@@mufasa2944 Listen I'm desperate for subs. In quarantine, this is the only way I can quantify my self worth. Well, that and when people hit the notification bell.
Paraphrased questions + timestamps for the impatient viewer: 0:23 - “Was beating DIG (3-0) a nice feeling? 0:50 - “So why don’t you feel good about this recent win (vs DIG)?” 1:53 - “What did go wrong in the GGS series?” 2:53 - “What lead to that (seemingly poorer performance vs GGS) and did you tilt?” 5:07 - “It seems like there was a lot of pre-playoff TSM hype. Do you think that you guys have dropped off as compared to the form you were in at the end of the regular season?” 6:27 - ”Given who you could potentially face in next round (TL or GGS), is there a certain opponent you’d rather face off with and how do you think it will go?” 7:45 - “Sneaky wants to know about the starting items (DShield and DBlade) on Cait and the potential of cull. What are your thoughts?” 9:04 - “Is there anything you want to say to any of the fans, etc.?”
I do respect tf outta his take on facing any team and not caring. And that he knows Bjerg hard carrying. At least he admits when he plays bad and has solid takes on competitive drive.
The dude has done a fine job of cultivating a toxic fan base that strokes his ego while bashing everyone else. For all his talent he also is a poison that slowly erodes every team he is on.
bjerg was dead so he was looking at DL's screen to see the fight vs morde, cam was delayed so it looked weird but other pros have said they do it all the time for morde/nocturne ults
Justin Luke yeah I understand that. It’s funny though because he watched the fight where DL picked a fight with Morde and lost. And it shows Bjergsen’s serious face. 😂
Timerooy go watch IWillDominates most recent video and fast forward to 13:48. The birth of a meme. Sorry Travis for plugging another youtubers video here.
Hey Travis do you ever look at Doublelift once in a while and think about the day you picked him up vs. where he is today? Something like a proud parent I suppose
Samuel Tunnicliffe no Travis took doublelift in when he was homeless after getting kicked out by his parents for playing too much league before LCS ever started
dL is definition of a loser. Leave a 9th place team, they put your sub in your place and finish next split 1st place. Go to one of top teams and get ruined 3-0 in your first play off match. Counter pick every game, get caught every game, lose lane every game. Let TSM just buy Rekkles, he obviously has problems in FNC.
From flame master 3000 as a kid to a balanced level headed pro. Peter's a good dude and we've had front row seats to watching him mature. It makes me happy
he's literally winning his lane all the time by large CS numbers, doesn't die, shoutcalls, is a team fight monster, literally the best mid laner and they're still loosing.
But no commemoration for BB is a bit dead imo, BB has been performing really well when put in a position to dictate the pace of the game. He hasn't had a single game I'd say was bad (didn't watch g2 of GGs).
that white is so blinding, but enough about Travis's teeth. Nice interview, I'm gladf that the TSM guys aren't taking the 3-0 against DIG as a great thing and it's just a first stepping stone
I made a comment in one of the games where I said since DL and Treatz became a duo, their bot lane are always behind, whereas when DL played with Bio, they were ahead or winning most of the time. So there is definitely a chemistry issue wth DL and Treatz. I think Treatz is better with macro, but Bio enhances and protects his adc better. I think TSM would be better off with using Bio and DL at the playoffs rather than DL and Treatz.
The nervousness situation is very much understandable. Treatz is a rookie, BB and Spica are both very young players. Of course, everyone has to step up when needed, but it's actually a bit more of coaching staff's responsibility alongside experienced veterans like DL and Bjergsen. They carry a heavier burden on their shoulders as they should. The problems are fixable and it's not doomed, yet.
@Joey S the more "hopeful" play would've been to back and at least try to defend with his team. Running directly into a Mordekaiser is not a "hopeful" play, it's a int play.
He did buy. You can see him buy boots before the tp and sell a potion. He didn't forget to buy a b.f. sword. What likely happened is he was approaching barely 1300 gold. He probably did the math in his head and thought he could sell potion to make up the difference in gold to buy it. Unfortunately he started the tp too early and was still a few single gold short when the tp finished so he couldn't afford it. You can see on his cam he says "oh my God" when it happens. Granted it's still a really bad mistake but it can happen when you want to win lane and tunnel focus on rushing back.
@@Tahngarth it could also be the shop glitch where it doesn't register you selling items and giving proper gold back to buy something else. I think it was Fogged's stream where he tried to sell a potion about 5 times before it finally went through.
As much as I want to flame dlift for that gg game i have to put some of the blame on treats. Its hard to farm when your support has no presence in lane.
he knows how bad he played, and based on his mentality he wont let that happen again, the guy has a winners mentality, and that means rejecting the possibility of recurring mistakes. he'll ramp up by next match. on treatz however, being new to the highest level, you never know what will happen next.
I wouldn't blame that on treatz I would blame that on the trash drafting. They literally drafted him 2 losing matchups in a row and I can't even remember what the 3rd matchup was.
@@TTVayanoworld too bad yellow stay went into supernova when he joined TSM and became a red dwarf :P but YS is a legend of the game, he just gave no more fucks after joining TSM lol. but i do think Treatz bring more to a team than olleh could.
@@nickroeder7512 tsm had an engage support vs poke. You have to be more aggressive or you just get poked out of lane which is what happened. I think treatz was nervous because of how important the games were.
I feel like TSM puts too much pressure on winning. Winning is important for sure, but if you lose as TSM you will get flamed and it can hurt your career. It seems less intense for the other teams. All the LEC teams look like they're having fun it seems like a better mentality
No, if you look at past seasons. Doublelift has been lame dominate where he has a CS lead and is agressive. Treats needs to match that to get ahead in lane. Treats can change his play style outside of lane, but if he does in lane Doublelift loses one of his advantage as that type of ADC Player.
@@richardtran9259 DL did look dog shit with corejj last split. Hell, his only lead was because he would stay in bot while other teams would send their bot to get rift herald and snowball harder. The only difference from this and past season is far better bot lanes. Hell, sneaky was typically the #2 ADC which says a lot. This season there is a much stronger pool of ADC in the LCS. Treatz isn't the one forcing DL to get hit by every skill shot. He's not the one telling DL to buy Dblade into a poke match up. He's not the one telling DL to TP back into lane without buying. Have you seen DL in team fights? His positioning is atrocious. Maybe it's not a treatz issue and more of a washed up ADC issue.
@@richardtran9259 i agree his lack of experience is really getting exposed. people need to realized the support sets the pace of the lane and not the adc. laning phase cant be all on DL its both of their jobs to succeed in the lane and one cant succeed without the other.
Am I the only one who thinks subbing in biofrost for the next series is the way to go after treatz has shown in the past two series that he can’t handle the pressure at all (the supp gap has been pretty big in both series)
To answer your question, no you are not. But if you want TSM to loss faster that would be the way to go. Laying the blame on Treatz when DL is playing like shit is fucked up man. He can only cover for DL so much. Hell CoreJJ couldn't hide how garbage of an ADC DL has become and he is MVP of summer. The gap has been the ADC. Treatz is doing fine. The dude went 1-3-28 in the series against Dig while Aphro was 1-8-7 and they shared champs for most of the series. Against GG Treatz went 2-8-15 to Huhi's 1-5-20 so fairly close stats in a 3-0 loss. In game he was fine while DL never showed up.
aF Kayzar I agree that DL has not been playing well at all the past couple series, he says so himself in the interview. What I’m arguing is that, as DL points out in the interview, his play style doesn’t match Treatz, as Treatz plays super passive, which is obvious in the past two series when he was scared to engage 3v5s. Especially against GG, game 1 he counterpicked himself, so I don’t blame him for not being able to do anything, but game 2 he got out roamed by a Morgana when he was playing bard, missed every bard ult, and game 3 his presence was more or less invisible outside of team fights. against Dig in game 1 he evolved his support item as karma at 17 minutes, which is just horrible for a pro. The reason I think biofrost would be more helpful is that he already has a lot of duo experience with DL, and would therefore be more impactful/comfortable in the playoff setting. Of course, I also agree that DL has to step up, it seems that the other three members are doing their part pretty well.
Hearing DL talk about how a series in loser's bracket against DIG could save his career very telling. He looked awful in these playoffs, but it does go to show that EVERY SERIES he plays means so much to him. I really think he'll bounce back these playoffs.
he didn't actually talk about that series saving his career. He was talking about the fact that he gets to keep competing beyond the match against golden guardians and with that specifically tha fact that they can still win/do well in playoffs despite that loss. He even stated after that beating dignitas really isn't anything that they want to be compared on.
He was kinda sweet there being so critical of himself and talking up Bjergsen and feeling so bad that he feels like hes holding Soren down and talking about winning it for Soren, i like that
Bjesen don't deserve to win anything, specially if they loose it's his fault, he is the only constant on the team, too passive and don't make the plays. Jensen himself said it best.
100% agree. I totally understand this is their career and all, but there is no reason to not have fun with it at the same time. Forget the meta and play what they what you're all most comfortable on, and also play to your tempo not letting the enemy team force you to macro to their play style.
@@aarondennys2288 which I think is the difference between NA and EU, most EU teams has what the casters called "the magic of friendship" and is most prevalent from G2 especially during the dominant last year they had, with MAD having it now. I feel like there's always tension from the teams in NA which affects a lot more, they should do a GGS and put it all out there.
Jansen Shalmar it’s funny too because a lot of LCS players are weebs so you would think they would know the power boost that fighting for their friends would bring
Obviously peter has always given off the super cocky I’m a god persona kinda like a boxer or mma fighter building hype for the fight, but he really is so clearly a super down to earth realistic guy that’s super hard on himself. Love to see it. And like he said I really hope they get their shit together for my man Soren. Dudes playing out of his fucking mind and by no means deserves to lose. Get it done so I can root for someone at worlds lmao.
Well they never change their organizations core infrastructure and continue to have the same recurring problems, if you believed in them then, nothings changed since then
Just to clarify for you guys, I’m not asking for evidence as to why you believe they suck. I’m not asking for your approval in my belief. What I am saying is that I still believe in this team, that I could care less what any of you naysayers think or say.
Never seen DL this depressed and not confident before. As a TL fan DL had been my favorite player for 2 years, and it really hurts to see him like this. I never liked TSM and always enjoy watching them lose, but for the first time I hope they can come back and make it to world.
It's interesting that he brings up the point about micro-managing. In tactical shooters like CS/Valorant, they talk about the IGL (in game leader) role, who is responsible for big braining the match and keeping tabs on everything. Sounds like TSM is struggling with leadership and voices on the team.
I been a DL hater for a very long time But this 180 he has done this year has made him like him, keep it up bud, I want to see you guys play an amazing 5 game series vs FLY for the Worlds spot I think yall gonna do great!
Tia Gen a lot of people hate him. He’s a douche. He’s self centered. No matter what team he’s on it’s always about him. He’s been kicked off three teams now for quitting.
Ecalos I wouldn’t want to meet him. Listen to how other people that have met him, talk about him. There are not many people in the league that actually like him. Teams don’t want him. High Elo players don’t want to play with him.
If you watch the series, it was basically a 4v5. Treatz was MIA pretty much the whole time. We picked Thresh into Morg as though he could pull that off when he can't even black shield. He missed all his engages. He stood behind DL the whole time in the laning phase no matter who he played. Free Bio!
@@TheBunnyrum Game 1: We counterpicked ourselves botlane and got perma shoved. Mid game Hauntzer focused DL. Game 2: Treatz face checked the brush and get killed immediately. Game 3 we realized Morgana/Ziggs was a package deal because if Morg hits a bind Ziggs ults for free. We ban Morg but we go BACK to Thresh and DL tilts. Hauntzer focused DL AGAIN. I'm not saying DL played perfect but a great deal of the laning phase was Treatz fault. If you're not paying attention to how it played out or can't identify these things you won't see it.
@@mn8931 yeah, his support is the reason he can't dodge ziggs ult, buy a qss against a morde / Ashe, can't not flash into an insanely fed morde, or lose both sides of the cait Ashe matchup. Insane how jaded people are towards this player.
@@HelloFromTokyo never had an issue with buying during tp PERSONALLY... If it wasn't tilt, it was pressure and nerves, which usually doesnt happen with DL
Harlan Daniels I’ve had issues with it, amount of time I’ve tp brought the item last second, it goes in my inventory then disappears when I get to lane, my gold come back too and it’s super tilting
The reason why they play well in scrims when stakes are low and poorly on stage when stakes are high is because the way they hold each other accountable. They played scared because they come down on each other for every mistake. Listen to Bjergsens interview.... Him and Double lift do not know how to build their teammates up and it's sad. I guarantee they tear their teammates down and it destroys their confidence. League is mostly a mental game and they need to get a handle on it or Bjegersen will never win again... and I think that is sad because of how talented he is.
Bjerg at this level can play for more years.. he's scary good , DL feels like he's a burden to the team at this moment while Bjerg is just smurfing during the past 2 series. Hope everything goes well for DL i'm pretty sure he'll perform during the next games
I’m glad he’s honest by saying he just played bad and only that. He didn’t try to save himself by saying « I just got tilted... » etc... Really nice attitude to me tbh
I think it says a lot that he's trying to bend Treatz to his style, rather than accommodate to Treatz. Treatz is the newbie. Double is the veteran. He should be able to adapt to make him as comfortable as possible. I doubt this even occurred to him.
Glad DL is honest about TSM playing scared as a team. Bjergsen and Spica still looked pretty good to me, but BB DL and Treatz were kind of awful in that GG series. Hope they do ok for Bjerg, but honestly I want him to move to a less cursed team. TSM as an org. is trash, they ruin players consistently. Get him to a better place where he has fun playing league please.
honestly I think they need a mental coach... most of their problems now sound psychological. Living in the present, playing with no expectations, being able to forgive yourself for your bad performance... all of this needs to be addressed by someone on the team, otherwise they will just mental boom after the first loss in the next series and it will be over.
He just want to get out of groups ever since 2015. Dude doesn't need more LCS titles, he just want to perform good at Worlds. The only team that potentially could've enabled him was TL yet they couldn't. He should've gone to EU way before EU talents popped out of nowhere in recent years. As of now, EU no longer relies heavily on imports.
This has been the largest test of my faith in Doublelift. After all these years.... I finally had doubt and disappointment in DL. TSM just feels like such a bad org due to the decisions made at the top--especially after this offseason. Regardless, I still wish Doublelift and (thus i guess) TSM to find a way to make it to worlds somehow...
they're too average of a team to go to worlds , i mean even if they make it somehow they will be as good if not worse than wildcards , i mean the ggs series told us alot about them as a team and their decision making in game
Support dictates alot in the bot lane. I think it is best to draft a winning match up in the bot lane. Then take dragon plus rotate top for herald. Possibly lane swap to top afterwards. Most good teams are doing this but why TSM seem to be drafting losing matchup and counterpicking themselves. Thresh and Bard into Morg. Clearly Karma or Nami with Cait would dominate lane so much.
To those who watched the game and wondering the face of Bjergsen. *I believe that the cam was delayed and since Doublelift was in the Death Realm,* *Bjergsen what to know of he was winning or what was going on.* Still its funny asf and its the best meme of this entire playoffs
Bb is like Kobbe for the LEC. Bb rarely looks bad. He’s always just a solid unit in the team but when given the chance to shine he REALLy shines. Bb is hella good but needs to be put onto a carry type champ
Well I mean he adds to the team dynamic, he is literally TSM legends. He is also insanely good... people seem to treat him like some veteran who should be winning everything, the dude is so young and inexperienced. Put him on a carry, he will win you the lane...
oddly, in playoffs, spica has massively shown up, and as a rookie too, sadly you cant say the same about BB and treatz yet. hopefully they can follow in spicas example. also, DL wont have a series like GG again. so at least that's out of the way lol.
BB and Spica have been the second best performers after bjerg. I dunno where the hate for BB is coming from, can you tell me what from him you think was bad? If you say GP, then you're just wrong. It's not that his GP is bad, it's that when TSM drafts GP they literally set him up with the worst champions to work with. TSM as a TEAM does not know how to draft around and play around GP. The only questionable play from bb in the last series was his 1v1 attempt against the ornn as camille, definitely "limit testing".
@@MrDilwo i dont know where you got hate from lol, i said exactly the same thing about treatz, yet you said nothing about that. even on the win vs dig BB wasnt on peak form, not forgetting his 1v1 loss to Orn when he had practically all of the teams lead. BBs mind is still playing him, once that gets that behind him you can defend him, cos then he'll deserve it xD
@@J040PL7 what are you on about lmfao. BB was literally shitting on DIG with Shen. Maybe the Camille game wasn't great but it wasn't bad either? And the series vs GGS he was doing well too? Even on his worst pick on GP he did well that series. Idk what else you want from him. Hes not being a detriment to his team and he's not losing lane unless the team calls for him to tp.
@@J040PL7 I said nothing about treatz cuz treatz truly did perform like dogshit the last two series. I'm only defending bb because you're trying to say he hasn't been performing well. You're using the one single example I already gave you to define him as having played a bad series. Bjerg made just as many boneheaded plays, dl was nonexistant until he got a bunch of lucky kills on ezreal. My point is, all of the players played bad compared to what we'd like to see. However after bjerg, spica and bb were the best performing, so saying bb isn't stepping up like spica is, is just disingenuous.
I hope TSM can turn it around and at least play well even if they don't end up winning. A series coming down to losing a close fight feels a lot better than just not having confidence to make any plays and getting slowly choked out. They seem like they are playing off their back foot right now, and they have enough skilled players to dominate if they can pull it together. Good luck guys
Are we just ignoring the fact he recalled with 1.3k and bought boots, tp'ed back, then recalled at lvl 5 to buy BF anyway? Effective giving up his lane. He's deflecting, he hard inted the whole series.
I don't think he tilted, I think he just has 8GB mental RAM and he needed 16GB at that time. If you look at his blooper reel over the years its usually little mental flubs like that or getting caught by an opponent he couldn't mentally track, as opposed to mechanical misplays and losing lane etc. The fact he forgot to buy twice this season shows it wasn't tilt if you ask me, it's just a recurring issue that stems from lack of mental focus for whatever reason.
@@christophermauro-barias7451 No it's not, there's a difference between a general lack of mental RAM (which is a permanent issue) and a temporary emotional state of being unable to recover when things go poorly (aka tilt) I think he just got outclassed in these games and is slumping, it has nothing to do with tilt and if you think every time someone plays like shit it's tilt then you don't know what tilt means tbh
@@christophermauro-barias7451I wasn't trying anything, I was just explaining an obvious concept that you continue to struggle with, whatever dude your problem at this point, keep misusing the term tilt if you want 99% of the community already does anyway so you're in good company
I feel like Doublelift needs to stay off Cait and Ashe, Senna. He is historically not good on those champs and he needs to own it. I don't really think he needs to be the dominant laner anymore when Bjergsen is your midlaner. I think he just needs to play the marksmen he is most comfortable with (Ezreal,Lucian,etc) and let Bjergsen do the heavy lifting and Doublelift does what he does best, clean up.
dont bio and Peter play better in botlane then Treatz and peter? If Treatz and peter is not on the same page. I feel like biolift synergy is just better most of the time
I think that it's mostly about having another vocal player in the game. They feel like Treatz has a higher ceiling than bio, and him and Spica work well together.
@@JColt idk what games you are watching, but Bio doesn't run it down lol. They brought in Treatz over him because Treatz is more vocal and not based on mechanics
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wtf is this travis
@@mufasa2944 Listen I'm desperate for subs. In quarantine, this is the only way I can quantify my self worth. Well, that and when people hit the notification bell.
@@TravisGafford LMAO. Whatever makes u happy
@@TravisGafford You managed to bait me into hitting the notification bell.
respect. you have earned this zoomers sub.
Paraphrased questions + timestamps for the impatient viewer:
0:23 - “Was beating DIG (3-0) a nice feeling?
0:50 - “So why don’t you feel good about this recent win (vs DIG)?”
1:53 - “What did go wrong in the GGS series?”
2:53 - “What lead to that (seemingly poorer performance vs GGS) and did you tilt?”
5:07 - “It seems like there was a lot of pre-playoff TSM hype. Do you think that you guys have dropped off as compared to the form you were in at the end of the regular season?”
6:27 - ”Given who you could potentially face in next round (TL or GGS), is there a certain opponent you’d rather face off with and how do you think it will go?”
7:45 - “Sneaky wants to know about the starting items (DShield and DBlade) on Cait and the potential of cull. What are your thoughts?”
9:04 - “Is there anything you want to say to any of the fans, etc.?”
Love you no homo
@@p1eboi804 Ayeo
Thanks
@@paolocavalli7 Igotchu
God’s work.
I do respect tf outta his take on facing any team and not caring. And that he knows Bjerg hard carrying. At least he admits when he plays bad and has solid takes on competitive drive.
He's been like that ever since he joined tsm the first time. People still just hate from his CLG days.
The dude has done a fine job of cultivating a toxic fan base that strokes his ego while bashing everyone else. For all his talent he also is a poison that slowly erodes every team he is on.
@@lordhawkeye what are you talking about. If thats true many of his teammates would complain and refuse to play with him.
@@lordhawkeye His attitude is just a show, around his actual team he isn't like that, and clearly not on tsm as he knows how good Bjerg is.
You should’ve asked Doublelift what he thought of the Bjergsen face towards the end of game 3? XD
bjerg was dead so he was looking at DL's screen to see the fight vs morde, cam was delayed so it looked weird but other pros have said they do it all the time for morde/nocturne ults
Link pleaseeeeee
Justin Luke yeah I understand that. It’s funny though because he watched the fight where DL picked a fight with Morde and lost. And it shows Bjergsen’s serious face. 😂
Timerooy go watch IWillDominates most recent video and fast forward to 13:48. The birth of a meme. Sorry Travis for plugging another youtubers video here.
THIS JUST IN: PLAYER LOOKS AT TEAMMATE SCREEN WHEN IT BENEFITS THEM! FILM AT 11!
Hey Travis do you ever look at Doublelift once in a while and think about the day you picked him up vs. where he is today? Something like a proud parent I suppose
This post from a year ago or?
Samuel Tunnicliffe no Travis took doublelift in when he was homeless after getting kicked out by his parents for playing too much league before LCS ever started
@@samueltunnicliffe7012 doop
amazing
@@GBSaSu I mean he wasn't kicked out for playing too much league haha
You know something's up when a DL interview is only 11 mins.
Good or bad?
@@sixpackshortcutmike Bad. Usually it's around 15-20 min
@@sixpackshortcutmike bad.
dL is definition of a loser. Leave a 9th place team, they put your sub in your place and finish next split 1st place. Go to one of top teams and get ruined 3-0 in your first play off match. Counter pick every game, get caught every game, lose lane every game. Let TSM just buy Rekkles, he obviously has problems in FNC.
@@janisgustavian He still got $.17 million more than you.
Bjergsen's going to have back problems when he gets older
oh really? I thought he's been having severe back pain for the past three years now?
@@kenchen704 Bjergsen will end up on a wheelchair from LCS
@@kenchen704 crap bro he's definitely screwed then
Yeah because clearly a co owner of the team cant say which players he want/choose to play with
That some character development shit when DL says he not only wants to win but he wants to win it for Bjergsen
Ahahahahaha. Wait, you are serious?
From flame master 3000 as a kid to a balanced level headed pro. Peter's a good dude and we've had front row seats to watching him mature. It makes me happy
My dude said Bjerg is smurfing hard and carrying the team, Im glad somebody said it lol
literally everyone is saying that. He has MVP status for a reason.
everybody's been saying it? lol
he's literally winning his lane all the time by large CS numbers, doesn't die, shoutcalls, is a team fight monster, literally the best mid laner and they're still loosing.
But no commemoration for BB is a bit dead imo, BB has been performing really well when put in a position to dictate the pace of the game. He hasn't had a single game I'd say was bad (didn't watch g2 of GGs).
@@eyeslikeoceans Reddit told me that Bjerg is washed up
that white is so blinding, but enough about Travis's teeth. Nice interview, I'm gladf that the TSM guys aren't taking the 3-0 against DIG as a great thing and it's just a first stepping stone
His voice at 3:05 :( he seems pretty heartbroken
ya definitely more going on behind the scenes that he doesn't want to share
Thank you for continuing to make content Travis, you're an amazing asset to the community!
I made a comment in one of the games where I said since DL and Treatz became a duo, their bot lane are always behind, whereas when DL played with Bio, they were ahead or winning most of the time. So there is definitely a chemistry issue wth DL and Treatz. I think Treatz is better with macro, but Bio enhances and protects his adc better.
I think TSM would be better off with using Bio and DL at the playoffs rather than DL and Treatz.
Really though? When bip was in the game he'd just int leads and they would never win lane, they would be even or behind in most games.
The nervousness situation is very much understandable. Treatz is a rookie, BB and Spica are both very young players. Of course, everyone has to step up when needed, but it's actually a bit more of coaching staff's responsibility alongside experienced veterans like DL and Bjergsen. They carry a heavier burden on their shoulders as they should. The problems are fixable and it's not doomed, yet.
Weldon is no longer with CLG, time for some mental coaching
Bring back biodaddy
Doublelift: "I didn't tilt"
Also Doublelift: Runs into Morde 1v1
Exactly my thought lol. Said later into the interview that "his individual play was fine" aswell, insert same meme
@@floriandubois7690 he said his individual play was fine for the DIG series, he said he played like absolute shit in the GG series.
@@kenny976 My bad
Also forgets to buy B.F Sword
@Joey S the more "hopeful" play would've been to back and at least try to defend with his team. Running directly into a Mordekaiser is not a "hopeful" play, it's a int play.
Travis you should have asked why he didn't buy BF sword when he TP'd back into lane vs Golden Guardians
I bet he made a mistake.
He did buy. You can see him buy boots before the tp and sell a potion. He didn't forget to buy a b.f. sword. What likely happened is he was approaching barely 1300 gold. He probably did the math in his head and thought he could sell potion to make up the difference in gold to buy it. Unfortunately he started the tp too early and was still a few single gold short when the tp finished so he couldn't afford it. You can see on his cam he says "oh my God" when it happens. Granted it's still a really bad mistake but it can happen when you want to win lane and tunnel focus on rushing back.
Should have asked him why he didn't buy QSS in games with mord. Also why he tried to 1v1 mord.
@@Tahngarth when you're chasing greatness
@@Tahngarth it could also be the shop glitch where it doesn't register you selling items and giving proper gold back to buy something else. I think it was Fogged's stream where he tried to sell a potion about 5 times before it finally went through.
OK, so unrelated to the interview but why does Travis' "monitor" setup for Webcams look soooooooo much better than the LCS analyst desk
Capitalism demotes quality. Also, years of Brodin's sphere of influence.
Whatever you say Mr Marx.
As much as I want to flame dlift for that gg game i have to put some of the blame on treats. Its hard to farm when your support has no presence in lane.
he knows how bad he played, and based on his mentality he wont let that happen again, the guy has a winners mentality, and that means rejecting the possibility of recurring mistakes. he'll ramp up by next match. on treatz however, being new to the highest level, you never know what will happen next.
I wouldn't blame that on treatz I would blame that on the trash drafting. They literally drafted him 2 losing matchups in a row and I can't even remember what the 3rd matchup was.
You're right.
@@TTVayanoworld too bad yellow stay went into supernova when he joined TSM and became a red dwarf :P
but YS is a legend of the game, he just gave no more fucks after joining TSM lol.
but i do think Treatz bring more to a team than olleh could.
@@nickroeder7512 tsm had an engage support vs poke. You have to be more aggressive or you just get poked out of lane which is what happened. I think treatz was nervous because of how important the games were.
Travis your outro was so fucking good today needed to comment
love DL back on TSM. Even if this split doesnt end great i feel we are heading in the right direction.
I feel like TSM puts too much pressure on winning. Winning is important for sure, but if you lose as TSM you will get flamed and it can hurt your career. It seems less intense for the other teams. All the LEC teams look like they're having fun it seems like a better mentality
USA sucks, that's why, culture and corporate politics. TSM is doing what American companies do.
You’re getting paid to be the best, if you’re no longer winning, next man up. This isn’t the amateur scene.
LOL Its not tsm its the fans.
@@codkue5142 I think the joke is that is IS the amateur scene....
Winning is the entire point if ur not winning ur worthless
Despite all the problems. Spica was actually smurfing those games though. Yall should talk him up.
Yep.
"I didnt tilt" -doublelift "Oh fuck off yeah right" -me
DL saying Treatz needs to change his play style is pretty worrying. Maybe it's not Treatz that needs to change...
No, if you look at past seasons. Doublelift has been lame dominate where he has a CS lead and is agressive. Treats needs to match that to get ahead in lane. Treats can change his play style outside of lane, but if he does in lane Doublelift loses one of his advantage as that type of ADC Player.
been saying this for years. why does every support have to change to suit DL. its never the other way around.
@@richardtran9259 DL did look dog shit with corejj last split. Hell, his only lead was because he would stay in bot while other teams would send their bot to get rift herald and snowball harder. The only difference from this and past season is far better bot lanes. Hell, sneaky was typically the #2 ADC which says a lot. This season there is a much stronger pool of ADC in the LCS.
Treatz isn't the one forcing DL to get hit by every skill shot. He's not the one telling DL to buy Dblade into a poke match up. He's not the one telling DL to TP back into lane without buying. Have you seen DL in team fights? His positioning is atrocious. Maybe it's not a treatz issue and more of a washed up ADC issue.
@@richardtran9259 i agree his lack of experience is really getting exposed. people need to realized the support sets the pace of the lane and not the adc. laning phase cant be all on DL its both of their jobs to succeed in the lane and one cant succeed without the other.
Doublelift's camera/lighting settings is looking much cleaner than his last interview.
Long live the king.
Am I the only one who thinks subbing in biofrost for the next series is the way to go after treatz has shown in the past two series that he can’t handle the pressure at all (the supp gap has been pretty big in both series)
To answer your question, no you are not. But if you want TSM to loss faster that would be the way to go. Laying the blame on Treatz when DL is playing like shit is fucked up man. He can only cover for DL so much. Hell CoreJJ couldn't hide how garbage of an ADC DL has become and he is MVP of summer. The gap has been the ADC. Treatz is doing fine. The dude went 1-3-28 in the series against Dig while Aphro was 1-8-7 and they shared champs for most of the series. Against GG Treatz went 2-8-15 to Huhi's 1-5-20 so fairly close stats in a 3-0 loss. In game he was fine while DL never showed up.
aF Kayzar I agree that DL has not been playing well at all the past couple series, he says so himself in the interview. What I’m arguing is that, as DL points out in the interview, his play style doesn’t match Treatz, as Treatz plays super passive, which is obvious in the past two series when he was scared to engage 3v5s. Especially against GG, game 1 he counterpicked himself, so I don’t blame him for not being able to do anything, but game 2 he got out roamed by a Morgana when he was playing bard, missed every bard ult, and game 3 his presence was more or less invisible outside of team fights. against Dig in game 1 he evolved his support item as karma at 17 minutes, which is just horrible for a pro. The reason I think biofrost would be more helpful is that he already has a lot of duo experience with DL, and would therefore be more impactful/comfortable in the playoff setting. Of course, I also agree that DL has to step up, it seems that the other three members are doing their part pretty well.
Hearing DL talk about how a series in loser's bracket against DIG could save his career very telling. He looked awful in these playoffs, but it does go to show that EVERY SERIES he plays means so much to him. I really think he'll bounce back these playoffs.
Game 2 he was like 7/0/9 he popped off during that series low key
he didn't actually talk about that series saving his career. He was talking about the fact that he gets to keep competing beyond the match against golden guardians and with that specifically tha fact that they can still win/do well in playoffs despite that loss. He even stated after that beating dignitas really isn't anything that they want to be compared on.
He's done, time to turn him out to pasture, I'm sure the broadcast crew would love to add him, they live up his ass already.
this comment will probably age like milk
@@ryank2465 LOL. if it does feel free to come back and flame me haha
You should give credit to Dl. when he plays bad he is first to admit it. Not many people can do that
Wait he said he played good in the series what are you talking about
@@ostnismo 1:59 he's talking about the ggs game
Yea remember sneaky the dude literally lost C9 every game at worlds and still won’t admit it
Abhishek Grewal one of the reasons I think Sneaky is so trash.
@@ostnismo vs dig not ggs, classic haters taking everything out of context, he litterly said that double elim potentially saved his career
Thank You: Doublelift, The Sequel.
He was kinda sweet there being so critical of himself and talking up Bjergsen and feeling so bad that he feels like hes holding Soren down and talking about winning it for Soren, i like that
Bjesen don't deserve to win anything, specially if they loose it's his fault, he is the only constant on the team, too passive and don't make the plays. Jensen himself said it best.
You don’t decide who deserves to win, so cut your shit. If he wins, he wins. If he loses, he loses.
@@Dressing007 Don't know what your problem is but its clear youre a big TSM / Bjergsen hater, tired and jealous of seeing them win shit....
Code for alienware didn't work. Unless it doesn't work because it was an already discounted alienware monitor.
Are you in the US? I know they sometimes don't work internationally
@@TravisGafford Canada, Other codes work but If I'm going to order I want to use yours.
Honestly tsm should just stop being so serious and uptight all the time and actually relax and baylife it I feel they would be less nervous.
100% agree. I totally understand this is their career and all, but there is no reason to not have fun with it at the same time. Forget the meta and play what they what you're all most comfortable on, and also play to your tempo not letting the enemy team force you to macro to their play style.
Well that's not happening under parth for he is now the fun police
@@aarondennys2288 which I think is the difference between NA and EU, most EU teams has what the casters called "the magic of friendship" and is most prevalent from G2 especially during the dominant last year they had, with MAD having it now. I feel like there's always tension from the teams in NA which affects a lot more, they should do a GGS and put it all out there.
Jansen Shalmar it’s funny too because a lot of LCS players are weebs so you would think they would know the power boost that fighting for their friends would bring
Obviously peter has always given off the super cocky I’m a god persona kinda like a boxer or mma fighter building hype for the fight, but he really is so clearly a super down to earth realistic guy that’s super hard on himself. Love to see it. And like he said I really hope they get their shit together for my man Soren. Dudes playing out of his fucking mind and by no means deserves to lose. Get it done so I can root for someone at worlds lmao.
I still believe in this team
Well they never change their organizations core infrastructure and continue to have the same recurring problems, if you believed in them then, nothings changed since then
Ehh theyre ok. Top middle of the pack as of now. Considering they have some strong players theyre below their standards.
Cringe
TSM is winning the split this is the turning point
Just to clarify for you guys, I’m not asking for evidence as to why you believe they suck. I’m not asking for your approval in my belief. What I am saying is that I still believe in this team, that I could care less what any of you naysayers think or say.
Never seen DL this depressed and not confident before. As a TL fan DL had been my favorite player for 2 years, and it really hurts to see him like this. I never liked TSM and always enjoy watching them lose, but for the first time I hope they can come back and make it to world.
For the love of god TSM fix your drafting.
Wait, if they all played worse individually than in scrims... exactly what horrific things did Bjerg do to the other team in scrims
It's interesting that he brings up the point about micro-managing. In tactical shooters like CS/Valorant, they talk about the IGL (in game leader) role, who is responsible for big braining the match and keeping tabs on everything. Sounds like TSM is struggling with leadership and voices on the team.
He seems so sad :/
I been a DL hater for a very long time
But this 180 he has done this year has made him like him, keep it up bud, I want to see you guys play an amazing 5 game series vs FLY for the Worlds spot I think yall gonna do great!
180 this year?? He quit and got kicked off TL this year. Lol
why hate him lol...reddit much
Tia Gen a lot of people hate him. He’s a douche. He’s self centered. No matter what team he’s on it’s always about him. He’s been kicked off three teams now for quitting.
Jeremy Wessels you hate someone you’ve never met before that’s actually sad
Ecalos I wouldn’t want to meet him. Listen to how other people that have met him, talk about him. There are not many people in the league that actually like him. Teams don’t want him. High Elo players don’t want to play with him.
Sounds like DL wants has Biodaddy back
Bring Vincent backkkkk
i agree treatz lack of experience is really getting exposed.
Bio sunk the academy team, don't expect him to make it back into the pro scene anytime soon.
It seems like doublelift feels deafeted down to the core of his soul.
He knows that corejj is from another world, and treats just a academy player
It honestly sucks to see doublelift look this down.
If you watch the series, it was basically a 4v5. Treatz was MIA pretty much the whole time. We picked Thresh into Morg as though he could pull that off when he can't even black shield. He missed all his engages. He stood behind DL the whole time in the laning phase no matter who he played. Free Bio!
Doubelift played like dog shit. lost the first game for them.
@EnragedGoliath You obviously haven't seen the last two games TSMA played.
@@TheBunnyrum Game 1: We counterpicked ourselves botlane and got perma shoved. Mid game Hauntzer focused DL. Game 2: Treatz face checked the brush and get killed immediately. Game 3 we realized Morgana/Ziggs was a package deal because if Morg hits a bind Ziggs ults for free. We ban Morg but we go BACK to Thresh and DL tilts. Hauntzer focused DL AGAIN. I'm not saying DL played perfect but a great deal of the laning phase was Treatz fault. If you're not paying attention to how it played out or can't identify these things you won't see it.
@EnragedGoliath This comment didn't age well did it?
@EnragedGoliath I'm sure you STILL think your comment aged fine. You're so full of delusion it'd be funny if it wasn't sad. "A few decent plays" lmao.
Seems like Treatz is actually nerfing DL and making him more bad than he already is :/
The horrible showing against GG showed that he is definitely in the twilight years of his career. He should retire and let some fresh blood in.
really hope they step it up and treatz and him get on the same page.
the white jerseys are nice
Its Bjergsen and the 4 wards
At least he knows he’s running it down
actually he clearly hinted that his support doesnt have the aggressiveness that he has in lane and it shows.
@@mn8931 yeah, his support is the reason he can't dodge ziggs ult, buy a qss against a morde / Ashe, can't not flash into an insanely fed morde, or lose both sides of the cait Ashe matchup. Insane how jaded people are towards this player.
Definitely didn't tilt... Everyone recalls and teleports out without buying all the time...
tbh buying while tping is so bugged, not a tilt result
@@HelloFromTokyo never had an issue with buying during tp PERSONALLY... If it wasn't tilt, it was pressure and nerves, which usually doesnt happen with DL
Harlan Daniels I’ve had issues with it, amount of time I’ve tp brought the item last second, it goes in my inventory then disappears when I get to lane, my gold come back too and it’s super tilting
The reason why they play well in scrims when stakes are low and poorly on stage when stakes are high is because the way they hold each other accountable. They played scared because they come down on each other for every mistake. Listen to Bjergsens interview.... Him and Double lift do not know how to build their teammates up and it's sad. I guarantee they tear their teammates down and it destroys their confidence. League is mostly a mental game and they need to get a handle on it or Bjegersen will never win again... and I think that is sad because of how talented he is.
@1:18 auto generated subtitle lmao! "I always like try to focus on what's in front of me and the president..."
I just think that they drafted losing bot lanes. It was hard for treatz to do anything vs Morg as bard or thresh. Then playing thresh vs Tahm. Rough.
Biodaddy return!?!?
Clearly we need Biodaddy back in bot lane!
Only reason I've always been a TSM fan is the Bjerger King
Is it just me or did DL make it sound like this is Bjerg’s last title run???
Bjerg at this level can play for more years.. he's scary good , DL feels like he's a burden to the team at this moment while Bjerg is just smurfing during the past 2 series. Hope everything goes well for DL i'm pretty sure he'll perform during the next games
Just you.
I’m glad he’s honest by saying he just played bad and only that. He didn’t try to save himself by saying « I just got tilted... » etc...
Really nice attitude to me tbh
Being tilted is a negative thing, especially for a pro.
it's a bad thing i agree but saying being tilted is way "cooler" than saying being bad
TAKE MY ENERGY!!!! 🙌🏼 TSM TSM TSM
I think it says a lot that he's trying to bend Treatz to his style, rather than accommodate to Treatz. Treatz is the newbie. Double is the veteran. He should be able to adapt to make him as comfortable as possible. I doubt this even occurred to him.
DL played tilted game 3. There’s a support gap on TSM. The way treatz played against golden guardians I wouldn’t trust my support either
I like how DL described synergy issues for a support diff
“We are playing really bad for a top team”
This hasn’t been a top team for 3 years lol
Okokok... is it just me or does Peter look like such a cutie in that lighting 😍😍??
Glad DL is honest about TSM playing scared as a team. Bjergsen and Spica still looked pretty good to me, but BB DL and Treatz were kind of awful in that GG series. Hope they do ok for Bjerg, but honestly I want him to move to a less cursed team. TSM as an org. is trash, they ruin players consistently. Get him to a better place where he has fun playing league please.
they need to fire parth, their drafts are gettinf weirded and weirder every time they play, and when it matters
@@gh-pv3yo Parth drafts have always been more player focused. What you see is what the player wants.
Travis' disguise fails him at 7:48. Sponsored by "Alienware" for a reason.
I keep saying it TSM needs a new coaching staff not a new roster
honestly I think they need a mental coach... most of their problems now sound psychological. Living in the present, playing with no expectations, being able to forgive yourself for your bad performance... all of this needs to be addressed by someone on the team, otherwise they will just mental boom after the first loss in the next series and it will be over.
we need the "everyone else is trash" version of double lift back
He just want to get out of groups ever since 2015. Dude doesn't need more LCS titles, he just want to perform good at Worlds. The only team that potentially could've enabled him was TL yet they couldn't. He should've gone to EU way before EU talents popped out of nowhere in recent years. As of now, EU no longer relies heavily on imports.
Doublelift seems like such a nice guy
Wow he's blaming it on treatz fucking class act this guy............
Say what you want about DL but he is always candid.
This has been the largest test of my faith in Doublelift. After all these years.... I finally had doubt and disappointment in DL. TSM just feels like such a bad org due to the decisions made at the top--especially after this offseason. Regardless, I still wish Doublelift and (thus i guess) TSM to find a way to make it to worlds somehow...
they're too average of a team to go to worlds , i mean even if they make it somehow they will be as good if not worse than wildcards , i mean the ggs series told us alot about them as a team and their decision making in game
Support dictates alot in the bot lane. I think it is best to draft a winning match up in the bot lane. Then take dragon plus rotate top for herald. Possibly lane swap to top afterwards. Most good teams are doing this but why TSM seem to be drafting losing matchup and counterpicking themselves. Thresh and Bard into Morg. Clearly Karma or Nami with Cait would dominate lane so much.
bio is leaving?
To those who watched the game and wondering the face of Bjergsen.
*I believe that the cam was delayed and since Doublelift was in the Death Realm,* *Bjergsen what to know of he was winning or what was going on.*
Still its funny asf and its the best meme of this entire playoffs
I feel like BrokenBlade is deadweight. He looks good, but does he offer anything???
Bb is like Kobbe for the LEC. Bb rarely looks bad. He’s always just a solid unit in the team but when given the chance to shine he REALLy shines. Bb is hella good but needs to be put onto a carry type champ
Well I mean he adds to the team dynamic, he is literally TSM legends.
He is also insanely good... people seem to treat him like some veteran who should be winning everything, the dude is so young and inexperienced.
Put him on a carry, he will win you the lane...
BELIEVE IN DL
The man just sounds defeated.
The white uniform looks refreshing
Let's go DL
oddly, in playoffs, spica has massively shown up, and as a rookie too, sadly you cant say the same about BB and treatz yet. hopefully they can follow in spicas example. also, DL wont have a series like GG again. so at least that's out of the way lol.
BB and Spica have been the second best performers after bjerg. I dunno where the hate for BB is coming from, can you tell me what from him you think was bad? If you say GP, then you're just wrong. It's not that his GP is bad, it's that when TSM drafts GP they literally set him up with the worst champions to work with. TSM as a TEAM does not know how to draft around and play around GP. The only questionable play from bb in the last series was his 1v1 attempt against the ornn as camille, definitely "limit testing".
Lmao tsm fans still blaming BB for that. He and Spica showed up but they got hard not diffed.
@@MrDilwo i dont know where you got hate from lol, i said exactly the same thing about treatz, yet you said nothing about that.
even on the win vs dig BB wasnt on peak form, not forgetting his 1v1 loss to Orn when he had practically all of the teams lead.
BBs mind is still playing him, once that gets that behind him you can defend him, cos then he'll deserve it xD
@@J040PL7 what are you on about lmfao. BB was literally shitting on DIG with Shen. Maybe the Camille game wasn't great but it wasn't bad either? And the series vs GGS he was doing well too? Even on his worst pick on GP he did well that series. Idk what else you want from him. Hes not being a detriment to his team and he's not losing lane unless the team calls for him to tp.
@@J040PL7 I said nothing about treatz cuz treatz truly did perform like dogshit the last two series. I'm only defending bb because you're trying to say he hasn't been performing well. You're using the one single example I already gave you to define him as having played a bad series. Bjerg made just as many boneheaded plays, dl was nonexistant until he got a bunch of lucky kills on ezreal. My point is, all of the players played bad compared to what we'd like to see. However after bjerg, spica and bb were the best performing, so saying bb isn't stepping up like spica is, is just disingenuous.
I hope TSM can turn it around and at least play well even if they don't end up winning. A series coming down to losing a close fight feels a lot better than just not having confidence to make any plays and getting slowly choked out. They seem like they are playing off their back foot right now, and they have enough skilled players to dominate if they can pull it together. Good luck guys
Bench treatz ngl
Are we just ignoring the fact he recalled with 1.3k and bought boots, tp'ed back, then recalled at lvl 5 to buy BF anyway? Effective giving up his lane. He's deflecting, he hard inted the whole series.
Who is this young and earnest new adc for TSM?
Possible rematch vs GG.
bring biofrost, bring a new jungle
They not going anywhere in world's. My expectations aren't that high anymore.
I hate this overlay. Why would I be watching two monitors... on my monitor? It makes no sense!
DO IT FOR BERJ!
he didn't buy. twice this season. no way he isn't tilted
I don't think he tilted, I think he just has 8GB mental RAM and he needed 16GB at that time. If you look at his blooper reel over the years its usually little mental flubs like that or getting caught by an opponent he couldn't mentally track, as opposed to mechanical misplays and losing lane etc. The fact he forgot to buy twice this season shows it wasn't tilt if you ask me, it's just a recurring issue that stems from lack of mental focus for whatever reason.
@@ghostwolfx thats called tilt
@@christophermauro-barias7451 No it's not, there's a difference between a general lack of mental RAM (which is a permanent issue) and a temporary emotional state of being unable to recover when things go poorly (aka tilt) I think he just got outclassed in these games and is slumping, it has nothing to do with tilt and if you think every time someone plays like shit it's tilt then you don't know what tilt means tbh
@@ghostwolfx if you were trying to act smart this wasn't it. he tilted plain and simple.
your ram needs adjusting
@@christophermauro-barias7451I wasn't trying anything, I was just explaining an obvious concept that you continue to struggle with, whatever dude your problem at this point, keep misusing the term tilt if you want 99% of the community already does anyway so you're in good company
Why so short. Ffs
I like free things
tru
I feel like Doublelift needs to stay off Cait and Ashe, Senna. He is historically not good on those champs and he needs to own it. I don't really think he needs to be the dominant laner anymore when Bjergsen is your midlaner. I think he just needs to play the marksmen he is most comfortable with (Ezreal,Lucian,etc) and let Bjergsen do the heavy lifting and Doublelift does what he does best, clean up.
Love the outro
dont bio and Peter play better in botlane then Treatz and peter? If Treatz and peter is not on the same page. I feel like biolift synergy is just better most of the time
Thing is Bio runs it down everygame.. while Treatz Death% is lower than Bio. Synergy doesn't matter when in TF your support is already dead.
I think that it's mostly about having another vocal player in the game. They feel like Treatz has a higher ceiling than bio, and him and Spica work well together.
@@JColt Yeah that Nautilus game from Bio didn't do him any favors.
@@JColt idk what games you are watching, but Bio doesn't run it down lol. They brought in Treatz over him because Treatz is more vocal and not based on mechanics
Anyone thinking they will bring bio in at some point, if they are down 2 games and losing?
Sums up doublelift's attitude th-cam.com/video/mzRmarOcpbQ/w-d-xo.html