Kyle doesn't understand that pretending Musk did a "salute" is his end. Nobody with a brain will respect him after this. Jimmy Dore was so right about this grifter
Kyle is on an absolute TEAR and I'm here for it. Pretty much the only guy consistently calling out all the bullshit around him, regardless of his past relationships with those people. Kyle is a real one
This, I might not agree with everything he says. But kyle is the real deal. He always calls it like he sees it. When he is wrong he always admits it and corrects himself.
So does it work both ways when a woman votes for a man she transitions into one!?? Glad to hear thier all secretly trans supporters, how progressive of them 😂
I'm so disappointed in joe. Being such a two face snake. Sucking up to the oligarchs and dictators. Also I want my money back from watching his terrible stand up.
You're telling me. I was a Rogan fan from long ago. I've seen his stand up for $20 and used to watch him on Justin.tv. The transformation was quite obvious and sad to see.
They play you because you keep making excuses for them Never heard of Jesuit Agents Provocateur? You think it's coincidence they all do the same tactics, talking fast, talking in Strawman, red herrings and appeals to populism All purely coincidence, not religious extremists tied to the First Reich of Charlemagne..
I was a fan for years back when he showed actual left wing values, watched him slowly revert further and further into a MAGA guy over the years. Was a massive bummer.
@@mr.gamewatch7547 In what fucking way?? He's been ripping on the democrats left and right too. Have you been living under a rock? Get with the program.
Breaking Points has this exact audience problem. Just look at the comments, they are overwhelming right-wing. And it's mostly because Saagar is a partisan hack. Krystal criticizes both Democrats and Republicans, but Saagar virtually never criticizes Republicans. And in the rare instances where he actually criticizes Republicans, it's always couched with whaboutism or some other BS justification. He also refuses to acknowledge that racism plays any role in right-wing politics. He's intellectually dishonest, and approaches everything reflexively.
I’ll give you an example. Krystal in a segment yesterday, said that it would be unfair to arrest ILLEGAL immigrants who do not break the law. Let that sink in. It’s not hard to wonder why she draws so much shit from the comments these days. It ain’t right wing commentators imo.
I watch BP to try to understand the right. Saagar is less crazy than MAGA but 20 years ago he would have been considered a nutter. But yeah, all BP comments are basically “Krystal stop interrupting, I wish saagar would start his own show”
@ No he doesn’t man lol. He’s conjured up this idea that he can be the left Joe Rogan and all he does is try to make clickbait thumbnails and titles. He was so embarrassed about how wrong his election prediction was that all he had left was to lean into clicks. I think Krystal has been pretty stable through all of it and is a good addition to breaking points. It looks like she’s embarrassed to be on a show with Kyle lol.
Screw them. Tim got me on to the Ferguson, Missouri riots, watched him live every night, I stayed up all night upset & worried bout my brothers & sisters but I soon learned he's a flake.
I think Russell Brand is the perfect example of audience capture. If you look at him 5-10 years ago when he was doing "The Trews" news and writing his book "Revolution", there was literally nothing right-wing about his message. Not even a little bit. But then on his podcast he started exclusively ripping democrats without contrasting why republicans are worse (for the worldview he used to promote). Next thing you know he's friends with Tucker Carlson and endorsing trump. Such a disappointment. 😒
Even 5 years ago when he started with the dive into the media narrative in a COVID world he still seemed neutral. Although that was probably the start of his path to the far right, I'd still argue back then he spoke of issues from a 3rd person perspective and thought he even gave right wing talking points a fair analysis. Either way compare him from 2020 to now he's gone way far right since then. The irony is that I actually noticed him and followed him from that time which is where as mentioned he started tip towing into the right, but I actually considered his talking points intelligent and important at a time of crisis. But then from mid 2022 I did start noticing his videos would hard-core condemn the Democrats and never said a single bad word about Trump, then I'd see him interviewing people far into the right like DeSantis, Don JR, Charlie Kirk and even Alex Jones, never challenging their perspective like he would have used to and never having anyone on the left on his show any more and eventually knew he has succumbed to the rights Rcho Chamber.
I used to be left and now I’m libertarian, voted Stein. I think people who hold left wing values and keep their mouth shut about politics are the best people. The other lefties are top tier trump salesmen.
I sorta agree, but I think in the case of Brand, there's a big heaping of ego and careerism in the mix. Certainly, those are elements in all cases of audience capture; but I think the term itself suggests a more reciprocal mutual-indocrination that takes place between audience and influencer, where the nature of these algorithm mediated parasocial relationships enables the audience to drag the influencer towards promoting ever-more-nieche ideas which cater to that particular audience. In the case of Brand, I think it's a more traditional case of an unprincipled charismatic seeking as many followers as possible.
So did Kyle. When he went full proestablishment, his subs and views skyrocketed. Kyle in 2016 and now are to different people. Complete sell out to establishment. As Kyle himself used to say, Trump broke his brain.
In 1880 Swinton was invited to speak at a meeting of journalists in New York City about the freedom of the press. He outraged his colleagues by arguing: "There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
@@markp6930 For what ? Whole point of BP was supposedly that left and right are not that different, we all want same populist policies etc etc. Problem is, left and right are NOT reconcilable, and path to progress is not to embrace regressive politics, but to confront, challenge and debunk them. We need to open minds of most of misguided and disinformed right wing audience , not try to pander to their misconceptions.
sure big oil, but the entire right wing in general for decades has been a espousing that bs. the politicians and media - Fox, Newsmax, etc are daily on that. but yeah it originates with the oil industry
I’m so glad all of you guys (y’all, Mike, Rational National, BTC, David, Majority Report, Vanguard, etc) are talking to each other more and seemingly creating more of a cohesive network!
Yup. They finally going for it. Time to make a unified leftist propaganda space lol. A long time coming. They see how the echo space got trump the win. Now all we need is more leftist political speechers from the house or somewhere to start coming on the show. Adam mockler has Elizabeth warron on the other day.
Rationality Rules released a video the day after the election saying this is something we must do to counter the Ring Wing machine. Im glad to see it starting to form.
It's truly sad to see how Joe Rogan went from being a progressive, interviewing interesting, funny and intelligent people, to becoming radicalized during Covid, then falling into the hate well of being trans athletes then interviewing Trump to attending his inauguration. I'm truly sad. Because I truly enjoyed listening to OG Joe Rogan.
I was really disappointed with Jimmy Dore’s take on Elon Musk’s salute. Avoiding the obvious and tying himself into knots to dismiss it was so obviously schilling, I unsubbed.
Good stuff OP. I stopped listening to Jimmy, who couldn't walk two steps without saying how anti-war he was, when Biden pulled the troops out of Afghanistan (in the face of enormous media pressure not to do so) and Jimmy had nothing to say about it at all. That was when I knew for sure that he was not sincere.
I applaud Krystal for checking Saagar on Breaking Points when he says absurd comments. We need more of that. We need intelligent left commentators continuing to tear down commentary on the right.
No reason to feel dumb, he got his 100 million dollar deal, moved to Texas and completely flipped. When we watched him he was a staunch weed advocate, in favor of UBI and a Bernie supporter.
IT'S ABOUT TIME KYLE! You finally saw the light. Assuming the best of these people is a recipe for disaster. You gave them the benefit of the doubt for way too long.
@@oklol7799I been saying it for 8 years. he's right to be frustrated with how long it took people to catch on to the "Im actually a leftist but the right is correct about everything" act. Even normal people are trained to do that now. Everyone's in the middle and also weirdly obsessed with trans people
@jonm7888 oh yeah, like Rogan cares what Kyle thinks. Speaking of audience capture, the minute Kyle started openly shilling for establishment Democrats, his subs skyrocketed, and so did his income. Watch Kyle 2016-20 and now, it's to opposite people. Went from anti-establishment to shilling for it. Also, who takes Rogan's political views seriously?
@ Because I'm trying to find if any of Kyle's og audience is here. Apparently they're all gone. OG Kyle was the best. You guys and Kyle are p.athetic p.artisan hacks now
THANK YOU SOO MUCH!! This has been the most aggravating, hair pulling suspect of leftist commentary over the last 10 years. So glad to see your evolution!!!
Awesome to see the crossover for this. The left needs to cooperate and network together, everyone can’t be a line voice shouting in the dark or we’ll never make a difference and they’ll try to snuff them out one by one.
I just saw a clip where he's saying that he's not on anyone's team. What a weaselly little liar he is. He was full-on team Trump in the most important moments right before the election. Spineless man.
@@JayPlateFaceVideos yah I watch it for krystal and Ryan and even though I disagree with Saagar, he still is worth listening too. The comment section is straight 4chan.
The main difference is that now it’s in the open. Kamala would have taken 2 cookies from the jar and we wouldn’t need reform. Trump will take 4 cookies and we’ll hopefully get a lock on the cookie jar that keeps BOTH evil parties out of it.
I watched this happen to the gaming community. There are some gaming streamers that took a hard right turn and became very clear mouthpieces for the information machine.
I unsubsribed from Jimmy Dore instantly after the whale video. I had no idea he changed so much. It's really sad. I haven't watched one of his videos since 2020. Holy cow, he completely changed. He's a trump supporter now. Crazy.
Yes, they're all followers. But why not talk about the main reason for this? Which is the fact that people living in precarious economic situations for a long time actually get dumber (-13 IQ points according to studies) and thereby easier to exploit. And then the crazy danger of this - as Ai keeps taking more and more jobs - spiraling out of control? This should be your main focus in my opinion.
This is a good conversation, it's important to call out the Pelosi's and Schumer's and push them left, BUT it needs to be done in the contest of explaining how much worse the right is then even the worst of the left
We need to be willing to work with the opposition center and opposition right. There are right wingers who have been for whatever reason stranded by the weird Trump era - we can pick them up, we can turn them. What's important is opposition to Trump, Musk, and the oligarchs ultimately. *Nearly everything else* I would say is negotiable while in opposition - let them think what they will about our plans, the advantage of opposition is that you don't have to concretize such things. What I'm saying - the way politics is now, the real, meaningful political scale that exists now is opposition vs regime. Just as their is a regime left, center, and right, that all take various kayfabe positions and pretend to have some sort of debate within their sphere, while in reality it's all an orchestrated theater and they are coordinating behind the scenes on messaging. They wish their clown show stooge left to displace the actual left, much like Putin allows the Russian Communist party - it's a clown show, it's a not a threat to him. A liberal opposition party is the actual threat to him, and what you'll notice is that's precisely what is never allowed to be placed on the ballot within Russia. Instead somehow the choices are always a bunch of clowns and then Putin's party. But when Putin calls them up and tells them to fall in line about something important to the regime narrative, like anti lgbt laws, the "opposition" obsequiously obeys and engages in his stupid theatrics like having all them submit the bill simultaneously - how organic, what a certain sign of absolute popular support, we can't see what is going on. Anyway, while building their system, they are going to make a lot of enemies on all sides. We need to put aside past differences and unify with anyone who gets tossed into the opposition. Otherwise, the regime system will isolate and destroy us one by one. It's ultimate goal is no opposition.
The thing is that Trump Republicans vote on vibes. They like that he says Americans first even though he really means lining his pockets first and undermining the Constitution. So non Maga people who support America need to talk in vibes. Vibes Americans like, Americans are the best, being manly, family first, love of country, personal liberty.
I don't agree w/all of Kyle's takes, but I watch daily because I know I'm going to get the truth. I know he is informed & is gonna give me his take, not what he thinks others want him to say.
I checked out Rogan for the first time in about a year the other day and first thing he was saying was how, "Tough" Trump is after being attacked by the media and Democrats. I just commented, "Oh, I didn't realize this channel is a propaganda machine now. No reason to listen to this guy anymore".
I cut him out after he gave positive coverage to Georgia Maloni after she became PM. Dore's been fluffing up fascism for years, but I'm glad you've finally noticed!
It's good to hear this conversation. I was following Krystal Ball back when she lost a house race due to "slut shaming", I watched her afternoon show on MSNBC, she lost me when I saw her on the Hill podcast for the very reason they are talking about. I've been happy to have rediscovered her on this podcast.
Love this criticism and all 3 of them are 100% correct. That being said, Saagar is one of the biggest culprits of this and normalizing trumps facism. Krystal and Kyle need to do better calling him out
I was always interested in history and politics, even in grade school when my peers were not. And now I see my peers whom were not interested while in grade school are now very much so and they are watching the tim pools and Joe Rogans of the world...
Yep it’s because they grew up in a culture were those things (history and politics) are for sissies and real men drink and work to make lots of money and become family men. It’s called Machismo in the Latino community this was or is still ingrained where men are expected to marry, hustle, and provide for your family, and be manly and shit. Knowledge is viewed as weak and foe “girly men”.
I think we might also need to take a look at that way the show South Park spent decades setting the stage for the level of nastiness we currently see. They sorta smelled like leftists, they made a lot of little tongue in cheek jokes about right-wingers...the problem is they did it in the way a children's movie might put something in there only an adult will notice, and most of the content was sorta just red meat for dumb conservatives. They watch something like "Team America" unironically. They don't take it as an insult. Left got duped hard on that one.
Sorry guys, but any criticism of the Democrats helps the Republicans. That's how Trump won. You can criticize privately, but broadcasting it too the world hurts. I wish it wasn't like that, but it is.
21:47 it’s not that the money made that way they were already likely men with NPD or any form anti-social personality disorder that of course with the low position of wealth could “care” about being performative with any sense of “ normality” but until they INTENTIONALLY sought after profit seeking desires their “performative sense of morality” falls apart the amount of money equates to power they already have a mentality that based off of justifying Higharchy system bc they personally seek power through any mean necessary so that when you can see them for WHO THEY ARE they don’t become that way just bc they got richer those points of their personality was always there it’s just when it comes to putting on an act to the broader public of course it all seem shocking when the mask slips after they reach the “ status” they believe their entitled to. Iv always said this since iv learned about both NPD and Capitalism and realized Capitalism is a Play Ground for narcissist🤷🏻♀️
I'm really glad Jimmy Dore never stuck with me, there was just a way about him that I couldn't get into even if there was some of his content I agreed with. But he just seemed to get worse and worse.
only time i enjoyed him was during the 2020 riots when was ranting every day about hating the cops lmao. he shut up about that real quick when he started making more appearences on tucker
@ Damn, but that's okay because it happens to us all at some point on here I think. Rogan is a big one for a lot of people in that way as well. Time changes everything and everyone and unfortunately not always in the ways we want. But we have the choice to stop listening, so we have that going for us! :D
One of my biggest telling moments was when the fox files were released and tucker was hating on trump behind the scenes to his co workers but giving a different message on air. When he went 'independent' and did all these podcasts did anyone ask him about this? No. Imagine if the CNN anchor was caught saying something behind the scenes and saying something different on air and then independently on their own podcast.
Your statement about Jimmy Dore being 98% criticism of democrats is false and you would know this if you watch his show. Yes he has mostly criticized them recently and said SOME good things about Trump, but the reality is that he has actually done many anti or Trump critical peaces recently, called Trump a corrupt oligarch and stated that he would not and DID NOT vote for him. Jimmy Dore is actually not a Trump fan!
It may be somewhat unpopular, but I actually don’t care about DEI either. I think a true meritocracy would be superior. Just hire the most qualified applicants. You don’t need to fill a quota.
@@oregonsbragiaDEI is necessary due to ingrained racism as well as historic factors which led to white people generally having advantages. And it doesn't necessitate hiring someone unqualified
@@oregonsbragia Literally the excuse given to ignore certain races and only focus on white men, because they no longer have to consider other people at all if they don't like their name or picture. Congratulations. You drank the kool aid.
Joe Rogan is MAGA
Duh
Lefties literally pushed Rogan into the arms of Trump by attacking him nonstop over vaccine issue. Way to lose a Bernie supporter.
Most definitely. The left went crazy and drove him out
And so is every warrior out there. Rest easy snow flake.
Agreed
Joe "Donald Trump is the Beacon of Truth" Rogan
Rogan is starting to look like his face is turning to lumpy stone, it’s creepy as heck.
It's all the supplements that he's taking and constantly pitching to his audience.@suzannederusha1370
@@suzannederusha1370 "The transformation is almost complete" - creepy mad scientist 😅
Kyle doesn't understand that pretending Musk did a "salute" is his end. Nobody with a brain will respect him after this. Jimmy Dore was so right about this grifter
@@DuncanKasseldimmy jore is the antithesis of critical thinking
Stupidity is eating America.
Eating right through us like a cancer. It's so very disheartening.
Bill Maher was correct by accident
America should instead eat its rich.
Idiocracy was actually a documentary, apparently
Ate*
Kyle is on an absolute TEAR and I'm here for it. Pretty much the only guy consistently calling out all the bullshit around him, regardless of his past relationships with those people. Kyle is a real one
💯
A real Barbietard. 😂
This, I might not agree with everything he says. But kyle is the real deal. He always calls it like he sees it. When he is wrong he always admits it and corrects himself.
@Neuroanalisis Truly commendable. It's sad that he is so unique in that regards. I share his anger and frustration with new media.
😂😂😂
Jesse Watters (Fox News host) actually said live on air in July 2024.....“when a man votes for a woman, he actually transitions into a woman.”
He wants to leave the closet so hard but can't
So does it work both ways when a woman votes for a man she transitions into one!?? Glad to hear thier all secretly trans supporters, how progressive of them 😂
Lol what ?
What an idiot. Jessie Watters is so so dumb with a big mouth!!
They are not sending their brightest.
Imagine watching Fox News, OANN, & Newsmax 24/7. You'd never hear a single real fact.
My parents are in that and if you try to talk them out of it they become violent
I remember hearing about some study that found that people who don’t listen to news are actually more informed than people who listen to Fox News.
Won't even imagine that! That's worse than a horrific nightmare!
With the right it's feelings over facts.
@@samhall7385 I have experienced this from a few family members. It's like they turn rabid. It's disturbing. 🙄
I'm so disappointed in joe. Being such a two face snake. Sucking up to the oligarchs and dictators. Also I want my money back from watching his terrible stand up.
he thinks aliens built pyramids……sigh
Did you watch The Elephant Graveyard's video on his comedy? Hilarious
You're telling me. I was a Rogan fan from long ago. I've seen his stand up for $20 and used to watch him on Justin.tv. The transformation was quite obvious and sad to see.
They play you because you keep making excuses for them
Never heard of Jesuit Agents Provocateur? You think it's coincidence they all do the same tactics, talking fast, talking in Strawman, red herrings and appeals to populism
All purely coincidence, not religious extremists tied to the First Reich of Charlemagne..
I was a fan for years back when he showed actual left wing values, watched him slowly revert further and further into a MAGA guy over the years. Was a massive bummer.
I friggin love you all together. TY for stoking the hope.
Hope just took charge
I am SO HAPPY Kyle got his balls back. The old Kyle is back, and we sure needed him.
Is this a joke? New Kyle is a p.athetic p.artisan hack
@@mr.gamewatch7547 In what fucking way?? He's been ripping on the democrats left and right too. Have you been living under a rock? Get with the program.
@mr.gamewatch7547 half of his videos are about the failures of democrats. You are dishonest.
@@mr.gamewatch7547 partisan to who?
@ Anyone who's been watching him for longer than a day. I've been watching him for over 10 years and he's unw.atchable now
I remember it wasn’t that long ago when Kyle was 100k subs behind Dimmy Jore, but now Kyle is 50k ahead of Dimmy! 🙌
@@oklol7799 helps to have Rogan on your thumbnails
Are you his wife’s boyfriend?
@@Alwaysiamcaesar No he's your boyfriend's wife's boyfriend.
@DannyTobia you think the "Rogan thumbnail" is worth more than going ON Rogan? Come on man...
@@AlwaysiamcaesarDon't worry, guys. That's not actually Julius Caesar. It's Caius Cosades, Imperial Grand Spymaster of the Blades.
Breaking Points has this exact audience problem. Just look at the comments, they are overwhelming right-wing. And it's mostly because Saagar is a partisan hack.
Krystal criticizes both Democrats and Republicans, but Saagar virtually never criticizes Republicans. And in the rare instances where he actually criticizes Republicans, it's always couched with whaboutism or some other BS justification. He also refuses to acknowledge that racism plays any role in right-wing politics. He's intellectually dishonest, and approaches everything reflexively.
I liked him like 5-6 years ago but stopped watching
Absolutely!
💯 Krystal as well as Ryan Grim have to defend Democrats from time to time as actually Beaking Point is become an anti-democrats channel.
I’ll give you an example.
Krystal in a segment yesterday, said that it would be unfair to arrest ILLEGAL immigrants who do not break the law.
Let that sink in.
It’s not hard to wonder why she draws so much shit from the comments these days. It ain’t right wing commentators imo.
I watch BP to try to understand the right. Saagar is less crazy than MAGA but 20 years ago he would have been considered a nutter.
But yeah, all BP comments are basically “Krystal stop interrupting, I wish saagar would start his own show”
Kyle is on the warpath against Slow Rogan and I am here for it! Love the thumbnail!
He’s just grifting for clicks like everybody else on TH-cam lol. Left and Right.
@@theoptimistictraveler3558 No. he believes what he's saying. Not everyone is as phony as Rogan.
@ No he doesn’t man lol. He’s conjured up this idea that he can be the left Joe Rogan and all he does is try to make clickbait thumbnails and titles. He was so embarrassed about how wrong his election prediction was that all he had left was to lean into clicks. I think Krystal has been pretty stable through all of it and is a good addition to breaking points. It looks like she’s embarrassed to be on a show with Kyle lol.
I like Kyle but hes like a heartbroken ex gf mad that the guy dumped them lol
@@jonm7888No he’s not. He’s a ungrateful phony that bites the hand that fed him clout.
Rogan probably don’t care either.
Dore has not one but TWO videos whining about the Woke Pastor, shows you his priorities
Dore has been a Right Wing parrot for years now. He’s the Tim Pool for lead infused Boomers
Is he even still pretending to be on the left anymore ?
And yet if you asked him what woke is he couldn´t define it.
I wonder how many videos he's released recently bemoaning the right wing and ultra political televangelists. Wadda turd
@@DuncanKassel Everyone?! Lol. Time to peak outside of your bubble.
a Tim Pool fan accused me of being a groomer for refusing to listen to Pool or watch Sound of Freedom
They are crazy 🤪
Screw them. Tim got me on to the Ferguson, Missouri riots, watched him live every night, I stayed up all night upset & worried bout my brothers & sisters but I soon learned he's a flake.
Classic projection on his part
Wow, I guess billions of people are groomers
Who remembers when Kyle got surpassed by Breaking Points sub count? Now he has over 130k more subs than Breaking Points! 🎉
That’s because it turned into a MAGA infested stream.
@@kelly-bo-bellyidk how Krystal does it
He obviously buys subs, views vs subs doesn’t make sense.
I think Russell Brand is the perfect example of audience capture. If you look at him 5-10 years ago when he was doing "The Trews" news and writing his book "Revolution", there was literally nothing right-wing about his message. Not even a little bit. But then on his podcast he started exclusively ripping democrats without contrasting why republicans are worse (for the worldview he used to promote). Next thing you know he's friends with Tucker Carlson and endorsing trump. Such a disappointment. 😒
Even 5 years ago when he started with the dive into the media narrative in a COVID world he still seemed neutral.
Although that was probably the start of his path to the far right, I'd still argue back then he spoke of issues from a 3rd person perspective and thought he even gave right wing talking points a fair analysis. Either way compare him from 2020 to now he's gone way far right since then.
The irony is that I actually noticed him and followed him from that time which is where as mentioned he started tip towing into the right, but I actually considered his talking points intelligent and important at a time of crisis.
But then from mid 2022 I did start noticing his videos would hard-core condemn the Democrats and never said a single bad word about Trump, then I'd see him interviewing people far into the right like DeSantis, Don JR, Charlie Kirk and even Alex Jones, never challenging their perspective like he would have used to and never having anyone on the left on his show any more and eventually knew he has succumbed to the rights Rcho Chamber.
All about the Benjamin's.
I used to be left and now I’m libertarian, voted Stein. I think people who hold left wing values and keep their mouth shut about politics are the best people.
The other lefties are top tier trump salesmen.
I sorta agree, but I think in the case of Brand, there's a big heaping of ego and careerism in the mix. Certainly, those are elements in all cases of audience capture; but I think the term itself suggests a more reciprocal mutual-indocrination that takes place between audience and influencer, where the nature of these algorithm mediated parasocial relationships enables the audience to drag the influencer towards promoting ever-more-nieche ideas which cater to that particular audience. In the case of Brand, I think it's a more traditional case of an unprincipled charismatic seeking as many followers as possible.
Lean to the right and you make money and your base back you when you get in trouble
Thumbnail game on point
Yup!
joe rogan what a sellout, thumbnail on point, kyle
So did Kyle. When he went full proestablishment, his subs and views skyrocketed. Kyle in 2016 and now are to different people. Complete sell out to establishment. As Kyle himself used to say, Trump broke his brain.
YES!!!!! YES!!!! YES!!!! Thank you for speaking truth to power!!!!!
That's a good one. 😂
In 1880 Swinton was invited to speak at a meeting of journalists in New York City about the freedom of the press. He outraged his colleagues by arguing: "There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
I stopped watching Breaking Points because the comments were something like 80% dumbas55 right-wingers, a good chunk of them hate Krystal.
So just stop reading the comments. You can still watch the Breaking Points
They're paying subscribers. Hopefully she profits on the back end of whatever they spend on life-size fxxk dolls made in her likeness.
The Sagaar aka Donkey effect
you can’t erase saager
@@markp6930 For what ? Whole point of BP was supposedly that left and right are not that different, we all want same populist policies etc etc. Problem is, left and right are NOT reconcilable, and path to progress is not to embrace regressive politics, but to confront, challenge and debunk them. We need to open minds of most of misguided and disinformed right wing audience , not try to pander to their misconceptions.
Best thumbnail ever
A thumbnail featuring a thumb
@@Matty272Thumbception
Please, more Kyle, Krystal, and Mike in 2025! I love watching you three together.
Rogan won't shut up about climate change, not being real. Where do you think that's coming from big oil?
He should
Stick to what he knows: MMA and smoking pot and being a simpleton
sure big oil, but the entire right wing in general for decades has been a espousing that bs. the politicians and media - Fox, Newsmax, etc are daily on that. but yeah it originates with the oil industry
He made fun of Candance Owens a few yrs for saying climate change is a hoax. Now he is her.
He’s pretty easily convinced of anything true or not.
I’m so glad all of you guys (y’all, Mike, Rational National, BTC, David, Majority Report, Vanguard, etc) are talking to each other more and seemingly creating more of a cohesive network!
Yup. They finally going for it. Time to make a unified leftist propaganda space lol. A long time coming. They see how the echo space got trump the win. Now all we need is more leftist political speechers from the house or somewhere to start coming on the show. Adam mockler has Elizabeth warron on the other day.
Cross pollination was always something the left online media lacked.
Yeah, strength in numbers. We have to build networks.
Rationality Rules released a video the day after the election saying this is something we must do to counter the Ring Wing machine. Im glad to see it starting to form.
@@kelly-bo-bellyexactly
SLOW ROGAN ?!? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I think he meant roe jogan
@@abhinandhanraghu3447 Nah, I think it was Joe Rogaine.
@@abhinandhanraghu3447 Nah , he's Slow Rogan now.
I like Bro Rogaine
Maybe he should stick to comedy, something he can do.
Krystal's partner over at Breaking Points was also defending the Nazi salute.
youre right kyle should cancel his own wife for having a career
He's gross
Yeah but that isn't Krystal's fault. Sagaar is gross
@@jen9036he's cute though
@jen9036 I never said it was her fault, but it is relevant to to the conversation here, and the omission should be noted.
It's truly sad to see how Joe Rogan went from being a progressive, interviewing interesting, funny and intelligent people, to becoming radicalized during Covid, then falling into the hate well of being trans athletes then interviewing Trump to attending his inauguration. I'm truly sad. Because I truly enjoyed listening to OG Joe Rogan.
My algorithms not even recommending TYT videos anymore. Kyle is 100% right about new media.
1:37 SLOW ROGAN HAS OFFICIALLY CAUGHT ON!
I was really disappointed with Jimmy Dore’s take on Elon Musk’s salute. Avoiding the obvious and tying himself into knots to dismiss it was so obviously schilling, I unsubbed.
Great to see Kyle pass Jimmy in subs.
It’s okay, you’ll get to see the media crash again like they did after the debate. Eventually the truth catches up.
Jimmy has been trash for years.
You may want to really think deeply about why you were still subbed to him...
Good stuff OP. I stopped listening to Jimmy, who couldn't walk two steps without saying how anti-war he was, when Biden pulled the troops out of Afghanistan (in the face of enormous media pressure not to do so) and Jimmy had nothing to say about it at all. That was when I knew for sure that he was not sincere.
I just cancelled spotify over this
You want Rogan to have a different boss than Spotify?
@rdragon193I want him to go away 😂
Wow you didn't do that years ago?
@@drewopal9283what do you use for music?
I never had Spotify. I'm old school, I still listen to CDs!
Oh boy would I love to see a survey asking:
1. Have you ever been victim of a scam
2. Who did you vote for in 2024
Someone tag TYT please
Me and most of the deviantart community hate AI art....yet I like this thumbnail....you're putting me in quite a predicament here Kyle.
anybody with any appreciation or a slight understanding of Art will usually hate A.I 'Art'
Ai art is okay when we use it to make grifters looks terrible
I guess there is a legitimate use for AI art: TH-cam thumbnails on short notice
Keep creating real art.
Fortunately this isn't art it's a meme, I give ai a pass when its used for shitposts
Joe "Cant Read Vibes" Rogan
You realize trump won the popular vote, right?
the clown thumbnail feels like a Twilight Zone episode
Black mirror you mean
Thankfully, Bill Burr didn't drift to the dark side.
I applaud Krystal for checking Saagar on Breaking Points when he says absurd comments. We need more of that. We need intelligent left commentators continuing to tear down commentary on the right.
Rogan as a clown is on point. My only fear is that Rogan might try to sue you for defamation.
and if he did, it would the most trumpian move ever, and he could never, ever do comedy again
@@AroundTheBendYouSay thats why I wouldn't put it past him.
It's not defamation if it's the truth...
It's freedom of speech isn't it? Talks about Elon saving freedom of speech so how can he criticise others for using their voice?
@@AroundTheBendYouSayWell…he can’t do comedy now.
Oh boy. I feel dumb. I used to be a Joe Rogan fanboy
Used to means you're not really dumb. We all used to be
No reason to feel dumb, he got his 100 million dollar deal, moved to Texas and completely flipped. When we watched him he was a staunch weed advocate, in favor of UBI and a Bernie supporter.
Mistakes happen.
@@tannercaty5086 He was always an idiot, don't try to deny that.
Welcome to the club. My wake up call was in 2020
IT'S ABOUT TIME KYLE! You finally saw the light. Assuming the best of these people is a recipe for disaster. You gave them the benefit of the doubt for way too long.
Kyle "Gloves Are Off" Kulinski is the best Kyle.
He’s been saying this for a couple of months now
He gave Joe the benefit of the doubt for a long time.
@@oklol7799I been saying it for 8 years. he's right to be frustrated with how long it took people to catch on to the "Im actually a leftist but the right is correct about everything" act. Even normal people are trained to do that now. Everyone's in the middle and also weirdly obsessed with trans people
@jonm7888 oh yeah, like Rogan cares what Kyle thinks. Speaking of audience capture, the minute Kyle started openly shilling for establishment Democrats, his subs skyrocketed, and so did his income. Watch Kyle 2016-20 and now, it's to opposite people. Went from anti-establishment to shilling for it. Also, who takes Rogan's political views seriously?
I guess everything is about the money, we are so fucked
No - you're fucked because you won't do for yourself.
What drives me crazy is all these idiots cheering Trump on while he's signing executive orders that will hurt them. It's unbelievable!!!
The thumbnail is great. Crazy how Kyle was Rogan’s favorite TH-cam political commentator at one point.
Joe "Goebbels" Rogan
Yup, difference being Goebbels was intelligent.
That's pretty offensive to Goebbels.
Ahhhhhh love Mike!!! More of this colab please!!
Already liked this video just for the thumbnail
Kyle has been fire lately
*has been Keith Olbermann lately
@@mr.gamewatch7547bro you’re under every comment 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹
@ Because I'm trying to find if any of Kyle's og audience is here. Apparently they're all gone. OG Kyle was the best. You guys and Kyle are p.athetic p.artisan hacks now
@@mr.gamewatch7547 😹😹😹
@ 😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹k.amala is so quirky and wholesome!!! Kyle and Krystal say so!!!😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😹😍😍😍😹😍
It isn't just the right wing crowds that are giving them wind, the algorithm amplifies it at the same time.
Y’all make me feel better to be alive
Amen Tesas.
Kyle’s style has noticeably improved every year after he met Krystal ❤
He and Krystal are the best team. ❤
@@jen9036 My favorite leftist couple.
@@SuperStrik9same!
Very true, cute couple
He’s been dressing like a high school principal for decades.
I do love that Jimmy's own audience is crapping on him at times. I and others definitely called him out on defending Elon's Nazi salute.
That's easy but hilarious 😂😂
THANK YOU SOO MUCH!! This has been the most aggravating, hair pulling suspect of leftist commentary over the last 10 years. So glad to see your evolution!!!
I would lump Sagaar in there with Nimmy Moore and Rave Dubin
Question-: Has anybody heard from Vivek Ramaswamy since being dumped by the regime… I haven’t seen anything from him … he very quiet
Bro is rethinking his life right now. As a black guy, I think he just got his wake-up call.
He has no comment at this time🤣
@@wendyschulz7362 An Indian Hindu man has a ceiling in the Republican party and he may have reached it 😆
He kept spitting Enimem rhymes and it got on Nazi Elon nerves.
@@arthurswanson3285these minorities that think that they can be down with a white nationalist regime.
Awesome to see the crossover for this. The left needs to cooperate and network together, everyone can’t be a line voice shouting in the dark or we’ll never make a difference and they’ll try to snuff them out one by one.
The left are an echo chamber of tards. Real liberals are what you clowns call "right wing." Humans are so easy to manipulate.
I just saw a clip where he's saying that he's not on anyone's team. What a weaselly little liar he is. He was full-on team Trump in the most important moments right before the election. Spineless man.
I think Krystals laugh is so endearing lol. I could listen to her giggle all day 😂
So glad secular talk has 130k subs than breaking points
Breaking Points comment section is a cesspool
@@JayPlateFaceVideosDude I can’t even keep the live chat on with how many Krystal haters there are. Crazy the fans Saager has cultivated lol
@@JayPlateFaceVideos yah I watch it for krystal and Ryan and even though I disagree with Saagar, he still is worth listening too. The comment section is straight 4chan.
@@JayPlateFaceVideos
Lot of the comments are either the same few guys using many accounts or bots.
More subs than Jimmy Dore as well👍
This Joe macho man looks very much an hypocrite 🤡
Under Trump we live in absolute Oligarchy so every upper class person is now linking up with the ruling class of Tech Bros.
The main difference is that now it’s in the open.
Kamala would have taken 2 cookies from the jar and we wouldn’t need reform. Trump will take 4 cookies and we’ll hopefully get a lock on the cookie jar that keeps BOTH evil parties out of it.
@rdragon193Hopefully, but this could get really bad. Electing Trump was not worth the risk.
It's been an oligarchy for many years, dip*hit.
I watched this happen to the gaming community. There are some gaming streamers that took a hard right turn and became very clear mouthpieces for the information machine.
Really glad I went from Jimmy dore to Kyle, Krystal, and majority report Instead of the other direction.
Yay Mike! 🎉 The crossover you love to see.
Amen to that, I listen to them both & this is great to see when the agree.
Epic thumbnail. You nailed Rogan.
Democrats need to involve experts who are involved in deprogramming people from cults to be part of their messaging
🤣🤣
I unsubsribed from Jimmy Dore instantly after the whale video. I had no idea he changed so much. It's really sad. I haven't watched one of his videos since 2020. Holy cow, he completely changed. He's a trump supporter now. Crazy.
Yes, they're all followers. But why not talk about the main reason for this? Which is the fact that people living in precarious economic situations for a long time actually get dumber (-13 IQ points according to studies) and thereby easier to exploit. And then the crazy danger of this - as Ai keeps taking more and more jobs - spiraling out of control? This should be your main focus in my opinion.
Liking every comment for the algorithm
This is a good conversation, it's important to call out the Pelosi's and Schumer's and push them left, BUT it needs to be done in the contest of explaining how much worse the right is then even the worst of the left
We need to be willing to work with the opposition center and opposition right. There are right wingers who have been for whatever reason stranded by the weird Trump era - we can pick them up, we can turn them. What's important is opposition to Trump, Musk, and the oligarchs ultimately. *Nearly everything else* I would say is negotiable while in opposition - let them think what they will about our plans, the advantage of opposition is that you don't have to concretize such things.
What I'm saying - the way politics is now, the real, meaningful political scale that exists now is opposition vs regime. Just as their is a regime left, center, and right, that all take various kayfabe positions and pretend to have some sort of debate within their sphere, while in reality it's all an orchestrated theater and they are coordinating behind the scenes on messaging. They wish their clown show stooge left to displace the actual left, much like Putin allows the Russian Communist party - it's a clown show, it's a not a threat to him. A liberal opposition party is the actual threat to him, and what you'll notice is that's precisely what is never allowed to be placed on the ballot within Russia. Instead somehow the choices are always a bunch of clowns and then Putin's party. But when Putin calls them up and tells them to fall in line about something important to the regime narrative, like anti lgbt laws, the "opposition" obsequiously obeys and engages in his stupid theatrics like having all them submit the bill simultaneously - how organic, what a certain sign of absolute popular support, we can't see what is going on.
Anyway, while building their system, they are going to make a lot of enemies on all sides. We need to put aside past differences and unify with anyone who gets tossed into the opposition. Otherwise, the regime system will isolate and destroy us one by one. It's ultimate goal is no opposition.
The thing is that Trump Republicans vote on vibes. They like that he says Americans first even though he really means lining his pockets first and undermining the Constitution.
So non Maga people who support America need to talk in vibes. Vibes Americans like, Americans are the best, being manly, family first, love of country, personal liberty.
I do not understand why Kyles channel doesnt have MILLIONS OF SUBS YET!
We need to do everything to help the algorithm each time we watch one of the video's
I don't think he does shorts and I think that would help a lot
Give it time …
I think talking with his audience helps. Plus he's been lacking media appearances
Cuz he says " dick and balls " lol jk. Actually it is odd.
So much good shit in this video. One if my favorites. The "being stuck ina specific year" thing is EXTREMELY noticeable for youtubers in general
Love these collabs that have been happening with other creators!
I don't agree w/all of Kyle's takes, but I watch daily because I know I'm going to get the truth. I know he is informed & is gonna give me his take, not what he thinks others want him to say.
That's fair.
I'm loving the scorched earth policy Kyle has been on; no hold's barred and I'm all for it.
I checked out Rogan for the first time in about a year the other day and first thing he was saying was how, "Tough" Trump is after being attacked by the media and Democrats. I just commented, "Oh, I didn't realize this channel is a propaganda machine now. No reason to listen to this guy anymore".
I'm now infinitely more curious about the internal workings and tensions at breaking points than I did before watching this.
Maga means witch in Latin, that explains a lot!
Unsubscribed from Jimmy over his stance on the Nazi salute.
Credit to you…….. but…… he was fried in 2020!!
@@TheJamiesterabsolutely!! That's when I stopped watching
I cut him out after he gave positive coverage to Georgia Maloni after she became PM. Dore's been fluffing up fascism for years, but I'm glad you've finally noticed!
If you weren't able to tell Dore was a full of shit grifter years ago, your media literacy is pretty poor
You’re unsubbing NOW??
It's good to hear this conversation. I was following Krystal Ball back when she lost a house race due to "slut shaming", I watched her afternoon show on MSNBC, she lost me when I saw her on the Hill podcast for the very reason they are talking about. I've been happy to have rediscovered her on this podcast.
Love this criticism and all 3 of them are 100% correct. That being said, Saagar is one of the biggest culprits of this and normalizing trumps facism. Krystal and Kyle need to do better calling him out
I was always interested in history and politics, even in grade school when my peers were not. And now I see my peers whom were not interested while in grade school are now very much so and they are watching the tim pools and Joe Rogans of the world...
Yep it’s because they grew up in a culture were those things (history and politics) are for sissies and real men drink and work to make lots of money and become family men. It’s called Machismo in the Latino community this was or is still ingrained where men are expected to marry, hustle, and provide for your family, and be manly and shit. Knowledge is viewed as weak and foe “girly men”.
Jon Stewart/ AOC 2028!
✊🇺🇸✌️
Please make this happen, DNC 🙏
You will get Kamala or Corey Booker.
The DNC doesn't want to win if it means running a progressive
I think we might also need to take a look at that way the show South Park spent decades setting the stage for the level of nastiness we currently see. They sorta smelled like leftists, they made a lot of little tongue in cheek jokes about right-wingers...the problem is they did it in the way a children's movie might put something in there only an adult will notice, and most of the content was sorta just red meat for dumb conservatives. They watch something like "Team America" unironically. They don't take it as an insult. Left got duped hard on that one.
Lol that's certainly one of the takes of all time
Sorry guys, but any criticism of the Democrats helps the Republicans. That's how Trump won. You can criticize privately, but broadcasting it too the world hurts. I wish it wasn't like that, but it is.
It’s called a grift. There’s money to be made grifting to the right wing
My man, Mike!!! All the love for 3 of my favorite commentators all together 💕💕💕
Schmo Rogan
Greetings fellow earthlings !!
21:47 it’s not that the money made that way they were already likely men with NPD or any form anti-social personality disorder that of course with the low position of wealth could “care” about being performative with any sense of “ normality” but until they INTENTIONALLY sought after profit seeking desires their “performative sense of morality” falls apart the amount of money equates to power they already have a mentality that based off of justifying Higharchy system bc they personally seek power through any mean necessary so that when you can see them for WHO THEY ARE they don’t become that way just bc they got richer those points of their personality was always there it’s just when it comes to putting on an act to the broader public of course it all seem shocking when the mask slips after they reach the “ status” they believe their entitled to. Iv always said this since iv learned about both NPD and Capitalism and realized Capitalism is a Play Ground for narcissist🤷🏻♀️
Trumpism made me WAY MORE progressive! 👍❤️
We’re talking about Saagar here right?
I'm really glad Jimmy Dore never stuck with me, there was just a way about him that I couldn't get into even if there was some of his content I agreed with. But he just seemed to get worse and worse.
I have to live with the embarrassment of having been a fan 😩
only time i enjoyed him was during the 2020 riots when was ranting every day about hating the cops lmao. he shut up about that real quick when he started making more appearences on tucker
@ Damn, but that's okay because it happens to us all at some point on here I think. Rogan is a big one for a lot of people in that way as well. Time changes everything and everyone and unfortunately not always in the ways we want. But we have the choice to stop listening, so we have that going for us! :D
For me I saw through his bullshit around early 2017
Bingo brother.
One of my biggest telling moments was when the fox files were released and tucker was hating on trump behind the scenes to his co workers but giving a different message on air.
When he went 'independent' and did all these podcasts did anyone ask him about this? No.
Imagine if the CNN anchor was caught saying something behind the scenes and saying something different on air and then independently on their own podcast.
Your statement about Jimmy Dore being 98% criticism of democrats is false and you would know this if you watch his show. Yes he has mostly criticized them recently and said SOME good things about Trump, but the reality is that he has actually done many anti or Trump critical peaces recently, called Trump a corrupt oligarch and stated that he would not and DID NOT vote for him. Jimmy Dore is actually not a Trump fan!
Yea he's in a no-mans-land: the left doesn't trust him and the right doesn't need him. Oops!
Love the Humanist channel.
Didn't Ryan Grim literally come out saying that it's good that DEI is gone a couple days ago? He got absolutely roasted for it.
He did.
It may be somewhat unpopular, but I actually don’t care about DEI either. I think a true meritocracy would be superior. Just hire the most qualified applicants. You don’t need to fill a quota.
@@oregonsbragiaDEI is necessary due to ingrained racism as well as historic factors which led to white people generally having advantages. And it doesn't necessitate hiring someone unqualified
@@oregonsbragia I don't have that much faith but we will see.
@@oregonsbragia Literally the excuse given to ignore certain races and only focus on white men, because they no longer have to consider other people at all if they don't like their name or picture. Congratulations. You drank the kool aid.
Mike is based. Thanks for having him on❤
Love him!