BIG CAMSHAFT VS SMALL CAMSHAFT: You won't believe the power difference!
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Glad you cleared those up for so many. You also cleared up how many car seats fit across the 2nd row in the Atlas. I have the same two boosters for my two little ones and a forward facing car seat for my youngest. They all fit! Getting a traverse with the full second row.
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Excellent vlog. Very informative. Thanks!
I have a custom CSP cam in my LS1 C5. Love the way it idles and drivability is spot on with Andrew’s tune. You can hear it in several of my videos. There’s a lot of truth in this video. No need to sacrifice drivability for power. 👍
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This is a great video. I try to tell people this all the time, but they never listen.
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Super interesting! Thanks for doing it!
Your lips knocked my phone outta my hand
Goddamn 😂
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"Inflate to 35 psi"
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This is whats lovely about turbo cars. It's still very tame and streetable but capable of making 1200 horse when needed.
Yeah just 5 grand or so every time it goes bad not to mention different when you run it and go to cut it off too quick and having oil bake in and onto the turbine blades
If your rebuilding that often you should probably just stop building lol
Very good,a lot of recap but you made your point and it should make cam buyers think.
Absolutely correct about the "stage" thing! It is absolute B.S.!
Super big likes there! Very informative
Yes do heads ported 243 or 799's with 2.02 intake valves.
Wish you were in Central Florida Andrew, you would be my "go to" guy for sure.
Very thorough and very informative video. Very well explained. Really enjoyed and learned a lot from this video. 💯✌🏾
What was the camshaft specs please let me know
The car must have felt much more lively on the street with that flatter torque curve
I love this video! Especially the Outro! Lol
We used to put in big cams and then use roads lifters A very good combination good performance and good drivability
Rhodes lifters are awesome!
Great info,,, thanks for sharing.
It's so important to size the cam for what your heads will flow. Exuast, compression ratio. Diff gears, manifold runner lengths. What a difference Andrew. Sounds awesome now 😊🔥🔥💯👍🤜🤛😎🤙
Great vid just subbed
I’m running a pcm of NC, V3 cam in my tbss it comes alive up top
Great video. I wish more people would watch this video. I went through this big cam stuff back in the day. For my C5 I threw a little 228/230 .585/.585 112 lsa and it made more power than my buddy's big cam in his C5. I learned the hard way 15 years ago. My C5 made shy of 400whp and 388wtq in the end and it still chops nicely.
I have that same camshaft in my Chevelle
Ss2?
@@shifthappens8475 mine is a ss2
@@shifthappens8475 idle vids on my page
My builder did the same for me I wanted the biggest cam and he talked me out of it.. Still have the chop but great power and drivability👌
From my understanding a good tuner can all but eliminate any surge you have
Yeah but the right cam always makes more power
@@s.v.gadder1443 absolutely
Great video! For cam buck, there's a little trick that deeply geared Jeep drivers use: Take your right foot while on the gas and rotate it slightly to the right, allowing it to contact the transmission tunnel. Use the tunnel as a brace to keep your foot from moving up and down... also better than slipping the clutch. :)
Man I wish I had the money to afford to buy that car off you when your done with it if you decide to sell it. The C5 Z06 is one of my all time favorite cars and y’alls work is top notch. That car, whatever you decided to do to it will be transformed into a solid ripper! Seriously though, you should name it Carrie!
'Over Camming' - Classic mistake for decades.
Over carbing a car too. The worst thing you can do IMO.
Oh yeh. Everybody would just throw a big 4 bbl carb. On the intake and expect big horsepower. Only they would get bog city.
Yeah, you dont know how may stock 302 and 350 engines I have worked on with 750 and 850 DP and many of them auto trans which is even worse. Strip car is different. My little nitrous 306 ran the quickest ET with a 950 on it. But I run a 650 on the street which is plenty big for small cubes.
What’s the custom cam specs ? And sounds like
Ya got some lifter noise.
Over-camming? More like under-sizing. No such thing as too much cam, just not enough engine.
Would love to see how ported heads improve the power and torque curve
"But my buddy's girlfriend's brother runs a 255/272 @ .050" and runs 9's @ 152". Surprised you didn't get some troll saying you're wrong. I've tried for years, with varying degrees of success, trying to convince people to not over cam their cars. Glad you did this video and hopefully people will listen to you. Who cares how the car sounds if it runs like crap. Nice, keep up the good work.
Yes, that makes sense. Duration has the most effect for a street car where you still need low end unless you want to feel like your “rowing” the car with the shifter. Lots of lift helps at all rpm’s.
I bought a 1998 C5 in 2017 w a bone stock motor. The previous owner added long tube headers and a cold air intake. It was dyno'd at 318 HP wheel to ground (i.e. 395 to crank). Stock it's about 276 HP wheel to ground (345 at the crank). While that's the most I'll get without changing the cam, it just goes to show that you can squeeze a bit more performance out without having to swap out the cam. But if at some point I decide to change the cam, I would not overcam it either.
On point presentation & very informative, thanks for taking the time to share the different characteristics with cam grinds.
Actually there are three compression ratios, static, effective, and dynamic. Static is the ratio of BDC to TDC, effective is when the intake valve closes to TDC, and dynamic is when the engine is running and you get a ram effect from the velocity of the intake charge and has to do with volumetric efficiency. from Dema Elgin's "High Performance Engine Theory"
even if the compression was bumped up and cam advanced it would have worked better, but still not as good as that smaller camshaft its a street car not a race car. 😂👍 good job man!
great video you made alot of sence.......cheers
Sense*
Nice video bruh
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Brilliant!!!!! Big is not always better!!!
The smaller cam sounds exactly like the AMC 360 I just built. It had a similar issue, the cam in it was too big and they were running a stock valve train. It was eating lifters due to a much larger base circle with stock push rods and non adjustable rockers which ended up wiping out a rod bearing from oil pressure loss.
You are so young and own a shop? What an underachiever I must be LOL great video and I can't help but notice you guys use motul
Subscribed! You guys are local and specialize in my GM V8!
You knew you were in trouble... don't make your wife wait like that. Seriously though, awesome video!
Haha funny family ending. Original!
Thanks Andrew for the clear up. I did a text chat on your website jus about this topic but the text was ended so i never finished specing
Diablo and you my friend are awesome wish you’ll where in Florida.
I had a crane commander solid cam (3400 to 6800) in my 302 windsor. Milder hydraulic setups used to beat me more often than i would have liked.
Thats because big cams need more compression, more stall converter, and more rear gear. Its a package deal not just a camshaft.
@@donrutter6765 i had 3000 stall and roller rockers. Problem is cam was too big. Cam went to 6800. Heads were worked to 6000. Edelbrock performer manifold only went to 5500. After 5500 it fell off. You need the whole package not just a big lumpy cam. As i found out...
@@Stm-ij8wi such low rpms
@@ellisjackson3355 a 7000 rpm v8 streetcar is pretty high revs
Performer intake is good to 6500
Nice!!
I would agree, I have put bigger cams that just didn't work due to compression, heads, converter, etc, it's the correct recipe for what you have already or what you want it to have. With that you might sacrifice somethings about driveability that you were used to before, think just what you really want to do first before choosing your proper cam, cool video brother
I worked at a major racing shop (engine builder) here in Alabama back in the dawn of 5.0 stuff (88-96) and one of the biggest mistakes folks made with mustangs was over-canning them my boss was more than happy to fix them up, he was a hardcore racer and would grind hydraulics with similar spec sheets to the solid rollers lol didn't work very well. Most those were 302s obviously. I ran true street in nmra and ffw. Was fortunate to set some records, and seemed that I always had
A. success with these "smaller" cams. I enjoy the channel immensely you guys hub great info and treat people AWESOME keep up the good work- wish I lived closer def would be a customer. Already..... I have a Coyote with twins (hellion) in a clean fox and 18F150 w/kenne bell (nightmare build but hella 4wd launch) Starting channel soon wife has ZL1 (19) will def Need parts .
*give great info, sorry..
*give great info, sorry..
What was a common cam spec back then?
I know I undercammed my 383 but I more than made up for it with amazing heads (AFR’s). I chose it this way because ole Smokey said to build with the best heads you can and a tame camshaft vs stock heads with a monster cam. This video shows why that’s so true. 13” of vacuum and torque as soon as you touch the gas is hard to not appreciate. The cam specs are just 225*@.050” and .560” lift, single pattern on 110LSA. Makes a great driver with wide power and up to 6k. I also have room to grow if I get tired of this power level in a 3200lbs car.
Cory Holbrook. Then you didn't under cam your car. You did a nice job with the build. You had it figured out from the beginning. Stop selling yourself short. You are a better car guy then many I have met.
Great video, you get my subscribe now lol
Would have been interesting to see the actual specs of. Both such as lift, duration, overlap and lobe separation, since each one can change driving characteristics.
Hey Andrew since so many people wanna buy that blue plastic that covers the cars, you should put it on the website and they can order it.
My stage 3 comp cam, I just coast and put it in neutral at low speeds than 1st to keep me coasting than back to neutral.
A big thanks for this video really appreciate it. Just jumped into the Corvette game bought my 2018 ZO6 a month ago and I want to cam it but I definitely don't want the low idle Cam buck no way. So being new to this I didn't even know that existed until your video so thanks again. Any suggestions on the right cam would be appreciated
What are the other specs for the 225-235 cam you put it?
Lift? (Intake & Exhaust)
LSA ?
Nice call on downsizing the cam and making more power.
ANDREW!!! what size cam would you recommend for a 2001 c5 z51 my car has all the 2002 upgrades with the ls6 intake ect.. cold air, headers, xpipe, corsa extreme.. 342 rear end.... i want the max cam i can get with only changing the springs, rods, harmon bal, maybe timing chain.... i have seen some cams done with only springs and rods... but these were kinda small barely a bump better than stock!! thank you ahead of time!!!
You are spot on!!! Bigger is often slower..P.S. I tried the sixty Bagillion twice..Failed both times.Haha
Was waiting for the Mustang race.
My solid roller in my sb1 is 250 to 252 with 651 lift on a 110 lobe separation. I'm in debating to go hydraulic for a while now but hasn't as of yet
I'm at .600 with 108 LSA, 305 adv duration Chet Herbert custom grind. But my compression is 11.5:1. Big cams bleed off compression, so you have to boost up the compression again with pistons. Best article on this is "Compression comprehension" by David Vizard.
My buddy has that big cam you have in his 02 camaro ss made 418hp what thermostat are you using 160 ?
I have a vrx-5 cam .601/.605 and i think it's a 113°. Pulls hard to 6,800. I stuck a ported fast 92 on and I have ported 243's waiting to on. Lq4 block at the shop and 76/75 turbo waiting to go on 🙃🙃
A lower gear ratio rear end (Example 4.10 vs 3.23) will get your rpms up sooner in 1st gear thus helping eliminate bucking at low speeds. Since you have a 6 speed and almost never get to top speed, you can cruise comfortably also.
Jason Bisenius, He is telling you that a cam that is too big will lower your nominal compression ratio in the engine. Your rear gear is not in the engine and cannot fix that.
Can't count the "small" cams out. I had an 02 Camaro 6 speed with a Howard's ASA cam. 226 236 at .050 duration, .525 lift. Made 404 hp, 385 torque to the wheels. Only other mods was LT headers and CAI. Very little bucking mainly in 6th gear low speed. Sounded amazing and power everywhere. And that was a 200k mile engine!
Had a new 5.0 mustang chickened out at the track last Friday.
So what was the lift and LSA for the new cam?
That should say the right cam VS the wrong cam
The vindicator camshaft is a 240/244 112 LSA.
Vengence racing have crappy cam specs anyway.
Not enough split.
Still waiting to hear back from in regards to my stroker andrew.
Cheers
What spec cam would you suggest for my 19 camaro ss? its an A10 if that changes anything. What I want is a nice choppy idle but also dont want a terrible daily drive since im at low speeds a lot in the city.
edit: The only mods I have is an axle back borla, no performance mods. i'm also planning on doing headers with the cam
I had a question , I know you guys deal with LS/LT platform primarily , do you recommend a stage 1 comp cam on a 2019 mustang GT 10r80 for track use and all around drivability? thanks
What do you guys think of this camshaft in my LS 408 ci engine?
244/252 114lsa +4?
It really depends on the entire setup. My 408 runs a 235/247 on a 115 LSA with a 6 speed and aside from the idle (and fuel economy) it drives like the stock ls1 did. No issues in a parking lot or low speed cruising in 6th gear. And all that with a single plane intake manifold and SD tune.
Stock 243 heads dont flow anymore over .600 lift. Match your cam to the heads capabilities.
unless your polish and bore
@@pistoreroloco polishing doesn't do anything
@@ryanaxberg9263 it creates bless to 9ne turbulence when done right. Flows smoother and faster.
@@pistoreroloco YOU ARE THE VILLAGE IDIOT!
@@pistoreroloco That won't do anything but make it more likely for fuel to fall out of suspension. You want some turbulence on the walls to create a boundary layer. The reason 243 heads don't gain anything from intake lifter over .600 is due to the valve diameter of the intake valve.
Starting to think maybe my 94 Cobra is cammed after watching this. I was thinking about camming it soon. It already seems ridiculously fast for the claimed 240 at the crank. Between the idle the slight lopey sound and the damn bouncing at low speeds unless I'm slipping the clutch which has basically become a habbit to daily it it definitely could have a cam... Time to go look into it
I have a 66 289 block with 302 heads, edelbrock carb and assault intake manifold. Duel tube air intake and hooked headers. In a weight reduced 71 torino. What do you recommend for cam and lifters?
I'm running a asa cam in my ls3 headed 370" lq9 , I love it but my wife constantly bitches about the smell, do you have any suggestions as to what cam would be more nose friendly and still make the power or close to what I'm getting now.....or should I just add some high flow cats.....even though it's a smog free nova
WHATS UP ANDREW‼️‼️‼️
Cool!!!
i got a 02 Z06 with a vindicator with 215 TFS heads and fast 92/92 throttle/intake. car made 483 on dyno jet goes 1/4 11.50 / 11.60 consistent.
that cam is more of a 383/402 ls stroker but with the right combo and TUNE it can be done. 👍👍
Good peak numbers. I honestly expected the numbers to be higher horsepower on mine but the mid range and low end to suffer. Just remember peak horsepower is only at 1 RPM, out of probably 7000 or so on your motor
Complete Street Performance yea ur right...I’m not focused on dyno numbers just was surprised on the numbers, but of course i installed 3.90 gears so it wouldn’t be a dog on the low end.
I have a 5.3 w/flat top and 243 heads. I was offered this cam BTR 32430112. This will be a driver, and wanted a great sound. I will be using a sheet metal intake
I build Harley engines for a living and I run into this all the time, I am always straightening out engines that some "bigger is better" shop has all screwed up, about 50% of the time I wind up telling the owners that they need to get another set of heads because some hack gouged too much material out of the ports to get some huge flow number that's completely out of wack for what they're trying to do.
It’s knocking
Would you use the same 225/235 "small" cam on a LS2 with ported 243 heads and fast intake?
I picked a little 210/218 .584/.584 116 lift for my dd 5.3 truck. Also bc I like the stock stall for dd. Baby cam makes way broader power from idle to 6K and drives just like stock at low speeds.
Little cams are torquey lil mothers 😊
dyno's.. always crushing dreams..lol love it when people are like, put a cam and cold air intake on my 285hp stock engine now it's at 500hp.lol
Morning Andrew!
I went for. 222/230 and so meny of my mates had a laugh I’m literally the only one who isn’t rocking
Where did you get the blue protective for the car thanks ?
I need a good cam for daily driving and occasionally going road course racing