world around them is "solid" and their made up characters are "real".
Wow. I just want to hug him and be his friend now. Err, if he actually existed in the real world.
Maybe.....😞
How is knuckles hallucinating? Like in the sonic and Mario Olympic Games, so is knuckles hallucinating that too? Are all the characters fake? Like the mii's?
I suffer from minor hallucinations like I see light from nowhere in a dark empty room
Here I come, rougher than the rest of them
The best of them, tougher than leather
You can call me Knuckles, unlike Sonic I don't chuckle
I'd rather flex my muscles
I'm hard as nails, it ain't hard to tell
I break 'em down whether they're solid or frail
Unlike the rest I'm independent since my first breath
First test, feel the right, than the worst's left
Born on an island in the heavens
The blood of my ancestors flows inside me
My duty is to save the flower
From evil deterioration
Yeah
I will be the one to set your heart free, true
Cleanse yourself of them evil spirits that's in you
Streaking lights, loud sounds, and instincts
Are the elements that keep me going
I am fighting my own mission
Nothing's gonna stand in my way
No, no
I will be the one to set your heart free, true
Cleanse yourself of them evil spirits that's in you
Won't be frightened, I'll stand up to all the pain and turmoil
Just believe in myself, won't rely on others
Get this power to wipe out the havoc and anarchy
This is my planet, gonna fight for my destiny
Here I come, rougher than the rest of them
The best of them, tougher than leather
You can call me Knuckles, unlike Sonic I don't chuckle
I'd rather flex my muscles
I'm hard as nails, it ain't hard to tell
I break 'em down whether they're solid or frail
Unlike the rest I'm independent since my first breath
First test, feel the right, than the worst's left
I have no such things as weak spots
Don't approve of him but gotta trust him
This alliance has a purpose
This partnership is only temporary
Yeah
I will be the one to set your heart free, true
Cleanse yourself of evil spirits that got in you
Won't be frightened, I'll stand up to all the pain and turmoil
Just believe in myself, won't rely on others
Freedom will be waiting when serenity is restored
This is my planet, I shall not surrender
Won't be frightened, I'll stand up to all the pain and turmoil
Just believe in myself, won't rely on others
Get this power to wipe out the havoc and anarchy
This is my planet, gonna fight
Won't be frightened, I'll stand up to all the pain and turmoil
Just believe in myself, won't rely on others
Freedom will be waiting when serenity is restored
This is my planet, I shall not surrender
I shall not surrender
No
The new porcupine on the block with the buff chest
Out in the wilderness with the ruggedness
Knock, knock, it's Knuckles, the bloat thrower
Independent flower, Magical Emerald holder
I'll give you the coldest shoulder
My spikes go through boulders, that's why I stay a loner
I was born by myself, I don't need a posse
I get it on by myself, adversaries get shelved
Right on!
That's why, in Snapcube's fandub, the Master Emerald is WEEEEEEEED! 😂
drum roll please sonic is the main character so why would he be a personality created by knuckles
Exactly
+jordan 12 thx for getting my point
tbh i find myself rewatching this video all of the time
I return to this video every year
this is somewhat of a ritual for me as well i just rewatch every year XD im glad im not the only one. this takes cringe and passion, and just blends it together perfectly.
FAX!!!
One question, if Knuckles smokes/snores crack then shouldn't he be happy all the time?
+Fivez The effects
+Fivez The effects
+Fivez The effects
+Fivez The effects
+Fivez The effects
Knuckles built a wall around themself, and we helped him tear it down by helping them find themself
20:23 "TRUST ME AND WE WILL ESCAPE FROM THE CITY"
Knuckles wasn't even revealed until Sonic 3
Another reason why I credit Sonic the Hedgehog 3 is because it introduced Knuckles the Underrated Echidna!!!!!
Amy=Erotomania Knuckles=Schizopherenia or drug addiction Shadow=False Memory Syndrome Do more Sonic character diagnostics I love these.
+Jmario232 Thanks man! And no worries.. the next one I'm planning to do is on Dr. Eggman
Sonic = No chuckles
Sega lost all its magic what happen😕😕😕
Kick the Rock is more about Sexual Frustration towards Rouge
Pumpkin Hill is about being tough in the face of fear
Dive into the Mellow is constant reassurance
Death Chamber, The only song that can support the Hallucinations
Space Trip Steps, You can translate drugs and the struggle from this one
The whole theory = Fail, tried way too hard to insert points that weren't there, especially where eggman steals soul, and the last point not only has no evidence, but it also complete bullshit, also game devs on myspace.
7 years and im still going back to this XD its a piece of internet art and must be preserved. it doesnt get ANY better then this. 2022 on the verge of 2023. 6 years ago i found this masterpiece of cringe and innocence. and i will never stop watching this every couple of years. it just cant age, it doesnt apply to normal standards of cringe. this is next level. gamerguy if you see this. please know, and this is not a joke, you have brought me 6 years of happyness. you do you.
Fun fact: "Ekidona" is how "Echidna" is pronounced it Japanese, so it was most likely just a transliteration error, not something to be looked too far into
I DONT USUALLY BELIEVE THIS STUFF BUT I LOVE THESE VIDEOS TBH
@garfield garfield its fun
garfield garfield WHAT YOU DON’T LIKE CAPS?
why does sonic have to be so dark cant it be what it seems
I'm pretty sure it said Eggman wants to steal the stones (as in the Chaos Emeralds) not our soul.
You know theories are fun to think about but people think waaaaaay to deeply like its a fictional video game character just enjoy the game
That's what I've been doing all my life. Just enjoying the game and not thinking too much about it. Honestly, I dislike theorists because they think far too much about things that don't need to be speculated on. They just do it for the views and the money.
Shadow Wolf just for entertainment purposes it’s not suppose to be taken seriously. It’s pretty obvious
Brad, please stop copy-pasting. You can say what you want but it's not going to be true the more times you say it.
Shadow, I seriously doubt this video is purely for "the views and the money", this guy seems like he genuinely enjoys sonic theories.
Majora (OP), why is this such a crime? Why are you so against it? Did you seriously click this video to say such a close minded shut down? What is the point of this comment? Let people enjoy their stories. It's people like you who don't seek deeper meanings in things, and dis-encourage those that seek them, that are dull and easily manipulated.
He practically read my mind. His next character diagnoses is going to be Robotnik.
+Jmario232 Lol yup!
+Jmario232 Dr. Eggbotnikman
I'm supposed to be liking this video but this ad keeps kicking my ass
Is it TheAd27?
Morbidpie or is it thisonead27
One doesn't always have to be on drugs to have hallucinations. Could Knuckles be Schizophrenic?
Perhaps the entire Sonic universe is just Knuckles as a severely schizophrenic human?
+misspinkpunkykat Yeah, no one knows for sure, I wish Ohtani could confirm this, since the lyrics he wrote suggests it
+misspinkpunkykat I don't think even Chris-Chan is that, well, you know...
+misspinkpunkykat He could be under hallucination from his paranoia created from OCD over the emerald.
+BlackMetalJacket [X] Isn't the "emerald" just a metaphor here for Knuck's sanity?
+FannyPackMan100 No one ever said Chris-Chan was Schizophrenic. He's autistic. There's a difference. Schizophrenia is more severe and can cause someone to have hallucinations. Chris-Chan just is an overgrown child that hasn't been taught there there's a time and a place for pretending.
Since this theory is only covering SA2 then how do you explain the other games he was in and if sonic isn't real then how do you explain sonic 1 and sonic 2.
0:46 “Nevertheless, I was never a big fan of these games.”
*Proceeds to fail harder than a dyslexic amputee at the easiest level in the game*
Me: I wonder why...
Sonic anime anyone?
Just me
Ok
the voices in his head tell him not to chuckle
Honestly, I think that from even a conceptual level, this theory is ridiculous. The songs in Knuckles' stages are not meant to inform us of Knuckles' mental state, but rather to set the mood and describe what Knuckles in doing in each of these places. Not to mention that many of the places Knuckles visits have nearby areas that are visited by other characters, most notably Rouge, who is also searching for the Master Emerald pieces, so these places do exist. Most importantly, nothing about Knuckles' actions or behavior give any indication that he is on drugs or hallucinating at all.
I would've at least humored the thought of this theory being the case, but if the Master Emerald is also a part of Knuckles' imagination, the theory just starts loosing its substance (or at least these songs being about Knuckles). At first, I imagined the theory revolving around Knuckles' loneliness of guarding the Master Emerald and actually never meeting a real Sonic. But if there is no Master Emerald, there would be no reason for Knuckles to fall into loneliness and hallucinations. Or drugs for that matter.
Knuckles isn't dead right?
Bruh, this theroy had so much detail, it makes me question just like Knuckles. So much thought, I can't believe it. This was awesome!
wait, so is knuckles theoretically hallucinating the events of SA@B or all of his experiences with sonic and friends?
Wait a MINUTE! So that means that Sonic is a representation of Knuckles' past-self.
Had too much to do, rarley got a break! Had to run from problems (Runs from Amy, Sonic games aren't far apart, Sonic has had many adventures!)
And that means that SHADOW is the ALTERNATE version of Sonic, as if Sonic wasn't knuckles only friend (His past self, HIMself!) Knuckles knows it isn't him though, and since it's all Hallucinations, that means that knuckles switches between who he is! Which makes me wonder, Is he Tails? Since Sonic was Knuckles' best and only friend! When Eggman actually possibly KILLS him, he fights back! He tries to avenge his friend! Then he switches to himself where he finds out that Sonic is alive! Possibly what his mind did to keep him from coming back INTO reality! If his only friend DIED he wouldn't want to be in that world, also explains how Sonic learned Chaos Control!
One flaw sonic was introduced before knuckles and knuckles was introduced after sonic not with sonic which means that the characters could be representation of the creators personalities
This explains why the timeline is confusing.
I can’t get over sonic saying “damn”
This was interesting. When you shared this with me on Twitter, I wasn't sure what to expect exactly, but certainly nothing this dark, twisted, and complex. Frankly, if it weren't for the fact that Tomoya Ohtani wrote a blog post on the subject, I wouldn't have believed any of what was said here. It seems a little too detached (purposefully, it seems) from what actually happens in the game.
As to whether that makes this "the best video game story ever told" as that one comment you mentioned suggested, I'm going to have to disagree. Ohtani's hidden narrative is buried too deep and requires a lot of specific knowledge from "the auteur" himself to be truly understood. A good story shouldn't be that difficult to follow, nor leave so much to interpretation that the story could literally he or mean anything. And there's the fact that SA2's plot is quite goofy and clearly not meant to be taken seriously (besides parts of the Last Story segment, I guess).
No matter what, I'll never look at the Knuckles rap songs from this game the same way ever again. I'll have to refer people to this video when I review SA2 in a couple months. Thanks for sharing, mister.
Wow nice! thanks alot man. My friend here worked on this one thanks for commenting means alot! -Husky
+ExoParadigmGamer Hey Exo! Thanks a lot man for checking out the video. My friend HuskyZ was the one that introduced me to your channel, I love the Remake/Rebreak vids you did on the Classic Sonic games especially. Anyway, I always overlooked the Knuckles' rap songs and didn't think they had much meaning until I did a little more research a couple months ago lol. And yeah, I look forward to seeing your review on Sonic Adventure 2 :)
Why does modern sonic never preform the spindash anymore
I think protecting the master emerald was the reason why he suffer from hallucinations..
LOL!!! Pumpkin Hill at the beginning!! Most iconic Knuckles song!!
this theory is a hallucination
Novirtual Legends you don't even know what a hallucination is.
This is a really intense and well structured theory. I'm thoroughly impressed and awestruck.
Bravo, man. With this, you have earned my subscription.
I second that.
This is actually really bad.
I don’t remember the first time I saw this video, but it’s tradition for me to rewatch it every year and a half
Great Video man, (Thumbs up)
this is so creepy
17:00 cue the Undertale memes...
+you tried noooo
I think this is so ridiculous that it has to be a joke
A bit of a stretch, but I really enjoyed listening and watching it! Keep it going! :D
while interesting i can't say i like this theory. it's too depressing for my taste. still i appreciate the work you must have put into this. well done
Tfw you over analyze a kids game because the fan base is so edgy they can't accept the fact that it's actually a simple good versus evil story
Cynical isnt every game for kids or played by kids?
Buriki Daioh Yeah but some games more than others, Sonic is supposed to be a simple and fun platformer with a simple plot, but people always try to make the games plot sound way darker than it actually is just to validate why they’re playing it, it’s the same with MLP or something like that
Segs has been doing this sense the beggining and it fail big time lol
Aw man this is dark
I did enjoy the video! Cool theory about Knuckles in Sonic Adventure 2!
+Dante Law Thanks Dante! Yeah this one was super complicated lol, but enjoyable to make
+GamerGuyd7Aces You're welcome. I'm sure it was :)
if sega didn't want it than its a fan fiction 😐
Thatwerid Guyhugh technically it's neither. It's the songwriter's theory. It's not fanfic, but it isn't true either
Cheesy music...pumpkin hill...gtfo of here...😁
Pumpkin hill go hard
6 years ....my god XD and i still find this funny. this is a master piece work of art XD
An utterly fascinating dissertation, I must say. I never looked at the world of Sonic in such a fashion.
I love that cheesy rap music.
death chamber the best one
+FannyPackMan100 Now I can say I love it for the lyrical genius, rather than the bad delivery.
dogemaster1 Same Here!
***** Same Here!
I'm curious do people actually believe in this crap?
I don't by the way this is a fanfiction not a theory
rea1ricky. It is sad you don't know what a theory is.
I think I saw that Myspace page you talk about. Your theory is really pulling on my deja vu.
this was and interesting and well thought out theory i personally loved it and the overall story it had. great work!
Can't resest. Sonic is Knuckles on SPEED! I am so sorry.
I got scared...
garfield garfield Honestly, no cap, I don’t even remember 😂😂😂
garfield garfield yeahhhh, exactly😂😂😂
He likes rap he sits alone for at least 24 hours a day he gets light my friend.
this is my all time favourite theory!
I mean no offense by asking this, but is this satire?
Theory videos tend to be like this.
talk about reading in to stuff way to far and also completely unfounded
Talk about not knowing the difference between to and too.
Called a theory for a reason , dumb fucking buzz kill.
Something worth pointing out is that Knuckles is often the only one to go to any of his stages. That may sound obvious but what I mean is that his locations are exclusive to him. Sonic, Tails and Shadow all go to city levels of some kind (for Tails and Shadow, they're the same) with Mission Street, Radical Highway and City Escape. Everyone goes to Prison Island except Knuckles. Sonic has Metal Harbour and Green Forest, Tails has Prison Lane, Eggman has Iron Gate, Rouge has Security Hall and Shadow has White Jungle. Knuckles does go to the Pyramids and that is where he fights King Boom Boo, but what's weird is that he doesn't mention it to anyone and it sorta comes out of nowhere. He's also been the only one to see ghosts elsewhere in the game and the only other person to see them is Sonic at Pyramid Cave. But Knuckles sees them everywhere and much bigger. He does show up at the Space Colony ARK, but so does everyone else, that's the only place where everyone goes. But with all of Knuckles' stages, he's the only one to go there. He's the only one to go to Aquatic Mine, Wild Canyon and Pumpkin Hill. Yeah, I know Shadow has Sky Rail but it doesn't feel the same and there are no ghosts.
I learned a lot about the music from this, but one big problem - the lyrics were written by Hunnid-P. Not Otani. They're in English