Great review pal - I've owned this for almost a year and just reviewed myself. I've had a few comments re condensation, but I've had no issues with this and like you, believe the 2.2 version with the extra door & vent has alleviated this to a huge degree. Many people don't realise that condensation is almost inevitable in certain conditions. I find this a great, lightweight tent for when the conditions are right and a brilliant piece of engineering by Nordisk - ATB, Chris
Cheers Chris, I've been following your exploits with the 2.2 for a little while now 👍. I've got your latest review on my "Watch Later" playlist, so I'll be checking it out soon. I agree with your point ref 'condensation', whilst there's some things that we can go course do to minimise it, it's inescapable - science! 😂 I'm based in North Wales mate, so if you're ever over this way and fancy a night on the hills then let me know bud.
Thanks for taking the time to upload this, I bought this a couple of weeks ago but haven’t had time to get out yet. Tomorrow will be its maiden voyage. 😁
Watching the door flappage whilst you’re scoffing the chocolate mush, if you watch the Petra Hilleberg Akto setup video, they explain how to role the door to stop that flapping. Worth a go. 💪🏻 Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
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About packing the whole tent away in the pocket - gather the four corners with the end poles inside to one side and then stuff the tent into the pocket leaving the four corners til last so you can carefully place them last into the pocket. I then pull the tension straps tight and put the main pole folded up through the tension straps but outside the pocket. This method means stuffing the tent into the pocket is quick and easy but avoids any of the poles damaging the tent fabric.
I figured out a similar way but I just roll the tent in a traditional fashion with the foot end guyines left draping out and then slot it into the slightly larger stuff that came with it. I find it a little easier to do with wet and cold fingers.
Been looking at this tent as a lightweight alternative to my 2.4kg kuiu storm star. Looks like it handled the wind ok. Thanks for putting together a brilliant video and review 😊
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Been looking at this tent but not sure about it yet. How do u find the distance between your head and the tent is it minimal? ( at the head end not at the highest point?)
Hi mate. I’m here for the precise reason you set out to address. I love my Soulo but sick of lumping it up 4-5 Wainwright’s on a single trek in conditions that doesn’t necessitate its use. So I’m looking for a light summer tent. Got my eye on this and the Alpkit Soloist. Neither perfect, but you don’t need perfection in good conditions do you? I’ve always liked the look of the 2.2 but just the odd story I hear about condensation and dodgy performance in high wind has stopped me adding to cart and pulling the trigger. On peaks the wind can kick up when not forecast. Have you has any further camps in high wind since this video? Thanks very much for such an informative video 👍
+Simon Keller Hi Simon and firstly many thanks for dropping by, watching and commenting, it's really appreciated 👍. I've also seen/heard/read some of the stories about the condensation/high wind performance but at present I haven't seen any evidence of the condensation issue (I always sleep in a very well ventilated tent though) and I've been really fortunate with the weather this Summer and haven't really experienced any significant winds to speak of so don't have any data to share with you about it's performance in windy conditions. Keep an eye on the channel though as I've got some high level trips planned in the coming weeks, so that may provide some testing conditions.
Just wanted to say thank you for such a comprehensive overview! One concern I have with this tent is how close the fabric is to your face when you're sleeping and whether it might touch your face in windy conditions? Do you have any experience of this? I'm on a 4 inch sleeping pad (Sea to Summit Ether Light) and use an inflatable pillow and I've experienced this before in tents which are pitched all in one (i.e. not inner/outer separately) as they tend to be held together more loosely by elasticated cords where the inner can dangle into your face. I've read a lot of reviews complaining about condensation issues in this tent but I have a feeling the 2.2 might reduce this problem with the dual vents for more airflow. Also, pay no attention to the hilleberg fanatics. There is a tonne of snobbery in this industry and as you say, the use case is completely different. Hillebergs are much much heavier and I often think complete overkill in 95% of UK conditions.
+oling2812 Hi oling2812 and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment, it's really appreciated. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the positive feedback, cheers! My face or feet were not in contact with the inner. I'm 6' 2" and use a Thermarest NeoAir if that helps at all. Whilst there was a light to moderate breeze throughout the evening / night there certainly wasn't enough to 'bounce' the inner around, so that may also be worth factoring in. I do believe that the inclusion of a second door and associated ventilation is a direct response by Nordisk to try and overcome the condensation/ventilation issues that affected previous versions of this tent. Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already, I'd really appreciate it, cheers! 👍
I'm glad that you're also having a good experience with Nordisk, which particular tent are you using? Don't forget to subscribe if you'd like to see more from my channel in the future.
@@TheBushcraftPadawan I've subscribed, I'm sure I did last time when I commented, but for some reason I wasn't... I'm using the Svalbard 1 PU - th-cam.com/video/yvE-2BuRzR0/w-d-xo.html
Great channel. I've been looking for a tent which is light enough for long distance multi day hikes (and has some liveability space) but robust enough to withstand the UK's 4 seasons. I nearly went for the Nordisk 2.2. It is light and seems strong but I wonder how it would fare in really bad weather on the tops and it also seems a little cramped. Instead I've gone for for the Scarpa 1 by Tarptent. It is 4 season, spacious and is only 1.3 kg. Admittedly, the extra cross poles for 4 season weather are an extra 350g. With shipping and duties, it came to £520...a tad cheaper than the Nordisk?? But 1.7kg for long distance hiking? I might live to regret that :) Have you looked into the scarp 1? Rgds Imran
Hi Imran and thanks for dropping by my channel. I definitely don't think the 2.2 could be classed as a 4 season tent, that's when I'd call upon my Hilleberg Soulo. How are you getting on with the Scarp 1?
@@TheBushcraftPadawan Already subbed mate. My mate is on the lookout for a new tent ⛺️ and he is looking at this one. I'm checking out some reviews. Great channel. ATB Tam
Hi Limke, thanks for watching and commenting it's really appreciated. The tent would definitely fit 2 people (snugly) however the 2nd rucksack would need some thinking about as it only has one porch. I usually use a small 30l pack in the summer (when I'm normally using this tent) which packs away to almost nothing so the 2nd pack doesn't really cause an issue. Don't forget to subscribe if you'd like to see more from my channel 👍
Enjoyed that vid and sub’d I’m looking at a lightweight 2 man tent and this looks to fit the bill, what is the headroom like inside me and my brother are around 5” 9’ - 5” 10’ would we be able to sit up in it? Cheers Mark
Hi Mark, I'm 6' 2" and cannot sit up straight, but you may be able to get away with it if you're not as gangly as me. Good luck with your plans and don't forget to subscribe if you'd like to see more from my channel 👍
thank you for this nice review, but I do not see in any video if the tent is high enough to sit comfortably inside without having your back arched, to change for example? thank you for your answer
+Her ren Hi Her ren and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment, it's really appreciated. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the positive feedback, cheers! I'd have to say that unless you were significantly shorter than I am (6' 2") I think you would struggle to sit upright in this tent. I've personally got changed out of wet kit and into dry kit several times inside this tent and whilst it's certainly possible, it isn't particularly easy. Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already, I'd really appreciate it, cheers! 👍
Hi! First thing, I have subscribed. I bought this tent earlier in the year and have taken it out on Dartmoor twice since. My report: it is very noisy, even in a light breeze - although I also had some strong wind coming through too. I had to tension it until I thought the seams would bust to reduce the flapping. The expanding vestibule (or reducing sleeping bay) is a fun thing but when your kit is lying on the soaked grass its not great fun. Second time out I had organised a footprint from nordisk. I had some heavy rain and had hoped to see the outer completely free of water in the morning as I have become accustomed over years with my Rab hooped bivvy. No, the Telemark 2.2 LW does not repel the water. So, I'm taking a micro fibre cloth next time. I don't like stuffing away a wet tent and separating the inner and outer to keep the sleeping bay dry looks like it would be a massive faff, especially because I like to pitch at last light and be gone soon after dawn. I.e. not much light and lots of clipping in amongst wet flappy material.
When I bought this tent last year I was doubting to buy or not to buy the footprint but I am so glad I did! It fits exactly under the tent and the most important thing, everything in the vestibule stays dry! A little bit extra weight but it’s a very very light tent so it’s worth the extra grams. Greetings from a Dutch girl who likes to pitch her tent everywhere 😊
I’ve just bought the telemark 1 LW on the second hand market. There was a small 150mm long aluminium tube in the tent peg pack, does anyone know what it’s purpose is because, I’m stumped 🤔
@@silaswild6233 oh dear. Somebody really hurt your delicate feelings tonight didn't they? I for one am pleased that they did, because it's led to you visiting my channel, clicking on a video and commenting - all of which helps to lead to engagement on my channel. Thank you delicate boy. ❤️
@@silaswild6233 the sudden splurge of diarrhea -riddled comments that you have left on my channel this evening suggests you've not had a good night's sleep or your Mummy has sent you to bed with no pudding. Try not to get too upset at other people's videos and have an early night. I'm a little busy at the moment but once I get some time later I'll head over to your TH-cam channel to see how the professionals do it, I'm sure I'll learn a great deal.
@@silaswild6233 I'd be interested to hear where you believe I have become angry. On the contrary I've expressed thanks for you increasing engagement on my channel and have indicated that when time allows I'll head over to your channel to see how it should be done. Still not entirely sure what has triggered you this evening but as you say TH-cam is an open platform that attracts all walks of life.
Horses for courses Craig. Hilleberg are at the top of the tree for Tents. Other manufacturers can fight it out for other needs. Like the Telemark LW 2p
Where’s the snobbyness ? Just fact. I have an Akto multiple handed off fleaBay. I’ve a Coleman Phad x3, a Polish Lavvu (multi purpose kit) Jack Wolfskin Gossamer 11 Tent Tipi Safir CP9, Swedish Bivi bag m80 Italian Bivi bag central zip. Horses for courses. It’s just factual, Hilleberg make great tents. I’m no fan boy, but if you watch the video your door would stay flappage free.
@@Yorkshiremadmick I had a Hilli, corners leaked, the fabric creates a condensation trap, stretches when wet forcing me out in the wet night to retention etc etc. Worst tent I ever had. Luckily they finally gave me a refund for the leaky corners after weeks of calling me a liar. Crap tents and crap company. Love the innovation of this nordisk tent.
@@waddo Never heard of this before? Akto have a known issue above the door. No great deal to seam seal where leak is. Certainly I disagree with crap tents & company but that’s your stance and nothing will change that.
@@Yorkshiremadmick It might not be with intent, but you come across as arrogant. Many tent manufacturers are on par with Hilleberg. Helsport, Locus Gear, Samaya are perhaps even better. Besides, Hilleberg (and the other brands mentioned) are over engineered for the requirements of most campers. Tell me, do you need a trawler to go fishing?
Great review pal - I've owned this for almost a year and just reviewed myself. I've had a few comments re condensation, but I've had no issues with this and like you, believe the 2.2 version with the extra door & vent has alleviated this to a huge degree. Many people don't realise that condensation is almost inevitable in certain conditions. I find this a great, lightweight tent for when the conditions are right and a brilliant piece of engineering by Nordisk - ATB, Chris
Cheers Chris, I've been following your exploits with the 2.2 for a little while now 👍.
I've got your latest review on my "Watch Later" playlist, so I'll be checking it out soon.
I agree with your point ref 'condensation', whilst there's some things that we can go course do to minimise it, it's inescapable - science! 😂
I'm based in North Wales mate, so if you're ever over this way and fancy a night on the hills then let me know bud.
@@TheBushcraftPadawan Absolutely pal - a camp in Snowdonia with a craft beer or two sounds good for 2022 ! ATB pal !
Thanks for taking the time to upload this, I bought this a couple of weeks ago but haven’t had time to get out yet. Tomorrow will be its maiden voyage. 😁
You're very welcome. I hope your maiden voyage was a success.
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@@TheBushcraftPadawan had to postpone due to the poor weather. Will subscribe. 😄
Watching the door flappage whilst you’re scoffing the chocolate mush, if you watch the Petra Hilleberg Akto setup video, they explain how to role the door to stop that flapping.
Worth a go. 💪🏻
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏻
I had a little bet with myself that one of your comments would start off with "Petra Hilleberg says..." 😉
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About packing the whole tent away in the pocket - gather the four corners with the end poles inside to one side and then stuff the tent into the pocket leaving the four corners til last so you can carefully place them last into the pocket. I then pull the tension straps tight and put the main pole folded up through the tension straps but outside the pocket. This method means stuffing the tent into the pocket is quick and easy but avoids any of the poles damaging the tent fabric.
I figured out a similar way but I just roll the tent in a traditional fashion with the foot end guyines left draping out and then slot it into the slightly larger stuff that came with it. I find it a little easier to do with wet and cold fingers.
Thank you very much!
You're very welcome. I hope you enjoyed the video and please consider subscribing if you'd like to see more from my channel in the future.
Been looking at this tent as a lightweight alternative to my 2.4kg kuiu storm star. Looks like it handled the wind ok. Thanks for putting together a brilliant video and review 😊
Hi Adge_ventures and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment, it's really appreciated.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the positive feedback, cheers!
Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already, I'd really appreciate it, cheers! 👍
Been looking at this tent but not sure about it yet. How do u find the distance between your head and the tent is it minimal? ( at the head end not at the highest point?)
As I'm 6' 2" I struggle with the length of most of these lightweight/compact tents, but it's never been to the point of the inner being in my face.
Hi mate. I’m here for the precise reason you set out to address. I love my Soulo but sick of lumping it up 4-5 Wainwright’s on a single trek in conditions that doesn’t necessitate its use. So I’m looking for a light summer tent. Got my eye on this and the Alpkit Soloist. Neither perfect, but you don’t need perfection in good conditions do you? I’ve always liked the look of the 2.2 but just the odd story I hear about condensation and dodgy performance in high wind has stopped me adding to cart and pulling the trigger. On peaks the wind can kick up when not forecast. Have you has any further camps in high wind since this video? Thanks very much for such an informative video 👍
+Simon Keller Hi Simon and firstly many thanks for dropping by, watching and commenting, it's really appreciated 👍.
I've also seen/heard/read some of the stories about the condensation/high wind performance but at present I haven't seen any evidence of the condensation issue (I always sleep in a very well ventilated tent though) and I've been really fortunate with the weather this Summer and haven't really experienced any significant winds to speak of so don't have any data to share with you about it's performance in windy conditions.
Keep an eye on the channel though as I've got some high level trips planned in the coming weeks, so that may provide some testing conditions.
@@TheBushcraftPadawan thanks for taking the time to reply and the info mate. Subscribed!
Just wanted to say thank you for such a comprehensive overview! One concern I have with this tent is how close the fabric is to your face when you're sleeping and whether it might touch your face in windy conditions? Do you have any experience of this? I'm on a 4 inch sleeping pad (Sea to Summit Ether Light) and use an inflatable pillow and I've experienced this before in tents which are pitched all in one (i.e. not inner/outer separately) as they tend to be held together more loosely by elasticated cords where the inner can dangle into your face. I've read a lot of reviews complaining about condensation issues in this tent but I have a feeling the 2.2 might reduce this problem with the dual vents for more airflow.
Also, pay no attention to the hilleberg fanatics. There is a tonne of snobbery in this industry and as you say, the use case is completely different. Hillebergs are much much heavier and I often think complete overkill in 95% of UK conditions.
+oling2812 Hi oling2812 and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment, it's really appreciated.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the positive feedback, cheers!
My face or feet were not in contact with the inner. I'm 6' 2" and use a Thermarest NeoAir if that helps at all. Whilst there was a light to moderate breeze throughout the evening / night there certainly wasn't enough to 'bounce' the inner around, so that may also be worth factoring in.
I do believe that the inclusion of a second door and associated ventilation is a direct response by Nordisk to try and overcome the condensation/ventilation issues that affected previous versions of this tent.
Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already, I'd really appreciate it, cheers! 👍
I like my Nordisk tent, feels really good quality even though I've got their cheapest tent. This looks great size for the weight and pack size.
I'm glad that you're also having a good experience with Nordisk, which particular tent are you using?
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@@TheBushcraftPadawan I've subscribed, I'm sure I did last time when I commented, but for some reason I wasn't...
I'm using the Svalbard 1 PU - th-cam.com/video/yvE-2BuRzR0/w-d-xo.html
Great channel.
I've been looking for a tent which is light enough for long distance multi day hikes (and has some liveability space) but robust enough to withstand the UK's 4 seasons. I nearly went for the Nordisk 2.2. It is light and seems strong but I wonder how it would fare in really bad weather on the tops and it also seems a little cramped.
Instead I've gone for for the Scarpa 1 by Tarptent. It is 4 season, spacious and is only 1.3 kg. Admittedly, the extra cross poles for 4 season weather are an extra 350g.
With shipping and duties, it came to £520...a tad cheaper than the Nordisk??
But 1.7kg for long distance hiking? I might live to regret that :)
Have you looked into the scarp 1?
Rgds
Imran
Hi Imran and thanks for dropping by my channel.
I definitely don't think the 2.2 could be classed as a 4 season tent, that's when I'd call upon my Hilleberg Soulo.
How are you getting on with the Scarp 1?
Telemark 1 can take 26 m/s wind the Telemark 2 18 m/s wind. 3 season only both.
Great review 👏 👌
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for the feedback.
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@@TheBushcraftPadawan
Already subbed mate.
My mate is on the lookout for a new tent ⛺️ and he is looking at this one.
I'm checking out some reviews.
Great channel.
ATB
Tam
Thank you so much for this great review!
Would this tent fit 2 people+backpacks?
Hi Limke, thanks for watching and commenting it's really appreciated.
The tent would definitely fit 2 people (snugly) however the 2nd rucksack would need some thinking about as it only has one porch. I usually use a small 30l pack in the summer (when I'm normally using this tent) which packs away to almost nothing so the 2nd pack doesn't really cause an issue.
Don't forget to subscribe if you'd like to see more from my channel 👍
Enjoyed that vid and sub’d I’m looking at a lightweight 2 man tent and this looks to fit the bill, what is the headroom like inside me and my brother are around 5” 9’ - 5” 10’ would we be able to sit up in it? Cheers Mark
Hi Mark, I'm 6' 2" and cannot sit up straight, but you may be able to get away with it if you're not as gangly as me.
Good luck with your plans and don't forget to subscribe if you'd like to see more from my channel 👍
get in early for the new vid!
You were quick off the mark, thanks for dropping by and don't forget to sub if you'd like to see more from my channel.
@@TheBushcraftPadawan already subbed, and love the vids. great content, cheers fella
@@owainduffey9983 Then you're a 🌟, thank you 👍
thank you for this nice review,
but I do not see in any video if the tent is high enough to sit comfortably inside without having your back arched, to change for example?
thank you for your answer
+Her ren Hi Her ren and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment, it's really appreciated.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the positive feedback, cheers!
I'd have to say that unless you were significantly shorter than I am (6' 2") I think you would struggle to sit upright in this tent. I've personally got changed out of wet kit and into dry kit several times inside this tent and whilst it's certainly possible, it isn't particularly easy.
Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already, I'd really appreciate it, cheers! 👍
@@TheBushcraftPadawan Thanks for your honest response. I think I choose the rainbow then. Hello from France
@@RJ6713 You're very welcome 👍
Great review
Hi! First thing, I have subscribed. I bought this tent earlier in the year and have taken it out on Dartmoor twice since. My report: it is very noisy, even in a light breeze - although I also had some strong wind coming through too. I had to tension it until I thought the seams would bust to reduce the flapping. The expanding vestibule (or reducing sleeping bay) is a fun thing but when your kit is lying on the soaked grass its not great fun. Second time out I had organised a footprint from nordisk.
I had some heavy rain and had hoped to see the outer completely free of water in the morning as I have become accustomed over years with my Rab hooped bivvy. No, the Telemark 2.2 LW does not repel the water. So, I'm taking a micro fibre cloth next time. I don't like stuffing away a wet tent and separating the inner and outer to keep the sleeping bay dry looks like it would be a massive faff, especially because I like to pitch at last light and be gone soon after dawn. I.e. not much light and lots of clipping in amongst wet flappy material.
When I bought this tent last year I was doubting to buy or not to buy the footprint but I am so glad I did! It fits exactly under the tent and the most important thing, everything in the vestibule stays dry! A little bit extra weight but it’s a very very light tent so it’s worth the extra grams. Greetings from a Dutch girl who likes to pitch her tent everywhere 😊
I’ve just bought the telemark 1 LW on the second hand market. There was a small 150mm long aluminium tube in the tent peg pack, does anyone know what it’s purpose is because, I’m stumped 🤔
Without seeing I can't be certain, but I suspect it's for a temporary tent pole repair.
I subscribed because of “swamped” and “gopping”…not terms I often hear these days :)
LOL - these phrases should definitely be in every day usage, right?
@@silaswild6233 oh dear. Somebody really hurt your delicate feelings tonight didn't they? I for one am pleased that they did, because it's led to you visiting my channel, clicking on a video and commenting - all of which helps to lead to engagement on my channel. Thank you delicate boy. ❤️
@@silaswild6233 the sudden splurge of diarrhea -riddled comments that you have left on my channel this evening suggests you've not had a good night's sleep or your Mummy has sent you to bed with no pudding. Try not to get too upset at other people's videos and have an early night.
I'm a little busy at the moment but once I get some time later I'll head over to your TH-cam channel to see how the professionals do it, I'm sure I'll learn a great deal.
@@silaswild6233 I'd be interested to hear where you believe I have become angry. On the contrary I've expressed thanks for you increasing engagement on my channel and have indicated that when time allows I'll head over to your channel to see how it should be done.
Still not entirely sure what has triggered you this evening but as you say TH-cam is an open platform that attracts all walks of life.
Thats why I dont like tents in wind conditions.
It really wasn't windy, just a breeze.
@@TheBushcraftPadawan And look at the tent with just a breeze.
LOL. It's fabric, it's supposed to flap. The strength comes from the tie out points and pole, not the rigidity of the fabric.
@@TheBushcraftPadawanMy bivi doesn’t.
Good for you, enjoy it! 👍
Horses for courses Craig.
Hilleberg are at the top of the tree for Tents.
Other manufacturers can fight it out for other needs. Like the Telemark LW 2p
Rather a broad statement to make Michael, it completely depends on perspective/requirements.
Let's not let snobiness creep into the outdoors
Where’s the snobbyness ? Just fact.
I have an Akto multiple handed off fleaBay. I’ve a Coleman Phad x3, a Polish Lavvu (multi purpose kit) Jack Wolfskin Gossamer 11
Tent Tipi Safir CP9, Swedish Bivi bag m80
Italian Bivi bag central zip.
Horses for courses.
It’s just factual, Hilleberg make great tents.
I’m no fan boy, but if you watch the video your door would stay flappage free.
@@Yorkshiremadmick I had a Hilli, corners leaked, the fabric creates a condensation trap, stretches when wet forcing me out in the wet night to retention etc etc. Worst tent I ever had. Luckily they finally gave me a refund for the leaky corners after weeks of calling me a liar. Crap tents and crap company. Love the innovation of this nordisk tent.
@@waddo
Never heard of this before? Akto have a known issue above the door. No great deal to seam seal where leak is. Certainly I disagree with crap tents & company but that’s your stance and nothing will change that.
@@Yorkshiremadmick It might not be with intent, but you come across as arrogant. Many tent manufacturers are on par with Hilleberg. Helsport, Locus Gear, Samaya are perhaps even better. Besides, Hilleberg (and the other brands mentioned) are over engineered for the requirements of most campers. Tell me, do you need a trawler to go fishing?