I picked up the black panzer for silver in a Black Market event. No one would call it strong but I’ve come to appreciate it when you respect its play style. I play it with my Lepord crews, so they get lots of experience. Love the index page, thanks!
Do you really enjoy playing it mate? I had nightmare playing Indien Pz and stock Leo PTA because of this gun... but It is the only Tier 8 premium for crew training :(
@@khangphan6764 I love the black panzer it's one of my favorite tank in the game, if you play the leopard I line it's the same gameplay, accurate sniper medium that works very well
7:47 "We're gonna rate tank stats like gun handling". In that case we need a special rating only for the WZ114 xD. Looking forward to the new updates to the index. And as always, awesome video skill :D
The Panzer 58 Mutz used to be my favourite medium tank when it first came into the game around 2015. I remember there was a mission marathon where I can rent the tank for 2 or 4 weeks (don't remember the exact details). Then I stopped playing the game entirely by 2016. Fast forward when I returned to WoT in 2020, I hardly see this tank on the battlefield anymore. Then in last year's Black Market (or a similar event), I rolled the dice and the best tank I got was the SchwarzPanzer 58 instead of the Type 59G. I bought it and I instantly regretted it. As a sniper tank, here are the problem with this Panzer 58 in today's meta: 1) Poor view range with fully skilled crews (+ Improved Vents) for a sniper tank (about 430m only). You needs either Coated Optics or Chocolate to bring it across 445m. 2) Poor camouflage values. 3) Mediocre mobility never mind the armour. Look this tank badly needs a buff. The STA-2 was buffed last year, I don't know why the Panzer 58 was left out. Even the Super Pershing, T-54 mod.1 and Type 59 was buffed throughout its existence in WoT. And we don't even need to talk about autoloading addiction nowadays.
About depending on teammates: there are only 2 ways in which you do not depend on teammates 1. you play in a broken tank like Pz IIJ in a lucky matchmaking where no one can hurt you but your ammo is sufficent to kill them all ... maybe you need a ramming kill once too 2. you get messed up in matchmaking with the op tanks and the better players all in red team.... depending on team then is useless, no hopes to win sorry to say option 2 is far more common as the Pz IIJ sometimes meet a Valentine willing to shot gold.......
@@edelmann4388 With a good armored, mobile tank (russian meds etc) you can be as good as possible. But a sniper, paper armored tank will sink together with the team.
I was considering getting it as my first premium, since I loved it in the Sandbox, but I'm glad I took the Patriot like many CCs recommend for new players. Now that I'm better medium player I'd like to get it sometime (though maybe not with bonds).
@@y55en45 Someone commented they bought it for silver on the Black Market. Shame they fucked up with the 404 Caravan, since now there's not BM this year.
What about the Halloween version of the mutz? No mention of the wraith? The panzer wraith is a strong front line tank due to that double layered armor.
Calling this a sniper is kinda silly, doesn't have alfa, doesn't have dpm, doesn't have pen, doesn't have acc, doesn't have aim time. There are many tanks that outclass this tank in every single aspect, it's just a bad tank which nobody drives if they have a better option.
@@pablopabulo You are aware that in the end that's exactly same thing right? Virtually all new prems mediums will dunk on this thing. Many have higher dpm, higher alfa, higher burst, higher armor, better mobility, etc. How do you think a tank get's to be called bad? Because it's worse then it's peers by a lot. This thing doesn't deserve to be called mediocre or average, it's straight up bad. And guess what everybody knows it. It's the 20th most played tier 8 medium for a reason. It's a bit above the play rate of tanks like the STA-2 and CDC. And those are bad tanks. All three are totally outclassed and outgunned. Don't get me wrong, I have a mutz and I've played 700 games with 57% WR in it, it's just not good anymore. The much higher burst and alfa guns of newer premium are the death knell of this tank.
@@pablopabulo Why would they buff that tank? FCM 50t, CDC, IS-6, all much older and even more outdated haven't been buffed yet, so why would this one suddenly get bufed?
Panzer "Schmutz" actually refers to "dirt" or "trash" but the true meaning most likely is that the tank is a bad performer xd or it is bad for the enemy because it is actaully good.. both are possible.
@@Ghostpanzer it is not available. and I dont have enough token to buy it but somehow i can manage to buy it soon I am saving money for the coming christmas box
@@edelmann4388. Yes I have almost all of the reward tanks... Stug IV, T28 HTC, T55A, Excalibur, Chimera, and of course Object 279 (e). Yes I am a player too :P Edit: I am missing 124 tanks and my collection will be 100% complete. These are the tanks that I can STILL get! of course there are others which are very rare that I can never get due to wargaming's stupid rules...
Skiiiiiiieeeeellll, you say the German nick name of the Tank "Panzer Schmutz", while it sounds similar to Mutz, it means "Crap, Dirt" in german (in my opinion it exactly is what this tank is) 😂 I often hear you using german words like sniper Schnitzel so im curious: Do you speak/learned german?
In German "Schnitzel" means carving, & in Bavaria "Mutz" is the word for bear, hence the bear on the turret. (Bar, daher der Bar auf dem Turm). Thank you, Danke.
@@shinyoneincarnate5565 in welchem Bundesland meint Schnitzel denn "schnitzen"? 😅 Abgesehen davon bezieht sich der Bär auf der Seite auf die Schweiz, weil der Pz 58 Mutz ein Schweizer Fahrzeug sein soll...
As top tier tank. I really think you should have been able to push the area where P45bis went to get rid of Leo before Comet and Guard went. Nashorn and maybe the T34/100 may have went with you so they don't really have to die in the open like that in the instant. Bis was surviving pretty well til it got ganged up. Every game I see top tier tanks pushing a flank the low tier players get a boost in moral and rush in with them. The same situation basically happen when Guard went in. Their lights rushed in. You may have been able to take advantage of killing leo first with dpm and gang up on comet before Guard went in with every team help using them as shield.
I like mutz but reason I don't play it is because it is sniper tank that can't really snipe. Its gun handling is so RNG that you have to get closer to make it reliable which removes to whole point of if its role and reason to play the tank. I would watch my fully aimed shots miss whole tank many times in the row, it is just sad. Gun handling buff is something all t8 sniping tanks need because they feel more like t44 and less like leo pt.
this game is getting increasing reliant on gold ammo. Wargaming needs to stop with this tactic of hull down meta, op premium tanks, and solution being gold spam. Eventually people started using gold even for paper tanks because they’re too lazy to press the 1 key 😅
I keep saying, cap gold at 20%, so you have to save it for a situation that calls for it, instead of sealing clubbing in an OP premium tier 8 with full gold against tech tree tier sixes, for example. Happens all the time. It’s BS.
@@markboyles8019 if the game is so bad, then stop playing. Plenty of other games out there without gold ammo. In anycase, 20% gold ammo is just stupid. M'y favourite perimum tank is the Lowe with 80 ammo count. 20% will still give me 16 premium rounds, enough for thé whole game while other tanks will only have 6.
@@deanwong6565 yeah a cap on a percentage is stupid. It would be smarter to allow to carry enough gold to kill the highest HP Enemy your tank can meet.
@@tajbashir166 Advice to yourself doesn't require mentions at other users. The mutz has good concealment, gun depression, a reliable 8.8 with good pen/accuracy, and decent view range. If you can't succeed in it, thats on you not the tank.
@@tajbashir166 I would strongly disagree. Look at what the changes did to the e50. They actually made it weaker overall because of the substantial lose of dpm. Also you're comparing an ebr to a sniper meduim? Why, what does that prove? Nothing. Then the bourasque isn't even close to the same roll of a mutz. Its a burst damage drive by tank. It damn sure cant provide substantial sniper support from a ridgeline like a mutz can. Neither of those two are better than the other. Both are excellent tanks in their respective rolls. A better comparison would be those french Sherman premuims. Well they only provide a hard hitting gun and thats at the price of a nearly 50% dpm decrease. Although the good alpha can provide with much better critical hits such as engines fires or ammo racks. Mutz is better in every other respect, save for the okayish armor on those shermans.
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The world needs to know: Was Skoda a Baboon?
true !!!
ward
😂😂😂😂
Yes I am hanging on an edge right now! I was hoping he would remember lol.
Yes, was he?? We need to know
I picked up the black panzer for silver in a Black Market event. No one would call it strong but I’ve come to appreciate it when you respect its play style. I play it with my Lepord crews, so they get lots of experience. Love the index page, thanks!
Do you really enjoy playing it mate?
I had nightmare playing Indien Pz and stock Leo PTA because of this gun... but It is the only Tier 8 premium for crew training :(
@@khangphan6764 I love the black panzer it's one of my favorite tank in the game, if you play the leopard I line it's the same gameplay, accurate sniper medium that works very well
I actually like mediums meant for sniping, so I'm really thinking about spending my 8k bonds on it.
I'm also thinking about the IS-6 B, I'm looking forward to grind soviet heavies, and that heavy tank might come in handy.
Here we are with a video without title 😎
Great title:
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7:47 "We're gonna rate tank stats like gun handling". In that case we need a special rating only for the WZ114 xD. Looking forward to the new updates to the index. And as always, awesome video skill :D
The Panzer 58 Mutz used to be my favourite medium tank when it first came into the game around 2015. I remember there was a mission marathon where I can rent the tank for 2 or 4 weeks (don't remember the exact details). Then I stopped playing the game entirely by 2016.
Fast forward when I returned to WoT in 2020, I hardly see this tank on the battlefield anymore. Then in last year's Black Market (or a similar event), I rolled the dice and the best tank I got was the SchwarzPanzer 58 instead of the Type 59G. I bought it and I instantly regretted it.
As a sniper tank, here are the problem with this Panzer 58 in today's meta:
1) Poor view range with fully skilled crews (+ Improved Vents) for a sniper tank (about 430m only). You needs either Coated Optics or Chocolate to bring it across 445m.
2) Poor camouflage values.
3) Mediocre mobility never mind the armour.
Look this tank badly needs a buff. The STA-2 was buffed last year, I don't know why the Panzer 58 was left out. Even the Super Pershing, T-54 mod.1 and Type 59 was buffed throughout its existence in WoT. And we don't even need to talk about autoloading addiction nowadays.
Were the Skoda a Baboon?! We need to know! What did the guy answer?
I want to know toooooo
Got Schwarzpanzer 58 from Black Market some years ago and it might be average but I love it.
thx for video skill, but remeber to tell the gentlemen next time "if you watch the video in the toilette ... DON'T FORGET TO FLUSH!!" hahaha
This Mutz is the clone of japanese STA tanks. And the same roller coaster to play. Your performance totally depends on your teammates.
It uses to be similar to the indien pz. But the indien got an alfa dmg buff
About depending on teammates: there are only 2 ways in which you do not depend on teammates
1. you play in a broken tank like Pz IIJ in a lucky matchmaking where no one can hurt you but your ammo is sufficent to kill them all ... maybe you need a ramming kill once too
2. you get messed up in matchmaking with the op tanks and the better players all in red team.... depending on team then is useless, no hopes to win
sorry to say option 2 is far more common as the Pz IIJ sometimes meet a Valentine willing to shot gold.......
@@edelmann4388 With a good armored, mobile tank (russian meds etc) you can be as good as possible. But a sniper, paper armored tank will sink together with the team.
world of tanks indeed
'nuff said
today we are playing the panzer mutz, No! Schwartz mutz, No! panzer 58!
for a second i thought it was Nutz
But but SKIEEEELLL, you put got "Mutz" all over my computer screen 🤣
DEEZ MUTS ? 🤨
He didn't start his dance soon enough to be identified as a Baboon. Not your fault. 🙂 Where kitty?
hmm Skill.. why no help to the east side in the second game? I would go there and help them win as a top tier.
enjoyed the video. thanks
Man this tank really shows how powercreeped the new premium mediums are, it's outright disgusting.
I was considering getting it as my first premium, since I loved it in the Sandbox, but I'm glad I took the Patriot like many CCs recommend for new players. Now that I'm better medium player I'd like to get it sometime (though maybe not with bonds).
@@pirig-gal can they sometimes be bought with gold?
@@y55en45 no idea
@@y55en45 Someone commented they bought it for silver on the Black Market. Shame they fucked up with the 404 Caravan, since now there's not BM this year.
Agreed, when the Mutz was first introduced all those years back it was considered a good balanced tank. Now it is just a pile of kakoo.
The title lol
If I get the Pz 58 Mutz with bonds,can i exchange it for Schwarzpanzer 58? I really like the black version of the tank
World of Tanks indeed!
this is my favourite tier 8, because it's so mediocre, it's all up to you
Played it in the Sandbox. It worked better for me than the Indien Panzer. It's so comfy, while not being bullshit powerful.
I am curious, is kpz 07 RH much better than mutz these day?
What about the Halloween version of the mutz? No mention of the wraith?
The panzer wraith is a strong front line tank due to that double layered armor.
That one doesn't exist in PC version yet.
Calling this a sniper is kinda silly, doesn't have alfa, doesn't have dpm, doesn't have pen, doesn't have acc, doesn't have aim time.
There are many tanks that outclass this tank in every single aspect, it's just a bad tank which nobody drives if they have a better option.
Not Bad just outdated
@@pablopabulo You are aware that in the end that's exactly same thing right?
Virtually all new prems mediums will dunk on this thing.
Many have higher dpm, higher alfa, higher burst, higher armor, better mobility, etc.
How do you think a tank get's to be called bad? Because it's worse then it's peers by a lot. This thing doesn't deserve to be called mediocre or average, it's straight up bad.
And guess what everybody knows it.
It's the 20th most played tier 8 medium for a reason. It's a bit above the play rate of tanks like the STA-2 and CDC. And those are bad tanks.
All three are totally outclassed and outgunned. Don't get me wrong, I have a mutz and I've played 700 games with 57% WR in it, it's just not good anymore.
The much higher burst and alfa guns of newer premium are the death knell of this tank.
Didnt get buffed yet, cya!
@@pablopabulo Why would they buff that tank?
FCM 50t, CDC, IS-6, all much older and even more outdated haven't been buffed yet, so why would this one suddenly get bufed?
@@tobiasL1991 because they can, and communities can así for it.
The old farts(sight)
Panzer "Schmutz" actually refers to "dirt" or "trash" but the true meaning most likely is that the tank is a bad performer xd or it is bad for the enemy because it is actaully good.. both are possible.
Hello skill! I just got the Obj.430U 🥰. I wish I could have the 3D style for this tank. Thank you for coming back skill! Iloveyou
Pretty sure you can get it in the token shop in the battle pass shop
@@Ghostpanzer it is not available. and I dont have enough token to buy it but somehow i can manage to buy it soon I am saving money for the coming christmas box
O no title is broken
BOOOOOOO!!!
SHAAAAAMEEEE!!!
You've killed a Baboon
I think Mutz is very good tank💪🔥
I agree, its a good tier 8, that can hold its own up to tier 9.
I am a tank collector and I have 525 tanks in my garage. Now I am saving money to buy all the ones I am missing - lol
How many to go then.... about 100 ?
What about the reward tanks.. You have them? If Yes, you are not only a collector but a player too
i have 461 tanks !!!
@@edelmann4388.
Yes I have almost all of the reward tanks... Stug IV, T28 HTC, T55A, Excalibur, Chimera, and of course Object 279 (e). Yes I am a player too :P
Edit: I am missing 124 tanks and my collection will be 100% complete. These are the tanks that I can STILL get! of course there are others which are very rare that I can never get due to wargaming's stupid rules...
@@strachinescucozminstelian9156.
Nice. I have 525 and still have 124 more to go :P
nice
world of tanks
Skiiiiiiieeeeellll, you say the German nick name of the Tank "Panzer Schmutz", while it sounds similar to Mutz, it means "Crap, Dirt" in german (in my opinion it exactly is what this tank is) 😂
I often hear you using german words like sniper Schnitzel so im curious: Do you speak/learned german?
In German "Schnitzel" means carving, & in Bavaria "Mutz" is the word for bear, hence the bear on the turret. (Bar, daher der Bar auf dem Turm). Thank you, Danke.
@@shinyoneincarnate5565 in welchem Bundesland meint Schnitzel denn "schnitzen"? 😅
Abgesehen davon bezieht sich der Bär auf der Seite auf die Schweiz, weil der Pz 58 Mutz ein Schweizer Fahrzeug sein soll...
but skiiiiiiiil there is a difference! panzer 58 has no camo included
How about taking Obj 430U for a ride?;)
Wow
Thanks for listening to me .
Looks like a worse KPZ07RH in every way except Alpha dmg.
Hello sir
As top tier tank. I really think you should have been able to push the area where P45bis went to get rid of Leo before Comet and Guard went. Nashorn and maybe the T34/100 may have went with you so they don't really have to die in the open like that in the instant. Bis was surviving pretty well til it got ganged up. Every game I see top tier tanks pushing a flank the low tier players get a boost in moral and rush in with them. The same situation basically happen when Guard went in. Their lights rushed in. You may have been able to take advantage of killing leo first with dpm and gang up on comet before Guard went in with every team help using them as shield.
The DPM and gun depression of Guard was no better than than the panzer 58.
Thanks Skill! You were shooting well, but it's low Alpha damage didn't help.
MUTZ
Its my first premium tank
I like mutz but reason I don't play it is because it is sniper tank that can't really snipe. Its gun handling is so RNG that you have to get closer to make it reliable which removes to whole point of if its role and reason to play the tank. I would watch my fully aimed shots miss whole tank many times in the row, it is just sad. Gun handling buff is something all t8 sniping tanks need because they feel more like t44 and less like leo pt.
good tank just dont get hit
21:44 Friendly fire :(
World of tanks
World of tanks is one of the best tier VIII tanks
Gj
this game is getting increasing reliant on gold ammo. Wargaming needs to stop with this tactic of hull down meta, op premium tanks, and solution being gold spam. Eventually people started using gold even for paper tanks because they’re too lazy to press the 1 key 😅
this applies to the whole game
Drink much koolaid???
I keep saying, cap gold at 20%, so you have to save it for a situation that calls for it, instead of sealing clubbing in an OP premium tier 8 with full gold against tech tree tier sixes, for example. Happens all the time. It’s BS.
@@markboyles8019 if the game is so bad, then stop playing. Plenty of other games out there without gold ammo. In anycase, 20% gold ammo is just stupid. M'y favourite perimum tank is the Lowe with 80 ammo count. 20% will still give me 16 premium rounds, enough for thé whole game while other tanks will only have 6.
@@deanwong6565 yeah a cap on a percentage is stupid. It would be smarter to allow to carry enough gold to kill the highest HP Enemy your tank can meet.
I don't know about you but I tend to wiggle my gun to hide cupola and so. Once I met somebody who acted like baboon. I was one shot. WTF
weeeeeee
Day 2 of asking Skieeeeel to play E5
Day 442 without AEG platoon daily dose of skill
Tier8 kpz is more fun and way better
epic fail tanks
Shooting at baboon... bad skill
Day 67 : Skieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel, pls play the buffed 'murican T34.
But pls play T-34-3
@@kelvisshandei but only after T34 😈
wow cringe i thought for 3 games there will be 3 versions of mutz im disappointed
Typical WOT Randoms, once in a daystream you are toptier and the score is 0:6 after 2 minutes. I hate this moments and want to deinstal the game
Trash tier tank, end of.
this tanks sux
skill issue
@@pirig-gal get gud
@@tajbashir166 Advice to yourself doesn't require mentions at other users.
The mutz has good concealment, gun depression, a reliable 8.8 with good pen/accuracy, and decent view range.
If you can't succeed in it, thats on you not the tank.
@@DarkMaidenFlan all 90 mm guns need damage buff to 280
you literally can't face a Bourasque or EBR
why you put your team in disadvantage and lose ?
@@tajbashir166 I would strongly disagree. Look at what the changes did to the e50. They actually made it weaker overall because of the substantial lose of dpm.
Also you're comparing an ebr to a sniper meduim? Why, what does that prove? Nothing.
Then the bourasque isn't even close to the same roll of a mutz. Its a burst damage drive by tank. It damn sure cant provide substantial sniper support from a ridgeline like a mutz can. Neither of those two are better than the other. Both are excellent tanks in their respective rolls.
A better comparison would be those french Sherman premuims. Well they only provide a hard hitting gun and thats at the price of a nearly 50% dpm decrease. Although the good alpha can provide with much better critical hits such as engines fires or ammo racks. Mutz is better in every other respect, save for the okayish armor on those shermans.
I am proggeto , pleasure is mine my man ! (Username on wot : i_m_cheater) third battle