Everything you need to know about Boxlocks
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ย. 2022
- Jonny teams up with Simon from Holts Auctioneers to learn and discuss the workhorse of the side by side world - The Boxlock!
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I’ve watched this a half dozen times and still my favorite TH-cam video of all time! I could sit down and listen to videos about old high quality sporting arms all day! Brilliant!
I bet when ever Jonnie's hyper at home Mrs C rings Simon and gets him to talk Jonny down 🤭🤭🤭 awesome lecture👍
Mm
I am 81 years of age and still shoot, and I do love it when you two get together on the subject of side by sides. As to BASC I consider them to be no friend of the true game shooter.
With you there, especially re lead.
Simon is always an excellent addition to this channel. The vintage gun videos are by far the most engaging, entertaining segments presented
Simon is such an interesting and knowledgable guy I could listen to him for hours, what a team 👍🏻
Simon is a natural teacher
A real gentleman, you can tell he’s an expert just by hearing him speak
It might be just hiting my interests, but this particular episode is one of the best I've seen on TGS. I really enjoyed the deep knowledge od the subject, you guys brought. Simon is a walking library! I hope you guys will film similar episode with the over and unders, sidelocks...German Suhl guns (Jonny promised me in one comment 😂). Greetings from Serbia.
Tremendous job defining the boxlock system.
I’ll be brief, this could be my favorite TGS video ever!
The knowledge you chaps have is fabulous.
More videos like this please most of these are incredibly affordable i always find side by sides more interesting then any other type of shotgun there’s such a variation from cheap to best quality
As a follower of this channel and a side by side enthusiast who owns both sidelocks and box locks, I have enjoyed this video immensely. As a Spaniard who admires the quality of guns built in my home country, I slightly resent the derogatory comments about Spanish guns. There are extremely well built examples that can be bought for pennies because they do not have an English name to them.
If its not Scottish.....it's crap!
Those who really know, know Spanish guns are excellent. It’s not a bad thing to be the 2nd best gun maker in the world, behind the UK.
I have seen some beautiful Spanish shotguns. Idk if they are good or not
Love that Wesley Richards droplock, gorgeous!. Never knew there was such a thing ! Side plates used to be my fave but these are way cooler than those or modern DTs .Thanks for the film and another peak into Simon's encyclopaedic knowledge. I shall view box locks in a whole new light.
This is so good. I just bought a WW Greener on an A&D action whose serial number puts it made in 1880. The really neat thing for me is that Westley Richards apparently sleeved the barrels and made a new stock in about 1960, so it's proofed for modern ammo. It's no museum or collector's piece, but it's a great shooter's piece.
I picked up a BSA - Birmingham Small Arms box-lock last year. I really love it. I have no idea what the quality of the brand is, but I really like it. It's the first of my collection.
I could easily listen to you and Simon talk about British shotguns all day. This is a beautiful advertorial for the boxlock. Even though I’m in Australia and it’s not super cheap to ship a shotgun over here, I’ll still be bidding after watching this! Great stuff gents.
Thanks so much for the treatise on Greener and Anson and Deely. Very engrossing.
Great video thank you. My first and favourite of all my collection is a 1903 William Powell boxlock. Beautifully balanced and simple and magnificent wood.
Jonny, Simon, thank you both for another great video - keep them coming!!
As you said.Truly fascinating.Thanks.
Love my AYA boxlock. Quality through-out. Tough as nails!
Great episode 👊
Ejectors, I have to agree. My late father's bane was chasing empties.
He enjoyed the reloading process as much as the shoot.
Brilliant - entertaining and informative. Thanks.
Thank You Both. 👏🥂
I had the pleasure of meeting Simon at the Northern Shooting Show. A fantastic guy who I thanked for creating my interest in collecting old English shotguns. His level of knowledge is incredible and like others have said I could listen to him talk for hours in an attempt to learn as much as I can about this subject. I have watched this video about six times now and love every minute of it. I hope to meet him again one day to tell him of what possible gems I have found due to listening to his expertise. I hope one day I will get the chance to visit Holt's and take part in an auction.
I enjoyed that. Thanks Simon. I never take issue with your measured opinions.
Thank you for a wonderful channel. I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, and the others with Mr. Reinhold on the subject of our British crafted traditional side-by-side game guns. It reminded me of a favourite sentence from Steve Bodio's book, 'Good Guns' wherein the author asks, "Why kill a beautiful bird with an ugly gun?" I would love to see an episode featuring walked-up shooting for red grouse, pointed by our traditional pointing dogs bred for that game, the English setter and pointer, and taken with our beautiful British SxS guns. How sad it is that both (our guns and dogs) have become obsolete to continental breeds and guns . . .
A series of very enjoyable videos. 👌
I greatly appreciate this video as I recently came across a J. Roberston (mentioned around 25:57 ) that I decided to pick up on the suspicion that it was a trade gun sold by Boss & Co. I could listen to Simon talk about guns all day and never get tired of it. Such an immense and fascinating wealth of knowledge.
Outstanding. Very enjoyable.
super conversation, deep transfer of knowledge. thanks! 👍
Diggory haddoke, has great information and books about sideklocks, boxlocks, hammer guns., very good books and pictures,
It was at a time before youtube and all the good channels on vintage guns., this is by far my favorite channel, well done guys.
A very interesting subject
Well presented
Beautiful guns thank you.
Some of the most beautiful Boxlock I have ever seen are the Prussian charles Daly. Not sure if they were available in UK. The other is Francotte. I own a few Francotte box locks and one sideplated box lock live pigeon gun. Very well made and high grade guns. Cheers Ron
Great video! You almost seemed to be in love, which is a great thing! Lots of good information on box locks, excellent and informative. Looking forward to more, in the line of this! Cheers!
"Boxlockery"......😂 word of the day.
My friend lives in greeners old house on the river wye. I love my old single barrel martini action greener, my first shotgun. It's definitely a farmers gun, but it has never failed. It doesn't like modern powder cartridges, if you try and eject the cartridge to soon after the shot it won't eject, leave it a few more seconds and it will fly out the same. Just wish the gun was worth something so I could justify getting the stock extended to fit me now.
Well presented, I would love to shoot that SC boxlock on a Clays course.
Simon has an encyclopaedic knowledge
Was much the same thing that plagued Boxlocks also hung over the beautiful Winchester Model-21. The quality was there, but it always fought an uphill battle against the Sidelock.
Very nice all short guns
I would love to see Simon have his own channel
Well I gained a lot of knowledge
Thank you.
Hi guys, love the channel. I have just bought my self a side by side, side lock and my friend bought an AYA box lock to have ago at shooting something different, and I'm glad we did , having fun all the way. I have noticed that the side lock is harder to cock than the box lock, is this the way with these guns or is there something wrong with the side lock ?
Simon is absolutely right with that estimate on the Stephen grant haha. I was planning on bidding on it thinking it was 'cheap'. IT WILL GO FOR MORE
I must admit I'm a Boswell nerd , great viewing .
Please do a video on 2 inch 12 bores!
Jonny / Simon, thanks for producing such a outstanding video. I love your deep dive into the British boxlock trade. Besides Diggory Hadoke's book "British Boxlock Gun & Rifle", what books do you recommend for learning more on side by side development, action design? Keep up the good work.
In addition to Mr. Hadoke's book, Douglas Tate's Birmingham Gunmakers is quite good!
Great Vlog guys.
Could you do a piece on the Jones Under Lever action and if anyone is still making it in Europe.
I know there is a custom Gunsmith in the US making them.
Stoltz something I think?
"Unreliability is enjoyable". If that’s not a defining English charactaristic I don’t know what is. The old joke about English cars is if an engineer can design a car that breaks down in a manner you can’t fix, then he wins. However, as usual this is an interesting video.
My auto mechanic was happily perusing a boat catalog after a customer of his bought a used Bentley without consulting him in advance. I think that the only shotgun I've ever owned that required a repair is a Greener. But its handling qualities are certainly very good.
Brilliant
Hi Mate. I have a Greener sxs Royal G60 with Baker ejectors, 12 gauge
When storing it disassembled I fired it so that the springs are not under tension
Now when trying to assemble it the locks do not move, the barrels cannot be reassembled
I thought that by reloading it, which I did by pushing the hammers back, the locks would release.
But no, it's still stuck
Do you know what I should do or what I'm doing wrong?
From already thank you very much
Darío Queija
One day my daughters bought me a "Gun Dog", pedigree and even a name. "Here is your Christmas gift dad, its name too is one dear to your heart". So without further ado I called my new gun to heel, "Here boy Dixon Round Action". "No dad, its one of the Markdown Muffin strain". I have always desired a Dixon Round Action Shotgun, hence the dogs name, he later answered to Purdy.
Having also owned sidelocks, I have to say my best English box locks are better balanced, more beautiful, more refined and just tremendously great guns
question! if the triggers on a box lock are fired whilst the action is off the barrel, how do you reset the action? thank you in advance.
Superb👍
Can you guys do an episode of a bunch of the black powder muzzleloader flint and cap locks that you have coming up in your next auction??? !!!!
Great video, but I'm a bit confused on one thing. Your photos of the lumps on a Greener FP look nothing like the lumps on my Greener FP. Mine was lettered from Greener and was started and finished in 1903. So, did the name Fascile Princeps get used over a series of different actions? Really curious about that.
Those are some very nice shotguns.
How often do Holts have a auction?
Love W.W. GREENER boxlocks...
You have obviously never had to try and fix the ejector work on one of there Guinee guns !😁😁
What cartridges do you shoot with these older 12ga guns, most of them seem to have 2 1/2 inch (63mm) chambers and there is virtually nowhere I can find to get anything less than 2 3/4 inch (70mm) ammunition ?
Any store that sells S&B, Kent, Challenger, RST... ought to be able to order some 2.5" shells
Where their any William Powell’s In this?
I dont know why UK have dumped box locks, plenty of good English box locks in Oz, used in the field and sporting competitions.
I have 2 x Boswell's, 1 x Bland, 2 x BSA. The Boswell's are high grade guns, the wood to metal fit and metal to metal is outstanding, I look at MX8 and there is
no comparison, lacking in refinement for a USD$10K gun, the stocks grade on the Boswell is better than many guns made by top tier UK makers.
One of best handling guns is a BSA s/n 27537 30" chopper lump barrels 1235 grm, 6lb 8oz, beautifully balanced, long tapper chokes 1/8 & 1/2, 2 3/4 chambers.
I think the barrels where custom made(profiled) to buyers specification.
The Boswell pigeon gun is made on a 10ga(8lb 6oz) action, 32" barrels, F&F, 1 1/2oz proof, the gun was used to win a Aston Martin Lagonda at Monte Carlo in 1930's,
inherited by my Grand Father, my father witnessed the owner shoot 39 ducks straight before missing.
Mostly right but a few slips and errors . Talk of Westley Richards and show a Webley . W Greener not WW Greener was the muzzle loader supporter and is a scallop back not a scoop .There were several Court cases involving patent infringements Greener versus Bonehill for one , many of the Patents granted in the late 1800's would not stand up to day and wee tenuous even then .
I’m from mainland USA and own a coach shotgun side by side stoeger - is the terminology Boxlock for antique guns, an English terminology or can it be a modern terminology? Is the shotgun I have called a BOXLOCK?
The term is evergreen. It just refers to the mechanism
I like boxlocks
Don’t forget G E Lewis, Birmingham
Please ship these beautiful, high quality guns to the US- we pay more for poor quality turkish sxs
How about lobbying our politicians to simplify the import process (fees) ?
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Due to BASC . Most will be. Wall Hangers when steel comes in..
If you do a bit of research you will find this is far from the situation.
Craig, it's due to the government, not BASC. What you say is simply untrue.
Ngarut mike neh..
I completely misread that title.
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Gee I read that quickly , thought we were getting an explanation of British swear words.
Don’t give BASC all the credit..
ahem, ahem....
That Greener safety is the most awful ever made!
Very difficult to understand, 5 minutes into the video and I have learned nothing other than Greener was blind.
I had hoped to gain some practical knowledge, and so will watch it again. Be kind to your viewers, many people don’t have years of break action shotgun familiarity.