Is DEAD SPACE “Planet Cracking” Possible?
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When the world runs out of resources, how will we sustain humanity's expansion across the cosmos? DEAD SPACE has an answer: we crack planets. But how viable is it to mine space?
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*Thanks for watching nerds!* I left out the economics/politics of bringing back unlimited resources from space -- it could easily wipe out an industry and all the jobs in a certain area or demographic. Imagine if we brought trillions of tons of rich ore back to the US and overnight all miners lost their jobs. Next election might look different. Fun thought experiments.
I was just thinking about this. The Democratic Republic of the Congo would collapse if cobalt was mined from a planet/asteroid. They have half the worlds supply.
Hopefully we start working on building a system that won't be crippled by what should be a great thing, enormous amounts of resources, before that happens.
But who would bring all those resources back to Earth? Wouldn't these personnel have to be trained?
Yes and I would like to add that the materials you mine from outer space needs to be sterilized for RADIATION FIRST because unlike on Earth, cosmic radiation in space is more prominent and possibly more lethal compared to mining for your typical Uranium.
What about using that worth to create a new economy outside of Earth?
As an asteroid, I can confirm that there are lots of us and we are super valuable.
Based
And rock-pilled
Swiggity Swooty, I’m coming for that precious resource.
And not too dense...
I shall take B 611, wanna be neighbouring Little Prince
Necromorph: Pulls out bone blades.
Kyle: Pulls out the Mantis blades he made.
Necromorph: *homicidal confusion*
Cyberpunk 2077 vs Dead Space would be pretty interesting!
Kyle becomes necromorph
@Jesse Hinman Military grade super sped up fighter with mantis arms vs military grade super sped up necromorph with arm blades!
@@kirbyis4ever I don't think the Marker will even need to spawn necro's, cyberpsychos are gonna do it's job for it, eyy lmao.
@@jessehinman8340 it would be horrifying, imagine necromorphs with sandevistan implants
Planet cracking is a perfectly balanced mechanic with absolutely no potential for exploits. 10/10
Why do I increasingly smell Yorkshire Tea Gold in the air..? And who's spiffin?
NO! Bad John! No summoning our Demon Overlord The Spiffing Brit. If he gets any info about this I promise you we will all suffer the consequences! Except for yorkshire tea. Their business will be booming.
*places kettle on the burner*
@@J_CtheEngineer No! NOOOO! What are you doing?!?
No exploits at all, we can even get water from outer space as well! Better to get the ice from Saturn's rings though - Mars might be closer with at least one moon being ice but Phoebe should be avoided
As a Stellaris player, "planet cracking" means something VERY different to me.
SAME!
Tho you still get minerals.
@@SharowbladyeGaymerPoratein the end it’s all about that mineral game anyway
It would be nice to see you get into the mechanics of dead space. Such as the shock drives, engineering and gravity tethers. Also how oxygen is produced by the use of hydroponics. There is a lot of science stuff to go over. Even the tools Isaac uses.
The best thing about Dead Space is how it's Sci Fi setting feels the most alive and lived in.
@@silverhawkscape2677 ironically
*laughs in necromorph*
You can find that in any biology book and the rest is smart engineering.
@@shadowmystery5613 Show me the equations and their proofs that describe how a shock drive will behave then.
@@DigitalJedi Should've added my answer was related to hydroponics 🙈
We have the basics about growing plants with and without Gravity - doing that on a sufficiently large scale is the real challenge but that will be eventually overcome.
Mainly due to the fact of the sheer size of the garden required and things like plant diseases - you wouldn't want your CO2->O2 exchanging plants die off in the middle of space because somebody sneezed on them.
“Asteroid cracking,” or as it is more commonly abbreviated, “ass crack.”
I ALMOST said that as a joke, but, you know, sponsorship
You just know the miners would be called Ass Crackers.
@@kylehill Understandable
@@kylehill A sponsor that is making a 18+ plus horror game with gore flying all around wouldn't take a joke like that? lol What is with this world? Who do they think they are advertising their game for.... kids?
@@kylehill But you can still joke about killing people, sometimes the rules of modern society are really strange. Show a nipple in a movie? The Horror! Show shooting dozens of people, no biggie. The USA has weird priorities ...
Ishimura starting as asteroid mining ship makes this so much cooler!
Kyle I genuinely appreciate you taking a “crack” at the lore for this game. Makes me think about the future implications of this actually being possible.
The science fiction behind planet cracking makes every second of horror worth it in that game. I hope they make a dead space 4.
In the remake probably
I'm guessing we're more likely to see relatively cheap tugs that can quickly fly to asteroids and haul them back to processing stations. It makes more sense to keep the ships that go out on many-year missions as simple and expendable as possible, so you wouldn't want to slow them down with expensive mining equipment that could get lost.
I think hauling them too close to Earth's gravity well may be eventually forbidden by law. To prevent accidental extinction by rock.
The next step would be mining and smelting in the asteroid belt. No need to send back slag or other waste materials to Earth, just melt it down on-site and only send the useful stuff.
Eh. Clanking self replicators are feasible with current technology.
Not yet proven, as nobody has yet to build them. But we do have 3d print technologies capable of self replication as well as probing technologies capable of sorting minerals and multitudes of methods to refine metals
So I'd imagine the most feasible is to send a small clanking self replicator to an asteroid and have it build itself a few hundred or thousand times, then send the valuable minerals back to earth, while the self replicators prepair to go to other asteroids.
The shocker is that we developed the minimum technologies capable of this kind of self replication in the 1970's and spent the 1990's perfecting it, *then* developed the 3d printer. It came as a novelty from what the minimum technologies allowed for. That said micro electro machining, and CNC robotic integration is all you actually need, since in space the sun can be your fuel.
But, the kicker is reaching this level will truly end the economy as we know it. Everyone will be more capable than Elon Musk or Bill Gates.
And I believe that is what has stopped *capitalist* and *authoritarian* nations from doing so, as equality feels like oppression when you are used to special treatment it's just a question of picking your flavor of special treatment.
However, a new cold war may force both types of nations into doing so.
@@flaviokauling1436 I would expect a station at the L2 point for further processing.
@@mikeuhlir562 Or Luna. Has a gravity well, so workers going out there won’t essentially be exiled (maybe) while still being easy to lift off from (relatively), and if something goes wrong, crashing a rock into it probably wouldn’t even do that much damage to human habitation, except from a direct hit.
The delivery of "I don't know if you know this but, Earth thicc" was immaculate.
I love the idea of planet cracking. In 40k there's some huge machine that just disassembles and tears apart whole worlds molecule-by-molecule. It's metal.
Some of it is. There's rocks and dirt too.
@@Nerd-Power 😂
What would the alternative be, plastic?
@@robonator2945 Has nobody heard someone call something metal? I didn't mean it literally 😂
@@catcadev aaaand you killed it, good job, you're a joke murderer.
all the talks of space mining and economies calls me back to "The Expanse" series! explores this the deepest out of any sci-fi I've been exposed to in a fairly realistic feeling way.
Good show
the fact that i asked myself this morning after playing dead space remake last night “i wonder if planet cracking is actually possible?” only to get on youtube and to find Mr. Kyle Hill had already made a video answering this question! love it great video
Hands down the coolest sponsorship ever
They're floating in space, those hands are clearly up.
@@Ahrpigi You better cut those hands off before they start growing claws
EA is cool?
but they paid him in loot boxes
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I just love the idea of a vehicle being a kilometer long. That's so ridiculously unfathomable
Look up frisbee antimatter starship. It's 500 kilometers long and has four stages.
Do trains count? We have really long freight trains.
cargo ships
@@reahs4815 The longest ships we've made are 400 meters, so you'd need three ships in a conga line to reach and surpass a kilometer. No wonder the ishimura has that tram system.
In HALO, the UNSC Infinity is 5 km long, and the Covenant has ships that are like 30 km or some shit like that.
Ah yes, the two things I really love- Kyle and Dead Space.
We agree!
Yes
Kyle saying "earth thicc" brought about the hardest laughter I've experienced in a long time 🤣🤣🤣 absolutely love you dude
it earned my sub.
Once i see this comment kyle said earth thick
Just discovered “Because Science.” Found out you left that channel and started your own. I am delighted to see you are still making content like this. I can’t wait to see your backlog!
I'm a complete dumbass, I never once noticed he left the channel and the channel I'm watching is totally different.
@@dreadblock7592lol s'all good
Yeah I haven't check in on Because Science for years now.
Gonna see what's going on.
Channel is dead.
I hope Kevin is alright after this, as bad as Kyle's day has been, I would wager Kevin is having a pretty rough one too.
@ragerequiem6323: All Kevins are fine. Any time a Kevin sustains a functionality-ending event, its constituent biomass is broken down and reprocessed in the cloning vats to make new Kevins, at an efficiency rate of no less than 88.23%
This wasn't always the case, but as soon as we've hunted down and located all rogue specimens of Batch 2389-j-Ͱ ZZ9pZA);;;;_, we'll finally be able to put _that_ particular dark chapter behind us.
Now we just need a video on the viability of Isaac's Super Stomp.
I believe someone said that under normal human strength, stomping a limb, especially something like a leg, would be nearly impossible in the way Clark can obliterate a corpse into mush.
However, they only explained human strength, and in Dead Space, those suits have magnetic boots that could easily crush bone if you activated them mid stomp.
Magnetic or grav-boot with sold sole, so the metal plate on the sole gives higher force than a human can do? Of course one fun idea would be making it where stomping the bodies has its own problems. Basically by stomping the body, the Corruption will use the stomped body to make more cover, or grow over lights to make it harder to see, or extend the corruption to make it harder to move around.
Maybe @thea_ulrich can make me a boot?
@@TheBlargMarg it's a power armored suit that can use electro servo motors to give the wearer super strength.
@@scifirealism5943 i dunno about all that, but give me isaacs boots and i guarantee i can stomp your arm off.
This franchise deserves the love it's gotten and more! I just love how feasable everything in the little lore is, evil alien mind altering artifact notwithstanding
From what I get in the design was, the Ishmura would mine and smelt/reduce ore to usable ingots and then ship to local system markets or my guess would be interstellar cargo exchange
I rather go with Unicron and begin the material collection without wasting my time with mankind.
There is a lot at stake which makes humanity's way of life worthless for me.
Time is a finite resource...
I could picture a “tenting” system for asteroid mining. Creat a relatively small area around an entrance so you have a slightly more controlled environment for collection
I love these goofy but informative videos! This reminds me of being a kid again when shows would hide education in the insanity lol.
Isaac Arthur did a video a few years ago about asteroid mining, simply called 'Asteroid Mining' that probably goes into more details. He also covers a lot of other topics on his channel from colonizing to computers. I thought I'd give it a shout out since I thought about it when Kyle was talking about the issues of Asteroid Mining.
Loving the remake, scarier than ever, never before had I craved a save station as much as I do now. Why do I have to choose between lights and life support 🥺?
To me, the least feasible part of the Ishimura and planet cracking are the gravity tethers that hold the chunk of rock. Harnessing gravity I would think is farther out then large scale mining of another celestial body
I mean they got stasis and kinetic modules. They’re basically an artificial method of manipulating motion, like artificial gravity. They might have the tech to simulate motion, but they might still require the resources of entire worlds, specially for an interplanetary civilisation.
Agreed! Yeah I forget if I say that explicitly but gravity tethers aren't that feasible when you could just land?
@@kylehill they don’t need to land. The mountain comes to the prophet.
@@irvs5922 I would include stasis and kinesis in that as well, lol
All in all we gotta love the ever expanding sci-fi aspects we develop when envisioning the future
@@irvs5922 I was about to say: stasis. That breaks all the known laws of physics.
I wonder if Kyle can do calculations on the batteries in subnautica and how much energy they hold/generate. That would be an interesting show, especially to find out how it compares to real life.+
Agreed
I have seen quite a few videos in partner to the new dead space but i really enjoyed this one. There is real info in it and not just a lazy cash grab. Great video❤
Yeah, but I guess that they would just do what diamond miners do and control the flow of material just to not dunk the market and make the value of the mineral ultra cheap. Their profits would come waaaaaay before our no scarcity
Problem is there's no functional way to constrain the supply once the gold rush starts. Even if the first few who get up there 'have an agreement', that just incentivizes someone else to come in and cash out.
@@brianhirt5027 Nah man, the startup cost is literally astronomical. No one else could ever possibly afford to get in on the game.
@@brianhirt5027 Startup cost aside (which a nation-state could bankroll), the fact that it requires rocketry means that some of the important components are monitored. The first few States that get in (US, China, EU, Japan, etc), will have a strong incentive to keep anyone else out. Those States would also be incentivized to control resource flow to benefit themselves.
Artificial scarcity for diamonds is because we dont need them vs gold tugsten lithium lead silicon etc.
When you have an IRL scarcity profits come to those who plant the seeds in a drought vs those who wait for the drought to end.
@@danieljensen2626 The first pound of extracted/refined aluminum would be worth the equivalent of several hundred thousand dollars today. Only Napoleon of all the european gentry could afford to have a set of banquet cutlery made of it. It only took a few years for it to start dropping in price as the process was worked out how to better recover it. Entry costs are ALWAYS high in a new market. But once we as a species has a little time to work & refine a process & some structure is in place the price starts falling dramatically & quickly. The first few who make it to space will spend huge bucks. The hundreds who come after will have big bucks. The third wave with tens thousands into millions will be in reach of even moderate means.
Look at the development of the color TV as a prime example. Starting as a dream at Bell Labs. Seriously. Go read the history behind how color television came to be and you'll see immediately the parallels.
I have to say guiding a space probe to an asteroid, flying through space at incredible speeds, land, mine (even a small amount of minerals), take off and come back to Earth is still an incredible feat.
NeverMind that, see how they are rocking the world economies to panic everybody into buying gold right now!! What could possibly go right!!?
🧐👻😆🐷
You have to remember in space speed doesn’t matter, if they matched the speed it would be like they stood still next to the asteroid
@@ausden9525you have to remember that to match speed, they had to escape earth gravitational pull, match the plane of the asteroid, use acceleration to match a trajectory to meet up with the asteroid, and not be going to fast to waste the rest of your fuel trying to slow down. Speed itself may not matter, but the differences in speed do.
@@ausden9525 i'll make sure to remember that when the space cops pulls me over for speeding 🤣
It will be interesting to see what kind of space mining humanity gets up to in the next 50-100 years.
Tru
Oil companies retrofitting their business models to do deep sea mining. Already been prototyped... Just needs to be scaled-
Probably none until as the guy in the video said it's cheap enough to be worth it
@@Assassin5671000cheap or not we will need to do it because earth is running out of resources
As long as we ditch capitalism in the future, we'll be golden.
Planet cracking is a fascinating idea, I always want to learn more about it whenever I get the chance
4:55 the problem with those estimates is that it takes into account modern prices for those materials and fails to account for the effects of introducing massive amounts of new material into the economy which would crater the price of the goods mentioned.most goods like gold are are expensive due to scarcity if not for that it would be been repurposed for use in wiring long ago. Point is when scarcity goes down so does the value of material as a luxury good
I was quite literally just posing this question in my brain when starting up the remake.
"But Earth thicc" idk why but that cracked me up good lol
I'm actually surprised no one else is actively putting effort into this. In theory, once you crack the tech, pun intended, the program pays for itself. You don't even worry about pay at that point because you have all the materials you need to repair and expand.
I guess earth just isn’t at the point yet to where we need to go off planet for resources. Once we get to that point then people will start taking it seriously.
I think the first step would be some type of lunar processing facility. It's a good jumping off point as it's got a small amount of gravity so we can test the tech of semi zero gravity manufacturing perfect it then expand to full zero gravity.
Give it time once we have burnt up all the oil we will need to find or make more else our factories machines won't get the lubricant and when we have mined up all the uranium what's next for power?
This game series is supposed to be way far into the future who knows mabey the asteroid mining this video says has already been done in the game.....they just ran out of asteroids now they are on to the bigger stuff as that's all that's left
@@lowgrav5900 “…what’s next for power?”
Solar. If we don’t mind going to space the sun can provide all the energy we could possibly use.
Or deep rock geothermal. Drill a hole straight down about 30-40km ANYWHERE and we’ll hit hot rocks. Inject a working fluid, water in most cases, and we can run turbines with it. Politically it’s great because we can transition oil drillers to geothermal with minimal retooling.
i mean we don't really have efficient enough space travel yet
Really enjoyed this. Dead Space is my favorite survival horror and the only one that legitimately scared me. Especially loved how they got certain scientific aspects right. The scene were you're walking on the hill and the only sound is your breathing, dull thuds from your footsteps and nothing else was perfect.
That wasn't a hill. That was outside the Ishimura.
@@silverhawkscape2677 LOL! Gotta love autocorrect...I really did put HULL but it changed it to hill. Argh!
*@Kyle Hill* 2:35 No, hat I am asking myself, is:
"Why not send down colonies, refineries & whatnot, to extract ONLY the valuable stuff & leave the useless stuff behind"
No point in spending HUGE quantities of energy & effort just to lift up something that we don't want.
It would probably also be easier to sustain a colony planet-side than on a ship too. (9:36 Yeah, agree).
Funny how the ingame ship is Ishumura, but the actual -mentioned @ 07:00 - probes/missions are hayabusas. Meaning Japan rock as usual!
I played the original when it came out and absolutely loved it, I had to buy all 3 games. So far the remake is absolutely incredible and even more immersive!
I just want to say thank you, because of your video's I've been looking forward to getting a masters in nuclear engineering. I haven't which school I want to go to, but I narrowed it down to 3.
Thank you Kyle, for inspiring me to further my education in all things nuclear.
💥
I love the dead space references 😂 with the information of astroid cracking, though that future seems to be closer than we think. It’s been imagined already and once our tech reach our ambitions. The universe is the limit 💯❤️
You mentioned something I was thinking about - if there's precious and structural metal in the asteroids, there's fuel there too, enough to fuel the round trips for the mined and processed minerals. You could even build the returning vessels out of the minerals you mine, saving the round trip since the vessel could then be scrapped upon arrival.
I think it's implied they mined most of the big asteroids with ishimora already and reserve her and other similar ships for planet cracking only. While smaller ships still mine asteroids in mass.
Dead space 2 is set on a space station built around the leftover rubble of Titan, which was cracked and exploited.
@Nick Steele cool. They mined Saturn's only possibly inhabatable moon. 😂
@@manyharmons4308 Titan does have stations fitted for large scale habitation in Dead Space 2.
@@manyharmons4308 I mean if you live there might as well be productive right?
@@manyharmons4308 To be fair they can travel to other solar systems, have colonized multiple planets and can build massive space stations. In Dead Space humanity is expanding so fast that planet cracking is the most viable way of obtaining new resources.
Kyle, you should also look into the feasibility and how such civilization-ending entities as the Brother Moons would be a thing. Maybe?
Realistically there are 2 things we need to figure out, long term space habitation, and drastically more efficient thrust systems.
Have semi-permanent habitation modules that can be moved from rock to rock, depending on output have terrestrial launched rockets refuel/supply the modules with people/goods on a regular basis, unload supplies/staff, load materials/people and transit back.
It's always going to be high risk/reward in the end.
That risk becomes null once you work out all the nicks and kinks.
Then it's just rewards. The issue is the FIRST. After the first domino falls the rest follow
“It’s hard dismembering your friends.” Same, that’s why I make them clay figurines instead.
Thank you, Kyle! Sorry about Kevin!
As a huge Dead Space fan, I loved and appreciated this video!
The most unrealistic thing about Dead Space isn't even the Necromorphs, it's that humanity has multiple ships like the Ishimura, having cracked countless asteroids and dozens of planets and is still on the verge of collapse because of a lack of resources.
Planet cracking is actually the reason why they aren't collapsing.
Almost as unrealistic as millions starving in the richest country in history
Because it's never been acquiring resources that's been the issue throughout human history: the world currently produces enough food to make all 8 billion of us obese, and many developed nations make more food than they could ever properly store, thus leading to wastage Yet even today starvation and famine is a thing that affects millions worldwide, simply because the food doesn't properly get to where it's needed.
The implication in DS2, 3 and especially the remake is that it isn't the lack of resources that's got humanity circling the drain: its the influence of the Markers upon our leadership.
Na in the end of dead space 2 there is a text log explaining it all everything worth mining on the inner colonies has already been mined out the outer fringe has tonnes of resources but as the ships still use combustion rockets by the time they have shipped it to the inner colonies they have burnt up so much fuel and what ever the shock drive uses as fuel that it's not worth it
The outer colonies are under developed and the inner ones are too far away from the mining sight ......I guess they should have recycled more but I guess some things can't be recycled and the unknown amount of junk lost into space each time a window breaks its all these things that caused the desperation that made the events of the marker being built in the second game and the marker facility in the beginning of the 3rd
People have cut down all the trees burnt up all the oil and mined up all the coal now they need more from elsewhere but too many people exist in the universe they can't mine it and deliver it fast enough as with each planet cracked the mining site gets further away and requires more fuel to transport the raw materials to make fuel and then transport that fuel to the inner colonies for their ships to function
There is even a log in the game that makes it clear that the crew of the Ishimura didn't understand the reason that CEC sent them to mine a whole planet. I'm paraphrasing a bit because it's from memory but the speaker says something like "Of course it doesn't make sense to come all the way out here to mine a planet. But to recover an alien Artifact? Now it makes perfect sense"
Admittedly, it's more talking about that specific planet, Aegis VII, than planets in general. The Ishimura in-universe has done at least 33 Planet Cracks before the Aegis VII Crack.
The reason Aegis VII is considered a weird mining operation is because the whole system is restricted and illegal to enter.
@@abloodraven3856 ishimura was also the LARGEST and FIRST planet cracking mining ship. Meaning others were made. Infact it was gonna be decomissioned until the aegis ecpedition.
Meaning there exist other more efficient and smaller ships. We see some in the other games and movies like dead space aftermath.
As others have pointed out, in the DS universe it does make sense because of the ridiculously high needs of all the space stations and colonies. They've built several planet crackers which can dismantle an entire planet in less than five years. It didn't make sense to mine that particular planet because aside from the marker on it, it just wasn't very interesting.
If you're working at large enough scales I imagine it would be advantageous to work differentiated material. Much less sorting and refining. Making a ring world around a star or a death star? Well just extract large deposits of iron or whatever other materials you need, break off the largest pieces continuous material and start there
My literal dream job is to be a space miner. It just seems so cool and chill of a job.
Until you get to the dangers of having meters-sized rock flinging into you in zero g, with only a few cm thick armor protecting you.
@@meestur6210 or you will get slaughter by some Mutated alien Zombies
@@meestur6210 I imagine it would be considered one of the most dangerous jobs in history, a lot like those deep sea welders
@@meestur6210 the space between Asteroids are gigantic , they arent nearly as cluttered as u see in movies.
We talking space miners like in Deep Rock Galactic or...?
I feel like the advancements suggested by Bob Lazar in terms of 'Gravitational Reactors" would be the sort of thing that would actually allow us to do this sort of thing. You don't need to adapt systems to Zero-G if you can just simulate gravity enough to keep the mining systems and ships stuck to the asteroid via gravity of your own. You still have to deal with vacuum obviously, but not anything else.
"Earth thicc" I'm not comfortable with you talking about my momma like that...
It would be more than enough to assure all basic human needs are met and then some, which would lead to more focus on becoming a space faring species when it's really all we would have to worry about. We can dream right?
Earth thicc. She protecc, but she also attacc
"we'd be post scarcity!"
*Remembers reading the Expanse and giggles*
The mining company my father worked for was looking into this during the 1980’s. They had teamed up with some NASA scientists, they did build prototype machines for space mining, the problem they couldn’t figure out then was the same as now, how to get it back to earth.
I'm not a science man, far from it, but I would think that that's only a matter of prep (which also requires funding, so that's out the window, but). If we don't first go for the gold and platinum, we could aim for the ice asteroids, where we can the separate that into H and O, which would make for (I think) strong and efficient hydrogen fuel for some hydrogen thrusters (source: I played Space Engineers for a while :,) ). After that you've got sustainable refueling IN SPACE, and if we aim our next missions close to this (or these) point(s), perhaps infrastructure.
I fully realize this is just a pipe dream of me REALLY wanting to live in a space faring civilization, but even if Bezos (who could probably fund the whole thing himself) and Musk, who claim to care so much about spaceflight would start supporting R&D for this today (which they won't), it wouldn't even be in the testing stage in my lifetime ;-;
i still cant believe literally the studio that killed the game by bastardizing it in 3 with their greed and not understanding the series has made quite possibly the gold standard for what a good remake is and may have even ironically brought the series back from the dead.
You mean publisher: EA was the publisher that killed off Visceral Games (formerly EA Redwood Shores). The studio in charge of the remake is EA Motive, a new studio founded in 2017 that previously made games like Star Wars Squadrons.
they knew 3 wasn't gonna sell well but still set impossible goals for a potential sequel too
Okay, I have to ask. As someone who enjoys fictional asteroid mining in their spare time, I'm curious about the viability of methods in games such as Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen. In ED one of the preferred ways of mining an asteroid is to rig it with strategically placed explosives to fracture the asteroid into smaller pieces for drones to collect and store in your cargo, whereas SC currently uses lasers to heat an asteroid to just the right temperature that it fractures (without exploding) into smaller pieces than can be sucked up for processing at a station. I would love to see more on space mining!
Explosive have the advantage of being fairly simple to use, but you are making a lot of debris. Mining Lasers need power (and a cooling grid) but you can cut the asteroid into chunks that are the right size. Both have their uses.
Now one fun idea would be making the asteroid into a toroid (donut) and cutting out one piece of the toroid. You then have the piece rotating about its center, and in the center of a mirror smelting array. This will cause a steady set of zone refining so the elements are separated by melting point over time.
Another method would be simply sending mini bots to mine with advanced mining location techniques. Leaving an asteroid alone like flies burrowing in an apple. So it won't cause accidental shrapnel to hit stuff nor require much lazers and cooling.
Basically a large drill mining a large rock but that large drill is cut up into a billion smaller drills.
We already do sonar finding for drilling for oil in water. So in space we could do much more with a circular rock vs a flat surface.
I used to be part of a team of 400 smart people who worked on a kickstarter project for an asteroid mining company called Planetary Resources Incorporated. Things were going well, until the prototype cubesat tech demonstrator was destroyed in the 2014 Antares rocket explosion.
Are you for real?
@@toristheory yep
And people will invest for a share of the profit?
Know its completly off topic but I always wondered how 'Sozins Comet' worked in Avatar: The Last Airbender. It returns every hundred years so in a way its orbiting the planet/system the planet inhabits. Was curious if its even possible to figure out how the comet would do this or if its possible at all.
Those type of comets have an elliptical orbit around the sun. The sun’s gravitational influence is massive in all directions. A lot of people think it only reaches to Pluto but there are many celestial bodies further than Pluto that orbit around the sun. What’s crazy is that’s nothing compared to supermassive black holes like Sagittarius A and Ton 618
It’s completely possible and in fact this happens in our own solar system. Halley’s Comet is in a orbit around the Sun that takes it out past Neptune and it passes Earth every 76 years. It’s been orbiting for about 16,000 years, and soon will begin its return to the inner solar system. We will see it in 2061.
takes 100 years for the comet to orbit the sun and it's orbiting on a different "axis" than earth. this causes the comet to only be within the line of sight of earth for a few days every 100 years
My dude sick video discussing scientific possibilities and keeping people engaged with comedy and action, but what do you think about the possibility of synthesizing any element or compound we might need instead of desperately mining forever. Maybe it's a question with no answer right now but it's definitely intriguing to think about
hey kyle, there's another game that does exactly what you suggest here, asteroid cracking. Its Warframe, Railjack missions allow us to do exactly what you described including "refinement"
That makes me want to return to Warframe a bit.
Stop played at Fortuna release, saturation, life issues and economic problems took me out of gaming almost
Well the idea is that you take up a construction crew who use materials from asteroids to build out more ships and bigger things that allow an exponential expansion of mining facilities in space. Eventually you’ll get so much stuff in space that going to and from the surface of a planet will be trivial.
The issue is making the first. After that the rest would be laughably easier.
Just like say the electric grid or airplanes. Once first ones were made well the rest were literally copy paste
Imagine you send a group of People in a miningstation to an Asteroid where they mine the Asteroid and almost get mined by an unmanned AI miningstation like in the Book from Daniel Suarez and add Space Zombies to that ..... could be a funny strategy game XD .
i love every single one of your videos,you are inspiration and a living legend for us Kyle.
Amazing editing with this one Kyle big fan of your TH-cam channel 😊thank you for making this one
When we realize we were born a few hundred years too early to be space pirates 😭
The way I see it, we might be alive at just the right time to experience the wonder of space travel, exploration and industry beginning to unfold, before it becomes just another settled part of life. If traveling to the Moon really did become like flight is in the modern day - a captivating technological marvel that everyone's so used to by now that many people even find it tedious and annoying - then I don't know if I'd be able to dream at all.
little did you know, we were born a few decades too late to have been the first ever space pirates.
Thanks for going to space and fighting necromorphs for us to make this video science Thor.
I can imagine Kyle eating the BBQ off his own face after recording
IT WASN’T MY BLOOD
The Mr. Plinkett reference at 11:09 had me in tears. 🤣🤣🤣
Great video, and nice to see Kyle diversifying, going from Great Value Thor to Kirkland Signature Kratos
Agreed that asteroids are hard, but I can't imagine a timeline that gives us planet cracking without us ALSO having solved all the asteroid mining problems. I feel like the one is contained within the Venn diagram of the other.
The process would probably be
1.hard to figure out asteroid mining
2. As soon as we figure it out after a few years it'll be way easier to finally do planet-cracking
Because of the technology and the resources obtained from asteroid mining
@@primus3217 Why would we want or need to crack planets if we already could do asteroid mining?
What you REALLY need to achieve is interstellar travel.
You need 3 things to create a starship
Artificial gravity
Ftl travel
Enormous energy source
@@scifirealism5943 I was just kind of assuming we made up artificial gravity and FTL travel and there's no reason to expect them, hence the lack of interstellar civilizations and no Fermi's Paradox drama.
@@ThatFreeWilliam because whilst asteroids will be easier to mind, being able to get to the massive pockets of resources deep within planets, as well as the massive surplus of resources in the upper layers of a planet, would be more efficient in the long run.
I'm fairly certain that I should have stopped thinking of this as "Because Science" a long time ago, but is there any title anymore? Is it officially "The Facility"? Kyle Hill w/ Kyle Hill? The Kyle Hill Experience? The Kyle Pile? The Hill Pill? Because Kyle? Nerd is the Word? Science! at the Disco? It's All Magnets? Actually Magic? Just Science? Streams and Schemes? Reverse Velma? The Magic School Bus (gritty reboot)? It Was Science All Along? Basilisk Rising? Nerd, Geek, and Hair? ARIA and the Hill? I'm done.
Man, who knew kevins were so susceptible to becoming necromorphs.
I'd plead the Fifth, but one of the weirder kevins ate it
Kurzgesagt has a video about similar stuff on how we would likely expand. According to what Kurzgesagt has theorized we'd most likely create something akin to a dyson sphere by stripping Mercury for resources to make it. It's a really interesting video.
@2:40 I like to tell people that at great enough time scale, all things behave like a liquid. Even life. Which rises and falls like waves breaking on the shoreline.
In my experience this one is hard for humans to wrap their minds around.
Zero interest in the game, but the concept of planet cracking and mining is FASCINATING.
i just bought the remake at the stroke of 2AM today and i have been loving it so far, the changes made me as a person who played the original so happy. you go in expecting a certain scenario because you played the original, and then its not at all the same...but instead somewhat cooler/better or hell easier. i started it on hard because if your not struggling, then its not the dead space experience. And i was finnaly able to feel dread again! walking through the halls of the Ishimura has never made me feel more tense than with the remake. 110% recomend.
There's an event chain in Stellaris where you find a planet that's actually a giant egg. You can then crack the egg making a big space omelette.
Edit: I think the Eating the egg is only available to "Devouring Swarm" species.
There are potential uses for plain old iron. Imagine using a mining, laser-sintering and manufacturing probe that could mine/process an asteroid and use it as feedstock to manufacture the chassis of a space station or spacecraft on-site, ready to be outfitted with needed equipment. It would basically be metal 3d-printing in an oxygen and gravity-free environment, so it could be organically shaped, huge and extremely strong for its mass. A sufficiently advanced manufacturing probe might even be able to make engines and electronics at the same time from other locally-mined resources. No humans required on-site and no gravity well to escape from.
"Coll yuhself uh Belta, neva dun no rock-hoppin'!"
KYLE I have a random question... how much matter do we have to bring to earth from other celestial bodies before we throw off it's orbit in a catastrophic way? At some point will we need to export useless matter in order to balance our orbit?
I'm not Kyle, but orbital mechanics does not work like that. You can have a planet the size of Jupiter in place of Earth - and it would still revolve around Sun at a period of 1 year. Though, if we'll continuing add matter, eventually things will start changing, as the increasing mass of the planet will turn it into a gas giant, and then a proto-star and it will begin to excert measureable pull on the other planets in the solar system, and on the Sun itself, pulling both closer together and causing orbits of _other_ planets to become unstable.
@Jason Luvisi
> A what point would we need to worry?
I'd say about 15 masses of Earth. Though it would likely take way longer than humanity existed as a biological species to collect so much matter, and we'd definitely would need to start cracking other planets in order to even approach that goal. Because if we vacuum the entire solar system clean of every asteroid... that will STILL add only 4% of the Moon's mass to Earth. In other words, only 0.048x Earth mass.
@@DarthBiomech Untrue, just adding mass wouldn't make Earth a gas giant, for that you need free gases that the Planet can absorb while orbiting around the sun. In the beginning of the solar system there was a lot of the stuff floating around, which aloud Jupiter & co. to get so big. Nowadays, the growth from absorbing Hydrogen und stuff is completely negligible! But if you just keep magically adding water (much more than exists in the solar system), at some point the earth would become a second sun!
I was thinking about this today lol
Also it's insane that everyone on the planet could potentially be billionaires if the world's governments worked together with the smartest minds to get to that asteroid 16 PSYCHEEE
The value of gold would immediately tank. But at least we could all have a solid gold bathtub.
We'd have to rework how resource distribution works at that point.
Given the creation of worlds... Humanity is too far behind.
We would all be rich in today's standards but at that point we'd all probably be equally poor since the value of everything would have to adjust
There is no way everyone on the planet could be billionaires and have it still be worth anywhere near as much as today, there is something called inflation. Everyone being rich wont ever happen. The value of things like gold, will fall if there is "too much" of it. But at best we could exterminate serious poverty and make it so nobody is starving. And for that the challenge is mostly to have a properly working system on earth that doesn't have too much crime or corruption which ruins it, and there cant be more people than you can reasonably feed (I know today we have a lot of issues with just uneven food distribution and lots being wasted, at some point we could be so many its simply impossible to keep everyone alive well nourished). Outer space can give us many resources, but not the single most important one: food
The only problem I see with this is inflation. Like sure, you have a quintillion tons of iron on earth now, but wouldn't that just make iron cheaper?
Indubitably! Now convert that to diamond, gold, silver and so on.
with all the dangers from being outside a spacecraft or even just being inside a ship (with current tech) it would be more prudent to send robots to mine and refine the ore. Our robotic tech currently is still isnt advanced enough but it is more likely to be the best option much earlier than any other options.
*Fun Fact:* If we did have the means and funding to do asteroid mining, the value of the material would plummet. A great example of this is De Beers Diamond Consortium in the mid 1900's. There has already been enough diamond mined to eviscerate the value of diamonds, but because of artificial scarcity and advertising, I mean "Propaganda", the price remains high. People and corporations are too greedy to let this happen, and that's somewhat of a bad thing.
3:26 earth do be thicc
Kyle has never disappointed. Kevin on the other hand(s)...
Sponsored by EA. Cmon
I think once you mine deep enough to get into the planet core it becomes substantially more profitable in the bigger scale than just mining and finding small asteroids all the time. Especially if you you are in huge demand of raw materials which is the case in DS universe.
Thanks! Amazing video Kyle 😎 super amazing editing
12:20
The Expanse does a fairly good job of showing this stuff off too
Hey Kyle, what about the physics that would go into lifting a huge chuck of a planet with gravity tethers and how would it affect the planet itself? Would it cause a massive planet-wide event like in Dead Space Aftermath? Would it affect the ship's gravity?
Inst the stuff in aftermath because the gravity tethers and stabilizers began to malfunction, because a huge chunk falled back into it?
@@peterwhite6415 Perhaps, but the Marker caused him to go crazy and ultimately damage the tether and bring everything down.
Either the ship, the ground side, or a mixture of both would be needed to lift the planet chunk from the surface into orbit. Depending on how much of it was taken up at a time you would have small gravity variation as the centroid of gravity was moved. The real fun is that you are taking a giant hole in the planet meaning the atmosphere will flow into the hole to fill it, let alone any air currents being caused by the change (to see an example, check out the Mir/Mirny mine that has sucked helicopters into it).
For the ship's gravity, the planet chunk might not be large enough to affect the ship. The ship's gravity is 1G from the gravity plates, and even if the chunk was a sphere 1000 km wide and massing 2.755*10^18 tons (assuming the chunk was the same density as Earth), then the gravity when standing on the surface of the chunk would be about .075 Gs. (Gravity magnitude is equal to gravitational constant, times the mass of the body, divided by the square of the distance to that body's center)
Now what the chunk will do is impose a maneuvering penalty due to the sheer mass of it resulting in inertia.
The USG Ishimura actually did mine asteroids as well as small planetary bodies. It's in the lore.
It's okay - I too sometimes comment on videos without watching the entire thing.
its almost as if, that was covered in the video that you're commenting on
Strip mining small planets such as mars for resources to make O'Neil cylinders appears to probably be cheaper per unit of liveable area constructed then terraforming the same planet. Mostly because terraforming planets is ludicrously difficult, and the infrastructure needed to mine all of the asteroids is likely to make energy relatively cheap.
I was going to comment on how having a ship large enough to fully envelope an asteroid would actually be the best way to mine asteroids. Apparently, the creators of dead space had already figured that out. If you could take a whole asteroid into your ship, it would make breaking it down into the desired parts and discarding the rest much easier. Except for the tractor beam used, they basically had the correct answer for space mining.