The Manhunt Iceberg Explained
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- The Manhunt Iceberg Explained
0:00 Intro
1:58 Tip of the Iceberg
18:39 Beneath the Surface
23:52 The Body of the Iceberg
37:25 The Depths of the Iceberg
45:03 The Bottom of the Iceberg
55:36 The Abyss
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Music -
Manhunt OST - Menu
Manhunt OST - Strapped for Cash
Manhunt OST - View of Innocence
Manhunt OST - Divided They Fall
Manhunt OST - Time 2 Die
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Lost Media Playlist: • Lost Media
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Off-duty cops within Hoods is canon since the ones with pantyhoses and jackets can shout "Freeze! You dumbass!" as if they accidentally used police lingo and tried to cover it up by insulting Cash, not to mention they sound more gruff and are older than the other Hoods.
This is the type of worldbuilding that makes Rockstar great.
I didn't notice that
I figured it being stated in the manual for the game meant it was canon. Had no idea it was viewed as a "theory"
Fr harry du bois
@@seananthonyawe2662 Harry Du Bois hahaha
Pretty sure it’s explicitly stated & acknowledged that they are off-duty cops there’s no theory or speculation required lol
I’m like 92% sure the abandoned house from bully is an Easter egg in one of the neighborhoods in bully where a chainsaw and oinking can be heard from the window
thats awesome ive never heard of that!
bruh i just commented that i wasted my time once again🙁
@@dumbage rip
L stolen comment
@@dumbage rip homie
I think Carcer City is actually based on Camden New Jersey a city just outside Philadelphia that was once a vast growing community based around the industrialization of Philly, but has fallen into decay. The crime there has gotten so bad that local authorities have experimented with CCTV surveillance to monitor the streets and crack down on crime. The CCTV system similar to what Stark Weather uses in the game.
Is it still the same or got improved?
Nice
No
Yep. Anyone from south jersey/Philly area knows about Camden. I immediately thought of Camden or Detroit for carcer city
@@yeai9484 no
It sucks that it was revealed by the police that in the murder case about manhunt 1 it was the victim who use to play the game, not the perpetrator but the media still blamed Rockstar.
Starkweather encouraging quotes are like a teacher guiding a student, while Leo's are like a proud older brother lol
Fair points in regards to Starkweather and Leoin terms of how they treat us in both games. I didn’t realize until you pointed it out in regards to the dynamics they both had.
I also agree that the murder case, although incredibly tragic, was certainly unfair to all parties including Rockstar. An innocent person, a fan of theirs, was killed and they were then blamed.
People always look for an easy answer to blame all the bad in society, even when they know it makes no sense
"Journalists" love to twist stories for clicks and sales
@NefashusLP If the media just make up facts, then what's the point of them?
@@SamuelBlack84Not necessarily make up, but twist. It appeals to fears and prejudices of society, that's why it gets a lot of traction. "Panic Culture" or something akin to that
as someone who's current obsession is manhunt the timing could not have been more perfect
Your not the only one rn
Nice man. Same here haha do you have reedit channel? I'm part of the Manhunt fan page on there.
Same, I was just about to look for a Manhunt Iceberg and this video showed up in notifications
Same!!!
@@DexihandSV01 creepy
so glad to see Manhunt get talked about and all the lore explained in 2023. this game has such an atmosphere that i genuinely have not seen or felt from any other. the real world tie-ins like the valiant video website, serial killer names, and news about this game's violence almost made it all feel like a fantastic fever dream. there may nvr be something as dark and gruesome as Manhunt ever again, but a thoughtful remaster, direct sequel, or 3rd unrelated story would be absolutely insane
i think with todays graphics, the violence would be much to much for most people lol
i remember buying it off the controversy ALONE
it was the best thing that could’ve happened to this game. i remember kids at school bought it opening day because lots of us were concerned they’d pull it off shelves because of all the hysteria
Very well said mate 👍👏 couldn’t agree more. I spent a lot of time on edge in this game and it really ramps up the tension and feeling of unease even 20 years later!
The tension in Subnautica and Alien Isolation reminds me of the feeling i had all those years ago in Manhunt!
A good quality remake with emphasis on the stealth and thinking on your feet in regards to crafting, hiding, distracting, etc would be incredible. Think about how many options there are in Metal Gear Solid V to mess with guards, or how they adapt to you; (for example they will start wearing helmets if you go for headshots a lot)
Imagine that kind of AI , made way more aggressive and suspicious. Able to co ordinate and use the same tools you have to help flush you out or corner you...
Put that AI in a modern engine and stick with the story , create the different stages as individual sandboxes with their own loot, terrain, pros and cons(if it’s a wet muddy zoo your footprints could give you away?)weather,
@@LethalKicks I Don't know I think they could pull it off red dead and other horror games like outlast are pretty violent.
@@LethalKicks nobody is forced to watch a human being decapitated thats why there are tags and ratings on the game's box cover which informs the buyer what he is going to expect you cant buy a game with 18 and above rating and expect it to be mario cartoon shit for kids
I believe Jimmy Hopkins is not James Cash.
Jimmy was some sort of "anti-hero", but Jimmy would never become a killer. That's more Gary's style...
Agreed.
Jimmy never struck me as the silent but deadly type.... hes cocky and tough but with a good heart.
@@SODAMEiSTER Totally, man.
Jimmy's good side always got so evident in the moments he decided to help Petey, Zoey, Edna, Ms. Phillips, Mr. Galloway, etc...
Jimmy is not the "golden boy" type, but he always seemed to care much about some people to simply become a Serial Killer in the end.
its such a reach. just a tumblr style clueless fan theory. why would an innocent school themed game’s protagonists end up to be more murderous than all other rockstar protagonists combined
Dan Houser had already confirmed and stated long ago that he'd never seen Jimmy as "that level of degenerate" and how he's too white collar to be a carjacker or any kind of criminal.
What people also don't seem to understand is that, just because characters and even places are being referenced in another Rockstar game, does not mean they are within the same universe. For example, characters like Tommy, CJ, Claude, etc. names are written on a wall in GTA IV. Doesn't mean they are in the HD universe. Or really, making any reference to that at all. It's just a simple nod and a bit of fun on their side to reference beloved protagonists from their previous games.
I feel like the only exception to that rule about universes when it comes to GTA was Claude Speed, who was in GTA 2 and GTA 3 and GTA SA. And those were the times before Rockstar established the whole different GTA universes thing, iirc. (In case anyone doesn't know, in the past, there was an official Rockstar character quiz which did refer to GTA 3 Claude as Claude Speed, along with a Q&A rockstar did giving a nod to that by saying his surname 'may or may not' be Speed.) Though, still a mystery, I feel like there are more reasons for that connection than believing James is Jimmy.
that theory is dumb
You should’ve mentioned the only tie manhunt has to that murder case is the victim owning the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yea it was just another bullshit reason for politicians and police to shit on videogames.
Think that was also proven to be false
@@hypnoticflower3152 I’ve yet to see any reporting that says that was false. Quite the opposite actually as the victims parents tried a civil lawsuit on those grounds and they lost because there was no relation between the game and the crime.
Also, I’m writing like this so my replies don’t get censored or hidden for detailed/specific to the case.
It's like blaming a horror film made in the Silent Film era for getting cancer
12:25 you're mistaken, Gary Schaffer got his corruption charges dropped BEFORE the events of Manhunt 1. Those were separate charges, he actually got arrested after the first manhunt
In 1994 a man named Tom Hallorn was arrested in London for selling snuff films, in the tabloid newspaper's it said "Mr Nasty sells death videos to our kids"
He could also be a reference to the unidentified Australian criminal dubbed as "Mr. Cruel". He's committed some extremely depraved crimes and wore a signature balaclava - something that Mr. Nasty can be seen wearing in a photo on the game's website.
So something I haven’t been able to find any mention of from the 2nd game, is that on the first chapter Awakening after the fisticuffs tutorial, Leo tells you to ‘get patched up’, and if you stay there staring at Leo through the bars instead of going for the meds and the syringe in the adjacent room, Leo will start rambling on about how he wants to take over Danny’s body, and if you look closely you can see a certain texture on him, sorta like he’s glitching. It’s a huge spoiler for it being on the first 5 minutes of the game, but it’s a pretty cool detail that apparently remains kinda hidden even within the fan community.
I remember hearing him rambling too but I forgot what he was saying. I remember it seemed kinda insulting tho
When I first played the game I noticed it too
I didn't notice that when I watched the gameplay. Now umma have to go back and see
can you share how you heard it? how long did you have to wait, what platform, whether you took damage during the fight or not etc.
i'm asking because i've dug through the files and tested in game yet i haven't heard what you're talking about
they probably just reused his enemy AI stuff from personality clash, it happens even if you don't "stare at him" sometimes (in my experience on the console versions moreso than the PC) just a bug I'd say
55:40 Seeing this right now makes me so happy, thanks for the credit. I made this iceberg and version of Manhunt 2 because i love our community and i want to give that game the justice it deserves. Nice video, you only missed a few parts of the iceberg but still real good content!
You knocked it out of the park, subsections in icebergs are such a great idea. Great job man.
There’s always a but.
What disturbs me the most is that the Valiant Video Enterprises website was designed to look like it came from the deep web...in 2003. _Long_ before the dark web entered the public imagination. I don't want to know what kind of research they had to do to get the aesthetics right.
There's a reason r* almost had a mutiny for the game. They did a LOT of research. Honestly I wish they'd make a documentary on the game
@@ghastlytrench6554And that's why these games were censored. Snuff, trafficking, seemingly unstoppable slashers, and brainwashing.
It's great to see Manhunt still getting some attention. The 1st game is one of Rockstars best games in their catalog.
The first game is great but the 2nd one steps it up even more.
Is it worth buying and playing today? Never played but big gta fan
@Go Birds well worth! It was banned cause of the rating and gore in multiple countries
@Go Birds the 1st game is definitely worth playing. It's easily accessible on multiple platforms. The 2nd game however isn't for sale anywhere as far as I can remember, so you'll have to go through either key websites or find a rom to play it on PC. And of course physical copies are available, however they'll be the censored versions of the game.
@@mustbemeech Just got the first one on Xbox one about 2 months ago and even 20 years later, it's still an amazing game! A lot of it was nostalgia cuz it was one of my favorite games as a teen but it was also just a really fun game too. If you enjoy the stealth style at the start and can get used to the somewhat poor shooting controls later in the game, you'll like it. I'd give it 10/10 even with the few issues it has but that's just me, to each their own. It's a bit slower paced than GTA and you have to use stealth, going guns blazing will get you killed immediately. That being said, it's got a great story and is probably one of the best rockstar games from the 3D universe, right up there with GTA 3, vice city and San Andreas imo!
The photo of Cash in San Fierro police station can actually fit into canon since during the events of San Andreas, Cash was on the run from the law so the station would probably have "wanted"/"if you see this man call 911" type photos
Fun fact: Carcer means prison in latin. So while Liberty City basically means Freedom City, Carcer City would be the opposite
u right man, "carcere"in italian means prison, so yeah
And in Russian this word means "isolated strict zone for punished prisoners", so yeah, kinda poetic
So that's where the word "incarcerated" comes from, I always thought carcer city was intended to sound like cancer city.
@@UrosStankovic-xf9uq yeh bro other languages exists
Mr. Nasty could be a reference to Mr. Cruel, a serial child diddler in Austrailia known mostly for the fact that he never got caught and no one has any clue who he is. While there are three confirmed cases of him kidnapping and diddling, there are suspected earlier cases as well and a later murder that may or may not be related to him. While Mr. Cruel didn't fund or make snuff films the resemblence in name and the fact that no one has a clue who Mr. Nasty is makes him a possible inspiration for R* creating the character.
Apparently there was also a guy in the 80s who was selling R and X rated movies to kids in the uk who got the moniker “mr nasty” by the press after he was caught
Regarding mr cruel, there is a theory that he was actually one of the most infamous and evil people to exist, Peter Scully, who lived in that city around that time and did the exact same things mr cruel did, but on tape. He is currently in prison in Singapore and claims he is a victim or some shit like that.
@@chandllerburse737 I don't think so? As far as im aware Mr. Cruel was never caught, but Scully fits the description perfectly
Jfc
@@josgretf2800I highly doubt Scully would be an inspiration for Mr Nasty since Manhunt was developed and released WAY before Peter Scully was ever even known to exist.
I love everyone keeping the manhunt name alive makes me so happy we all care about a single player game from 20 years ago 😂
20 years! Fuck.
I played this as a teenager when it came out. Damn it has been a long time lol.
Here's a little fact about the Manhunt Steam version: Rockstar sells Razor's cracked executable, although masked, and is why it doesn't work on current operative systems. The original crack worked up to Windows XP, but Rockstar wasn't aware of that and the anti-piracy measures are triggered in Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10 and 11. Vadim M made a video about this in depth, but in short, Rockstar was so lazy on the Steam release that they took an ancient crack, removed Razor's signature, and didn't bother to test it before selling it on Steam, leading people to believe the game had compatibility issues when in reality they're falling victim of the built-in anti-piracy measures, even though they legally own the game.
sorry to "umm acshually" u but, the murder case that involved the media saying the police found a copy of manhunt is a bit deeper than just that, the family did try to sue but they failed because it turned out the game was found in the victims room, not the killer's. (also there is an uncensored version of the manhunt 2 for the wii, although i think it only released on certain countries) (also also the first tier of the iceberg the abandoned house its probably referring to in Bully is one that supposedly has piggsy inside, theres a really old video on youtube where it shows if you get close you can hear piggsy but it may have been a hoax, i dunno)
The uncensored versions of both Manhunt 1 and 2 have recently been recovered and are up on Internet Archive now as well!
@@bing2869 links?
@@bing2869there was no uncut version of the first manhunt.
There was no uncensored version of manhunt 2 for the wii released to retailers. People modded it to be uncensored.
@@perrypetrie did u not watch this video lol
So glad you're covering this game, I've grown up with this game ever since Manhunt 1 released and I've been hooked on these kinda games and even the Postal series since.
maybe you shouldn't have grown up with this game, that doesn't sounds like a very good thing you know
@@unoriginalperson72 I have grown up with all the most violent and depraved games in the world, haven't pulled a single punch nor start a fight in the 25 years of my existence.
Lmao my mom bought me manhunt 2 on the psp when i was a child🤣 i just realized that it had a adult only rating
@@unoriginalperson72 bud… my mom bought it for my psp when i was a child
@@unoriginalperson72 cringe
The crazy thing about Donald Love is that even if he ISN'T 'a Manhunt character' technically, he's STILL objectively one of the most fucked up Rockstar characters with possibly the highest canonical body count out of anyone else save for Toni Cipriani himself. His cannibalism was already revealed in 3, but displayed in full glory and amped up past 11 in LCS. But that's not the craziest thing he does: he very casually orchestrates what would've been at the time of the game's story (1998) the single deadliest instance of domestic terrorism the whole country had ever seen. After getting bankrupted by a failed mayoral election campaign -- which included Love conspiring with the Leones to pit the other gangs against each other to aid his propaganda pushes and property value manipulation schemes -- he enlists Toni to rig several high-power bombs beneath specific spots in underground tunnels beneath Fort Staunton, which blows the whole area to smithereens which kills hundreds or thousands of innocents instantly.
He devises this plan using re-development plans created by his mentor, Avery Carrington (introduced in vice city), which he acquires by murdering a fleeing Avery (although he comments that Avery would've done the same to him had the financial incentive presented itself and would've been proud of his successful assassination and usurping). This makes him even more wealthy than he was prior. Oh, and he is revealed in LCS to stage *morgue parties* where he's heavily implied to engage in necrophilia in addition to the indiscriminate cannibalism. Despite being one of the most abhorrent characters ever introduced, he ultimately ends up escaping all consequences (at least immediate) by disappearing/escaping capture/assassination during the events of GTA 3.
Such a fascinating, insane character.
2000s rockstar was fucked in the head lol
@@airboruto23 *Reality is fucked in the head.
The happiness I'd achieve if they made manhunt 3 or just remastered the first would be monumental.
Think they’ll do a remaster
💯
@@mustbemeech Honestly no. It was a big deal within the devs themselves so it'd be a long shot. And I don't see them allowing anyone else to do it.
I've been talking about manhunt 3 with a few friends and most agree that with the advanced graphics and society being so sensitive now, cancel culture would jump all over it and it'll never happen. I hope they're wrong and Rockstar has some guts like they did 20 years ago but tbh, I feel like they're no longer the edgy company that they used to be, the money they made from GTA 5 and online made them just another large, soulless AAA gaming company that only cares about getting rich. In GTA 5, they had transgender NPCs when it first came out but woke culture started crying and instead of telling them to get thicker skin, R* actually removed them from the game smh. GTA: The definitive edition did the same garbage, in vice city they changed Phil's confederate flag shirt and removed some of the dialogue involving the Haitians too because of course, people are offended by everything. By the looks of it, Rockstar has turned into a bunch of woke sell outs... 🤦😢
@@Blunt_Man Gta Online ruined them. They used to make a wide range of amazing games. Bully, The Warriors, Manhunt, all left to rot. I grew up on Rockstar but its just not the same.
Fun fact: one of the Smilyez members, Fug, is voiced by actor Glenn Fleshler who played Errol Childress/The Yellow King in True Detective Season 1. The actor also portrayed the bootlegger, George Remus, in Boardwalk Empire.
Fug speaks in third person about himself, and so does George Remus.
@@thejackedbaker9823 people talking about themselves really winds phutureproof up
Also one of the Bloodhounds in 2 is voiced by Tom Wopat the original Luke Duke in Dukes of Hazzard
I'm pretty sure there's a joke from Trevor about Cash being an associate of his.
Also, Carcer is based on Chicago. Quite heavily. I asked a friend who worked on the games about it a while back.
I thought was more so Detroit since it was city in the rust belt
What was his job during developement?
Pretty sure Carcer city just takes reference to the rustbelt in general, not just Detroit and Chicago both being part of the rust belt, but pieces from all over the belt to create this decaying once flourishing city which is what the rust belt now represents. A place that used to be booming in the steel and automotive production industry before being abandoned and left to rust.
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In regards to Manhunt & Bully links, instead of Cash and Jimmy being related, I've always wondered about the potential of *Leo Kasper & Gary* being related:
* Similar head shape
* Similar facial features
* Both have sociopathic tendencies
* Both manipulate and get in the head of the main character and others to do their bidding
There's a chance Leo is an old relative to Gary.
Perhaps, but I don't believe Gary would be short of one psychosis breakdown from becoming Leo Kasper since all we know, Leo was dead way before Bully and Manhunt 2, as a government hitman and all.
I’m thinking the whole JEC and Sons was just an Easter egg, since the level Assassination and all of the Leo levels were in 2001, two years before Manhunt and 5 years before the main story of 2. Alternatively though, if we find out that James Earl Cash is actually JEC Jr., his dad or maybe even grandfather could be the JEC that owns the construction company.
As for the Jimmy Hopkins theory, it’s worth noting that regardless of timing of the school days in theories, Cash was already wanted in San Andreas in 1992.
I honestly dont believe the "Cash and Hopkins are the same" theory although they could be father and son since Hopkins looks like a cross between Cash and Jimmy's mother.
Just because Manhunt was released in 2003 doesn't mean it takes place in 2003. Same with Bully, it's completely unknown when it takes place. For Bully they purposefully didn't make it take place in a certain year because they wanted players to be able to connect it to when they were in school, essentially an attempt to make it timeless.
the cerberus may occasionally joke about a james earl cash tour 2003
The discarded menu blow my mind, surely one of the best manhunt icerbergs ever made
There was always something about this game and franchise I truly liked, granted its pretty out there with its horror but it always stuck with me and genuinely terrified me. Thank you for making me love Manhunt even more!
The ambience in this game is still unmatched.
I can't believe I never noticed that Antonio Nappa from "Oz" and Hector from "Breaking Bad" were the same actor! I just replayed "Manhunt" like 2 months ago for the first time in maybe 15 years and I completely missed that little detail. Oz is one of my all-time favorite shows ever made right along with Breaking Bad then Manhunt is one of my all-time favorite video games ever made too so I love that little detail! Hearing the tramp's voice after knowing, it's obvious that it's the same guy and that small detail just makes the game that much more amazing!
Great video, thanks for making it!
i remember buying it off the controversy ALONE
it was the best thing that could’ve happened to this game. i remember kids at school bought it opening day because lots of us were concerned they’d pull it off shelves because of all the hysteria
And with the project miltia being called Hades, Hades is the Greek god of the underworld (hell) and Cerberus is the 3 headed dog that protects the underworld in Greek mythology
Also Cerberus are also most likely a reference to Hunk from Resident Evil and are named after the Kerberos Panzer Cops
The use of TV-MK in the final version of Manhunt 2 makes me wonder if it was originally supposed to play a much larger role in the story. Especially with how early on Lamb was supposed to be a religious fanatic presumably hallucinating both the Voice of God and Frisbee. (Plus in the final game Danny mentions how he used to watch TV-MK all the time as a kid.)
It's possible that Frisbee and "The Voice of God" in the early build could have been the result of TV-MK's influence on Lamb. Ditto for the extreme depravity and violence of the hunters. (Sort of like the broadcast tower from Outlast 2.) Maybe the Project was going to use that to create and activate the sleeper personalities instead of the Pickman Bridge.
This also brings up the possibility that the Red Kings, Project Militia, Watchdogs, Pervs, and Bloodhounds were all be failed experiments dumped back onto the streets or reassigned as bodyguards like the beta Legion. (Would also explain why the Legion, Militia, and Red Kings wore full masks in the beta, they were either left mutilated or had to conceal themselves while the separate personality was in control.)
Lastly, in the final game it's insinuated that the Bridge didn't take effect until Danny was exposed to a broadcast at Pickman's lab. Maybe the same was for the hunters as well? (The brainwashing broadcast in the final game flashes images of a couple being intimate, American flags, and phrases like "trust the Project" interspersed with violence. Cue the Pervs and Red Kings who are extremely depraved and obsessed with sex on top of being violent sadists, the Bloodhounds who are raging jingoistic bigots who constantly accuse Daniel of being an "American traitor", and the Project Militia and Watchdogs who place protecting the Project over their own self-preservation.)
As speculation as to how this could have existed as early as the Frisbee Build, in the scene select Domestic Disturbance is still listed as the 3rd level, and a beta Militia gas mask is used as the background image for the Display option in the main menu. (Adding further to this during the early build menu transition the name "Frisbee and Freaks can be seen briefly flashing on the screen. While in the final game one of the shows that airs on TV-MK is called "Frankie and Freaks." Also one of the images shows what looks like Daniel's arm gripping onto Frisbee in a toolshed with a camera connected to some string presumably filming him.)
The only thing that doesn't slot neatly into this is Leo since we can assume at that point he was still a separate character. Especially since he performs the same role that Frisbee and The Voice had in earlier stages of development. (Egging on Daniel to commit increasingly gruesome acts)
From what I can tell, Leo’s role at this point was to be a (real) ex gov/project agent who goes rogue after being disillusioned with their practices and genuinely tries to help Danny, at least at first. He was meant to be a more morally grey character at this point I believe.
I also believe your point about TV-MK (originally called MK-TV) is accurate, because in the final PS2 and PSP versions of the tv station level Leo actually does mention that project used the station to shoot coded messages into all their agents heads and give them orders that way, these lines don’t exist in the other versions and it’s just glossed over very quickly anyway which seems odd. There’s a lot of concept art from developers focusing on the station and the show’s related to it that, I’m sure it played a much bigger role in the earlier drafts of the story and went in hand with the hunters employed by the project.
I believe the "JEC and Sons" billboards in MH2 are just simple easter eggs/callbacks to the first game, so it's definitely possible that Cash is Jimmy's father.
Also Manhunt 2 takes place in 2012, with the flashback scenes taking place in 2006.
Here two things t2 will do with the manhunt franchise:
1. Just sit on it and do nothing with it.
2. Make a reboot or 3rd manhunt game, but wind up less violent than its predecessor to avoid further controversies.
Honestly, manhunt is no longer possible since itll either get flak from the fanbase or by the normies
As a huge manhunt fan this is all I've needed and I'm glad there are people still talking about the game in 2023
I still play it, got manhunt 2 on my phone
With the lost menu there’s a lot of cameras and a brief scene with text saying “Frisbee and the Freaks” possibly a TV show could be connected with MH1’s credits
The Pickman Bridge is MK-Ultra, also most abuse victims have split personalities. I think everything in the game is based on real stuff.
Most abuse victims DO NOT have "split personalities". Source : Behavioural psychologist for nearly 30 years.
@@thelastmotel Project MK-Ultra is trauma based mind control that usually induces multiple personalities in the subject.
I absolutely LOVE the manhunt series. I love your manhunt vids, man!
I knew about the previous ideas of Danny being an extremist religious but I´ve never heard or seen nothing related to a puppet to which is insanely fascinating, I recall watching some videos (in spanish) about thar version of the game but they never talked about puppets and some else to add is the fact that they cancellled that version when they acquire the studio (because, yeah, is was a whole different studio separate from Rockstar or at least they have a lot more control over the game until Rockstar stepped in, or that´s what the video said to which they were talking about the development nightmare that was Manhunt 2), so I believe the story would be unfolded like what we can see in Hotline Miami 2 in which there is a character that kinda resemblance the latter in the fact that both share the puppet thing that makes them do stuff like killing random people, the difference being the fact that one do it for clout and the other for religious puposes, check the story of officer Manny Pardo who after seen the previous massacred with people wearing animal mask, he decides to start doing it for clout as they sees them as they were doing it just for fame and he apperantly was a failed ventriloquist and the puppet talks about getting into fame by doing the same things as those people but "better" (Obviously more and more gruesome as the case doesnt get the recognition he wants); I know is really different than what they have planned for Danny in the OG version but still you can see were or even how they could have pulled off.
I have always had the head cannon that Danny and Crazy Ron in GTA V are the same person. He looks like an older Danny and is as insane as Danny was In Manhunt 2
LOL that was one long ass sentence. You gotta learn to use periods.
I always thought that J.E. Cash was an independent cold-bloodied professional hired killer. Possibly demobbed from military service due to nearly beating to death a commanding officer. To him murder is almost mathematical , it would explain his instinctual knowledge for all kinds of weaponry. He grew up in a violent house hold , a sullen character who would speak seldomnly in a trailer park somewhere just on the outskirts of Las Vanturas. Similar to the protagonist of GTA3 he did a lot of hits for various factions. He was double-crossed by one highrollee who held a lot of clout and could pull the strings. Possibly one Donald Love ( who could also be Mr.Nasty ) who has already demonstrated his degenerate desires which include Recreational cannibalism.
I thought along the same lines. Possible some military involvement, and dishonourably discharged due to a possible manslaughter from an altercation with a fellow soldier.
I wonder was this actually meant for Cash, but abbreviated in a sense to Vic Vance later?
Cash definitely worked as a gun-for-hire for a crime syndicate in Las Venturas though, the Mafia possibly?
Awesome work and video overall, thank you so much for keeping this passion project alive & nourished.
You edits and explanation skills have really improved, you deserve one million subs
YES! I’VE ALWAYS WANTED TO SEE ONE OF THESE! I’ll put it in my watch later when I get some food 😂
Dm me I have a prize for you 🎉.
The original story with the puppet influencing Danny to kill sounds amazing. Manhunt 2 seems like it could have been amazing but so much was cut and rearrange it felt like a mess
I was on the MH2 team and personally really loved the puppet idea. It could have worked out as something absolutely unique like no other game at the time . My personal version of it woud have turned out to be a velintroquist/split personality story.
@@juliankenningno you weren't
@nomenclature7662 I looked this guy up and I found a LinkedIn and an old entry from 2007 of someone giving credits to a studio from Vienna. Everyone who was in it were not properly given credit for the second manhunt. This guy was one of them
@@nomenclature7662 Lol da fuk
@@nomenclature7662Except he very well might have. I found his Linked In with the same name, profile pic, and 16 years of experience in Video Games which is the same 16 years ago that his TH-cam was created. Google Manhunt Developer Roster Julian Kenning (the TH-cam Profile Name). Sometimes, people involved in things turn up in the Comments...
Great content! This video was well put together, and actually enlightened me on some topics about manhunt that I didn’t know. Keep it up!
Been on a massive iceberg binge lately. Seeing this in my feed got me real revved up. Woo
i can't get enough of sourcebrew's amazing content man. keep it up
Brian Cox being starkweather is a direct reference to him playing Hannibal Lector in the the movie Manhunter (based on the book, red dragon which was later rebooted as its own film of the same title)
Would love to see you tackle the POSTAL franchise and maybe even hatred too
I love both Postal and Hatred ngl. shame Hatred got hated for it's subject matter. it's literally a game that takes place in a fictional setting with no one actually getting hurt. it's just NPC's that are being killed. not real people.
@@SethirophBayonet666 couldn't agree more
@@SethirophBayonet666 Hatred is just edginess for the sake of edginess. The guy is like every mid-2010 teenager's OC ever
@@lambda-m1676 it’s just a game. Nobody is actually being hurt. People who actually took it very seriously reminds me of how people took other games seriously due to the material that they had. Like for example. Mortal Kombat with the gore. And GTA with its violent content. Hell, even SomeOrdinaryGamers was talking about how Hatred is just a game and people cannot take it too seriously.
@@SethirophBayonet666 I know, but the edginess is just....eugh, mid-2000s
Jesus, 1 hour of Manhunt content !
Dm me I have a prize for you 🎉.
Stuff that wasn't covered: The guy who voices Starkweather was the original Hannibal Lecter in the film "Manhunter". One of the Smileyz was voice by Glenn Fleshler, who was in True Detective. The Cerberus unit are a nod to Kerberos Panzer Cop, a manga by Ghost in the Shell director Mamoru Ooshi which has had a few film adaptations over the years. "Mr Nasty" is a name which isn't allowed to be used on R* Social Club and has been the case since it started during Max Payne 3's initial release (it's not taken, it's literally not allowed). The Manhunt game was found in the victim's house and not the killer's house, evidenced by the legal proceedings involved around the story. There's also some links between The Tramp and some cut content in GTA3 concerning a mission involving uhhh... an ice ream truck and a kill streak or smth? I forget off the top of my head.
Also, a reminder: anyone using an Innocentz mask in GTAV should be griefed for being a MAP.
The tramp you're referring to in GTA 3 was Darkel, and he wasn't the same tramp as the one in Manhunt. Rockstar has made some statements about the character and basically, he was originally the character that gave the rampage missions, but some of the missions he gave actually made it to the final game. The ice cream truck thing in particular is a mission in the final game- "I Scream, You Scream", and it's given by El Burro in one of the payphone missions, but it's different from the beta version that Darkel gave because El Burro's version has you using an ice cream truck to lure gangsters to it and then blowing it up, whereas Darkel's version had you luring random pedestrians to it to blow them up.
Oh thanks! I just ran out of iceberg to watch and you just upload this vid!! Thanks Source!!
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I’ve been waiting for this once since you mentioned it in one of your other videos!
W video, never thought someone would do an iceberg about manhunt. Hope we can get more obscure ones like max payne and midnight club icebergs from you.
Awesome video dude! I'm playing through Manhunt on ps4 right now and I forgot how much I missed playing it all these years. I bought it the day it originally came out and it still blows my mind how amazing it really is. I wish people didn't complain about everything because a remastered version of both games or a reboot even would be the best thing ever if it was released now adays. I'm sure that will never happen.
Glad to see this underrated and overlooked game is getting some well deserved attention
Loved your cut content video, this was an excellent video as well. Good job
Fun fact: The voice actor of the Strange Man in RDR1, also voices one of the Watchdogs in Manhunt 2.
54:16 I worked at a comic shop in high school and somehow we were sent that press kit. My boss gave it to me because he knew how much I loved the first game. We still have no idea why we as a comic shop we’re sent it
I mailed it to Frank Cifaldi last year.
6:06 i’m 87% sure that this is referring to a house you can find in new coventry where if you go to the back and stand around you can hear pig noises and chainsaws people say it’s pigsys hideout or something like that.
87% lol
You weren’t kidding about your comment being stolen
@@Harry_Ballzonya what makes it even worse is, we have two people using an odd percentage to describe this. Think to yourself, most people are going to say "I'm 99% sure" to describe a I do think this happened, but just in case situation. 🤔🤔
Man i would like to see a video like this made on "The Suffering" series of games
I dont know if this was covered in the video, but here's a fun fact:
On PS2 and Xbox, if you connect a microphone you can actually lure out hunters using your voice
If Rockstar had balls they'd make Manhunt 3 and just "leak" an uncensored patch.
They won't. They never will either.
@@ImplodingSubmarineJust look at the American government and the murderers they made 🤷 you don't need some stupid fucking videogame. Go research
You deserve more subs my man, keep it up💯
This is a good video my boy def one of my fav series
"Danny listen, it's a manhunt".
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Tramp is a former leader of Smileys according to the concept art. He was supposed to be a later boss fight in the game but was cut. Hence the star casting for the role
Another god tier iceberg coverage 🔥🔥
So, making this comment during the "Jimmy Hopkins is James Earl Cash" bit.
Something that a lot of people don't seem to understand, or at the very least, they don't articulate the concept very well, is that there are three distinct GTA continuities. Those being:
1. The 2D Universe, comprised of Grand Theft Auto, London 1969, London 1961, and Grand Theft Auto 2.
2. The 3D Universe, comprised of Grand Theft Auto III, Vice City, Advance, San Andreas, Liberty City Stories, and Vice City Stories.
And 3. The HD Universe, comprised of Grand Theft Auto IV, The Lost and Damned, The Ballad of Gay Tony, Chinatown Wars, Grand Theft Auto V, Grand Theft Online, and the upcoming Grand Theft Auto VI (presumably)
The issue I see a lot of people run into is the failure to clearly understand what this means, so I'll put it here plainly: All three universes are separate from one another. GTA1, 2 and London all exist in the same world and don't interconnect to GTAIII, VC, SA, etc. Nor do any of the 3D games connect to the HD games. They are all separate continuities. And if Rockstar really wanted to, they could go back and make a new game set in one of the two older universes, without changing or affecting the other two. Characters may appear between universes, such as Donald Love, Lazlow Jones and El Burro, the lattermost appearing in all three universes as different characters.
And the reason people get confused is due in part to Rockstar being somewhat evasive with their information.
However in spite of this, it has been confirmed that both Manhunt games, as well as Bully take place in the 3D universe. With Manhunt interpreted as having taken place anywhere from a couple years to mere months before the events of GTAIII, and Bully being believed to take place around 2006-2007, long after Cash's rampage in Carcer City. And while this is complete speculation on dates, it's by no means unreasonable to come to such a conclusion with what information we *do* have.
@@carlgibson285Catalina appeared in GTA 5?
YESS!!! Something to watch tonight, I love manhunt and also very proud of it as it's from edinburgh
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First video, *sees its about Manhunt* subbed.
Vídeo mais completo de iceberg de Manhunt que eu já vi!
Brian Cox was also the original Hannibal Lecter in the movie Manhunter in 1986.
Manhuner
Amazing video extremely well done. Kudos to you
been playing Manhunt since 2003, sir your work is admirable
Why is this game so addictive and interesting? Its not even the violence itself that makes it appealing to me. Its the dark gritty atmosphere of carcer city. These old games like this and silent hill had a really unique way of presenting atmosphere. Desaturated color scheme, along with the dark synth soundtrack that was brilliant. The story isnt thorough on who Cash is or whats going on the background behind everything in this game but the NPCs give off little tid bits that allow you to infer about who he is and the whole story is just a hellish mess, and Cash is the devil among demons. Theyre hunting you, but the reality is you're hunting them. You're the real terror but you still feel like when that music kicks in you're in fear, and when the music cuts off omniously and all you hear is that heartbeat and just gives you this slight sinking feeling. Its just so good.
1:05:58 menu's atmosphere is pure art.
Thank you for this. I love Manhunt so much, it’s so nostalgic for me. The game itself, and I feel like the themes really have parallels to my own experience
I hate being on death row and then forced into a snuff film situation, such a pain in my schedule
What themes exactly?
@@robink.9966I think it’s like, growing up in the Midwest. Industrial areas. Kinda just some of my tendencies to just hang around. Parallel cause it’s like, yeah I’m not huge into the snuff idea or like, being some violent criminal
But a big one is just my sort of aesthetic preferences as well, locations and general aura of uncanny surrealism
I love the setting and music of the first one. Sometimes I'm just hanging out at specific spots and enjoy those vibes...
Really good video! Not a hardcore manhunt fan but this was extremely interesting.
Necro what? Necromancer? Holy shit, that is scary.
necro ph@lia like f**king dead bodys
Necrophilia
He meant Necroph*lia.(Seggs with corpses or Graping corpses)
Respectfully! For the last time! The story of the Manhunt real-life killing is reported wrong. Manhunt was found in the VICTIM'S bedroom! And yes, the killing might have been drug-related. Supposedly, the two teens even knew each other. For some reason when the story was reported Manhunt was used as a scapegoat for the other teen who did the murder which honestly made no sense being that he didn't even own a copy of Manhunt.
This was just around the time when certain folks wanted Manhunt to be banned along with other games period. Anything that can be used against was indeed used. Such as false information.
Great video though! Learn some new things for sure though! 💫💫💫💫💫
Amazing video. You really helped me understand manhunt's lore better especially 2
This is amazing thank you for filling that manhunt mystery itch. I havent even played the game but just something about this world man. Its so intresting
Anyone else expect the Peter Griffin "eeh, he said it" meme at 0:07
I think the reason why there's such a controversy against violent games, but not violent movies is because you're doing the actions, although it isn't real, your still engaging in it. I can see why some people think this way.
By the way, I don't really believe in the "VIDEO GAMES CAUSE VIOLENCE AHHH" It likely doesn't.
It without a doubt doesn't, there's been multiple studies on the topic and none of them found a direct correlation between violent video games and real life violence. Iirc, violent games were actually shown to reduce stress in a lot of normal people and those who are predispositioned to act violently had that in them reguardless of any films, shows and games they saw or played. Someone who's violent irl might enjoy violent media more but it didn't make the person violent, they had that inside them from the start. Like with most things, there's a lot of different traits that are used to identify potentially dangerous people, plenty of normal people could share a few of those traits like enjoying violent media but that doesn't mean anything by itself.
@Adam Lanza Forever Lmfao I can't even imagine the number of different watch lists your on because of that name... 👀
@Adam Lanza Forever How do you know that?
@Adam Lanza Forever Gotcha
@@Blunt_Man "Multiple studies". By who? When? How? Proof?
Glad you made a manhunt iceberg video as the only other good one I've seen has pretty much been gone
thanks sourcebrew, very cool
Chris McKinney who voiced Jim Fitzgerald In The Lost and Damned also Voiced Ramirez In Manhunt
One thing that wasn't mentioned - in the very first level of Manhunt 1, just before you execute the first Hunter, there is a Valiant Video Enterprises van you can spot. If I remember correctly this is the only in-game reference to Valiant Video Enterprises.
lol you gonna wear that mask for the rest of your life?
@@mkultra2456 I have no clue what you're referring to but let me wager a guess. American, COVID-induced hysteria. Something along those lines? Sorry to say my profile picture is an anime cyborg woman called Kiwi from a series called Cyberpunk: Edgerunners. Nothing to do with COVID.
@@YB_. LOL so you do have a clue. Don't be sorry, just be honest: what year did you choose that profile picture? Was it before or after 2019?
@@mkultra2456 Cyberpunk: Edgerunners came out in 2022.
So, you were in my recommended videos and I think I like what I've seen.
glad you did this one my friend, I played abit of the first one on my Xbox one X since it's Backwards now. man that game is 20 this year
Rockstar needs to get their balls back and make Manhunt 3
Their whole new stuff exists of housewives, hipsters, and out of touch non gamers, so sadly no balls and no manhunt..
Need to drive the Jew money out of their studios first.
Red Dead Redemption 2 had some scary and brutal stuff imagine if rockstar made MANHUNT 3 with mr nasty “know it won’t happen tho”
17:44 that bonk was amazing
15:50 I believe the copy of the game was found in the victims possession 🤷♂️
So many people also saying Trevor is the most psychotic rockstar character
They never heard of Leo Kasper
Man that's the best Eisberg about Manhunt realy good facts that even i as a Veteranen Player didn't knew