Yours and Aaron Cowan’s reviews are the only two I care about regarding this pistol. Neither of you shill for companies, even if you’ve partnered with them in the past or present.
@@tommymorgan9293 personally I like the insane round counts he gets on guns that most people will never come close to. That and his opinions are based based off of a ton of experience so I've begun to value what he says. I just found him recently and that's just my stupid opinion lol
@@tommymorgan9293 He doesn’t apologize for or hide issues. He has his test parameters and a piece of kit either passes or fails on its own merits. Cowan and Yam do more to expose and present the shortcomings of guns and gear than other guntube channels. Hilton has partnered with Springfield in the past and Cowan is on FN’s payroll, but if something doesn’t sit right with them, they’ll say it. I like that.
Cannot wait for your shooting review of these guns as all the reviews from people who purchased their guns had many issues that the people given the guns from SA did not.
Just some feedback, you are one of a very few legit “gun-tubers” who takes an objective approach - “only performance counts” - and it shows to those of us who can discriminate it from the subjective and/or biased “reviews” by others. It took me a while to get to here, but now that I’m here, I’m staying.
Finally a great review! I own several Staccatos and bought the prodigy 4.25. Mine has qc issues and is going back to Springfield. In my opinion it's closer to my collection of rock island double stack 1911s.
You are my "go to" for the 1911/2011 platform. Just purchased a Staccato P and your knowledge and insruction on this platform has been invaluable to me.
I must recommend Hiltons videos once a week to other gun enthusiasts. He's one of the guys who are not full of crap. Also his parts are on all of my 1911s.
Yes, I own several staccato and they are way higher quality then my prodigy. I'm my opinion the prodigy is closer to quality of rock island hc 1911 for about 50% more.
I found your channel after watching a video on the Prodigy by Military Arms Channel where he mentions your name in his review. This is the first video of yours I have watched and I subscribed to your channel after the first minute. Very informative and factual with good reasoning to back your opinions. For a novice like me who has only been shooting, recreationally, for about 5 years now this is super informative. I now have a new channel to watch and a lot of catching up to do. I will also recommend you to everyone I know who is into shooting or guns. Thanks for a great review.
Fantastic job! Provided these guns can be reliable, which may take a little time based on initial reports, I'm in. To your question about "how to test," I think most people interested in this gun just want to see it run (or how to make it run by adjusting extractor tension etc). I've owned and been very happy with an SA TRP in .45. If this is the same quality but 2011 format and reliable, I don't "need" something fancier--though I don't doubt or critique the benefits of more expensive 1911/2011 platforms.
I have run my 4,25 no issues other than I hated the factory trigger. I believe it is a good entry point gun. I myself is a tinker and have already done quite a bit of work. Planning on replacing all the mim parts. To me accuracy and reliability was key and in mine it does both of those things real well. Great honest review.
Thank you Hilton. As always, a great technical review. I’m a show me guy, so your reviews are much better to me than the reviews showing the Springfields being shot and then guessing on parts quality and trigger pull strength. Since you are a 1911ist, it shows your insight and educated opinion about these new guns. Much respect!
Wow I learned so much. I'm new to the 1911 platform and I'm binging your videos. You are so knowledgable and your make the info able to palate well. Thank you for your service. God Bless !
Appreciate your detailed overview on this pistol. Now behind an evil Iron Curtain, I didn't think that I'd be able to handle one of these, let alone purchase one, for a long time if ever. However a FFL in Utah didn't get the memo about our state's newly implemented mag limits and erroneously transferred in a 5" for a local customer to our shop. So to my pleasant surprise a week ago I got the chance to fondle a Prodigy and even dry-fire it before sending it back. This sample of one broke at around 4 lbs with a bit of creep and very little grit, which I admit was surprising considering my past experiences with Springfield 1911 triggers. I've now seen a number of YT videos on the gun and impressions seem as if they're all over the board regarding this pistol. The overall impression I get from this makes it sound like a bad 1911 cliché; break-in may definitely be required, but it seems like one of those "YMMV" scenarios. So in this light I'm interested to see how your production level pair work in your capable and experienced hands. 👍
Hands down, one of the VERY BEST gun channels on TH-cam!!👍 And I have to thank you...your armorer's block is the best one I've ever seen. THE BEST! The hole, cutout and angle that aids in fitting the thumb safety is pure genius. I'm currently building a Commander, and the decision to buy your block is one of the best decisions I've ever made. Great channel and great job!!👍🇺🇸
I was hoping you'd be covering the Prodigy, Hilton. As I've come to expect, it was a fair and well-rounded overview. I'll be curious to see the follow-ups, and what, if any, mods you decide to make to it. I have close to 400 rounds through my Prodigy 4.25" at this point - cheap production FMJs, re-manufactured FMJs, some Federal JHPs and a box of flat nose. The only thing it didn't like was some Fiocchi 147gr that I had, it ate everything else with zero problems. Production quality is comparable to my TRP, and so far I'm very pleased.
Just found your channel, and subscribed. Considering purchasing first 1911, very informative, no frills and to the point. Not ready for the upper echelon models. But I am a tinkerer and may be interested in your Springfield 1911 Garrison modification build , may even join to get the info. Thanks!
Hello Hilton, I am a fan of your work, and I love the vids. I was checking out your website, and saw your info on setting up sights. When I got my first 1911 I didnt know the front site was set at the six o'clock position, and believe me, I couldn't hit anything, when I knew my technique, it was correct and the gun was fine, I thought I just sucked with 1911's too. ( other than revolvers, I wasn't really good yet with pistols, or really handguns in general)I started on rifles, and, with no ego, was a natural. So when I couldn't hit a wall with a pistol, I was frustrated. This 1911, I bought from my Dad, who inherited it from his. New in the box, never been fired, (at least by my grandfather)but did have a trigger job, with a commander loop hammer new internals for a great 4,lbs trigger, (my grandfather had alot of guns, and had a pistlsmith, that was a close friend of his, who either got my grandpa's guns for him, he knew what he liked, orif not my grandfather always sent them to him before he'd use them, in other words very trusted. Anyway I knew the pistol was doing its job (a stainless Springfield GI) and I had a few good instructors help me , just never with the 1911 with me. So I couldn't figure it out. Realized one day, one page in my owners manual was missing. The one with the explanation of where the sights were set to, With a diagram. I rarely miss now. It was such a dramatic difference that I now have all my pistol sights set like that. When I use 'em it is so natural and intuitive that I can't ever go back. This is all tactical shooting too. Until reading your info, I didn't even know that bullseye is where it came from. I find it works so well that, again all of my pistols are now set up that way. I guess my question is, would you be against setting them at the 6, if a customer wanted it?
I’m very interested to see how yours runs. I’ve seen some videos from influencers who got guns straight from Springfield and they ran fine. I’ve seen some videos from folks who bought them from a gun store and had lots of failures to feed. I would be interested in a cost breakdown comparing buying a Prodigy and replacing all the MIM parts, versus buying a gun that doesn’t have MIM parts. I suspect that if you planned to replace all the MIM parts, that buying a Prodigy would not be cost effective and that you would have been better off biting the bullet to begin with.
Great video! I have the 4.25” and love it so far. Before putting a single round through it and after watching all the reviews on it I polished the disconnector and some internals. Doing this made for a smoother slide action and dropped the trigger pull from 6ish pounds to 5lbs 2 oz. I tuned the mag lips to the Atlas Gun Works specs from his video and got some sticky followers to float free in the tubes. I also dropped rounds in the chamber to make sure they fully seated, which they all did. I put 153 flawless rounds through it today. Polishing the disconnector upper part that interfaces with the slide really got rid of any hang ups that other people seem to have. Thanks again for the video and I can’t wait for more Prodigy videos.
👌 another well done video ! Big appreciation for explaining difference between Prodigy and Staccato. I'm hoping this will end stupid discussions how SA made a great 2011 style pistol without ripping in our wallets. 🤨 I'm glad the low priced 2011 market is filled up. This is really great platform and I wish SA will continue Prodigy line with shorter barrel. People just have to realize the quality of this product is worth as much as they pay for it.
I have a Staccato C2 , a Wilson Combat 4.25" Experior, and now interested in the Prodigy. To me, if a Prodigy is a reliable gun, like a duty reliable, then I would interested in purchasing one, but from all the reviews in the youtube, looks like the 4.25" Prodigy is more reliable than the 5" one. FTE or FTF are the most common symptoms in this newly released product. If you could have a video about the Prodigy improvement on reliability, like the recoil spring, fitting, etc..., that will be very interesting to me.
@10-8 Performance, It may make a great vid topic on what would it take to make a Prodigy comparable to a Staccato fit and function. Thanks for the great vids.
I purchased a couple of the 20 round Prodigy magazines to see if they were usable in my Staccatos. I was able to mix all components freely between the Staccato and Springfield magazines including followers, springs and including base plates, provided I kept the retainer plate with the proper base plate.
Thank you for your frank straight forward and very informative review. I love Springfield’s striker fired pistols but I’m looking to cross over into the 1911 market but I want quality machining and I think the Staccato ticks all the boxes for me. I just have to save a longer for it but I do believe that all the I’ll happier for it. You’ve earned my subscription.
Really like the way you stayed away from comparing this to a Staccato, definitely two different price points. Also spot on for me, as I wanted to make sure the double stack guns were going to be something I wanted to explore more. So the price point was what appealed to me too get my feet wet. I did experience 5 failures to feed in first range session of 300 rounds. The next 150 rounds were way worse. I cleaned and lubed the gun more then normal and the next 150 only one failure to feed. I kept at it, and now I'm around 800 plus rounds in with no malfunctions in the last 200 rounds. Only other thing is I wish they would have kept their dragonfly plate, and let me order the rmr plate for free. Kinda like Walther does with the pdp. So I had to purchase the plate I needed extra. I owned a dragonfly when they first came out, not to bad or not to great, the deal breaker for me was shutting off after 18 hours. No carry or home defense situation where I would want that. If you pick one of these up, be prepared for malfunctions until you get several hundred rounds down range. There is lots to like about this gun, especially for the price point. Does it compare to my Springfield professional model, of course not. But the price difference is 2 grand. Overall I'm very happy with this gun. The feel and flatness of shooting it are awesome. Not to mention the accuracy is outstanding, and when the red dots installed it will even be better. My eyes are not as good as they used to be, I would never buy another gun that was not optic ready.
I recently bought a 1911-DS and it does have a great grip and shoots a good grouping. Because this is a new model gun with injection metal molding parts, I have been getting mis-feeds and jamming. The safety float is too high causing it to hit the upper rail fins when shooting. My local gunsmith took a look at it and said that this is not right and to call Springfield for a warranty replacement because one of the bullets jammed in a way that the firing pin did not strike the primer far enough to make it fire and he could not eject the round from the chamber. Not good when you have to disassemble a gun that has a live round that did not fire jammed into it.
I would LOVE to see you put out a similar in-depth look at some of Bul Armory's offerings. I'm wanting to get into a 2011 and I find them to be a very attractive option for a number of reasons, and not just because they're slightly cheaper than a Staccato.
@@ACGBLR Rock Island does not make a 2011. A fat 1911 does not make a 2011. It has to be a slide, frame rail, and separate grip to be a 2011 and Rock Island doesn’t make one.
This is exactly what I expected from springfield on these. I always gut the mim and fit new internals. My garrison has about 1k rounds and hasn't had a hitch. If you know what you're doing, have fun with one of these.
Hilton, could your 5" reverse plug and GI length guide rod be modified to the length of the plug and guide rod for Colt Commanders (4.25") and have them function properly? (Done of course by a competent 1911 gunsmith).
Very informative vid...quick question...I have 100 rounds through my Prodigy and I've manually cycled it about 1000 times at home to smoothen it out and get the coating off the rails. It's SOOOO much slicker and no more issues with FTF. I did notice that the frame to slide fit naturally has more play after the break in but how much is too much? I'm getting up to .003 difference between frame and slide sizes after break the in. I did not measure prior. The barrel lock up is still good. Thanks for your help.
The Prodigy release got my attention, but I wound up buying a 4" Wilson SFX 9, for EDC. Having tuned many 2011 mags, for comp guns, the Wilson seems to have some significant upgrades over a traditional 1911/2011 platform, namely the external extractor, and more reliable mags. The SFX has a much better 1911 grip shape, compared to the EDC9 it replaces. I may have to pick up another...
I address this in the video and I also did those mods to the same holster some years ago. No. I want anyone needing a duty holster to be able to source a stock one that'd conform to department policy where applicable.
@@108Performance Sorrry if I missed that aspect in how you articulated. I caught the modification policy point. I respect your opinion highly so I trust its for good reasons you steer away from the RDR option. Thanks for the content.
Hilton great information on the Prodigy Thank You!! I just bought a 5” Prodigy and was wondering , you mentioned you went with a 19lb Wolff recoil spring, do you have the part # for that spring?
Really enjoy your reviews. Thanks for what you do. Recently purchased a Prodigy 4.25" and being a guy that likes to tinker, I have replaced the grip module (Cheely) and MIM parts with EGW ignition kit and added an Atlas trigger. Needless to say, I'm bumping up against the Staccato price point but it was a lot of fun getting there. Trigger action and pull weight are significantly improved to about 3lbs. Also, adding the billet machined parts gives me a lot more confidence in the reliability and longevity of the pistol. It would be fun and educational to watch you upgrade your Prodigy in the same manner. The challenge could be: "Can I improve a Prodigy to make it closely comparable to a Staccato". If you don't upgrade the grip module, the cost to achieve that goal is reasonable. But I will say, the Cheely grip is very nice. I have a Staccato C2 and with the improvements I've made in the Prodigy, while it's not and never will be a Staccato......... its in the neighborhood. Regarding fit and function.
@@108Performance Thanks for sharing the other video. I did watch it and picked up a few more nuggets to try like working on the disconnector rail. I'm curious, why did you replace your slide stop? I assume your 10-8 design works better. I agree that the Prodigy OEM slide stop needs work. I've never experienced a slide stop that was more of a pain to reinstall. I was going to try modifying the OEM part. Can you provide info that would encourage me to buy your slide stop vs. modifying the original part? Thanks.
@@edwardlynch7874 It's machined from bar stock vs the factory MIM, better paddle shape and pretty much every other aspect of the part. Full details on the part here: www.10-8performance.com/slide-stop-gen-2/
@@108Performance Thanks for answering all of my questions. Just a few more before I purchase a new slide stop. Does your slide stop have a groove to facilitate ease of installation? The description for your slide states: "Interior of lobe angled for easy installation - no more scratches on your slide". I've noticed some of the Cabot and Wilson Combat Slide Stops have actual grooves to accomplish ease of installation and avoid slide scratching. I'm thinking this would solve the issue I'm having with installing the Prodigy OEM Slide Stop. Does your slide stop afford equivalent ease of installation? Does it have a groove? Thanks.
I have to say that this was one review I was waiting on from you. I’m waiting for the shooting review however the one gun I wish you can review is the Bul Armory SAS II Tac.
Excellent video. Thank you for the added details regarding the model comparisons. As for burning questions, have you function checked the Staccato Gen 3 mags in the Springfield Prodigy?
Do you have an ambi- safety with equal size paddles that will fit on the Prodigy 4.25? For some reason SA put an ambi safety where to right hand side is smaller. Such a small thing. Can't understand why they would do that.
Great review. Can’t wait to see if you have issues with them at the range. My 4.5 has been reliable so far. What do you think of the build quality of the Bul SAS ii Tac Light 4.25? I’ve got one of those and it was the same price as my Prodigy but it is much smoother than the Prodigy. I am enjoying shooting the Prodigy though.
Curious to see if you experience some malfunctions I have seen others experience. Waiting for those to get in at store. I will get one to see. I have had the pleasure of having approximately 6 STI/ STACCATO come through my ownership. I only had one with feeding issues.
I wanted to get one as a gunsmith tinker toy. You answered my question. Think I may order one so I can mess with it and not have to buy/wreck a more expensive 2011.
Yours and Aaron Cowan’s reviews are the only two I care about regarding this pistol. Neither of you shill for companies, even if you’ve partnered with them in the past or present.
Mike - Thanks for your continuing support!
What does Cowan do thats so special? Stand in front of a target and shoot? Stupid drop tests from 6 feet?
@@tommymorgan9293 personally I like the insane round counts he gets on guns that most people will never come close to. That and his opinions are based based off of a ton of experience so I've begun to value what he says. I just found him recently and that's just my stupid opinion lol
@@tommymorgan9293 He doesn’t apologize for or hide issues. He has his test parameters and a piece of kit either passes or fails on its own merits. Cowan and Yam do more to expose and present the shortcomings of guns and gear than other guntube channels.
Hilton has partnered with Springfield in the past and Cowan is on FN’s payroll, but if something doesn’t sit right with them, they’ll say it.
I like that.
@@MikeRehfussCowan raved over the 509 edge that had a 8lb trigger pull and is 1300.00
When Hilton speaks on 1911, people should listen.
Finally, the only review that I trust! Especially with 1911s and 2011s!
I said this exact same thing🤣👊🏻
💯 Facts
I agree with you!! Finally!
All truth. No BS. No filler. No influence from companies. Love 10-8 parts and this channel.
Most in depth and honest review on Prodigy yet…. And I say that after watching 20+ reviews that are out there.
SA did a great job advertising for Staccato with this release.
Been waiting for this one.
Me too hahaha I was so excited when I saw the notification
Cannot wait for your shooting review of these guns as all the reviews from people who purchased their guns had many issues that the people given the guns from SA did not.
Just some feedback, you are one of a very few legit “gun-tubers” who takes an objective approach - “only performance counts” - and it shows to those of us who can discriminate it from the subjective and/or biased “reviews” by others. It took me a while to get to here, but now that I’m here, I’m staying.
Finally a great review! I own several Staccatos and bought the prodigy 4.25. Mine has qc issues and is going back to Springfield. In my opinion it's closer to my collection of rock island double stack 1911s.
Oof! That’s not a good comparison to hear.
@@soonerfrac4611 all my rock island double stacks run good, and only cost $800 each.
I picked up a 10mm RIA DSat a local gun show but didn’t have the cash on me at the time.
You are my "go to" for the 1911/2011 platform. Just purchased a Staccato P and your knowledge and insruction on this platform has been invaluable to me.
Hilton is one of the only gun/gear reviewers I pay attention to.
I must recommend Hiltons videos once a week to other gun enthusiasts. He's one of the guys who are not full of crap. Also his parts are on all of my 1911s.
Thus is the video I’ve been waiting for because your opinion will be honest
Thanks for a very thorough and honest review. Staccato seems the way to go. Buy once cry once. Thanks again Hilton!
Yes, I own several staccato and they are way higher quality then my prodigy. I'm my opinion the prodigy is closer to quality of rock island hc 1911 for about 50% more.
@@k04s4 that's what I was thinking about this thing as I go through reviews across you tube.
I found your channel after watching a video on the Prodigy by Military Arms Channel where he mentions your name in his review. This is the first video of yours I have watched and I subscribed to your channel after the first minute. Very informative and factual with good reasoning to back your opinions. For a novice like me who has only been shooting, recreationally, for about 5 years now this is super informative. I now have a new channel to watch and a lot of catching up to do. I will also recommend you to everyone I know who is into shooting or guns. Thanks for a great review.
Fantastic job! Provided these guns can be reliable, which may take a little time based on initial reports, I'm in. To your question about "how to test," I think most people interested in this gun just want to see it run (or how to make it run by adjusting extractor tension etc). I've owned and been very happy with an SA TRP in .45. If this is the same quality but 2011 format and reliable, I don't "need" something fancier--though I don't doubt or critique the benefits of more expensive 1911/2011 platforms.
Best review I've seen yet for the Prodigy!
I have run my 4,25 no issues other than I hated the factory trigger. I believe it is a good entry point gun. I myself is a tinker and have already done quite a bit of work. Planning on replacing all the mim parts. To me accuracy and reliability was key and in mine it does both of those things real well. Great honest review.
Always respect and listen to what you have to say Hilton. 👍thanks buddy
Thanks for the video. I’d like to see a follow up video of the 4.25 to see what parts you would keep, modify, or replace.
Yes!!! I've been waiting for your review on this pistol.
I've been waiting for this review. Waiting for range time now
Thank you Hilton. As always, a great technical review. I’m a show me guy, so your reviews are much better to me than the reviews showing the Springfields being shot and then guessing on parts quality and trigger pull strength. Since you are a 1911ist, it shows your insight and educated opinion about these new guns. Much respect!
Wow I learned so much. I'm new to the 1911 platform and I'm binging your videos. You are so knowledgable and your make the info able to palate well. Thank you for your service. God Bless !
Appreciate your detailed overview on this pistol. Now behind an evil Iron Curtain, I didn't think that I'd be able to handle one of these, let alone purchase one, for a long time if ever. However a FFL in Utah didn't get the memo about our state's newly implemented mag limits and erroneously transferred in a 5" for a local customer to our shop. So to my pleasant surprise a week ago I got the chance to fondle a Prodigy and even dry-fire it before sending it back. This sample of one broke at around 4 lbs with a bit of creep and very little grit, which I admit was surprising considering my past experiences with Springfield 1911 triggers. I've now seen a number of YT videos on the gun and impressions seem as if they're all over the board regarding this pistol. The overall impression I get from this makes it sound like a bad 1911 cliché; break-in may definitely be required, but it seems like one of those "YMMV" scenarios. So in this light I'm interested to see how your production level pair work in your capable and experienced hands. 👍
Excellent Review! I appreciate the technical data that you provide in your review. Thank you!
A wealth of knowledge. Thank you 👏
Thanks for the video. Really appreciate that you cover the facts, as always.
As expected, I learned more from this video than all the shilltube videos combined.
New to the channel…great rundown!
Hands down, one of the VERY BEST gun channels on TH-cam!!👍 And I have to thank you...your armorer's block is the best one I've ever seen. THE BEST! The hole, cutout and angle that aids in fitting the thumb safety is pure genius. I'm currently building a Commander, and the decision to buy your block is one of the best decisions I've ever made. Great channel and great job!!👍🇺🇸
I was hoping you'd be covering the Prodigy, Hilton. As I've come to expect, it was a fair and well-rounded overview. I'll be curious to see the follow-ups, and what, if any, mods you decide to make to it.
I have close to 400 rounds through my Prodigy 4.25" at this point - cheap production FMJs, re-manufactured FMJs, some Federal JHPs and a box of flat nose. The only thing it didn't like was some Fiocchi 147gr that I had, it ate everything else with zero problems. Production quality is comparable to my TRP, and so far I'm very pleased.
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Did you change any parts out?
@@TheDolph96 None so far. It's completely stock. The only thing I might do to it is switch the recoil spring for a WC #13.
@@bsmithhammer ok, thank you brother.
Wow. What a fantastic review! Thank you!
Love your frank and objective commentary!
This was the review I was waiting for. Can’t wait to see what you do to them.
Awesome breakdown and analysis
Your initial review is what I was really waiting for. Keep the awesome content coming!
Just found your channel, and subscribed. Considering purchasing first 1911, very informative, no frills and to the point. Not ready for the upper echelon models. But I am a tinkerer and may be interested in your Springfield 1911 Garrison modification build , may even join to get the info. Thanks!
I would love to see you take on of these and make it duty ready
Great information. Thank you for what you do.
Love the tech info you provided sir. Ty. Learned so much
Thanks for the honest review.
Hello Hilton, I am a fan of your work, and I love the vids. I was checking out your website, and saw your info on setting up sights.
When I got my first 1911 I didnt know the front site was set at the six o'clock position, and believe me, I couldn't hit anything, when I knew my technique, it was correct and the gun was fine, I thought I just sucked with 1911's too. ( other than revolvers, I wasn't really good yet with pistols, or really handguns in general)I started on rifles, and, with no ego, was a natural. So when I couldn't hit a wall with a pistol, I was frustrated.
This 1911, I bought from my Dad, who inherited it from his. New in the box, never been fired, (at least by my grandfather)but did have a trigger job, with a commander loop hammer new internals for a great 4,lbs trigger, (my grandfather had alot of guns, and had a pistlsmith, that was a close friend of his, who either got my grandpa's guns for him, he knew what he liked, orif not my grandfather always sent them to him before he'd use them, in other words very trusted. Anyway I knew the pistol was doing its job (a stainless Springfield GI) and I had a few good instructors help me , just never with the 1911 with me. So I couldn't figure it out. Realized one day, one page in my owners manual was missing. The one with the explanation of where the sights were set to, With a diagram.
I rarely miss now. It was such a dramatic difference that I now have all my pistol sights set like that. When I use 'em it is so natural and intuitive that I can't ever go back.
This is all tactical shooting too. Until reading your info, I didn't even know that bullseye is where it came from. I find it works so well that, again all of my pistols are now set up that way.
I guess my question is, would you be against setting them at the 6, if a customer wanted it?
Very informative video good job !! As far as guns go you get what you pay for !!
I have your spring plug on my TRP Operator full rail. Very nice product.
Thank you. Great review Sir.
Great vid. Such precise information.
I’m very interested to see how yours runs. I’ve seen some videos from influencers who got guns straight from Springfield and they ran fine. I’ve seen some videos from folks who bought them from a gun store and had lots of failures to feed.
I would be interested in a cost breakdown comparing buying a Prodigy and replacing all the MIM parts, versus buying a gun that doesn’t have MIM parts. I suspect that if you planned to replace all the MIM parts, that buying a Prodigy would not be cost effective and that you would have been better off biting the bullet to begin with.
Excellent breakdown vid
Save up and buy a staccato. You'll be happy you did.
👏👏👏
100%.
Ehh maybe but like he said if you like building a gun up and tinkering it’s a a solid starting place
Why?
I had a prodigy and the only thing great about it was it got me into staccatos. It worked, but definitely didn’t feel like a $1500 firearm.
Great video! I have the 4.25” and love it so far. Before putting a single round through it and after watching all the reviews on it I polished the disconnector and some internals. Doing this made for a smoother slide action and dropped the trigger pull from 6ish pounds to 5lbs 2 oz. I tuned the mag lips to the Atlas Gun Works specs from his video and got some sticky followers to float free in the tubes. I also dropped rounds in the chamber to make sure they fully seated, which they all did. I put 153 flawless rounds through it today. Polishing the disconnector upper part that interfaces with the slide really got rid of any hang ups that other people seem to have. Thanks again for the video and I can’t wait for more Prodigy videos.
Perfect review, thank you Sir.
👌 another well done video ! Big appreciation for explaining difference between Prodigy and Staccato. I'm hoping this will end stupid discussions how SA made a great 2011 style pistol without ripping in our wallets. 🤨 I'm glad the low priced 2011 market is filled up. This is really great platform and I wish SA will continue Prodigy line with shorter barrel. People just have to realize the quality of this product is worth as much as they pay for it.
I have a Staccato C2 , a Wilson Combat 4.25" Experior, and now interested in the Prodigy. To me, if a Prodigy is a reliable gun, like a duty reliable, then I would interested in purchasing one, but from all the reviews in the youtube, looks like the 4.25" Prodigy is more reliable than the 5" one. FTE or FTF are the most common symptoms in this newly released product.
If you could have a video about the Prodigy improvement on reliability, like the recoil spring, fitting, etc..., that will be very interesting to me.
@10-8 Performance, It may make a great vid topic on what would it take to make a Prodigy comparable to a Staccato fit and function. Thanks for the great vids.
Excellent technical write up.
Great information.
Great review
I purchased a couple of the 20 round Prodigy magazines to see if they were usable in my Staccatos. I was able to mix all components freely between the Staccato and Springfield magazines including followers, springs and including base plates, provided I kept the retainer plate with the proper base plate.
Great video, thx!
Thanks for the insight into this firearm.
Thank you for sharing your research
Thank you for your frank straight forward and very informative review. I love Springfield’s striker fired pistols but I’m looking to cross over into the 1911 market but I want quality machining and I think the Staccato ticks all the boxes for me. I just have to save a longer for it but I do believe that all the I’ll happier for it. You’ve earned my subscription.
Really like the way you stayed away from comparing this to a Staccato, definitely two different price points. Also spot on for me, as I wanted to make sure the double stack guns were going to be something I wanted to explore more. So the price point was what appealed to me too get my feet wet. I did experience 5 failures to feed in first range session of 300 rounds. The next 150 rounds were way worse. I cleaned and lubed the gun more then normal and the next 150 only one failure to feed. I kept at it, and now I'm around 800 plus rounds in with no malfunctions in the last 200 rounds. Only other thing is I wish they would have kept their dragonfly plate, and let me order the rmr plate for free. Kinda like Walther does with the pdp. So I had to purchase the plate I needed extra. I owned a dragonfly when they first came out, not to bad or not to great, the deal breaker for me was shutting off after 18 hours. No carry or home defense situation where I would want that. If you pick one of these up, be prepared for malfunctions until you get several hundred rounds down range.
There is lots to like about this gun, especially for the price point. Does it compare to my Springfield professional model, of course not. But the price difference is 2 grand. Overall I'm very happy with this gun. The feel and flatness of shooting it are awesome. Not to mention the accuracy is outstanding, and when the red dots installed it will even be better. My eyes are not as good as they used to be, I would never buy another gun that was not optic ready.
I recently bought a 1911-DS and it does have a great grip and shoots a good grouping. Because this is a new model gun with injection metal molding parts, I have been getting mis-feeds and jamming. The safety float is too high causing it to hit the upper rail fins when shooting. My local gunsmith took a look at it and said that this is not right and to call Springfield for a warranty replacement because one of the bullets jammed in a way that the firing pin did not strike the primer far enough to make it fire and he could not eject the round from the chamber. Not good when you have to disassemble a gun that has a live round that did not fire jammed into it.
I would LOVE to see you put out a similar in-depth look at some of Bul Armory's offerings. I'm wanting to get into a 2011 and I find them to be a very attractive option for a number of reasons, and not just because they're slightly cheaper than a Staccato.
Hilton, how does the prodigy compare with the bul armory line of pistols in the same price range?
Great breakdown. Basically, you get what you pay for. So if you can afford a Staccato, buy one. If you can’t, then buy a Springfield
Exactly!
The rock island have better quality than this prodigy.
If you want a quality 2011, save up and get a staccato. If not, Rock island.
@@ACGBLR Rock Island does not make a 2011. A fat 1911 does not make a 2011. It has to be a slide, frame rail, and separate grip to be a 2011 and Rock Island doesn’t make one.
@@danielhenderson8316 don’t care what you think.
I call any double stack 1911 a 2011.
This is exactly what I expected from springfield on these. I always gut the mim and fit new internals. My garrison has about 1k rounds and hasn't had a hitch. If you know what you're doing, have fun with one of these.
Love watching your videos. Great breakdown!
Hilton, could your 5" reverse plug and GI length guide rod be modified to the length of the plug and guide rod for Colt Commanders (4.25") and have them function properly? (Done of course by a competent 1911 gunsmith).
Will it take dwason precision captured guiderod. 🤔
No, both parts need to shorten in the middle vs at one end only
@@dwayneh9061 Dawson's website now says it will. Trp and prodigy toolless
Very informative vid...quick question...I have 100 rounds through my Prodigy and I've manually cycled it about 1000 times at home to smoothen it out and get the coating off the rails. It's SOOOO much slicker and no more issues with FTF. I did notice that the frame to slide fit naturally has more play after the break in but how much is too much? I'm getting up to .003 difference between frame and slide sizes after break the in. I did not measure prior. The barrel lock up is still good. Thanks for your help.
love to see you review a Bul Armory
Spot on. Great info.
Nice video
What is it about the Prodigy that it won’t fit in a T-Series holster? Thanks for the review.
I absolutely understand comparing this to a Staccato but how about similar Buls that are similarly priced?
Hello, Can you advise me on a better trigger for the 4.25 pistol?
The Prodigy release got my attention, but I wound up buying a 4" Wilson SFX 9, for EDC. Having tuned many 2011 mags, for comp guns, the Wilson seems to have some significant upgrades over a traditional 1911/2011 platform, namely the external extractor, and more reliable mags. The SFX has a much better 1911 grip shape, compared to the EDC9 it replaces. I may have to pick up another...
RDR Gear does some black magic to run 5 inch 2011s using an M&P 5 inch holster as a base platform. Worth a look if you haven't already.
I address this in the video and I also did those mods to the same holster some years ago. No. I want anyone needing a duty holster to be able to source a stock one that'd conform to department policy where applicable.
@@108Performance Sorrry if I missed that aspect in how you articulated. I caught the modification policy point. I respect your opinion highly so I trust its for good reasons you steer away from the RDR option. Thanks for the content.
Hilton great information on the Prodigy Thank You!! I just bought a 5” Prodigy and was wondering , you mentioned you went with a 19lb Wolff recoil spring, do you have the part # for that spring?
it's on the Wolff site, 19lb main
Really enjoy your reviews. Thanks for what you do. Recently purchased a Prodigy 4.25" and being a guy that likes to tinker, I have replaced the grip module (Cheely) and MIM parts with EGW ignition kit and added an Atlas trigger. Needless to say, I'm bumping up against the Staccato price point but it was a lot of fun getting there. Trigger action and pull weight are significantly improved to about 3lbs. Also, adding the billet machined parts gives me a lot more confidence in the reliability and longevity of the pistol. It would be fun and educational to watch you upgrade your Prodigy in the same manner. The challenge could be: "Can I improve a Prodigy to make it closely comparable to a Staccato". If you don't upgrade the grip module, the cost to achieve that goal is reasonable. But I will say, the Cheely grip is very nice. I have a Staccato C2 and with the improvements I've made in the Prodigy, while it's not and never will be a Staccato......... its in the neighborhood. Regarding fit and function.
Thanks for watching! You might also like the following video where I upgraded the 5" gun: th-cam.com/video/s7d2mNIW3bE/w-d-xo.html
@@108Performance Thanks for sharing the other video. I did watch it and picked up a few more nuggets to try like working on the disconnector rail. I'm curious, why did you replace your slide stop? I assume your 10-8 design works better. I agree that the Prodigy OEM slide stop needs work. I've never experienced a slide stop that was more of a pain to reinstall. I was going to try modifying the OEM part. Can you provide info that would encourage me to buy your slide stop vs. modifying the original part? Thanks.
@@108Performance What is different about your 108 Performance slide stop that makes it a better option for the Prodigy?
@@edwardlynch7874 It's machined from bar stock vs the factory MIM, better paddle shape and pretty much every other aspect of the part. Full details on the part here: www.10-8performance.com/slide-stop-gen-2/
@@108Performance Thanks for answering all of my questions. Just a few more before I purchase a new slide stop. Does your slide stop have a groove to facilitate ease of installation? The description for your slide states: "Interior of lobe angled for easy installation - no more scratches on your slide".
I've noticed some of the Cabot and Wilson Combat Slide Stops have actual grooves to accomplish ease of installation and avoid slide scratching. I'm thinking this would solve the issue I'm having with installing the Prodigy OEM Slide Stop. Does your slide stop afford equivalent ease of installation? Does it have a groove? Thanks.
Great video 👍👍
I have to say that this was one review I was waiting on from you. I’m waiting for the shooting review however the one gun I wish you can review is the Bul Armory SAS II Tac.
Based on what you said I ordered your guid rod and spring plug yesterday. Have you tested it yet?
Excellent video. Thank you for the added details regarding the model comparisons. As for burning questions, have you function checked the Staccato Gen 3 mags in the Springfield Prodigy?
Try the USDUTY GEAR holster US60 for the XC 5'
Will the Dawson precision’s tool-less guide rod work with the prodigy ?
Thank you for this.
Do you think the Dawson precision 5” bull barrel tool-less guide rod would work for the prodigy??
Any plans to go in depth on or thoughts on BUL Armory guns?
Do you have an ambi- safety with equal size paddles that will fit on the Prodigy 4.25? For some reason SA put an ambi safety where to right hand side is smaller. Such a small thing. Can't understand why they would do that.
Would like to know if you can pick up just a grip mod. That they are using.
instead of comparing it to a Staccato how about a comparison with the Bul Armory SAS II 4.25 inch?
Great review. Can’t wait to see if you have issues with them at the range. My 4.5 has been reliable so far. What do you think of the build quality of the Bul SAS ii Tac Light 4.25? I’ve got one of those and it was the same price as my Prodigy but it is much smoother than the Prodigy. I am enjoying shooting the Prodigy though.
Did you have any issues with your 2 samples???
Is the Cheely Trigger Bow and the prodigy the same size? I bought one for a Staccato but its too short
Curious to see if you experience some malfunctions I have seen others experience. Waiting for those to get in at store. I will get one to see. I have had the pleasure of having approximately 6 STI/ STACCATO come through my ownership. I only had one with feeding issues.
I wanted to get one as a gunsmith tinker toy.
You answered my question. Think I may order one so I can mess with it and not have to buy/wreck a more expensive 2011.