Hey! Great delivery and vibe here on your channel! Just so happens that an old friend and colleague Robert Knox, was the chief tech at CP during that time and told me many stories about the Mutt sessions. Including the AMS gear that really shaped the sound of the drums on that record. And, of course, it holds up as one of the great rock records of all time. I really enjoy listening to your descriptions and breakdowns. Keep up that great work!
Excellent and fun little video, again! 👍 BTW not just the AMS, or the less known BEL delay, a cheaper lifesaver in those early days of "sample replacing" (we called it "triggering") back then in the 80s was the humble Yamaha SPX 90 and 90II - it had a "Freeze" program, that would freeze a sound in its volatile little memory, which we could then trigger to replay. Magic. Iffy and often not so precise and requiring some trial & error poking around, but early magic. 😉
the sc gate idea along w/ the 910 idea is sick! also listing the studio & equipment used adds another dimension to the vids that (imo) separate em from other YT vids. killer!
Surely there's a way to automated the snare hits to 'fail' with automation that would be fairly simple to replicate with other effects if not these. Good stuff, really enjoyed the video!
Can you see if you can do the Bulls on Parade snare? I tried for ages, and couldn't get it. It's so unique, like papery and thin, but not at the same time. This sounds similar, like the bark from the snare rather than body.
Ive tried (and failed) so many times to get the Bottrill snare from the Tool albums, mainly the Lateralus album. Yes, i term it as the Bottrill snare. Theres this low end punch that comes like maybe like 40ms after his initial snare hit which i cant seem to replicate. I also hear a saturated click layered to the toms that disperse/whooshes into stereo verb into the 16ks or something. Dont get me wrong, Danny Carreys an amazing drummer with crazy kit setup but im pretty sure a lot of the uniqueness of his sound comes from Bottrills treatment. Be great if you can spill the beans on that lol.
kinda different, but any chance you could breakdown some 2000's numetal high pitched snare sounds? (deftones, soad, limp bizkit etc) i love that sound and i feel like they are harder to achive then "modern metal" snares and also there are not to much content about it especially the mixing aspect. you already pretty close to god status but that video would tip it for me! hehe thanks for the quality content!
they didnt get it to trigger on every 2nd hit, i just looped that section so you could hear the difference between those two. It's more random on the album just like the plugin response.
Another great video. While we’re at it, you should do a deep dive into Ben grosse. To me, and this is a largely controversial take, the mix (but equal parts the recording) of disambiguation by underoath is one the most “wow” level productions because how it has so much going on but it’s so massive and tight but also mushy and smeared at the same time. It’s like a contradiction in a way. It’s crazy ambient but clear, it’s mushy and messy but tight, it’s massive and wobbly low end but controlled. It’s the mix version of a waiter in a restaurant carrying 20 different plates and walking without bumping into people where you’re looking at him wincing that he’s an inch or two away from dropping the whole thing
@ there is a deluxe version with the stems and wow. Especially the drums oof. You can tell that the recording and room had a lot to do with it but the mix is also impressive. Total control of chaos
the drum track of Back In Black that you are using is an AI isolated track. there are no versions of the original tracks on the internet without AI. you are not hearing mistriggering of the eventide, you are hearing what happens in AI isolations when it cannot understand what reverb is and/or what instrument it belongs to. The snare hits that fall in between the guitar stabs are the ones you are attributing to the triggering working, where the ones without as much reverb are falling on the guitar/bass stabs. Listen to an AI isolated drum track of "when the levee breaks". Before the instruments come in it sounds great, and then once they come in you hear a ton of fidelity lost in the drum isolation attempt along with a loss of reverb. I have done hundreds of AI isolations and notice it in all of them. I'm sure there are spots in the tracks that had mistriggering but this example is not one of them.
@@tanneryordan I understand your point about AI iso, but during the main riff of BiB, no snares hit at the same time as the guitar/bass stabs, so that’s kind of irrelevant here. The sound of the H910 output confirms the difference in sound between hits quite clearly.
@@JPHenryAudio Not trying to rip on you, I track live rock bands all the time and have to deal with bad tuning, bad dynamics in the playing, all the hats and snare toms cymbals all jammed so close together because the drummer has little to no studio experience. So im just jealous 😄
This channel just keeps getting better and better. Thank you so much!
thanks again!!
A Randy staub/Bob rock series would be dope as hell
that's on the way!! Those two guys are the reason I got into sound engineering in the first place.
More gold, more gratitude from me...
Hey! Great delivery and vibe here on your channel! Just so happens that an old friend and colleague Robert Knox, was the chief tech at CP during that time and told me many stories about the Mutt sessions. Including the AMS gear that really shaped the sound of the drums on that record. And, of course, it holds up as one of the great rock records of all time. I really enjoy listening to your descriptions and breakdowns. Keep up that great work!
Thanks for the kind words, and very cool!! I've heard stories of Mutt using a wall of AMS delays for time-aligning drumset mics, etc.
Excellent and fun little video, again!
👍
BTW not just the AMS, or the less known BEL delay, a cheaper lifesaver in those early days of "sample replacing" (we called it "triggering") back then in the 80s was the humble Yamaha SPX 90 and 90II - it had a "Freeze" program, that would freeze a sound in its volatile little memory, which we could then trigger to replay. Magic. Iffy and often not so precise and requiring some trial & error poking around, but early magic.
😉
ah very cool! I think i've heard of that but never actually tried it
the sc gate idea along w/ the 910 idea is sick! also listing the studio & equipment used adds another dimension to the vids that (imo) separate em from other YT vids. killer!
thanks so much!!
Surely there's a way to automated the snare hits to 'fail' with automation that would be fairly simple to replicate with other effects if not these.
Good stuff, really enjoyed the video!
Oh sure! Just automate some Mutes on the harmonizer channel, randomly. The level varies slightly as well.
Awesome stuff! 🤘🏼🥁
One more awesome video!
thanks so much!
Can you see if you can do the Bulls on Parade snare? I tried for ages, and couldn't get it. It's so unique, like papery and thin, but not at the same time. This sounds similar, like the bark from the snare rather than body.
Ive tried (and failed) so many times to get the Bottrill snare from the Tool albums, mainly the Lateralus album. Yes, i term it as the Bottrill snare. Theres this low end punch that comes like maybe like 40ms after his initial snare hit which i cant seem to replicate. I also hear a saturated click layered to the toms that disperse/whooshes into stereo verb into the 16ks or something. Dont get me wrong, Danny Carreys an amazing drummer with crazy kit setup but im pretty sure a lot of the uniqueness of his sound comes from Bottrills treatment. Be great if you can spill the beans on that lol.
@@MisterGribbles ah, the solid bronze cast 8x14!! Sounds like a gunshot. Hate to say it, but you might really need that same drum.
kinda different, but any chance you could breakdown some 2000's numetal high pitched snare sounds? (deftones, soad, limp bizkit etc) i love that sound and i feel like they are harder to achive then "modern metal" snares and also there are not to much content about it especially the mixing aspect. you already pretty close to god status but that video would tip it for me! hehe
thanks for the quality content!
Yep! I'll be using a Bizkit-ish drum track for my Brendan O'brien videos coming along soon. Took a while to find the right example.
@@JPHenryAudioawesome! Cant wait!
Nice one. How did they get they in the end HT910 to trigger so regularly on each 2nd hit, whereas yours triggers at random here.
they didnt get it to trigger on every 2nd hit, i just looped that section so you could hear the difference between those two. It's more random on the album just like the plugin response.
There so much mids to the BIB loop that seems to be missing. Not sure why - just my ears. that 600-1.5K is crazy
Nice one! If you can, do some more Terry Date drums stuff
I’ll look into that! Got some TD vocals & more guitars on the way
Another great video. While we’re at it, you should do a deep dive into Ben grosse. To me, and this is a largely controversial take, the mix (but equal parts the recording) of disambiguation by underoath is one the most “wow” level productions because how it has so much going on but it’s so massive and tight but also mushy and smeared at the same time. It’s like a contradiction in a way. It’s crazy ambient but clear, it’s mushy and messy but tight, it’s massive and wobbly low end but controlled. It’s the mix version of a waiter in a restaurant carrying 20 different plates and walking without bumping into people where you’re looking at him wincing that he’s an inch or two away from dropping the whole thing
I'll look into that, thanks for the suggestion!
@ there is a deluxe version with the stems and wow. Especially the drums oof. You can tell that the recording and room had a lot to do with it but the mix is also impressive. Total control of chaos
Ben Grosse did an amazing job on Sevendust's "Animosity" album too.
Why does the gated send track have no panning controls on it?
Bc it has only has a Mono output, Bus 3.
@ haha missed that, very cool video - gonna snag the Lindell compressor - I use the channel strip all the time.
@@gabevan5227 it's great! Best 2254 of them all
the DMX had sampling capability during this time.
ah, thanks! I think it was the stereo sampling that came later, or just longer memory storage.
the drum track of Back In Black that you are using is an AI isolated track. there are no versions of the original tracks on the internet without AI. you are not hearing mistriggering of the eventide, you are hearing what happens in AI isolations when it cannot understand what reverb is and/or what instrument it belongs to. The snare hits that fall in between the guitar stabs are the ones you are attributing to the triggering working, where the ones without as much reverb are falling on the guitar/bass stabs. Listen to an AI isolated drum track of "when the levee breaks". Before the instruments come in it sounds great, and then once they come in you hear a ton of fidelity lost in the drum isolation attempt along with a loss of reverb.
I have done hundreds of AI isolations and notice it in all of them. I'm sure there are spots in the tracks that had mistriggering but this example is not one of them.
@@tanneryordan I understand your point about AI iso, but during the main riff of BiB, no snares hit at the same time as the guitar/bass stabs, so that’s kind of irrelevant here.
The sound of the H910 output confirms the difference in sound between hits quite clearly.
Can you do a tutorial on the Woody Brown techniques?
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Your past nominal in your tracks
you should see me on tape!
Impressive how isolated your snack mic is, zero bleed. Oh wait it’s fake drums 😂
yeah, i didnt claim to have tracked them or anything... just found a multitrack that worked for the example.
@@JPHenryAudio Not trying to rip on you, I track live rock bands all the time and have to deal with bad tuning, bad dynamics in the playing, all the hats and snare toms cymbals all jammed so close together because the drummer has little to no studio experience. So im just jealous 😄